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Jenna Ellis: I love talking about the things of God because of truth and the biblical worldview. The U.S. constitution obligates our government to prove, preserve and protect the rights that our founders recognize come from God our Creator, not our government. I believe that scripture in the Bible is very clear that God is the one that raised up each of you and God has allowed us to be brought here to this specific moment in time.
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The clash over support of Israel is not just an issue here in America, but worldwide
The clash over support of Israel is not just an issue that we are facing here in America, but even worldwide. And there was a letter from the patriarch and heads of the churches in Jerusalem posted on the 17th affirming that the Holy Scripture teaches us that we, though many, are one in Christ and individually members of one another. citing Romans 12:15 they said that recent activities undertaken by local individuals who advance damaging ideologies such as Christian Zionism mislead the public so confusion and harm the unity of our flock. So the that was widely disseminated. And ambassador Mike Huckabee posted a response on X saying that the statement of non evangelical churches in Israel he issued the following. essentially saying that labels such as Christian Zionism are often used in a pejorative manner to disparage free church believers of which there are millions across the the planet. He says personally I'm part of a global and growing evangelical tradition that believes the authority of scripture and the faithfulness of God in keeping his covenants that includes the covenant with Abraham and the Jewish people. My Christian faith is built on the foundation of Judaism and without it Christianity would not exist. Without the Judeo Christian worldview there would be no Western civilization and without Western civilization there would be no America. And Ambassador Huckabee joins me now. This was just such a brilliant statement. I wish that more true believers and, and Christians worldwide would be able to express this understanding. Ambassador of God's enduring covenants with Israel and that doesn't necessarily mean that we have to have a commitment to a particular government or government policy. But we do understand that God is the same yesterday, today and forever and that he doesn't break his cov even with the nation of Israel.
Mike Huckabee: Jenna, such a pleasure to be with you. And thank you for having me on to amplify this. The simple answer is that if God can break his covenant, if God would break his covenant with the Jewish people, then what on the earth would make me think that he wouldn't break his covenant with me? You say, well, because the Jewish people, they sinned against Him. And we don't do that. We do it every day. We are saved by grace. We're not saved because we've done something wonderful for God. We're saved because God has done something wonderful for us. He looks past our sin. He looks past all of the things that we have done that deserve his punishment and his wrath, and we receive his grace, his gift. secondly, it was a little bit unfortunate that this letter came out because I don't want to engage in a contentious argument with my brothers in Christ. And I consider the people from, what I would call the more traditional liturgical churches, that really came into their own in the third or fourth century. they would say that they go all the way back to the origin. I know some evangelicals who think they do, too. I would say that our roots, like it or not, are in Judaism. Jesus was Jewish, the Apostle Paul was Jewish, the early Church, they were all Jewish. Whether Christians wish to admit it or not, that's where our roots are. Had there not been a God who revealed Himself first to Abraham, then to Moses through the Law and through the prophets and through the judges throughout all of human history, there would be no Christian faith. And our confidence in Jesus is based upon his being, the fulfillment of all of those prophecies.
: But let's step back.
Mike Huckabee: When the letter came out. One of the things that I found interesting in the letter from the patriarchs was that they said that no one has a right to speak but us on the issue of really the. The authority of the Holy Land. And I'm thinking, okay, if there's only one voice, then how come that voice is split up into the Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Arminian Church? I can tell you from living here in Jerusalem, there are a lot of different churches even who signed that letter. They don't agree on everything. So why is it that evangelicals are required to agree with them on the idea of replacement theology, which I find very, very difficult to accept and believe? I tried to write the letter, my own post on X, as, you know, a gentle way to say, look, I love you guys, you're my friends, and I know every one of them personally. but to make the term Christian Zionist sound like Something that is a, ah, brain virus. As Tucker Carlsen said. I find that very objectionable for the simple reason that it's not hard to say I'm a Christian. That means I follow Christ. A Zionist means I believe that the Jewish people have a right to be in the homeland that God gave them when he first told Abraham, this is your place and I'm giving it to you. Those who bless you will be blessed. Those who curse you will be cursed. I'm a simple guy. I believe the book and I believe that God has a place for the Jewish people in their indigenous and ancient eternal homeland. That simple.
Jenna Ellis: And I love the way, Ambassador, that you are articulating the simplicity of it and the dangers for Christians of replacement theology, of believing that the church has replaced Israel and that the Old Testament is no longer relevant for Christians today. obviously the full counsel of God and his Scripture is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction and righteousness. As the Apostle Paul admonishes that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished into all good works. We believe that as Christians we believe in the inerrancy, sufficiency of the Bible. And yet there is this, this segment of even the so called right that are very anti Semitic, very anti Israel and it's infiltrated, infiltrating their policy views from the position that they suggest that America should not be Israel's enduring ally. And I think they're conflating what it means to first be a Christian and allow our policy to build up from there and understand this, this history and this worldview from both a biblical and a foreign policy perspective. How do you how do you understand where America should fit into that framework? And your response to those who say, well, America first means America Only?
Mike Huckabee: Well, the President has made it clear that America first has never meant America Only. And if anybody has a right to define what that means, it's the person who originated it, the person who is the author, the person who is the father of the America first movement, Donald J. Trump. So it would be ridiculous for someone who says, you know, I know more about America first than the guy that created it, that would be a bit on the arrogant side. So I'm just going to assume that when the President says America first doesn't mean America Only, that we do live in a world, it's sometimes dangerous and we position ourselves so that America first means that sometimes America's interests are best served by having partnerships with other countries, be it Israel, or for that matter being at the UK or France or Japan or a host of other nations with which we readily have trade and agreements and security arrangements. Those are all very, very important and positive things. I would say that let's take two different tracks that one could say give reasons that America and Israel should maintain its partnership. I could argue solely on the geopolitical, that there is vast reasons that it makes sense for America to recognize what it gains from its relationship and partnership with Israel. I could also argue it from a biblical perspective. I think both are valid. I think when you put them together, it becomes almost not just irrefutable, but it becomes use, the term irreplaceable to say we have a relationship here. the US and Israel have security arrangements that are beneficial to America. We benefit from their technology, from their medical advances, from their intelligence that help us save the lives of Americans from terrorist activity. We also benefit in agriculture and simple things, cherry tomatoes, seedless watermelon, car navigation systems, and the all important cell phone that we wouldn't have had it not been for some of the early adaptations of technology in Israel. But let's look beyond that. I'm a Bible believing guy, Jenna. It's pretty simple to me. It says it in the book. Good enough. I may not understand every nuance of it, but I'm going to believe that it is the infallible, inerrant word of the living God, both Old and NewSong Testament. And I don't see an inconsistency between the Old and the NewSong. And in fact, in the NewSong Testament, Romans 11 makes it very clear that Christians don't replace the Jewish people, that we should be blessed and grateful that we have been grafted in. But we're grafted into the Jewish faith. They're not grafted into us because they have really been formed as the foundation and what Jewish people believe in the Old Testament, as Christians, we believe it. And I've always been taught that, not just in Sunday school as a kid, but also in seminary as well.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And and this is why I believe that Christians need to be educated in theology, the study of God, to then understand how these doctrines and what the Bible teaches, are incorporated into our worldview or our view of the world. And you mentioned in your statement, Ambassador Huckabee, that it's hard for me to understand why everyone who takes on the moniker Christian would not also be a Zionist. And that has made sense to me just in the plain reading of the Scriptures. And yet we're seeing kind of a fracturing in some segments of this country that I think was sparked by that, that interview between Senator Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlsen where, unfortunately, I think, the senator was not very articulate in the way that he presented it, and it almost seemed just kind of a glossed overview of a much more rich and substantive theology and heritage. And so what do you attribute, this rise of, of antisemitism that it seems like we're seeing in some of these on the right, including Tucker Carlsen. There's been even some, in my view from, from other podcasters, even, you know, Megyn Kelly, certainly Candace Owens and others. that is very damaging to the overall conservative movement that is grounded in a biblical, truthful worldview.
Mike Huckabee: I think it's perfectly okay if there are some people who, do not necessarily think that the United States and Israel should have as close a partnership. I disagree with them. I can give them good reasons.
People in Israel can criticize their government because they elect it
I think most of their views of that are based on a lack of understanding of where the value to America is. But if they have that view, that's a legitimate view. That's part of free thinking, free speech. Where the line is drawn is when people begin to say that Israel is an apartheid nation. That is demonstrably untrue, or that it's genocidal, that is demonstrably a lie. When we hear those kind of things, or even worse, that Israel is killing children or it's doing these evil things. We have to stand up against that. I live here. I'm telling you. it's very frustrating sometimes to see the kind of libelous things that are said toward Jewish people in general and Israelis specifically. Are they perfect?
Jenna Ellis: No.
Mike Huckabee: Is their government perfect? Nope. Neither is ours. And you know what? The unique thing in Israel, People here can criticize their government because they elect it. They're the only democracy in this part of the world. They're not surrounded by any country that elects their own leaders and then gets to criticize them without fear of being shot or put in prison. we ought to be grateful that we have a culture and that there is a government in the Middle east that reflects the values, the culture, and the form of government that we have embraced in the United States and that is willing to partner with us, share information, technology, and advancements that make us a better America.
Jenna Ellis: So well said.
Ambassador Mike Huckabee urges Christians to pray for Israel peace
And, Ambassador Huckabee, you end by urging believers to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. you're there. You've seen it firsthand. we're so grateful that you are, there as the representative for The Trump administration. What does that prayer actually mean in practice for Christians today? And how would you encourage our, AFA family to pray for Israel?
Mike Huckabee: I think it's, praying for the peace of Israel. What it really means is praying that people will see and come to a knowledge of the scriptures and embrace God as the Father and as the Creator. I think a lot of the reasons that anti Semitism has risen its ugly, dark head is because it's not a political, economic, social, or military issue. It is a spiritual issue. And I'm just convinced that if people would spend time in the word of God, spend time on their knees and really ask God, show me, God, show me what is the way? I'm convinced that many of these really outrageous things that are being said would not be said because people would have a better understanding of what truth is really about. I'm not talking about those who say, well, let me tell you what my truth is. There's no such thing as my truth versus someone else's truth. Truth is objective. It's true or it isn't. And I would just encourage people, to study the scriptures, start in Genesis, just keep going Old and NewSong Testament. It's not inconsistent. And there is a body of evidence to show that God is a God who keeps his promises, he keeps his covenant. If I didn't believe that, then I have no hope for my afterlife. It's all based on the notion that no matter how much I fail, God will never fail. No matter how much I fail to live up to his standards, he will never fail to live up to his standard, which is that he has made a promise never to leave me or forsake me. That's something that not only do I embrace, but I embrace it because it's what God says. It's amplified in the word over and over. And if God is breaking his covenant with the Jewish people, then I could be prepared that he would break it with me.
Jenna Ellis: It's the hope that we have in Christ, and that is what we are staking our eternity on. So, Ambassador Mike Huck Huckabee, thank you so much for your clarity, for your consistency, and for your faithfulness to the truth of Christ our savior, and also for your work for the Trump administration. You can follow Ambassador Huckabee at gov Mike Huckabee, and we'll be right back with you.
Jenna Ellis discusses Christian theology on American Family Radio this morning
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And I'm so grateful for Ambassador Mike Huckabee, who joined us in the Previous segment, talking about the inerrancy and sufficiency of Scripture, which is of course, how we build our hope for eternity in the finished work of Christ Jesus, in the truth of the Gospel and in the full counsel of God. And for Christians, because we live in an era where Christ has come and we have seen our Messiah, who lived and died and rose again, does not mean in any way, shape or form that the Old Testament is somehow irrelevant to the truth of today. And we understand, of course, that there is a distinction, between, in eras, between, the Old Testament Jews looking forward to their Messiah and now we as Christians, which include, the Gentiles that were grafted in looking to, that truth of our Messiah has come, that is Emmanuel, God with us. That is what we celebrate, on Christmas Day, we celebrate throughout the year, and then Easter, of course, Resurrection Sunday of the finished work of Christ. And so we have to understand, these theological concepts so that we aren't led astray by unsound doctrine. But we can, as the Apostle Paul admonishes, rightly divide truth from error. And so I'm so thankful to have Pastor Jack Hibbs, ah, pastor of Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills, join me, for these next two segments to talk about these things and to get a little bit deeper into theology.
Pastor Jack says there is a systematic departure from the full counsel of God
Pastor Jack, I just so appreciate you and I, love the conversations that we have, about truth and theology and why is it so important for Christians to understand why the Old Testament and how the Old Testament is still relevant in terms of the full counsel of God to the Christian today?
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Well, first of all, Janet, thanks for having me on. But listen, you. I wish more pastors would say what you just said in your opening lines. This is what we need to hear today from America's pulpits. But we're not hearing it. And here's the reason why. Jesus promised us that in the last days many would depart from the faith. Paul the Apostle warned us about the same. Peter warned us about the same. You mentioned at least twice the full counsel of God. There's been a systematic departure from the full counsel of God to such an extent, Jenna, that I'm going to say something that is going to sound radical to some people. And yet, if you, if, if you look back over the Last hundred years, 200, 500,000 years, 2,000 years, it wouldn't be radical at all. And here, here it is. We have no idea if the NewSong Testament is true. Unless we study the Old Testament, everything that was promised in the Old Testament is recorded in the NewSong. And those prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled, we will know of their fulfillment based upon the NewSong Testament recording what the Old Testament has promised. And this covers all area from soteriology, I.e. salvation found in Genesis 3:15, to eschatology again, the prophets, the Hebrew prophets. Bottom line is this. When people today say that replacement theology is the way to go, they are fulfilling what was warned about in Scripture. That there are those who claim to know God, but they deny the power thereof. They have a pick and choose type of theology which is completely not NewSong Testament and is certainly not Old Testament. Honoring the Old and NewSong Testament are completely symbiotic. They completely unite. We wouldn't know one without the other. So, Jenna, we're living in an age right now where people conveniently name the name of Christ, say that they're Christians, and then say that God has done with Israel, which is literally an incredible offense to not only the promises of God, the character of God, but throw away your Bible. It's ridiculous. And so, we're at a time. This is a defining moment, Jenna. I'm actually excited about it. I embrace it. I'm always labeled a Zionist. Yes, I am, because the God of the Bible is a Zionist. He said that he's going to establish the throne of David in the city of Zion through Jesus Christ. It's called the millennium. Christ is returning to fulfill those promises. And when you hear a pastor or denomination or person say God is done with the Jews, then it's too bad Paul the Apostle didn't know that when he wrote Romans chapters 9, 10 and.
Jenna Ellis: 11, amen and amen. And, you know, it reminds me in this day and age of people who call themselves Christians, but they deny, what Christians actually believe as the same thing as the left saying that men can become women. I mean, you can't claim to be something and then not actually fulfill the substance of what the term inherently means. Words match reality, definitions matter. And that is a leftist linguistic vagary that they try to use a vague term like Christian and then have kind of this big wide ten. And anybody who claims that they're a Christian is. But they don't actually have to fulfill a common definition and understanding what it means to be a Christian.
People need to be careful when they say they're a Christian
So let's just, let's start there. Let's just define, Pastor Jack, what it means to be a Christian. For the person who says, I am a Christian, what does he or she actually have to believe in as the central tenets of the faith.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Yeah. Well, first of all, I'd like to ask that person, when they say they're a Christian, to define that definition. Meaning to be a Christ follower. To be a Christian is to be a Christ follower. Well, what does that mean? That means to be a disciple. What does that mean? That means that you are to be a student of the word of God, not. Not of your opinions or feelings or what's trending on the news. This is this position that never moves because scripture never moves. So when somebody says, I'm a Christian, then we hold to what the Bible has to say. And when Jesus says, I'm coming back to Israel, I'm coming back to Jerusalem, I'm going to establish my throne, my foot's going to touch the Mount of Olives, it's going to split open, I'm going to go through the Eastern or the Golden Gate, I'm going to establish my kingdom. From zechariah to Matthew 24, this is common in scripture. Every Christian up until recently would have known that. And so to say that you're a Christian is to adhere to the full counsel of God. We cannot be picking and choosing what we want to believe. The problem, Jenna, today is we've got. We've got pastors in pulpits from seminaries who didn't teach the full council of God. So people need to be careful when they say they're a Christian. You need to be able to define that and you need to be able to describe what it means to be one. And here's the big question. Why are you a Christian? A lot of people today can't even explain why they're a Christian, nor can they explain this most fundamental question. How does God forgive sin? So somebody says they're a Christian. Yes, I'm a Christian. Okay, on what basis is your sin forgiven? And they go, church attendance, tithing. You cannot be something that you cannot define. And so many people today do not know theology because they just grab the word and they let labeled it onto themselves and they can't explain it. If they could, Jenna, if they could read their Bible and explain what it is that they claim to believe, then they would be Zionist. I'm not going to apologize for that because that would mean God. If I apologize for being a Zionist, then God's got it wrong because he says over and over again he's going to restore Israel. He is going to use them to reach the ends of the earth. The tribulation period is a great part of that. By the way, think about that the tribulation seven year period of time is going to be a. The bulk of brand new Jewish believers born again who cover the earth. Think about the 12,000 from each tribe, covering the earth and preaching the Gospel. That's not, that is not allegorical. That is not a story, it's a fact. It's going to happen and people need to wake up and really take evaluation, as Paul said. Examine yourself to determine whether you really are in the faith or not.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And being a Christian, taking on that definition and presenting yourself as a Christian necessarily means then that you believe what the Bible says. You believe in the truth of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. And you, and you also believe in the truth of the reality to which God has presented us. I mean, I always say, Pastor Jack, I'm not a Christian just because I believe, that, that God is there at, you know, somewhere and he's, you know, my personal path to salvation. But you know, hey, if Buddhism or you know, Shabbalah or whatever, you know, works for you, hey, you know, you, do you. This is just the best path for me to live my best life. This isn't about me. This is all about recognizing my relationship with God and that he is the divine authority, the author of all things and the reality to which I'm presented, the human condition, the fall, the purpose of man, all of that is wrapped up in who God is. And I only have identity through understanding who he is. I can only recognize the truth of who I am as a fallen sinner because of understanding Him. And so my identity is fully, completely in him. And that, that includes my identity as a woman. How God created me, gave me immutable characteristics, including my sex, my time of birth, my age, I mean all of these things that are immutably discerned and delegated by God Himself. Those things are non negotiable. And so as, as our founders understood and as C.S. lewis wrote and so many others, we discover truth while we discover the person of truth. And because we know that God himself is, and he always will be, then only through that understanding first of who he is, we can then define and understand the rest of his truth. And so a Christian is a person who confesses faith in Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior, repents for our own sin, and believes that he is the eternal Son of God. Fully God, fully. Man who died for the forgiveness of sin, rose bodily from the dead and through whom salvation is received by grace through faith. And then we build our theology, of course, from there and so many people, Pastor Jack, they go to these churches, they don't even know what their church stands for. They don't even know what a statement of faith means. They just go like, you know, it's, it's their Rotary Club or something. And they're like, you know, hey, whatever. Everybody believes, you know, we're here on Sunday to feel good about ourselves. That is not at all what the Bible requires.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: It's actually deception. Jenna. You just described deception in the last days. You ask somebody, why do you go to church? Oh, they got a great children's program. Well, that's great for the kids, but why do you go to church? What's, what's the whole, you know, and if somebody were to go to a church and experience the full counsel of God, the scripture makes it clear that we are going to be instructed, exhorted, we're going to be rebuked, we are going to be challenged, we're going to be taught, we are going to be discipled. Listen, not all of that is, a rose strewn path. Sometimes it hurts, sometimes there's conviction. It's the way that God works. And so people today pick and choose their church like you said it, like they would pick a country club or a golf course. There's a reason why the Apostle Paul, in his lamentation, when you look at the book of Acts, he's on that beach, he's assembled the Ephesian elders together there at that beach. He's about ready to head out and he's saying, some of you are never going to see my face again. But this I know for sure, I have not shunned, I've not shied away, I've not been a coward about bringing to all of you the full counsel of God. I am free from the blood of all men. And for Paul to say that that means that he got into teaching the Old Testament, which, Jenna, remember, Paul the Apostle did not walk around with a NewSong Testament under his arm. He taught the Old Testament scriptures and showed them the doctrines that we all love and the doctri doctrines that the NewSong Testament has in print, that's what they used. Paul when he evangelized. He used Isaiah, he used Jeremiah, he used Zechariah, he used the Old Testament scriptures. So for somebody to come along and say, well, you know, we don't need to read that anymore, you're not getting the full counsel of God. Well, our church teaches out of the NewSong Testament. Listen, I heard somebody recently tell me that their church that they attend, they do not teach on Bible Prophecy because they said it's confusing for people. Well, 27 to 33% of the entire Bible is prophetic. Can you imagine going to a church where they make the announcement, hey everybody, we're glad you're here.
Whether you believe in replacement theology or not, what does it matter
And by the way, we are such a great church, we teach 75% of the Bible. I'd get up and walk out.
Jenna Ellis: Absolutely.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: It's the full counsel of God. It's the full counsel of God. And to short yourself in that is to, is to do yourself a profound injustice, to say the least. You're tampering with fire.
Jenna Ellis: Absolutely. And you would be falsely calling yourself a Christian because a Christian inherently means something that is non negotiable and it has a correlation with a truth of reality. And this is why these, what, what some people would say, you know, oh, intramural debates and you know, whether you believe in replacement theology or not, what does it matter? Absolutely it matters because we have to get right the common definition of what it means to be a Christian because we want to be Christ followers. And so, you know, circling back to this whole conversation about replacement theology, why is this so important to understand that this is the full counsel of God that is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction and righteousness, that the man of God may be thoroughly furnished into all good works. I mean Paul tells us that in Scripture that isn't just speaking about post Christ. and so how should we understand why the full counsel of God matters?
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Because, question to everybody. Is Jesus Christ coming back? He said he would. Where's he coming back to? Is he coming back to Palestine? is he come to, is he coming back to Aiela Capitolina as Jerusalem was renamed? No, he says he's coming back to Israel, he's coming back to Jerusalem, he's going to establish the throne of David for a thousand years. Jesus said that. The Scripture says that about Jesus Christ. And when someone says, well, I'm for replacement theology, you are literally superseding the word of God. You're calling God a liar and that God is not unable to communicate to us clearly. And so it matters because, and I believe this Satan's ploy is to get people to believe that Jesus is not coming back, that he's coming back in some sort of, some sort of ethereal, some sort of, allegorical way. No, not at all. The scriptures right now are absolutely certain, certain and clear regarding the age in which we live in. Satan has always tried to tamper with prophecy. That's why the Old Testament condemns the living of a false prophet because souls are at stake when they prophesy falsely. And then the scripture in the NewSong Testament tells us, as it does in the Old, you better not add to this book regarding prophecies because God takes it very seriously. I believe it's Satan's plan to work through the replacement theology crowd to try to get people confused and thereby muddy up the waters of Bible prophecy, which Revelation 19:10 tells us is all about. The spirit of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. So we live in the prophetic days. And how do we know? Well, we're looking around at our world with the Bible open, newspaper open. And we also hear a lot of people saying, yeah, no, God replaced Israel. Real, this is that and that's the other. And it's all been changed. That just tells me we are so close. We are so close. So I don't fall for it, people. you know, so I'm not going to even mention her name. She's a big podcaster, keeps calling me a, Zionist. Amen.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: I wear that. I am proud about that. Thank God she understands my message that God is not done with Israel and we've been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel and the Lord will come back. He will re establish his government, his politics politic in his second coming. So yep, I'm, I'm excited.
Jenna Ellis: Amen. I am too. And you know, this, this whole question and getting off into, you know, these these perversions of scripture, it reminds me of the original question that the serpent asked Eve in the garden. Did God really say. Right. And everything that is a lie about the truth always starts with that question. Did scripture really say that God's covenant would persist? to, to Abraham? Did God really say. And all of these things to try to get us off from the straight and narrow path of simply interpreting the plain language of God's revelation to us in scripture.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Yep, exactly. Right, exactly. Let's God has spoken. He's never led us astray. What he has said in the old, people need to ask this question. Whatever he prophesied in the old, is that what came to pass when those prophecies were fulfilled? For example, Isaiah 66 tells us that in one day Israel would become a nation again a second time. What nation on earth has ever had that happen? Only one. When did that happen? May 14, 1948. But watch this. The replacement theology people will say, Jenna, that. Oh, that doesn't m. That doesn't count because they don't believe in God. They're they're, they, they don't believe in him. They're very secular. Guess what? Ezekiel says that when he draws them back into their own land, they will come back in unbelief. The scripture anticipates everything. What happens is when somebody mouths off like this, it only exposes their spiritual stupidity in what God has said. They, they, they say, oh, this is an illegitimate nation. They literally are exposing their ignorance of the prophetic word of God. They would do better just to kind of check out for a while, read the Bible and they might land on their feet if they did that.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, this is why the study of theology matters. So that you can kind of step away for a little bit and read and learn and then go and engage sound doctrine. And that clarifying lens of truth then will, be the lens by which you view reality. Because if it's distorted, if it's, shaded, then your view of reality has shifted. And so many people aren't even aware that they have put on, you know, there's, there's a very common analogy, that, that is, you know, you put on blinders basically, or put on lenses or rose colored glasses or, you know, whatever hypothetical you want use to use that shifts your view of reality. And you have to put on the correct view in order to view the world through the lens of truth. Because anything other than truth is a distortion. And so, Pastor Jacobs, you are my special guest this morning. We're going to take a break right here and come right back to continue to talk about the things of God and truth.
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Jenna Ellis: Islam is watching Christian response to Minnesota church invasion
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And during the break, Pastor Jack was saying something just really profound that we've got to, actually get on the program because we were talking about why truth matters and why the church has to stand up for truth. And especially in the, area of, the current headlines, which, of course, when we look at what's going on in Minnesota right now, these, these often, increasingly violent protests and now the invasion of a Christian church by leftists and, even Don Lemon, who, who, now is looking perhaps, down the barrel of the DOJ's charges. But Pastor Jack, you know, you were saying that, Islam is actually looking at the Christian response to this. unpack that for us and why that matters.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Yeah, absolutely, 100%. All you need to do is look at the history of Islam. People would do well if they studied that on how they advance. How did Islam get into Europe, for example, what is known as the Crusade period? Well, the reason why there were Crusades is because they were first jihads launched into Europe. And of course, in 1683, on September 11, the Polish king of Europe defeated the Islamic forces at the gates of Vienna. That said, it is a pattern of Islam to watch and to see and to test the culture, of, of Christianity, meaning this, probe, poke, see, find a open door, whatever it might be. This event that took place in Minnesota, everybody be aware of the fact that Islam's watching this. They're watching how the government responds to it. They're watching how Christians respond to it. They're watching how the pastor responds to it. They're watching how the media responds to it, and they are hoping and expecting nothing really comes of it. Why? Because this is exactly historically what happened in Paris. It's what happened in Germany. it's what, it is what's happened in England. And what happens is you are not going to see this, Jenna. Go on in a mosque. No one's going to go disrupt A service at a mosque. It's not going to happen. It's just not going to happen. But where this coming weekend? What church is next? How many churches are next? Because Islam will not come to the defense of free worship for everybody under our, constitutional rights. Because if you swear an oath to the Quran, you cannot swear an oath to the U.S. constitution. They're mutually exclusive. It's a divided loyalty. It's not going to happen. This is a very serious moment in America, because if this Department of Justice doesn't do something that's a sad thing. Don Lemon needs to be arrested. He. He actually broke the law. The, face act. He broke that. You. Churches don't realize, I mean, people do not realize that churches are private property. You just can't go into a service and disrupt it. That's illegal. But the other thing is this. This just stokes the movement of Islam in the United States because it emboldens them. and don't be surprised, folks, that in the next couple of weeks or a month, you're going to start seeing more and more carpets, so to speak, rolled out for prayer because they believe it's their constitutional right, which is a ruse to go into your church during your service and roll out their carpet and pray to Allah, which is not the God of the Bible. And they're going to say it's their constitutional right, just like Don Lemon said to the pastor, it's our constitutional right, First Amendment, to come and invade your. And to interrupt it. I mean, that was epic. So, Jenna, people need to wake up to the fact there's. This is not one little one off. This is a testing of the window, a shaking of the door to see how far they can go. If no noise is made, if there's no legal action, and if churches do not stand up and speak up with the backbone, then Islam will do in short order what they've already been able to do in Paris and in London and in other places, places throughout Europe.
Jenna Ellis: And that is such a timely warning, because this is shades of COVID in 2020, that, you know, if, churches were not willing to stand up and say, no, we have a right to stay open. You can't tell us, how and when and where to gather according to what the Bible commands. And, it's actually a protected right in this country. And so those, governors, like in your home state of California, who were telling churches, including your, yours, that you can't gather, they were actually the ones who were violating the constitutional protections that our founders, enshrined to ensure that we as Christians have those protections. And so this is yet another clarifying moment. And it seems like it is just, you know, hit after hit after hit against Christians. But I think in some sense, Pastor Jack, it's almost like we in America have taken our blessings of liberty for granted for so long that now it's almost like we're surprised when some of these, other, you know, false views and these attacks on Christians happen. Even though if we look throughout biblical history, throughout world history, we see that it's the same thing. It's just in, maybe a different guise or the. The flavor of the day issue. But nothing under the sun is new.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Right? Right. Exactly. Well said. And so people need to realize, didn't Jesus warn us that in the last days, all of these various things increase in violence, lawlessness, the love of many will grow cold for each other? all of these false doctrine, false teachers, false religions. Jesus said himself, when I return, will I find faith on the earth? I mean, please get back to the Bible. We need to stop goofing around with other books and other things and distractions. We are the most distracted generation in the history of man. And that is not, any form of an exaggeration. We need to get back to the Bible and hang on to it and, and stop letting people. People live their lives vicariously through other faith people, not knowing what they themselves believe. When they say, well, my pastor says or my. My denomination teaches, forget about that. What do you know? Do you know Jesus personally? Do you know that he died on the cross for you personally?
Do you understand that if you confess Jesus Christ, you are saved
Do you understand that if you confess that he is the Lord Jesus Christ, that he died on the cross and rose again from the grave, if you believe that and confess that truth that you are saved? Do you know that? Or are you banking on your generosity? Are you banking on that you pray an hour a day? Are you banking on baptism or circumcision or anything else? If you are, according to the book of Galatians, you have fallen from grace. It's faith in Christ alone.
Jenna Ellis: Amen. And that really is the question. Do you know first, that you are a Christian and do you know why you're a Christian? Or are you saying you're a Christian, but you are still engaging in the things of the world, and your goals and your time and your treasure and your efforts are all wrapped up in things of the world that we are called to separate from. And of course, you know, we still have to live in the world, but we shouldn't be part of the world. And that distinction is so critical for Christians to understand that if we truly believe in the truth of the gospel of Christ, that will change how we live and how we make every decision on where to spend our time and treasure.
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Pastor Jack Hibbs: 100% right. Love it. Again, I'm going to repeat it. I wish more pulpits. Jenna preached what you just did on this program today.
Jenna Ellis: Well, you know, I, I'm so grateful for, for this, this platform. And I, feel like I preach on, on this platform. And I'm, I'm so grateful, Pastor Jack, that you are in your pulpit every Sunday preaching and that we have many faithful pastors who are willing to call out the false doctrine, who are willing to focus on the essentials and proudly say, yes, you know, we support Israel because of what the truth of the Bible says. And whatever the politics and the news of the day, that doesn't dictate what our stances, our perspective, our worldview is dictated by truth and by God, who is the author of all truth.
Pastor Jack urges Christian to stand up more for truth
And so we're down to about a minute here. The time always flies so much. We're having so much fun talking about truth with you, but, you know, closing thoughts to the Christian who, who maybe just needs to be encouraged to stand up more for truth.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Yeah. As I speak to you right now, I have my sunglasses on. It's the dead of winter here in Southern Californ. You know, it's a perfect day. I'm, looking. I can see the ocean and I can see the mountains, and I'm able to look at these things because I have a pair of sunglasses on in this beautiful, wintry day. That's Christian, friend. Open up your Bible and filter everything that is the breaking news and that is the current trending conversation. Everything that's going on. Look at the world, from the mountains to the ocean, so to speak, with the lens of the Bible, you'll never go wrong. What about this issue? Issue? What about Israel? What about Iran? What about, this thing or that thing? What about violence? What about doesn't matter what it is. Have your Bible open and filter the world events through the lens of your scripture and you'll see clearly you won't be deceived. Because Jesus said it himself that in the last days, if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. The word if means it's not possible for God's elect to be deceived because God's elect will love the word of God.
Jenna Ellis: Amen. And we need to build our lives upon the solid rock and the truth. Pastor Jack, thank you so much. Please follow Pastor Jack on social media, listen to his preaching every day. And he's just so great. I love you so much and I'm so thankful for you. And as always, you can reach me and my team jennaafr.uh.net PreBorn's whole mission is to rescue babies from abortion and lead their families to Christ. Last year, PreBorn's network of clinics saw 8,900 mothers come to Christ. Please join us in this life saving mission. To donate, go to preborn.com afr.
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Jenna Ellis: I love talking about the things of God because of truth and the biblical worldview. The U.S. constitution obligates our government to prove, preserve and protect the rights that our founders recognize come from God our Creator, not our government. I believe that scripture in the Bible is very clear that God is the one that raised up each of you and God has allowed us to be brought here to this specific moment in time.
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The clash over support of Israel is not just an issue here in America, but worldwide
The clash over support of Israel is not just an issue that we are facing here in America, but even worldwide. And there was a letter from the patriarch and heads of the churches in Jerusalem posted on the 17th affirming that the Holy Scripture teaches us that we, though many, are one in Christ and individually members of one another. citing Romans 12:15 they said that recent activities undertaken by local individuals who advance damaging ideologies such as Christian Zionism mislead the public so confusion and harm the unity of our flock. So the that was widely disseminated. And ambassador Mike Huckabee posted a response on X saying that the statement of non evangelical churches in Israel he issued the following. essentially saying that labels such as Christian Zionism are often used in a pejorative manner to disparage free church believers of which there are millions across the the planet. He says personally I'm part of a global and growing evangelical tradition that believes the authority of scripture and the faithfulness of God in keeping his covenants that includes the covenant with Abraham and the Jewish people. My Christian faith is built on the foundation of Judaism and without it Christianity would not exist. Without the Judeo Christian worldview there would be no Western civilization and without Western civilization there would be no America. And Ambassador Huckabee joins me now. This was just such a brilliant statement. I wish that more true believers and, and Christians worldwide would be able to express this understanding. Ambassador of God's enduring covenants with Israel and that doesn't necessarily mean that we have to have a commitment to a particular government or government policy. But we do understand that God is the same yesterday, today and forever and that he doesn't break his cov even with the nation of Israel.
Mike Huckabee: Jenna, such a pleasure to be with you. And thank you for having me on to amplify this. The simple answer is that if God can break his covenant, if God would break his covenant with the Jewish people, then what on the earth would make me think that he wouldn't break his covenant with me? You say, well, because the Jewish people, they sinned against Him. And we don't do that. We do it every day. We are saved by grace. We're not saved because we've done something wonderful for God. We're saved because God has done something wonderful for us. He looks past our sin. He looks past all of the things that we have done that deserve his punishment and his wrath, and we receive his grace, his gift. secondly, it was a little bit unfortunate that this letter came out because I don't want to engage in a contentious argument with my brothers in Christ. And I consider the people from, what I would call the more traditional liturgical churches, that really came into their own in the third or fourth century. they would say that they go all the way back to the origin. I know some evangelicals who think they do, too. I would say that our roots, like it or not, are in Judaism. Jesus was Jewish, the Apostle Paul was Jewish, the early Church, they were all Jewish. Whether Christians wish to admit it or not, that's where our roots are. Had there not been a God who revealed Himself first to Abraham, then to Moses through the Law and through the prophets and through the judges throughout all of human history, there would be no Christian faith. And our confidence in Jesus is based upon his being, the fulfillment of all of those prophecies.
: But let's step back.
Mike Huckabee: When the letter came out. One of the things that I found interesting in the letter from the patriarchs was that they said that no one has a right to speak but us on the issue of really the. The authority of the Holy Land. And I'm thinking, okay, if there's only one voice, then how come that voice is split up into the Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Arminian Church? I can tell you from living here in Jerusalem, there are a lot of different churches even who signed that letter. They don't agree on everything. So why is it that evangelicals are required to agree with them on the idea of replacement theology, which I find very, very difficult to accept and believe? I tried to write the letter, my own post on X, as, you know, a gentle way to say, look, I love you guys, you're my friends, and I know every one of them personally. but to make the term Christian Zionist sound like Something that is a, ah, brain virus. As Tucker Carlsen said. I find that very objectionable for the simple reason that it's not hard to say I'm a Christian. That means I follow Christ. A Zionist means I believe that the Jewish people have a right to be in the homeland that God gave them when he first told Abraham, this is your place and I'm giving it to you. Those who bless you will be blessed. Those who curse you will be cursed. I'm a simple guy. I believe the book and I believe that God has a place for the Jewish people in their indigenous and ancient eternal homeland. That simple.
Jenna Ellis: And I love the way, Ambassador, that you are articulating the simplicity of it and the dangers for Christians of replacement theology, of believing that the church has replaced Israel and that the Old Testament is no longer relevant for Christians today. obviously the full counsel of God and his Scripture is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction and righteousness. As the Apostle Paul admonishes that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished into all good works. We believe that as Christians we believe in the inerrancy, sufficiency of the Bible. And yet there is this, this segment of even the so called right that are very anti Semitic, very anti Israel and it's infiltrated, infiltrating their policy views from the position that they suggest that America should not be Israel's enduring ally. And I think they're conflating what it means to first be a Christian and allow our policy to build up from there and understand this, this history and this worldview from both a biblical and a foreign policy perspective. How do you how do you understand where America should fit into that framework? And your response to those who say, well, America first means America Only?
Mike Huckabee: Well, the President has made it clear that America first has never meant America Only. And if anybody has a right to define what that means, it's the person who originated it, the person who is the author, the person who is the father of the America first movement, Donald J. Trump. So it would be ridiculous for someone who says, you know, I know more about America first than the guy that created it, that would be a bit on the arrogant side. So I'm just going to assume that when the President says America first doesn't mean America Only, that we do live in a world, it's sometimes dangerous and we position ourselves so that America first means that sometimes America's interests are best served by having partnerships with other countries, be it Israel, or for that matter being at the UK or France or Japan or a host of other nations with which we readily have trade and agreements and security arrangements. Those are all very, very important and positive things. I would say that let's take two different tracks that one could say give reasons that America and Israel should maintain its partnership. I could argue solely on the geopolitical, that there is vast reasons that it makes sense for America to recognize what it gains from its relationship and partnership with Israel. I could also argue it from a biblical perspective. I think both are valid. I think when you put them together, it becomes almost not just irrefutable, but it becomes use, the term irreplaceable to say we have a relationship here. the US and Israel have security arrangements that are beneficial to America. We benefit from their technology, from their medical advances, from their intelligence that help us save the lives of Americans from terrorist activity. We also benefit in agriculture and simple things, cherry tomatoes, seedless watermelon, car navigation systems, and the all important cell phone that we wouldn't have had it not been for some of the early adaptations of technology in Israel. But let's look beyond that. I'm a Bible believing guy, Jenna. It's pretty simple to me. It says it in the book. Good enough. I may not understand every nuance of it, but I'm going to believe that it is the infallible, inerrant word of the living God, both Old and NewSong Testament. And I don't see an inconsistency between the Old and the NewSong. And in fact, in the NewSong Testament, Romans 11 makes it very clear that Christians don't replace the Jewish people, that we should be blessed and grateful that we have been grafted in. But we're grafted into the Jewish faith. They're not grafted into us because they have really been formed as the foundation and what Jewish people believe in the Old Testament, as Christians, we believe it. And I've always been taught that, not just in Sunday school as a kid, but also in seminary as well.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And and this is why I believe that Christians need to be educated in theology, the study of God, to then understand how these doctrines and what the Bible teaches, are incorporated into our worldview or our view of the world. And you mentioned in your statement, Ambassador Huckabee, that it's hard for me to understand why everyone who takes on the moniker Christian would not also be a Zionist. And that has made sense to me just in the plain reading of the Scriptures. And yet we're seeing kind of a fracturing in some segments of this country that I think was sparked by that, that interview between Senator Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlsen where, unfortunately, I think, the senator was not very articulate in the way that he presented it, and it almost seemed just kind of a glossed overview of a much more rich and substantive theology and heritage. And so what do you attribute, this rise of, of antisemitism that it seems like we're seeing in some of these on the right, including Tucker Carlsen. There's been even some, in my view from, from other podcasters, even, you know, Megyn Kelly, certainly Candace Owens and others. that is very damaging to the overall conservative movement that is grounded in a biblical, truthful worldview.
Mike Huckabee: I think it's perfectly okay if there are some people who, do not necessarily think that the United States and Israel should have as close a partnership. I disagree with them. I can give them good reasons.
People in Israel can criticize their government because they elect it
I think most of their views of that are based on a lack of understanding of where the value to America is. But if they have that view, that's a legitimate view. That's part of free thinking, free speech. Where the line is drawn is when people begin to say that Israel is an apartheid nation. That is demonstrably untrue, or that it's genocidal, that is demonstrably a lie. When we hear those kind of things, or even worse, that Israel is killing children or it's doing these evil things. We have to stand up against that. I live here. I'm telling you. it's very frustrating sometimes to see the kind of libelous things that are said toward Jewish people in general and Israelis specifically. Are they perfect?
Jenna Ellis: No.
Mike Huckabee: Is their government perfect? Nope. Neither is ours. And you know what? The unique thing in Israel, People here can criticize their government because they elect it. They're the only democracy in this part of the world. They're not surrounded by any country that elects their own leaders and then gets to criticize them without fear of being shot or put in prison. we ought to be grateful that we have a culture and that there is a government in the Middle east that reflects the values, the culture, and the form of government that we have embraced in the United States and that is willing to partner with us, share information, technology, and advancements that make us a better America.
Jenna Ellis: So well said.
Ambassador Mike Huckabee urges Christians to pray for Israel peace
And, Ambassador Huckabee, you end by urging believers to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. you're there. You've seen it firsthand. we're so grateful that you are, there as the representative for The Trump administration. What does that prayer actually mean in practice for Christians today? And how would you encourage our, AFA family to pray for Israel?
Mike Huckabee: I think it's, praying for the peace of Israel. What it really means is praying that people will see and come to a knowledge of the scriptures and embrace God as the Father and as the Creator. I think a lot of the reasons that anti Semitism has risen its ugly, dark head is because it's not a political, economic, social, or military issue. It is a spiritual issue. And I'm just convinced that if people would spend time in the word of God, spend time on their knees and really ask God, show me, God, show me what is the way? I'm convinced that many of these really outrageous things that are being said would not be said because people would have a better understanding of what truth is really about. I'm not talking about those who say, well, let me tell you what my truth is. There's no such thing as my truth versus someone else's truth. Truth is objective. It's true or it isn't. And I would just encourage people, to study the scriptures, start in Genesis, just keep going Old and NewSong Testament. It's not inconsistent. And there is a body of evidence to show that God is a God who keeps his promises, he keeps his covenant. If I didn't believe that, then I have no hope for my afterlife. It's all based on the notion that no matter how much I fail, God will never fail. No matter how much I fail to live up to his standards, he will never fail to live up to his standard, which is that he has made a promise never to leave me or forsake me. That's something that not only do I embrace, but I embrace it because it's what God says. It's amplified in the word over and over. And if God is breaking his covenant with the Jewish people, then I could be prepared that he would break it with me.
Jenna Ellis: It's the hope that we have in Christ, and that is what we are staking our eternity on. So, Ambassador Mike Huck Huckabee, thank you so much for your clarity, for your consistency, and for your faithfulness to the truth of Christ our savior, and also for your work for the Trump administration. You can follow Ambassador Huckabee at gov Mike Huckabee, and we'll be right back with you.
Jenna Ellis discusses Christian theology on American Family Radio this morning
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And I'm so grateful for Ambassador Mike Huckabee, who joined us in the Previous segment, talking about the inerrancy and sufficiency of Scripture, which is of course, how we build our hope for eternity in the finished work of Christ Jesus, in the truth of the Gospel and in the full counsel of God. And for Christians, because we live in an era where Christ has come and we have seen our Messiah, who lived and died and rose again, does not mean in any way, shape or form that the Old Testament is somehow irrelevant to the truth of today. And we understand, of course, that there is a distinction, between, in eras, between, the Old Testament Jews looking forward to their Messiah and now we as Christians, which include, the Gentiles that were grafted in looking to, that truth of our Messiah has come, that is Emmanuel, God with us. That is what we celebrate, on Christmas Day, we celebrate throughout the year, and then Easter, of course, Resurrection Sunday of the finished work of Christ. And so we have to understand, these theological concepts so that we aren't led astray by unsound doctrine. But we can, as the Apostle Paul admonishes, rightly divide truth from error. And so I'm so thankful to have Pastor Jack Hibbs, ah, pastor of Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills, join me, for these next two segments to talk about these things and to get a little bit deeper into theology.
Pastor Jack says there is a systematic departure from the full counsel of God
Pastor Jack, I just so appreciate you and I, love the conversations that we have, about truth and theology and why is it so important for Christians to understand why the Old Testament and how the Old Testament is still relevant in terms of the full counsel of God to the Christian today?
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Well, first of all, Janet, thanks for having me on. But listen, you. I wish more pastors would say what you just said in your opening lines. This is what we need to hear today from America's pulpits. But we're not hearing it. And here's the reason why. Jesus promised us that in the last days many would depart from the faith. Paul the Apostle warned us about the same. Peter warned us about the same. You mentioned at least twice the full counsel of God. There's been a systematic departure from the full counsel of God to such an extent, Jenna, that I'm going to say something that is going to sound radical to some people. And yet, if you, if, if you look back over the Last hundred years, 200, 500,000 years, 2,000 years, it wouldn't be radical at all. And here, here it is. We have no idea if the NewSong Testament is true. Unless we study the Old Testament, everything that was promised in the Old Testament is recorded in the NewSong. And those prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled, we will know of their fulfillment based upon the NewSong Testament recording what the Old Testament has promised. And this covers all area from soteriology, I.e. salvation found in Genesis 3:15, to eschatology again, the prophets, the Hebrew prophets. Bottom line is this. When people today say that replacement theology is the way to go, they are fulfilling what was warned about in Scripture. That there are those who claim to know God, but they deny the power thereof. They have a pick and choose type of theology which is completely not NewSong Testament and is certainly not Old Testament. Honoring the Old and NewSong Testament are completely symbiotic. They completely unite. We wouldn't know one without the other. So, Jenna, we're living in an age right now where people conveniently name the name of Christ, say that they're Christians, and then say that God has done with Israel, which is literally an incredible offense to not only the promises of God, the character of God, but throw away your Bible. It's ridiculous. And so, we're at a time. This is a defining moment, Jenna. I'm actually excited about it. I embrace it. I'm always labeled a Zionist. Yes, I am, because the God of the Bible is a Zionist. He said that he's going to establish the throne of David in the city of Zion through Jesus Christ. It's called the millennium. Christ is returning to fulfill those promises. And when you hear a pastor or denomination or person say God is done with the Jews, then it's too bad Paul the Apostle didn't know that when he wrote Romans chapters 9, 10 and.
Jenna Ellis: 11, amen and amen. And, you know, it reminds me in this day and age of people who call themselves Christians, but they deny, what Christians actually believe as the same thing as the left saying that men can become women. I mean, you can't claim to be something and then not actually fulfill the substance of what the term inherently means. Words match reality, definitions matter. And that is a leftist linguistic vagary that they try to use a vague term like Christian and then have kind of this big wide ten. And anybody who claims that they're a Christian is. But they don't actually have to fulfill a common definition and understanding what it means to be a Christian.
People need to be careful when they say they're a Christian
So let's just, let's start there. Let's just define, Pastor Jack, what it means to be a Christian. For the person who says, I am a Christian, what does he or she actually have to believe in as the central tenets of the faith.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Yeah. Well, first of all, I'd like to ask that person, when they say they're a Christian, to define that definition. Meaning to be a Christ follower. To be a Christian is to be a Christ follower. Well, what does that mean? That means to be a disciple. What does that mean? That means that you are to be a student of the word of God, not. Not of your opinions or feelings or what's trending on the news. This is this position that never moves because scripture never moves. So when somebody says, I'm a Christian, then we hold to what the Bible has to say. And when Jesus says, I'm coming back to Israel, I'm coming back to Jerusalem, I'm going to establish my throne, my foot's going to touch the Mount of Olives, it's going to split open, I'm going to go through the Eastern or the Golden Gate, I'm going to establish my kingdom. From zechariah to Matthew 24, this is common in scripture. Every Christian up until recently would have known that. And so to say that you're a Christian is to adhere to the full counsel of God. We cannot be picking and choosing what we want to believe. The problem, Jenna, today is we've got. We've got pastors in pulpits from seminaries who didn't teach the full council of God. So people need to be careful when they say they're a Christian. You need to be able to define that and you need to be able to describe what it means to be one. And here's the big question. Why are you a Christian? A lot of people today can't even explain why they're a Christian, nor can they explain this most fundamental question. How does God forgive sin? So somebody says they're a Christian. Yes, I'm a Christian. Okay, on what basis is your sin forgiven? And they go, church attendance, tithing. You cannot be something that you cannot define. And so many people today do not know theology because they just grab the word and they let labeled it onto themselves and they can't explain it. If they could, Jenna, if they could read their Bible and explain what it is that they claim to believe, then they would be Zionist. I'm not going to apologize for that because that would mean God. If I apologize for being a Zionist, then God's got it wrong because he says over and over again he's going to restore Israel. He is going to use them to reach the ends of the earth. The tribulation period is a great part of that. By the way, think about that the tribulation seven year period of time is going to be a. The bulk of brand new Jewish believers born again who cover the earth. Think about the 12,000 from each tribe, covering the earth and preaching the Gospel. That's not, that is not allegorical. That is not a story, it's a fact. It's going to happen and people need to wake up and really take evaluation, as Paul said. Examine yourself to determine whether you really are in the faith or not.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And being a Christian, taking on that definition and presenting yourself as a Christian necessarily means then that you believe what the Bible says. You believe in the truth of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. And you, and you also believe in the truth of the reality to which God has presented us. I mean, I always say, Pastor Jack, I'm not a Christian just because I believe, that, that God is there at, you know, somewhere and he's, you know, my personal path to salvation. But you know, hey, if Buddhism or you know, Shabbalah or whatever, you know, works for you, hey, you know, you, do you. This is just the best path for me to live my best life. This isn't about me. This is all about recognizing my relationship with God and that he is the divine authority, the author of all things and the reality to which I'm presented, the human condition, the fall, the purpose of man, all of that is wrapped up in who God is. And I only have identity through understanding who he is. I can only recognize the truth of who I am as a fallen sinner because of understanding Him. And so my identity is fully, completely in him. And that, that includes my identity as a woman. How God created me, gave me immutable characteristics, including my sex, my time of birth, my age, I mean all of these things that are immutably discerned and delegated by God Himself. Those things are non negotiable. And so as, as our founders understood and as C.S. lewis wrote and so many others, we discover truth while we discover the person of truth. And because we know that God himself is, and he always will be, then only through that understanding first of who he is, we can then define and understand the rest of his truth. And so a Christian is a person who confesses faith in Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior, repents for our own sin, and believes that he is the eternal Son of God. Fully God, fully. Man who died for the forgiveness of sin, rose bodily from the dead and through whom salvation is received by grace through faith. And then we build our theology, of course, from there and so many people, Pastor Jack, they go to these churches, they don't even know what their church stands for. They don't even know what a statement of faith means. They just go like, you know, it's, it's their Rotary Club or something. And they're like, you know, hey, whatever. Everybody believes, you know, we're here on Sunday to feel good about ourselves. That is not at all what the Bible requires.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: It's actually deception. Jenna. You just described deception in the last days. You ask somebody, why do you go to church? Oh, they got a great children's program. Well, that's great for the kids, but why do you go to church? What's, what's the whole, you know, and if somebody were to go to a church and experience the full counsel of God, the scripture makes it clear that we are going to be instructed, exhorted, we're going to be rebuked, we are going to be challenged, we're going to be taught, we are going to be discipled. Listen, not all of that is, a rose strewn path. Sometimes it hurts, sometimes there's conviction. It's the way that God works. And so people today pick and choose their church like you said it, like they would pick a country club or a golf course. There's a reason why the Apostle Paul, in his lamentation, when you look at the book of Acts, he's on that beach, he's assembled the Ephesian elders together there at that beach. He's about ready to head out and he's saying, some of you are never going to see my face again. But this I know for sure, I have not shunned, I've not shied away, I've not been a coward about bringing to all of you the full counsel of God. I am free from the blood of all men. And for Paul to say that that means that he got into teaching the Old Testament, which, Jenna, remember, Paul the Apostle did not walk around with a NewSong Testament under his arm. He taught the Old Testament scriptures and showed them the doctrines that we all love and the doctri doctrines that the NewSong Testament has in print, that's what they used. Paul when he evangelized. He used Isaiah, he used Jeremiah, he used Zechariah, he used the Old Testament scriptures. So for somebody to come along and say, well, you know, we don't need to read that anymore, you're not getting the full counsel of God. Well, our church teaches out of the NewSong Testament. Listen, I heard somebody recently tell me that their church that they attend, they do not teach on Bible Prophecy because they said it's confusing for people. Well, 27 to 33% of the entire Bible is prophetic. Can you imagine going to a church where they make the announcement, hey everybody, we're glad you're here.
Whether you believe in replacement theology or not, what does it matter
And by the way, we are such a great church, we teach 75% of the Bible. I'd get up and walk out.
Jenna Ellis: Absolutely.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: It's the full counsel of God. It's the full counsel of God. And to short yourself in that is to, is to do yourself a profound injustice, to say the least. You're tampering with fire.
Jenna Ellis: Absolutely. And you would be falsely calling yourself a Christian because a Christian inherently means something that is non negotiable and it has a correlation with a truth of reality. And this is why these, what, what some people would say, you know, oh, intramural debates and you know, whether you believe in replacement theology or not, what does it matter? Absolutely it matters because we have to get right the common definition of what it means to be a Christian because we want to be Christ followers. And so, you know, circling back to this whole conversation about replacement theology, why is this so important to understand that this is the full counsel of God that is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction and righteousness, that the man of God may be thoroughly furnished into all good works. I mean Paul tells us that in Scripture that isn't just speaking about post Christ. and so how should we understand why the full counsel of God matters?
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Because, question to everybody. Is Jesus Christ coming back? He said he would. Where's he coming back to? Is he coming back to Palestine? is he come to, is he coming back to Aiela Capitolina as Jerusalem was renamed? No, he says he's coming back to Israel, he's coming back to Jerusalem, he's going to establish the throne of David for a thousand years. Jesus said that. The Scripture says that about Jesus Christ. And when someone says, well, I'm for replacement theology, you are literally superseding the word of God. You're calling God a liar and that God is not unable to communicate to us clearly. And so it matters because, and I believe this Satan's ploy is to get people to believe that Jesus is not coming back, that he's coming back in some sort of, some sort of ethereal, some sort of, allegorical way. No, not at all. The scriptures right now are absolutely certain, certain and clear regarding the age in which we live in. Satan has always tried to tamper with prophecy. That's why the Old Testament condemns the living of a false prophet because souls are at stake when they prophesy falsely. And then the scripture in the NewSong Testament tells us, as it does in the Old, you better not add to this book regarding prophecies because God takes it very seriously. I believe it's Satan's plan to work through the replacement theology crowd to try to get people confused and thereby muddy up the waters of Bible prophecy, which Revelation 19:10 tells us is all about. The spirit of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. So we live in the prophetic days. And how do we know? Well, we're looking around at our world with the Bible open, newspaper open. And we also hear a lot of people saying, yeah, no, God replaced Israel. Real, this is that and that's the other. And it's all been changed. That just tells me we are so close. We are so close. So I don't fall for it, people. you know, so I'm not going to even mention her name. She's a big podcaster, keeps calling me a, Zionist. Amen.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: I wear that. I am proud about that. Thank God she understands my message that God is not done with Israel and we've been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel and the Lord will come back. He will re establish his government, his politics politic in his second coming. So yep, I'm, I'm excited.
Jenna Ellis: Amen. I am too. And you know, this, this whole question and getting off into, you know, these these perversions of scripture, it reminds me of the original question that the serpent asked Eve in the garden. Did God really say. Right. And everything that is a lie about the truth always starts with that question. Did scripture really say that God's covenant would persist? to, to Abraham? Did God really say. And all of these things to try to get us off from the straight and narrow path of simply interpreting the plain language of God's revelation to us in scripture.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Yep, exactly. Right, exactly. Let's God has spoken. He's never led us astray. What he has said in the old, people need to ask this question. Whatever he prophesied in the old, is that what came to pass when those prophecies were fulfilled? For example, Isaiah 66 tells us that in one day Israel would become a nation again a second time. What nation on earth has ever had that happen? Only one. When did that happen? May 14, 1948. But watch this. The replacement theology people will say, Jenna, that. Oh, that doesn't m. That doesn't count because they don't believe in God. They're they're, they, they don't believe in him. They're very secular. Guess what? Ezekiel says that when he draws them back into their own land, they will come back in unbelief. The scripture anticipates everything. What happens is when somebody mouths off like this, it only exposes their spiritual stupidity in what God has said. They, they, they say, oh, this is an illegitimate nation. They literally are exposing their ignorance of the prophetic word of God. They would do better just to kind of check out for a while, read the Bible and they might land on their feet if they did that.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, this is why the study of theology matters. So that you can kind of step away for a little bit and read and learn and then go and engage sound doctrine. And that clarifying lens of truth then will, be the lens by which you view reality. Because if it's distorted, if it's, shaded, then your view of reality has shifted. And so many people aren't even aware that they have put on, you know, there's, there's a very common analogy, that, that is, you know, you put on blinders basically, or put on lenses or rose colored glasses or, you know, whatever hypothetical you want use to use that shifts your view of reality. And you have to put on the correct view in order to view the world through the lens of truth. Because anything other than truth is a distortion. And so, Pastor Jacobs, you are my special guest this morning. We're going to take a break right here and come right back to continue to talk about the things of God and truth.
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Jenna Ellis: Islam is watching Christian response to Minnesota church invasion
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And during the break, Pastor Jack was saying something just really profound that we've got to, actually get on the program because we were talking about why truth matters and why the church has to stand up for truth. And especially in the, area of, the current headlines, which, of course, when we look at what's going on in Minnesota right now, these, these often, increasingly violent protests and now the invasion of a Christian church by leftists and, even Don Lemon, who, who, now is looking perhaps, down the barrel of the DOJ's charges. But Pastor Jack, you know, you were saying that, Islam is actually looking at the Christian response to this. unpack that for us and why that matters.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Yeah, absolutely, 100%. All you need to do is look at the history of Islam. People would do well if they studied that on how they advance. How did Islam get into Europe, for example, what is known as the Crusade period? Well, the reason why there were Crusades is because they were first jihads launched into Europe. And of course, in 1683, on September 11, the Polish king of Europe defeated the Islamic forces at the gates of Vienna. That said, it is a pattern of Islam to watch and to see and to test the culture, of, of Christianity, meaning this, probe, poke, see, find a open door, whatever it might be. This event that took place in Minnesota, everybody be aware of the fact that Islam's watching this. They're watching how the government responds to it. They're watching how Christians respond to it. They're watching how the pastor responds to it. They're watching how the media responds to it, and they are hoping and expecting nothing really comes of it. Why? Because this is exactly historically what happened in Paris. It's what happened in Germany. it's what, it is what's happened in England. And what happens is you are not going to see this, Jenna. Go on in a mosque. No one's going to go disrupt A service at a mosque. It's not going to happen. It's just not going to happen. But where this coming weekend? What church is next? How many churches are next? Because Islam will not come to the defense of free worship for everybody under our, constitutional rights. Because if you swear an oath to the Quran, you cannot swear an oath to the U.S. constitution. They're mutually exclusive. It's a divided loyalty. It's not going to happen. This is a very serious moment in America, because if this Department of Justice doesn't do something that's a sad thing. Don Lemon needs to be arrested. He. He actually broke the law. The, face act. He broke that. You. Churches don't realize, I mean, people do not realize that churches are private property. You just can't go into a service and disrupt it. That's illegal. But the other thing is this. This just stokes the movement of Islam in the United States because it emboldens them. and don't be surprised, folks, that in the next couple of weeks or a month, you're going to start seeing more and more carpets, so to speak, rolled out for prayer because they believe it's their constitutional right, which is a ruse to go into your church during your service and roll out their carpet and pray to Allah, which is not the God of the Bible. And they're going to say it's their constitutional right, just like Don Lemon said to the pastor, it's our constitutional right, First Amendment, to come and invade your. And to interrupt it. I mean, that was epic. So, Jenna, people need to wake up to the fact there's. This is not one little one off. This is a testing of the window, a shaking of the door to see how far they can go. If no noise is made, if there's no legal action, and if churches do not stand up and speak up with the backbone, then Islam will do in short order what they've already been able to do in Paris and in London and in other places, places throughout Europe.
Jenna Ellis: And that is such a timely warning, because this is shades of COVID in 2020, that, you know, if, churches were not willing to stand up and say, no, we have a right to stay open. You can't tell us, how and when and where to gather according to what the Bible commands. And, it's actually a protected right in this country. And so those, governors, like in your home state of California, who were telling churches, including your, yours, that you can't gather, they were actually the ones who were violating the constitutional protections that our founders, enshrined to ensure that we as Christians have those protections. And so this is yet another clarifying moment. And it seems like it is just, you know, hit after hit after hit against Christians. But I think in some sense, Pastor Jack, it's almost like we in America have taken our blessings of liberty for granted for so long that now it's almost like we're surprised when some of these, other, you know, false views and these attacks on Christians happen. Even though if we look throughout biblical history, throughout world history, we see that it's the same thing. It's just in, maybe a different guise or the. The flavor of the day issue. But nothing under the sun is new.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Right? Right. Exactly. Well said. And so people need to realize, didn't Jesus warn us that in the last days, all of these various things increase in violence, lawlessness, the love of many will grow cold for each other? all of these false doctrine, false teachers, false religions. Jesus said himself, when I return, will I find faith on the earth? I mean, please get back to the Bible. We need to stop goofing around with other books and other things and distractions. We are the most distracted generation in the history of man. And that is not, any form of an exaggeration. We need to get back to the Bible and hang on to it and, and stop letting people. People live their lives vicariously through other faith people, not knowing what they themselves believe. When they say, well, my pastor says or my. My denomination teaches, forget about that. What do you know? Do you know Jesus personally? Do you know that he died on the cross for you personally?
Do you understand that if you confess Jesus Christ, you are saved
Do you understand that if you confess that he is the Lord Jesus Christ, that he died on the cross and rose again from the grave, if you believe that and confess that truth that you are saved? Do you know that? Or are you banking on your generosity? Are you banking on that you pray an hour a day? Are you banking on baptism or circumcision or anything else? If you are, according to the book of Galatians, you have fallen from grace. It's faith in Christ alone.
Jenna Ellis: Amen. And that really is the question. Do you know first, that you are a Christian and do you know why you're a Christian? Or are you saying you're a Christian, but you are still engaging in the things of the world, and your goals and your time and your treasure and your efforts are all wrapped up in things of the world that we are called to separate from. And of course, you know, we still have to live in the world, but we shouldn't be part of the world. And that distinction is so critical for Christians to understand that if we truly believe in the truth of the gospel of Christ, that will change how we live and how we make every decision on where to spend our time and treasure.
: Amen.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: 100% right. Love it. Again, I'm going to repeat it. I wish more pulpits. Jenna preached what you just did on this program today.
Jenna Ellis: Well, you know, I, I'm so grateful for, for this, this platform. And I, feel like I preach on, on this platform. And I'm, I'm so grateful, Pastor Jack, that you are in your pulpit every Sunday preaching and that we have many faithful pastors who are willing to call out the false doctrine, who are willing to focus on the essentials and proudly say, yes, you know, we support Israel because of what the truth of the Bible says. And whatever the politics and the news of the day, that doesn't dictate what our stances, our perspective, our worldview is dictated by truth and by God, who is the author of all truth.
Pastor Jack urges Christian to stand up more for truth
And so we're down to about a minute here. The time always flies so much. We're having so much fun talking about truth with you, but, you know, closing thoughts to the Christian who, who maybe just needs to be encouraged to stand up more for truth.
Pastor Jack Hibbs: Yeah. As I speak to you right now, I have my sunglasses on. It's the dead of winter here in Southern Californ. You know, it's a perfect day. I'm, looking. I can see the ocean and I can see the mountains, and I'm able to look at these things because I have a pair of sunglasses on in this beautiful, wintry day. That's Christian, friend. Open up your Bible and filter everything that is the breaking news and that is the current trending conversation. Everything that's going on. Look at the world, from the mountains to the ocean, so to speak, with the lens of the Bible, you'll never go wrong. What about this issue? Issue? What about Israel? What about Iran? What about, this thing or that thing? What about violence? What about doesn't matter what it is. Have your Bible open and filter the world events through the lens of your scripture and you'll see clearly you won't be deceived. Because Jesus said it himself that in the last days, if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. The word if means it's not possible for God's elect to be deceived because God's elect will love the word of God.
Jenna Ellis: Amen. And we need to build our lives upon the solid rock and the truth. Pastor Jack, thank you so much. Please follow Pastor Jack on social media, listen to his preaching every day. And he's just so great. I love you so much and I'm so thankful for you. And as always, you can reach me and my team jennaafr.uh.net PreBorn's whole mission is to rescue babies from abortion and lead their families to Christ. Last year, PreBorn's network of clinics saw 8,900 mothers come to Christ. Please join us in this life saving mission. To donate, go to preborn.com afr.
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