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A Minneapolis church reportedly had an anti ICE mob storm yesterday

Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Monday, January 19, and shocking footage is coming out of Minneapolis on a variety of fronts. It's looks like an absolute, just chaos zone everywhere. And yesterday there was footage from city's church in Minneapolis where an SBC affiliated church had an anti ICE mob storm. The service disrupted their worship and apparently was alleging that one of the church's lead pastors was an ICE agent. a lot of the brain parishioners ended up fleeing because of this mob. But even more ridiculously, Don Lemon, do you remember him from, from cnn? You know, the guy that got fired and was all, you know, part of the, hey, you know, mostly peaceful protesting. Well now apparently he shifted his tone to mostly traumatic protesting is valid under the First Amendment where he goes in, under the auspices of saying that he's a reporter and, and he actually follows this mob into the church service and starts interrogating the pastor and suggesting that protests are covered under the US Constitution in the first Amendment. Even barging in to houses of worship uninvited. I mean this is just utterly insane. And it's posted actually on his YouTube, show video, but all over social media if you haven't seen it already. And this is just part of his, ah, blatant disrespect and conversation with what I believe is one of the lead pastors. This is cut one.

 : What do you think of it? I mean, this is unacceptable. It's shameful. It's shameful to, to interrupt, a public gathering of Christians in worship. But there were folks who. I have to take care of my flock. Listen, we live in a, there's a constitution in the First Amendment to freedom, speech and freedom to assemble and protest. We're here to worship. We're here to worship Jesus because that's the hope of these cities, that's the hope of the world is Jesus Christ. I'm going to be very respectful. Please don't push me, though. We're here. We're here to worship Jesus. That's why we're here. Okay? That's why we're here. That's what we're about. Don't you think Jesus would be understanding? And we're about love, these folks. We're about spreading the love of Jesus. But did you try to talk to them as a. As someone is willing to talk?

 : Okay.

 : I have to take care of my church and my family. So I asked that you actually would also leave this building. You don't want to. You're here to worship. I'm always worship. I'm a Christian.

 : We're here.

 : Well, we're here to worship. We're here to worship.

 : Okay.

 : Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Jenna Ellis: So much. Wrong in that clip. I mean, the First Amendment covers the right to barge in to a church service. And then, which, you know, is utterly false, by the way. And then he's sitting there like, as he himself is one of the ones that's disrupting this service that you can hear in the background. Then he says, oh, you know, I'm here, but please don't shove me. You know, so. So he's, he's wanting to protect himself from, you know, all of the chaos while he's part of the disruption. And then there's another clip that was posted by End Wokeness. Ah, one of these accounts on X that as Don Lemon sees kids fleeing the church. And you can listen to this whole clip. he says basically it's traumatic for people and that's what protesting is about. So much wrong. And then he calls himself a. A Christian, which is utter nonsense. Clearly, when you go out and you are living a life that is completely antithetical to what it means to be a Christian. I mean, he might as well call himself a woman at this point. It would be just as false.

Steve Deace: Many Americans are rightly calling for Don Lemon to be arrested

But let's welcome in, Steve Deace So the Steve Deace Show. Really excited to have him for the first time in the new year here. And Steve, you know, this could be chronicled in all of the episodes of what Is Don Lemon Thinking? But overall, I mean, I am old enough to remember when there were protesters that, you know, stormed the US Capitol, and there were reporters that also went in and they were prosecuted. And so there are a lot of Americans that I think are rightly calling for these, these terrorists really, who terrorized a church, and Don Lemon to be arrested. Your thoughts on this?

Steve Deace: Well, if you count the 1200 plus Americans who were arrested over January 6th, and the president himself who was arrested in 2023, over 1400 Republicans were arrested, during, the Biden administration or charged. I mean, you're on that list. Yep. So, and so far, nobody, not a single Democrat, has been arrested, from the Obama Biden era for what they did to the country. This is at least. This is at least. I don't know, pick a number. 17, 24, 35th. Desecration of our social compact. crossing of a cultural red line that the left, in the spirit of the age, has done with no significant consequences, really, anywhere in America other. Unless Ron DeSantis does it or the voters themselves do it at the polls. and so this is all very, very predictable. you know, it doesn't take much. You know, I. I grew up with a bully in my home, and he didn't just stop beating my mom because I asked him to. Eventually I had. I got big enough that I stood up to him and had to stop him from beating my mom. The bully at the school doesn't just stop you doesn't just stop taking your lunch money. Okay? And so this is just all human nature, human behavior. total depravity 101. This is Romans 13, the part that all the third way pastors. Well, they actually left out Most of Romans 13, but the one that they definitely always leave out is that the government's job is to bring the sword of righteousness against the evildoer, to be an avenging angel on behalf of the law of God, or common grace, or natural law, whatever theological, nomenclature you wish to put on that modern. That terminology in our modern parlance. and so here's where this is going to go. And I've been saying this for the last couple years, Jenna. They're not good. Evil doesn't stop itself. And so I want to make sure I make very clear what I'm going to say next. I do not want to happen. I'm going to turn 53 years old this year. All right? So when this eventuality, if not stopped, happens, it won't be me. I won't be the one asked to do this, or forced into this. It'll be my son. He will. And so I. I'd kindly like to avoid that for, our kids and grandkids, if you don't mind. And so you only can lean on the people who own the 300 million guns for so long before they start leaning back. And they're going to start doing that once the message gets received that no one you voted for is coming to save you. Nobody is. And so I would like to avoid that happening. I think that is the outcome the enemy wants. It's the most nihilistic one. I think he looks at the people on the left and says, no one will stop you. Let your freak flag fly. Violate every norm, violate every custom, just violate common human decency. All right? And then he turns to the people on the right and says, tisk, Tisk, Tisk. Look at all this. Look at all this depravity. And no one is. No one is coming to save you. No one you voted for. And they probably won't even count your votes even if they did. Okay? You probably have to take this matter into your own hands. And I think people don't understand how close we are, to that. All right? And so what needs to happen is very simple. The people we elect must punish evil. There must be a social stigma and price to pay. The stuff that you saw that we did as a movement to those who are glorifying Charlie's murder, that social stigmatizing is healthy, but it's not enough. It must be done lawfully. It must be enforced. There must be consequences. So that they understand, if you do this to our people, we will use the same lawfare system to do this to yours. In other words, mutually assured destruction. This is how Reagan won the Cold War. After decades of weakness, of a posture of weakness to the Soviets. They actually had crazies in the Kremlin who thought if we push the button first, the Americans won't push back. So Reagan had to send them a message. No.

Jenna Ellis: 1.

Steve Deace: The only, the great line from the movie War Games when I was a kid, the only way to win the game is not to play. You cannot win a nuclear war. If you push, we will push. Congratulations, you're king of a radioactive anthill. We all lost, all right? And that mutually assured destruction is what bought us enough time to then economically break the Soviet Union. That is the same game plan that must happen here. There must be consequences. No more 3am Truth social posts. Pam Bondi, what you doing? No more press conferences. No more press releases. Hey, I got. I got guys 8 and 9 on the most wanted list from Cash Patel. But we could. Literally, any FBI director could do that. We wanted those people there to do the stuff that you and I are talking about right now.

There must be consequences if they're going to cross now into churches

There must be consequences if they're going to cross now into churches. There's no line that they won't cross. All right? And so there must be punishment, right? I don't care about 90 low level people doing the Somali welfare scheme. Don't send me more tweets about that. Names people know, all right, when they wanted to take us out, okay, they shot the President in the face. And then they said that was after they unsuccessfully tried to put him in prison for 93 years. They understand in the game of chess, the is over when it's checkmate of the king, not the elimination of the pawns. Go after high value targets. Tim Wall should have been arrested like two weeks ago. High value targets. No more investigating. We're investigating. That's great.

The Justice Department is by far the most underperforming department of this presidency

All right. This has been a clown show from Pam Bondi since this time a year ago when she rolled out the stupid binders for the influencers. And the fact that this is the fact that the most underperforming department of this presidency, and it's not even close, we'd rave about several other departments, but the justice, FBI, local accountability, or the legal accountability stuff is by far the most underperforming. And you could argue, except for Maha, is actually the most important. It's one of the key reasons we got voting blocks like the Rogan, bro, dude, people who want this stuff cleaned up, we've completely lost that voting block. We have to get them back to win in November. Not to mention all those things will just be turned right around and weaponized against us the next election we lose. So it is time to act once and for all. And if they don't act here, then, against our own churches, then I guess I don't, I don't contemplate what would possibly cause them to.

Jenna Ellis: Well, this isn't any longer the Justice Department. I mean, you're right, they're not actually pursuing justice. I mean, even Harmeet Dhillon, who is one of, who previously, when she was in the private sector, was one of the best advocates for the First Amendment. She was on Fox News all the time talking about, you know, what the Trump administration should do. And now when she's appointed as a deputy Attorney general, her post yesterday was the Civil Rights Department is investigating the potential violations of the Federal Face act by these people desecrating a house of worship and then tags Pam Bondi in it. I mean, this is the level of nonsense that we have reached. So there's no longer, it feels like there is no longer anyone in elected office or appointed under the administration that actually wants to pursue justice. And Steve, you, you know, when you say, you know, or this can be rectified by the voters, I feel like there's nobody left to vote for who will actually pursue justice. Because remember back, you know, last, like two years ago when we were all, you know, discussing the primary and we were all like actually concerned that Trump's biggest flaw in his second term, if he was elected, might be that he would have too much vengeance and retribution and he had, you know, too much anger because of everything that happened. And, and then when he got elected, people were like, okay, let's actually see what he does. And there was this kind of fire that everybody felt and nothing has happened. I mean, you're absolutely right. There are, ah, there are zero. Zero. A grand total of zero arrests. And not just out of, you know, vengeance. I'm not for, you know, any of that, but for people who legitimately deserve to be arrested and need to be held accountable for what they have perpetuated on this country. I mean, what, what happened to pursuing, overturning the pardons that Biden probably didn't even know that he signed so that we can get some accountability for Covid? I mean, that's now been six years ago. I mean, so I have no faith that there's even anybody we can vote for who understands what the term justice means.

Steve Deace: I can't blame you for thinking that way at all. And I am concerned about that. And that is eventually, once that message gets received by the people who own the largest private conglomerate of weapons in the history of the human species, you're going to eventually listen. Every church in America right now. I know I've had these conversations with my own pastor. I belong to maybe the largest politically active church in the city of Des Moines. And so we were just texting about this yesterday. I mean, right now, you know, that church that got ambushed yesterday is a cautionary tale. And every church in America right now needs to be training their men for the five fold ministry in the right hand of fellowship in case this happens to you next. Right? That's where we are and what we can't do. And here's what we cannot be. That, you know, that, that, that audio is a portrait of how we got here. Hey, listen, we're just here to preach Jesus in a vacuum. Meanwhile, evil just advances on every side. And it's taken so much now of Minneapolis, it owns so much of the state that is just a couple hours to the north of where I'm talking to you right now. It owns so Much of that, that it now is on the advance now. It doesn't have any more territory to defend in Minnesota. So now it's going on offense and just going to invade. The same thing that invaded every government building in every classroom in the state of Minnesota is now going to invade our churches. Right. And so we have to have. I don't blame that church and congregation for what happened to them yesterday. They got ambushed. But moving forward, we're going to have to have a different answer other than, well, we're just sitting here preaching Jesus in a vacuum.

Calvin Robinson: And.

Steve Deace: And of course we were. No, I don't know what. We don't know why you guys are doing this. We didn't. We didn't stand up to you. We practiced the John Piper third way here in Minneapolis for how many years while you guys just went ahead and planted your flag on every last vestige of our heritage and, traditions. And so now that you're in our churches, we're kind of hoping you'll just leave us alone. I. Listen, I can promise you right now, all right, I just want to be left alone. Loses in every history book ever written.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I guarantee you, if this had happened it in a church in Florida, here in my home state, or in a church in Texas, by the way, you know, this would not have ended with people just fleeing and, you know, Don Lemon just being able to go and, you know, slip and slide on the ice outside. you know, this probably would have ended with, with some forcible removal of some of these protesters. And, you know, my, My opinion is that the church needs to start standing up and fighting back and not just allowing, you know, the takeover and saying, well, you know, we're. We're peaceful, passive Christians because, you know, that's what Jesus would want. No, he overturned tables and, you know, he. He was. He stood for righteousness and truth. And this kind of passive Third Wayism, as you describe it, is not anything like what the church actually should look like in America. And I think we have become. We haven't learned our lesson, even from COVID From when, you know, the, the, the crazy, shutdowns and everything that happened in California threatened the church from a government clampdown perspective. Now we have literal invaders coming into churches, and we're still doing nothing. And our government that should be doing something is doing literally nothing. It's like we haven't learned our lesson.

What is it going to take, Steve, for people in this country to wake up

What is it going to take, Steve, for people in this country to wake up and recognize that if we don't keep this republic. As Benjamin Franklin said, we're not going to have one.

Steve Deace: That is a question Jenna, I wrestle with a lot and I am afraid to answer because it is very clear, whatever level of comfort is stopping us from pushing back or fear, it is very clear that they are not encumbered by that on the other side at all. And they are going to cattle prod us to acting. And so here is the choice before us. This is really the culmination of this conversation. We are going to end up responding to this human nature. There's never been a peaceable transfer of property rights conscience in all of human history and there never will be. Okay? And so eventually we are going to respond. My hope is it will be in this window when we still have peaceable but aggressive means. We still have enough of our constitutional republic embedded in the system that if used, we can still use it to punish this evil and create some kind of mutually disturbed assured destruction so we can keep some of the social compact and have a country moving forward for our kids and grandkids. If we don't use this window we have now, then it will be non peaceable means and the stuff of sumters and history books and Antietams, that'll be the response. And those are the only two options. The idea that we're just going to sit here forever on our 300 million guns and say, you bet, you know what, go ahead, you know, trans our kids, kidnap them from us, in fact, in Colorado and California while you're at it, and take all our money and you know, take all your debt in these blue states and go ahead and export it to all our red states and make us pay for it too, and then draft our sons for your stupid wars. The idea we're just going to sit here into perpetuity is not true. And you can see the anger and the bile rising in the young men who are not going to inherit the avarice that their baby boom parents and grandparents got to enjoy. And eventually, if that anger is not satiated, you will see it pour out. That's inevitable. And so we must use this window. And I have to ask if the administration of the president that they shot in the face because somehow the guy from the chess club math club was able to outmaneuver the entire Secret Service, okay. In a Pennsylvania field one day, if we can't get his administration to do it, then I don't know what administration would be motivated to then actually do that job. That's the question I wrestle with. So you know What? We have enough of a republic now. We can still use it, but you lose it if you don't use it.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, 100%. And. And last question for you, Steve. with all of this and with people, I mean, there. There are more like us that are. That have been screaming for this, have been pushing for this, that literally, you know, voted for Trump a third time for this. Trump seems to be so focused on the foreign policy and willing to act, I mean, to. To go and do great things like, you know, liberate Venezuela from a dictator. And yet, it's like his own doj. He's turning a blind eye to the problems here at home, and all they're doing is holding press conferences, and Caroline Levitt is up there saying, you know, oh, well, the president will not stand for this. Well, he kind of seems to be. And so why isn't Trump as focused on what's happening domestically as he appears to be strategically and willing to execute as much as he is in the foreign policy world? I mean, I just see that divide is so bizarre.

Steve Deace: Well, you have to remember, the world that Donald Trump comes out of is an empire. He didn't have hundreds of thousands of shareholders of corporations publicly traded that he had to answer to. He ran an empire. And so where Trump is at his best is when he can unilaterally act for the most part, except in the area we're talking about right here in the two terms. He's been president, he has and has been highly successful, but he has way more power and authority to do that on a foreign level than here, because everything that we defeated in the Cold War, we then spent the next generation importing into our own culture. The male mind operates in fight or flight, Jenna. Every human male of his right mind will not stay and fight a losing cause. He'll just move on to. And I think this is at least tacit, if not de facto admission. There really is no look at what John. John Thune is literally arguing for Bill Cassidy in a Senate primary, okay, against the president right now. They won't repeal the filibuster. They won't do anything. And I think that he largely has just deduced he's surrounded by people that won't. That won't act, and he has to act, and he's got power to act in the foreign theater. That doesn't require much of the much else of the Republican Party, to assist him in that. He can just act unilaterally. But this is, again, where he has to spend more of his political capital here. All right? And there's gotta be a better endorsement against Bill Cassidy than the most liberal Republican running against him. There's got to be a better endorsement in South Carolina than Lindsey Graham. There just has to be. All right? And if there's one big mistake he has made from the very beginning, it has been the misspending of his political capital domestically to the point now that he's aided and abetted the amount of traders that he's surrounded by in his own party that are actually. And so it's a feedback loop. He can't get the action he wants done here because he's surrounded by traitors in his own party. All true. He's also, though, aided and abetted several of those traitors and holding on to their positions, and so they can then continue to betray him. Also true. And so I, think you see the focus on what he can do in terms of globally because he can act more unilaterally there.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah.

Steve King: Now everybody is suggesting that Don Lemon should be arrested under Face act

Well, we got to take a break here, Steve, and, you know, I am with you on how frustrating this is and how, yeah, Trump needs to reconsider a lot of things, but also for conservatives. I mean, now everybody is suggesting that Don Lemon and these protesters should, be arrested under the Face act, which, you know, five minutes ago. For the last, you know, several years, conservatives have been calling to repeal the Face act because it was used to raid pro life Christians, jail grandmothers, intimidate churches. And conservatives didn't oppose that just because we disliked it, who it was used against. We opposed it because it was unjust. And we don't fix what weaponization by just cheering when it hits your enemies. We need to use existing lawful statutes to stop church disruptions, trespass, disorderly conduct, obstruction, all of this. And we need to all get it together and actually call for justice. We'll be right back with more.

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Father Calvin Robinson: Minneapolis church invasion is act of terrorism

Well, we are still talking about this horrendous situation in Minneapolis, that is now escalated to the invasion of one of those churches that was worshiping in yesterday morning. And before we shift to, a different topic, I want to welcome in Father Calvin Robinson, who is a priest and pundit and, is, you know, one of the, the most prolific, I think, commentators on, the Christian worldview today and where we're at in this country. And so, Calvin, I really appreciate you coming on and I wanted to get your take on what's happening in Minneapolis and This escalation and what this church, you know, if this was your church, you know, how would. How would you advise churches to respond, to these kinds of. They're not just protests. I mean, they're literally invasions. And I think we can rightly call them terrorists.

Calvin Robinson: Yes. Good morning, Jenna. Well, I've seen in the image clips of Don Lemon that he says he expects the people in the church that he's storming to feel traumatized. He's causing trauma. Therefore, this is terrorism. It's an act of terrorism. Churches are sacred ground. They are consecrated. They are set apart. They are holy because there are spaces where we worship God. And everyone in this country has the freedom of religion, the freedom of worship, to do so without being hindered by anyone, politician, journalist, anybody. And so for Don Lemon and his, horde of, libtards to go into church and disrupt a Christian service of worship and praise of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ is literally demonic, right? It's a satanic activity. but the thing is, if this happened on the. The other way around, if people from the right invaded, let's say, a Hindu temple or a Muhammadan mosque, you can be, sure that the left will be up in arms. But they don't care about Christians, so they don't care about Christianity because they know it to be true. And as. And what we need to see is the. The regime, the administration, clamp down hard. Pam Bondi today, her number one priority should be making sure that any acts of terrorism in churches are punished. And there is an act that was it, the face act, that Don Lemon and his cohort should be charged on. And I think we need to see that. We need to see that actually, when the right gets into power, into power, they restore order and they restore, a moral compass to a Christian land. Rather than just complaining when the left are in power, putting people in prison for praying, when the right get back into power, they need to put things back into order rather than just sitting around twiddling their thumbs. Today, of course, is Martin Luther King Jr. Day, which I don't know why that's a federal holiday in this country. It's absurd to me. But it would be a good day to clamp down on this, because the Civil Rights act is a part of this problem, and Don Lemon and people like him are a part of this problem of liberalism taking over. You know, Martin Luther King is a great example of someone that wasn't a good Christian. You know, he was a heretic. He denied the virgin birth of Jesus Christ. he wasn't a good Christian in the fact that he was an adulterer, a serial adulterer. He wasn't even a good civil rights activist in that he actually liked seeing young white people get violent and causing problems and riots and stuff. And so the fact that he's held up as some kind of saint by the left is problematic. But this will be a good day to actually clamp down and put some law and order in place.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah.

You say government is here to protect the borders and to put order in place

So well said. And the, the renewed understanding that government is not just here to arbitrate between Republicans and Democrats, in this country. I mean it seems like somehow we as Americans have been so myopically focused on just the two parties or the uni party system. And you know, you have a very different perspective. I think, you know, not growing up here in America and actually seeing, you know, a different perspective, a different government. But it's like we're sort of focused on just who's in power and these sort of opposition wars that we forget that the true definition of legitimacy of a civil government is to promote good and restrain evil and to have a well ordered society. I mean, the only reason that God instituted civil government, which is legitimate, it's not what, you know, a lot of these kind of capital L libertarians would say that government is sort of a necessary evil in society. No, this is actually an institution like the family and like the church that God instituted for our good. But it has to actually work properly. And one of the things that we've forgotten is that the civil government is here to carry the sword. It is to enact justice. We don't see that hardly anywhere, in the world these days, but especially it should be here in America if we are a truly a Christian nation.

Calvin Robinson: You know, you know, my church is fully armed. We have great security at my church. If something like this happened, I assure you that these people would be kicked out pronto. But the fact of the matter is that you're right. This, the job of government is to protect the borders and to put basic order in place. You know, it's to prevent people from being murdered and raped and all this kind of stuff. We have law and order for a reason. And globalism is against satanic, is demonic. This idea of no borders and one world government to just one people isn't Christian nations and tribes are God ordained peoples and places are important. This country and this people in this country are important for a reason. And so when I hear, you know, earlier on you were talking about certain businesses wouldn't allow people to be served if they, ah, affirm ice. It's like, wait a minute, what? So someone wants to protect your borders, protect you, make sure your daughter isn't murdered or raped, and you don't want them to be served in your business? Is it actually insane that people have swallowed the pill of globalism, of one world government, of the Antichrist, so easily that they think it's a bad thing to protect ourselves first and then to protect other people second? Ordered love is a Christian moral compass. You protect your family first and foremost, then you protect your parish, then you protect your nation and then the people around your neighbor. It's not to say you don't love your neighbor, but of course you love your daughter and your sister and your mother first. There's nothing wrong with that. And it's quite normal and natural. But people forget it and pretend that actually we should love the neighbor first above our family, which is absurd and doesn't work. But yeah, you're quite right that law and order need to be put back into place. And actually churches need to stand up for themselves. If anyone riots a church, they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But also have people in your church who are good at, security, have a security team, you know, make sure they're armed because you never know when these, perpetrators may come in and be more violent. Don Lemon is just a libtard wannabe journalist, you know, has been. But people could be worse than him coming in and doing worse. And we need to protect our holy ground. We need to protect our parishioners, and we need to protect that space for the worship and glorification of God.

Jenna Ellis: Amen to that.

Father Calvin Robinson talks about how Christians are not adhering to Christian worldview

And my special guest this morning is Father Calvin Robinson. You can follow him at Calvin Robinson on X. We're going to take a break here, because we have to take one more break. And then we're going to come back with Calvin Robinson to discuss another, ah, topic which is, about how Christians don't, or people who hold themselves out as Christians are not actually adhering faithfully to the Christian worldview. And we talk about globalism, we talk about, you know, all of these liberal, nonsensical views that go against God's created order and how he, he has created the institutions of the family, the church and the civil government for our good, for our protection and in that divine order. Well, we have to first get the Christian worldview and truth correct first. Then we can build up our worldview from there. So we're going to take a break here. We'll be right back with more, with Father Calvin Robinson when we come right back.

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Jenna Ellis: In order to achieve a legitimate civil government,

Calvin Robinson: Welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.

Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. Well, as we were discussing discussing, in order to actually achieve a legitimate civil government, we first have to elect people in those offices that understand the legitimacy of civil government, the moral order we've been talking about. And in order to understand that, we have to first understand the natural predicate and the foundation, which is the biblical worldview and ultimately truth itself, which is the person of a God, Jesus Christ, and the gospel narrative and the truth of, the human existence. And in order to get to that point, we have to naturally separate the truth tellers and the genuine Christians from the heretics. And, one of the clips that is going viral is from M. Texas State Representative James Talarico, who describes himself as a Presbyterian seminarian running for the US Senate to take power back for the working people. If you go to his website and you're not familiar with the fact that he's actually a Democrat, he seems like, you know, a good guy from Texas, you know, now he's, running for U.S. senate to take his fight against corruption to Washington, win power back for the working people. And we're all like, yeah. But then you go and you listen to him on an interview with the, NewSong York Times opinion, editor Ezra Klein, who asked him this question. Do you believe Christianity to be more true than other religions? Well, a genuine Christian would know how to answer that question in, the frame of the Bible. As C.S. lewis answered it, Christianity is the only logically internally consistent view of the world and to the reality to which we're presented. I am a Christian, as I always say on this program, not because I just believe in God like kids believe in Santa Claus, or because I think that that lends me to the, you know, the best life. It works for my lifestyle. But, hey, other religions, you know, you guys go, do you, it's that truth is separate and apart. From my own perspective, truth is discoverable. It's real. And the Christian worldview is the best explanation for that reality to which I am presented. And understanding who God is as God, not man, is expressly revealed in the context of the Bible. But of course, James Talarico says something different. He says, I believe Christianity points to the truth. I also think many other religions of love point to the same truth. I've learned more about my tradition by learning more about Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam and Judaism. And so I see these beautiful faith traditions as circling the same truth about the universe, about the cosmos. And that truth is inherently a mystery. Well, that's heresy, 100%. And, Father Calvin Robinson continues to join me on the program. And, you know, this clip, I'm glad, Kelvin went viral because a lot of actual Christians are pointing this out, that this sort of universalist nonsense to say, you know, there are many different paths to truth expressly goes against what Jesus himself said. I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the Father but through me. Christianity, by definition, is an exclusive religion and exclusively has a truth claim that cannot be coupled with or be a part of this kind of nonsense of a hodgepodge of many different ways to truth.

Calvin Robinson: Absolutely, Jenna. And I saw your response to this tweet when you said, I am the way, the truth, and, the life. No one comes to the Father but by me. And that's quote from Jesus Christ himself. So anyone that follows Christ, anyone that calls himself a Christian, should know that truth that Jesus is saying, he is the way, he is the truth, he is the life. And the only way to God the Father is through God the Son, Jesus Christ. So it's not a case of, well, actually, I have my religion, you have your religion, and he has his religion, she has her religion. And we'll all end up in the same place, I'm sure, as long as we're nice people. This is the lie of modernity. It's, it's liberalism. It's a post Christian thinking that came out of the Enlightenment. you know, we, you and I, live in Christendom, America, Great Britain, most of Western Europe is what used to be referred to as Christendom. These are nations that were founded upon the Christian faith. And that means that the laws, the culture, the people were all rooted in a Christian moral compass until just over 100 years ago, when all of a sudden people started to change the word religion from, you know, freedom of religion used to mean you can worship your God in any way, shape or form, like whether you're a Protestant or a Catholic, it doesn't matter. And now freedom of religion has been warped to mean, well, as long as you believe in a God or a universe or a goodness, it's all well and good. And it's not well and good, because actually what that means is we don't follow the commandments we've been given. If we are Christians, our number one calling is to love God and to love our neighbor as ourself. Those are the two greatest commandments as given to us by Jesus Christ himself. And so what that means is we love God first and foremost. And then the second part of that is love our neighbor as ourselves. That means we want our neighbor to get to heaven. And if Jesus Christ says he is the way and the only way to the Father, and if we learn in other scriptures like in Matthew 7, that we have to enter through the narrow gate, or Luke 13, strive to enter through that narrow door, if we learn through the Scriptures that there's only one way to heaven, it's through Jesus Christ, it's in that very narrow way. Then to love our neighbor truly means to lead them to him. It means to lead people to Jesus Christ. If you see someone that doesn't know Jesus and you want them to get to heaven, you introduce them to Jesus. If you don't care about them, if you don't love them, you don't want them to get to heaven, leave them to be Buddhist or Mohammedan or Hindu or whatever you just seek, just leave them to it. Right? That's quite horrible. That's quite cruel. You're leading people towards damnation. If you want them to come to heaven, if you want to love them, lead them to Jesus Christ. And that's what this chap is not doing, because he's fallen to the trap of liberal modern heresy of all ideas are equal, all faiths are equal, all cultures are equal, everything is equal, all people are equal. It's all good thing. And actually that's the lie from the devil. To persuade people that Christianity is just one among many, rather than the ultimate, universal, objective truth.

Jenna Ellis: Preach it, my friend. Absolutely. And this is the lie of the culture that you can call yourself a Christian without actually being born again, without, expressly affirming the truth of Scripture, and to say that somehow other religions inform your Christian beliefs and that you can be a type of Christian outside side, the tenants of the faith and what the Bible itself literally expresses as the definition of what it Means to, as you rightly said, to be a Christian. I mean this, this, the term itself has an inherent definition and, and yet especially in America, we see so many of these heretics in Christian clothing that we have to rightly divide truth from error. And we have to call out these people like James Talarika when he is calling himself a Christian, but expressing a religious viewpoint that is completely antithetical.

 : To what the Bible teaches.

Jenna Ellis: And it's the same thing that we have to do with the definition of terms in, in every other facet of what, what is going on that is wrong in this society. I mean, just like we have to rightly define a man versus a woman, we have to rightly define a Christian versus someone who is a non Christian by definition. And I think this is one of the biggest problems with the Republican Party right now when they're talking about a big tent. And you know, oh, as long as you vote Republican, that means that you share our values.

 : Well no it doesn't.

Jenna Ellis: Because even if you vote Republican, you could have views that you bring into this so called big tent that are watering down what it actually means to genuinely be a conservative, which used to define the Republican Party. We have to get back to terms having meaning. And first and foremost we as Christians must say that the term Christian means something. Just like the term marriage means something, just like the term American means something. All of these terms have a definition of what it is and what it is not. And I see that being a foundational problem in our advocacy for our Christian heritage. Do you?

Calvin Robinson: Oh, 100%. It's, I suppose it's not James's fault. Right? We're not teaching people anymore what it means to be a Christian, to be a follower of Christ. People assume it just means to be a nice person.

Steve Deace: Right.

Calvin Robinson: And we're never actually called to be nice. We're called to love, we're called to be kind, we're called to be merciful. We're not called to be nice. And to be nice can actually be sinful at times because to be nice often means to lie. And we've seen this throughout, the last few years when people have, for example, affirmed the trans movement and said, oh, I'm a Christian, but you know, if someone wants to live their life as a, if a man wants to live their life as a woman, who am I to say otherwise?

Many Christians who think they are Christian say things very confused

Well, if you're a follower of the truth, you are someone to say otherwise. Because our role is to lead people to Christ and that means to speak the Truth at all times. there are many instances where I've seen people who think they are Christian say things very confused. Like, I. I said something, at Christmas. I said, merry Christmas. Repent of your sins and seek Jesus as your Messiah. And I kid you not. Someone replied, not very Christlike at all. What do you mean? It's literally the most Christlike thing you can do. what did Jesus say most often to people that he met? Repent of your sins? He said, go away, sin no more. He wanted people to follow him. And people think to rebuke people and. Or to tell people to stop sinning is somehow not Christlike anymore. Because it's not n. And to be Christ like is to be nice. Well, Christ was not always nice. Christ often rebuked sin. He would heal people of their sin. He would absorb them of their sin more than he would heal them of their physical ailments. Because the whole purpose he was trying to show us was that, it's more important for us to be whole in our soul than it is in our body, because our body will die, but our soul will live forever. And so we want to be cleansed of sin, and we want to be as holy as possible. And that means we have to recognize the truth. And it's important because the truth is what sets us apart from the world around us. The world around us can say things like, yes, it's okay to be homosexual. And to. For two men to get married, or, it's okay for a man to live as a woman, or it's okay for a woman to. To abort her own offspring. Like, the world can say these things and have its own moral compass. But Christians cannot say these things because our Lord has taught us the difference between good and evil. So we don't get to make it up. We don't get to have this abstract idea of what it's like to be nice. We have to be good. And to be good is harder. Because when the world around you is saying, yeah, all these things are okay, all these things are nice. As a Christian, we have to say, I cannot abide by that. My Lord tells me otherwise. And that means that we will be hated. But of course, Christ foresaw this. And he told us, you know, the world will hate you, but it hated me first. And he goes on in the Beatitudes to say, you will be persecuted, but you will be blessed because of your persecution. And so we have to remember that actually it's a good thing for the world to hate us. It's A good thing for us to be different to the world because we are called to be in the world, but not of the world. And actually, every time we are hated, every time we are persecuted, every time we are oppressed because of our faith, we are storing up treasure in heaven. And every Christian should have that faith in their eternal salvation, that if they've repented of their sins and have faith in Jesus Christ, if they are born again, as you say, if they are baptized in water and the Holy Spirit, then they will have eternity in Jesus Christ. And that eternity is what matters more than our life here. Not say our life here doesn't matter, but it's what matters more. And so we should be storing up treasure there, not treasure here. And to store up treasure here means to have people like us because we're nice. To store treasure in heaven means to proclaim the truth and to lead people to Jesus Christ. Christ.

Jenna Ellis: Amen. And amen. And it's to have the definition that God provides and recognize that we, as followers of Christ, we submit to that higher authority and to Christ himself. So many Christians are actually promoting a false gospel and a fake Jesus of their own making. They want him to be this kind of kindler, gentler, you know, sort of Christianity. That is not actually what the Bible preaches and that's actually leading people into damnation for eternity. It is not leading them to the truth. And we need to, as Christians understand we have no say over the measurable difference between right and wrong, good and evil. These are definitions that God himself has set. We are confined to this reality. And all that we must do as Christians is point people to the truth, not of a false Jesus of our own making.

Calvin Robinson: Christians need to have bigger families first and foremost

So, last about minute, your closing thoughts. Calvin Robinson, thank you so much for coming on this morning.

Calvin Robinson: Yes, thank you. My closing thoughts are find a good, solid church. Find somewhere that doesn't have a rainbow flag outside or on the altar. Find somewhere that doesn't have a female priest or pastor. Find somewhere that is biblical, rooted in truth, holds the sacred tradition and sacred Scripture, holds to the sacraments, holds to Jesus Christ being all that matters, not an option amongst many. Go somewhere, you're going to be taught the truth as has been taught for the last 2000 years. Not somewhere that's going to affirm you in all of your sinful ways and leave you as you are. Because for a church to truly form you, it has to love you. And for a church to love you, it has to tell you the truth. And then once you are formed and catechized Once you are trained as a Christian, it is in your job to go out and do the same. So we don't leave this to priests, ministers, pastors. It's not their job to catechize the world. It's our job as Christians to go out to the world and disciple the nations. It's our job to go forth and multiply to produce more Christians. And yes, that means have families. Christians need to have bigger families first and foremost. But secondly, it means to introduce people to Jesus Christ. That is the job of all of us. God bless you.

Jenna Ellis: Amen. Amen. And bless you as well. And to first proclaim Christ, we have to know Christ and the truth and we have to be discipled as well. So absolutely, if you're not in a good church, go get into one, get discipled. And as always, you you can reach me and my team. Jennafr.net. PreBorn's whole mission is to rescue babies from abortion and lead their families to Christ. Last year PreBorn's network of clinics saw 8,900 mothers come to Christ. Please join us in this life saving mission. To donate, go to preborn.com afr.