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>> Walker Wildmon: We inform religious freedom is about people of faith being able to live out their faith, live out their convictions, no matter where they are.

>> Rick Green: We equip sacred honor is the courage to speak truth, to live out your free speech.

>> Walker Wildmon: We also rejoice in our sufferings because we know that suffering produces perseverance, perseverance, character and character.

>> Jeff Chamblee: This is at the core on American Family Radio.

>> Rick Green: Welcome to At the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green.

Rick Green talks with Walker Wildman about the White House Easter celebration

I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution coach with Walker Wildmon. Today, one of our rare opportunities to both be in studio at the same time. So I'm sure the Earth will be off of its axis, at least for the next 55 minutes or so. Walker, good to see you, brother.

>> Walker Wildmon: Hey, Rick, Good to be back with you. It's been a while, but I'm glad we're both in the, in the car today. Driving down the road, man, we got.

>> Rick Green: A lot to celebrate. I feel like there's just so many good things happening. I know we got some challenges, too. Weird Supreme Court decision on the deportations and some other things. But, man, what an amazing week. I just got back from Boston, I guess late yesterday and had an incredible time with the 250th of Paul Revere's ride shot heard around the world. We did an Easter service at the monument to the forefathers. It was just a great weekend. And then, of course, man, the gospel message at the highest levels being just shouted from the rooftops and proclaimed. I mean, this is. Brother. It's a little surreal. I'm kind of pinching myself over here going, what a difference a year makes.

>> Walker Wildmon: I know. Yeah. A year ago, the White House was celebrating on Easter, a, transgender day of visibility. And now this year, this Easter, the president is talking about Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, from. From the pulpit or from the. From the podium and.

>> Rick Green: And going into detail, right. I mean, talking about death, burial, resurrection, Son of God. Yes. Our sin on the cross. I mean, yes. I was. I was reading through the proclamation, I guess, Tuesday of last week, and then. Then watching some of the videos from Wednesday night, Thursday, Friday. I mean, it just. It just kept building. And I was going. I really do feel like I've, you know, I'm in Star Trek. I've landed on another planet that. That mirrors our planet. And, and we are, you know, beam me up, Scotty. No, don't beat me up, Scotty. I like this. I like this version of America. This is. I was trying to think of the last president to be this just blatant. And I mean, as much as I love Reagan and named the kid after him and all that, I mean, he. You know, he wasn't apologetic, but he wasn't this bold. I mean, I think he got to go back to Truman. Maybe. Maybe. I mean, FDR had some pretty amazing prayers that. But. But nothing like this. This is just really cool. Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: I mean, the gospel was clearly, accurately, biblically presented on multiple occasions through the office of the President and through his personal, messaging, you know, on his ex. Account and otherwise. So, yeah, this was the first time, at least in modern history where we've seen this level of boldness and truth coming from the White House. And I don't know if you've seen Rick, the partnership with the White House in Hilldale. Hillsdale College.

>> Rick Green: Well, go ahead.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. This is in response to the 250th birthday of our country heading into, let's say next year. And, it's American history. It's true American history. It's the stuff you guys talk about on Wall Builders and otherwise. And the White House is partnering, with Hillsdale to bring forth basically, this true American history lesson.

>> Rick Green: No, in fact, we met with them with the White House last week. I take that back. Week before last about that very thing. And, Same thing, man. They're going to. They're going to use Patriot Academy stuff. They're, you know, looking to. I'm rolling out a, what we're calling a blueprint for rebuilding liberty just in time for America's 250th, so that, you know, the next 438 days, we make the most of it. Not just, you know, I think Walker, the challenge. We have to make sure we don't just look forward to some hot dogs and fireworks and a big celebration next July.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Rick Green: But that we. To every day between now and then, we take advantage of the focus. And that's what. What I was thrilled to hear from the White House was they want to do the same thing and that they want to. They're looking for every opportunity where there's a celebration of a particular date. So, like, you know, just last weekend, the 250, the Lexington, and there was a great proclamation from the White House on that to, you know, Bunker Hill will be in June. I mean, there's stuff happening all year long. You guys are doing a really cool tour in the fall, with. With Tim Barton and your dad and your family and a lot of our, radio listeners. I mean, those Kind of opportunities. Walker. I just think we've got a real window here where there's this inflection point in time where so many people are going to be focused on this. You and I could talk about this on radio all day long for years before, but right now, people are listening in a way that they've never. I don't think we'll have this chance, you know, maybe again in our lifetime.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, Yeah. I mean, patriotism, and nationalism has tried to be demonized.

Rick Perry says patriotism is becoming cool again after years of demonization

They've tried to demonize it.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: Over the last few years and make it like a dirty word. But really, when you look at the original meaning of nationalism and patriotism, they're very virtuous things, and they go hand in hand, and they're good. I mean, our founding fathers were patriots. They cared about our country. They cared about future generations. They cared about liberty and freedom and what had to be done to preserve them. And those things, we got to make them cool again. And that's what's happening now, is patriotism is becoming cool again. And that's the only way we're going to preserve this great nation is by people not being afraid of being called a patriot or a nationalist.

>> Rick Green: Yeah, exactly. You know, William Wilberforce, even in getting rid of slavery, he said God had called him to two great things. To end slavery and the slave trade and, a restoration of morals, of values, of making the way he put it. He said, we have to make being good fashionable again. And so I would say the same thing here. We have to make patriotism fashionable again. Benjamin Rush talked about, you know, you've got to teach children to love God, love their country, and love their family. And even listing country before family, because he said if you don't. If you don't teach patriotism, what he called a more patriotism, love of country. If you don't teach that, you'll lose your family, too, because you'll end up in tyranny and not have the freedom to raise your family as you choose. So, yeah, I think you're right, man. I think, And you said it right. They try to demonize it. They try to make it like, if you love the country and you wave the flag, somehow that was evil. And. And I was just thrilled this last weekend. I mean, every step of the way in this 250th, whether it was, you know, Friday night at the Paul Revere ride at the pastor's house, Jonas Clark, that's where, Paul Revere was going, because the pastors, you know, the church was the epicenter of the community, and Sam Adams and John Hancock are staying at the pastor's house. but even, you know, the speeches and the reenactments they did that night, every time they mentioned the Lord or they mentioned patriotism or they mentioned these things we love, I mean, the crowd went nuts. And then the next day, same thing after the. After the battle at Lexington and shot heard around the world and, you know, eight dead on the field. And, they. They then reenacted the Gathering of Joan, where Jonas Clark and Captain Parker bring the Minutemen back a few hours later and get them together to go march. And you end up with Parker's revenge over closer, to Concord. But the speech that they did in the reenactment, which this really. I'm in Massachusetts at this point, Walker. This is not Texas. It's not Mississippi. we're in Massachusetts. The speech that they had Jonas Clark give, I mean, he's invoking the Lord, he's quoting scripture, he's talking about the righteous cause, he's talking about the evils of tyranny and how it's anti biblical. And people are cheering. I mean, there was, I don't know, 100, 200,000 people at this thing. It was massive. And, I just. It just really. And flags, man. There were American flags everywhere. Kids waving flags, big flags on properties. And, it was. You can feel it. You can feel there's something special happening right now.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, Yeah, I agree completely. And, you know, we've been. The movement, the evangelical Christian movement has been really hammering home this need to train up future generations. And we've been doing this for some time now. And we've also been highlighting the cultural and moral decline that our nation has been experiencing in recent decades. And I really think, Rick, we've hit an inflection point where. And you can see this in some of the polling, some of the surveying, but, people are realizing, even unbelievers, they're realizing that the way we've been trending as a nation is just not working.

>> Rick Green: The pain.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, the pain. We've been through the record levels of depression and anxiety amongst young people. You've got, these skyrocketing rates of young people identifying as transgender. Now, we know that this is. This is a lot of. This is cultural trends.

>> Rick Green: Right?

>> Walker Wildmon: but. But clearly. And then Biden comes in and just throws gasoline on the fire. And I think a lot of people are looking around going, hey, maybe these guys are right. Maybe these Christians are right. After all, if we want to have any semblance of a civil society with liberty and prosperity, where free speech exists. In the future, then we probably need to do what these folks have been recommending, and that is restore our foundational principles of our nation.

>> Rick Green: It's man, it's the old cycle of nations, right? Tough times make tough men. Tough men make good times, Good times make soft men. Soft men lead to, tough times and the pain that people have been feeling and the anxiety, the, you know, you think about it, wealthiest, society in history and yet more people on psychotropic drugs and dealing with these things than ever. And you know, we just got soft. We had so much handed to us and we gave up truth. And when you give up truth. I was just doing an interview with, Father Frank Pavone and he said something like, how do you put it? He said, basically, where there is no truth, there is no meaning. And I thought, you know, that that makes sense. That's why people are so anxious and uneasy and depressed and all that. If there's no truth, what, you know, what, what am I living for? What am I dedicating myself to? What am I, you know, what's worth fighting for it? It really undermined the whole moral relativism thing in the last 60 years. Undermined everything about the American value system and, and, and a great, you know, free society. You can't self govern if you don't have truth. And so I, I think you nailed it. They, people experienced the pain just a little bit. We were just starting to enter the tough times and we didn't get anywhere close to what it could have been, right? And that pain shook them out of their slumber and enough of them woke up.

Rick Green: This is a generational fight for conservatism in America

Now we obviously have a ton of people still asleep at the will, and don't realize what's going on. But enough have awakened. And you don't need everybody, right? We just need that small, tireless few that's willing to fight and push and do the things that it takes to win elections and donate to the right causes. I mean, man Walker, I'm even hearing people. This one we've complained about before, but these wealthy people that are conservatives and Christians and they've been giving their money to these left wing universities and leaving it in their wills, donating building buildings at these places that are undermining everything we're about and everything that that person actually cares about. And we're starting to hear more and more of them wake up and say no and that they don't they're defunding, and I've said this for years, defund the left by defunding the universities. And these people are waking up to that. And I think Trump's helping with that, obviously with his, you know, trying to defund the government money for Harvard and some of these other things that have happened. But it just seems like everywhere we turn, man, there's, there's a wake up.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. I think we have to, we have to keep the pressure on. And I think, Rick, honestly, I think we need, we probably need 8 to 12 years minimum of, of, of power in Washington.

>> Rick Green: Yeah. Now the generational thing.

>> Walker Wildmon: That's right. The states are a whole nother ball game. We've got to continue to, to take over states. and we've been trending, States have been trending conservative for the past 10 years. You look at the governorships and some of the state House and Senate breakdowns, we've been trending conservative across the country. We've had, states like New Hampshire that you wouldn't think is conservative. They've actually been, they've had the Republican trifecta for a couple cycles now. And we just took back a couple other, state houses that were, that were blue for a long time. But the reason I say that is because, Rick, this is, as you know, this is, as you just said, this is a generational fight. And we can't expect in four years to turn this ship around. I mean, we've got to retain control not just of the White House, but of Congress and Senate and House and begin it. We also got to begin, replacing some of these judges that are just ruling completely unconstitutionally.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: So there's just a lot of work to do. And so I'm encouraged, Rick, but I can't end with just, I'm encouraged. I want to just remind our audience that diligence, we have to remain diligent if we want to see a long term change, stick in this country.

>> Rick Green: You nailed it. You nailed it. And the one that keeps, I keep thinking about is when Elisha told, I always mess up his name, Joash or Jehoash or whichever king it was when he shot the arrow out the window and then he grabbed the other, had told him, grab the other arrows and bang them on the ground. He only did it three times. Elisha got mad and said, you should have done it five or six times. And, and I keep thinking, okay, so the shot of the arrow through the air, that's, that's Trump. That's the air cover that we're getting, we have this big victory and air cover from the feds, we're getting the boot of government off our necks from these weaponized agencies, yada, yada, yada. But the slamming those arrows on the ground, that's us locally, we've got to do that. And like you just said, not in a lackadaisical, let's just kind of hope this happens. This is our chance to truly take ground back. But we have to be aggressive. We have to go all in. We have to make the most of this incredible opportunity. There's a window here, but we got to shove the window open and dive through. Carpe diem. Sees the day moment for us.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, that's right. And another positive trend, Rick, is this, this fleeing from public education and public universities, Ah, towards more private or our home environment education. that's going to, that's going to cause the indoctrination to really take, a hit. So, yeah, that's how you see some generational impact.

>> Rick Green: That's the long term thing, right. The old thing they used to attribute to Lincoln philosophy. The schoolroom in one generation will be the philosophy of government of the next. So we got to do it at the education level as well. Rick Green here with Walker Wildmon at the Core.

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Rick Green, America's Constitution coach, talks about upcoming Boston tour

>> Rick Green: Welcome back to at the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution coach, here with Walker Wildmon today. And I did not know that spot was in the queue. Okay. I just want to say, I didn't say I never. Bobby, producer extraordinaire, Bobby does not show me which spots are going to play when we go to break. So I didn't know that we were about to hear your dad talk about going to Boston and everywhere else. I, mean, I tell you, Boston is weird. Right. Massachusetts has gone way left. But the history is so amazing. And there's no substitute for walking in the steps of the Founding Fathers. It's just so cool.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, that's right. We're going to. This is our first time to do this, Rick. And that is the tour of Boston. We're going to hit the. I'm just going to mention a few sites here. There's over a dozen. But we're going to. We're going to walk the entire Freedom Trail. We're going to go over to John Adams Home and State Park. We're going to go to Plymouth Rock. I mean, there's just. So we're going to go to the Mayflower Replica. There's just dozen. Over a dozen sites. We're going to hit all, Early American History.

>> Rick Green: That's so cool.

>> Walker Wildmon: And we're going to get the true history. You know Stephen McDowell.

>> Rick Green: Yes.

>> Walker Wildmon: And, he's going to give us. And Tim Barton's going to be with us as well. But we're going to get the true history. And, you know, Rick, I, know you've got some encouraging stories from some of the more recent trips you've taken, but we do hear from a lot of folks that go on some of these secular, if you will, tours, and they don't get half the stuff, if any, of the true American history, where God is our cornerstone, where God is mentioned by our Founding Fathers and his Providence. So we're bringing a lot of that rich history that sometimes it's hard to get elsewhere.

>> Rick Green: Not only do they not get the truth, man, they get the lies. I mean, they just absolutely distorted. I got an email from a coach a few weeks ago that they did the tour of Independence hall, and the kids are driving away, and all the kids can talk about instead of talk, instead of talking about Jefferson and some of the great things that happened in that room where the Declaration of Constitution so much happened there. They're talking about the bearded lady, they're talking about the tour guide that's in a dress, a guy in a dress with a beard and lipstick. And, you know, it's just that kind of stuff where these national treasures have been twisted into, you know, not only that kind of thing with the. With the, you know, putting the transgender in front of the kids, but also the. Just the lies and the demonization of the founders. You talk about demonizing patriotism, they demonize the founders, and they only talk about bad things. And half the stuff they talk about is not even actually true. So, yeah, to get to do this with Stephen McDowell and the, Wildmon family and Tim Barton. I mean, and the things you're going to do, I mean, everything from when you go do that Freedom Trail and you stand in the spot where the, you know, the Boston Massacre happened, you go over to Old south meeting house where Dr. Joseph Warren gave those incredible speeches that even Ronald Reagan quoted from in his inaugural. I mean, you're talking about being in the place where it happened. And you know, the Hancock Clark house, I mean, Walker, that's like, I mean, that is where I was talking about Paul Revere riding up. That's it. I mean, that's the pastor's house. And you know, and even when you go to the green there, right, just down the hill from Hancock Clark's house or the Hancock Clark house, you know, you can see the Lexington Green where that shot was fired. You can see Buck's Tavern where all these guys hung out and talked and had their meetings. And, you know, you would have laughed, man, at the reenactment Saturday morning, right before the British have already marched up the Sea of Red, comes over the hill. You got this little group of Minutemen and we're about to have the battle and you see Paul Revere and this other guy run into the tavern and grab the chest that is all of John Hancock's private secret papers and he had forgotten about it and he sent Revere back to get it. And so even in the reenactment, they're running out, out of the tavern with his chest and running across the Lexington green. It was actually kind of funny. Look like a Saturday Night Live skit away. But it really did happen. I mean, it was, you know, and actually I bring that up because sometimes people wonder if you're watching online, you see the Tavern over my head here, I do this show called the Tavern and, and people have a misconception of the Tavern. That's not, you know, going and getting drunk and then having a battle. That's not what they were doing. These weren't a bunch of rabble rousers that, as Steven McDowell says, they didn't just go, you know, get, drink a bunch of alcohol and then grab their guns and start firing off. No, man, they use these taverns as places to have their secret meetings to gather. And so I just named my show the Tavern because, you know, the parlor is not as cool.

>> Walker Wildmon: Ah.

>> Rick Green: Because they were in taverns and parlors and churches and having all these meetings. I mean, that's where the Constitution was first ratified In Delaware, in a tavern. Buck's Tavern, of course, that I just mentioned. You got the place where George Washington said goodbye to his troops and had the tearful speech, and we could go on and on and on.

>> Walker Wildmon: Well, when we go to Williamsburg, Virginia, on that tour, we actually eat dinner at a tavern.

>> Rick Green: Oh, I just did that with my kids a couple of months ago. Is it Christina's, the. Yeah, because that's the one that, Washington had, like, 80 visits to that. To that tavern. Of course I wanted to eat everything that Washington ate, but it was. It's so cool because they even have the guy, you know, with the little guitar and. And he's sitting over the corner playing and. Oh, it's just. It's. And you get to eat the food that they ate back then. I love those places. In fact, I really want to build on the Patriot Academy campus. I'd love to build a. A tavern like that. That's a restaurant. And you have, you know, the old, What do they call that?

Rick: I've got a lot of traveling planned this year

Not, Shepherd's, what's. What's the. Oh, I've had it so many times at those taverns. Shepherd something. But it's like a. What we would call a pot pie. You know, as kids, I remember throwing in the pot pie in the oven. But, anyway, lots of cool history, man. And wildmongroup.com. Folks, you got to go check it out. And y'all aren't just doing Boston. Aren't y'all doing, Williamsburg and a few other places?

>> Walker Wildmon: Oh, we're so busy, Rick. You have no idea. We're going. We've got our Williamsburg, Washington, D M. and Jamestown. Yorktown is also in that Williamsburg trip. But we've got Williamsburg, Washington, D.C. we just added Boston. We're also adding Greece next year. So we're going to do the Footsteps of Paul. And then our Israel trip. We've been doing that for nearly 30 years. We're going to go back to Israel in 26. So, yeah, I've got a lot of traveling upcoming. I'm going to be like you, Rick, with those frequent flyer miles.

>> Rick Green: I'm going to have to fill in for you a lot, aren't I?

>> Walker Wildmon: You are, yeah. I'm going to be gone, like, three months out of the year.

Well, uh, we capped off our trip last weekend at Fenway

>> Rick Green: Well, we capped off our trip last weekend. We hadn't planned. Planned it. We were, you know, we did the Monument thing. The Monument was the forefathers. People that go to Plymouth, they always go to Plymouth's Rock. And it's boring. Go up the hill to the. To, the monument to the forefathers. But we did our service there, our Easter service there. My son Reagan preached, a great Easter message. It was awesome. But, but we were getting ready to head back to the airport, and we had, like, four hours. And so, on a whim, I said, I wonder if the Red Sox are in town. I love Fenway. It's my favorite. I've been to 28 of the 30 ballparks, and I'm so glad my boycott of. Of, Major League Baseball is over. And we had all these kids. We took all the. All of our interns, the 15 interns, my kids. We had a whole bunch of people there, and everybody's like, well, let's go. So we actually ended our trip at Fenway. We went to the Red Sox game on the way to the airport. it was fun. We had a good time.

>> Walker Wildmon: That's good.

>> Rick Green: Good stuff, man. Good stuff.

Rick Berman: Democrats are full out in favor of illegal immigrant gang members

Well, let's go back to, some of the news of the day. this, you know, this. This whole. I don't understand the Democrats at this point. I think we're in a Roman situation where they lack understanding. They don't even realize the hole they digging for themselves. The idea that they would champion and their cause now be these gang members, and not just the guy that got sent that. Now this U.S. senator goes over there and is acting like he's being humanitarian or whatever. But, I mean, we're talking. In addition to this guy, you got rapists and murderers and all kinds of people. And apparently he had a domestic abuse complaint from his wife. I mean, these are the people that the Democrats have as heroes. Now you and I are talking about going to John Hancock and John Adams and those kind of people for heroes. The Democrats are literally making their heroes, these illegals. m. And, you know, saying of, Donald Trump that, you know, he's the bad guy for sending them back to their home countries.

>> Walker Wildmon: Well, you know, Rick, they're fulfilling what we've told people that they're in favor of, but instead of doing what they do more, subtle and, you know, not as direct. To your point, these folks, the Democrats are just full out in favor of illegal immigrant gang members.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: And to such a degree that they're basically running a campaign speech to get them back, to bring them back to the States. This is like Babylon Bee article. You, know, Democrats partner with illegal immigrant to bring down Donald Trump, and that's what they're literally doing. And it's so bizarre. But when President Trump says that Democrats hate our country, well, he's not exaggerating. This is not campaign rhetoric, this is fact. And this Democrat senator from Massachusetts going down to, El Salvador on the taxpayer dime, by the way, that's the latest report is that it was paid for by the U.S. senate, by our tax dollars, and wanting to bring, an accused Ms. 13 member, illegal immigrant, by the way, back to the states. Rick, I don't get why. Supposedly there was an order. There was multiple orders that were out there. There were at least two, I think deportation orders on this guy. And then there was also an order barring deportation because of supposed asylum reasons, claiming that he was, he was under persecution in El Salvador, which, I don't know the veracity of those claims. Right, but, but Rick, I don't understand. And Stephen Miller made this point yesterday. I don't understand how January sixers get no due process.

>> Rick Green: Right.

>> Walker Wildmon: They're in the Gulag for four years. And that's not an exaggeration at all. They were there for four plus years.

>> Rick Green: And, some in solitary confinement.

>> Walker Wildmon: Correct. Correct. Without trial, by the way. But here we have this accused ms.13 gang member with his wife submitting a police report affidavit on him being physically abusive and beating her. And he's arrested with other Ms. 13 gang members arrested with bundles of cash and drugs. And he's been in the country illegally for over 10 years and we can't send him back.

>> Rick Green: Unreal.

>> Walker Wildmon: I mean, he's a non citizen. Rick, it's baffling to me that non citizens get more due process than American.

>> Rick Green: Citizens and more airtime and championing and these people coming alongside them m Just unreal. And apparently.

Rick Perry: The Pope recently called for compassion for illegal immigrants

And actually, if I could segue to this, because I meant to ask you about this. The Pope that just passed away had said that we were unchristian for wanting to send these people back, to their home countries. What do you think about this moment, this inflection point we talked about where people are hungry to learn we have this great opportunity. Do you think we're going to get a Pope that will once again champion the Bible and not be pro lgbtq? And a lot of the things that this previous Pope was. The Catholic Church has been a great partner of ours on the pro life issue. When I say the Catholic Church, I really mean, you know, people like Father Frank Pavone and, you know, pro life, Catholics have been great, friends of ours on some of these issues, but they've been very frustrated with their Pope, You know, over these last few years. So have you heard much about that? I mean, I know. I guess it's. The cardinals will pick.

>> Walker Wildmon: The problem is what type of leadership structure they have and whether they will allow any deviation back towards biblical truth. And that's the concern is, is there enough courage there to rein it back in that they've gotten off track? And, I mean, the Pope, unfortunately, the late Pope was. He said some things that were just blatantly unbiblical.

>> Rick Green: That's right.

>> Walker Wildmon: And there's a lot of Catholics that were very upset about it. I've, talked to some that were very unhappy with the direction of the Catholic Church. So we'll see where that goes. But I'll tell you one thing, Rick, on this, you know, this whole call for compassion and whatever for illegal immigrants, the true biblical viewpoint of this is it's actually very unloving and uncompassionate to not have law and order. That's actually unbiblical because government was instituted by God to punish the evildoer and uphold righteousness.

>> Rick Green: That's right.

>> Walker Wildmon: And the evildoer includes people who trespass into our nation and break, a litany of immigration laws. That's not righteous. That's not virtuous. And then they get into our nation and they rape and pillage it, and they rape our children and our wives. And then that's just an, insult to injury. And then our government is here to protect our citizens, and they do the virtuous thing, which is send them back to their homeland and let their own government deal with them. And then all of a sudden, that's uncompassionate. So the true biblical position here is not somewhere in the middle. The true biblical position is that we need a government that profusely and consistently enforces our laws so that the American citizens receive justice.

>> Rick Green: Amen, brother. That's doing justice, right? We're supposed to do justice. and the idea that we would not, and not only biblically, it's the right thing to do, but here we are Talking about the 250th and the birthday of the country and all these celebrations, and we're going to celebrate the Declaration next year and the 250th. I mean, the very, as you said it, the very purpose of government, Biblically, we know this, but we also know it from our founding documents that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the government. So the whole reason that governments are instituted among Men, the reason we have a government is to secure those rights, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness being among those rights. And so to your point, I mean that's the very purpose of government. So for government to then turn around and not do the thing that we created it for in the first place, and then for us to criticize someone who then gets into government and says, yeah, we're going to do what government's supposed to do and get these people out of your communities. Yeah, it's just, it's just backwards.

>> Walker Wildmon: One more thing, Rick. yeah, you're right, on it being backwards. The, this view, this worldview that government is supposed to display, compassion is nowhere in scripture. Yeah, nowhere in scripture does it say that the words compassion, loving, mercy, all these virtuous words at displaying kindness towards other people, that's how the church ought to behave. That's how the Christians ought to behave towards one another into the world as far as being salt and light. But nowhere is there indication that the bearer of the sword, the government, is supposed to also be the one that shows love and compassion. That's just not the role of government. They're supposed to be the heavy handed, upholders of righteousness and punishing of the evildoer. And it's the responsibility of the church, of the body of Christ to show charity, to show love, to show compassion, to care for those who are in need. That's the job of the church, not the job of the government. And we can't confuse the two.

>> Rick Green: Amen, brother. And the facts bear it out. You know, God's way is not only right, it works best. And you look at so many examples, whether it's taking care of the poor and what a lousy job the government does of that and what a great job that the church does of that. Or it's even in emergency situations, how lousy FEMA does at dealing with national tragedies and hurricanes, and everything else and how good the church does and private business and private individual when they donate and they get in there and they get the job done and help people, it's just, it's night and day and you know, just God designed this thing to work a certain way. And you know, back to the Declaration once again as we're getting ready for break is, you know, the laws of nature and nature's God. That's the way God designed the world. And when you line up with it, you get the blessings. When you go against it, you get the curses. So if we're if we're in God's will by doing things the way he told us to do it, if we know the principles that he designed the world to work around, then the system works well and we get prosperity and freedom and all those things. But, but if we ignore God's laws and we don't do it his way, then the system doesn't work well.

>> Walker Wildmon: Exactly. Exactly.

>> Rick Green: Well, hey, when we come back, we'll, take phone calls. 888-589-8840 is the phone number. 888-589-88420.

Preborn celebrates that Roe versus Wade has been overturned

I'm Rick Green, America's constitution coach, Walker Wildmon and Rick Green together today on at the Core. We don't get to do this that often. When we do, it's actually quite fun. We enjoy it. But we'd love to hear from you as well, either on those topics we've already brought up, or maybe you bring up something new and, we'll, we'll just kind of go all over the board. In our third segment, 888-589-8840. At the core back in a.

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Walker Wildman: Rick Green and I host the show together

>> Walker Wildmon: Welcome back to the last segment of the program today. Walker Wildmon here. Rick Green's with us and we're hosting the show together. And Rick, good to be with you on this edition of the program.

>> Rick Green: Man, we got to do this more often. I know our schedules are crazy and we both kind of plan around, you know, me doing Tuesdays and Thursdays, you doing Monday, Wednesday, Friday. But it's fun to do, it together and just catch up.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely, absolutely. We've Got several calls. Thank you everybody. Who's called in. Rick, will you give out that number one more time and then we'll jump straight to these calls.

>> Rick Green: You got it. 888-589-8840. That's 888-589-8840. You might want to comment on some of the things we've already been talking about or something else on your mind. Randy's up first in Oklahoma. Randy, thanks for calling in. Oh, sorry, Bobby, my software just shut down. If you could.

>> Walker Wildmon: I got you.

>> Rick Green: Okay, thanks man.

>> Walker Wildmon: There we go. Randy. Hey Randy, you're on. What's up?

Rick and Walker discuss Biblical citizenship in modern America ahead of 250th anniversary

>> Speaker D: Hi, Rick and Walker. Fantastic show today. I was just wanting to tell you guys talking about, you know, the state of our country right now, that you know, when Jesus was taken before Pilate, the people chose Barabbas who was a murderer. And you know, I don't understand why the Supreme Court and, and liberal left is, is doing the things that they're doing. But but it's, you can just attribute it to a spiritual, you know, battle, in America right now. And then secondly, Rick, I'm glad I got you on the phone because I had an idea. I'm a truck driver and I was driving and this idea came to me, even before your program anniversary of our nation coming up. I thought it'd be really cool if we could make like a production, maybe you could join with, with AFR and make a, ah, an introduction.

>> Walker Wildmon: Production.

>> Speaker D: on nobody has more, you know, of the factual artifacts and things of the the revolutionary times, you know, the founding of our country than wall builders. And maybe just a three, four minute intro that just would be very impactful that churches could, could get on AFR and, or wall builders and, and and get that and then present it to their church, on the week of July 4th as a presentation leading into the message. Yeah, you know.

>> Rick Green: Yeah, Randy.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, go ahead, Rick.

>> Rick Green: Well, I was going to say Randy, you're spot on man, in terms of just the need for the tools and the information and. Absolutely, yes, part of our 250th plan is not only to do little intros like that that they can use, but you know, Biblical citizenship in modern America is a course that about a million people have been through and a lot of churches have done over the last few years. But we're going to do a new course, that we released this summer on July 4th that's about rebuilding liberty in America and bringing back these biblical Values, basically. Truth, justice and the biblical way. I know Superman is truth, justice and the American way, but the American way is the biblical way. I thought Walker, I thought Randy was going to do a Schoolhouse Rocks thing there because he said it. Introduction, production. And I was going to try to add to that and see if I could rhyme like in Schoolhouse Rocks, but I'm no good at that.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, I think that would have been good.

Walker: To address one of Randy's points about the spiritual nature of America

Hey, Rick. To address one of Randy's points early on about the spiritual nature of what we're dealing with in America, there's no doubt, looking at American history, that, God has used this nation, for his purposes. And our founding fathers even wrote, and you probably know more of these quotes than I do, but about, one of the primary purposes that they wanted to found America was for the preservation and the propagation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And we saw that in America's early universities where they studied scripture. And, the fact that this is a spiritual battle, which I believe it is, the reason that it is a spiritual battle is because America has been overall, we've got our problems, we have our sin. We're still fallen people. But overall, America has been a force for good and a force for righteousness and justice throughout the world. We've been sending for a long time, 85, 90% of the world's missionaries have come from America. And, don't you think Satan would want to disrupt that and take that down? And so when you think about the spiritual aspect of this, some people kind of brush that off because they say it's politics and God doesn't care about what happens here. But that's just not true. God cares about the affairs of man. And America has been a force for good and righteousness for a long time. And Satan would love nothing more than to bring it down. Right?

>> Rick Green: No question about it, man. And you know, America, has been an amazing blessing to the world. I mean, we're not just the most powerful, wealthiest, most free. we've been the most benevolent. I mean, we've been the ones there. As you said, the mission being 85, 90% of the missions around the country is not only in terms of spreading the gospel, but even just meeting the basic needs of people. The Christian ethos, where we go and drill wells and take, vaccines to horrible diseases and just the things that we do as a nation. You just look at what Franklin Graham and Samaritan's Purse does. You look at what all of these private Christian organizations, and a lot of times Walker. Secular organizations that get their ethos from the Christian values. They don't even know it. Right. They're actually descendants of that, and they're echoing and parroting, what their parents, grandparents, and the previous generations did. But to your point, I mean, it. None of it happens without that biblical foundation. And we tried to run from that for the last 60 years, and we see the mess that it created, and now it just seems like we're coming back to it. Not only is the president proclaiming it, but there seems to be a hunger for it like never before. And that's why I think being able to champion the Declaration over the next year and teach those principles and show how, you know, Jefferson did just come up with this stuff out of thin air. And when he was quoting John Locke, Locke is quoting Scripture. And when he's quoting these, you know, there's just all of this biblical foundation that created what we have, and people need to know that, and we have to bring that back. And I'll say one other thing about Randy real quick before we go to another call. You know, the choosing of Barabbas, you know, and the court, even in this case, citing, at least temporarily with these injunctions and whatnot, with not getting rid of some of these thugs, these rapists and murderers and gang members and some of that. you know, Thomas and Alito dissented on this thing. And you and I have said this on the program several times, but, I mean, they're the only truly solid ones. Kavanaugh and Barrett and Gorsuch with us 80% of the time. And you can cobble together 5 votes Roberts, once in a while. Yeah, but what you're doing, Walker, and what American Family association is doing, what, our friend Kelly Shackelford over at First Liberty. I mean, all of these efforts to make sure that we do Isaiah 1:26. I'll give you lawyers at the beginning, judges at the first, then you'll be a righteous city. We have to raise up that new generation of legislators, city council members, judges, lawyers. We have to really focus on that next generation, not just winning the next election.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. That's why we support Patriot Academy. What you do, Rick. And I know, I know, I know you weren't trying to go there, but, what you're.

>> Rick Green: But I'll take it, man.

>> Walker Wildmon: Man, what you guys are doing, when I first saw that, I mean, I'm an alumni from back in 20, probably 2012. Ish. And when I saw what you guys are doing, I was like, this is the way of the Future. I mean, nobody else is doing this on the left or the right. And I'm talking about in depth training of biblical worldview and constitutional citizenship all in one package with Patriot Academy. And this is how we raise up the next generation. And, that's what you guys are doing. Let's go.

>> Rick Green: Well, for such a time as this, right, bro? Exactly. I think American family, I think wall builders, I think Patriot, all this stuff, you know, God's just, he's prepared us for this very moment. This harvest is absolutely incredible. Go ahead. You were about to say.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. Jake is in Arkansas. Hey, Jake. What's on your mind?

>> Speaker D: Rick? I, really enjoy your program and enjoy listening to Walker, enjoy listening to Frank Turek and people who defend God's word. What's amazing to me is the people who believe in God, that are celebrities on TV and radio, never say to the face of the Democrat. Your problem is you don't believe in God. You don't, you don't have a standard to go by. We have a Bible to go by. Anytime you guys want to defend your not believing in God, we'll defend our believing in God and his word. So just take your time. Elijah did that to the bailout prophets. We need to do it again. Need to do it again, guys.

>> Rick Green: Well, you know, first of all, go hogs, go, man. but anyway, I, you know, I think that that part of why they haven't had to defend their lack of faith in God or belief system or a foundation or principles or anything like that is because that's why they hate free speech. That's why they hate civil discourse. That's why the whole communist plan is they shout you down, they prevent that conversation. Because I think he's right. When we're able to defend our faith in God and we are like a Frank Turek, we're ready to answer as we're told in one Peter to be ready to do. when we do that, we win. We don't have to force people to convert at the source sword. We don't have to do that. That's the whole beauty of a Christian nation is when you have free speech and you have come, let us reason together. When we know our stuff, when we've discipled. Well, if we've discipled our church and our children, our grandchildren, and they're able to defend the faith, then we win the culture.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, that's right, Rick. And I've said this before and it still rings true. But, the principles of liberty, of justice, of righteousness, that are founded in scripture are not just good for the believer, they're good for all of humanity. And when you look at, the justice and righteousness and prosperity that America has brought to the world, through the Christian ethos, it's been good for people of all backgrounds, all walks of life, not just Christians.

Rick Perry: When we disciple and people follow biblical commandments, your neighborhood is safer

>> Rick Green: I tell people all the time, Walker, I'm like, you know, I kind of want to live in a neighborhood where people think murder is wrong and stealing is wrong and that there's no $900 exception in the eighth commandment. I kind of like the idea of living in a neighborhood where people are raising their kids to honor their father and mother. And imagine, even if you don't, believe in Jesus, even if this last weekend for Easter, if you weren't celebrating the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, you benefit from those of us who do. Because when we disciple and people follow those commandments, your neighborhood is safer. Law enforcement is better.

>> Walker Wildmon: That's right.

>> Rick Green: You can do contracts with people and they'll keep their word. I mean, you just go down the list what you just said, Walker. I think a lot of the non believers are waking up to that. They're starting to be like an Elon Musk, a cultural Christian, where they're saying, I may not believe everything they believe, but man, they sure make good neighbors. They sure make good citizens.

>> Walker Wildmon: That's right, because due process, which is a biblical precept, it applies to all people, not just believers.

>> Rick Green: That's right.

>> Walker Wildmon: The first, amendment isn't just applicable if you believe in Jesus. It's applicable for all of society and all these other things that everybody benefits from. Free trade, free society, liberty, justice, government, punishing the evildoer. But you go to some of these other societies, Rick, you go over to India, some places in the Middle east, and the dominant religion, whatever that is, mostly Muslim, they're the, haves and everybody else is the have nots. And it just is what it is.

>> Rick Green: Christianity, Christianity is an absolute blessing to the entire world. There's just no doubt about it.

Walker Wildman: Teaching true American history is vital

Alright, let's go to Linda in Texas. Linda, you're up next. You got the floor. Go for it. Okay, this is very light hearted. I mean, I've enjoyed all this.

>> Speaker D: But I heard you ask a question.

>> Rick Green: One of you trying to figure out.

>> Speaker D: What that food was. It's called the shepherd's pie.

>> Rick Green: That's it, that's it.

>> Speaker D: Shepherd's shoulder. This seems crazy, but Linda for the win.

>> Rick Green: That's right, Linda. If we were, if we Were giving away. This was a morning, you know, drive time show where you give away stuff. If they guess the song or whatever, you would get the giveaway, whatever it is. But you're exactly right. And if we ever do build a tavern restaurant on the Patriot Academy campus. Linda, we're gonna serve Linda's shepherd pie. How's that sound? that's exactly what I was trying to think of. I could not remember the name of it. Thank you, Linda. You saved me. Hey, what part of Texas you from? Shepherd's piece. Yeah, Shepherd's pie. What? I say. No, I lost you. All right, so. So, Yeah, there you go, Walker. We're gonna. When you get to. When you get down to Williamsburg this summer, and you. And you take everybody there, you got to take a little Christina's Tavern and eat you some shepherd's pie.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. You know, Rick, the, the American history. And I haven't always appreciated it until I've got a little older, and got married and started having children. But. But teaching true American history is just so vital, and it's kind of a lost art. I mean, there's just not a lot of it going on. Thankfully, there is some, like you guys and David and others, that this is what you do. This is what you focus on. but we've got to bring that back. And there's just so much education that's got to take place with our populace on just civics and biblical engagement and cultural transformations that, we've got a lot of work to do. But I think hearts and minds are turning towards the truth. They're turning towards the gospel because they've realized, Rick, as you said, that worldliness, is empty. It's empty, and people are seeing it.

>> Rick Green: Well, bro, you're talking about a biblical command. Remember the former days? I mean, how many times does God say that in the Bible, right? And how many times did you get the whole history of the children of Israel? And it's the Ronald Reagan thing about if we forget what we did, we won't know who we are. And that's what happens. You end up with this, just stumbling around in the dark. Amnesia. As a people, if you don't teach those things. And I have to be honest, I hated that stuff in high school and college and in classes, I'd sleep through history or government or whatever. And it wasn't until David Barton and Stephen McDowell and people like that brought it to life for me that I fell in love with it. And I think that's what's so cool. About these trips y'all are going on. It's what's so cool about how we teach our constitution classes. You have to make it fun. You have to make it entertaining. You have to bring it to life. And it actually is. I mean, the stories are incredible. I'm telling you, standing there on the Lexington Green last weekend and watching that shot heard around the world. And I, mean, it's fun. It's actually cool, especially when you learn the personal stories and you start going, wow, that person sacrificed this, or that kid did this. Then it's fun to teach to your kids. Hey, man. Had a great time co, hosting with you today.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely, Rick. God bless you, brother.

>> Rick Green: Well, everybody, have a fantastic evening. Walker will be with you tomorrow on Wednesday. I'll be back with you on Thursday. We sure appreciate you listening. You've been listening to At the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green.

>> Jeff Chamblee: The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.