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President Trump endorsed Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton this week

I'm Rick Green, America's constitutional coach. Appreciate you joining us today, man. So much going on in my home state of Texas for sure, but also across the country. I mean, Kentucky. He saw Congressman Thomas Massie be defeated. Ah, big campaign by not just President Trump, but really the entire White House team. I think, Pete Hegseth flew in and campaigned against Massie. I don't know much about. I know the guy that won the race is Navy seal, but that's about all I know about him. But no question, this is a big deal because it, well, not just in that race, but across the country. There were a lot of races anywhere that President Trump endorsed. I think he was undefeated this week, so tons of victories. And then he's endorsed this week Ken Paxton in the race for U.S. senate in Texas. So I think these are big moves. I think they're important. I think it shows that the Trump agenda, not just President Trump himself, but the Trump agenda is extremely popular and that people want to see it get done and they're frustrated. I'm frustrated with a U.S. senate. Ah, that is just doing nothing. And even Jon Cornyn this week, in response to President Trump's endorsement of Ken Paxton, said something about just look at all the stuff that we've done the last six months. Really? Like what? I mean, come on, are you kidding me? The fact that the SAVE act has not been passed by the United States Senate tells you how inept they are and tells you that the anti Trump agenda agenda, which I would argue is very clearly the constitutional Christian conservative agenda. I mean, if you look at the things that President Trump has done in the last 15 months has been the most constitutional, conservative, Christian agenda that I have ever seen from a president in my lifetime. And I think I could make a decent argument in American history. I'm not kidding. I mean, I really believe that what Trump has done and accomplished in the last 15 months has been as good as any president in history in their presidential powers. What they've done to move the country back in the right direction, get us back on track, get us back within constitutional jurisdictions for the federal government, get us back to a God consciousness. I mean, that's huge. I mean, I'm looking at my book, Rebuilding Liberty and the 12 Steps to Recovery for the country, and it's like, I mean, boom, boom, boom, right down the list. President Trump has done things specifically going in that direction for that agenda. And so for Jon Corner to say, look at what we've done the last six months, what you've done is, is everything except the Trump agenda and what the American people have been calling for. So I think Cornyn's gonna lose next week. I think Ken Paxton will win. I was hoping he would. Anyway. I'm actually headed to an event today for, Ken Paxton that I'm helping to co host. We already had it on the agenda and scheduled prior to President Trump's endorsement. We were hoping this endorsement would happen. In fact, I would argue that Ken Paxton's move that ultimately led to this was probably one of the most brilliant political moves I have seen him in lifetime. If you don't recall this race in Texas, you know, Cornyn's been in the Senate forever, and Paxton's been a fantastic Attorney General with some, you know, serious personal life issues, but has delivered incredibly well as Attorney General for Texas and for the. And for the country. Probably the best. Well, no doubt the best attorney general in the country and probably would have been the US Attorney General if it hadn't been for the Pam Bondi thing. And then by the time, you know, she was fired, the Texas race was, you know, Ken was already way into the Texas race and very close to winning. So he challenged Jon Cornyn, who, again, has been in the Senate forever. Texas has. I mean, Ted Cruz is fantastic. He's a model US Senator. And what we want more of, Jon Cornyn's the opposite. He's a GOP Republican in name only, Senator that has publicly acted like he's with us on most things. And his voting record, at the end of the day, once you get things to a vote in the Senate, is pretty decent when you just look at it on paper. But that's not where most of the real work happens in the Senate behind the scenes. He has been terrible. He's cut us off at the knees. He's been awful when it comes to, you know, the controlling all the Senate fund, the Republican Senate, senatorial committee funds and supporting only RINOs across the country and not conservatives that were running for U.S. senate. He's been so bad that I actually created a draft David Barton for US Senate campaign back in 2014 and tried to get David Barton to run for the U.S. senate. M my very good friend and colleague host, his radio program. I've been with Walbulers and David Barton for 25 years. But I did this without his permission. I went out and started recruiting people to help draft David to run for U.S. senate and just started ginning up support all over the state of Texas and across the country. And it actually created, you know, there was quite a groundswell for it. People were very excited about it and, and then went to David and said hey man, all these people want you to run. And yes, I did this, but would you please consider this? And he and the family considered it. They came very close to running. It was you know, it was, it was basically a decision that, that you know, there were too many other things that, that you know, David has tremendous influence and the culture and, and had very important work to do with wall builders and had to make that cost benefit analysis and came down on the side of, of, of continuing to do wall builders full time and not going into the Senate at that time. And, and anyway so, so that's how much you know, that's a long time ago, that's 12 years ago. Cornyn has won two races since then and, and you know, was going to probably win this race if somebody like Ken Paxton didn't step up and, and run this time around. Okay, so a close race that we had a three way race in the primary. Wesley ah, Hunt was the third candidate and Cornyn and Paxton were neck and neck but neither got 50%. So we're in a runoff. And the runoff voting has already started in Texas, started on Monday of this week and the runoff will actually be next Tuesday on the 26th. So this a really late endorsement by Trump. But here's what happened. So right when the runoff began and you got to understand Jon, Cornyn has spent about 100 million to try in just the primary to try to get yet another term like when is enough for people, don't they? Isn't there a time to exit stage left this guy's in his mid-70s. He's already, you know, clearly showing signs of aging. He's not quite as bad as McConnell having to be, you know, wheeled around or falling off the stages, but he's clearly not all there like he was, you know, 10 years ago, which we all age. I mean, come on. I mean, you know, everybody but Trump. I mean, he's the one guy that has hit 80 and doesn't show it at all. You'd think he's still 60, but. But Corning clearly is. Show and just have some humility and say, okay, my time's up. I've been in the Senate for. I mean, I think he's been there nearly 30 years. Maybe he's 24, but it's more than two decades, way, way too long. So, anyway, here's what it looks like could happen. I mean, certainly with these Trump endorsements meaning so much and having, having such an influence.

I think President Trump endorsed Ken Paxton in Texas Senate race

Same thing in the Kentucky Senate race. I mean, you had Cameron, the Attorney General, from there, who I actually like and have been impressed with, but he was kind of the McConnell machine guy. And then Trump endorsed the other guy, and the other guy won big, like two thirds. So I think that'll happen in this, in this Paxton Cornyn race on Tuesday, which means that that's another person that has, that has, you know, Cornyn has blocked the Trump agenda behind the scenes. That will be gone now, granted, not until the end of the year. And Paxton still got a win against this, this, this heretic, Talarico. I don't say that lightly. I mean, this guy is an absolute false prophet, in every way you can, you can possibly think of. Talari and the Democrats have nominated him. So I think Paxton will blow him out of the water in November, no matter how much money they spent. But Cornyn spent $100 million to try to hold onto his seat. Think about it. That money could have been spent in other races around the country to get a stronger Senate majority for the Republicans, but Cornyn wasted it on himself in order to stay way longer than he should have in the U.S. senate. So I just think such a, such a non. Patriot. He's the opposite of a patriot. He is a politician who thinks only of himself. A patriot thinks of the country. And Ken Paxton was actually willing get out of the race as a patriot if Cornyn would just get the SAVE act passed. And that's what I meant when I say the most brilliant political move ever was that Trump started signaling that he was going to do an Endorsement way back, right after the primary, after March 3rd. And people thought it could potentially be Cornyn, that he was going to stick with Cornyn, because, let's face it, Trump is terrible at endorsements and sometimes does that, sometimes endorses, because he's only getting information from the party people. And, I mean, it's impossible for him to personally know all the different races out there. And he loves Paxton. I mean, he's talked very, good about Paxton over the years, and they've worked together on a lot of things. but it looked like he might endorse Cornyn. So Paxton posts back in March, hey, I'll get out of the race if Cornyn will get the SAVE act passed, because it's the most important piece of legislation of our lifetime. We absolutely have to get this done in order to restore integrity in elections and actually have only legal citizens voting and know, who's actually going in and voting. Stuff you would think would be common sense, but we cannot even get it passed out of the Senate. The votes are there, but you got this ridiculous, you know, zombie filibuster being used to let the minority control instead of the majority, which I've ranted about here on the program, and I won't go into all that. So Paxton says, I'll get out if Cornyn will get the SAVE act passed and if the GOP will move this and get it done. Well, Cornyn then comes out for getting rid of the zombie filibuster for this one vote. publicly, that's what he says. But it doesn't get. So you can't. I mean, it was the perfect. Throwing down the gauntlet doesn't get done. So Paxton stays in the race, gets seen as the patriot in the race. Cornyn looks like either he doesn't have any juice, he's got no power in the Senate. And so if he can't get stuff done, then why should he be reelected? or he's not truly working for the SAVE act to get it done. And so here we are, still stuck with, elections, easy to cheat. And so Paxton, by doing that, I think that turned the, runoff his direction. and now with Trump coming out and endorsing him, that's just huge here at the last minute as everybody's starting to go early vote. So it's just been an incredible week for Trump, for President Trump in these primary elections, and I think next week will prove to be the exact same thing. So a lot of good people that won these primaries. congrats to my Friend Josh Clark out there and Georgia are going to be back in the house again. And just a lot of folks that I think had ah, a good showing this week and we'll see what happens next week with the Texas runoff, and the outcome of that. So anyway, that was the biggest thing in the news that I definitely wanted to cover. I've got a couple of interviews I'm going to share with you. I was at a fantastic conference called Liberty Pastors this last week. I go to these, I don't know, we do maybe one every two or three months and a lot of great speakers come in, but most importantly, a lot of pastors come in and they get equipped, they get prepared for going back and speaking to cultural issues from a biblical perspective. And I took some microphones with me this time and was able to grab a couple of my favorite people out in the lobby between speeches and had a chance to visit with them. Bill Federer first up, caught up with him on some of the things that are happening right now. And KCarl Carl Smith, we're going to talk about his book, which is all about basically Frederick Douglass versus Karl Marx. Let's jump into Bill Federer first before we go to break.

Rick Green and Bill Federer discuss persecution of Christians ahead of midterm elections

Here we go. Just ran into our good friend Bill Federer. Hey brother. Hey Ricky. Good to be with you. Well, I'm looking forward to getting a couple of days with you here with these Liberty Pastors. We're sowing some good stuff into these folks.

>> Bill Federer: Amen. Amen.

>> Rick Green: Go back home and preach to their congregations. And they're getting a lot of good, good truth.

>> Bill Federer: Well, it's critical, you know, with these midterms coming up, people don't realize that if the, the left can, if, you know, if they pull it out, it's going to be impeachment at Trump. They're going to go after his cabinet. They're going to go after the moms who protest their kids being transitioned. As, you know, when they're at a school board meeting, they're going to go after pro life Catholics again. It's most of the world history Christians have been persecuted. We've been the exception. And we need to wake up as many people, you know, when Charlie was on track, Charlie Kirk was on track to get all the young people out to vote. And I think they did a psyops to deflate all of that energy into conspiracy media. And well, it had been a

>> Rick Green: huge shift, especially in young men right in, in the 2024 election. So he was clearly being very successful, at turning that vote. Our mutual friend Nassar Hassan, you just had him on the phone as we. As we were talking and, talk about, you know, persecution of Christians and the silencing of the Christian voice. Sounds like London. I don't want to say London has fallen, but let's just say that massive defeats, in their election last week are m. Muslim victories.

>> Bill Federer: Yeah. So for those that are not familiar, Rick Greene had myself and Frank Afne and Nassar Hussein, he is a Pakistani in London who converted to Christianity and mentioned it to a friend who went out and said, don't call me again, and tells everybody he's Christian. And there's security cameras of him on this walking down the street. And then a car pulls up. They get out with baseball bats, and they're like, pummeling him.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: And then the police don't do anything. And then it happens again. And then they have little, you know, flats that they live in, but you sort of park with a. You know, a gate opens and you park your car. They climb over the gate and they throw brick through his car windows and they firebomb his cars and. And so much that the insurance companies won't give him any insurance. And so he and his family had to flee at 3am in M. The morning. This is like Birmingham, England. And so he started a movement called Legalize Apostasy. Make it legal that you can leave Islam and not get killed.

>> Rick Green: Yeah. Which, you know, it should be the case with any religion. Right. That's. Isn't that how you tell the difference between a culture cult and a religion? An actual religion is that if you leave that. That's okay. You're allowed to. You're choosing to leave. If you. If you leave and we're going to pummel you or kill you, that. That's not a religion that we would want to have, you know, prospering in our country.

>> Bill Federer: Yeah, it's a cult activity. It gives you emotional support when you join, and they're all smiles, but if you leave, they ostracize you. And in. In the. This gang concept, it's called blood In, Blood Out.

>> Rick Green: Well, that's a cliffhanger to leave it on as we take a break. We'll be right back. You're listening to At the Core with Walk a Wildmon and a Rick Reed.

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Bill Federer: 600 Muslims just got elected through consular positions

Welcome back At the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green, I'm Rick Green, America's constitution coach. And we went to break right in the middle of an interview with Bill Federer that I just grabbed a couple of days ago, literally in the lobby of a hotel in Wichita, Kansas, where we were at the liberty pastors event. A fantastic event. Let's jump back in with Bill Federer.

>> Bill Federer: Right. So the Ms. 13 gang, to join the gang, you got to kill an innocent person.

>> Rick Green: Wow.

>> Bill Federer: And show that you have no conscience. And then to leave the gang, they kill you. Wow. You cannot leave. And so in Islam, if you kill innocent people, you get part of the booty. But if you want to leave Islam, they kill you.

>> Rick Green: Wow.

>> Bill Federer: It is so basically Muhammad, the dynamics of it is in Arabia, they had gangs, they called them clans or tribes, but it had this gang like, dynamic to it. And, and he just promised booty in the next life. And, and so imagine if the MS.13 gang simply started calling itself a religion.

>> Rick Green: Right?

>> Bill Federer: Right. Like, oh, oh, you're a religion now. Well, I guess we can let you

>> Rick Green: welcome you in now.

>> Bill Federer: Yeah, you can, you can take over neighborhoods and have your own vigilante justice and, sex traffic 9 year olds. And matter of fact, we can even teach Ms. 13 in schools. We'll give you your own little, you know, you can have your own dress, the baggy pants and the tattoo, you know, that wouldn't make sense.

>> Rick Green: And if you're against Ms. 13 doing all those things, you're a. Yeah, yeah.

>> Bill Federer: If anybody would protest that you're a hateful person.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: but, but yeah. So Nassar Hussein called me on WhatsApp on my way to the conference here and he said 600 Muslims just got elected through their, they call them consular positions, but they're like, they're state reps,

>> Rick Green: basically local, what we would think of as either a county commissioner or maybe even state rep. State legislator.

>> Bill Federer: Yeah. And, and then he said they have, 25, Muslim MPs, so there's like 600 MPs, which would be our, our congressmen.

>> Rick Green: Yeah, yeah.

>> Bill Federer: And, and 25 of them are outspoken Muslims. But if he says that if you listen to their speech, they'll give one speech in English saying it's all tolerance and love.

>> Rick Green: Right.

>> Bill Federer: They'll give a, speech to their Muslim audience and say, we're one step closer to taking over England. We're going to get a majority in the parliament, we're going to enact Sharia law.

>> Rick Green: And isn't that true here too, though? We've seen the videos of these imams and others essentially saying, you know, we're going to be peaceful for now. It's cultural jihad for now. But we will submit them. M. Ultimately, we will take over America. We're going to take over Congress, we're going to take over. I mean, they have telegraphed their plans.

>> Bill Federer: Yeah. And Jack Hibbs at Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills was telling me that, there's a Muslim woman now running for mayor of Los Angeles.

>> Rick Green: Oh, wow.

>> Bill Federer: And he's like, if she gets in, it'll be like Manzami on the West Coast. And then Stier, if I'm saying his name correctly, Thom, maybe. Thom.

>> Rick Green: Thom Steyer. I did see Jack's video on this. Apparently the Muslims are all supporting him.

>> Bill Federer: Yeah. Care. This is a designated terrorist group supporting

>> Rick Green: a candidate for governor openly.

>> Bill Federer: This Democrat billionaire. And so if he gets in, he's going to be indebted to him.

>> Rick Green: Wow.

>> Bill Federer: And, you know, one of the things I observed in reading and writing on Islam, there were three Jewish tribes in Medina and they had inter tribal warfare. They had like Trump derangement syndrome against each other. And when the Muslims first come in m. Muhammad picked on one of the tribes and the other one sort of stood back and said, ah, they were competition for me, they had to come in. You know, and then, I mean, it's like high school rivalry.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: Of Cities in West Texas. Yeah, I hate that other cities team. And then they picked on the second one, and the big one stood back until the last one standing. He surrounds them and then brings them into the city, chops off their heads. But then you look at Egypt. You had Coptic Christians in Egypt were being persecuted by the Byzantine Christians of Constantinople. And when Amir IBN Alas, the Muslim leader, comes to the borders of Egypt with his cavalry, he says, we'll help you drive out those terrible Byzantine Christians. They're like, oh, thanks. You know, and all they come in, they take over, then they cut out the tongues of anybody caught speaking Coptic. And then, they conquer all of North Africa. And then Spain in, seven, 11, Tariq lands with 80,000 cavalry. And there's a bunch of kingdoms, Visigothic Christian kingdoms, that hate each other. And so he'd pick on one, and the other ones would stand back and he'd pick on another one, the other ones. And so in 10 years, they conquered all Spain. And then you look at, in 1400s, the Muslims are surrounding Constantinople. And they've had a thousand years of politics. And the, last emperor was Constantine xi. And his brother Demetrius felt like he should have been chosen as the last emperor. Of course, they didn't know it's going to be the last. but Demetrius goes across the Bosporus, gathers the Muslim hordes, brings them to the walls of Constantinople to try to force his brother, Constantine xi, to recognize his claim to royalty.

>> Rick Green: So they have been masters throughout history at manipulating and taking advantage of our internal conflicts, you know, in terms of Christendom. Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: And so then you have, in the early 1500s, the king of France is Francis I. He's captured in a battle by Spain, Charles V. The same Charles V that stood there at trial with Martin Luther. Anyway, so here the king of France is a prisoner of the king of Spain. After a couple concessions, the king of Spain lets him go. Well, Francis I goes directly to the Muslim sultan, Suleiman the Magnificent, and says, you hate Spain, we hate Spain. Let's do a Franco Ottoman treaty. It goes on for three centuries. And so France is always upgrading the Muslim Ottoman military. Matter of fact, Napoleon was being sent as on an assignment to upgrade the Ottoman artillery. And Napoleon's genius was artillery.

Bill Federer looks at history of America's relationship with Muslims

Cannons on wheels. He refused, and he resigned from the military. and they finally, you know, shuffled things around and let him stay in and didn't send them over. But think if.

>> Rick Green: But he saw the war, he understood the danger of doing that.

>> Bill Federer: Yeah, yeah, that plus he Wanted. He knew.

>> Rick Green: Sure.

>> Bill Federer: He wanted glory.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: But imagine if Napoleon's artillery expertise could have been at the hands of the Ottoman sultans. And then you fast forward to World War I. You had the German siding with the Turks against the British siding with Persia or Iran. In 1908, Persia, and England formed the Anglo Iranian Oil Company, better known as BP.

>> Rick Green: I didn't know that.

>> Bill Federer: And the Germans didn't have any oil, so they made a treaty with the Turkey because they had Kirkuk, oil. And, Anyway, but here, the Middle east, the Persians were Shiite, and the. The Turks were Sunni. but again, you have this. Generations of the French and English not liking each other. Now it's being overlaid over the Middle East. And then even fast forward to the Cold War, and you have the, United States arming and training the Taliban in 1988, to fight the Soviet Afghan War. So we're arming after the Taliban to fight those terrible Soviets. And of course, the Taliban says, well, hey, we can do this.

>> Rick Green: Thanks for teaching us that. Now we'll use it against you.

>> Bill Federer: And then, you know, so. So the dynamics in America right now, we have Republicans and Democrats.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: And. And the Democrats have the Trump arrangements. And it's like we hate the Republicans so bad. And then the Muslims come along, says, hey, we'll help you. They go, great, reinforcements. All right. And they're happy to work together with us. but then I was in South Texas. I was in Sugar Land, Texas, and, Pastor Andy Wood, and he was explaining to me how the Republican Party was reaching out to the Muslims and having, hey, we got some. They'll join our party. And it's like, we don't realize that they have their own agenda. It's like a pinball. They'll bounce off either party as long as they can help advance their ultimate goal of Sharia.

>> Rick Green: Yeah. Wow. What a warning for us. Just all of that history to recognize the game plan. The question is, will we. Will we see that blueprint and develop a strategy against it? Right. Will we unite, with people that, for the most part, share our values, like you're saying? It's like we disagree on some things, or maybe it's the personality. They hate Trump so much, or we hate their candidates so much that all of a sudden, now we're teaming up with people that literally want to kill us, at the end of the day, if we don't submit to their tyranny. So what do we do to wake up Bill? What do we do? To respond to that.

>> Bill Federer: Well, I mean, you're an expert at it, but the founding father, First Continental Congress open with prayer and you had Anglicans and Presbyterians and you know,

>> Rick Green: put their differences aside for that moment of unity.

>> Bill Federer: Yeah. That they, you know, there was a motion for prayer and the delegate, you know, Rutledge from South Carolina said no. But then Sam Adams stands up and he goes, I'm no bigot. I can hear of any man of piety who at the same time is a friend of our nation. And so this idea that, look, we need to unite together for the big things so that we can all have the freedom to continue having our Christian faith saved. And, and so it's this idea that, let's, let's stop hating people, and let's try to work together on the big picture of saving our country.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: It is really, something that, you know, when Charlie Kirk died and certain podcasters sort of got co opted into a psyops where they were used to sow division. That's right. They did this in America in the 1950s, with Hollywood. They were the influencers and they actually call it an influence campaign. They would find out who the Hollywood producers, movie producers are and who their friends are and who their, their friends are. And they would like befriend this friend so they could get on an inner circle to befriend that friend. And then finally they would get at the party with the movie producer and then they would befriend them and seed them with divisive messaging. Vietnam war is bad. Capitalists are bad. And they would put it into their movies and it would go to the downline to those following the influence and their goal is division. the word diabolical, diabolos, devil. It means to divide.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: I mean m. And now they can

>> Rick Green: do it with a TikTok 60 second video instead of a, you know, multi million dollar two hour film.

>> Bill Federer: Yeah. They found out that AI is six times more effective at getting people to change their views than humans are. They study you and me and every. They study you so much they know everything you do on the Internet.

>> Rick Green: Wow.

>> Bill Federer: They know how long you're watching a video and then figures out the concept.

>> Rick Green: They know where your decision matrix is. Then what, what really triggers you to turn that video off or to watch longer. So what are the things that are driving you? And then they can figure out the right message.

>> KCarl Smith: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: We think we're using the Internet and the phone for, for our purposes. It's just Studying us.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: And it's studying, what are your pains and your pleasures? What are your fears?

Bill Federer: We have to figure out what unites us as Americans

What are your desires? And then it can gradually. And they're powerful tools.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: I mean, they can convince a boy that he's a girl.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: Wow. I, listened to one podcasts and it was Christian family and their son committed suicide. And they're looking at his chat conversations with this AI and he's like, oh, there's multiverses. And. And you can go to the one on the other side. I'll. You just pull the trigger and I'll see you on the other side.

>> Rick Green: Wow.

>> Bill Federer: And the kid kills himself. And it's this, And so they want to bring division. You know, the feminist movement was divided, designed by the Soviets to divide men and women, break him the family. And the 1960s divide the children against, the parents.

>> Rick Green: You know, it sounds like then we have to figure out what are the most important things that unite us and then rally people around that. And the 250 is a great chance to do that. Right. Because we're going back to some of those basic things in the Declaration that really define what we are as Americans that most people should want to rally around, that there is truth, that there's life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, all of those things. But we've got a job educating them on that and getting past the derangement syndrome of whatever the. The personality or our party is.

>> Bill Federer: I love the one quote from Eisenhower and he said, recognition of the Supreme Being is the first, the most basic expression of Americanism there. It is.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: So, you know, Tower, Babel, they're all scattered. What happened? Well, they. They gravitated into language groups. That was their commonality.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: And those language groups turned into nations. And so some of the very, very basics is we're speaking the same language, like we're communicating with each other. That's very basic. Basic. But here's Eisenhower saying the basic is we believe in a God of the Bible. Not an Islamic God, a God of the Bible who. What makes us all in his image. He gives us rights, and he is not a respecter of persons. Therefore we're all equal.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> Bill Federer: The purpose of the government is to guarantee to us our career given rights.

>> Rick Green: Amen.

>> Bill Federer: And he's. And he's. That's the.

>> Rick Green: The common part there. That's the lowest common. We got to start there. And. And I'll leave people with a visual as we wrap this up. The, I was just out of Freedoms foundation, which Eisenhower helped start.

>> Bill Federer: Oh, wow.

>> Rick Green: Just outside of Valley Forge and they have this big monument and, and it's, it's the bill of responsibilities and how the system should work and the very bottom pillar, the biggest one, belief in God. And so you're, you're exactly right, Bill.

Rick Green founded Patriot Academy to help fill leadership void in America

I hear everybody coming out. It's time for us to head in and give some talks to these pastors. Thank you so much for taking a few minutes with me.

>> Bill Federer: Well Rick, you're the best. I thank God for you and looking forward to being down at, at Patriot Academy and I tell people, get your church to get biblical citizenship classes. Become a biblical, a constitution Coach. Thank you. This is something that God is doing through Rick Greene and Patriot Academy and the answer to turn things around.

>> Rick Green: Have you noticed the vacuum of leadership in America? We're looking around for leaders of principle to step up and too often no one is there. God is raising up a generation of young leaders with a passion for impacting the world around them. They're crying out for the mentorship and leadership training they need. Patriot Academy was created to meet that need. Patriot Academy graduates now serve in state capitals around America, in the halls of Congress, in business, in the film industry, in the pulpit and every area of the culture they're leading effectively and impacting the world around them. Patriot Academy is now expanding across the nation and now's your chance to, to experience this life changing week that trains champions to change the world. Visit patriotacademy.com for dates and locations. Our core program is still for young leaders 16 to 25 years old, but we also now have a, citizen track for adults. So visit the website today to learn more. Help us fill the void of leadership in America. Join us in training champions, to change the [email protected] well, I couldn't miss the opportunity with Bill Federer talking about the good work Patriot Academy was doing to play that little spot for you about what we've got going on. And there's a lot of great programs happening this summer. We got so many good events coming up, both at the campus at Patriot Academy in Constitution City, Texas, but across the country. In fact, we're going to be heading to several state capitals just here in a few days, I, guess a couple of weeks actually. But we'll start off at the Colorado, State Capitol. We'll be there. Let's see our Colorado Leadership Congress. Actually, I take that back. Florida's first up this year. So we'll be in Florida for our leadership Congress there at the state Capitol in Tallahassee on June 17th, 18th and 19th. So you don't have to be from Florida to attend that one. If you're anywhere in the US and you're 16 to. And the other dates that might be closer to you don't work, you can always come to Florida. And Florida is a great free state. We love going there. So Florida Leadership Congress, June 17th, 18th and 19th. Then we head almost straight over to Colorado. We'll be doing the Colorado Leadership Congress, at the June 22nd, 23rd and 24th. And then we've got a couple of weeks off. And in July we will take, our kind of our northeast beachhead, Delaware Patriot Academy happens July 8th, 9th and 10th, and then right after that up to Idaho in Boise at their state Capitol for July 13th, 14th and 15th. And then we got our big National Leadership Congress at the Patriot Academy campus. That'll be several hundred students. It'll be amazing, just like it was last year. Encourage folks to check that out. That's in our, our own legislative hall. We built a replica of the Texas House. We've got the, committee rooms, the whole nine yards. It's, it's amazing. And if you haven't ever sent a student to us, if you're a young person listening, you've never been. You need to go to Patriot Academy Leadership Congress. Go to patriotacademy.com Click on that button for Leadership Congress. The videos, the application. It's all right there where you can learn more. I'm telling you, you will absolutely have the time of your life. You'll meet some other great young people, you'll get leadership skills. You'll really understand what it means to be an American and you may even find your purpose and what God's got for you. Check it out. Patriotacademy.com Quick break. We'll be right back here listening to At the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green

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KCarl Smith has written a book about Frederick Douglass and Karl Marx

Now back to At the Core on American Family Radio. Welcome back to the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green. Rick Green, America's Constitution coach. And while at the Wichita, Kansas Liberty Pastors event, I ran into KCarl Carl Smith. Love this guy. Fantastic book on Karl Marx and Frederick Douglass and just, thrilled and thankful that I got a chance to sit down with him and talk about it. So here's my interview with KCarl Carl Smith. Can't think of a better topic than Douglas versus Marx. You put together a debate between these two guys?

>> KCarl Smith: Yeah, well, you know, Douglas and Marx were contemporaries. Both of them were born in 1818. But they never met. So we said, wait a minute now what would Frederick Douglass being America's greatest liberty messenger, if he had a face to face meeting with Karl Marx, the father of communism, what would he say to him? Yeah, well there's no history of that because they never met. So we put together this 31 dialogues. We're there in a room, they're going at it. Now here's the thing that people need to know. The content of what they said is something we did not make up. It's based on source documents. It's based on what Douglass said, what Douglass wrote, his actual beliefs, and the same thing with Karl Marx, his actual belief. So thank God we have a literary legacy. Where further, Douglass wrote about free speech, the role of government, personal, responsibility, private property rights, all the claims of Marxism. Douglass wrote about that before Marxism existed. How so? Well, think about it. The slave master and the slave government, same techniques of oppression.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> KCarl Smith: So when Douglass wrote about what he experienced on the plantation as a slave from the slave master is identical to the same techniques of oppression used by Marxism or slave government.

>> Rick Green: So Douglass just tyranny from under a different name.

>> KCarl Smith: Exactly. Because matter of fact, one of Douglass powerful speech. His lecture is called the nature of Slavery. And in that speech Douglass said the first aim of slavery is to take God out of your life. That's the first aim of Marxism.

>> Rick Green: That's right. That's right. Yeah. And so, so it's a backup. you literally took their words, a topic that they both spoke to or about.

>> KCarl Smith: Yes. And the claims of Marxism, everything. Because Douglass's life and his writing refutes all the claims of Marxism. Because that's why the left don't, don't, don't lean on Douglas. Yeah, the Douglas refused everything about Marxism. Douglas talked about, about our God given rights. Yeah, Founding fathers. Right.

>> Rick Green: Yeah, yeah.

>> KCarl Smith: So the left has no answer for him. So Douglass is not a museum piece. In my opinion, Douglas is a weapon to defeat Marxism. This, the sad thing is most people do not know about that.

>> Rick Green: That was actually my next question. Why have we somewhat lost Frederick Douglass? I remember at the state Board of Education a couple weeks ago, as part of our arguments was we wanted Frederick Douglass to be in one of those guys that we spent more time on, on in the classroom. And the left hates it because of exactly what you're saying because he teaches things that destroys their arguments. do you think it's coming back? I mean it's part of what you're devoted to. Oh yeah.

>> KCarl Smith: See it is coming back. Because in my book, it's not Democrat versus Republican. It's not left versus Right. It's good versus evil. Yeah, you mentioned that the other day when you saw. It's really good versus evil.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> KCarl Smith: And people want to know the truth. So thank God we have the literary legacy of Frederick Douglass to refute the false narrative and the claims of Marxism. We just have to be wise enough to leverage that into the.

>> Rick Green: Tell me about the book. When's it coming out? And the book is out. It's already out.

>> KCarl Smith: Okay. Don't go to Amazon. Don't give Bezos any more money.

>> Rick Green: You got it.

>> KCarl Smith: But, come to my website and, it's a little bit long, the URL, but it's kcarl. K C, A R L company site, S I, T E. Okay, do it one more time. KCarl. Carl. K C, A R L. KCarl. Carl.

>> Rick Green: Company

>> KCarl Smith: site, S I, T E S

>> Rick Green: I, T E. So wait a minute. KCarl. Carl. So see, every time I mention my wife's name, Cara, it's always, is it a K or a C? And so with KCarl, Carl, it's both.

>> KCarl Smith: I got to get a history on it. So my given name is Keith Smith.

>> Rick Green: Okay.

>> KCarl Smith: Keith Carl Smith. Several years ago, my daughter said, dad, Keith is not a hard enough name. it's not like Rocky. So let's eliminate the last letters off your first name. So take the K, put it with my middle name, Carl with a C. So publicly I go by KCarl as one word.

>> Rick Green: And how old was your daughter when she came up with this?

>> KCarl Smith: About 17 years old.

>> Rick Green: I love it.

KCarl Smith: The best way to defeat Marxism is with Frederick Douglassism

All right, now tell me before we go, what are you going to share with the pastors tomorrow?

>> KCarl Smith: Well, I'm going to really talk about the essence of if we're going to defeat Marxist crt, and dei. You got to understand first that CRT and DEI are derivative from Marxism.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> KCarl Smith: So the best way to defeat Marxism is with Frederick Douglassism. We got to take the liberty message of Frederick Douglass, which we have now, and take that message, understand it, to articulate the importance and the value of liberty to the minds of people. Because people know the truth. They never heard the counter arguments, especially from the writings in Life of Freddie Douglass.

>> Rick Green: Well, give us a little quick history on Douglas, because I've heard David Barton talk about him quite a bit and give some of the bio. But I mean, he was incredibly accomplished. Didn't he have. He had access to multiple presidents. I mean, what were just some of the things that he did?

>> KCarl Smith: Yeah, David's right. On point, Frederick Douglass was an advisor to five Republican presidents. 5.

>> KCarl Smith: Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, James Garfield, Hayes and Benjamin Harrison. Zero days of formal schooling. He was all homeschooled. He started own homeschooling program to learn how to read and write because why? He rejected the slave masters common core curriculum that he had set out. So he rejected that.

>> Rick Green: Right. Common slave master's common core curriculum.

>> KCarl Smith: So. But the tidbit about Douglas, like the minute blows your mind. I remember when David, David, Barton said that, you know, Frederick Douglass wrote three autobiographies. And David said, oh, everybody has three autobiographies. But Fred had three autobiographies cover different times life. But at the time of his death, 1895, Frederick Douglass had $300,000 in savings. That's after being a slave for 20 years, which is equivalent to $10 million today.

>> Rick Green: Wow.

>> KCarl Smith: So that's why the life and the liberty message of Frederick Douglass is the message, the most effective kind of message to defeat.

>> Rick Green: He lived it. He didn't just theorize.

>> KCarl Smith: yeah, you're exactly right. Karl Marx was a theorist about oppression. He never lived.

>> Rick Green: He was deadbeat dad. He, you know, did nothing to help his family. He couldn't hold that job.

>> KCarl Smith: As a matter of fact, in one of the debates we came up with my brother, we actually role played these things. That's how we wrote it. He, was Marx. Of course, now it was Douglass. In one of the debates, Frederick Douglass confronts Karl Marx regarding his lack of work ethic. And Fred Douglass basically said, any man that does not financially support his own obligation, his family has no need trying to lead a nation.

>> Rick Green: Wow. Wow. I love it.

>> KCarl Smith: So the point I want to bring up before we leave here, so you have these 31 debates. Every debate is followed by a reflection, the moral of the story, talking points. So now you can take this debate and come with these talking points that help you articulate better your, your view on those subjects.

>> Rick Green: Yeah.

>> KCarl Smith: And also there are discussion questions with guided answers. It's really a curriculum.

>> Rick Green: Okay. Carl, it's such good timing because the, you know, I work with a lot of youth and, and there is a, there's a fascination with socialism right now. They don't even call it that necessarily, but they're. They're drawn to.

>> KCarl Smith: Yeah.

>> Rick Green: The same things that Mark's was for. And so now's the right time. Now's the right time to get this book in front of them and to have the discussion, to be able to get them to think through it, not just read the words. Yeah. But then think through it. I'm so glad you did that part.

>> KCarl Smith: And also what it does, it helps them to prepare them. When I young people go to these college campus, which is nothing but a, Marxist indoctrination boot camp, we gotta equip them with the intellectual tool. So before they walk in that classroom.

>> Rick Green: Yes.

>> KCarl Smith: And that professor said something. You bring Douglas's to the conversation because Douglas probably wrote about it.

>> Rick Green: Yeah. Oh, I love it. As you're saying that, I'm just picturing classrooms all over America on college campuses where we equip these young people and you've got a Frederick Douglass type sitting in that classroom to counter Professor. That's right.

>> KCarl Smith: We could save this nation one or two election cycles.

>> Rick Green: I love it. I love it. KCarl, Carl, thank you man. Appreciate you, man. And thanks for being a part of Liberty Pastors as well.

KCarl's book compares two philosophies on how government should operate

>> Rick Green: All right, we're back. We're back on At the Core always good to visit with KCarl. Carl. And listen, this book, very important to think about this not as just, just a book to read. It's not just a history book. It's literally like a curriculum on worldviews. As KCarl was saying. It's a chance to really compare these two philosophies. One being biblical from Frederick Douglass and then the other being as anti biblical as you can get with Karl Marx, but able to take those two philosophies and see what they do with particular issues. And so just like in a debate format, if the two guys were actually standing there and they'd be asking, well, maybe getting questions from the audience or from a moderator, but also asking, each other questions, it would give you a chance to hear both sides. And that's what KCarl has put together here. And I think one of our biggest challenges right now is that most kids today are only getting one side. They are only getting the socialist Marxist philosophy. They're only getting this, idealistic in this ivory tower world that somehow it would make everybody equal and everybody would be happy. And of course we know socialism fails every single time it's tried. In fact, we played the Patriot Academy promo a few minutes, ago and I talked about all the different Patriot Academy events this year. This summer, at any Patriot Academy event, if somebody hollers out the word socialism, you will hear all of the students in unison say, is bad. Very, very bad. We've done that for 25 years at Patriot Academy because you just got it. You got to get down to it and you got to teach why it's bad. But initially just saying, look, this has never, ever worked. And these people that lie and say, oh, we just didn't. We didn't do enough of it. We didn't have enough control over the economy. We didn't implement socialism enough. And that's why it failed every single place that it's ever been attempted. And I know you get these arguments for the Nordic examples or whatever, and we've had guests on to talk about that and show how none of those, places, the, Netherlands and places like that, they don't have actual full socialism. What they do is they have an economy that's more capitalistic, and then they have socialist policies. And it's a very different, different culture and makeup. There's far less diversity. There's much more of a social, not proof. What's the word I'm looking for more social pressure to not, just live off the government. Now what they're experiencing now, and I think you'll see in just a few short years a complete failure, is the immigration that the rest of the world is getting from the Islamic invasion. And now they're getting cultures that don't have that same, work ethic and value system. And so when you, when you import people from places like Somalia, where they have a worldview and a philosophy that says you should absolutely take advantage of the system and your neighbor and everybody else, you don't treat your neighbor the way you want to be treated. You treat your neighbor as bad as they'll let you treat them in order to benefit you. That's their worldview and their philosophy. And as more of those people get imported into these countries that have been able to have a much higher safety net, than other nations, it will destroy that safety net. Because now you're going to have people that just move off the system, that cheat the system, that use, corruption to steal from their neighbors. I mean, we're experiencing that in America in a huge way. And the first reason that has happened that opened the door for that to happen is not even the immigration issue. The first thing that happened was we let government get outside of its proper lane. We let our constitutional republic allow our federal government to do more than what the Constitution says they should be able to do. Anytime you get the federal government involved in taking care of the poor or daycares or education or any of these areas, you're going to have corruption, you're going to have waste, you're going to have lack of accountability, and it's always going to make the system work. Those are all things that the founding fathers recognize should be done as local as possible. So if you can take care of it at the local level level, you don't do it at the state level. If you can do it at the state level and take care of it, you don't do it at the federal level. So that's why the Constitution itself is framed in a way to limit the federal government to things that only the federal government can do. You only want the federal government to wage war. You only want the federal government to negotiate tariffs and, treaties and all of those things you don't want to have in our case, now 50 different versions of that going on, on. So those things make sense to do at the federal level. And that's why they're in Article 1, Section 8. That's why they were very specific about that. What you don't want is to then say to the federal government, well, you might as well go ahead and do education so that it's the same in all 50 states. No, that's a huge mistake. It should be left up to the states and as local as possible. And you'll get 50 different formulas and you'll have these laboratories of experiment and freedom where people try different things and then they learn from each other what worked or didn't work. And we just got so far away from that. And we started doing all these things at the federal level, which meant then the federal government had to tax us and take all of our money that we would have paid at the local level to help people or even at the state level. Now the federal government gets it. And then because they're so far away and we don't even know who these people are that work for these bureaucracies, now they're subject to the corruption and the waste. Now they're spending our money, it's not their money, so they don't care if they waste it. And they're not even spending it on themselves. So they don't care if they get good quality education or daycare or any of those things. So it just doesn't work. Never happens, has never will. And so the answer is first to get the jurisdictions right, get the government back into its lane, get it doing only those things that only that level of government can do. So even when you say it's something you want government to do, you say, okay, if government, which government? And so then if it's, you know, federal, state or local, but most of the time it shouldn't be government at all. It should Be us should be local. It should be in the church. It should be the individual. That's the biblical way to do it. And we learned that from, Frederick Douglass. Of course, if we, if we dive further into it. And of course, Karl Marx is the exact opposite. So it starts with the jurisdictions. You get that wrong, then you open the door for things like the Somali daycares and all of the other massive fraud. And I'm talking hundreds of billions of dollars. In fact, Elon Musk estimated that $2 trillion of the annual budget is fraud. I mean, that that should tell you right there, the federal government's doing things it shouldn't do. And it's spending money and giving money to people that should not even be in the country in the first place, let alone should certainly not be getting money from us and our tax dollars and our government. Government paying for it and then paying, paying them that they don't even assimilate. They don't even share our values. So they're not even just like, taking care of people that are in need. They're literally paying the bills for people that want to destroy our country and want to completely change who we are as a nation. So it's a complete mess. It can be turned around, but it's going to take real courage. It's going to take things like what President Trump is doing. It's going to take things like what we've talked about in terms of defeating even Republicans that are not supporting the President's agenda to deport people and have reverse migration. but I digress. And we are out of time. So I hope you have a fantastic day. Walker will be back with you tomorrow. You've been listening to At the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green.

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