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James Lindsay: Western countries committing suicide to let China rise as world power
Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Friday, February 20th and we're going to take a little bit of a 30,000 foot perspective as we often do on Fridays, about kind of the big picture instead of just the trending headlines. Even though this ties into a couple of headlines including Secretary of State Marco Rubio speech, that he gave in Europe, that was really phenomenal and talking and incorporating the principles of, of the west and Western values and really giving a cohesive summary of why conservatism and overall America's founding really matters and was actually birthed out of the Western tradition and the European tradition. And and, and we've been talking for a while on this program about how Islam and the rise of Islam and the infiltration of you know, other ideologies and other legal systems like Sharia law are invading the West. They're invading obviously Europe, arguably have taken over, Europe in some parts. And now there is a really big threat to America which of course I would argue, America is kind of the last stand for Western civilization. And so my good friend James Lindsay, who's a prolific author, and he has a lot of content on new discourses with, was on ah, Prager U this week talking about the question, are Western countries purposefully committing suicide to let China rise as a world power? And this is a fascinating question. So I invited James, to come on this morning and talk about this here. If you haven't had an opportunity to see the fuller conversation on Prageru, I'd really encourage you to do that. But James, good morning. And I think this is an important question. So kind of, you know, give us, set us up with where China fits into all of this.
James Lindsay: Yeah, China is always in the background. The way that I would like people to think about this is that it's just a piece of the puzzle that sort of if you're trying to draw out, I hate to use this phrasing but the master plan, this is a major portion of the plan and that major big picture Plan is that China has been rising now for decades, ever since Mao Zedong died and was replaced by Deng Xiaoping and his new model that he brought in late 1970s, early 1980s, China has been rising. We have mistakenly believed that China has incorporated capitalism, but it has actually incorporated national socialism to drive its economic engine. And it has grown. Well, there's a model that says, that when a rising power gets strong enough to come up against the, existing world power, which is the United States and Western alliance, there's guaranteed to be war. This is called Thucydides Trap, which refers to, the situation during the Peloponnesian War. And so the question has been, for decades from State Department officials like Henry Kissinger and all of his associates going back to the Nixon administration and forward, the question has been, how do we avoid that war if China is going to rise? And one of the answers to that question would be to open up trade routes. And a second answer to that question would be, make sure the west is to fight, are too weak to fight that war. And if we therefore adopt a degrowth model, an ESG sustainability model, we power ourselves with wind and solar, and we invite in lots of migrants, or immigrants that are culturally, different from us, or even jihadis that want to take us over from within, we weaken ourselves. We break apart our cultural unity, and we undermine ourselves economically and industrially so that we will not be able to compet when China becomes strong enough to try to claim the mantle. So being weak will recognize our weakness, will recognize China's strength, and we'll pass the baton. This model is called the Century of Asia or the Asian Century model. the idea being that there was a British century in the 19th and American century in the 20th, and now it's China's turn to rule the world. And so the model is to weaken the west so that it will not fight the war when China gets strong enough to claim dominance. And we'll just hand off the power of global hegemony to the ccp. Wow.
Jenna Ellis: And, you know, this is such a danger. And I think that, the, the question, you know, that was posed is, is that are Western countries purposely, committing suicide? The suicide of the west has, you know, kind of long been a topic of conversation. and the recent focus in the headlines about Islam and, you know, some of these obvious, Western philosophies and viewpoints and legal systems and all of that, Islam has really dominated the headlines. but is that, in your view, a little bit more of a distraction or Just one of the tools that the west is using to commit suicide. But the broader, you know, master plan, as you call it, or typify it, is, is really ultimately about China.
James Lindsay: It's a, it's a tool, but it's also a partnership. China, the communist access, if you want, Russia, have all this whole brics alliance, have allied themselves with the Islamic world and more or less promised them the west of the prize. You can have all of the west if you help us take them off of the table. And so you kind of have this, these two groups, the Islamic Crescent and the neo Communist Axis, that do not get along with one another, but they're more than happy in the short term to overcome the west, to take the west off of the table as the player global hegemony, to remove freedom from the world and democracy from the world and replace it with their models and to split up the spoils at least for a time. And, you know, they can fight that out later. So what you find is that Islam and Jihad in particular are being used as a tool. The Muslims very much want to take things over, just like the Axis, Communist program in the Far east wants to take things over. But in the short term, the west is in the way. And so they're willing, this is called the Red Greene alliance. They're willing to partner and to split the spoils so the west goes to Islam. maybe this is why we see Canada trying to make a strategic alliance with China ahead of, ahead of all this, to basically, bet on. It has these two options, and it's going to pick China over, over the Islamic Crescent as its natural ally. I don't know. But the point is to take down the United States. And this is a tool and a partnership that's being used to do it. Islam being completely incompatible, at least this fully politicized Islamism being fully incompatible with Western civilization causes a division within our politics, a division within our culture, and the inability to fight for our country, not to mention sleeper cells, not to mention, you know, many problems on the home front. And so it weakens us from within. It's just part of the bigger picture of making us unable, unified, to stave off a fight with China, which, by the way, like I said, there were two routes to solving this problem. The other is to open up trade alliances with China, bring China into the developed world. And it is China that has decided not to participate in that in good faith. China has decided it wants domination, not to be a participant in the world stage. And so It's. It's chosen the path of war. And we've. We've led ourselves into believing that this war is therefore inevitable and that somehow China is not the one triggering it.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And, yeah, this is all just, you know, so fascinating in terms of, you know, kind of the. The broader strategy, goals overall. And, how do you think that the Democrat Party plays into this? Because, you know, we've obviously characterized them as Communists. And a lot of them are, including, Mamdani, who's kind of the. The most famous open Communist. I mean, I think AOC can be fairly characterized as that. But really, you know, while the Democrat Party suggests that they're pro democracy, they're pro Constitution, you know, and all of this, I think that they are actually working as enemies within. And they are for globalism. They're for, you know, the rise of, of Islam, for the rise of China. I mean, they're. They're actively working against the founding values that make this country great. do. How does that whole wing of American politics play into this?
James Lindsay: Very much like what you said. there are a couple of different mechanisms or maybe a few. Some of them are, like you mentioned, communists. Mamdani makes an interesting case because he's also Islamist at the same time. He's like the embodiment of the Red Greene Alliance. but the Communists, if you read the last page of the Communist Manifesto, it's very, very clear why they will partner with Islam. It says on the last page of Communist Manifesto that the Communists will take the side of any revolutionary movement anywhere in the world that is against the current order of things. Well, Islam is against the current order of the West. So the Communists will ally with them. And they have been allying with them for decades, going back to the. At least to the 1950s, probably earlier. These leftist Communists, whether it's John Paul Sartre from France working with the, Third Worldist coalition, the Liberation Coalition, whether it's Angela Davis training for her radicalism, Communist Angela Davis, Black Lives Matter, Prison Abolition Queen training with, the Palestinian Liberation Organization in, the Middle East. They've been working together for a long time.
A lot of the Democratic Party has been captured by these dynamics
On the other hand, you have, this spell of inevitability. Whether it's the Muslims saying the jihad is in progress and it's inevitable, whether it's the, Communist axis saying this change in the world is inevitable, whether it's just a big globalist like the Davos said, saying this change in the world is inevitable. You have a lot of people who are very opportunistic, who've been told look, you can't stop the change, but if you help us with the change you'll be taken care of. If you resist us, you'll be destroyed. And these are of course big business leaders, these are politicians, these aren't everyday voting Democrats. But a lot of the Democratic Party has been captured by these dynamics in particular and not, not to mention rivers of money coming from the Middle east and from China. And also direct infiltration. You'll see that direct infiltration, coming out in the news. Here and there we find all of these Chinese operatives embedded within this or this. You'll find the huge amounts of Qatari money or Iranian money injected into that. so they're purchased, they're captured and they are working part and parcel with this. Whether it's because they believe it's inevitable or it's because they've adopte of the ideology or whether it's because their underlying leftist roots mean that they always ally always with whoever the revolutionaries are. Even if those revolutionaries would draw scimitar and cut their heads off after the fact.
Jenna Ellis: Wow. And it's just, it's mind boggling but at the same time it's, it really shouldn't surprise us and it's nothing new.
Are the New Right working for the leftists or are they actually leftists in disguise
but then you know, in talking about the, the true motivations and the financial backing and all of this of the Democrat Party, we need to talk as well about the NewSong Right because there is a huge segment of the right that I think can also fit into that mold that you know, whatever the current system is and the current institutions, the current thing, they want to be revolutionaries as well. And it doesn't matter if the revolution flies in the face of principles or of western values, like this whole crazy, you know, anti Israel, you know, America first means America only, you know, kind of rhetoric. But it almost seems like the the ideology of the NewSong Right is actually leftism just by a different name.
James Lindsay: yeah, that's the only real question about this so called NewSong Right is you know, are they just working for the leftists or are they actually leftists in disguise? Their operational tools are in their own words, explicitly taken from Karl Marx's toolbox. They have an underlying critical theory and Marxist analysis. Again openly. They openly embrace postmodernism and a rejection of modernity. and traditionalism is done therefore in a postmodern performative way. They say this again about themselves. on the other hand, you know, you have this Kerry pregen Bowler showing up to this Religious Liberties Committee, meeting very, very visibly the other day, wearing a Palestinian flag on her, on her blazer and saying that this is in fact a symbol of, you know, standard Catholic belief. So you have this agitation into the faith aspect that many conservatives, you know, root their worldviews on so that they are getting confused. This is a play, this is straight out of the Muslim Brotherhood playbook. I mean, it's very, very obvious that you're seeing plays that are used whether it was straight out of the Muslim Brotherhood or even out of intelligence operations like the Arab Spring, in order to inflame, those communities. So these playbooks have been run. The new right, or the dissident right, some people call it the woke right, are definitely playing their part. So they are a part of this axis against America. And I don't know exactly what they think they're going to get out of it. maybe they've also been made promises. Maybe they're just getting paid in some cases. you know, that this is change. This change is coming and it's going to be bad for everybody who doesn't help us. And you're invited to help us and it'll be good for you. There's a very powerful message for a lot of people.
James Lindsay: We need to be clear on what we mean by fight for West
So yeah, it's a certain, it's certainly another piece of this puzzle. So that the west is no longer under attack by just a red green alliance, but now we have this red green alliance, plus its radical dissident right wing that's helping it in almost every regard.
Jenna Ellis: And I'm sitting with James Lindsay, my special guest this morning. And this begs the question then at least hopefully some on the right can be, persuaded otherwise if, you. Because a lot of them, and I see especially the younger demographic, that's kind of going along with this rhetoric. They're doing it from a place that isn't totally as anti America as the left. they're, they're I think, just convinced by this ideology, not actually thinking it through in terms of the strategy and the history, that you're describing. And so what, what in your view is the most important? I mean, one thing, maybe multiple, angles to try to fight to preserve the west and at least encourage people to not listen to, you know, the, the antics of, you know, the Candace Owens Prejean Bowler, you know, kind of morons of the world. but to actually understand what's really going on in terms of the fight for the West.
James Lindsay: Well, I mean, when we say this fight for the West. We've got to be very clear on what we mean by this fight for the West. And as Americans, what we actually mean is kind of the pinnacle achievement of Western civilization, which was the establishment of the United States of America and its Constitution. So what they need to do is start to look at the Constitution. What I'm seeing with a lot of these young men in particular in the conservative movement is that through their faith in particular, or through agitation about the role of Israel in the world, what we might call the Israel question in parallel to the Jewish question, they're being rattled off of their belief in the classically liberal system that the United States represents and its Constitution consecrates. they are abandoning their covenant to that path, thinking that things have gotten so bad or so desperate that it just doesn't work anymore, that times have changed. And therefore the timeless truths in the Constitution were only for a particular people at a particular time who no longer exist. And we can't go back to. So we need something new. And I would tell them that they misunderstand the situation. They're repeating propaganda straight out of the mouths of our enemies, whether those are Islamic, whether they're Chinese, whether they're Russian. And the goal is to divide us against our Constitution. The American Constitution has the model that is what we really mean by Western civilization is the model of freedom, is the model of pursuing opportunity as you wish. It is not a model of failure or a model of weakness as they're being told. And that if we actually apply it, and we apply it intelligently and we apply it creatively and we apply it with strength and without apology, that it actually can solve all of these problems. So I think that that is the direction that they need to look. So they need to study the things like the Federalist Papers, they need to study things like De Tocqueville and Adam Smith, these foundations of that system, and start thinking creatively about how to apply those in the 21st cent to solve our problems rather than abandoning them and joining in in the revolution.
Jenna Ellis: yes. So well said. And you know, this isn't just about America egocentrism. It's about, you know, understanding the founding and how the Constitution was born out of a recognition of, you know, all of these principles of the Western tradition and the Judeo Christian founding and then codifying this in a way, for a system of government that made the most sense when applying all of those principles of freedom and liberty, genuinely looking at our rights being pre Political instilled by God our Creator, not the government, but, also contending with a government that can get out of hand with, you know, man's fallen nature, predisposition to power, you know, and all of those things. And you're right that the Federalist Papers and also the anti Federalist Papers discussed all of this. And the Constitution is you know, the greatest system, that has ever been devised by man. And we have to actually use that and preserve that. And I would argue that, you know, as we've gone along in our nation's history, we're only 250 years old, we have perverted that in a lot of ways through the amendment process. I mean a lot of the early 20th century amendments were you know, some of the worst ways that we've undermined ourselves. but this whole idea of preserving the west, and ensuring that is linked inextricably with the constitutional order is something that also a segment of the right is trying actively to undermine. Because they're suggesting that the Constitution is no longer like leftists, you know, they're basically saying, well you know, this doesn't work anymore. we have to give the government more power and we have to you know, forcibly push things like blasphemy laws like the Christian nationalists say, or you know, some of these other examples of just of giving government more power because they think that that will ultimately accomplish their ends. But they're. The problem in that of course, is that that only works when they are in power and they don't see also the natural and historical conclusions of every other time that that's been tried that ends up in a totalitari. and so some on the right are actively undermining Western values of freedom and liberty, and Christendom ultimately by suggesting that we need to even overhaul or replace the U.S. constitution. So you know, what do you see for those segments on the right?
James Lindsay: Yeah, actually I've been reading some of their propaganda, or their arguments, if we want to be more charitable. I've been reading some of this lately. And so they make arguments explicitly. Like you know, Abraham Lincoln famously said, a government of the people, by the people, for the people. And they make this argument very explicitly that it is not possible to have a government of the people. It's also not possible to have a government by the people. You can only have a government for the people. Therefore every state. This is actually a conclusion they draw. Every state is actually a totalitarian state. And it's Just a matter of choosing which totalitarianism we want to live under. So there's a. This underlying fatalism that there is no possibility of a government or of a system that allows for self government. That the experiment that the founders of the United States proposed, which was an experiment in self governance, is not possible at all. It's actually a fiction and that's trying to commit to this fiction for 250 years has led us to this crisis point. Not the agitations of communist regimes, not the willful insertion of Jihad to undermine our system, not those things. But know that the system was flawed from the beginning because it itself impossible. Every real state in the world will eventually be a totalitarian state unless it is very, very small. This is a genuine conclusion they draw. And they're using this to confuse young men into believing that the principles of the United States were always a lie. And this of course is the kind of propaganda that serves only one group of people, which is our enemies, the enemies of freedom. Whether they're Islamist, whether they're communist, whether they're fascist, it doesn't matter. The enemies of freedom are the only people that this serves. And so like I said, I've been reading their documentation, their own literature. These are explicitly the things that they argue and they mean them, they believe them. And they're convincing other young Americans to abandon Americanism, to abandon America and to abandon the Constitution to their own detriment on these lies. And it's very important for us to start to engage with these and show that these, these, these arguments are seductive but false. Just like the arguments from the left are seductive but false, just like the arguments. If you read Milestones, which is the Muslim Brotherhood intellectual book, is also seductive but false.
Jenna Ellis: M and you're so right, James Lindsay, that we have to combat these worldviews and these false ide with with truth and with the correct ideologies and the viewpoints and the, the Western tradition and understanding where the Constitution fits into all of this. Because you know, this is like, like I said at the beginning of the program, you know, this is maybe even wider than a 30,000foot perspective because we're you know, kind of even spanning not only American history but you know, the, but world history in terms of why all of this matters. And to connect some of these dots, you know, we're already out of time for this morning. but to connect all of these dots is so important, because especially for those on the right that have been captured by these these false Ideologies, it's even more important to persuade them because I think that they're actually genuinely persuadable. Not you know, not some of these people who are the leaders of the movements, just like you know the BLM Marxist leaders, you know they're absent, you know being saved and accepting Christ as Lord and having an actual regeneration experience. You know they're, they're set in their ideology. They haven't just been taking capture with it and they're going along with this sort of surface level. It's the same for some of these leaders on the right. But for some of the followers that don't actually understand not only the history but also the future and what these ideologies lead to and they don't see it in the bigger picture of this. those people I think can be persuaded. So James, Lindsay, I really appreciate you coming on, on today and for the work that you're doing at NewSong Discourses for, for you know Prager you for putting out some of this content. This is why also you know I've started to do a more short form response videos on TikTok, Instagram and some of these platforms to just call out some of these lies and the ideology and hopefully drive you know some of that audience back to listen to some of these long form conversations because it's so important, important. but we will be right back with more here on Jenna Ellis in the Morning.
Joel Rosenberg: Christian should be watching as China rises, Jenna Ellis
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And if that bothers you as a Christian that China is rising and the question of whether Western countries are basically conceding and they're allowing essentially this dominant world power to to rise and that a lot of the things that we're seeing happening in Europe and other places are essentially conceding a lot of Western values and and allowing for this this, this world power to rise. for Christians this maybe should perk up our ears a little bit about the questions that we've had in terms of eschatology or the end of all things, the book of Revelation. Because China is frequently identified by some who interpret the kings of the east in Revelation 16, verse 12 specifically who March toward Israel for the Battle of Armageddon after the Euphrates river dries up. And due to its growing military economic influence and the Red Dragon symbolism, many view China as a key end times actor. So you know, how do we view the current situation and Current headlines, you know, maybe in light of what, they might forecast about the end of all things. Well, let's welcome in Jill, Rosenberg, who is the host of the Rosenberg Report and also the editor in chief of All Israel News. And, Joel, really appreciate you joining. It's been a minute since we've had you on the program. We've missed you. And so welcome back.
Joel Rosenberg: Hey, it's great to be with you, Jenna. And, greetings from Nashville at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention. And, I'm happy to talk about anything and everything. I just. Yeah, we are. We are on the brink of another major war, in the Middle east between the United States and Iran. But, boy, every capital in the world, not just Washington, is watching. Beijing is watching, Moscow is watching. they are watching what President Trump believes. They're watching what he does. They're watching how he reacts. And I think Christians should be watching because there are geopolitical issues here, obviously, there are religious freedom issues and persecution issues going on in Iran and the region. There are also prophetic implications to some of these things, and I think that should intrigue all Christians.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, absolutely. And, it should intrigue us. And we should obviously think about these things and talk through them from, a biblical perspective, which means, first and foremost, a biblical view of government. We can talk about foreign policy. And, you know, when we get into questions like eschatology, that's. That's a little bit, different of a playing field. Right, because, we. We don't know, what the end times looks like exactly. And, you know, we do have the Book of Revelation, which, you know, as. As someone who, who looks through, the lens of eschatology with a, you know, a literal revelation, it makes sense to me that God, as the author of all things, told us the literal beginning in Genesis, and then we have the scope of human history, and then he told us how things will end and what, signs and signals we can, perceive to know that he will be coming back, in a literal second coming. And so, as we're trying to navigate, some of these issues as it relates to current headlines, I don't think that it's a, it's getting too prophetic to. To ask the questions. Do some of the things that we're seeing now line up with the signs that Christians should be looking for? And you mentioned, you know, Iran, and you mentioned, you know, some of these headlines, and we've seen what's going on in Israel, over the last several Years. And so how do you view this through the lens of Scripture?
Joel Rosenberg: Well, those are great questions, Jenna and I would start by saying that I think, too many, Christians will take an extreme approach, one side or the other, either. There, are people that wake up every morning and they think that every single thing that they're reading about, they want to jump to a conclusion. They want to see everything as imminent, fulfillment of Bible prophecy. And I would be cautious about that. That is not something that I think is always true. But the other extreme is, Bible prophecy doesn't mean anything. Anyone is crazy who studies it or teaches it or tries to look at what's happening in the world to see are there prophetic implications. There are way too many pastors, who just completely ignore prophecy. But 27% of the Bible, Jenna, is prophecy. 27% one in four verses. Half of those prophecies have already come true. A lot of them, most of them are about the first coming of the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth, who we died and resurrected and we know is coming back. So that's, prophecy is very, very powerful. So to ignore it is a huge mistake. And yet that's another extreme that people take. And they would say, well, I'm not an extremist. Well, I wouldn't use the term extremist, but it's a, it's a big mistake to just, just completely ignore or to become obsessed. Now, that being said, Jesus himself,
Joel Rosenberg: criticized people in his generation saying, you know, you, you basically, I'm going to paraphrase, but you watch the weather Channel, you know, you're, you're curious about the, the signs of the, of the sky and whether it's going to rain tomorrow or be stormy or, or, or, or a drought or. So you watch carefully to what's happening meteorologically.
Joel Rosenberg: why are you not trying to discern these times? Why are you not trying to understand what's happening in light of scripture, in light of prophecy? So Jesus admonition is to do it, just to do it soberly and, soundly.
Joel: Israel was reborn as a country in 1948 after 2,000 years
Now that puts us in. I, I absolutely believe we are living in the last days. the fact that Israel was reborn as a country in 1948 after some 2,000 years, of not being a sovereign country and Jews living in exile all over the planet, that is so huge. And it's the fulfillment of numerous, I mean, literally dozens of prophecies, Jews returning from exile to resettle in the Middle east, in the land of Israel, the land of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the land of Zion, making the desert bloom, rebuilding the ancient ruins, having a sovereign nation state. These are the biggest prophecies in history since the Resurrection that have come true in our lifetime and it's been our lifetime. So that's a big deal. Tucker Carlsen might not like it. He might want to fly in and just sit in an airport in a VIP lounge for a few hours, and yell it, Ambassador Mike Huckabee. But nevertheless, this is a big deal and it's important. But when you look at other things, like there are prophecies related to Iran, Jeremiah 49, the last, ten verses or so, say that God is going to get so angry at a last days end times regime in Iran, which in ancient times was called Elam, that he's going to get so angry that he's going to bring judgment by using other nations to destroy the military offensive capabilities of Iran, destroy the king and his regime, the princes around him, and then restore the fortunes of Iran, meaning bless the people of Iran after God has used other nations to, to bring about regime change. Now, I want to be clear, Jenna. I don't know that this is the moment and that President Trump is going to be the actor, in which God is going to use to bring it about. But I'm watching that very closely. That's a set of prophecies that most people don't even talk about, much less preach about. But we may be seeing some of these things come to pass right now. Most of the offensive capabilities of Iran were destroyed last summer. By whom? By Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel and President Trump of the United States. And they may finish the job in the coming hours or days. That would be huge. And again, it's not that we leap. We don't have to speculate. We just study the prophecies, look at what's happening and say, is this possible? And if it is, then we have to say, wow, what does that mean for us individually, spiritually, our families, our churches, our own souls? If God is moving in history like
James Lindsay: this,
Joel Rosenberg: shouldn't we take him and his word seriously?
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, that. That's so true. And Joel, I really appreciate you, framing this as why prophecy is important to Christians, because I think, we tend to categorically, sort of emphasize prophecy too much and look, you know, for signs and wonders and literally anything. Or, probably more regularly in, most, Christian circles today, we almost ignore it too much of saying, oh, well, you know, we're trying to read tea leaves or prophecy isn't as important. But this is a really a big part of theology. And you mentioned that, you know, even the, the prophecies that, have, been revealed and and we've seen the fulfillment even in our lifetimes and in recent history. I mean, it's just proof that God is still moving, that he is telling us, what to look for and that we can expect his, imminent return. I mean, and that's ultimately the goal of, ah, prophecy first was to, foreshadow the coming of the Messiah. And then when he came, it was fulfillment so that we could recognize and have confidence in who he is and who Jesus said that he is. And now we need to have confidence. Yeah. In what the future also holds.
Joel Rosenberg: I would say preach it, sister. I would add, a lot of American young evangelicals are turning against Israel. They haven't been well taught, by their parents, grandparents, churches, schools, colleges, even Bible colleges and seminaries aren't teaching much about Israel. And that's a big mistake, because I can't think of a better apologetic right now in our lifetime than to tell young people who are struggling, is there even a God? And if there is a God, is the Bible really His Word? Is it really useful and trustworthy and relevant to our lives? The rebirth, the prophetic rebirth of Israel in 1948, and, the Jews coming back to the land and rebuilding the ancient ruins and making the desert blue and all those things. This is the biggest apologetic to say to young people right now. I get that you're struggling with whether you believe there's even a God. But the only book in the world that told us that Israel would become a sovereign nation state again after thousands of years of not being one is the Bible. How could God have known that if he doesn't exist? How could the human writers of the Bible. No, that something that's completely impossible would happen. And it has happened. And I happen to live there. And I see, you know, we joke in Israel that the national bird is the crane. And we say that because there are cranes, everywhere, building new buildings all over the country. It's like the reconstruction of the land and state of Israel is happening right now. I'm not saying that every Israeli leader is doing everything right. That I agree with all that, or that Israel isn't making mistakes, that most Israelis don't know their Messiah yet. No, those are all real issues. But to not talk to young people, but all Christians, God is moving. Like you realize that things that were completely insanely, impossible for 2000 years. They exist now. And the headlines that you read about that, Tucker hates us, that Candace Owens says Israel is a demonic nation, you know, Megan Kelly, Nick Fuentes, all these people, the fact they're talking about an Israel that exists, whether you agree with it or not, is Bible prophecy in motion. It shows us that there is a God and that the God of the Bible is that God, and the Bible really is his word. There's no other way to explain it. And that's exciting. And we're. We're really robbing young people of beginning to think that way. I can't think of any other topic. You could have an immediate, short conversation with a young person and say, this is why. This is one of the main reasons I believe there's a God. How else would you explain all this? And, so. And then there's the urgencies of every day where you think, wow, we may be at war by the time this airs. Trump may have made his move. But the point is, even if you set aside the prophetic side of Israel, you see, they're our best ally. and President Trump is not making decisions for Israel. He's making decisions to defend America first, but not America alone. There are 700,000Americans, 700,000Americans who live in Israel. There's no country in the world where more Americans live outside of America than Israel. So if Iran has been firing thousands, you know, hundreds and thousands of missiles directly and through their terror proxies, at a country that has more Americans than any other country in the world, shouldn't the United States, the American president, defend American interests, American lives, American security, as well as our Arab allies, as well as, energy freedom, and independence? you know, and that's what President Trump is doing in a way that no other American president has ever done. And I've had criticisms of President Trump on various areas. You have, but he is. He is rocking it out right now. In bringing down the literal, number one most deadly enemy against the United States. In 47 years, Iran has killed more Americans directly and through its terror proxies than any other country since the Vietnam War. And so the idea that we shouldn't be dealing with Iran, that he shouldn't be. Yes. Good. Try to make it a diplomatic solution if you can. I don't think you can. I don't think this is.
Joel Rosenberg: I think this is a murderous regime
I think this is a murderous regime. Absolutely.
Jenna Ellis: And we need to take a break here. he is. And he's, at the point of decision. We need to Take a break here. Joel Rosenberg. we're going to come right back with more here on Jenna Ellis in the Morning.
Joel Rosenberg: I'm concerned about the Israel derangement syndrome
: Welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And I'm still here with my guest Joel Rosenberg, who's the editor in chief of all Israel News and also the host of the Rosenberg Report. And in the last, segment, Joel, you were talking about President Trump is at a decision point, with Iran and, how, you know, Christians need to be paying attention to what's going on in the world, particularly in light of scripture. We do need to be thinking about, what the signs, may forecast in terms of being just ready for the imminent return of Christ. And, you know, this really does tie into, this whole question that is just bizarre right now that is, cropping up, particularly among young people and kind of a certain segment on the right of being basically anti Israel, I mean, very anti Semitic. and it's, it matters that churches correct that false theology, because it matters that we believe the truth about what the Bible says. And unlike what some very prominent people are suggesting that, you know, the Christian faith doesn't, require an acknowledgment and a love of Israel. I mean, that's just absolutely false. And so, where do you see this heading in terms of, the, The Republican Party overall? because Trump has been a friend of Israel, as, as you very well know, even, even more than me. and, and yet we're kind of seeing this, this split.
Joel Rosenberg: Well, I am certainly concerned about, the Israel derangement syndrome that we're seeing inside Tucker Carlsen and obviously a neo Nazi like, Nick Fuentes that Tucker teamed up with. but others, Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly and now this, Kari Prajan Bowler and others are sort of being drawn into this, these deranged attacks against Israel. Now, there are legitimate questions about Israel, don't get me wrong. And we're happy to answer that. And a lot of you just made a really great point. Yes, I'm concerned about, the possibility that what's happening is Tucker and others are firing essentially political cruise missiles into the Trump, coalition by trying to attack evangelicals, especially most, the vast majority of evangelicals love Israel and they may or may not call themselves Christian Zionists. But if they believe Israel has a right to exist and be safe, and, you know, most evangelicals do by far. But Trump says, I'm sorry, Tucker is saying that we have a brain virus that we believe in heresy, this is Tucker Carlsen, who last year said he'd read through the Bible for the first time in his entire life. So somehow now he's a theological expert and tells us that we believe in heresy, even though Jesus was Jewish and he was an Israeli and all this. But the point is that Tucker and his team are trying to blow up the, MAGA coalition. And that will devastate the, I mean, literally, if the Trump coalition blows up, all pro life, pro family, conservative, pro growth, policies in the House, in the Senate and the White House, they're going to be reversed and we're going to go back into Biden, Obama, you know, Kamala Harris country, I mean, Zoran Mamdani, that world. That's the alternative. And so Tucker is playing a much more dangerous game than I think people realize. It's not just about Israel. That's one point. Second point is you, made a really important point, but almost in passing, that the churches are not teaching this and we need to respond, but we shouldn't be. Just. It's, sad to have to respond to anti Israel sentiment because Israel shouldn't be only a political issue at first and foremost for Christians, it's a theological issue. God starts this process of saying, I'm going to choose the Jewish people and bless them and give them a land. This starts in Genesis 12. And God says that I'll bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. In just the 12th chapter of Genesis, already laying down a, look, this is so important to me. There's a set of blessings that come with understanding Israel and the Jewish people, even if you don't agree with us all. Okay? But understand this is important to me. This is a project I'm doing. God says, and I want you to be part of it.
Joel Rosenberg: I want you to be a, blessing. And if you don't, if you live in curses, there are consequences. Third, I would say, you know, 162 times in the Bible, 162 times the Word Zion is mentioned. And the Zion is. It sounds like a political term now, Zionist, but Zion is actually a mountain right in the center of Jerusalem. And it's a mountain that God says, that's my mountain. I live on that mountain. I love that mountain. I draw my people to that mountain. I've given that mountain to the Jewish people. When I kick the Jewish people out for being chronically disobedient, I'm, bringing them back where? To ZION. And Isaiah 62 tells us, as believers, people who love the Bible, for Zion's sake, I will not be silent. For Jerusalem's sake, I will not be quiet. Meaning. And then it goes on to say, until. Until what? Until everybody in Zion, everybody in Israel does know. The Lord does know his word. And that's our, that should be our heart. not only to bless Israel, and the Jewish people with, you know, against anti, Semitism, against a seven front war, against all this nonsense.
Jenna Ellis: Absolutely.
Joel Rosenberg: But also bless us so that we
Jenna Ellis: can listen and Jill Rosenberg. We gotta leave it here. We're up against the end of the show. But it's so true. We've got to take our theology from the Bible, not from people who just learned about the Bible five minutes ago. As always, you can reach me and my team, JennaAFR.net.
