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>> Walker Wildmon: Welcome to The Core here on American Family Radio. I'm, Walker Wildmon. Glad to be with you today on this edition of, of the program. Well, each Friday we typically have Chris Woodward in with us, but he is traveling international in the nation of Israel. And so we're going to have another guest with us here in just a little while to, take Chris's place. And then hopefully Chris will be back with us next week.
The weekend with afa. net is scheduled for October 2-4
>> Walker Wildmon: All right, jumping into the scripture for. This week, we've been in Proverbs chapter 22, looking at verse 1 and verse 2. A good name is to be more desired than great wealth. Favor is better than silver and gold. The rich and the poor have a common bond. The Lord is the maker of them all. so in a world that is obsessed with diversity, equity and inclusion and so called equality, the great equalizer is the fact that we are all born into sin and we are all in need of a savior. That's what, Proverbs 22, verse one, and specifically verse two is alluding to, the rich and the poor have a common bond and the Lord is the maker of them all. All right, that's our scripture for the week. the weekend with AFA event. We're going to close registration probably in the next three to four weeks. But this event for now registration is still open. The weekend with afa. It's going to be here in the city of our national headquarters, Tupelo, October 2nd through the 4th, coming up this fall. And we're going to have some very, good speakers. And I'm not talking about myself or my brother or anybody else. I'm talking about the likes of Jerry Boyer, who actually is going to be on with us today. He's going to be in here, with our weekend with afa. We're going to have, let's see, Abe Hamilton is going to be with us, Jenna Ellis, Tim Barton of Wall Builders, JJ Jasper is going to be with us all for the weekend with AFA October 2nd through the 4th at Kingfisher Lodge here in Tupelo, Mississippi. So we'd love to have you, October 2 through 4. And you can go over to afa.netweekend to check out all the information afa.netforward/weekend to check out all of the information and to register and get the itinerary.
President Trump is trying to broker a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia
All right, moving into some of the stories I want to get to today. this, situation, with President Trump attempting to get a peace deal brokered between the Ukrainians and the Russians, continues to progress. And it's, you know, after the, the summit with Putin and then the meeting at the White House with the European leaders, including Zelensky, things were looking good, things were looking optimistic. Who knows how this will pan out? Who knows if this so called peace deal will actually come to fruition. You know, President Trump is, is at a disadvantage in many regards, or in one regard specifically that I'm thinking about because he wants peace. He's articulated that numerous times. But when you have parties, one or the other, that don't want peace, then at some point the President is out of options. And I think we're getting close to that. If not already being there. I think that you're going to have to have Zelensky and Putin want peace and to Trump's defense, and even Zelensky to a degree. Up until now, the last three years, President Putin and Russia, they've shown no regard for peace, absolutely zero concern for any type of ceasefire or peace deal. As a matter of fact, Russia, has bombed Ukraine during negotiations. and even While President Trump has, met with other leaders, Russia keeps bombing Ukraine. And so, and the other could be said about the same could be said about Ukraine as well. And so, ultimately you've got to have Putin and Zelensky at the table and they both got to agree to the terms. And I don't know if that's going to happen. it hasn't looked very promising, but who knows? We'll just have to see. What I'm curious about though, is whether or not President Trump and the US Largely get to a point where they just throw their hands up or they just say, look, we've done what we can do, we've tried our best, we've been at it for three years and we've spent billions of dollars on this. War and we're out of options.
>> Walker Wildmon: I mean, we clearly want this thing to come to an end. The two parties are going to have to strike a deal. But the US has done. We've exhausted all of our options on the table and it's time for us to just pull out, to just completely withdraw from this situation. I don't know what that looks like practically. I don't know what that looks like militarily and politically, but I would say we're getting close to that. We're getting close to that. And I think that Ukraine has very little room to, to not want to negotiate. Ukraine has very little room to, you know, try to be stubborn in this whole deal because of how much we've helped them. You know, Ukraine really needs to just go along with what President Trump suggests and, and try to get a deal here. because if it wasn't for the backing of the US and some of Europe and NATO members as well, then there would, Ukraine would be in a much worse place, had they not been backed by the US and one clip I want to play on this is the former, acting Attorney General under the, under the Trump first term and current U.S. ambassador to NATO. This is Matt Whitaker talking about how President Trump wants to bring the killing to an end and it's going to take both sides. Let's listen.
>> Matt Whitaker: President Trump is a peacemaker and he is mediating a brutal meat grinder war, to a truce. And that's going to take some time and both sides are going to have to give and he's going to have to see how far both sides are willing to go. And you know, there is nobody that is better positioned and can bring the parties to the table than Donald Trump. And I think he should be given the support of really all these elected politicians that are doing nothing to help, Ukraine settle this war, to help with the rebuilding of Ukraine.
>> Walker Wildmon: Well, there you have it. That's Matt Whitaker. And to his point, you know, there hasn't really been another voice, another leading voice calling for peace, if we're being honest here. There's been, there's been. Well, Russia's basically been on an island by itself with the exception of maybe some backing by China and North Korea and maybe a few others. But a lot of your congressional leaders have been heavily on the side of Ukraine to such a degree that they want the war to continue, they think that the war should continue, Lindsey Graham being one of them, and there's others. and so really, President Trump is the only leader, political leader that has called for peace and the bringing of both parties to the table. Up until now, up until President Trump coming into office, it has been a lot of saber rattling, a lot of warmongering and a lot of provocation from both sides and very little discussion about peace. And so kudos to President Trump for wanting to bring about peace.
The largest federal migrant detention center in American history opens in Texas today
Well, earlier in the week, we talked about the immigration issue. I, spent nearly an entire show on it. And there's more to cover because these, detention facilities are just popping up all around the country. Once again, this is because of the one big beautiful bill. We've got roughly 50 billion at play here for these detention facilities, and that will help facilitate a large deportation operation, maybe not the largest because the numbers aren't very impressive right now. I actually talked extensively last week about how the Trump administration really is going to have to pick up the deportation numbers. I mean, what they're doing now is just not going to cut it. There's nothing, largest deportation about, what's going on right now. So they're going to have to step it up. But having the housing and the facilities for this as part of the battle. So let's play. Ah, clip one. This is going to be the largest ice detention facility that has ever existed. Clip one.
>> Jorge Ventura: The largest federal migrant detention center in American history has opened its doors. It is the latest effort to keep up with the Trump administration's mass deportation agenda. The migrant processing facility in Fort Bliss, Texas, near the U. S. Mexico border, officially opening today. And News Nation correspondent Jorge Ventura is live in Texas. Jorge, how many are expected to pack this mega facility when.
>> Natasha: Natasha, The Trump administration continues to expand their mass deportation operation. And now we are learning that Fort Bliss is set to open today as a ICE detention facility with up to a thousand beds already, ready to go. Now, what ICE says is this is part of a billion dollar project that will now, reshape how migrants are detained and ultimately deported. That ICE facility opening today is part of a $1.2 billion Defense Department contract. This massive m. New detention complex will begin with 5,000 beds up to 2027. Now, inside that facility, detainees will have access to legal help, medical treatment areas, and recreational space amenities. ICE insists that it will make it like a traditional facility. Supporters say it's meant to ease overcrowding at other detention centers and serve as a processing hub, sending migrants with final removal orders directly onto ICE air flights back to their home countries.
>> Walker Wildmon: Well, there you have it. One of the largest ICE detention bed facilities in American history opening up in Fort Bliss, Texas. And I said, a while ago, months ago, probably last year, how there. Should be no. There should be no flying these illegal immigrants into the homeland, into the mainland. they should stay right on the border and be housed there and process there and have their, hearing there on the border in, in Texas, if they're crossing, assuming they're crossing the southern border. And this is, this is going to help here. This is going to help because Fort Bliss is where, Right on the border. I mean, miles. this actual facility may not even be more than a couple miles, if not less than that from the actual border. So this is the way to go here. You set up these ICE detention facilities all along the southern border, then you bust the illegals once they're arrested, you bus them to the facility and they stay there until an immigration judge has heard their case and processed them and their final order for removal has taken place. And then, boom, it's done.
>> Walker Wildmon: No, no more flying them to Chicago. Flying them to Atlanta, flying them to Minneapolis, flying them into San Francisco. Nope, none of that. They get apprehended at the southern border, they stay at the southern border until a immigration judge has heard the case ruled. Boom, done. Absolutely. There's no. That is the most streamlined and efficient manner, to go about this. And so this is what the President, President, Trump's administration is moving towards. That's why you have these, facilities popping up, in Texas. And this one specifically is right on the border. This is coming on the heels of, the Trump administration, beginning to, transfer land ownership on the southern border to the U.S. military. I believe it was the Department of Interior that transferred, land, let's see, land transfer to Department of Defense, this was done this year in order to allow the military to patrol the border. Active duty military patrol the border. So this was In April, the U.S. department of Interior Bureau transferred administrative jurisdiction over approximately 110,000 acres of federal land along the U S Mexico border in New Mexico to the Department of Army for a three year period creating the New Mexico National Defense Area which is a heightened crime when you trespass not just into the country but also in tame into a designated military complex. it, it really doubles the penalty from a federal law, immigration law standpoint. And so all of this is working to secure our country.
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>> Walker Wildmon: Welcome back to the program. Glad to be with you on today's edition of the Corps. Well, welcoming back to the program a guest of the program before, Katy Talento, Executive director with the Alliance of Healthcare Sharing Ministries. Katie's back with us. Hey Katy welcome back to the program.
>> Katy Talento: Thanks so much for having me.
>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely.
Medical associations are suing the Department of Health and Human Services over vaccine mandates
Katy this story I wanted to get your input on and have you tell us, break this down for us, has to do with a lawsuit. The way I understand it is this is a lawsuit brought by medical associations against the Department of Health and Human Services. But instead of being brought from a liberty mindset and a mindset of individual choice and responsibility, it's actually coming at it from the opposite direction in that all of these vaccines and these shots should be mandated, no questions asked. Am I understanding this lawsuit correctly and break it down for us?
>> Katy Talento: Yeah. Well, if they were here, they would say the cdc, that recommendation that they're not, that's what they're suing over, is the CDC recommendation is not actually a mandate, it's a recommendation. And the CDC engaged in some sort of, you know, bad science and whatever because Bobby Kennedy, you know, that that's their argument. And essentially the reason why they're wrong is is that more than half of all states in their statutes actually refer back to the CDC recommendations with respect to their vaccine requirements. So vaccine requirements are set at the state level and most states actually rely on the CDC's recommendations. So in a sense, what the CDC does really does affect mandates and what families have to do. So if the CDC recommends that all kids age 6 to 18 get the COVID vaccine, or that all babies, on the first day of life get some vaccine for, hepatitis B, which is a sexually transmitted disease on the first, you know, in the first hour of life, then that is going to be what happens. And if you are a parent that is trying to choose something different for your child, you're going to be hunted down. I just had a grandchild, born and they sent CPS to our house. Cps. And so, you know, if you, if you don't obey these rules, you can get in big trouble. So it's really important that the CDC makes sound public health, science based decisions and that is what they have done here for the first time with respect to the COVID vaccine, by the way. And you know these organizations like this Pediatrics membership society, which is funded almost exclusively by big Pharma, you know, they don't like it and their donors don't like it either.
>> Walker Wildmon: Katy I don't understand though. It's so frustrating to me that the basic premise of this lawsuit is that two entities can't have differing opinions is the way I understand it. Because the American association of Pediatrics says one thing, they're recommending the COVID shot, even though it's a very, very faulty and no, no science backed opinion. But then you got the CDC and HHS which have withdrawn their recommendation for the shot for minors. And so to me it's, it's just absurd that that you can launch a civil suit to force the government to alter its recommendation.
>> Katy Talento: Well, it's, it's existential for them. You have to follow the money. So pediatricians, the vast majority of what they're doing every day are, well, baby visits. Well, child visits where vaccines happen. If you didn't need to take your kid in for the vaccine schedule, you almost never need to take your kid in. Right. Except when they're sick. Because all these so called checkups and wellness visits and the physicals you have to do before you go into school every year, those are all vaccine visits. And what happens to these pediatricians? So they would lose that business if parents reduce their vaccine uptake. at any rate, but also every year they get an end of year bonus from the insurers, the big insurers, based on what percent of their practice is compliant with the CDC recommendations. So they could get hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, sometimes more than they make in salary from these bonuses. All of that is at risk if people as they have been, start choosing to delay or skip vaccines.
>> Walker Wildmon: This, Katy is so the, the end result, if these parties get what they want, would be to force RFK Jr and his agencies that he leads as the, as the Secretary of Health and Human Services to, to rescind their previous guidance that withdrew the COVID shot recommendation for Minors for. For, young for infants, basically, for children, and, and reinstate the recommendation in. Favor of the shot. All because some private association of Pediatrics. Has got their feelings hurt. I mean, this just. It doesn't seem like it's a very robust argument. I mean, basically, when you read the filing and when you read the news stories on this, basically the American association of Pediatrics and other groups, other organizations that are part of this lawsuit, they're basically saying, hey, cdc, we don't agree with y'. All, and, and you're making us look bad because we're having to explain to parents that you say one thing and we say another. So you should have to say what we say. That's basically the argument. There's no strong legal theory here. There's no harm been done. I'm just surprised this thing even made it into court.
>> Katy Talento: Yeah, and, I mean, this is quite a playbook. If they, they may rue the day. I mean, if outside entities, private organizations like, say, parents groups or Covid dissidents can sue the government and force the government to change their mind, like, great. Game on.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, duly noted. Let's give it a shot. Right? yeah, but this, this just shows the cynicism and the audacity and the arrogance of these medical associations. that. And really, this is embarrassing for them, but. Because when you read the filings on this, the court filings I'm talking about, what you draw from it is that these physicians that have signed onto this, this coalition, if you will, they're so not confident in their own medical advice that they've got to sue about it because they've never been placed in this position in 30 plus years where their advice goes against the CDC's advice. But to me, Katy this is good for our country. Let's have a good, honest, fair debate about whether this shot is good for our children or not. But these physicians, they don't even want to have a debate. They don't even want to have a conversation. All they want to do is say, well, the CDC says, and, then give you the shot.
>> Katy Talento: Well, they're used to everybody just submitting. They're used to being priests and priestesses in a white coat religious cult where everyone respects their authority and does exactly as they say and doesn't question where these opinions come from in the scientific basis for them. And during COVID which was the absolute silver lining and blessing of COVID America and American parents woke up and started saying, you know what? Maybe not. Maybe my pediatrician, maybe these doctors, maybe these Experts do, do not have the expertise that they think they do. And your average American physician or pediatrician of any sort is going to be busy all day. They're super busy. They don't have time to read every clinical trial that comes out of the pharma funded journals. And even if they did, they don't have the training in epidemiology and biostatistics to understand whether those clinical trials are adequate or not. They get like, what, maybe one hour of epidemiology training in medical school. So these people are just not the experts that they love being. They love that deference, they love everybody turning to them and that authority. And when it's questioned, boy, the mask comes off.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, but the thing is, Katy when, when push comes to shove and people start asking questions, they start sweating, they start going, well, the CDC says, the CDC says, or you know, HHS says, because they don't want to have to answer the hard questions. And, and so they love being kind of on this perch of being the best of the best and the elite and the go to, on all things medical advice. but when there's any discrepancies or any agency disagrees, they get really nervous because to your point, they really don't know their stuff. And I've had this experience firsthand where we're getting shots recommended for kids, and I ask questions like the hep B, I think, is what they want to give the shot, in the hospital when the child's like 24 hours old, and you ask the nurse who's going to be administering it without even the doctor around, and you go, so what does this do exactly? And they go, oh, let me go get the print off for you. And they go to the CDC website and they do a print off. And then you ask them questions. They have no idea what they're doing or what the shot does. And that just goes back to this default position that, well, you should just trust us and just do it and don't ask us any questions. last thoughts, Katie?
>> Katy Talento: There is a, there is an FDA label for all of these products. And if you ask your physician for the FDA label and you go to section 6.1 and that label, you will see what trials were done on that product. So for the hepatitis B product, all you need to do is look and see. This product was, they followed 160 kids for five days before they approve this product. And if that's the kind of risk you want to take with your baby on your baby's first day, of life. Go right ahead. You're free to do that. It's a free country.
Katy Talento is the executive director of Healthcare Sharing Ministries
But you should not be forced to do that. And you know, the doctors, they benefit from this. And they're pharmaceutical donors of this association. They benefit from you just blindly accepting every single vaccine. And you know, you can't sue these companies if your vaccine hurts your child. You can't sue them. It's the greatest market ever they want. I mean, what other product does the government require everyone to buy? And they can't be sued if they hurt you? I mean, it's the greatest. It's, it's a golden ticket. So that gold is being threatened and that's the root of the problem here.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, 100%, you're right. And there shouldn't be this immunity. It just shouldn't exist. We don't have this level of immunity for hardly any other industry. and this drills deals directly with our health, so that, that shouldn't even exist. Hey Katy tell our folks your website where they can read more about your work.
>> Katy Talento: Yeah, so I'm the executive director of the alliance of Healthcare Sharing Ministries. We're a non insurance alternative, for getting your medical bills taken care of. And we don't force anything on you and we protect your faith and your budget. So you can reach [email protected] Excellent.
>> Walker Wildmon: Hey, Katy Talento, thanks so much for coming on with me.
>> Katy Talento: Thank you. Appreciate it.
>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely.
The medical associations are suing the government over a controversial flu shot
folks, you heard this story, right? I mean, this is no joke. You would think this was like part of the Babylon Bee or something, or the Onion. this is no joke. The, the, the, these medical associations are suing the government. They're suing RFK Jr. And his outfit in order to force them to recommend a shot that RFK Jr and their data says they don't have the data to back it up. They do not have the data to recommend this shot with confidence, which we all knew the whole time, but Biden's crew went along with it regardless of the red flags. And so, this, this folks, this is, I don't know whether this is upsetting anybody else or just me, but this expectation of uniformity, this expectation of you're not allowed to ask questions and this expectation of all the medical professionals all having to dance to the same tune is very concerning to me. It is very concerning that dissent is not allowed in the medical community. Like, can you imagine any other industry where dissent is treated this way? Especially with so much money at stake.
>> Walker Wildmon: Dealing directly with our health and our well being. I mean, this is. You want a red flag in any industry, you find the industry that doesn't allow any dissent amongst the professionals that make up the industry. I mean, whether we're talking about food, furniture, vehicles, any industry, law, lawyers, whatever industry we're talking about, there's always differing opinions, there's always differing advice. But here we are. And these medical associations are so sensitive. And so insecure that they just can't. Fathom how dare the CDC make a differing recommend recommendation than we do. We've all got to be on the same page. No, no, you don't. You don't have to be on the same page. You don't have to be dancing to the same tune. I actually want to hear differing opinions. I want to hear people that disagree with each other and. And. And articulate your position. This is America. Let's hear it out. But these medical associations don't want it. Why? Because it threatens the bottom line. two. Two. Two main drivers here. I can tell you with absolute certainty there are two main drivers here behind the lawsuit. The first driver is this. This insecurity that I'm talking about, where these doctors have never been questioned in their career, and they don't want to ever be questioned in their career. They're having patients ask questions like, hey. Doc, why does the CDC not recommend this? And you do. Can you please explain? They don't want to be asked the questions. There's even. I've seen reports of, physicians that get frustrated when patients ask questions because they don't want to have to spend their time explaining. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
>> Walker Wildmon: How much are you getting paid?
>> Walker Wildmon: And you're dealing with my health, and you don't want to answer any questions? No go. The second driver is the money. These are two main drivers. Almost guaranteed is the money. As Katy said, there's an entire incentive structure, an entire financial incentive structure that.
>> Walker Wildmon: Rewards financially the administering of these shots. No questions asked. The more shots you administer, the more you get paid. It's a compensation package directly tethered to.
>> Walker Wildmon: The administration of the shots, which I think is an ethical violation if you want to incentivize and put a comp package together for selling a house, selling a car, selling furniture, selling tennis shoes, selling something that doesn't directly affect someone's individual health. Fine. We live in a capitalist society. But I think these incentive structures for physicians, where the more medicine they give, the more shots they give, the more they get compensated, it seems very, very problematic from a conflict of interest and an ethical standpoint. And, the entire incentive structure in the medical field should be completely re examined. We'll be back in a few.
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Walker Wildmon welcomes Jerry Bowyer back to American Family Radio
>> Walker Wildmon: Welcome, back to the last segment of today's program here on American Family Radio. I'm Walker Wildmon. I'm your host for the program today. Glad to be with you here on afr. Well a get previous guest and friend of the ministry that I work with, nearly weekly is Jerry Boyer of Boyer Research. He's been on before. He's also featured on Rob, West program each Friday. And Jerry's back with us. Hey Jerry, welcome back to the program.
>> Jerry Bowyer: Walker, great to be with you again.
>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely.
Several shareholders signed a letter urging Costco not to sell abortion pill
Jerry, this excellent news item that developed late last week, had to do with Costco pharmacies selling the abortion pill and you and myself and dozens of others, mainly in the financial world, whether it's advisors or investment institutions, signed on to a letter. Shareholders as well signed on to a letter to Costco and others, other major pharmacy brands to not asking them, appealing to them to not sell the abortion pill mifepristone for multiple reasons, both moral and legal. so tell us a little bit about this story.
>> Jerry Bowyer: Well, I think you've outlined the facts of the matter very well. a number of us asked them to. They were under pressure, to sell mifepressone. They were under pressure, from blue state financial officers, and particularly by the new York City controller, and anyone who's following the New York City politics with mandami, et cetera. He's sort of teamed up with the New York City controller, Brad Lander. they cross endorsed one another. And so the controller of New York has essentially been using New York City pension dollars, as a political weapon to buttress his credentials on the left and get him in the game. Because usually the comptroller of the pension plan isn't a mayoral candidate. That's not usually the path to becoming mayor or governor. How did he do that? He took the pension dollars of New York working people and pushed an extreme left wing agenda. and so he pressured them. Red, state treasurers pushed back on that. I was part of that, as did a number of financial advisors and asset managers and asset owners, like American Family Association. So people don't quite understand. What does that mean? Well, you have donors for example. Donors sometimes give money, but there's some real big tax advantages to giving stock sometimes instead. So stock goes up in value and then they can make a donation of stock to you, and then they get a much better tax write off. But in the meantime, what they don't realize is in your particular case, you've got that stock and you can use that to engage with those companies. So it's a very powerful tool. So in the case of Costco, there was a lot of pressure on them to sell the, abortion drug. And a number of us came forward, including you, to basically say, that this is not good business. Now, I know there's clearly a moral case against mifeprestone because it's an abortifacient and abortion is immoral. But there's also a fiduciary business case. What's the fiduciary business case? Number one, It's a lot riskier than reported. Something like one in five or one in four women end up in the abortion emergency room if they use this. So why was it approved? Because the Biden administration politicized the FDA process and rushed through the approval. Now there's data coming out and saying it should never have been approved, that it's very dangerous. So there's a, there's a risk of being sued if you sell this stuff. There's also just a really obvious, to me, obvious business risk, which is if you kill customers, then they're not customers anymore. So you can sell, Costco can sell mifeprestone for $200 to a mother to, eliminate her child. That's $200 one and done. That's the last bit of business that Costco is doing having to do with that child or she can have the baby. And we've calculated, actually using help from your cfo, Walter Billingsley helped us with the data on this. We calculated the net present value of 10 years of a child being a customer. Like if you go from a family of three to a family of four, they 17 to $7200 in revenue value. So you're losing $7000 when you're paid $200 to help kill the baby, as opposed to selling diapers and Vicks and, and shoes and, vaporizers and all the other things and, you know, and tricycles and everything you sell. so it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. for whatever reason, Costco came, forward and said, we're not going to, we're not going to sell this. So that is a reason to be very thankful. There's part of a general vibe shift, I think that's going on in which there's a new openness to the conservative side of the argument. And I think Costco is reflecting that, which is really interesting because Costco historically is kind of a left aligned firm. You know, the roots are Seattle. Right? I mean this isn't, this isn't Walmart. Not somebody who, you know, had a southern footprint. This is a very, you know, sort of Pacific Northwest footprint. But I think they saw the reality here.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, absolutely. And, and, and maybe this will, you know, give some, some credence, or some excuse to other pharmacy brands to do the same thing. Because to your point, there's no strong case for selling the abortion pill. I mean there's not unless you're operating as like a arm of the Democrat party and you're all in ideologically on the abortion idea, then of course it might make sense. But otherwise there's no strong business case for selling the abortion pill and there's a million reasons why not to. And Costco came to their senses on that and we appreciate that and we encourage others to do the same.
Jerry, how do you see inflation faring out with the Trump economy
Jerry, let me, let me steal you from Rob's show because he likes to ask you about the economy and by the time this airs he will have already asked you about the economy. But the labor report, the jobs report, the most recent jobs report was pretty weak. It wasn't negative. and of course we had a cooling GDP in the first quarter. Second quarter was better. how do you see all this faring out with the Trump economy? you know, inflation still, things are still expensive. and inflation really isn't below 2% in most of the major categories. So how do you see this faring out?
>> Jerry Bowyer: Yeah, inflation's closer to 3% than it is to 2%. and you know, I believe personally that the proper inflation target is zero. So as far as I'm concerned, when the Fed says we want a inflation target of 2 to 2.5%, they have already very much conceded to monetary debasement. I mean that's the basket weaving class option for them it ought to be zero. So if we're not hitting even that permissive goal, then we got a problem. and the last print was, 2.7 actually depends whether you're looking at wholesale or retail. But generally it's been going up. So why has it been going up? Well, we had a short trade war, and we can debate whether trade war, but that was a good policy or not. It depends. Sometimes it's for Some people. There should be a permanent trade war. We should have high tariffs, and they're going to tariff us, and each country just kind of consumes what it produces. there's another approach, which is you use reciprocal tariffs. You use tariffs as a negotiating tool. The president seems to have focused more on tariffs as a negotiating tool. At least that's my read. He's got advisors who want a kind of fortress, permanent trade war, and he's got advisors who want more trade and use tariffs, against other countries to get them to open up their markets to us. So there was a period of time when we had a pretty aggressive trade war in. In place. And when we get these numbers from the government, people have to realize, you'll even see the headlines like, well, inflation is now trending upwards. Well, wait a minute. It's August. That was July.
>> Walker Wildmon: M. Right.
>> Jerry Bowyer: Or GDP, you know, it was 3% or 0.5%. Well, you know, that's second quarter. Right. that's two months ago, basically. So one of the problems, when we get, we get economic news, when you get GDP news or inflation or employment news, it is at least a month out of date. So we're kind of like looking back in the time machine to when the trade war was still rolling on. Now that the trade war is mostly off, then, you know, things I think are more likely to get better. So we had, I mean, we had negative growth in the first quarter. Well, basically, we're 180% tariffs, you know, on the world. Well, it's no surprise that was disruptive. Right. And it's no surprise that if you're taxing, these transactions, that you're going to get some higher prices. I think the question is, now that we've moved into sort of a more normalizing of that, what do we see going forward? And I think we'll see better news going forward.
Jerry Bowyer says a full recovery from COVID will take several years
>> Walker Wildmon: one last, question. We've got about two or three minutes left. Jerry is on the how long it takes to get to gain what was lost from the COVID era, because you look at the wages that were lost and just how people's income was just eaten by inflation. I think it's going to be towards the tail end, best case scenario, towards the tail end of this term, of President Trump's term, before we're at any place that is close to where we were before. Some people say we'll never go back. I don't. I'm not going to say that. but don't you think that A full recovery is going to take several years.
>> Jerry Bowyer: Yeah, I do, I think it's going to take time. Covid was very disruptive, by the way. I think the most disruptive thing about COVID wasn't Covid.
>> Walker Wildmon: Right.
>> Jerry Bowyer: The most disruptive thing about COVID was our reaction to it. Broad based lockdowns. I mean, I mean, for thousands of years, the principle on plagues, is you quarantine the sick, you don't quarantine the healthy. It is a very odd thing that we quarantined an entire global civilization, as opposed to, say, people in nursing homes, people who maybe had diabetes, people with advanced heart disease, people who are immunocompromised. So that was a very strange response. So what that did is that created a complete, almost a complete shutdown of the economy. So what do we do in response to that? We ramp up spending and we ramp up money supply creation. So that was, you know, that was inflationary and it was contractionary. So when do we climb out of that hole? Well, there's kind of two things here. One is, you know, I think we can, we can kind of be back to where we were before, really about now. But, we're never going to be back to where we would have been. I mean, if somebody is a distance runner and they fall and break their legs severely and they're laid up for six or eight months, that's lost. Now they can be runners again, and maybe they can eventually get back, but that's a, that's a year loss in their career. So we wiped out two years of America's economic preeminence. Now the rest of the world did as well. So we're still preeminent. But, doing something like that, you never make up for the mistake. you can get back to where you were.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Jerry Bowyer: But you can never make up those lost years. Unless, I mean, God's providence, you know, what did you, was the prophet Joel. The Lord will restore the years the locusts have eaten. what I would say to that is that's a miraculous gift and I pray for it. But there's no policy mix or no amount of effort that's going to restore the years that the locusts have eaten. Those years are lost.
>> Walker Wildmon: I agree. Yeah.
>> Jerry Bowyer: Terrible policy mistake.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. And that's why we should never forget how that was all mishandled. Drastically mishandled. And we should never go back and do that again. Terrible, terrible thing. and I still think there's, there's a whole lot of lack of accountability, in response to the whole Covid mania, there was just a lot of things done very wrong, very not. I'm not just talking policy, I'm talking very evil things that were done that no, nobody really answered for. We just kind of moved on, for better or worse. Hey Jerry, thanks so much for coming on. Appreciate your input on all these various items and we'll be talking soon.
>> Jerry Bowyer: Thank you, Walker.
Jerry Bowyer: Christian investors are paying attention to how multi billion dollar companies operate
>> Walker Wildmon: All right, that's Jerry Boyer of Boyer Research. And this this Costco story is a big, big story and I just can't highlight it enough. That's why I wanted to have Jerry on. Because the coalition of investors and advisors that are working in this space are just doing phenomenal work and, and, and they don't make headlines every day. And that's fine, we don't need to. But the fact that we have faith based investors and faith based financial advisors and people that are Christian in the financial world that are paying attention to how these companies operate, these multi billion dollar companies is something we just haven't had in the past at this scale. And we're seeing great, great fruit, great, great results. And every single, any ministry that's listening out there that has any money in investments ought to be paying attention to this topic. Because if we can get, and we've already gotten, we're already into the billions as far as assets under management, owned and managed by Christian ministries and organizations and businesses that are in this coalition. But there's billions more at play. Anybody who's listening, whether an individual or a private, or a nonprofit or an organization or even a private faith based business that has investments, any semblance of investments ought to be paying attention to the companies that they're investing in. And not just paying attention to, but showing up at shareholder meetings and engaging at the corporate level with these corporations. Christians ought be showing up at the board meetings.
>> Walker Wildmon: That's a fact. And that's what we're doing. As of the last two years, Jerry's team over at Boyer Research, they're experts in this, this is what they do. We work with them every week, every month on this, looking at different shareholder opportunities, looking at different board meetings that we can show up at. And I've spoken at bank of America, I've spoken at Apple, I've spoken at Chase, I've spoken at Meta, and the list goes on. And I, and we're able to speak Christian values into the corporate boardroom of America's Fortune 10 companies. And that's only possible, because of your support and those of you who, don't donate stock and other gifts to the ministry. So thank you so much. We're going to pledge to keep up the work. We'll see you next time.
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