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Anthony Fauci should be held accountable for misleading the public about COVID
Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Wednesday, August 12, and we've been talking this week about the Fauci texts and documents that have been released by Senators Ron Johnson and Rand Paul. And it is just completely appalling that there is even the slightest possibility that Anthony Fauci would not be held accountable for his horrific actions and not alerting the, the general public to the dangers and even the theoretical possibilities that he and other, scientists and doctors were exploring at the time about the dangers of COVID And so the Fox News headline is Fauci texts raising Theoretical miscarriage Concern after Cove Vaccine Dose spark backlash. And, you know, backlash is fine, but we need actual accountability. We need follow up and follow through. thank, Florida is doing that I had yesterday, if you missed the program, Attorney General James Uthmeyer here in Florida is exploring all possible options on the state level because of course, Foushee's federal pardon, unless someone challenges it successfully, is going to be that pardon on the federal level. But states need to actually do their job and we the people need to demand that as well, because that's what justice is. That's what a moral and upright society looks like.
Steve Dase: 12% miscarriage rate is 300% higher than average
So let's welcome in Steve Dase, our good friend and radio host from the Blaze. And Steve, you know, I'm, I'm kind of tired honestly of sitting here talking about, oh, you know, this, this raises backlash. And we kind of have, you know, a news cycle or two or maybe the week that we're talking about this. And then Fauci, you know, pleads the fifth, doesn't give anybody really anything else, to talk about. And then people move on to other things like affordability and the economy and midterms and, you know, all these other concerns that we have daily. But justice requires that there be accountability for the horrific crimes that were committed during COVID
Steve Deace: I can't put it any plainer or simpler, Jenna, than our national character here as it stands. I mean, 12% miscarriage rate, and you know, there's two different ways to read this study, but at a minimum, or read this report, of what they knew and what they didn't, I meant, but the minimum is a 12 and a half or 12.7% miscarriage rate. That's over 300% higher than the miscarriage rate in the country. That's the minimum. That is the minimum. most narrow interpretation of their data you could have is that they knew, is that they knew that Fauci knew, knew as early as January of, ah, 2021. They knew that, what this data said and what it could cause, they knew. If we cannot punish that as a people, if we will not defend, I mean, I can't imagine there's anybody, regardless of your politics. I mean, the left has been telling us for a generation, every child a wanted child. Well, if you're still pregnant with that child, I would guess that was a wanted child. Correct. If we cannot defend an over 300% increase in, baby deaths via this drug in which you typically see on a natural miscarriage process, then I don't know that we're really a nation worth defending at that point. I mean, I just, I don't
Steve Deace: know what's left of the heart and soul of the people collectively, the attention span of the people. And when I'm what I'm fascinated about most with this, as someone who's been on this basically since even before lockdowns, and as far as I know, I'm the only person on planet earth that has written two best selling books on, exposing all of this and all the data, all of this short of raising three children to adulthood who don't hate me, don't hate God, and are actually attracted to members of the opposite sex. The biggest, most proudest moment of my life was finding out three weeks ago I was in that little demonic dweebs diary for so tormenting and annoying him they mentioned me by name in his own private narcissistic ramblings. But what's been interesting though, is now Fox News is covering this. And so, you know, I always talk on my show about normie voters. Well, there's Normie conservatives too. And that's your person who. Fox News is as far right as their Overton window gets. And Fox has anointed itself kind of an Overton window of the right. And these are, you know, their viewers who typically don't know much else happening on the right unless it's covered by Fox News. And a lot of times, frankly, there are parents and grandparents because the average Fox News viewer is 68 and a half years old. Fox was firing employees like Brandon Morello for not taking the jab, before, during the jab mandate. And so for now, for them to be the ones. I mean, I first heard this story from Bill Miluchin, Fox News. They're the ones covering this. Ron Johnson did an interview with Fox about this in great detail and took it even further than I am right now in our conversation. So this is now broken into the normie conservative voter. and I think now that now the Overton window here has been pried open lot further. And I can't maybe. I'm sure you've heard this a ton of times in your political career, but if I had a $20 bill for every time a Republican politician has told me in mind, we can't discuss that or do that Fox won't cover it. I had paid off my mortgage by now. Well, now Fox is covering this. And I think also this, this, this, this news, you know, inadvertently coming on the heels of the president kind of breaking the seal on the entire vaccine issue by rolling back the childhood vaccine schedule to essentially what it was when you and I were kids. I think that, there's an opportunity here, and I think that, for justice to roll on like a river and righteousness like a mighty strain.
Jenna Ellis: And I hope that you're right, Steve. and I hope that this isn't just one of these things that gets a lot of attention for a short period of time and then we move on to other things. because again, justice requires that there is accountability, not just the public outcry or the public backlash. And you're absolutely right about Fox News, and I wish that that weren't the case. And I think that we're potentially, especially with the younger generations kind of breaking out of that. But while the, the older establishment GOP is still viewing Fox News as basically their PR arm, anything that Fox won't cover, essentially is not news to them. And you're absolutely right about that. And, it's the same way, you know, with the left for CNN and, msnbc. so, you know, we have, we still have this kind of, party dominant view.
A lot of this comes down to accountability during the Trump administration
And what's fascinating to me as well, I mean, is all of the things that we've discussed, among other things about this story is how much Republicans were not actually willing to cover this, it without Rand Paul being on this like a dog with a bone. I mean, he will not let this go for very good reason because he himself is a doctor and he understands all the implications here. without him really pushing for this, I think the GOP would have been very happy to let this go because a lot of this also comes down to accountability during the Trump administration. And that's the thing that the right doesn't want to acknowledge. Now, reasonable people and average people who were affected by this, of course they're willing to acknowledge that, maybe not, you know, some of the die hard MAGA ones who, you know, Trump can do no wrong, but they should, and they, they can and should put the blame on Operation Warp Speed, on Trump abdicating, his presidency, and especially on Mike, Pence. And you've talked about that on your show even more extensively than I have. And how, how much do you think it's going to take of looking at the stark numbers for Republicans writ large to be willing to say yes, there are some things that even, you know, Trump and his allies are responsible for, for the rise of Fauci during Cove It wasn't all during the Biden administration. And we need to call a spade a spade, regardless of who was in office at what time.
Steve Deace: Well, listen, there are numerous outs here for Donald Trump, and there always have been. I mean, there are two main reasons I sided with DeSantis in the primary over Trump. first and foremost is this. again, all the notes, the thousands of notes I received from people. My mom died in the nursing home. I never saw her again. My, you know, my best friend committed suicide. He lost his celebrate recovery, his 12 step group and got back on the wagon, and you know, overdosed. I cannot tell you how many of those stories I received, being, you know, on the front lines of that battle during that era. And so that was number one and number two, he's a fantastic governor. But, you know, the only reason, it's got to take a pretty extraordinary circumstance to take on a king and your gubernatorial record, ain't it? This was a circumstance to take on a king, in my view. And there were outs for Trump back then, there's way more outs now, way more outs now. Things that people like me were talking about that you never heard about on Fox News. I would imagine that this week, for example, Jenna, this week is the first time anybody, any Fox News, only viewer ever heard of what's called V Safe. And Ron Johnson mentioned it. V safe is a very important piece of evidence. Most of our audiences know what VAERS is, the vaccine adverse event reporting system. Pardon me, but the problem with VAERS is it's very clumsy. the software that you need a physician to report for you. It's a very laborious process. There was a study done, I want to say, late 90s by the Harvard Medical Review, I think it was, that estimated maybe 10% of all vaccine adverse events end up getting through the VAERS reporting system because of just how clunky and bureaucratic it is. So what CDC did is they didn't rely on VAERS. They created a separate database called V Safe. There were over 10 million people in this database from the time the vaccines launched. They knew this data in real time. The entire time their Data was reporting 8% adverse serious. What's called a serious adverse event. a serious adverse event is anything that requires a follow up medical, consultation or care. That could be anything from, hey, I got heart palpitations and went to the ER because they didn't go away in a day to death. All right? So in fairness, there's a wide range of what a serious adverse event was. But 8%, when you consider less than 25% of American adults didn't take any doses of this. Less than 25% of adults didn't take any doses of these. So you start doing the math on 8%. That's an extraordinary number. Extraordinary. We've had vaccines pulled off the market immediately for 1 2%. This was and did not have the penetration and reach of the marketplace that this one did. They knew this data the entire time. And when they were accumulating this data was 2021. Trump wasn't president then, right? Trump now can say, hey, I think you and I both know Donald Trump's never saying I'm sorry for literally anything. Just never happening. Right? Certainly not publicly. It is what it is. But he's got all kinds of places now to say, hey, these, these sons of a gun, they lied to me, right? And I, and I'm the guy that brought RFK Jr. In. I'm the guy that said, hey, tell me the truth. He showed me the data. What did I do? I rolled back the childhood vaccine schedule. I got rid of 60 doses. They were injecting into your children. We went from 72 to 11. When he showed me the data, did I not respond? Yes. Was I not right on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin? And Fauci and everybody told me I was wrong. Right. He's had numerous outs the entire time, but they're even more obvious now. And I think with Fox News and the cat out of the bag, I think there's a lot. There's a certain Trump voter that knew this or suspected it, but because of the overall desire to save the country from Kamala and who the Democrats have become, which is an openly demonic construct, just said, listen, we can't risk an entire country on trying to get, you know, Trump to admit something. it is what it is. I think now, though, he's never on the ballot ever again.
Jenna Ellis: Exactly.
Steve Deace: There is an Overton wind. There's an Overton window opening here now, where he now gets to. He gets to be the good guy here, you know, and if you go back and you look at what happened, there was one shot they took off the market. It was the non MRNA shot, J and J. And notice in Fauci's text, he says, well,
Steve Deace: the risk of miscarriage increases with the second shot. See, it was all the MRNA shots. Pfizer Moderna, those were the ones that required two shots. A lot of people just got the J and J shot because it was one shot, and they thought they could just move on. J and J was the one that they actually took off the market and put a warning signal on. Why does that matter? Well, because Trump hears a lot about loyalty. Who's J and J? Johnson and Johnson, who's one of Trump's best friends that Johnson. That Johnson is. So they. They flagged his shot and told people it was dangerous the entire time. They promoted the shots that they knew were causing a 12.7% miscarriage rate. You see what I'm saying? That's he's there is.
Steve Capone: It's frustrating that President Trump is focused on unrelated issues
If the President were to call me, I could thread in about two minutes a, statement he could make that essentially absolve him from taking any public blame for this, which is, of course, very important to him, while looking like the hero. And it wouldn't require the stretching of the truth one iota. So the opportunity is there for him to be the hero that he loves to be.
Jenna Ellis: M. It's there. And it's just so frustrating that, in my view, that he's not focused on some of these things that actually really matter to the future of our nation. And a lot of people are saying, well, you know, it's in the past, and we have other bigger things like affordability and, you know, other. And the economy and, and immigration and all of that. And, yes, those are big issues, but if we don't actually tackle this and, and require and demand justice for this, then there's a real risk and possibility that something like this will happen again in the future. And it's really frustrating that Trump and his team are so focused on this war in Iran that, frankly, nobody that I've talked to, hardly anybody, is saying, yeah, let's continue this and have this be basically the sole focal point, and not address some of these things. And a great moment would have been when he signed that executive order two days ago on the vaccines, the vaccine schedules, and when he took Cove 19 out of the. That recommendation. And that would have been the opportune moment to talk about this and to tie this in with all of Fauci. But one other, key point that you mentioned, Steve, is when you're talking about they. And what they knew, that is way more and encompasses way more than just Anthony Fauci. And a lot of the. They don't have the presidential pardons. And if the DOJ was serious about accountability at all, and they would be going after more people who don't have pardons, who were just as culpable and responsible for not getting this information out to the public. and, you know, we, we all know the face of Anthony Fauci, because he wanted that and he wanted the fame, and, you know, that's fine. But they should be pursuing all of the people that were responsible for this, because if there had been more people to stand up and publicly say what Dr. Atlas and Jay Bhattacharya were at the time and getting canceled, and Dr. Mercola, you know, who's being hounded by CNN at the time, you know, remember all of that saying, you know, how could you possibly say that these things aren't effective? And, you know, you're misleading people. If more people, would have stood up at the time, then their voices would have been so overwhelming that Fauci couldn't have stopped it. And so there needs to be accountability for more than just Anthony Fauci. Yes, him. But I'm very frustrated that right now Congress and also the DOJ doesn't seem to care about anyone else that was implicated or involved here.
Steve Deace: It's an excellent point. I had Scott Atlas back on my show yesterday, you know, and he Was he reminded our audience again that Deborah Birx was the one executing all those guidelines.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah.
Steve Deace: On the lockdowns and everything else. She has no pardon. You're correct.
Steve Deace: Not a single FDA commissioner that approved these has a pardon. None of them do. So I've got two reasons why I'm confident there will be some justice. James Buffmeier, because he's been an outstanding state attorney general. frankly, in the last few years, he's been one of the best state attorneys. He's become one of the best state attorney generals in American history. And I am confident, knowing him, that this is not just grandstanding and that he is searching for the legal means by which, just like Rand Paul used contempt of Congress as kind of the wedge to the crowbar here to pry open the, to break the seal on Anthony Fauci, or we once put, you know, Al, Capone away on tax evasion. I am confident that Uthmeyer will find the means by which he has a legal opening here to broaden the scope and have the kinds of conversations that you and I are talking about right here.
Jenna Ellis: Mm, absolutely. And we've got to take a break here, Steve. but I, I really hope that that is the case, and I, I really hope that there will be some justice on the state level. And again, I'm really frustrated that the doj, even under Todd Blanch now, doesn't seem all that concerned to go after the people who were responsible. I mean, I forgot about Deborah Burks until you mentioned her, but absolutely, she doesn't have a pardon. and, you know, Mike Pence doesn't have a pardon. What did he know at the time? during Operation Warp Speed, what did all of you know, the doctors sitting on that panel, know at the time? And what. What information were they not giving out to the public? And. And I only mentioned Mike Pence because this needs to be, you know, anyone, regardless of party or, you know, regardless of affiliation, you know, with Trump or Biden, accountability and justice really should be blind, and the American people should deserve it, and especially those, who were victimized during the whole Covid fiasco. But, Steve, appreciate it. We'll be right back with more. Hi, I'm Jenna Ellis. Did you know that this content is listener supported? Without people like you, this podcast would not exist. And that's why we need you. A generous monthly gift of any amount will help sustain American Family Radio and specifically this podcast podcast. Please consider becoming a monthly financial partner today by visiting afr.net forward slg that's afr.net give, welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Bennett: Some interesting primaries taking place ahead of November elections
Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. Well, as I mentioned, some more primaries happened yesterday and Darlene Graham Nordone, the sister of the late seventh senator Lindsey Graham, actually didn't reach 50%. So she is going to a runoff in South Carolina. And the crazy socialist Francesca Hong, who is running for governor of Wisconsin is is actually going to be the nominee. And he's going to face she is going to face off against Trump endorsed Republican Representative Thom Tiffany, in November who's a frequent guest on this program. And so for more on kind of the GOP prospects and what we're looking at in some of the state races, let's go to Congressman Marlon Stutzman, who's from the great state of Indiana. Good morning. And you know, these specific races I think are just evidencing, what we've seen across the board during the primaries that that Republicans are kind of continuing in some of the more conservative lanes. And we're seeing you know, some really good nominees actually coming out of some of these races for the gop and we're getting a lot of socialist candidates from the Democrats. Yeah.
Marlin Stutzman: Good morning Jenna. Great to be with you. You know, on, on one hand, you know, this is obviously I think good for the Republican Party going into November. But on the other hand, it's quite scary that that's, this is where the Democrat Party is now. You know, I would say for many years, even under Barack Obama, we saw the shift of the Democrat Party moving towards socialism and now it's just metastasized into full blown communism, by many of these candidates. And so look at Michigan. I think Michigan's going to be ground zero for this fight in the Senate seat between Abdul Al, Said, who is running for Senate against Mike Rogers, and of course the Democrat Party establishment weighed in huge for a more establishment candidate, Haley Stevens I believe was her name in Michigan. And she came up short, you know, while maybe again good for us and we've got great candidates. Thom, Tiffany, a great friend, is a strong candidate in his own right. I think that you know this. He's in a great position to win the governor's race in Wisconsin. But I guess that when I talk to folks across Northeast Indiana, everybody's like, okay, we can win. But this is really scary, the fact that the major opposition party is so Full of socialism and communists and they even say that's who they are.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And this, this seems to me like we have a lot of races on the state level now that are a mirror and a reflection of what we went through nationally with the presidency in 2024 between Trump and Kamala Harris, you know, where we have Democrat candidates that are, as, you know, as Marxist and as socialist as she was and even more so and more forward, outwardly spoken. So. And I hope that it ends up that they fail as badly as she did and that there's a resounding rejection of that rise in the Democrat Party so that at least the, the National DNC will recognize that this just isn't going to fly in America. But it's fascinating to me to see how the Democrat Party leadership is really not calling this out. I mean everybody who's been on any media interviews, I mean, maybe they're talking about it behind closed doors, but they've said, at least publicly, you know, hey, the Democrat Party's a big tent and basically they couldn't care less as long as someone who's running under a D ticket wins. And I think that's kind of a cautionary tale for Republicans that we need to not get to be such a big tent that we are inviting people in who don't actually espouse conservative principles and aren't advocating for the things that the party overall should be standing up for, like pro life and capitalism, the biblical worldview, limited government, I mean, all of these things. And and we shouldn't allow, you know, especially some of these social issues to creep in and these candidates that are pushing views that really aren't part of what the Republican Party historically has been and certainly not what is consistent with conservatism.
Marlin Stutzman: Yeah, no, absolutely agree. I mean you look what even the establishment Democrat Party looks like. Look at Massachusetts where they just signed into law a Democrat governor there signed into law a bill allowing for abortion up till birth. I mean, we've been fighting the Democrat Party on abortion issues, to that level and to that extreme, for several years now. Now you take it to a whole nother level and I agree with you that we have to stick to our conservative Christian based principles, because that's where we're winning. And you know, I can see it even, reflected in Congress, of the seats around the country where you have strong conservatives. In fact, I would argue under Speaker Mike Johnson, the House Republican Conference is as conservative as it has been. In decades, because you have tight races, you have strong candidates who are out running on a strong conservative platform now, you know, even to the extent that some, you know, have gone off the deep end on issues like Israel and, you know, some other. Other issues as well. But, I think the Republicans are. We're in a great spot with strong leadership. there's a couple of nuances that we've got to definitely address, especially when it comes to the economy and the Iran conflict, which is causing gas prices to, to be high. But I, think that, you know, with the Democrat Party's agenda, I mean, this, this lady running for governor up in Wisconsin, she wanted to take the minimum wage from $7.50 to $20. And again, the. You know, while that may sound good to some people who are. Who are struggling, economically right now, it would kill the economy in Wisconsin. Look at California. I was just visiting with my wife down in Nashville with some friends down there, and I keep hearing how many people from California are moving to Nashville to get away from the bad policies in California and that it's so expensive there. you know, they can sell their home out there for one price, move to the middle of the country and buy twice, the size home, for. For the same, you know, what they sold their home in California for even bigger sometimes. So that's where Republicans really, we have to stay focused on our strong Christian, Judeo, principled, conservative, platform and on our, you know, Christian worldview. Strong economics. I think that's the one place that we have got to do. We're still seeing some, upside, but we're still also seeing some job numbers that came out in July that weren't as strong as we'd like. And a lot of those came out of the hospitality space, which just points to people don't have, the, you know, the extra, you know, funds at the end of the day to go out for dinner, go out, you know, for a quick trip on a weekend and things like that. And But I still believe the fundamentals of the economy are strong. these. These gas prices are what we really got to focus on.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And, and I think that the messaging of that needs to be clear from the gop, and I've talked about that pretty extensively on this program, that when, especially young people are seeing the housing crisis, they're seeing the $20 burrito controversy, burrito gate that happened across social media. And a lot of conservatives weighed in, and a lot of them frankly, were very condescending toward, the young people that are expressing frustration that they can't even go out and afford, anything. And they're saying, well, just stay at home and don't go out. I think a lot of that is kind of missing the mark. And so when you have a lot of these socialists that frankly run a fairly decent, social media game, and a lot of them are very, aggressively using social media, there needs to be a better strategy from the GOP than just kind of this high intellectual sort of criticism that, you know, maybe works in a white paper, but not so much with a young person who is just looking for an alternative to what they're facing right now. And it absolutely shouldn't be socialism and it shouldn't be government handouts and all of that nonsense, but they need to practically understand why capitalism is, better and in the public interest and why socialism doesn't work. And I don't really see the GOP at writ large having really good messaging for that and really good responses. do you?
Marlin Stutzman: Well, you know, I think one of the things that we, we talk a lot about this in our house because we've got two boys, Kristie Anyabwile and I have two sons that are 24 and 20. And so they're, they're just coming out of college, moving into the workforce. you know, both of them are, one's working in construction, the other one's working in agriculture. And now they're starting to pay taxes. And so that's what probably got their attention more than anything else is the fact that, whoa, how much I'm paying in taxes. And we live in Indiana, you know, which is a low tax state. But that to them really makes them think, okay, well, we know where they are at as far as they're good, strong conservative Republicans. They, you know, they are TP USA kids. They know the politics and they know the policy already for the most part. But you know, a lot of their friends are struggling, you know, with their paychecks. They're trying to figure out how are they going to buy a house. A lot of them, I think that's probably the biggest one is looking at buying a home right now is so far out there. Republicans, we passed a good, strong, bill to try to address bringing prices down for homebuilding and home buyers, especially first time homebuyers. but, when the inflation from the Biden era hit so hard, homes just increased dramatically. It's it's taken time for the cycle to come back around. We're starting to see some markets that were so hot, like Austin, Texas and parts of Florida and other parts of the country. Nashville, is another one that the housing market softening up a little bit. So prices may settle, but still, you know, interest rates are still relatively high compared to what we were used to 10, 15 years ago. So there's, there's work to do and I think a lot of it needs to be focused on the economy, where there's job opportunities, there's. There's going to be technology opportunities. but we're. I think we've done the right thing policy wise in the big beautiful bill on our tax policy, on our energy policy. And that's what's going to come home. Where people realize, okay, we're better off under Republicans than we are under Democrats, but Republicans. And I think, you know, Chairman Jason Smith, is the Ways and Means Chairman. He does an excellent job of messaging that. And I've been trying to repeat his points.
Tiffany: I think that when demand is high, prices go up
You know, whether it's the tax policy or whether it's the cost, that we were able to bring down for adoptions, in the big beautiful bill, tax credits to also just trying to lower the cost of what an adoption cost. And then also whether it goes into energy policy and to manufacturing and trying to boost those sectors to where the economy is strong, pricing coming down. Again, it goes back to supply and demand. And when the demand is high, prices go up and we're still seeing that strong demand is there. So supply is trying to meet that. And I've seen that a lot in the restaurant industry. Restaurants are struggling a lot because of the cost of food, the cost of labor. People just can't simply keep up and the prices are so much higher. And it's. It's a real struggle for people.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, it is. And you know, and it is frustrating that a lot of of people who are struggling right now don't attribute this rightfully to the Biden era and you know, how much money was printed in the aftermath of or during Covid and how you know, inflation really came about and how it's. It's not easy to simply just wind everything back. but do you think overall that the focus on, you know, the Iran war and some of these other things that the administration is doing and then Congress, obviously, you know, you and I are both frustrated with the lack of the Senate's resolve, to pass things like the SAVE Act. I mean it doesn't seem like really anything has been done domestically that the GOP can point to as wins and run on the positives. It's more saying, well, socialism is bad, and running on the negatives, which isn't extremely helpful, or as helpful as being able to say, look, here are all of the things that we've accomplished in the first two years, and we're going to do even more in the second two years.
Marlin Stutzman: Yeah, no, I mean, I think that that's. It's easy to get caught in that trap, especially with, you know, the attention given to the Democrat Party and socialism, because that is a fear that that's actually where we're headed. but we do have a lot of success to talk about, you know, whether it's immigration policy. I mean, President Trump, you know, look at the border. That was a major issue, for Republicans, and President Trump delivered. I mean, illegal crossings is almost zero at this point. And also deportations are up. that's one area. Security, safety and security. That's what people want. You know, while as soon as you have an incident like we saw up in Minnesota, mainstream media blows it up. And, you know, Republicans were doing what we said we're going to do by supporting ice, officials, we're supporting the deportations, making sure the funding is there to make sure that our country is safe. And I think that goes back a little bit to what's happening within the Democrat Party, where you see, you know, who's coming across the border illegally. That's now becoming the makeup of, a lot of their agenda. And, you know, look at the United States. Economically. We're still the strongest country in the world, and by far, people want to invest their money in the United States. And I think to some extent, that's what keeps pushing prices higher, because you have more investment coming into the United States. And they're looking for opportunities, whether it's in real estate, whether it's looking for business opportunities. you know, China's struggling. Russia, of course, is where it's at economically. And they're just a big, you know, oil, and gas pump, because that's where they get their revenue for their war machine. you know, look at what other part of the world right now is the place to invest your dollars to make sure that it's safe. It's still the United States. Europe, is so flat. So I think that's where we have things to point to that investments are up, the economy's fundamentals are strong. the border is. Is Safe and secure. we're seeing a fix that's done. And, you know, that's the hard part about a two year cycle in the election process. Sometimes things don't happen fast enough. But I still think we're in a really good spot. Look at Thom Tiffany up in Wisconsin. He's got a strong economic message that points to, Wisconsin being strong economically. They've got, you know, good school choice issues that he can run on. there's a lot of those pieces that still make a difference at home. Local issues still make a difference. And I know people leaving California are leaving because of bad policy, going to states where there's good policy. Those are Republican states and hopefully they remember that.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and hopefully, I mean, the midterms is going to be all about the state level. obviously other than Congress. But a lot of these things are going to come down to the state level. And we can only hope that, that will go as well as 2024 did for conservatives. but Marlon Stutzman, really appreciate it always. great to have your insights and we're praying for you and everyone else on Capitol Hill. You can follow him on X. And we will be right back with more.
80% of abortion vulnerable women choose life after seeing baby on ultrasound
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Massachusetts Governor Healy signed legislation allowing abortions after 24 weeks
welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio. Welcome back.
Jenna Ellis: Well, you've heard us refer several times during this program to the, Massachusetts Governor Healy signing legislation just this past week, removing a rigid late term exceptions and allowing abortions later, later in pregnancy, based on a doctor so called professional, medical judgment. And so what changed is that the law removes a, ah, specific narrow restrictions on abortions after 24 weeks, leaving the choice to doctors rather, than having those protections in place for babies. And you know, it was really just disturbing to see all of the women around, the governor and as she signed this and applauding this as if this is something to be applauded and essentially showing the public that there are still a lot of people in this country that refuse to recognize the truth that every human being is, human and living from the moment of conception and therefore has inherent, dignity and value as a human being made in the image of God and, and has a right to life and protections for life. And so, you know, as we look at what's going on across the state level in the wake of Dobbs, let's welcome in Father Frank Pavone, who's founder of Priests for Life. And you know, this just reminds us, I think, Frank, that we still have a lot of work to do on convincing people to abandon their false view, and embrace the truth of what abortion actually is. I loved what Congressman Brandon Gill, responded to that post from, from Governor Healy and said, you know, I wonder what the preferred, method of abortion is for all of these women, who are standing around there. Because the truth of abortion is gruesome and it's not nearly as safe, quote unquote for women as they, make it seem.
Frank Pavone : No, that's right. And thanks for having me on again, Jenna. This, makes Massachusetts now one of about 10 states plus the District of Columbia, that literally explicitly have no gestational limits on abortion. You know, there are a lot of Americans that just don't believe that abortions are legal even in the third trimester. And it's one of those 80, 20 issues. I mean, we talk about 80, 20 issues. Most Americans would have never, favored abortion, even beyond the first trimester, let alone beyond the second. But we have here, what they did was basically this, in Massachusetts the law said, you know, you can, you can abort a baby up to 24 weeks. Now that in and of itself is outrageous. In fact, any. Let's just frame our comments. Obviously, I think our listeners understand there's no abortion that's acceptable. Doesn't matter the age of the baby or the method by which the Baby is killed. Okay. Granting that, what we look at, what's
Frank Pavone : happening here is Massachusetts said okay up to 24 weeks, but then beyond that you could do it if the physician made a medical determination. Okay. That there was something either that was going to threaten the patient's, that is the mother's life, physical or mental health, or the baby's life because of an anomaly or a diagnosis that the baby wouldn't survive without, extraordinary medical intervention. What the, what the governor and what the legislature in Massachusetts did was it took away all those conditions. And there was a shift here that we shouldn't miss because this was also put in, a lot of these constitutional amendments, pro abortion that passed around the country. And it was this shift before the law said, well, it's the physician's medical judgment. Now it says the physician's professional judgment. Notice the difference? Yes.
Frank Pavone : The physician doesn't any longer need a medical reason. He or she can simply say, well, look, you know, this, this woman has so many social hardships. She has anxiety, she's healthy, the baby's healthy, but in my professional judgment, she should be allowed to have the abortion. That's what we're looking at now in Massachusetts.
Jenna Ellis: Wow. And that is such a different distinction because in professional judgment, it could be for literally any reason, like, you know, she just simply wants the service of abortion. you know, that is a, an incredibly different distinction. And I also noticed, speaking of the wordplay that the Democrats and the left are using, when the governor posted this, you know, she typified this instead of what, you know, the hallmark of the Clinton administration back in the 90s was saying, you know, safe, legal and rare in it's now safe, legal and, and accessible. And that signaled as well that they don't want this to be rare. They want abortion on demand for literally any reason, at any stage, even including after birth. I mean, it's just, it's gone from, you know, from what the Democrats were advocating for in the 90s to now just absolutely horrific, levels.
Frank Pavone : Well, you know, in the 90s, when I started out in full time pro life leadership with Priests for Life, it was the fringe of the pro abortion movement that were standing around the rallies holding signs saying abortion on demand without apology. Now they are the mainstream of the pro abortion side because those were the years, as you say, of Bill Clinton. Safe, legal and rare. You know, they don't want it rare. They want no limits.
Frank Pavone : They want it delivered on a silver platter by express train. You know, and that's what you see again in these constitutional amendments and in these laws. But here's a, here's a way we
Frank Pavone : can fight back here. Okay? If you look carefully at this Massachusetts law, it's going to go into effect in November, by the way. it's not what the other side's rhetoric says. They say, oh, you know, it's choice, choice, choice. In other words, just because the woman chooses, the door should be open. Now, in practice, a law like this permits it, but not technically. Technically, we're still talking about a physician's judgment, even though the judgment is so wide open like we were just discussing. But I think we should challenge the whole situation this way. How about physicians stepping up to the plate and saying, it is my professional judgment that because of the documented medical, injuries, psychological as well as physical, that a woman can have, especially by a late term abortion, I am, I do not think this is good for her health. I'm not going to recommend, this abortion. Or taking a cue from going back 20 years when Congress and the Supreme Court upheld the ban on partial birth abortion, one of the findings of Congress was that allowing these late term abortions arms the medical profession in and of itself. Well, of course, of course it does. It's supposed to be a healing profession, not a killing profession. So why can't a physician's professional judgment, now that you're substituting professional, for medical, why can't his professional, his or her professional judgment be. Well, I think this is harming the medical profession for us to be killing viable babies, healthy babies who can feel pain. what are we doing?
Frank Pavone : We're undermining our own profession. In my professional judgment, the answer is no, you cannot have this abortion.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And I wonder if there are pro life doctors who are willing to stand up and say that and say, in their professional judgment, and also medical saying, you know, the baby is healthy and absolutely, you know, nothing wrong and there's no way that, that this is medically necessary and you know, in any way, and couple the two, how many, of those doctors would be willing to see, say that and face what likely would be lawsuits over that and, or, or simply, you know, the, the woman going and saying, well, then I'll get a second opinion, you know, which is more likely, what would happen. But if, if more doctors would stand up and simply, back the truth and say, in my professional and medical opinion, you know, this is not only unnecessary, but, but it's, you know, it's, it's literally the killing of a child. Perhaps more mothers would be convinced to see their baby, as you know, he or she truly is a baby and that there is no distinction between, except location from being in the womb versus born. and I hope that more doctors will.
Frank Pavone : Yeah, I think our listeners should use this too as a soundbite in their conversations.
Frank Pavone: Abortion is not a medical procedure
There is no medical indication for abortion, period. In other words, when you're challenging someone on this. So what is the disease that abortion cures? There is none.
Frank Pavone : What is the medicine? Any physician knows, you don't intervene medically, surgically or any other way. You don't even touch a patient unless there's some kind of medical benefit that you are pursuing. Abortion is not a medical procedure. It's nothing to do with medicine. And I think this is where we need to continue challenging the entire abortion mindset.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, so well said. I mean this is a, that's what abortion is, is an intervention, specifically designed to stop a pregnancy and cause the death of the, of the child. I mean this is completely elective. and even in scenarios where, you know, the, the medical indication is while we're saving the life of the mother, there are still two patients and you can always try to save both. m. You know, there, there doesn't need to be a medical intervention that is just based on preference or you know, on any of these reasons that of course Massachusetts is applauding, so we're already out of time. But Frank Pavone, I so appreciate it. You, you can follow him and also priests for Life on X and on Instagram, Facebook, across all platforms. They give some really, really good, advice and resources for, for advocating for pro life. And I highly recommend all of those and commend those to your reading because we need to stand up for truth. And this is going to be a continued battle now in the wake of Dobbs to not just talk about abortion on the federal level, but on the state level as well. And as always, you can reach me and my team, Jenna. AFR.net. Preborn has rescued over 400,000 babies from abortion. And every day their network clinics rescue 200 babies lives. Will you join PreBorn in loving and supporting young moms in crisis? Save a life today. Go to preborn.com afr.
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Anthony Fauci should be held accountable for misleading the public about COVID
Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Wednesday, August 12, and we've been talking this week about the Fauci texts and documents that have been released by Senators Ron Johnson and Rand Paul. And it is just completely appalling that there is even the slightest possibility that Anthony Fauci would not be held accountable for his horrific actions and not alerting the, the general public to the dangers and even the theoretical possibilities that he and other, scientists and doctors were exploring at the time about the dangers of COVID And so the Fox News headline is Fauci texts raising Theoretical miscarriage Concern after Cove Vaccine Dose spark backlash. And, you know, backlash is fine, but we need actual accountability. We need follow up and follow through. thank, Florida is doing that I had yesterday, if you missed the program, Attorney General James Uthmeyer here in Florida is exploring all possible options on the state level because of course, Foushee's federal pardon, unless someone challenges it successfully, is going to be that pardon on the federal level. But states need to actually do their job and we the people need to demand that as well, because that's what justice is. That's what a moral and upright society looks like.
Steve Dase: 12% miscarriage rate is 300% higher than average
So let's welcome in Steve Dase, our good friend and radio host from the Blaze. And Steve, you know, I'm, I'm kind of tired honestly of sitting here talking about, oh, you know, this, this raises backlash. And we kind of have, you know, a news cycle or two or maybe the week that we're talking about this. And then Fauci, you know, pleads the fifth, doesn't give anybody really anything else, to talk about. And then people move on to other things like affordability and the economy and midterms and, you know, all these other concerns that we have daily. But justice requires that there be accountability for the horrific crimes that were committed during COVID
Steve Deace: I can't put it any plainer or simpler, Jenna, than our national character here as it stands. I mean, 12% miscarriage rate, and you know, there's two different ways to read this study, but at a minimum, or read this report, of what they knew and what they didn't, I meant, but the minimum is a 12 and a half or 12.7% miscarriage rate. That's over 300% higher than the miscarriage rate in the country. That's the minimum. That is the minimum. most narrow interpretation of their data you could have is that they knew, is that they knew that Fauci knew, knew as early as January of, ah, 2021. They knew that, what this data said and what it could cause, they knew. If we cannot punish that as a people, if we will not defend, I mean, I can't imagine there's anybody, regardless of your politics. I mean, the left has been telling us for a generation, every child a wanted child. Well, if you're still pregnant with that child, I would guess that was a wanted child. Correct. If we cannot defend an over 300% increase in, baby deaths via this drug in which you typically see on a natural miscarriage process, then I don't know that we're really a nation worth defending at that point. I mean, I just, I don't
Steve Deace: know what's left of the heart and soul of the people collectively, the attention span of the people. And when I'm what I'm fascinated about most with this, as someone who's been on this basically since even before lockdowns, and as far as I know, I'm the only person on planet earth that has written two best selling books on, exposing all of this and all the data, all of this short of raising three children to adulthood who don't hate me, don't hate God, and are actually attracted to members of the opposite sex. The biggest, most proudest moment of my life was finding out three weeks ago I was in that little demonic dweebs diary for so tormenting and annoying him they mentioned me by name in his own private narcissistic ramblings. But what's been interesting though, is now Fox News is covering this. And so, you know, I always talk on my show about normie voters. Well, there's Normie conservatives too. And that's your person who. Fox News is as far right as their Overton window gets. And Fox has anointed itself kind of an Overton window of the right. And these are, you know, their viewers who typically don't know much else happening on the right unless it's covered by Fox News. And a lot of times, frankly, there are parents and grandparents because the average Fox News viewer is 68 and a half years old. Fox was firing employees like Brandon Morello for not taking the jab, before, during the jab mandate. And so for now, for them to be the ones. I mean, I first heard this story from Bill Miluchin, Fox News. They're the ones covering this. Ron Johnson did an interview with Fox about this in great detail and took it even further than I am right now in our conversation. So this is now broken into the normie conservative voter. and I think now that now the Overton window here has been pried open lot further. And I can't maybe. I'm sure you've heard this a ton of times in your political career, but if I had a $20 bill for every time a Republican politician has told me in mind, we can't discuss that or do that Fox won't cover it. I had paid off my mortgage by now. Well, now Fox is covering this. And I think also this, this, this, this news, you know, inadvertently coming on the heels of the president kind of breaking the seal on the entire vaccine issue by rolling back the childhood vaccine schedule to essentially what it was when you and I were kids. I think that, there's an opportunity here, and I think that, for justice to roll on like a river and righteousness like a mighty strain.
Jenna Ellis: And I hope that you're right, Steve. and I hope that this isn't just one of these things that gets a lot of attention for a short period of time and then we move on to other things. because again, justice requires that there is accountability, not just the public outcry or the public backlash. And you're absolutely right about Fox News, and I wish that that weren't the case. And I think that we're potentially, especially with the younger generations kind of breaking out of that. But while the, the older establishment GOP is still viewing Fox News as basically their PR arm, anything that Fox won't cover, essentially is not news to them. And you're absolutely right about that. And, it's the same way, you know, with the left for CNN and, msnbc. so, you know, we have, we still have this kind of, party dominant view.
A lot of this comes down to accountability during the Trump administration
And what's fascinating to me as well, I mean, is all of the things that we've discussed, among other things about this story is how much Republicans were not actually willing to cover this, it without Rand Paul being on this like a dog with a bone. I mean, he will not let this go for very good reason because he himself is a doctor and he understands all the implications here. without him really pushing for this, I think the GOP would have been very happy to let this go because a lot of this also comes down to accountability during the Trump administration. And that's the thing that the right doesn't want to acknowledge. Now, reasonable people and average people who were affected by this, of course they're willing to acknowledge that, maybe not, you know, some of the die hard MAGA ones who, you know, Trump can do no wrong, but they should, and they, they can and should put the blame on Operation Warp Speed, on Trump abdicating, his presidency, and especially on Mike, Pence. And you've talked about that on your show even more extensively than I have. And how, how much do you think it's going to take of looking at the stark numbers for Republicans writ large to be willing to say yes, there are some things that even, you know, Trump and his allies are responsible for, for the rise of Fauci during Cove It wasn't all during the Biden administration. And we need to call a spade a spade, regardless of who was in office at what time.
Steve Deace: Well, listen, there are numerous outs here for Donald Trump, and there always have been. I mean, there are two main reasons I sided with DeSantis in the primary over Trump. first and foremost is this. again, all the notes, the thousands of notes I received from people. My mom died in the nursing home. I never saw her again. My, you know, my best friend committed suicide. He lost his celebrate recovery, his 12 step group and got back on the wagon, and you know, overdosed. I cannot tell you how many of those stories I received, being, you know, on the front lines of that battle during that era. And so that was number one and number two, he's a fantastic governor. But, you know, the only reason, it's got to take a pretty extraordinary circumstance to take on a king and your gubernatorial record, ain't it? This was a circumstance to take on a king, in my view. And there were outs for Trump back then, there's way more outs now, way more outs now. Things that people like me were talking about that you never heard about on Fox News. I would imagine that this week, for example, Jenna, this week is the first time anybody, any Fox News, only viewer ever heard of what's called V Safe. And Ron Johnson mentioned it. V safe is a very important piece of evidence. Most of our audiences know what VAERS is, the vaccine adverse event reporting system. Pardon me, but the problem with VAERS is it's very clumsy. the software that you need a physician to report for you. It's a very laborious process. There was a study done, I want to say, late 90s by the Harvard Medical Review, I think it was, that estimated maybe 10% of all vaccine adverse events end up getting through the VAERS reporting system because of just how clunky and bureaucratic it is. So what CDC did is they didn't rely on VAERS. They created a separate database called V Safe. There were over 10 million people in this database from the time the vaccines launched. They knew this data in real time. The entire time their Data was reporting 8% adverse serious. What's called a serious adverse event. a serious adverse event is anything that requires a follow up medical, consultation or care. That could be anything from, hey, I got heart palpitations and went to the ER because they didn't go away in a day to death. All right? So in fairness, there's a wide range of what a serious adverse event was. But 8%, when you consider less than 25% of American adults didn't take any doses of this. Less than 25% of adults didn't take any doses of these. So you start doing the math on 8%. That's an extraordinary number. Extraordinary. We've had vaccines pulled off the market immediately for 1 2%. This was and did not have the penetration and reach of the marketplace that this one did. They knew this data the entire time. And when they were accumulating this data was 2021. Trump wasn't president then, right? Trump now can say, hey, I think you and I both know Donald Trump's never saying I'm sorry for literally anything. Just never happening. Right? Certainly not publicly. It is what it is. But he's got all kinds of places now to say, hey, these, these sons of a gun, they lied to me, right? And I, and I'm the guy that brought RFK Jr. In. I'm the guy that said, hey, tell me the truth. He showed me the data. What did I do? I rolled back the childhood vaccine schedule. I got rid of 60 doses. They were injecting into your children. We went from 72 to 11. When he showed me the data, did I not respond? Yes. Was I not right on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin? And Fauci and everybody told me I was wrong. Right. He's had numerous outs the entire time, but they're even more obvious now. And I think with Fox News and the cat out of the bag, I think there's a lot. There's a certain Trump voter that knew this or suspected it, but because of the overall desire to save the country from Kamala and who the Democrats have become, which is an openly demonic construct, just said, listen, we can't risk an entire country on trying to get, you know, Trump to admit something. it is what it is. I think now, though, he's never on the ballot ever again.
Jenna Ellis: Exactly.
Steve Deace: There is an Overton wind. There's an Overton window opening here now, where he now gets to. He gets to be the good guy here, you know, and if you go back and you look at what happened, there was one shot they took off the market. It was the non MRNA shot, J and J. And notice in Fauci's text, he says, well,
Steve Deace: the risk of miscarriage increases with the second shot. See, it was all the MRNA shots. Pfizer Moderna, those were the ones that required two shots. A lot of people just got the J and J shot because it was one shot, and they thought they could just move on. J and J was the one that they actually took off the market and put a warning signal on. Why does that matter? Well, because Trump hears a lot about loyalty. Who's J and J? Johnson and Johnson, who's one of Trump's best friends that Johnson. That Johnson is. So they. They flagged his shot and told people it was dangerous the entire time. They promoted the shots that they knew were causing a 12.7% miscarriage rate. You see what I'm saying? That's he's there is.
Steve Capone: It's frustrating that President Trump is focused on unrelated issues
If the President were to call me, I could thread in about two minutes a, statement he could make that essentially absolve him from taking any public blame for this, which is, of course, very important to him, while looking like the hero. And it wouldn't require the stretching of the truth one iota. So the opportunity is there for him to be the hero that he loves to be.
Jenna Ellis: M. It's there. And it's just so frustrating that, in my view, that he's not focused on some of these things that actually really matter to the future of our nation. And a lot of people are saying, well, you know, it's in the past, and we have other bigger things like affordability and, you know, other. And the economy and, and immigration and all of that. And, yes, those are big issues, but if we don't actually tackle this and, and require and demand justice for this, then there's a real risk and possibility that something like this will happen again in the future. And it's really frustrating that Trump and his team are so focused on this war in Iran that, frankly, nobody that I've talked to, hardly anybody, is saying, yeah, let's continue this and have this be basically the sole focal point, and not address some of these things. And a great moment would have been when he signed that executive order two days ago on the vaccines, the vaccine schedules, and when he took Cove 19 out of the. That recommendation. And that would have been the opportune moment to talk about this and to tie this in with all of Fauci. But one other, key point that you mentioned, Steve, is when you're talking about they. And what they knew, that is way more and encompasses way more than just Anthony Fauci. And a lot of the. They don't have the presidential pardons. And if the DOJ was serious about accountability at all, and they would be going after more people who don't have pardons, who were just as culpable and responsible for not getting this information out to the public. and, you know, we, we all know the face of Anthony Fauci, because he wanted that and he wanted the fame, and, you know, that's fine. But they should be pursuing all of the people that were responsible for this, because if there had been more people to stand up and publicly say what Dr. Atlas and Jay Bhattacharya were at the time and getting canceled, and Dr. Mercola, you know, who's being hounded by CNN at the time, you know, remember all of that saying, you know, how could you possibly say that these things aren't effective? And, you know, you're misleading people. If more people, would have stood up at the time, then their voices would have been so overwhelming that Fauci couldn't have stopped it. And so there needs to be accountability for more than just Anthony Fauci. Yes, him. But I'm very frustrated that right now Congress and also the DOJ doesn't seem to care about anyone else that was implicated or involved here.
Steve Deace: It's an excellent point. I had Scott Atlas back on my show yesterday, you know, and he Was he reminded our audience again that Deborah Birx was the one executing all those guidelines.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah.
Steve Deace: On the lockdowns and everything else. She has no pardon. You're correct.
Steve Deace: Not a single FDA commissioner that approved these has a pardon. None of them do. So I've got two reasons why I'm confident there will be some justice. James Buffmeier, because he's been an outstanding state attorney general. frankly, in the last few years, he's been one of the best state attorneys. He's become one of the best state attorney generals in American history. And I am confident, knowing him, that this is not just grandstanding and that he is searching for the legal means by which, just like Rand Paul used contempt of Congress as kind of the wedge to the crowbar here to pry open the, to break the seal on Anthony Fauci, or we once put, you know, Al, Capone away on tax evasion. I am confident that Uthmeyer will find the means by which he has a legal opening here to broaden the scope and have the kinds of conversations that you and I are talking about right here.
Jenna Ellis: Mm, absolutely. And we've got to take a break here, Steve. but I, I really hope that that is the case, and I, I really hope that there will be some justice on the state level. And again, I'm really frustrated that the doj, even under Todd Blanch now, doesn't seem all that concerned to go after the people who were responsible. I mean, I forgot about Deborah Burks until you mentioned her, but absolutely, she doesn't have a pardon. and, you know, Mike Pence doesn't have a pardon. What did he know at the time? during Operation Warp Speed, what did all of you know, the doctors sitting on that panel, know at the time? And what. What information were they not giving out to the public? And. And I only mentioned Mike Pence because this needs to be, you know, anyone, regardless of party or, you know, regardless of affiliation, you know, with Trump or Biden, accountability and justice really should be blind, and the American people should deserve it, and especially those, who were victimized during the whole Covid fiasco. But, Steve, appreciate it. We'll be right back with more. Hi, I'm Jenna Ellis. Did you know that this content is listener supported? Without people like you, this podcast would not exist. And that's why we need you. A generous monthly gift of any amount will help sustain American Family Radio and specifically this podcast podcast. Please consider becoming a monthly financial partner today by visiting afr.net forward slg that's afr.net give, welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Bennett: Some interesting primaries taking place ahead of November elections
Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. Well, as I mentioned, some more primaries happened yesterday and Darlene Graham Nordone, the sister of the late seventh senator Lindsey Graham, actually didn't reach 50%. So she is going to a runoff in South Carolina. And the crazy socialist Francesca Hong, who is running for governor of Wisconsin is is actually going to be the nominee. And he's going to face she is going to face off against Trump endorsed Republican Representative Thom Tiffany, in November who's a frequent guest on this program. And so for more on kind of the GOP prospects and what we're looking at in some of the state races, let's go to Congressman Marlon Stutzman, who's from the great state of Indiana. Good morning. And you know, these specific races I think are just evidencing, what we've seen across the board during the primaries that that Republicans are kind of continuing in some of the more conservative lanes. And we're seeing you know, some really good nominees actually coming out of some of these races for the gop and we're getting a lot of socialist candidates from the Democrats. Yeah.
Marlin Stutzman: Good morning Jenna. Great to be with you. You know, on, on one hand, you know, this is obviously I think good for the Republican Party going into November. But on the other hand, it's quite scary that that's, this is where the Democrat Party is now. You know, I would say for many years, even under Barack Obama, we saw the shift of the Democrat Party moving towards socialism and now it's just metastasized into full blown communism, by many of these candidates. And so look at Michigan. I think Michigan's going to be ground zero for this fight in the Senate seat between Abdul Al, Said, who is running for Senate against Mike Rogers, and of course the Democrat Party establishment weighed in huge for a more establishment candidate, Haley Stevens I believe was her name in Michigan. And she came up short, you know, while maybe again good for us and we've got great candidates. Thom, Tiffany, a great friend, is a strong candidate in his own right. I think that you know this. He's in a great position to win the governor's race in Wisconsin. But I guess that when I talk to folks across Northeast Indiana, everybody's like, okay, we can win. But this is really scary, the fact that the major opposition party is so Full of socialism and communists and they even say that's who they are.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And this, this seems to me like we have a lot of races on the state level now that are a mirror and a reflection of what we went through nationally with the presidency in 2024 between Trump and Kamala Harris, you know, where we have Democrat candidates that are, as, you know, as Marxist and as socialist as she was and even more so and more forward, outwardly spoken. So. And I hope that it ends up that they fail as badly as she did and that there's a resounding rejection of that rise in the Democrat Party so that at least the, the National DNC will recognize that this just isn't going to fly in America. But it's fascinating to me to see how the Democrat Party leadership is really not calling this out. I mean everybody who's been on any media interviews, I mean, maybe they're talking about it behind closed doors, but they've said, at least publicly, you know, hey, the Democrat Party's a big tent and basically they couldn't care less as long as someone who's running under a D ticket wins. And I think that's kind of a cautionary tale for Republicans that we need to not get to be such a big tent that we are inviting people in who don't actually espouse conservative principles and aren't advocating for the things that the party overall should be standing up for, like pro life and capitalism, the biblical worldview, limited government, I mean, all of these things. And and we shouldn't allow, you know, especially some of these social issues to creep in and these candidates that are pushing views that really aren't part of what the Republican Party historically has been and certainly not what is consistent with conservatism.
Marlin Stutzman: Yeah, no, absolutely agree. I mean you look what even the establishment Democrat Party looks like. Look at Massachusetts where they just signed into law a Democrat governor there signed into law a bill allowing for abortion up till birth. I mean, we've been fighting the Democrat Party on abortion issues, to that level and to that extreme, for several years now. Now you take it to a whole nother level and I agree with you that we have to stick to our conservative Christian based principles, because that's where we're winning. And you know, I can see it even, reflected in Congress, of the seats around the country where you have strong conservatives. In fact, I would argue under Speaker Mike Johnson, the House Republican Conference is as conservative as it has been. In decades, because you have tight races, you have strong candidates who are out running on a strong conservative platform now, you know, even to the extent that some, you know, have gone off the deep end on issues like Israel and, you know, some other. Other issues as well. But, I think the Republicans are. We're in a great spot with strong leadership. there's a couple of nuances that we've got to definitely address, especially when it comes to the economy and the Iran conflict, which is causing gas prices to, to be high. But I, think that, you know, with the Democrat Party's agenda, I mean, this, this lady running for governor up in Wisconsin, she wanted to take the minimum wage from $7.50 to $20. And again, the. You know, while that may sound good to some people who are. Who are struggling, economically right now, it would kill the economy in Wisconsin. Look at California. I was just visiting with my wife down in Nashville with some friends down there, and I keep hearing how many people from California are moving to Nashville to get away from the bad policies in California and that it's so expensive there. you know, they can sell their home out there for one price, move to the middle of the country and buy twice, the size home, for. For the same, you know, what they sold their home in California for even bigger sometimes. So that's where Republicans really, we have to stay focused on our strong Christian, Judeo, principled, conservative, platform and on our, you know, Christian worldview. Strong economics. I think that's the one place that we have got to do. We're still seeing some, upside, but we're still also seeing some job numbers that came out in July that weren't as strong as we'd like. And a lot of those came out of the hospitality space, which just points to people don't have, the, you know, the extra, you know, funds at the end of the day to go out for dinner, go out, you know, for a quick trip on a weekend and things like that. And But I still believe the fundamentals of the economy are strong. these. These gas prices are what we really got to focus on.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And, and I think that the messaging of that needs to be clear from the gop, and I've talked about that pretty extensively on this program, that when, especially young people are seeing the housing crisis, they're seeing the $20 burrito controversy, burrito gate that happened across social media. And a lot of conservatives weighed in, and a lot of them frankly, were very condescending toward, the young people that are expressing frustration that they can't even go out and afford, anything. And they're saying, well, just stay at home and don't go out. I think a lot of that is kind of missing the mark. And so when you have a lot of these socialists that frankly run a fairly decent, social media game, and a lot of them are very, aggressively using social media, there needs to be a better strategy from the GOP than just kind of this high intellectual sort of criticism that, you know, maybe works in a white paper, but not so much with a young person who is just looking for an alternative to what they're facing right now. And it absolutely shouldn't be socialism and it shouldn't be government handouts and all of that nonsense, but they need to practically understand why capitalism is, better and in the public interest and why socialism doesn't work. And I don't really see the GOP at writ large having really good messaging for that and really good responses. do you?
Marlin Stutzman: Well, you know, I think one of the things that we, we talk a lot about this in our house because we've got two boys, Kristie Anyabwile and I have two sons that are 24 and 20. And so they're, they're just coming out of college, moving into the workforce. you know, both of them are, one's working in construction, the other one's working in agriculture. And now they're starting to pay taxes. And so that's what probably got their attention more than anything else is the fact that, whoa, how much I'm paying in taxes. And we live in Indiana, you know, which is a low tax state. But that to them really makes them think, okay, well, we know where they are at as far as they're good, strong conservative Republicans. They, you know, they are TP USA kids. They know the politics and they know the policy already for the most part. But you know, a lot of their friends are struggling, you know, with their paychecks. They're trying to figure out how are they going to buy a house. A lot of them, I think that's probably the biggest one is looking at buying a home right now is so far out there. Republicans, we passed a good, strong, bill to try to address bringing prices down for homebuilding and home buyers, especially first time homebuyers. but, when the inflation from the Biden era hit so hard, homes just increased dramatically. It's it's taken time for the cycle to come back around. We're starting to see some markets that were so hot, like Austin, Texas and parts of Florida and other parts of the country. Nashville, is another one that the housing market softening up a little bit. So prices may settle, but still, you know, interest rates are still relatively high compared to what we were used to 10, 15 years ago. So there's, there's work to do and I think a lot of it needs to be focused on the economy, where there's job opportunities, there's. There's going to be technology opportunities. but we're. I think we've done the right thing policy wise in the big beautiful bill on our tax policy, on our energy policy. And that's what's going to come home. Where people realize, okay, we're better off under Republicans than we are under Democrats, but Republicans. And I think, you know, Chairman Jason Smith, is the Ways and Means Chairman. He does an excellent job of messaging that. And I've been trying to repeat his points.
Tiffany: I think that when demand is high, prices go up
You know, whether it's the tax policy or whether it's the cost, that we were able to bring down for adoptions, in the big beautiful bill, tax credits to also just trying to lower the cost of what an adoption cost. And then also whether it goes into energy policy and to manufacturing and trying to boost those sectors to where the economy is strong, pricing coming down. Again, it goes back to supply and demand. And when the demand is high, prices go up and we're still seeing that strong demand is there. So supply is trying to meet that. And I've seen that a lot in the restaurant industry. Restaurants are struggling a lot because of the cost of food, the cost of labor. People just can't simply keep up and the prices are so much higher. And it's. It's a real struggle for people.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, it is. And you know, and it is frustrating that a lot of of people who are struggling right now don't attribute this rightfully to the Biden era and you know, how much money was printed in the aftermath of or during Covid and how you know, inflation really came about and how it's. It's not easy to simply just wind everything back. but do you think overall that the focus on, you know, the Iran war and some of these other things that the administration is doing and then Congress, obviously, you know, you and I are both frustrated with the lack of the Senate's resolve, to pass things like the SAVE Act. I mean it doesn't seem like really anything has been done domestically that the GOP can point to as wins and run on the positives. It's more saying, well, socialism is bad, and running on the negatives, which isn't extremely helpful, or as helpful as being able to say, look, here are all of the things that we've accomplished in the first two years, and we're going to do even more in the second two years.
Marlin Stutzman: Yeah, no, I mean, I think that that's. It's easy to get caught in that trap, especially with, you know, the attention given to the Democrat Party and socialism, because that is a fear that that's actually where we're headed. but we do have a lot of success to talk about, you know, whether it's immigration policy. I mean, President Trump, you know, look at the border. That was a major issue, for Republicans, and President Trump delivered. I mean, illegal crossings is almost zero at this point. And also deportations are up. that's one area. Security, safety and security. That's what people want. You know, while as soon as you have an incident like we saw up in Minnesota, mainstream media blows it up. And, you know, Republicans were doing what we said we're going to do by supporting ice, officials, we're supporting the deportations, making sure the funding is there to make sure that our country is safe. And I think that goes back a little bit to what's happening within the Democrat Party, where you see, you know, who's coming across the border illegally. That's now becoming the makeup of, a lot of their agenda. And, you know, look at the United States. Economically. We're still the strongest country in the world, and by far, people want to invest their money in the United States. And I think to some extent, that's what keeps pushing prices higher, because you have more investment coming into the United States. And they're looking for opportunities, whether it's in real estate, whether it's looking for business opportunities. you know, China's struggling. Russia, of course, is where it's at economically. And they're just a big, you know, oil, and gas pump, because that's where they get their revenue for their war machine. you know, look at what other part of the world right now is the place to invest your dollars to make sure that it's safe. It's still the United States. Europe, is so flat. So I think that's where we have things to point to that investments are up, the economy's fundamentals are strong. the border is. Is Safe and secure. we're seeing a fix that's done. And, you know, that's the hard part about a two year cycle in the election process. Sometimes things don't happen fast enough. But I still think we're in a really good spot. Look at Thom Tiffany up in Wisconsin. He's got a strong economic message that points to, Wisconsin being strong economically. They've got, you know, good school choice issues that he can run on. there's a lot of those pieces that still make a difference at home. Local issues still make a difference. And I know people leaving California are leaving because of bad policy, going to states where there's good policy. Those are Republican states and hopefully they remember that.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and hopefully, I mean, the midterms is going to be all about the state level. obviously other than Congress. But a lot of these things are going to come down to the state level. And we can only hope that, that will go as well as 2024 did for conservatives. but Marlon Stutzman, really appreciate it always. great to have your insights and we're praying for you and everyone else on Capitol Hill. You can follow him on X. And we will be right back with more.
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Massachusetts Governor Healy signed legislation allowing abortions after 24 weeks
welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio. Welcome back.
Jenna Ellis: Well, you've heard us refer several times during this program to the, Massachusetts Governor Healy signing legislation just this past week, removing a rigid late term exceptions and allowing abortions later, later in pregnancy, based on a doctor so called professional, medical judgment. And so what changed is that the law removes a, ah, specific narrow restrictions on abortions after 24 weeks, leaving the choice to doctors rather, than having those protections in place for babies. And you know, it was really just disturbing to see all of the women around, the governor and as she signed this and applauding this as if this is something to be applauded and essentially showing the public that there are still a lot of people in this country that refuse to recognize the truth that every human being is, human and living from the moment of conception and therefore has inherent, dignity and value as a human being made in the image of God and, and has a right to life and protections for life. And so, you know, as we look at what's going on across the state level in the wake of Dobbs, let's welcome in Father Frank Pavone, who's founder of Priests for Life. And you know, this just reminds us, I think, Frank, that we still have a lot of work to do on convincing people to abandon their false view, and embrace the truth of what abortion actually is. I loved what Congressman Brandon Gill, responded to that post from, from Governor Healy and said, you know, I wonder what the preferred, method of abortion is for all of these women, who are standing around there. Because the truth of abortion is gruesome and it's not nearly as safe, quote unquote for women as they, make it seem.
Frank Pavone : No, that's right. And thanks for having me on again, Jenna. This, makes Massachusetts now one of about 10 states plus the District of Columbia, that literally explicitly have no gestational limits on abortion. You know, there are a lot of Americans that just don't believe that abortions are legal even in the third trimester. And it's one of those 80, 20 issues. I mean, we talk about 80, 20 issues. Most Americans would have never, favored abortion, even beyond the first trimester, let alone beyond the second. But we have here, what they did was basically this, in Massachusetts the law said, you know, you can, you can abort a baby up to 24 weeks. Now that in and of itself is outrageous. In fact, any. Let's just frame our comments. Obviously, I think our listeners understand there's no abortion that's acceptable. Doesn't matter the age of the baby or the method by which the Baby is killed. Okay. Granting that, what we look at, what's
Frank Pavone : happening here is Massachusetts said okay up to 24 weeks, but then beyond that you could do it if the physician made a medical determination. Okay. That there was something either that was going to threaten the patient's, that is the mother's life, physical or mental health, or the baby's life because of an anomaly or a diagnosis that the baby wouldn't survive without, extraordinary medical intervention. What the, what the governor and what the legislature in Massachusetts did was it took away all those conditions. And there was a shift here that we shouldn't miss because this was also put in, a lot of these constitutional amendments, pro abortion that passed around the country. And it was this shift before the law said, well, it's the physician's medical judgment. Now it says the physician's professional judgment. Notice the difference? Yes.
Frank Pavone : The physician doesn't any longer need a medical reason. He or she can simply say, well, look, you know, this, this woman has so many social hardships. She has anxiety, she's healthy, the baby's healthy, but in my professional judgment, she should be allowed to have the abortion. That's what we're looking at now in Massachusetts.
Jenna Ellis: Wow. And that is such a different distinction because in professional judgment, it could be for literally any reason, like, you know, she just simply wants the service of abortion. you know, that is a, an incredibly different distinction. And I also noticed, speaking of the wordplay that the Democrats and the left are using, when the governor posted this, you know, she typified this instead of what, you know, the hallmark of the Clinton administration back in the 90s was saying, you know, safe, legal and rare in it's now safe, legal and, and accessible. And that signaled as well that they don't want this to be rare. They want abortion on demand for literally any reason, at any stage, even including after birth. I mean, it's just, it's gone from, you know, from what the Democrats were advocating for in the 90s to now just absolutely horrific, levels.
Frank Pavone : Well, you know, in the 90s, when I started out in full time pro life leadership with Priests for Life, it was the fringe of the pro abortion movement that were standing around the rallies holding signs saying abortion on demand without apology. Now they are the mainstream of the pro abortion side because those were the years, as you say, of Bill Clinton. Safe, legal and rare. You know, they don't want it rare. They want no limits.
Frank Pavone : They want it delivered on a silver platter by express train. You know, and that's what you see again in these constitutional amendments and in these laws. But here's a, here's a way we
Frank Pavone : can fight back here. Okay? If you look carefully at this Massachusetts law, it's going to go into effect in November, by the way. it's not what the other side's rhetoric says. They say, oh, you know, it's choice, choice, choice. In other words, just because the woman chooses, the door should be open. Now, in practice, a law like this permits it, but not technically. Technically, we're still talking about a physician's judgment, even though the judgment is so wide open like we were just discussing. But I think we should challenge the whole situation this way. How about physicians stepping up to the plate and saying, it is my professional judgment that because of the documented medical, injuries, psychological as well as physical, that a woman can have, especially by a late term abortion, I am, I do not think this is good for her health. I'm not going to recommend, this abortion. Or taking a cue from going back 20 years when Congress and the Supreme Court upheld the ban on partial birth abortion, one of the findings of Congress was that allowing these late term abortions arms the medical profession in and of itself. Well, of course, of course it does. It's supposed to be a healing profession, not a killing profession. So why can't a physician's professional judgment, now that you're substituting professional, for medical, why can't his professional, his or her professional judgment be. Well, I think this is harming the medical profession for us to be killing viable babies, healthy babies who can feel pain. what are we doing?
Frank Pavone : We're undermining our own profession. In my professional judgment, the answer is no, you cannot have this abortion.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And I wonder if there are pro life doctors who are willing to stand up and say that and say, in their professional judgment, and also medical saying, you know, the baby is healthy and absolutely, you know, nothing wrong and there's no way that, that this is medically necessary and you know, in any way, and couple the two, how many, of those doctors would be willing to see, say that and face what likely would be lawsuits over that and, or, or simply, you know, the, the woman going and saying, well, then I'll get a second opinion, you know, which is more likely, what would happen. But if, if more doctors would stand up and simply, back the truth and say, in my professional and medical opinion, you know, this is not only unnecessary, but, but it's, you know, it's, it's literally the killing of a child. Perhaps more mothers would be convinced to see their baby, as you know, he or she truly is a baby and that there is no distinction between, except location from being in the womb versus born. and I hope that more doctors will.
Frank Pavone : Yeah, I think our listeners should use this too as a soundbite in their conversations.
Frank Pavone: Abortion is not a medical procedure
There is no medical indication for abortion, period. In other words, when you're challenging someone on this. So what is the disease that abortion cures? There is none.
Frank Pavone : What is the medicine? Any physician knows, you don't intervene medically, surgically or any other way. You don't even touch a patient unless there's some kind of medical benefit that you are pursuing. Abortion is not a medical procedure. It's nothing to do with medicine. And I think this is where we need to continue challenging the entire abortion mindset.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, so well said. I mean this is a, that's what abortion is, is an intervention, specifically designed to stop a pregnancy and cause the death of the, of the child. I mean this is completely elective. and even in scenarios where, you know, the, the medical indication is while we're saving the life of the mother, there are still two patients and you can always try to save both. m. You know, there, there doesn't need to be a medical intervention that is just based on preference or you know, on any of these reasons that of course Massachusetts is applauding, so we're already out of time. But Frank Pavone, I so appreciate it. You, you can follow him and also priests for Life on X and on Instagram, Facebook, across all platforms. They give some really, really good, advice and resources for, for advocating for pro life. And I highly recommend all of those and commend those to your reading because we need to stand up for truth. And this is going to be a continued battle now in the wake of Dobbs to not just talk about abortion on the federal level, but on the state level as well. And as always, you can reach me and my team, Jenna. AFR.net. Preborn has rescued over 400,000 babies from abortion. And every day their network clinics rescue 200 babies lives. Will you join PreBorn in loving and supporting young moms in crisis? Save a life today. Go to preborn.com afr.
Jenna discusses the latest on Fauci and his text messages with Steve Deace, then Marlin Stutzman stops by to talk primaries and WNBA, and finally Father Frank Pavone comments on Massachusetts Gov. signing abortion bill
(00:00) American Family Radio thanks sponsor, Preborn for supporting pro life efforts
(01:02) Anthony Fauci should be held accountable for misleading the public about COVID
(02:26) Steve Dase: 12% miscarriage rate is 300% higher than average
(08:20) A lot of this comes down to accountability during the Trump administration
(15:24) Steve Capone: It's frustrating that President Trump is focused on unrelated issues
(21:10) Jenna Bennett: Some interesting primaries taking place ahead of November elections
(32:34) Tiffany: I think that when demand is high, prices go up
(37:55) 80% of abortion vulnerable women choose life after seeing baby on ultrasound
(39:12) Massachusetts Governor Healy signed legislation allowing abortions after 24 weeks
(48:18) Frank Pavone: Abortion is not a medical procedure
Jenna discusses the latest on Fauci and his text messages with Steve Deace, then Marlin Stutzman stops by to talk primaries and WNBA, and finally Father Frank Pavone comments on Massachusetts Gov. signing abortion bill
(00:00) American Family Radio thanks sponsor, Preborn for supporting pro life efforts
(01:02) Anthony Fauci should be held accountable for misleading the public about COVID
(02:26) Steve Dase: 12% miscarriage rate is 300% higher than average
(08:20) A lot of this comes down to accountability during the Trump administration
(15:24) Steve Capone: It's frustrating that President Trump is focused on unrelated issues
(21:10) Jenna Bennett: Some interesting primaries taking place ahead of November elections
(32:34) Tiffany: I think that when demand is high, prices go up
(37:55) 80% of abortion vulnerable women choose life after seeing baby on ultrasound
(39:12) Massachusetts Governor Healy signed legislation allowing abortions after 24 weeks
(48:18) Frank Pavone: Abortion is not a medical procedure
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