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At the Core with Walker Wildman and Rick Green discussing tariffs and economics

Welcome to At the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green. I'm Rick Greene, America's Constitution coach. Thanks for joining me today. We got Bob McEwen with us. Today we're gonna be talking tariffs and economics. In a world where America is put first by the President of the United States, what a difference that creates. And I know the tariff issue has been debated, is being debated greatly among our conservative friends. Certainly we are free market oriented and free trade, but you gotta have free trade to have free trade. Know what I'm saying? All right, so anyway, we got Bob McEwen here to talk about it. Congressman than, thank you so much for coming on today.

>> Bob McEwen: You know, the honor is mine.

Bob McEwen: Everything under Jimmy Carter was falling apart economically

Great, Rick.

>> Rick Green: Well, hey, you know, a lot has happened in the last few months. In fact, we haven't had you in a few weeks. And, so much that President Trump is doing, everything from, of course, the deportations to the, you know, tariffs to supporting Israel. I mean, there's so much we could talk about, brother. let's talk some economics, though. You, managed to take these complicated topics and make them where even a country boy like me can understand them. And the big one right now is tariffs. What's your take on this? Is it just, being used as a negotiating tactic? Is it good or bad? I mean, what's Bob McEwen M. Think about all this?

>> Bob McEwen: Well, Rick, let me, It's important that when you're old that you not reminisce too much, but I think it's appropriate. If we recall, there are those that didn't go through the 1970s, that everything under Jimmy Carter, and we've just lived through Joe Biden, who is Jimmy Carter 2.0. But it was the same sort of thing. 18% inflation in the 1970s, 20, 1% interest rates, declining standard of living, gas lines, everything you can think about was falling apart architecturally. Houses, seven foot ceilings, and it was all of this, this, natural wood and all, had shag carpeting and, the cars were falling apart. Haircuts, you name the styles. Everything was a mess. And in fact, we were declining in economically, militarily and politically and more countries went communist under Jimmy Carter than any president since Truman. And the head of the Council of Economic Advisors, our number one cheerleader, said the question is not whether or not America will have a declining standard of living in the 1980s. The question is whether or not they'll learn to adapt to their declining standard of living. And on election night 1980, Ronald Reagan said, there's nothing wrong with this country that proper leadership can't cure. And he began to come in by cutting taxes and getting the economy going again. We went back to two story homes using brick, putting porches. Again, people began cutting their hair, the styles. And three out of every four jobs created on this planet in the 1980s were created in one country, the United States of America. And by 1989, the entire world was chanting, USA, USA. USA. And so, having lived through that, we've now seen this thing again.

>> Rick Green: And that, Bob, by the way, that was a total rebirth after a president had said, like you said, like the economic advisor did, you're just gonna have to get used to that. This is just the malaise that, our best days are behind us. I mean, what a depressing time. And to have the leader of the country actually encouraging the depression and then to go from that to mourning in America. Big, big change.

>> Bob McEwen: But Rick, it was completely agreed. All of the professors and all the general consensus was that America had crushed it. America was through. They formed a thing called, now called the African Union. It was called the Conference on African Unity. The first meeting that they had, 56 African countries. They chose the head of the Soviet Union, Leonid Brezhnev, to give the first speech. And he said, because of what we are doing, that's the Soviet Union. Because of what we are doing, by the end of this decade, by 1990, we will be able to work our will any place on the planet. Because the correlation of forces, economic, military and political are on the side of socialism and communism. And so the professional bedwetters are from particularly the, the ivory tower. They don't know what got them into the mess, therefore they don't know how to get out.

One of the real prohibitions to success is taxes

Now that brings us up to today. And we can, we can see that this country is, is right on the threshold of taking off like a rocket. Now, we were on the edge of a precipice. Had we continued the direction that we were going, we would have been in trouble. So what, what is one of the real prohibitions to success is taxes. When people take money out of your pocket, you can't spend it for yourself. That means you have fewer choices and you have a lower standard of living. And that's what the left always wants to do in any country whenever they take control, or any city or any state. And we see the four largest states in the union are California, New York, Texas and Florida. Two of them are red, two of them are blue, two of them are prospering and growing, two are collapsing and people fleeing. So it's not complicated. And so what Donald Trump has said that these other countries that have said you can stand on the street corner any place in Europe and you won't see a single American car go by. Why? Because there's a 26% tariff on any cars being sold into the European Union. And so we have, for the first time in a long time, a president that says, I'm on the side of the American. I'm on the side of the steel worker, the rubber worker, the auto worker. I'm going to defend an American that is if you. Mr. Mercedes, Audi, Volkswagen, if you want to sell a car to America, well, we'll just put the 26% tariff on your car as well. And now they say, oh, my goodness. Oh, it's so distressing. And I repeat, the professional bedwetters in the, in the ivory towers, they're saying, oh, this is really terrible. But what's going to have. You just watch what's going to happen that is that they're now coming saying, all right, we'll drop the, tariff, the taxes on American cars. We're going to open up those markets that America has been frozen out of for the last 30 to 40 years, and we're going to see a renaissance. And this is just one of the many ways a, new renaissance is now we're going after energy. We're beginning to use our oil and gas again. We're beginning to use our coal. The idea of having government sit on people is now being removed. And allow the ingenuity and the characteristic and capability of Americans to bring spring forth and the world is going to be blessed just as you and I are.

>> Rick Green: I'm telling you, no one can summarize it like Bob McEwen. That was, that's exactly what I needed to know. Because, you know, it's the whole. I think what you just described is an America first foreign policy, tariff policy, tax policy, literally saying, I'm going to put Americans ahead of these other countries. And Bob, I didn't even know. I don't do a lot of international travel. I hadn't even thought about that in so many of these Countries, you don't see the American vehicles, the American goods, yet we still have the best economy and these amazing products and all that. But there's so many of these countries where we haven't been able to sell our goods into there, but we gladly accept their goods into our nation. So the president's just leveling the playing field. If we want free trade, we've got to actually have free trade.

>> Bob McEwen: Well, Rick, what he's doing is so unbelievably good that, it's hard to overstate. Now, in order to do these things, like let me just give you an example about taxes, there's a thing that's called expensing. That is that if, if you spend money to, to make, take in money, that's, called a capital gain. And so you, you, if you tax the capital, then that discourages people from doing it. And so when he got elected the first time, in the last quarter of 2017, his first tax cuts went into effect. And it said that if you take money out of your till and you don't put it in your pocket, that would be income. If you invested in new equipment in order to make more jobs, we won't tax it between you and the job. So in the last quarter of 2017, when it dropped the expensing, the tax for capital investment went to zero. It was, the highest in the free world. It went down to zero in the last 90 days of 2017. More truck cabs. That's the big truck vehicles. More trucks were ordered in those 90 days than had been ordered in the previous three and a half years in America. So when you quit stealing from people, then they begin to produce. So what we're about to see here is a very interesting time. Now, this is why we need to sit tight and be adults about this, because the, end is beyond our wildest hopes. And that is. Let's take, take the stock market. During COVID the stock market went up. Now, let me go through it again. During COVID the stock market went up. Why? Because the corporate, the publicly held companies, they see, if you own a store on Main street, then you and your wife own it or your family. But if you have a big corporation that you sell stock, then you list it on the stock exchange and they report they have certain standards. So the large companies such as Costco and Walmart and all those are publicly held companies, not private, publicly held. Now, during COVID when the government shut down, all the small businesses shut down all the privately held businesses, that meant that every day the Competition to these large corporately held companies was diminished. So that means every day they got more and more market share, because every day, more and more small businesses went out of business. More and more stores closed on Main Street. Now, that was wrong. It was improper. And Donald Trump, God love him, said, that's not fair. Therefore, what we're going to do is we're going to get those same advantages back to the little guy on Main street, and we're going to protect him so that these global deals that the big guys can make, they can't defend themselves against some widget manufacturer in India or a widget manufacturer in China. So we're going to put up a barrier that will protect him so that he can begin to build it here at home. Now what happens, that means that some of the money that's gone to these handful of very large global companies is going to diminish and it's going to flow back into the capital and financial markets on Main Street. And that in order to do that, there's a period of readjustment. And you can count the number of politicians with the backbone to do that on one hand and virtually with one finger, because this has been needed for a long, long time. And as Donald Trump said the other day, and he's exactly right, he says, I'm the only one that would have the guts to do this. And I agree.

>> Rick Green: Yeah. You know, what you just described is that there's so few that can weather the storm where once you make that policy, you know, just like with Reagan in 81 and the tax cuts and everybody in his administration trying to convince him to reverse course, it's not working. And you had to give it time to work. There's so few people that have the backbone to do that. And I think you're right. Right now, today, he's the one guy that can do it. He's proven he can do it. he can weather that storm. He's going to stay the course. And until those corrections take place, just an exciting, exciting time to be alive.

Congressman asks who owns $36 trillion in debt and whether enemies can use it

Hey, Congressman, before I let you go, we had a question from an audience member about just the debt itself and who that's owed to and how, you know, for most people, they just hear, we got $36 trillion in debt. Well, who do we owe for that? And that you always hear, china owns a big chunk of that debt. What's your simple explanation for who owns the debt and whether or not our enemies can use that as a weapon against us?

>> Bob McEwen: Well, let's explain. How do you get money. There isn't a window that uncle, Sam goes to borrow. And there's a thing called a bond. And that is that if you and I want to borrow money to buy a car, we go to the bank and they give us money to buy the car. Let's suppose that we're General Motors and we want to borrow $150 million in order to build a new plant. Well, there's no bank that has $150 million laying around that they could loan it to us. And so General Motors writes on a piece of paper and puts a seal on there, and it says, if you will give us $10,000 for five years, we will repay it at 5% interest. that's called a piece of paper or called a bond. And when you go out and you try to sell the bond, if people trust the company, then they'll buy the bond. But if they don't trust the company, then it just sits there. Now, with that same principle that applies to governments. And so when the government of, of Greece needs some money, then they make a scroll and they read a piece of paper, and they create a bond. And they say that if you loan us the money, we, the government of Greece, will repay it in five years or 10 years or whatever the bond is for a certain percentage. And that's the way Greece governments and large corporations, that's the way that they borrow money. Now, it just so happens that if people lose faith in the, in the company, they don't borrow it. Or if it happened with Greece, one morning when they needed some bonds and they wanted to sell their bonds, some of those bankers, some of those rich people in Europe looked at that and said, you know, I don't trust those birds. I'm not going to buy it. And so when a major bank said no, well, that ricochets around in about 30 seconds. The mother banks say, oh, they're not buying it either. Within a half an hour, they find out that nobody in Europe is going to buy the bonds. Now, that's called a bankruptcy. That means they have to renegotiate their debt. They have to get, a country like the United States to give them additional money in order to bail themselves out to get squared away. Otherwise, their system collapses because the banking system no longer has enough to function. Now, the United States is considered the most trusted nation, on Earth. That is that we have always maintained our national debt at about 30% of GDP. That is of all the goods and services that we make. Like, if Your daughter makes $10,000 a year, and she has a $3,000 debt that's. She can handle that. But if she's making 100,000 a year, then she could perhaps handle a $30,000 debt. So it's based upon the economy in the United States, if you look at all since World War II, has been just about perfectly flat, fluctuating, but, right around 30% of GDP for all these many years until, until Covid and until these people have just lost all control and we now have surpassed 100% of our GDP in, in, debt. And so who does that? Well, with those bonds, people like you and I and the local banker and other nations, they have been buying the bonds. But here's the concern is that there's a great desire to get a substitute for that. And those were called the bric, which is Brazil, Russia, India and China. And they got together and they said, we need to make a currency that's different from America.

>> Rick Green: Hold that thought. We're up against a hard brick here. We'll get to conclusion with Bob McEwen in just a second. Stay with us. You're listening to at the Core. At the Core podcasts are available@afr.net now back to at the Corps on American Family Radio.

Rick Green: Congressman Bob McCune helped develop BRIC currency

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on at the Core with Waka Wahman, Eric Green. Eric Green, America's Constitution coach. Let's jump right back in with Congressman Bob McCune. Just wrapping up, our discussion with him, and he was just explaining the whole effort to form this currency, this BRIC currency and replace the American currency.

>> Bob McEwen: And those were called the bric, which is Brazil, Russia, India and China. And they got together and they said, we need to make a currency that's different from America. And so, and so they then began to say, we're going to, we need to back it up. They don't. Nobody trusts us. So we'll back it with a percentage of gold, because everybody trusts gold. And in the meeting a, year ago in October, 22 nations met, and let me tell you this, Barack Obama, called every one of those nations and asked them to go to the BRIC conference in South Africa and to sign up on their commitment that they were going to go to switch from using American bonds as a source of security in their bank account.

>> Rick Green: Wow. He actually undermined our own currency by encouraging this.

>> Bob McEwen: And all 22 of those nations decided. And that's where we were headed. And had we lost this election, America's debt is now makes us vulnerable. They were developing an alternative, and the whole thing would have been a collapse. And one of the things that Donald Trump said, he wasn't in office 48 hours, he said, brick is dead. Brick is dead. Now what did he mean? He means that he's going to play hardball. He's going to keep them. He's not going to increase the American debt. Those people are playing their games. And this nation is not only coming back from the brink, it's now going to take off like a rocket. And people are not going to trust those other folks. And already Saudi Arabia and the others have reneged and they're going to stay on the American dollar. And every day we go by, it's going to get stronger and stronger.

>> Rick Green: So good. So good. So quick summary on that. Just make sure I understood that right. Like when you said, you know, the most trusted, that the American treasury bond, you know, that was one that you knew, America is going to pay this, they're going to be good for it, compared to other countries, you're just not too sure it's going to work. And it was because, it stayed steady at that 30% of the total, GDP. And then we ratcheted it up to 100% under Covid, and now President Trump is going to help get us back down to a reasonable level, which is why we keep hearing Elon and President Trump and all these other saying we have to get rid of the fraud and the waste and the abuse and we have to get that debt down. So we're, we're finally getting some sense about us and, and taking the, taking the right steps. Congressman Bobby Kewan. God bless you, brother. Thank you for coming on and sharing so much with us today.

Rick Green interviews Kevin Friedman about transactional gold

All right, that was Congressman Bob McEwen. While we're on the topic of economics, we've got Kevin Friedman with us. We're going to be talking about the, his book Pirate Money and of course, the efforts to get transactional gold passed in several states across the country. This is actually an interview I did with Kevin in the Tavern. As I mentioned, I guess it was last week or earlier this week. Can't remember. The, Tavern is a show that I do for Warrior Poet Society Network and also for Patriot U. If you haven't been to patriotyou.com, go check that out. But, the Tavern is essentially a place. We have conversations about the strategies and tactics that preserve freedom. And I named it that because the taverns of the revolutionary period were restaurants, not so much bars. It's not a place you go get drunk. It's a place you have conversations and have meals and place Washington said goodbye to his troops, where the Constitution was ratified first. ratified there in Delaware. A lot of good stuff happening in these taverns, especially the Sons of Liberty meeting and talking about, you know, their basically secret strategies and tactics to save the country. We don't have to make a secret anymore, but we do need to gather. And so I do this show, the Tavern, to bring in guys like Kevin Friedman to talk about those constitutional strategies and tactics to save the country. And this conversation is timely because, in fact, after this interview with Kevin, we finally got transactional goal passed in the first state. It was Arkansas that adopted it first. Now, I think there's three that have done it in just the last week or so. Texas is on the cusp, but I don't know if we'll get it done or not. We'll see. At any rate, very, very interesting conversation. Coming up for the rest of this segment and the final segment in our program today, here's Kevin Freeman in the Tavern.

Kevin Freeman was Rick Green's first guest in this new studio

Hey, welcome back to the Tavern. Kevin is in studio. You're not just like. We're not on screen, like, acting like we're.

>> Kevin Freeman: No, I'm not. Artificial intelligence. You are the actual in the first.

>> Rick Green: Person to be Kevin Freeman, the first actual in tavern guest that we ever had. Wow, isn't that cool?

>> Kevin Freeman: I'm honored. I was Glenn Beck's first guest in this new studio.

>> Rick Green: Well, I'm like one tenth of one tenth of one tenth of Glenn Beck studio. I mean, Glenn Beck's office.

>> Kevin Freeman: Oh, that's amazing. I had no idea you had all this.

>> Rick Green: Well, we're just putting it in so we, you know, we're kind of still putting things together. I got my J6 painting over there by McNaughton, and, then our Burning Constitution, which I feel much better about this part today than I did when we hung that three or four months ago.

>> Kevin Freeman: It is looking good.

>> Rick Green: Yeah. Thanks, man. Yeah, thank you. And maybe if we do well, Marnie will finally let me come to Liberty Hawk and, and visit your studio.

>> Kevin Freeman: You're welcome. Regardless of what she says, you're welcome.

>> Rick Green: Even if Marty says no.

>> Kevin Freeman: But you have to bring Kara, and then you're always welcome, and then it's done.

>> Rick Green: or Cameron, if I bring Cameron.

>> Kevin Freeman: Cameron is perfect.

>> Rick Green: She's been there with Kara.

>> Kevin Freeman: Yep.

>> Rick Green: Yeah. Marty lets them come. She won't let me come, by the way. Art. Ally, if you're watching. Look here, man. Timothy Plan. We're advertising for you.

>> Kevin Freeman: Right now.

>> Kevin Freeman: Yeah. And it's a nice shirt. The one you said. This is a nice one. You like it? I do like it.

It is still possible for Texas to pass transactional gold

>> Rick Green: All right, so listen, you're in town. You came and spoke to the Fredericksburg Tea Party. Had a good time last night.

>> Kevin Freeman: It was fabulous.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Kevin Freeman: Yeah. Great crowd. Great patriots. Fredericksburg is an amazing community.

>> Rick Green: It's a great place.

>> Kevin Freeman: It is. I mean, the true patriots here. And now with Patriot Academy, I mean, you can't get better. This. This is going to be a landmark in the state of Texas right here. Because Patriot Academy, I mean, they're going to start building monuments here. It's going to have tourist business here. It's going to be like Waco with Chip and Joanna Gaines.

>> Rick Green: Yes.

>> Kevin Freeman: Only it's going to be for liberty and not for home decorations.

>> Rick Green: You have to say Waco, though, because I already have people going. Is that David? Is that Rick Green? Like a David Koresh? Gu. Are they building a big cult?

>> Kevin Freeman: No, no, no. That wasn't even Waco. And that. That's so long ago. your good young audience doesn't even know.

>> Rick Green: They don't know. But we had a whole bunch of Fredericksburg people come out a couple weeks ago and had a reception over the chamber, which you got to see yesterday, and, you know, wine. We had a wonderful evening. And I can't tell you how many of them were like. We just wanted to make sure you weren't doing a, you know, cult.

>> Kevin Freeman: We weren't. No. 

>> Rick Green: Just because you call it Patriot, no.

>> Kevin Freeman: Kool Aid is served at the tavern. This is not a Kool Aid place.

>> Rick Green: Yes, that's exactly right. But Jesus is lor. Yeah, we'll make that clear. you're also. I have a bone to pick with you, man. I can't believe that you're gonna end up passing transactional gold in another state other than Texas. Before Texas.

>> Kevin Freeman: It is still possible for Texas to get it done.

>> Rick Green: Someone else beat Texas.

>> Kevin Freeman: Get on the phone, call Brian Hughes, call the lieutenant governor, call the governor, Florida, Utah boroughs. And, tell them that they. You want that here?

>> Rick Green: I wish it would be.

>> Kevin Freeman: It can be here.

>> Rick Green: No, I'm actually thankful that you're strategic enough to go do it in all these other states so that we can get it done.

>> Kevin Freeman: Texas can be first.

>> Rick Green: Still, we have to update everybody because this. First of all, you got to read Pirate Money. Get the book. I should have had your book out. I just moved in here, so I don't have. I did have your book on my desk. That desk right over there. At my other office in Dripping Springs. But somehow in the move, maybe Marnie can find it in one of those boxes and throw it at us.

>> Kevin Freeman: No, she can get one out of the car.

>> Rick Green: Yeah. By the time we're done, we'll have a pirate money book to show. But anyway, you need to read it. And what's the best way to help? I mean to get this done? We did a whole show on this about what it is. We'll remind you a little bit in a minute. But if you're this close in some of these states, what's the push like that we can do that voters in the state can do?

>> Kevin Freeman: First off, people need to know this is just another way to pay. If you use Zell or Venmo or PayPal, wouldn't, you like to be able to do that with gold or silver because they hold their value. So it's very, very simple. People complicate it too much. But it gives you the ch to be on a personal optional gold or silver standard. It avoids capital gains tax risks.

>> Rick Green: All the IRS reporting you have to do.

>> Kevin Freeman: Yes. Or the federal government trying to take the gold like they did in 1933, which was undoubtedly unconstitutional. but it's possible with simple legislation for Article 1, Section 10 money to be made, real. And all you got to do is go to transactionalgold.com, look@transactionalgold.com and see what efforts we have in your state. Because I know this covers you cover the nation with the Tavern and find out what's going on in your state and then contact your legislator. We actually have bill numbers being put in. We're keeping real time tab with great people like David Barton's pro, family legislative group, like the national association.

>> Rick Green: You probably ended up with. So I bet you ended up with some states filing as a result of. Absolutely not this last time, but the time before that and then this last time too.

>> Kevin Freeman: Absolutely. We met new people there and at nacl, national association of Christian Lawmakers, Jason Raper and we met people through the State Financial Officers foundation, like Marla Oakes, who's the treasurer in Utah, like the treasurer, John Fleming in, Louisiana, like Todd Russ in Oklahoma, like, actually Jimmy Petronas who's the CFO in Florida but is soon to be in Congress because he's running on the Republican ticket in a very conservative, I mean it's Matt Gaetz's seat, very conservative seat. And he's got President Trump's endorsement.

Kevin and Marnie are the brains behind Pirate Money

So we're not endorsing him it's just any, any honest observer will say, that guy's got a good shot at this. And the Republicans.

>> Rick Green: Look who just came in and brought us a Pirate Money book and a treasure map. Look at this. If you don't know Kevin and Marnie, you need to know Kevin and Marnie. But just know Marnie's the smart one. She's the brains behind the operation. It's like my marriage with Kara. She's got all the right, you know, background, all the right wisdom. We're just dancing chickens.

>> Kevin Freeman: And people like them.

>> Rick Green: And people like them. They don't like us. Yeah, it's true. Okay, tell us. Wait, first I gotta show the book.

>> Kevin Freeman: This is fun.

>> Rick Green: We should do this in person more. Kevin, Marnie's over here actually dancing, so she's the dancing chicken, too.

>> Kevin Freeman: We should have camera operator number seven, the guy running the big jib back there. He needs to turn and catch Marnie in the studio audience because this massive. I've never. I've been on Dr. Phil's set, and it's really nice, but you got him beat all over the place, all the way.

>> Rick Green: Okay, Pirate money right there. Now is your website where you want people to go to get it. And we'll start carrying a Patriot Academy, but we don't have it in the.

>> Kevin Freeman: Store yet, so you gotta pirate moneybook.com.

>> Rick Green: There it is. PirateMoneyBook.com. okay, I'm gonna admit once again, I think I did this when we were on before. I always do a constitution class. When I do a live class, I always start by saying, hey, I can be wrong. You gotta correct me. Iron. Sharpening iron. I learned more from Kevin about Article 1, Section 10, and how this works than I would have ever, I was wrong. And the first time I filmed my class, when I got to that part, I totally described it wrong. I didn't talk about this option, and that was 15 years ago. I'm, telling you, you got to read this book. I learned so much. And we're actually, you know, we've got clips of Kevin that we've been sharing with people and what we've been talking about and getting our coaches to talk about this around the country. So get the book and get educated on this. Tell us what this is.

From the beginning of the founding of this nation, gold and silver were money

>> Kevin Freeman: Well, this is a treasure map. But before we leave article one section, I want to tell you this is very important to understand. A continental note produced in Philadelphia in 1776. I have one as a keepsake. It's, a four dollar note. It says, this note's payable in four Spanish mill dollars, or the equivalent in gold and silver bullion. From the beginning of the founding of this nation, gold and silver were money. Now, you could have them coined and you could exchange coins, but if you didn't have any coins, you could use actual gold and silver bullion. And that's what our legislation's based on, that reality. And it's been documented in court cases, including Bronson vs. Roach, which is a cool court case. Can I tell you about that?

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Kevin Freeman: Wait, wait.

>> Rick Green: Just for the people that may have been new viewers that you were with us whenever Kevin was on, whenever that was two or three months ago, you don't have to carry the actual coins. That's what he's talking about, is you literally like a credit card. Same way you pay with any other credit card, but it's drawing on your gold and silver so you don't have to haul around bags of gold and silver. I just want to make sure they didn't.

>> Kevin Freeman: Which is people say, well, that's weird. You don't haul around your cash, do you? I mean, how much do you have in your wallet? Not enough versus how much you have in your bank account. So you don't carry a lot of cash. Most people know. So there's a debit card, and you put the gold and silver on deposit in Leander, which is not. I can't be far from here.

>> Rick Green: Not an hour and a half.

>> Kevin Freeman: Yeah, yeah. And Leander. And then they'll give you a debit card, and they'll keep track of what you spend and what you don't spend, just like the bank does with your debit card. Under the Constitution, a state can make gold and silver coins. They said they can't make anything other than gold and silver legal tender. And the reason for that was we have 13, states at the beginning, and they didn't want New York to have their gold coin to be 40% gold and 60% base metal. and then have New Jersey be a little bit different, and then have Virginia be a little bit different. They wanted it uniform.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Kevin Freeman: So they could only use gold and silver coins that they didn't mint. And they meant Spanish coins, Spanish mil dollars, or Spanish gold doubloons. It's also called a nescudo. A mil dollar was known as a piece of eight, and escudo was known as gold doubloon. So when you hear gold doubloons and pieces of eight, you think Captain Jack Sparrow, you think Long John Silver, you.

>> Rick Green: Think Blackbeard, you Think Reagan was here. He does a great Jack Sparrow. Could have inserted that. It would have been funny. But I'm terrible at it, so I'm not even trying.

The treasure map is all about pirate money and the Federal Reserve

>> Kevin Freeman: All right, so that's why we made a treasure map, because it's all about pirate money. And this is what the treasure map looks like. We get shipwrecked at Jekyll Island. And if you don't know what Jekyll island is, read the book Creature from Jekyll Island. It's about the founding of the Federal.

>> Rick Green: Reserve, which you actually went there last year.

>> Kevin Freeman: I did, yeah.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Kevin Freeman: It's an extra constitution. I mean, the Congress deeded their ability to coin money to the Federal Reserve, and they created this quasi governmental institution that's part private bank, part under government control, but they. They print and produce our money. Here's a question.

>> Rick Green: Terrible year, by the way. 1913 is when they did the income tax, 16th amendment, and they got rid of, you know, electing our senators through our legislature, 17th amendment, and the Fed, all in one year.

>> Kevin Freeman: What were they smoking? They. It was 1913, right? 13 is unlucky, right?

>> Rick Green: There it is. Yes.

Do we print money as a nation or does the government borrow money

>> Kevin Freeman: All right, so when they did this at Jekyll island, and they gave them this authority. I've got a real, real tough question for you.

>> Rick Green: oh.

>> Kevin Freeman: do we print money as a nation?

>> Rick Green: Do we print money? Yeah.

>> Kevin Freeman: Do we print money?

>> Rick Green: This is a trick question. No, we print a piece of paper. I don't know what the right question is.

>> Kevin Freeman: The answer is. Yeah, I mean, do we print dollar bills?

>> Rick Green: Yes, we do.

>> Kevin Freeman: All right. And the government can print as much as they want, right?

>> Rick Green: Unfortunately, yes.

>> Kevin Freeman: But, does the government also borrow money?

>> Rick Green: Yes.

>> Kevin Freeman: Why is it, if we print money, that we have to borrow money?

>> Rick Green: It's a great question. I don't know the answer. I had three in a row, and then. And then I'm stumped on the last one. I don't know why.

>> Kevin Freeman: Why is that? You know, Jared Bernstein, who was the number one economist under Joe Biden, was asked that question. He said, well, we definitely print money and we definitely loan that money. No. Is that what we do? We definitely print money and then we loan. No, we sell bonds. Yeah, that's what we do. We sell bonds. But that's borrowing. He couldn't answer it either. Okay, top economist.

>> Rick Green: But he worked for Biden. I don't want to be in that category. You just threw me in the category with Biden's economic advisors. No, I actually think it's because they actually know that if you print too much, you're going to devalue and all that or.

>> Kevin Freeman: No, the reason for it is to insert a bank in between.

>> Kevin Freeman: J.P. morgan and a bunch of bankers met on Jekyll island with Rock at the Rockefeller Mansion and they decided, how can we get control of the money supply? They took it away from the treasury, they, they put it in the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve then is the one that loans the money out. They borrow, the federal government borrows from them. They sell treasury bonds to the Federal Reserve and that's how they control monetary.

>> Rick Green: So not only do they make tremendous money being the go between, they actually get to control and manipulate the market as well.

>> Kevin Freeman: And that's how we got shipwrecked on Jekyll Island. The Federal Reserve has been the one responsible for enabling our government.

>> Rick Green: We got shipwrecked on, on Jekyll island.

>> Kevin Freeman: And so then we gotta find.

>> Rick Green: That's pretty good. We should get him a show.

>> Kevin Freeman: Yeah.

>> Rick Green: Can you think of a something like economic. I don't know, you're sort of like at war, so maybe economic war room.

>> Kevin Freeman: Oh, that would.

>> Rick Green: Who would anybody watch that?

>> Kevin Freeman: I hope so.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Kevin Freeman: In economicwarroom.com you can watch that show. Shine up. Sign Shine up. You know, I mean, sitting here in the tavern, what are we sign up to get our free economic battle plans@economic.

>> Rick Green: Boardroom.Com we really are just drinking sparkling water. We'll be right back. You're listening to At the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green.  

At the Core podcasts are available @ afr.net now back to At the Core on American Family Radio.

Welcome back to at the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green, Army Green, America's Constitution. Coach, thank. Thanks for staying with me. Segment three. And we're going to jump right back into my interview with Kevin Friedman. If you have not read his book, you need to Pirate money is the name of it. This was a radical transformation in my thinking of what states could do with regard to gold and silver as currency. It is catching fire. We've been working on this for years with Kevin and now we're suddenly getting some victories. It's kind of one of those overnight successes that took years and years and years. It's not truly an overnight success. Kevin and Marty Freeman have been pouring into this for years. We've been helping. it's just incredible. But now you've got Arkansas and several other states that have passed and I believe we'll see several more and it's going to be a very good tool for you and for me. To protect against the weakening of the dollar and many other economic issues. But let's jump back in with Kevin Freeman.

The Wizard of Oz was written as an economic allegory 125 years ago

>> Kevin Freeman: Here it is. All right, so you start. You get shipwrecked at Jekyll Island. You go past the Emerald City, which is the story of the wizard of Oz. Most people don't know this wizard of Oz was written as an economic allegory. It was written in the year 1900, 125 years ago ago.

>> Rick Green: What are the red by L front?

>> Kevin Freeman: There were no ruby red slippers.

>> Rick Green: There weren't.

>> Kevin Freeman: not in the book. That's in the movie M. Hollywood. So what was. Dorothy was trying to get back to Kansas.

>> Rick Green: Yes.

>> Kevin Freeman: In other words, people felt that America was off because we didn't have proper money anymore. And how do I get back to where I was? Well, she gets attacked by the Wicked witch of the Northeast, which represents the bankers.

>> Rick Green: And this is only 20, 30 years after. Right, after 1913, whenever.

>> Kevin Freeman: No, this is 190013 years before.

>> Rick Green: It's before.

>> Kevin Freeman: Before the Federal Reserve. So we had greenbacks.

>> Rick Green: Now I'm confused.

>> Kevin Freeman: All right, so in the greenbacks in the Civil War, you know, Lincoln basically produced unbacked paper money.

>> Rick Green: Okay.

>> Kevin Freeman: And the, the south did, too. Confederate dollars. And they just printed a bunch of money, and it created an economic hardship in the nation.

>> Rick Green: Okay.

>> Kevin Freeman: And so in 1900, they were trying to get back to real America.

>> Rick Green: And what's the wooden neighborhood?

>> Kevin Freeman: Yeah, With a nickel. There you go.

>> Rick Green: Different story. Sorry. If you would stop interrupting me, Rick, we could probably.

>> Kevin Freeman: It's a lot funnier when Rick interrupts, isn't it? It's much better.

All right, so Dorothy wanted to get home to normal America

All right, so Dorothy wanted to get home to normal America. And how's she gonna do it? Well, they told her to follow the yellow brick road. Who wanted to stop her? The Wicked witch of the Northeast. The bankers sending out the flying monkeys, representing lawyers. You're not a lawyer. You're not a lawyer.

>> Rick Green: Right.

>> Kevin Freeman: Oh, geez. I'll put it to you. I. I've got to dumb this down again. I've got to make it even. Even more basic. No, you send out the. The flying monkeys as lawyers. If I start paying you cash on an hourly basis, I know you'll listen, because that's all lawyers are good for.

>> Rick Green: You're right. You're right. Can we sign a representation agreement?

>> Kevin Freeman: So she's gonna follow the yellow brick road. That's gold. And she wore silver, slippers. So it's a gold and silver standard. it's called the wizard of Ounce Oz. I get It Oz. And then she stops by the Emerald City, which is here.

>> Rick Green: Okay.

>> Kevin Freeman: And she finds out that's where the greenbacks are produced. They're green like the emerald. And she wants to know if the central bankers have any authority behind the curse curtain or are they just making up fake money. And she finds out the wizard has nothing back behind the curtain.

>> Rick Green: So it's all a sham.

>> Kevin Freeman: It's all a sham. So she had to figure out how to get past that. And that is she was there with a farmer, the scarecrow, the Tin man, the factory worker, and even the large. The Tea Party of their day was a teetotaler movement. Actually right at toto. That was the nickname for the teetotalers.

>> Rick Green: No kidding. Did you know that, P.T. barnum was a teetotaler? I'm sorry, I know I'm sidetracked.

>> Bob McEwen: Anyway.

>> Rick Green: Go ahead.

>> Kevin Freeman: Well, he needed to stay sober because he was fleecing everybody.

>> Rick Green: He made a bunch of his money back going out and giving speeches on the temperance tour. No, I didn't know that.

>> Kevin Freeman: I had no idea.

>> Rick Green: Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I know I'm sidetracking.

>> Kevin Freeman: I didn't get that.

The ultimate goal is state based economic freedom

What was that movie? Yeah, what was that movie that they just did?

>> Rick Green: The one that that what's his name? You know.

>> Kevin Freeman: Yeah. Wolverine.

>> Rick Green: What's his.

>> Kevin Freeman: Hugh Jackman. Yeah.

>> Rick Green: Hugh Jackman. Yes. No, it's great. The Greatest Showman.

>> Kevin Freeman: That's the greatest showman. But he, he didn't have that in there.

>> Rick Green: He was a state rep. He was PT Barn. He was a state rep. And he And he voted for the 13th amendment. He actually helped to ratify the end of slavery.

>> Kevin Freeman: Well, that's awesome. Anyway, I know you were a state rep.

>> Rick Green: yes, but I didn't.

>> Kevin Freeman: You're not the Greatest show. Don't break out singing. M. I don't want to hear it.

>> Rick Green: Don't want me to sing. Yeah.

>> Kevin Freeman: Okay. So they go past the Emerald City. then you go through the. In you pass the influence inflation. Tidal wave inflation. The taxation quicksand. The BRICS nations trying to destroy our current currency. The ultimate goal is state based economic freedom. That's the treasure. Because our economy was not intended to be controlled by the federal government. It was. Every state has their own economy. Texas is good at energy and a whole lot of other things. But if you leave it to the national government, then they're going to be infringing on a lot of what Texas is doing.

>> Rick Green: Well, if we do separate it, if we pass this transactional gold in separate states Would you then have a choice where you, you know which card or which source you would use?

>> Kevin Freeman: Because interstate commerce allows you to do business across state lines. That's the purpose of the interstate commerce clause is to keep states going to war against each other. It was to open up, it was not to control the through the epa, the wetlands and all that. That's just nonsense. But this is state based economic freedom where if the federal government goes off the rails making too much money, you can hold gold and silver and use it like money and the state will protect it. That's the whole, that is the entire message of the book. Pirate Money. Discovering the Founders hidden plan for economic justice and defeating the Great Reset. And when George Washington threw a dollar across the river and it wasn't the Potomac, it was the Rappah River. And they actually have history to show this. They actually tested it. Did you know that?

>> Rick Green: No, I didn't know that.

>> Kevin Freeman: A hundred years ago.

>> Rick Green: I need to do a Chasing American Legends episode on this.

>> Kevin Freeman: You should.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Kevin Freeman: One hundred and some years ago they got the the best baseball pitcher to see if he could throw a dollar across. It was not a piece of paper with George's picture on it wadded up. It was a silver dollar. And you guess what, you can throw it across the river.

>> Rick Green: Skipping it.

>> Kevin Freeman: No, no, you just got to throw it across. But not the Potomac. That would be a little hard. It was the Rappahannock River and he did. Apparently there's legend is absolutely been Mythbusters style. plausible, plausible, plausible.

>> Rick Green: Oh wait, I gotta go back to the. Having the transactional gold to protect us against an out of control federal monetary m policy. Even with a Trump type in office, even with good policy for a few years here, 37 trillion in debt, all of the economic chickens are going to come home to roost. Right, right. This is a protection for your personal wealth and so that the economy doesn't fall apart.

>> Kevin Freeman: And let me be clear. We're not trying to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Somebody might try to do that and I might even support it. But that's not what we're trying to do.

>> Rick Green: You don't have to do that.

>> Kevin Freeman: We're trying to give states the option to have their own currency as the Constitution allowed. So up until 1857 I think it was in the Coinage Act. Any state can make Spanish milled dollars and gold doubloons legal tender.

>> Rick Green: And what year was that?

>> Kevin Freeman: I think it was 1857 was the currency Act. And at that, here's what happened. They literally Said, we will now mint our own currency at the federal level, and therefore, we will not allow you to use foreign coins anymore. So anyone who has a foreign coin, you need to bring it in, and we will melt it down, recast it, and give you a US Version of that. And the people did not trust that they were going to put as much silver in the new coin as it was in the old coin. So people just didn't count. They didn't bring them, and they didn't. They hoarded them. And so there were contracts that were written for gold and silver coins.

Bronson and Rhodes had an agreement to pay each other in gold coins

And so, like, you and I had an agreement, and I said, you know, I'll pay you in 10 years, and I will pay you X number of gold coins. So many ounces of gold. And, let's say 10 years past, and there aren't any coins around. So I said, well, I'll pay you in legal tender. This piece of paper says, this note is legal tender for all debts, public and private. So I'm going to pay you back. And you said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We have a contract. I want the gold coins. Oh, no, no, this is just as good. You would be Bronson, and I would be Rhodes. And Bronson decided to sue.

>> Rick Green: Rhodes knew he would get back to that case all the way up to.

>> Kevin Freeman: The Supreme Court Court, sue them all the way to the Supreme Court and Supreme Court. Look, Bronson and Rhodes, and they had this incredible ruling. They said, hey, buddy, pay them in gold or silver. But no, there are no coins. You don't have to give them coins. A, bullion is just as good. Because what's the value of a coin other than it being a certain weight and a certain purity of gold or silver and a stamp on it that says the weight and purity. So just pay them the same amount in gold or silver. And Rhodes says, oh, shoot, I can't give him worthless paper. I have to actually give him gold and silver. That ruling makes this possible.

>> Rick Green: And it's Bronson versus Rhodes. Rhodes, we gotta get this done, man. We gotta get this done, folks.

Transactional goal. Constitutional currency. Where's the link for keeping up with legislation

All right. Piratemoney.com piratemoney.com Pirate Money Book. Well, wait a minute. Where's the link for keeping up with legislation? That's transactional.

>> Kevin Freeman: Transactional gold. Or for you, constitutional currency.org constitutional currency. Because you'll remember that, because everybody that listens to this knows the Constitution. Constitutional currency.org or transactionalgold.com they go to the very same place.

>> Rick Green: And the good thing is, by the time this actually airs, there'll be wonderful little, you know, at the bottom of the screen. And it's already passed over our faces.

>> Kevin Freeman: Our friend Ken Ivory got a portion of this passed in Utah just last week. Now we got to get the governor to sign it. Yes.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Kevin Freeman: All right.

>> Rick Green: Good stuff happening. And, by the way, oh, wait, before we go, tell us about Liberty Hawk Ranch, because I mentioned it at the beginning and I don't think we talked about that in our last.

>> Kevin Freeman: Liberty Hawk Ranch is dedicated to promoting liberty, security and values for Americans. And we're working with a bunch of organizations like we love Patriot Academy. We, love, Paul Blair and Liberty Pastors. We love, citizens, Defending Freedom with Steve Maxwell. And we're working to help all of them. And we're sponsored by our friends Timothy Plan, and Patriot Mobile. And we're working to help all of them grow their audience and take back this nation for Christ.

>> Rick Green: Amen. Amen. Lots of work to do.

Kevin Freeman: It is a difficult process to pass constitutional legislation

>> Rick Green:  Glad to have Kevin Freeman in the tavern. We'll be back in just a minute. Well, that was Kevin Freeman joining me for a Tavern interview. Once again. You can watch the Tavern at Warrior Poets Society Network or at Patriot U and often have guests like Kevin and John Amanchuku and, and John Lovell and all these folks coming in to talk about the strategies and tactics that can save the nation. And this is one of them, and it's a constitutional process and it is great to see the victories. Now, of course, as we were doing the interview there in the Tavern with Kevin, that was prior to the passage in Arkansas and these other states that are now following suit. And so we were still working to get the first state to pass. It was close at the time we did the interview, but not quite over the hump. And so, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Governor of Arkansas, signed that just a few days ago. just a tremendous, tremendous victory. And now Florida, Texas and several other states following right behind. So this is, you know, I think one of the things that we, I guess, have done such a bad job in our education at, ah, doing is not just the civics education, but the economics education and understanding what makes a good economy. frankly, even the things like tariffs that we've talked about today and you, know, some of these things that maybe we thought, you know, that's too far in the weeds or too much to teach in schools now. And so we just got away from it when we dumbed down the education. And we all need to learn more about this. I mean, that's why I love listening to people like Bob McEwen and Kevin Freeman and others, and getting the chance to learn from them is because, number one, they're great at teaching it in a way that I can understand it. Let's just be honest. on economics, I'm a Milton Friedman guy. I think he was the greatest economist of the last century. My, son's favorite economist is Thomas Sowell. He's my second favorite. But I think what made Milton Friedman so incredibly powerful was how he could whimsically explain these economic issues. And that's really a, lot of what Bob McEwen does as well, and Kevin Freeman. So I think this has been good for all of us to listen to these interviews, to learn these things. If you want to dive a little deeper and you want to get further into understanding how the Republic works, not just on the economic side, but even the electoral process and just the legislative process, being able to pass bills, what does it take to actually take an idea, get a legislator to adopt that idea, get that bill into the system, and then get enough colleagues of that legislator to vote for it and support it all the way through the process? From getting. Getting the speaker to assign it the right to committee, to getting that committee to have a hearing, getting the chairman to be willing to have a hearing, to getting enough members on that committee to vote for that bill, to get it out of that committee and then get it into calendars and then get it set on the House floor, the Senate floor. If you're starting over there and then get it passed, in that chamber, then get it, start all over when you get to the other chamber and get it passed there, and then get the governor to sign it. I mean, it is a lengthy, difficult process. And so sometimes we get mad at our legislators for not getting something done quickly. And we don't realize it is tough to pass a bill. And it should be tough. We don't want it to be easy. We want it to be tough because you're talking about the law of the land. And so you want it to be a difficult process so that only the cream of the crop rises to the top. At least that's what you hope for. In order to get a bill passed, you have to get a significant majority of your state to support that. If you want to learn that process better, you need to come spend a couple of days with me at the Patriot Academy campus. The Patriot Experience is designed for exactly that. We've been doing this 25 years now, doing some sort of legislative simulation, either in A state capitol, which we started in Texas, did it for 10 years just at the capitol in Texas. Then we started going to Idaho and Arizona and Delaware and Florida and now, Indiana and Colorado and all over the country. But our Texas one, it grew so much that we actually built our own capitol, our own house chamber and legislative hall at the Patriot Academy campus so that you could come any time of the year. And right now we're doing it about once a month where we have what we call the Patriot experience. And you can bring your family. You can have 13 and up, 13 years old and up can be a legislator for those three days. And it's actually kind of fun to do it with your family. I've seen grandparents come with their grandkids and go through the process. Parents and their older children. It's a great system for really experiencing the republic, really experiencing what it's like to be in a legislative simulation. And it's going to make you better at talking to your state rep or your state senator or taking an idea you might have and getting it put into legislation or maybe just standing up and front of a school board or a city council and testifying. I can promise you 100% after 25 years of doing this, that this legislative simulation, this Patriot experience that we do, that we're very good at doing, this is what God's gifted us to do at Patriot Academy. It will make you a better citizen, 100% guaranteed. It'll make you more effective. And who knows but that God will put some sort of calling on your life while you're here with us and going through that experience to get even more involved in the system, but at a minimum, simply become a better citizen. So check that out today@patriotacademy.com come for one of our programs and send your young people to one of the state capitol programs and let's start passing that torch of freedom. This is the. We're right on the cusp of the 250th, so it's time to do it right now.

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