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Ron DeSantis is running for Florida governor; Byron Donalds is running

Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Wednesday, January 21st, and can you believe it has been a year since, since President Donald Trump was inaugurated for his second term. So he made headlines yesterday in the press room talking about his accomplishments for the first year. And everyone's eye is on the midterms for 2026. And there are some key state races as well, including the race for governor here in my home state of Florida. This is one of the, the most interesting races and I think one that everyone is paying the most attention to because our current Governor Ron DeSantis is term limited. And so who can follow in his footsteps and lead the free state of Florida? Because no one who is conservative and moved to this state because of his leadership, including me, wants to see this state go backward or become purple in any way, shape or form in terms of policy or those wins. And so the Republican primary, is Byron Donalds, who is the current Congressman, very well known because of his Fox News hits. And in my opinion that's really all that he does is just go on media hits and can't really point to anything that he's actually accomplished for Florida. And then the former speaker of the House, Paul Renner's campaign is really firing up this week and we are glad to have him join this morning. He's the former speaker of the House, a veteran, a state prosecutor and a legislator. And so good morning, speaker, we really appreciate you joining and I want to, just for those who maybe don't know, Byron Donald's history and record and maybe lack thereof, I just wonder if you could draw a contrast of why you're running, and why there are so many people, especially if you look online that are saying very vocally in the state of Florida, you, you Know, never, Byron. The state will never, you know, be turned to. Byron. I think a lot of people who maybe haven't been paying attention to Florida politics outside the state are a little surprised by that. But those here in Florida were really not surprised.

 Paul Renner: Well, it comes down to whether your service is for other people, for service above self, or service for yourself. And if you look at our respective records, we came into politics at the same time. He actually ran against me for speaker of the House here in our state House of Representatives. And and my whole life has been dedicated to public service from the time I was 23 on the deck of the USS McInerney in the northern Gulf. 20 plus years in the military, two wars and leadership under pressure, as a state prosecutor, as you noted, and as speaker of the House, really focusing on getting things done, as contrasted with someone who has never really led anything and wants now to be the leader of the free state of Florida and has not done anything in office. And to the extent he has, it's been weak, it's been questionable. You scratch your head and say is this guy really a Republican or a conservative? And that's true. On issue after issue, I pointed out on public safety, you know, he's been arrested not once but twice. He came into the state legislature and pushed soft on crime legislation to let people out after six and a half years on a ten year sentence. So you see him on the street corner and thinking they were going to still be in prison and has talked about police brutality as a problem in America. You know, being anti cop is not what we expect from a governor of Florida. And I've been tough on crime obviously as a prosecutor and as speaker of the House.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And you know, Governor DeSantis was actually on this program last week and was, was also saying that, that Byron's policy doesn't reflect his. And was pointing actually to your record as speaker, during that term and said that that term was, was in his view the best that ever in the history of the Republican Party. so what? He didn't really go into details for that. But what were those accomplishments, when you were speaker under Governor Ron DeSantis?

 Paul Renner: Well, probably too much for us on this show. But look, universal school choice in education. Parents and students decide the best school for their children. Protecting the heartbeat Protection act to protect life. DEI programs pushing back against ESG which co ops our 401k to control our decisions regardless of elections. protecting cops passing constitutional carry. The list goes on and on. Protecting our children from online pornography and addictive social media platforms where a lot of kids are identified by sex predators. These kinds of things. Ah, ending, transgender surgeries for minors, keeping boys out of girls bathrooms. The list goes on and on of conservative accomplishments. And James Madison called our first session the session of the century for a reason. And Jenna, I focused on the mission and this is what, as a veteran, you know, there's a lot of ego and arrogance in politics and politics. My goal in those two years I had a speaker is to put as many conservative wins on the board. We did that. And that's by, by just pushing forward and focusing on other people, not focusing on our own, you know, self promotion is, which is what we see from too many politicians like Congressman Donalds that are just going on t. they're all about themselves. They seem to be getting rich, in office. And that's not who we want in office. We want people that are dedicated to the people and will put Florida first.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And you know, I completely agree with you, Speaker Renner, that it seems like, especially in this media heavy age, that, I mean, if we look at what happened with the NewSong York City mayor's race, I mean, the only reason that Zoran Mamdani, an actual socialist, gets elected is because he popped off online and you know, he had some kind of witty videos, he created this following and nobody really looked seriously at his policies or if they did, they, they really didn't recognize them as socialists. They just said, oh, he says that he's going to give us a lot of great things, but they're not actually connecting the dots and thinking about what that policy means for the city. And I don't want that same thing to happen, here in Florida. And so how do you, when you talk to potential voters in Florida, how do you connect those dots and say, you know, this isn't just a great state because of DeSantis leadership, because of, you know, the speeches he gives, but because of the action that he executes and talk about what is actually possible in terms of policy.

 Paul Renner: Well, leadership matters. And you see the fighting now between the House and the governor and not a lot's getting done. We're not getting property tax reform as the governor's called for. It's just, you see it on issue after issue. So leadership matters. There's nobody in this race that has the leadership experience I have, and also the results of actually delivering results. And there's a big difference, Jenna, between a Campaign conservative and a true believer. We got a lot of people that will say whatever they think you need to say. They're always pro life, but when it comes down to, fighting for life, in the case of Amendment 4, Amendment 3 last year, these extreme abortion, extreme abortion amendment, and also the pot Amendment, they were nowhere to be found. And so leaders step up and fight the left wherever they're found. I've done that on, those two amendments. I've done that on school board races. People want a leader like Governor DeSantis who has gone into every corner and made sure that the left never gets a toehold. I did that while I was speaker. I'll do it as governor. These other guys are focused on, you know, on themselves too much. And especially Congressman Donald's, I'll say is, you know, what's the next thing for him? It's vice president for J.D. vance, I don't know, but it's always a ladder climb. It's not really focusing and actually delivering results, and he can't point to any results that he's delivered.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and that's just not, to me, as a Florida voter, I want someone who is willing to focus on the job and actually execute. And that's what we've had, for the eight years of. Governor Ron DeSantis is just this kind of ruthless executor, and he has just racked up win after win after win. And, you know, speaking about, President Trump's first term as well, you know, we've seen, I think, from Governor DeSantis, this ability to, really have a great friendship with the president while maintaining lines that don't just have him as a yes man to the president, but actually when things like Amendment four that you raise, when that was happening, initially, President Trump was okay with it, but because of Governor DeSantis consistently, talking to him and pointing out, I mean, he famously, actually met with him, and pointed out what the dangers are of that amendment, and then President Trump actually came out and opposed it. that's the type of leadership instead of just some of these yes men, which, you know, Byron Donald, to me, seems very much like a yes man.

Renner is running for Florida governor on a Florida first agenda

So, you know, how do you view the relationship between a governor and a president, especially when it's of your same party? Because you would be coming in with President Trump as well?

 Paul Renner: Well, I'm campaigning on a Florida first agenda, which means I said this last night to a group of activists, is, look, President Trump and I will agree on 90, 95% of things. But where I disagree, where it's on principle. You mentioned one issue that's important to all of us. I will stand up for what's right. And so if that means convincing the president or if it means disagreeing with the president, I'll do that. When it comes to protecting our children from the harm of AI, I don't want to see the federal government with big tech lobby pressure, wipe out any state regulations that protect our children from having AI become your boyfriend or girlfriend, your dad or mom, your God, your oracle. And you see how these young kids, kids are led down a dark path by social media platforms and now AI into anxiety, depression, even suicide. I will stand up and say this is not right. We're going to put Florida first and make sure to try to persuade the President and our leaders in Washington D.C. to not listen to the lobbyists, not listen to the pressures, and make sure we're protecting what we need to do here in the state of Florida. And that'll be putting Florida first always.

Jenna Ellis: And I'm speaking with Paul, Renner, who is running for Florida governor. And you can find more about [email protected] also follow him on social media. He also has, a war room account now at ah, Renner War room on X. also his personal. And you know, one of the, the comments as, as I've been, you know, seeing kind of the landscape here, one of the comments that voters have questioned about your record is where you stand on the Second Amendment, and the so called red flag law in Florida. Can you speak to that?

 Paul Renner: Well, I believe the Second Amendment is an individual right. It's a fundamental right. And I've got a great record on the Second Amendment, whether it's supporting open carry, whether it's passing as a Speaker of the House, constitutional carry, so you don't need a permit to defend yourself outside the home. We also made an effort to unwind some of the things in the Parkland bill that I don't agree with. Did not agree with that at the time. And on the issue of red flag laws, we do not have what blue states have, which is your neighbor can turn you in for having a DeSantis or Trump sticker on your car. A police officer has to sign an affidavit vouching that you're putting yourself or others in danger. this is a situation where, you know, veterans that are suicidal have been saved, family members have been saved, where the guns are not taken by the government necessarily, but can be, given To a family member, you have to go into a hearing within 10 days. And so there's a lot of due process around it. And if I thought that, or think that there's not sufficient due process, then we would add due process. And if I didn't think it could be fixed, we'd get rid of it. But if you talk to most of your sheriffs, whether it's Grady Judd or any of the other ones that people know around here in the state of Florida, they have used it sparingly. but where they've used it, they've tried to really save people's lives in that process. And so it's not the red flag laws that we identify with blue states. I would stand in front of a moving train to stop that because that is absolutely an infringement of the second Amendment. You have to do something to lose that right. And so in this case you have to show that you're about to kill yourself or kill others. And it's just a taking a pause and saying, hey, let's give that to your brother, your sister, your mom or dad while you get some help while we settle the things down. And then you get those back. And there's a process to get those back. So it's not anything like the blue state, red flag laws, what we call red flag laws. And the rest of the country.

Rep. Marlin Stutzman: Country, yeah.

Jenna Ellis: And, and that difference in distinction I think makes a lot of sense and people have been very concerned about due process. But on the flip side, as a former prosecutor, you also posted a video yesterday on this really heinous triple murder in Kme, where the, the individual that was arrested as the perpetrator had used previously in another murder and insanity defense and gotten out, you know, gotten off really quickly. And so your point was that the insanity defense needs reform?

 Paul Renner: Absolutely, yeah. Look, if you are, that bad off from a mental health standpoint, then maybe you're not in a general prison, but you're in a facility, in a committed facility for your sentence. And if that's the rest of your life, that's what you're, that's what you're in for because we're not going to let you back out on the streets. And so I, support a proposal by our attorney general to narrow that down down and do just that when it comes to the insanity defense. But yeah, this guy was prosecuted in 21 and let back out on the street by a very bad prosecutor, Monique Worrell, who's a Soros prosecutor who failed to adequately stand up and oppose that defense. And so we're not going to let these people out on the streets when I'm governor. We're going to make sure to protect people, keep Florida safe. That's first and foremost. And you know, when you go back to, the parkland bill we talked about with respect to red flag laws, we also made sure that we don't have gun free zones. That's what I voted for, to make sure that when a bad guy goes on to a school, there's a good guy with a gun to stop them. And that's fundamental. And so those that didn't support it can answer why they didn't defend our kids and make sure that we have armed people behind the school walls to protect them in time of trouble. And we have risk assessments in that bill as well and hardening for our schools. And we again protected teachers to defend themselves as well in that bill. So there was a lot of good things in that bill, but there was also some stinkers and those stinkers will remove when I'm governor and make sure we have full protections for everyone to exercise their second amendment right unless and until they do something that puts themselves or others in harm's way. And at that point, that's when our laws kick in.

Jenna Ellis: All right, well, former House Speaker Paul Renner, who is running for governor and we have to take a break here but really appreciate it and you know, this kind of policy and depth of understanding, you know, is something that I would actually love to talk to Congressman Byron Donalds about and see what his responses are. We've invited him, of course, like we do all candidates, on to this show and for some reason, he has not yet responded. So, you know, we'll see if we can maybe nudge him a little bit. And for those listening, you're always welcome to drop a comment, on his socials and ask him to come on and answer some of these questions because Florida voters really want to know. But meanwhile, you can go to voterunner.com you can follow Paul Renner on social media, on X, Facebook, Instagram, all of that. And we will be right back with more here on Jenna Ellis in the morning.

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Congressman Marlon Stutzman from Indiana attended Miami game this weekend

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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And I'm realizing that my producer kind of inadvertently, planned our guests where we had, you know, the Florida man, and now we are having the Indiana man, which is, exactly what everybody was talking about this weekend with the rivalry in football. So Congressman Marlon Stutzman from the great state of Indiana, who, their team actually won in that game, joins us now. So congratulations for that. I know there were so many, posts across social. And so many people, literally across the country, not just in Florida and Indiana, were watching that game in Miami. So congratulations to, Indiana.

Rep. Marlin Stutzman: thanks, Jenna. Great to be with you. I actually was at the game, and I lost my voice. I yelled a little too much. But it was exciting, Exciting for Indiana. And, you know, it's just a great, story, you know, from a team that has the most losses in football. And, you, know, through hard work and great leadership, it shows that you win in America. And so thank you. I appreciate it. And we're all very excited.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, that's great. You know, what better way to, like, lose your voice than being at some kind of event where, you know, you're just cheering and it's like, rah, rah. I mean, that's awesome. So. So, that's great. And I saw that. Yeah, go ahead.

Rep. Marlin Stutzman: The Miami fans that I was sitting right around were very loud, so my wife said you don't have to keep up with them, but I felt like I needed to.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, you know, that's totally valid. And, yeah, Miami can get. Can get a little wild, but I saw President, Trump also, and our governor, Governor Desantis, they were at the game and you, know, just looked like a really great time. And, you know, speaking of that, I mean, this is the, the year mark of, actually just yesterday of President Trump's first year in his second term. And, how, how do you, as a member of Congress, you know, kind of look back and reflect on, you know, some of the wins? I mean, definitely there are some great moments, that he's accomplished. I think the overall tenor, at least from, you know, what I've seen, kind of, you know, on the, on the social media side of the world from people, is that, you know, hey, let's, let's try to boost this up in, in, the next year. And especially with Senator John Thune, who was posting, man, he, he got kind of roasted in the comments for the Senate, not doing a whole lot. But what's your perspective, from Congress's vantage point?

Rep. Marlin Stutzman: Yeah, well, I'll tell you. I mean, I served during the Obama administration from 2010 to 2016, and then I, I left for eight years. And so coming back, my perspective is maybe a little different than some others. But I tell you what, I think it's so refreshing to have a president who leads. And, you know, he's not perfect. But I'll tell you what, he's, pro America. He believes in America first and that he believes that a strong America is good for the world. And I agree with that. So, you know, when there's been frustration with Congress because Congress isn't getting things done and getting it passed, I disagree with that to a point. you know, we passed the big, beautiful bill. It had the most policy changes in it. It was all in one spot. I think that's where it kind of gets lost. I mean, we defunded Planned Parenthood. That's a huge deal. I mean, if that would have been a standalone bill, there would have been so much attention on it from the media, there would have been more attention on it, you know, within the pro life groups. but that was a huge win. That's in the big, beautiful bill. You've got, of course, energy policy. You've got, education. There's education choice. That was in the big, beautiful bill. And of course the tax policy. You know, we cut taxes, and kept tax rates where they're currently with the Trump, tax cuts from 2017. And so I think because it was so big, it's hard. It's sometimes easy to forget. And, you know, looking at all the pieces that were in the bill, that we passed. And it's, easy to label it the big beautiful bill. Well, people need to say, well, what's in it for, you know, what's in it for the American people? And I think that's where it sometimes gets lost. But we also did a lot of other policy changes as well. But the big. I think the biggest hurdle that we have is, you know, even though we've got a small margin in the House of Representatives, the filibuster rule in the Senate still keeps Republican bills from passing easily. And I know that, you know, there's going to be senators that argue, well, that's the way it's supposed to be. I don't agree with that. I think that, you know, the American people elect a particular party and they expect the majority to then govern. And, in this case, the Republicans in the Senate can't truly govern because Democrats can always throw in a filibuster. And, it's an easy filibuster. so I think that's why it becomes a. That's the problem where we can't get all the bills passed that we'd like to pass because Chuck Schumer Democrats can do an easy filibuster and just stop any sort of movement by the Republican leadership.

Don Lemon: Congress needs to do more on religious freedom this year

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And, you know, you mentioned, pushing through some of those things, that we're advancing pro life. I mean, that's one of the top priorities, of course, here to, our base here at afa. And there's a lot of focus on that, of course. And you know, with everything, that's been going on in Minnesota, and especially with the invasion of that church in St. Paul on Sunday and everyone I think, who is rational is, you know, kind of clamoring for accountability. for a long time, conservatives have been asking Congress to remove, and repeal the FACE Act. And now there's been some discussion to actually charge some of those people under the Face Act. I'm of the opinion conservatives still need to push, for the repeal of the FACE act that was weaponized by the Biden DOJ that could be weaponized in the future. There are a lot of other ways, that the DOJ and statutes that the DOJ can prosecute, and hold accountable, you know, those under, What is Congress's view on that and your view on, you know, potentially, repealing the Face act and doing more on the pro life front in, this next year?

Rep. Marlin Stutzman: Yeah, I'm all for it. And I think that, you know, one of the things that we're seeing. And, you know, President Trump is so good at letting the American people see what the problem is. And that we're seeing in Minnesota, where they have had the most liberal government. I mean, I think people, you know, we always focus on California, Illinois, NewSong York, and they're very liberal, but Minnesota is so liberal in their policies over years. And that, you know, that's now starting to show. And whether it's. I mean, this. I have a friend of mine who's in security, and he actually does, security with churches and does consulting and shows them, hey, this is how you keep your church safe. If there were, you know, heaven, forbid ever an attack on a church on the. On a Sunday morning or at any time for that matter. You know, it could be a Christian school that, you know, a person walks into, like we saw in Tennessee, and starts shooting kids and, teachers. So the fact is, is that we have got to do more, and we also have to call out the left for, you know, promulgating this sort of behavior and by pushing policies that allow for this to happen, that, I mean, even though that act could have happened in Indiana, there are laws on the books in Indiana that would. That would be. That would prohibit someone from walking into a church and behaving like that. They could do it, but they would be prosecuted. And so I believe that, you know, not only does, you know, President Trump has been the strongest leader on religious freedom, not only here at home, but around the world. And I believe that this is going to, again, push us. Whether it's at the state level, they won't do it in Minnesota, but a lot of other states around the country will pass laws to address this. But I believe that Congress needs to act and do the same thing. Just like we have the national guard in Washington, D.C. to make sure that the D.C. residents and the visitors to our nation's capital are safe, we need to do the same thing and allow. Make sure that churches have the tools and the ability to keep themselves safe as well.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And, that's so important, I think, especially, you know, as we are seeing, the rise of the left and they're being increasing, increasingly hostile, toward Christians in particular. And, it's very important to ensure that, churches understand how to protect themselves, keep themselves safe. what is your reaction, Congressman, to, you know, Don Lemon going into this church and actually interrogating the pastor and suggesting that somehow that invasion is protected by the First Amendment, and he's, you know, invoking the Constitution to protect. I mean, it was just. It was bizarre.

Rep. Marlin Stutzman: It was so bizarre. And that's what. They've lost it. The left has lost it. I mean, our. This country, our country was founded on religious freedom and the right to assemble. I mean, those are in the First Amendment. I mean, you know, I believe that religious freedom is the most important freedom and right that we have, and we need to protect. Because if you lose religious freedom, you basically lose all of the others, because then free speech is more difficult, because then you can't debate religious differences. You can't debate. You can't worship the way that we want to worship. And I think that that's why it's so important to protect religious freedom and to protect the church in America. Because if the left, I mean, just like in Covid era, I mean, that's when I think we saw the left really come out and, you know, show their true colors. And when they went after the churches, they didn't go after bars and taverns, they went after the church. And I think that's where Christians, some Christians woke up during that period of time realizing, oh, the government does have a lot of power. And, you know, and we just. We just buckled. And I think that's where a lot of the movement started, where Trump, you know, makes his comeback. Because we. We don't want to go down that road. We don't want the government to be, basically saying when we can. And when we can assemble and allow somebody to walk in. And that is just. I don't see how it ever passes a Supreme Court decision at some point, because you have to protect religious freedom and the right to assemble. And so when the left starts defending that, it just shows again, where they really are. They are against Christianity, they are against faith. Now, if it was a Muslim mosque, it would probably be much different. They would argue that you can't do that. But we know in the Bible that the Bible says that the world is going to be against us as Christians, but we just need to continue to stand and be strong and fight back those who are wrong, and fight for freedom for all people.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, absolutely. And so well said. And I hope that this, is a moment in America's history that churches really understand, that we do need to stand strong and be prepared for, unfortunately, some of those types of events. And, you know, we've taken, I think, for too long, we've taken for granted the, protections and liberties that we have in this country. That, thankfully, the Trump administration, is very much, Supporting and the Republican Congress as well. And so looking ahead, to the midterms, you know, that was, that was kind of an implicit focus of President Trump's, ah, press conference. And I'm speaking with Congressman Marlon Stutzman from the great state of Indiana. where do you see the Republicans need to at least catch up that lag time between, you know, what, what you're talking about are their priorities versus the perception of the voters, in order to secure the majority. Still for 2026.

Rep. Marlin Stutzman: There'S two things, you know, we need to focus on. I mean, obviously, you know, whenever we come to an election, everybody says, you know, it's the economy, stupid. And I think that we're seeing this economy really growing. I still think that it still needs to get to Main Street America, because I still hear from, you know, small businesses and people that are still living paycheck to paycheck. I mean it's the inflationary period that we went through under President Biden, has had such great consequences. I mean, all of a sudden everything went up in price. The cost of life is now much more expensive, thankfully, because of, you know, President Trump's energy policy is Republicans, keeping taxes low in the big beautiful bill and cutting spending, that's something too. We're actually cutting real dollars in Washington D.C. so the cost of the government is going to go down. We're going to start seeing, you know, instead of concern about our debt, which is still huge, and we have to continue down this road of cutting spending so we can reduce our debt. it has to happen. But, but the economy has to be strong.

Marlon Stutzman supports support for law enforcement

And I think also this, this idea of keeping America first, making sure our borders secure, making sure people are safe, in our communities. I mean just this sort of defund, the law enforcement mentality, it's still alive in the Democrat side in Washington D.C. in Congress, I mean we, we see they want to defund ice, you know, and there's been some very unfortunate events, you know, pertaining to ice when they are doing their job. But the best thing that we can do is support our law enforcement because that's what's going to make, keep us all safe. And if there's anything that we all want as human beings is we want to know that we can go to bed at night and we're safe. And an open border policies is not safe for the American people. And so those are the things I think that people will see that Republicans and President Trump have done and are doing and are going to continue to do it. But if we sometimes lose focus on, you know, things, you know, you know, hopefully the woke stuff is beyond, you know, things we have to deal with, but it's still those things that'll come back. I mean the, left just doesn't stop on the abortion issue. that's another one that we have to just constantly be vigilant at. And I think if we continue to focus on the right things, you know, leading with our faith and treating people the way that we want to be treated is going to help us win, but at the same time be willing to fight back. And President Trump is a great leader to do that.

Jenna Ellis: All right, well, Congressman Marlon Stutzman, go get some tea and honey and hopefully you don't have too much more, media and talking today. But, you know, great, great, win for all of you in Indiana. Congratulations on that. Follow Congressman Stutzman on X, Facebook, Instagram, all of those accounts and you know, what's going on from Congress. He's one of those, actually puts out some really good information, information on his socials. So you need to be following that. We will be right back with more.

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The Supreme Court is hearing arguments on President Trump's firing of a Fed board member

He is the communications director for the Mises Institute. And you know everybody is talking though today about Greenland. And President Trump actually appears to be very serious about acquiring Greenland. We're still continuing to cover that story. And that coupled with the Supreme Court today is hearing arguments on President Trump's firing of a Fed Reserve Board member. so that member is contesting and challenging her removal by Trump. So that is Trump versus Cook. You can hear those oral, oral arguments online this morning if that interests you. she was an economist appointed to the Fed by Biden and was tapped for a 14 year term in 2023. but Trump's attempt to distribute dismiss her this past year was blocked by federal courts. And now she is arguing that the President did not meet the for cause standard required under the Federal Reserve Act. So your thoughts on all of this and you know, how this relates overall to the economy going into 2026.

Tho Bishop : Well then we're also waiting to see if the Supreme Court's decision on tariffs comes out. It's a very, very exciting week, on a number of fronts. and I mean yeah, I mean just this is classic Trump era politics where there is a constant cycle of big events going on. I mean any one of these things alone would be a huge moment for a normal president juggling three, big stories. And that is enough on its own. and you know, obviously with the World Economic Forum going on in Davos and a lot of the bringing in a lot of the major players in Europe, United States, with the shadow of the Greenland conversations, I think that's one of the most more interesting stories out there in part because on top of the question of you know, what comes next there, one aspect I think is fascinating that has significance going forward in some ways is you know, you're seeing even like the European right wing parties, start pushing back on Trump out of the concerns over their own national sovereignty. and kind of the concerns of how explicit some of the threats on Europe are. And Marine Le Pen was one of the first leaders pushing back on some of the Greenland rhetoric. And I think it's fascinating because it's kind of this resurrection, it's requiring Europe to concede that it is definitely the junior partner of this relationship and how that shapes going forward, is going to be I think something really, really fascinating independent of the Greenland, you know, whatever Happens with Greenland. Mark, Carney from the Prime Minister of Canada, kind of made similar remarks at Endavas about how the old world order is ending and we can't. Nostalgia is not a strategy and things like that. Most of these people I don't particularly like, but it is interesting. I think this, the moment with Trump right now is making explicit what has long been the implicit. And what that means going forward I think is really, really fascinating. and so again it's just, it's a crazy time. It's a very crazy time. and how it shapes going forward is going to be something that I don't think anyone can predict at this point.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, I mean, also fascinating. And you know, you mentioned, Davos and President Trump, flew yesterday to Switzerland. There was an issue, with the aircraft, Air Force One that he was flying on. They came back immediately, said it was a small electrical issue, and then he continued on in a different aircraft, to Switzerland. So thankfully, you know, all is well there. What, what do you expect from Davos? I mean historically this has been a venue where President Trump has made a lot of, you know, the Soros backed kind of, you know, left wing mafia, really upset at, his direct attacks on you know, a lot of their leftism, and globalism and you know, some of this, Do we expect kind of that spicy of remarks?

Tho Bishop : Yeah, I have a feeling that Trump is not going to be, is going to be bold. you know, this is the big moment right now. I think, you know, it's I think that this is something I think Trump likes. He obviously likes being the center of attention. And now this entire meeting has been defined by his approach to Greenland. and so it's one of those situations where he's used to being not the most popular person in events like this. I think that's obviously a big part of his appeal, domestically. but it's gonna be, you know, but he also typically has a better behind the scenes relationship with people like, you know, Macron and with some of these figures and how this is tested going on this particular issue. you know, it's. I don't think there's much to pull from, you know, to figure out exactly what's going on here. you know, this is a kind of a unique issue. Rather than disagreements over, let's say, you know, strategies with Ukraine, it's very different than questions over trade policy with the eu. this is Something that the EU really sees as a threat on their individual national sovereignty. And so, you know, I'm very fascinated to see is Trump doubling down on Davos. Does he make, a more explicit, threat, if you will, obviously with some of the disagreements or the trade issues going on, you know, how exactly this plays out, being in the room there on this particular issue, I'm fascinated to see what it looks like.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right that it's going to be fascinating, to see. And Trump is also expected to emphasize, tariffs and economic nationalism. Again, you know, this in the wake of the Supreme Court being poised to determine the extent of presidential authority on imposing tariffs. So, you know, how, may he. I mean, President Trump isn't really known for, you know, trying to kind of, couch the. The issue subtly and, you know, kind of predicting where the Supreme Court will go, all of that. He just says what he thinks, and that's one of the things that people, you know, either love or hate about him. I think it's a great thing to know exactly where he stands, even if he could at times be a little more restrained. But on the issue at least of tariffs, what do you expect from him? And overall, do you think that they've been successful to the extent that he promised?

Tho Bishop : Well, I think he's definitely going to double down on the importance of tariffs and his grand global plan. again, it'd be very interesting to see when the Supreme Court decision comes down, how broad, I'm expecting some sort of pushback on tariff, powers there. How broad that decision is is going to be really, really fascinating. again, obviously, this is back in the forefront with some of the pressure being on the Greenland question now in terms of effectiveness. you know, I think it's been one of the major drivers that has hurt a lot of the affordability issues, this past year. there's a lot of areas where you've seen major important gains. You see it in gas, you see it in eggs. You see it. There's definitely areas where, just as what. As it was in the first term, deregulation, things like that have improved, affordability issues. But there's other areas where it's not getting there. Right. We're still dealing with an inflation rate well above inflation, is not entirely. Not driven entirely by tariffs. there's definitely bad Fed policy involved with that, but it does play a role there. And if I, was the Trump administration concerned about affordability, you know, Allowing the Supreme Court to take away the tariff issue, would be a. And then complaining about it would, I think, would be a major asset there. obviously, the Trump administration still sees. It's very important in terms of, onshoring and things like that. I see the effectiveness of that in the long run. but I think part of all of this is that Trump is a president of action. Tariffs being an easy button to be able to use the foreign policy tool has been important for him this first time. And, given the frustrations on domestic policy with how incompetent Congress is, I think that this is why foreign policy is defining, Trump 2.0 is because he wants to get some stuff done, foreign policy as a way of doing it. And so it'd be interesting to see, to what extent the Supreme Court limits the tariff power, that kind of intersect between those two different worlds.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And, you know, this is. This is a really interesting topic as well.

Bishop: Getting housing affordability under control is the biggest issue facing Republicans

The whole subject of affordability. I mean, that's kind of been, though, Bishop, my special guest this morning, content director for the Mises Institute. you know, this has been kind of a, Democrat term of choice. and a lot of people, I think, kind of read into it because it's a little bit vague, what the Democrats mean by affordability, what conservatives mean by affordability, what Trump means by affordability. do you think that he's kind of playing into this sort of linguistic vagary that the left prefers, quite frankly, because then they can, you know, make it mean whatever they want it to mean, when it comes to actually talking about affordability, or should he maybe use some. Some different, more concrete terms, or how should Republicans address that?

Tho Bishop : Well, the biggest problem is that, you know, so much of what is driving the inflation, things like this, are systemic Washington problems that no one wants to address. No one wants to address federal spending, no one wants to address, the full extent to which Washington makes things more expensive. And so there is this constant game of trying to elevate certain. Look at egg prices here, but ignore housing prices over here. Look, you know, we've had success on the gas price front. you know, but, you know, let's ignore other areas, you know, that have that look so well. Right. So the entire game. And, again, even if you wanted to do it, Congress is. Does, you know, Congress doesn't provide much help there. The entire system is systemically designed right now to take more from the American taxpayer than they give back. And so this Entire thing just becomes this little game of talking points. and so, yeah, I think Trump's done the best job he can in trying to not just talk about affordability in the broad concept, but trying to identify particular areas, where prices have gone down. But I think that when he talks about how great the economy is as a whole, I think that misses the mark because a lot of people that voted for him know that it's not. And I think you can't, you know, telling people something that they know instinctually that they experience in their day to day life isn't true. you know, I don't think that ultimately is a winning political strategy, regardless of anything else.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And you know, and I think that both Republicans and Democrats kind of do that. Right. Like when their person is in office, then the economy is going great. When their opponents in office, the economy is terrible. Right. And you know, and regular Americans are like, you know, hey, we want you to actually address reality of what's happening. And Republicans really need to do that. So, you know, just in, in the last minute or so we have, you know, overall, where should Trump be focused on the economy specifically, for things that, that actual Americans care about?

Tho Bishop : Well, I do think, some of, you know, I'm glad we're, we're moving away from the 50 year, a mortgage. it sounds like his next move is going to be allowing for 1k for, for house housing. Getting the housing issue under control is the biggest thing. Unfortunately. A lot is the state level stuff, but we need to be building more, more homes and we need to be making it easier. Getting that aspect of it under control is, I think one of the biggest issues. There's a lot of focus on it right now, but it tells us a massive impact on the supply side. That's going to be a difficult one, but I think that they recognize that's one of the top ways that people are feeling this. And so I'm interested to see what else they come up with.

Jenna Ellis: All right, well though, Bishop, appreciate your perspectives. We'll look forward also to see what Trump has to say in Davos and where he takes this. And also the Supreme Court arguments today start at 10am Eastern. You can always go online and listen to that, but follow so Bishop on X and also the Mises Institute. You can always follow me and my team or reach me and my team. Jennafr.net PreBorn's whole mission is to rescue babies from abortion and lead their families to Christ. Last year, PreBorn's network of clinics saw 8,900 mothers come to Christ. Please join us in this life saving mission. To donate go to preborn.com afr.