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Jenna Ellis Discusses God's Truth and Biblical Worldview in American Governance
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Jenna Ellis I love talking about the things of God. Because of truth and the biblical worldview. The U.S. constitution obligates our government to preserve and protect the rights that our founders recognize come from God our Creator, not our government. I believe that scripture in the Bible is very clear that God is the one that raised up each of you and God has allowed us to be brought here to this specific moment in time.
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Christian Commentator Samuel Say Faces Deportation Amidst Legal and Immigration Scrutiny
Jenna Ellis Good morning. It is Thursday, October 29, and you may be seeing some of the headlines about an arrest of a Christian commentator and blogger. And before you read those headlines to consider that this is persecution of Christians, let's dig a little deeper into the facts and also the controversy around this that has been really unsavory, to be honest. so this, this is coming from the Christian Post. Christian commentator and blogger Samuel say, known for his biblical commentary on cultural and political issues, is facing deportation after being detained by ICE. Say, who's 39 year old, 30, 9 years old, was born in Ghana, grew up in Canada, and he has apparently been living in Ohio with his wife and three young children. He was arrested on October 21st at the Columbus International Airport and has been held, in ICE custody and is facing deportation. So the Department of Homeland Security did issue a statement and according to that statement, say entered the United States legally in 2022 on a visitor visa, but overstayed his authorized period of admission by more than four years. DHS further stated that say has no pending immigration applications, has accepted voluntary departure, and will remain in ICE custody until he is removed from the United. The agency also emphasizes that it does not selectively enforce immigration law.
Questions Arise About Samuel Say's Entry and Immigration Status Amidst Deportation Proceedings
And so now there is also some question because he married, a U.S. citizen when he came in. There are some statements that have gone back to the period of around 2022 that are now questioning whether he entered on that visitor visa with intent to immigrate and marry, whether there is fraud involved. So more facts are going to come out and say's family does, does, say in their statement that there's more to the story. In a statement that was released, this week, his wife Annie said that her husband entered the United States legally, which DHS doesn't contest, and has been working in good faith with an immigration attorney to obtain permanent legal status. She said the family is still trying to understand what went wrong, wrong in the process. And she also emphasized that, consistent with Romans 13, their family respects American law and is working through the legal process to bring Samuel home. So some supporters have suggested that the situation may involve a clerical or paperwork error, although the precise nature of that alleged error has not been publicly established. And the dhs, seems to, to have refuted that in their statement. But what makes this case particularly notable, beyond the response that it's gotten in the media, is that say himself has been an outspoken supporter of ICE and immigration enforcement. he's spoken at TPUSA events.
Discussion on Immigration Law Enforcement and Christian Responses to Samuel Say's Case
He was actually on his way to do the Jeremy Boreing show, when he was arrested. And so, one of the producers, I believe, for that show, who used to be a managing editor at the Babylon Bee, Joel Berry, started a fundraiser, asking for support for his family. And SAY has previously argued that deporting those who violate immigration law is not inherently unchristian. So, you know, all of that to say that it does appear that at least the Trump administration is being consistent with enforcing the law. And Christians should respond to this, not only, saying that we would like to see the facts of this case before we respond, but that if what the DHS is saying is true, then we would support, immigration law being applied to a Christian blogger as much as we would want it applied to Ilhan Omar and, and the left. So this isn't about politics or political opposition. It's about policy and saying this is what we voted for. But a lot of the response to this has been to attack Sam say personally, particularly by the group who calls themselves the NewSong Christian Right, and a lot of these Christian nationalists. And they're coming after anyone, especially Joel Berry, and also including my next guest, Neil Shenvi, by suggesting that if there's even any questions or their support for say's family, because even if the worst is true, that, you know, there was fraud involved, that he came in, actually, illegally on it, on even a visitor visa, but with intent to stay, this is still going to be really hard for his family. His wife is still an American citizen. There are three little children involved. Christian charity might dictate that we would, find it in our hearts to at least give to support the family that's not inherently wrong or inconsistent with still supporting what ICE is doing. But these Christian nationalists are suggesting otherwise and literally attacking anyone who even has any remote concern for say in his family. So let's welcome in ah, Neil Shenvi who is a Christian apologist, homeschool dad and kind of a prolific writer on X. I've seen a lot of his work as well. So Neil, good morning and tell us your thoughts about the Christian nationalist response in your personal experience.
Critique of Christian Nationalist Responses to Samuel Say's Deportation Case
Neil Shenvi Thanks so much for having me, Jenna. Yeah, that's a great setup for ah, what I'm going to talk about. Good summary of the facts. And so I first saw anything about Sam, who I've known previously, we're friends, we've spoken together, we both reject critical race theory. That's how we kind of got connected. But I first saw reports of his detention from a Christian professing Christian white nationalist named Cody Justice. He posted Sam's mugshot and he said this on X. he may claim he isn't black or that if he is, it's not trivial, but it seems that Butler County Jail in the great state of Ohio says otherwise. He's like, oh, he's black, he belongs in jail. That's what they say. And then one person replied, well was he here illegally? And justice said let's hope so. In other words, he doesn't know why he's being detained but he's hoping to get deported. Now why would he say that? Well a few days ago justice posted a speech entitled Blood, Soil and Faith. And in that speech he said, what's an American? An American is first and foremost defined by blood, specifically that Americans by definition are white. This is our first principle. And then last year he talked about how the integrity of American states rests on white supremacy. So this is clearly a white nationalist professing Christian. And if you've been on X the last few days, you've seen many self identified Christian nationalists, as you say, just being extremely just. There's no other word for it, vile posting memes using racial slurs. So that reaction is appalling. And I've spoken all over the country to very conservative Christians, evangelicals who are opposed to critical race theory, who are strongly, you know, have legal only immigration, enforced. Ah, but they are also appalled by this. It's not racially motivated.
Examining Biblical Worldview on Immigration Law, Justice, and National Borders
It's just we want to follow the law and we want a society which treats everyone justly and equally. So this is really an over the top reaction.
Jenna Ellis Yeah. And it's so unfortunate and unbiblical frankly to see the Christian nationalist response to this go to, ah, race. And I've seen a lot of racial slurs as well, you know, saying that he belongs back in Ghana and even his family, his wife Annie who is, we know is an American citizen, and his children as well, that they should be deported, with him because now they are in an interracial marriage which these white supremacists of course abhor and they wrongly say is unbiblical. They reject the truth of the Bible that says there is one race, the human race. And they are attacking Sam say, not because they're supporting specifically border control, border enforcement, but because of his nationality and also his skill, skin color, which I think it's important to distinguish those two issues which have gotten really muddied in this response. And so what is the biblical worldview of how we should approach some of these conversations when we're talking about supporting ice, enforcement equally, regardless whether it's a Christian blogger or it's, you know, someone on the left, regardless of where they're from, whether it's Canada or Ghana or anywhere else. But also recognizing that this has absolutely nothing to do with hating the individual or especially considering, an American only someone who looks or has a heritage in a certain way and actually directing hate toward those who don't.
Neil Shenvi That's a huge question.
Biblical Perspective on Human Race Unity in Christ and Opposition to Critical Race Theory
So let me begin by, for just saying that not all Christian nationalists, even self identified Christian nationalists would, would feel this way. Many of them are equally shocked and horrified by this response. So it's a very vague, broad term. Just clear up who we're talking about. I would say Biblically, you're exactly right. There's one race, the human race. in Acts 17, Paul says from one man, God created all men. And that in Galatians 3:28, there's neither Jew or Greek slave, nor female, male nor female in Christ, that we're all one in Christ. That doesn't mean we literally erase gender or ethnicity, but it just says there's a deeper unifying theme to the Bible, that we share, across lines of race, ethnicity, even gender, which is that we're all made in God's image, we are all fallen into sin. We all need redemption through one Jewish savior, Jesus Christ, one mediator between God and man.
Biblical Principles of Law and Love for Sojourners in the Old Testament
And this is why Sam and I both oppose critical race theory, because it divides us across these lines of color as oppressor and oppressed. And we would say no. The Bible's worldview is that there is this deep fundamental human solidarity. So that's just right off the bat. We've recognized that in terms of, law and immigration law, there are two very, sort of clear streams and most intention in the Old Testament, or they would be seen as today. So one is that God commands his people, the Israelites, to love the ger. This is the, the sojourner. Not an Israelite and not really a foreigner, but sort of permanent or, semi permanent resident in Israel. They're commanded to have one law. So if you were a gayer, a sojourner, you couldn't worship idols. You had to worship, or you'd at least not worship idols. You had to follow all of God's laws. The emphasis is that they followed the same laws as the Israelites. It happens over and over. God says there shall be one law for the sojourner and, the Israelites, not two laws. There were some exceptions for religious rituals because they couldn't participate in Passover. But the emphasis is that there's one law of the land. It's God's law, and everyone follows it. But at the same time, they were to love the ger, not mistreat them, not oppress them. And God actually says, why? Because you were once Ger, that is us sojourners in Egypt. For 400 years, the Israelites were resident aliens in Egypt, where they were enslaved. And God says, you remember that. So you're to love your neighbor as yourself. Interestingly, that same command is given about the sojourners.
God's Respect for Borders and the Importance of Immigration Laws
And Jesus repeats that command in, of course, in Luke's Gospel, that love our neighbors ourselves is the second greatest commandment. So that's one stream. But the other stream also is that God does respect borders. This is sort of surprising. But for example, in Deuteronomy, God m. Moses is recounting how God provided for the Israelites during the conquest of Canaan, the Exodus. But he says, God told you he will not give you a square inch in the land of Moab. That's not your land. That is their land. And when the Israelites traveled across the, land of the Amorites, Moses asked permission of the king, this pagan king. They were going to conquer them. But he said, this is your land. Can we please go across it? We will not turn to the right or the left. We'll go straight across the land. We'll buy the food we eat and the water we drink. And the king of Amorites refused. But it shows that God respects borders. He does not want this expansionist Jewish empire to conquer the world. He says, no, I've given you your land, this is your land. But it's not. He said, take other people's lands. But I think those two things are, true today still, that borders are a good thing, that nations should care for their citizens. Primarily. Not only, but primarily. And we have to have some kind of immigration policy and to share this, I think for progressives, just ask them a question. Say, what would you feel if, say, 5 million Americans just moved illegally to Tanzania to the population of 70 million people? Should Tanzanians just say, that's fine, do whatever you want, you know, we're not going to enforce our law? I think no. Presumably you'd say, yeah, they have concerns that are legitimate, not racist, that they're going to experience incredible, depletion of social services. None of the Americans speak Swahili, which is the national language of Tanzania. So there's going to be problems there. And it's right for Tanzania to say, hey, we have laws. Please respect our laws and please enforce our laws. So by the same token, then we should, as Christians, say it's totally reasonable and not racist to have laws regarding immigration. We can talk about what the best laws are, what laws are just, but then we should have to enforce them because we are a nation of laws.
Ensuring Consistency and Fairness in Immigration Law Enforcement
Jenna Ellis Yeah. So well said. And this is, what I always say on this program for regular listeners, that we have to go by the biblical principles. Those are objective and truthful, and then we build up our policy from there. We can argue and debate the policy about how to best implement those principles and those goals. But we also want to ensure that we are going to, make sure that we build up our policy from there. And in the Samuel Tsay case, some of the Christians who strongly support immigration enforcement are now concerned about how the law is being applied to someone they respect. But we need to ensure that we do have consistency and that if we are a nation of laws, first and foremost, it is biblical. But then also our policy when we, when we actually legislate it is then implemented in the same way, but without being hateful toward the people, which unfortunately are captured under that law. So, Anil Shenvi, I so appreciate, you being on this show.
Book Recommendation: Post Woke by Neil Shenvi
You did write a book that talks about, about asserting a biblical vision of race, gender and sexuality. It's called Post Woke. Get that now. You can follow him on X eelshenvey. We'll be right back with more.
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Jenna Ellis welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis Welcome back. So when we're talking about enforcing a nation's laws and we're talking about principles and then the policy that can be debatable on that, we have to draw a distinction between the principles and the law that are built upon those principles that's enforced hopefully in a just way. And justice should be blind, right?
The Importance of Justice, Religious Freedom, and Speaking Out Against Persecution
Lady Liberty, is very famous for that, wearing that blindfold, you know, over her eyes, saying that I don't look at, in a just society. I don't look at any of the immutable characteristics or issues of faith. You shouldn't be targeted in this country just because you are a Christian. But if and when you are, whether in this country or somewhere else, then Christians should speak out about that. And there's this headline now in the BBC, that more than 60 Christians were killed in an Ethiopia massacre.
Discussion on Christian Persecution Globally and Media Neglect of Such Events
A church official says, so According to the BBC report, more than 60 people have been killed in a series of attacks on Christians in Ethiopia's or, or Maya, I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that right region. According to the country's Orthodox church, One resident whose 75 year old father was killed just so horrific, described it as an ambush. He told BBC, we were completely unprepared and had no prior knowledge. They surrounded us from all four directions. The regional government said it would take action against those responsible. But this kind of headline you don't hear about in the local news. Why? Because, I mean right now, understandably, everyone's focused on midterms. We largely have been on this program as well. But at the same time we don't like to talk in the mainstream media about anything other than ourselves. Right? And as Christians we absolutely should be concerned about other Christians globally. So let's welcome in one of the best people who always reports on Christians globally, Joel, Rosenberg, host of the Rosenberg Report and also editor, in chief at all israel.com and Joel, I know you're coming from us, are to us from Israel today and you posted about this story, which was actually how I heard about it. So thank you because I follow you Listeners should as well. And, and your comment as well was, why aren't more people reporting on this?
Joel Rosenberg Yeah, well, for so many reasons, the mainstream media doesn't really care about Christians. And, because almost no Christian serve in newsrooms across the country. I mean, that's not 100% true, obviously, in Christian media, like, what you guys are doing, Jenna, and what we're doing at all. Israelnews.com you know, we, we have Christians in the newsroom. We were happy to hire people that don't believe like we are, like we do, but we have to help everyone understand we have a perspective. And Christians are under attack all over the world. 60 Christians massacred. M. In Ethiopia. I was just in Ethiopia, recently. And so this is just horrific.
The Urgency of Christian Engagement in Civil and Political Processes
Christians, slaughtered in, the Kingdomnomics of Jordan, just across the river from where I am in Jerusalem. radical, Islamist terrorists stormed into a Greek Orthodox church while there was a funeral going on, opened fire three terrorists, murdered nine Jordanian Christians, wounded almost 60 more. and obviously Jews and Christians have been under attack here in Israel for three years. So, look, the mainstream media doesn't get it. That's why you have this show. That's why American Family Radio exists. That's why All Israel News exists, among others. Tbn, my show on, tbn, the Rosenberg Report, is the leading Christian, most watched Christian television network in the United States. Why? Because people are looking for truth and they're looking for a balanced, perspective from a biblical worldview. And that's more urgent than ever.
Jenna Ellis Absolutely. And yeah, and we can't forget that while there are of course, headlines and most of the time we cover, rightly so, you know, the headlines that are here in the United States, we can't forget that these, these other headlines and the events and especially the horrific nature of Christian persecution is happening across the globe. And in a large part, looking at, at what's happening to Christians in other countries should motivate us to engage in our civil process here in the United States. even more so that we never get to the type of environment that other countries have when the government is the one persecuting Christians.
Call to Action: Christians Must Vote to Protect Values and Religious Freedom
And we've seen that, I never thought I would see that in my lifetime, as much as the Biden administration specifically targeted Christians. But that's why laws matter. A legitimate government matters, and engaging in our civil process matters. And, so for the Christians who are considering, you know, staying at home because they're you know, frustrated at this, that or the other thing. my, my plea would be please, while you still have time, get out to the polls and vote all the way down ticket for the best candidate possible and for the best, issue resolution if there's issues on the ballot as possible. Exercising your civic responsibility as a Christian, Joel?
Joel Rosenberg Absolutely, Jenna. And it's not just a civic responsibility, it's a God given right to vote. Now, not all Christians in all places at all times over the last 2000 years have had the opportunity to vote, but Americans do. Linne and I, literally got on a phone, on a plane 10 days ago and we flew to the United States. Yes, we had meetings in Washington and Florida that we needed to do and a, church to preach at. But we went and we accepted those invitations in part because we wanted to be in the United States to vote and we went to our local polling place in Virginia to vote early. And we're grateful for that because look, almost half of Christians didn't vote in the last election. When you think of, okay, so if you really believe in Jesus and you really believe in the Bible, then, and you believe in Judeo, Christian, biblical, values and principles from Genesis to Revelation, then the question is why not get up and bring your family and friends from church and go vote to make sure that at least you've done your part? You say, well, my vote doesn't matter. Well, it doesn't matter if you don't vote.
Consequences of Not Voting: Erosion of Christian Values and Religious Freedom
That's 100% true. But it matters if you do vote. And if you don't vote, then can you really complain that the people are elected who hate Christ, don't believe in religious freedom, want to murder babies all nine months, including after they're born, that they believe in, celebrating, sin, that they support having men go into women's lockers rooms, men competing in women's sports and you know, the list goes on and on. Also, people who hate the Jews, hate Israel, want to blow up the U. S. Israel strategic alliance. Look, these are the folks that are on the ballot and if you don't take your stand, then you certainly can't complain later that oh my gosh, all the things I care about are being washed away.
Israel's High Voter Turnout: An Example of Civic Engagement and Valuing Voice
So get out there and vote. Vote early. I, won't say vote often, but I would give the example of Israel. We just had elections on Tuesday. 77.7% of Israelis who are eligible voted in this election. This is a historic number for Israel in the last eight decades of modern Israeli civilization. almost 80% of Israelis turning out to the polls. And we had people flying from all over the world, Jews who are Israeli citizens coming back to vote because we don't have absentee balloting. And I just say that that's an incredible example. It's way higher than in the United States.
Worldview Differences in Governance: Trump Administration vs. Biden Administration on Religious Freedom
but it shows people care. And when they care and they want their voice heard, they don't tell themselves, oh, I'm just one person. They say, no, I'm a person. I have agency. God has given me the right to vote. I'm going to make my perspective clear.
Jenna Ellis Yes. Ah, absolutely. And, it's great to see that there was such a phenomenal turnout, even though, perhaps the results in Israel wasn't, what a lot of us expected. And I want to get your commentary on that in a moment. But first, I did want to mention, though, when we're talking about how elections have consequences to be engaged, and even if you, know, the current administration, for example, isn't doing as much on every policy issue as we would prefer, and certainly, you know, there are things that, that I've critiqued or I've said they should be doing more. There are things we applaud and we should, as Christians, you have to stand back, though, and say, okay, the difference in a Donald Trump administration in a second term versus what would have happened in a Kamala Harris administration are just night and day different. And this always comes down to a worldview question. And it was very, A very stark example yesterday with the State Department on X, for example, excuse me. That posted, this on X with a video, but the captions.
Celebrating Christian Heritage and Religious Freedom in the United States
And you should watch the video. it said, America, more than any other nation in world history, was shaped by the Christian tradition of spreading the gospel unto all nations. Join us in celebrating International Religious Freedom Day. And that came from our official State Department account, which, of course is headed up by Marco Rubio. And the left, including, Senator Anthony Weiner, is, you know, going off on this, going, well, what about religious freedom? And everybody's responding to him going, well, yeah. And the reason we have religious freedom in this country is because we're a Christian nation and because of the values that our founders, cared to embed in our U.S. constitution. And, you know, my response is, well, if you don't like it, move it. Move somewhere else. But we're going to continue to preserve our, our Christian heritage in this country. But, but I love the fact that our state Department and across the Trump administration, even the White House. You, you know, everyone is not afraid to post things like this. And that has been a really amazing, I think, effort by the Trump administration to bring in a lot of Christians and to ensure that, that we aren't silent or we're not compelled or having this, you know, chilling effect just because of the leftists, you know, screeching over it. There's actually encouragement from the Trump administration for Christians to reclaim and re. Proclaim our founding.
Marco Rubio's Background and Advocacy for Religious Freedom
And I think it's amazing.
Joel Rosenberg It is amazing. And I want to say how much I'm, how grateful I am, that Marco Rubio is the Secretary of State of the United States. He, He's a personal friend and I got to know him. I don't get, you know, I don't talk to him these days. He's a pretty busy guy with a lot of assignments on his, on his plate. But, but he's a devout Christian. he loves the Lord. he's the son of Cuban immigrants who came here from a communist country. And he knows the. He understands his birthright. That his birthright was. He was born in the United States in a free society. He grew up in a Catholic, family, and appreciates his Roman Catholic, Catholic roots. But he became an Evangelical Christian. He had the freedom to explore, to read the Bible, to ask questions. This is the choice he made. And he understands the value of religious freedom. He's not saying that every, you know, as the Secretary of State, he's not saying that everybody has to be Christian. He's not saying that everybody in the country is Christian or that Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or atheists can't practice their faith or, lack thereof.
Contrasting State Department's Celebration of Christian Roots with Biden Administration's Policies
What he's saying is we can celebrate the fact that our, that the United States is the greatest beacon of freedom, of individual freedom and religious freedom in the world. We set the example. We're not perfect, but we work on correcting our mistakes. And it was the Biden White, House and the Biden administration and, and Secretary of State, ah, Tony Blinken. They were putting up the, the gay pride flag, over embassies all over the US Embassies all over the world and of course, the White House and elsewhere. they believed in celebrating, something that God, you know, is clear that he opposes. but they felt fine that they had the freedom to celebrate this. Now. They did have that freedom. I just totally disagree.
Trump Administration's Support for Christians and Religious Freedom vs. Biden Administration
And I think that, for the screeching of the Left and former Biden administration officials screeching and screaming and convetching that, Marco Rubio is celebrating, ah, our Christian roots. Like, that's just unbelievably hypocritical. but also it shows the, you know, that people make policy and you have to vote people in. And I know you and I have talked about how many Christians have been troubled by things that President Trump has said or done. You and I get that, and we've been clear and honest. However, that being said, you don't have to think that Trump is a perfect person. You don't even have to necessarily like him, but you have to look at what he's doing. He's promoting people into power, into authority, that love Christ and celebrate Christianity and defend religious freedom and protect Christians who've been under assault and protect our allies like Israel and Ukraine and others. And I think this is important, what Trump has done. And it doesn't mean I have to agree with every single statement or even every single tweet.
Voting for Values: Why Christians Should Support Trump Over Biden
I don't. But I really. But the question is, overall, did I get more for my values and biblical principles by voting for President Trump than when, you know, than if I had voted, you know, God forbid, for Joe Biden? And the answer is 100% yes. and I think that's important for Christians to realize. Don't sit home over the next few days. I would vote early if you can, just to avoid the lines, but. But at least turn out on Tuesday. Don't let the values, that are antithetical to the Bible, antithetical to you as a Christian. Don't let those values dominate your district, your state, and, ultimately the country, because you thought your voice didn't matter.
The Importance of Voting and Preserving God-Given Rights
It's not true. God didn't say your voice doesn't matter. He said, I made you. I knit you together in your mother's womb. You were fearfully and wonderfully made. And if he's given you the opportunity to have your voice heard in a democracy, you know, don't disregard your birthright.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, absolutely. And this is something that we have to take seriously. We can look at the past, even just a couple of elections, and say, you know, this could have turned out so differently. And I'm thankful that we have people like Marco Rubio.
Looking Ahead: Ensuring Future Leaders Uphold Christian Values
I'm thankful that, you know, here in Florida, we still, for at least another couple months, have the Governor Desantis. We need to make sure that the people who come into office following are just as solid of Christians, and we can do the best that we can with our vote. And I do want to talk about, the Israel elections. And so Joel Rosenberg is going to stay with us through the break. And we will be right back with more.
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Israel's Election Results: Allegations of Foreign Interference and Netanyahu's Claims
Jenna Ellis welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis And our good friend Joel Rosenberg, host of the Rosenberg Report and editor in chief@all israel.com is still with us. And he comes, to us from Jerusalem and where Israel, is now awaiting final election results as a client claim of foreign interference from Benjamin Netanyahu emerges. he posted on X a pretty lengthy, post yesterday. It started by saying the elections in the state of Israel were stolen by Arab parties that support terrorism and the elimination of the Jewish state through serious criminal offenses of bribery, threats, violence, forgeries, and the use of prohibited software to mobilize voters. And so he's demanding from the Central Elections Committee an immediate response to investigate these criminal, offenses that have severely damaged the integrity of the elections in Israel and the election results. So that's part of his statement. but, Joel, I'm a little bit confused, honestly, because obviously the Israel elections operate very differently, in their government system, very differently than here in the United States. And, reports have suggested that, Netanyahu does have a majority, but maybe not a majority enough to form a government.
Analyzing Israel's Election Results: Arab Party Gains and Potential Coalition Challenges
So what exactly is going on here?
Joel Rosenberg Well, Jenna, it's complicated right so let's take, we'll try to break things down into a few simple points, and then you can zoom in on any one of those that you want. First, on this election, interference, that's a very serious charge. I can't say that it's true, but, you know, if the Prime Minister is making that charge, you got to listen to it carefully. The idea is that Qatar, the tiny Gulf Islamist nation, and Turkey may have been, providing, illegal assistance and thus interference in the, Islamist, anti Zionist Arab parties here in Israel. Overall, the Arab parties gained, 19 seats. That is a record. The Arab parties have never gained that many seats. now one of those parties is, sort of a moderate Arab party that has a Jewish former IDF general as the number two and is trying to become more mainstream, to become part of the Israeli society. The others are a mixture of communist and sort of radical Islamist, parties.
Netanyahu's Performance in Israel's Election and His Response to Perceived Interference
But they're citizens of Israel, so they have the right to vote, but they don't have the right to have Turkey and Qatar provide a legal assistance to them. So I can't say that that's true. I'm just saying that that's what the Prime Minister is saying. so that should be investigated, number one. Number two, why is Netanyahu talking about a stolen election? Well, because his party did very, very badly. Now, it did it. Netanyahu and his party and his coalition did not get washed out to sea. There was a, There was a real fear over the last, year or two by, the Netanyahu team that there would be a tsunami against him because of his, you know, because he allowed a catastrophic failure and disaster on October 7, 2023. However, other people said, you know, yes, Netanyahu didn't do a good job that day. That was horrible. But ever since, right. He's been in the lead in helping to destroy, the Iran threat, the Hezbollah threat in Lebanon, and the Hamas threat in Gaza. Are those jobs all done? No. But has he accomplished more than any prime minister in the history of Israel and working very closely with President Trump and the U.S. military? Yes. So shouldn't he be rewarded for that? Well, his supporters would say absolutely. So that's number two.
Coalition Dynamics in Israel: Netanyahu's Seats vs. Opposition's Performance
So now Netanyahu, at the moment, he and his coalition, literally sitting in the parliament right now, have 68 seats out of the 120 seats in the Parliament. Okay. But as of the elections, they now have 53 seats. Okay, so. So that those seats haven't been taken yet. So Netanyahu still technically has 58. I'm, sorry, 68, but they dropped to 53. That's pretty bad. That's why you're hearing the, you know, the, the calls of a stolen election. But was it really stolen? Or did many Israelis think, I don't like the job that Netanyahu has done for this reason, that reason, the other reason. We can get into those reasons if you want. October 7th was one of those, but certainly not the only one. Now the third point is that the opposition did much more poorly here than you would think. if you look at this.
The Deadlock in Israeli Politics and the Call for a National Unity Government
So Gotti Eisenkot is a former IDF chief of staff. He's not a left winger, he's a right winger who Netanyahu appointed to be the head of the idf, the Israeli military, several years ago. But they had a falling out. Gotti Eisenhower is now the head of the opposition. But Eisenhower was expected to win outright, he and his and his coalition partners and win 61 seats or more. They did not. They only won 48 seats. So they did much more poorly than, than anyone was anticipating. And so there is a deadlock right now. And I would say quickly, the fourth point is, we are either going back to another round of elections next, you know, early next year, March, April, or I think what would be far preferable is that Netanyahu, Eisenhower and some of the other parties form a national unity government, to say, look, we don't agree on a number of things. True. But we have to face Iran. We have to finish that off. We have to work with the Americans on that. And we have other issues, economic and foreign policy and domestic policy that can't wait.
Israel's First Full Term Election and the Need for Compromise
And we don't want to divide our society more.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, and a lot to follow up on there. But, you mentioned that, this election wasn't entirely a referendum on Netanyahu's leadership, since October 7th, although this was Israel's first national election since the Hamas attacks. is that, was this on schedule or has this been, you know, pushed out? And why this election now?
Analyzing the Israeli Election Results: Netanyahu's Performance and Coalition Challenges
Joel Rosenberg The election happened, on Tuesday because, it, it was legally due after four years. It's actually the first time that Israel has gone a full four year term, with a government in place, without it falling early and going to early elections. You'll recall, Jenna, that a few years ago Israel had five elections in two years. It just couldn't put together a government and we just kept going to elections over and over and over again. That was really expensive, exhausting and super frustrating.
Jenna Ellis I cannot imagine having Five presidential elections here in two years. I think our society would totally collapse. But, so what happens next, though, in terms of who has the advantage in potential coalition negotiations? Because as you mentioned, neither Netanyahu or Eisencot appears to have the 61 seats necessary to form a government.
Joel Rosenberg Right. so let me just go back to one point you made earlier. Just, just a moment earlier. I believe that this election was a referendum on Netanyahu. And as I say, from that perspective, Netanyahu and his allies did very poorly. Okay.
Coalition Building in Israel: The Math and the Challenges for Netanyahu and Eisenkot
They dropped from 68 to 53. That's pretty bad, right? A 15 point drop. A 15 seat drop. However, Netanyahu's party is still the largest in the country, and that's why he's feeling m more confident. He right now seems to have 26, seats. The votes are final. Votes are still being counted, but he seems to have 26 seats himself. His party, Likud, whereas the next biggest party, Ghaidi Eisenhut, his Yashar party, has only 21. So, you know, it's not like Netanyahu. The bottom dropped out, but not as badly as people thought. So that's the first thing. But related is there is no way for either side to, make a coalition, that is a mainstream, coalition made up of Israelis who care about the country. And what I mean by that is Eisen caught. If he went with all the Arab parties, 19 seats, he could take his 48, add 19. Right. He would be well over 60, close to 70 with that group. But a group, you know, a big portion of that, 12 of those 19 seeds on the Arab side are communists and radical Islamists. So, no Israeli Jewish Zionist is going to make a national government with communists and radical Islamists. You might make a government with that moderate Arab party called Ra' am, which is seven seats. But even seven added to Eisenhower's 48, meaning Eisenhower and his colleagues, that doesn't get you there. So that's the deadlock. So President Bougie Isaac Herzog, that's his name, Herzog. It's his responsibility starting next week to bring each leader in, sit down with them and say, okay, what do you want? What do you, what compromise are you willing to, I mean, make?
The Need for Compromise and Unity in Israeli Politics Amidst Coalition Deadlock
Are we really going to have to go back to national elections or create some of the bigger, more mainstream parties? Just join together. You could easily put together, Jenna, a group of 70, 72, 75 seats and get going on national issues, and keep the extremists on Both sides, the right and the left, far right and far left. You can keep them out, no problem. But people who don't like each other would have to compromise and form that government. That's certainly what I hope. That's what I'm praying for. But I certainly, I'm not a betting man anyway, but I'm not ready to. Even if I was, I wouldn't put money on it.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, but, you know, it would seem that there could be some ego set aside and say, okay, we'd rather work with, you know, the Zionists altogether rather than, having a government dependent on Arab led parties.
Distinguishing Arab Parties from Ideological Extremism in Israeli Coalition Building
I mean, I hope here in the United States we don't have, you know, the the socialist, Islamist sort of, ah, parties in control ever here. That's kind of what we're, facing in the midterms and perhaps beyond in certain seats at least. but a government.
Joel Rosenberg If you don't mind, let me just interject. You know, it's not about being Arab. Okay. I want to be very clear about that. Israel, I mean, some Israelis are racist, unfortunately, as, in every site. But that the issue of being Arab is not the issue in, in this coalition building. It's that some people are communist and radical Islamists and think that the IDF is.
Jenna Ellis It's the world view 100%. It's the worldview. I mean, just like, you know, we don't, we don't oppose Democrats because. Yeah, because we hate them. It's the, it's the worldview that we say, we don't want your socialist communist policies to be, integrated into our US Government system.
The Impossibility of Alliances with Extremist Parties in Israeli Politics
So. Yeah, absolutely.
Joel Rosenberg Imagine if you, if you had to build an alliance, a coalition with, 12 Abdul El Sayed. you wouldn't do it. Nobody would ever do. Well,
Jenna Ellis Hakeem Jeffries might,
Joel Rosenberg but,
Jenna Ellis but, you know, yeah,
Joel Rosenberg okay.
Jenna Ellis It's,
Joel Rosenberg I mean, Republicans wouldn't. My point
Jenna Ellis exactly.
Joel Rosenberg Who is not going to make an alliance with him? And Eisenhower, I don't think is going to do it either. Right. So if you look at the straight math, you'd say, oh, the opposition 167, and the Netanyahu government, 153. Well, there you go. No, not there you go.
The Case for Compromise and Unity Government in Israel
12 of those 67 are Abdul El Sayed. So you're definitely not going to go that direction. That's why I think it's not that the country wants a national unit government, but they do. They would prefer the two sides work together. They, the nation didn't give one side or the other a Decisive win. And I think that shows, okay, so compromise and, figure out how to lead the society in a healthy way and try to create more unity rather than more division.
Jenna Ellis Yeah. Because, I mean, if they are having to work together, at least, hopefully their goals on some of these national security decisions involving Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah, you know, would be consistent instead of having to rely on some of these other parties that would likely, make those types of national security decisions, including a lot of other things, a lot more difficult.
Joel Rosenberg Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I would ask, Christians listening, to your program, to pray that Israel can find a way, Israel's leaders, to a national unity government.
Praying for a National Unity Government in Israel Amidst National Security Challenges
Their issues far too big and far too dangerous, and far too urgent to sort of wallow, in division. It's just not time for that. And there are extremists on both the far left in Israel and the far right. But there's plenty of seats to create a solid, stable working majority in the 70s, 72, 75 seats if the center right, and the right and the center even slightly center left work together. This country is mostly a right wing country and center right country, it was founded by leftists, socialists, but the country has moved to free markets and they moved to strong security.
Understanding Israel's Political Spectrum: From Moderate to Strong Conservative
They moved to the right wing. Here it's like an entire nation almost of Republicans, but there's a wide, you know, swath of Republicans. There's Ted Cruz on the strong right, you'd say of the conservative in Republicans. And then there's Susan Collins. Susan Collins in Maine is a moderate, but you want her in the Republican Party just like you want Ted Cruz so that it doesn't go into the hands of the other side.
Netanyahu's Strengths, Weaknesses, and the Call for a Unity Coalition
And that's really what we're talking about. It's a country of, between Susan Collins and Ted Cruz. and that's not a bad place to live. it's, but, but there has to be unity. And a large part of this right now is Netanyahu. Netanyahu has so many strengths and he has so many successes. He's late in the game. He's 77 years old. He's been Prime Minister 19 of the last 30 years. He has tremendous experience, but he does have some flaws.
The Importance of Compromise and Unity in Israeli Politics
He has, he's made some serious mistakes. And I think right now his legacy would be really well, suited to reach out and build a unity coalition. And I think Eisenhower, who built his entire political career on, I mean of late on removing Netanyahu. Well, the country doesn't want to remove Netanyahu if it did, Eisenhower would have all the votes he needed. So this is why compromise is critical
Jenna Ellis and why majorities matter. Absolutely. And, that's a lesson for us and to learn as well. And President Trump endorsed Netanyahu during the campaign. The AP reported also that Trump, subsequently said he'd consider helping Netanyahu form a government.
Final Thoughts: Praying for Israel and President Trump's Endorsement of Netanyahu
So we'll see what happens in the coming days. We do need to pray for Israel. Joel Rosenberg, thanks so much as always. You can reach me and my team. Jenna fr.net.
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Jenna Ellis Discusses God's Truth and Biblical Worldview in American Governance
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Jenna Ellis I love talking about the things of God. Because of truth and the biblical worldview. The U.S. constitution obligates our government to preserve and protect the rights that our founders recognize come from God our Creator, not our government. I believe that scripture in the Bible is very clear that God is the one that raised up each of you and God has allowed us to be brought here to this specific moment in time.
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Christian Commentator Samuel Say Faces Deportation Amidst Legal and Immigration Scrutiny
Jenna Ellis Good morning. It is Thursday, October 29, and you may be seeing some of the headlines about an arrest of a Christian commentator and blogger. And before you read those headlines to consider that this is persecution of Christians, let's dig a little deeper into the facts and also the controversy around this that has been really unsavory, to be honest. so this, this is coming from the Christian Post. Christian commentator and blogger Samuel say, known for his biblical commentary on cultural and political issues, is facing deportation after being detained by ICE. Say, who's 39 year old, 30, 9 years old, was born in Ghana, grew up in Canada, and he has apparently been living in Ohio with his wife and three young children. He was arrested on October 21st at the Columbus International Airport and has been held, in ICE custody and is facing deportation. So the Department of Homeland Security did issue a statement and according to that statement, say entered the United States legally in 2022 on a visitor visa, but overstayed his authorized period of admission by more than four years. DHS further stated that say has no pending immigration applications, has accepted voluntary departure, and will remain in ICE custody until he is removed from the United. The agency also emphasizes that it does not selectively enforce immigration law.
Questions Arise About Samuel Say's Entry and Immigration Status Amidst Deportation Proceedings
And so now there is also some question because he married, a U.S. citizen when he came in. There are some statements that have gone back to the period of around 2022 that are now questioning whether he entered on that visitor visa with intent to immigrate and marry, whether there is fraud involved. So more facts are going to come out and say's family does, does, say in their statement that there's more to the story. In a statement that was released, this week, his wife Annie said that her husband entered the United States legally, which DHS doesn't contest, and has been working in good faith with an immigration attorney to obtain permanent legal status. She said the family is still trying to understand what went wrong, wrong in the process. And she also emphasized that, consistent with Romans 13, their family respects American law and is working through the legal process to bring Samuel home. So some supporters have suggested that the situation may involve a clerical or paperwork error, although the precise nature of that alleged error has not been publicly established. And the dhs, seems to, to have refuted that in their statement. But what makes this case particularly notable, beyond the response that it's gotten in the media, is that say himself has been an outspoken supporter of ICE and immigration enforcement. he's spoken at TPUSA events.
Discussion on Immigration Law Enforcement and Christian Responses to Samuel Say's Case
He was actually on his way to do the Jeremy Boreing show, when he was arrested. And so, one of the producers, I believe, for that show, who used to be a managing editor at the Babylon Bee, Joel Berry, started a fundraiser, asking for support for his family. And SAY has previously argued that deporting those who violate immigration law is not inherently unchristian. So, you know, all of that to say that it does appear that at least the Trump administration is being consistent with enforcing the law. And Christians should respond to this, not only, saying that we would like to see the facts of this case before we respond, but that if what the DHS is saying is true, then we would support, immigration law being applied to a Christian blogger as much as we would want it applied to Ilhan Omar and, and the left. So this isn't about politics or political opposition. It's about policy and saying this is what we voted for. But a lot of the response to this has been to attack Sam say personally, particularly by the group who calls themselves the NewSong Christian Right, and a lot of these Christian nationalists. And they're coming after anyone, especially Joel Berry, and also including my next guest, Neil Shenvi, by suggesting that if there's even any questions or their support for say's family, because even if the worst is true, that, you know, there was fraud involved, that he came in, actually, illegally on it, on even a visitor visa, but with intent to stay, this is still going to be really hard for his family. His wife is still an American citizen. There are three little children involved. Christian charity might dictate that we would, find it in our hearts to at least give to support the family that's not inherently wrong or inconsistent with still supporting what ICE is doing. But these Christian nationalists are suggesting otherwise and literally attacking anyone who even has any remote concern for say in his family. So let's welcome in ah, Neil Shenvi who is a Christian apologist, homeschool dad and kind of a prolific writer on X. I've seen a lot of his work as well. So Neil, good morning and tell us your thoughts about the Christian nationalist response in your personal experience.
Critique of Christian Nationalist Responses to Samuel Say's Deportation Case
Neil Shenvi Thanks so much for having me, Jenna. Yeah, that's a great setup for ah, what I'm going to talk about. Good summary of the facts. And so I first saw anything about Sam, who I've known previously, we're friends, we've spoken together, we both reject critical race theory. That's how we kind of got connected. But I first saw reports of his detention from a Christian professing Christian white nationalist named Cody Justice. He posted Sam's mugshot and he said this on X. he may claim he isn't black or that if he is, it's not trivial, but it seems that Butler County Jail in the great state of Ohio says otherwise. He's like, oh, he's black, he belongs in jail. That's what they say. And then one person replied, well was he here illegally? And justice said let's hope so. In other words, he doesn't know why he's being detained but he's hoping to get deported. Now why would he say that? Well a few days ago justice posted a speech entitled Blood, Soil and Faith. And in that speech he said, what's an American? An American is first and foremost defined by blood, specifically that Americans by definition are white. This is our first principle. And then last year he talked about how the integrity of American states rests on white supremacy. So this is clearly a white nationalist professing Christian. And if you've been on X the last few days, you've seen many self identified Christian nationalists, as you say, just being extremely just. There's no other word for it, vile posting memes using racial slurs. So that reaction is appalling. And I've spoken all over the country to very conservative Christians, evangelicals who are opposed to critical race theory, who are strongly, you know, have legal only immigration, enforced. Ah, but they are also appalled by this. It's not racially motivated.
Examining Biblical Worldview on Immigration Law, Justice, and National Borders
It's just we want to follow the law and we want a society which treats everyone justly and equally. So this is really an over the top reaction.
Jenna Ellis Yeah. And it's so unfortunate and unbiblical frankly to see the Christian nationalist response to this go to, ah, race. And I've seen a lot of racial slurs as well, you know, saying that he belongs back in Ghana and even his family, his wife Annie who is, we know is an American citizen, and his children as well, that they should be deported, with him because now they are in an interracial marriage which these white supremacists of course abhor and they wrongly say is unbiblical. They reject the truth of the Bible that says there is one race, the human race. And they are attacking Sam say, not because they're supporting specifically border control, border enforcement, but because of his nationality and also his skill, skin color, which I think it's important to distinguish those two issues which have gotten really muddied in this response. And so what is the biblical worldview of how we should approach some of these conversations when we're talking about supporting ice, enforcement equally, regardless whether it's a Christian blogger or it's, you know, someone on the left, regardless of where they're from, whether it's Canada or Ghana or anywhere else. But also recognizing that this has absolutely nothing to do with hating the individual or especially considering, an American only someone who looks or has a heritage in a certain way and actually directing hate toward those who don't.
Neil Shenvi That's a huge question.
Biblical Perspective on Human Race Unity in Christ and Opposition to Critical Race Theory
So let me begin by, for just saying that not all Christian nationalists, even self identified Christian nationalists would, would feel this way. Many of them are equally shocked and horrified by this response. So it's a very vague, broad term. Just clear up who we're talking about. I would say Biblically, you're exactly right. There's one race, the human race. in Acts 17, Paul says from one man, God created all men. And that in Galatians 3:28, there's neither Jew or Greek slave, nor female, male nor female in Christ, that we're all one in Christ. That doesn't mean we literally erase gender or ethnicity, but it just says there's a deeper unifying theme to the Bible, that we share, across lines of race, ethnicity, even gender, which is that we're all made in God's image, we are all fallen into sin. We all need redemption through one Jewish savior, Jesus Christ, one mediator between God and man.
Biblical Principles of Law and Love for Sojourners in the Old Testament
And this is why Sam and I both oppose critical race theory, because it divides us across these lines of color as oppressor and oppressed. And we would say no. The Bible's worldview is that there is this deep fundamental human solidarity. So that's just right off the bat. We've recognized that in terms of, law and immigration law, there are two very, sort of clear streams and most intention in the Old Testament, or they would be seen as today. So one is that God commands his people, the Israelites, to love the ger. This is the, the sojourner. Not an Israelite and not really a foreigner, but sort of permanent or, semi permanent resident in Israel. They're commanded to have one law. So if you were a gayer, a sojourner, you couldn't worship idols. You had to worship, or you'd at least not worship idols. You had to follow all of God's laws. The emphasis is that they followed the same laws as the Israelites. It happens over and over. God says there shall be one law for the sojourner and, the Israelites, not two laws. There were some exceptions for religious rituals because they couldn't participate in Passover. But the emphasis is that there's one law of the land. It's God's law, and everyone follows it. But at the same time, they were to love the ger, not mistreat them, not oppress them. And God actually says, why? Because you were once Ger, that is us sojourners in Egypt. For 400 years, the Israelites were resident aliens in Egypt, where they were enslaved. And God says, you remember that. So you're to love your neighbor as yourself. Interestingly, that same command is given about the sojourners.
God's Respect for Borders and the Importance of Immigration Laws
And Jesus repeats that command in, of course, in Luke's Gospel, that love our neighbors ourselves is the second greatest commandment. So that's one stream. But the other stream also is that God does respect borders. This is sort of surprising. But for example, in Deuteronomy, God m. Moses is recounting how God provided for the Israelites during the conquest of Canaan, the Exodus. But he says, God told you he will not give you a square inch in the land of Moab. That's not your land. That is their land. And when the Israelites traveled across the, land of the Amorites, Moses asked permission of the king, this pagan king. They were going to conquer them. But he said, this is your land. Can we please go across it? We will not turn to the right or the left. We'll go straight across the land. We'll buy the food we eat and the water we drink. And the king of Amorites refused. But it shows that God respects borders. He does not want this expansionist Jewish empire to conquer the world. He says, no, I've given you your land, this is your land. But it's not. He said, take other people's lands. But I think those two things are, true today still, that borders are a good thing, that nations should care for their citizens. Primarily. Not only, but primarily. And we have to have some kind of immigration policy and to share this, I think for progressives, just ask them a question. Say, what would you feel if, say, 5 million Americans just moved illegally to Tanzania to the population of 70 million people? Should Tanzanians just say, that's fine, do whatever you want, you know, we're not going to enforce our law? I think no. Presumably you'd say, yeah, they have concerns that are legitimate, not racist, that they're going to experience incredible, depletion of social services. None of the Americans speak Swahili, which is the national language of Tanzania. So there's going to be problems there. And it's right for Tanzania to say, hey, we have laws. Please respect our laws and please enforce our laws. So by the same token, then we should, as Christians, say it's totally reasonable and not racist to have laws regarding immigration. We can talk about what the best laws are, what laws are just, but then we should have to enforce them because we are a nation of laws.
Ensuring Consistency and Fairness in Immigration Law Enforcement
Jenna Ellis Yeah. So well said. And this is, what I always say on this program for regular listeners, that we have to go by the biblical principles. Those are objective and truthful, and then we build up our policy from there. We can argue and debate the policy about how to best implement those principles and those goals. But we also want to ensure that we are going to, make sure that we build up our policy from there. And in the Samuel Tsay case, some of the Christians who strongly support immigration enforcement are now concerned about how the law is being applied to someone they respect. But we need to ensure that we do have consistency and that if we are a nation of laws, first and foremost, it is biblical. But then also our policy when we, when we actually legislate it is then implemented in the same way, but without being hateful toward the people, which unfortunately are captured under that law. So, Anil Shenvi, I so appreciate, you being on this show.
Book Recommendation: Post Woke by Neil Shenvi
You did write a book that talks about, about asserting a biblical vision of race, gender and sexuality. It's called Post Woke. Get that now. You can follow him on X eelshenvey. We'll be right back with more.
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Jenna Ellis Welcome back. So when we're talking about enforcing a nation's laws and we're talking about principles and then the policy that can be debatable on that, we have to draw a distinction between the principles and the law that are built upon those principles that's enforced hopefully in a just way. And justice should be blind, right?
The Importance of Justice, Religious Freedom, and Speaking Out Against Persecution
Lady Liberty, is very famous for that, wearing that blindfold, you know, over her eyes, saying that I don't look at, in a just society. I don't look at any of the immutable characteristics or issues of faith. You shouldn't be targeted in this country just because you are a Christian. But if and when you are, whether in this country or somewhere else, then Christians should speak out about that. And there's this headline now in the BBC, that more than 60 Christians were killed in an Ethiopia massacre.
Discussion on Christian Persecution Globally and Media Neglect of Such Events
A church official says, so According to the BBC report, more than 60 people have been killed in a series of attacks on Christians in Ethiopia's or, or Maya, I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that right region. According to the country's Orthodox church, One resident whose 75 year old father was killed just so horrific, described it as an ambush. He told BBC, we were completely unprepared and had no prior knowledge. They surrounded us from all four directions. The regional government said it would take action against those responsible. But this kind of headline you don't hear about in the local news. Why? Because, I mean right now, understandably, everyone's focused on midterms. We largely have been on this program as well. But at the same time we don't like to talk in the mainstream media about anything other than ourselves. Right? And as Christians we absolutely should be concerned about other Christians globally. So let's welcome in one of the best people who always reports on Christians globally, Joel, Rosenberg, host of the Rosenberg Report and also editor, in chief at all israel.com and Joel, I know you're coming from us, are to us from Israel today and you posted about this story, which was actually how I heard about it. So thank you because I follow you Listeners should as well. And, and your comment as well was, why aren't more people reporting on this?
Joel Rosenberg Yeah, well, for so many reasons, the mainstream media doesn't really care about Christians. And, because almost no Christian serve in newsrooms across the country. I mean, that's not 100% true, obviously, in Christian media, like, what you guys are doing, Jenna, and what we're doing at all. Israelnews.com you know, we, we have Christians in the newsroom. We were happy to hire people that don't believe like we are, like we do, but we have to help everyone understand we have a perspective. And Christians are under attack all over the world. 60 Christians massacred. M. In Ethiopia. I was just in Ethiopia, recently. And so this is just horrific.
The Urgency of Christian Engagement in Civil and Political Processes
Christians, slaughtered in, the Kingdomnomics of Jordan, just across the river from where I am in Jerusalem. radical, Islamist terrorists stormed into a Greek Orthodox church while there was a funeral going on, opened fire three terrorists, murdered nine Jordanian Christians, wounded almost 60 more. and obviously Jews and Christians have been under attack here in Israel for three years. So, look, the mainstream media doesn't get it. That's why you have this show. That's why American Family Radio exists. That's why All Israel News exists, among others. Tbn, my show on, tbn, the Rosenberg Report, is the leading Christian, most watched Christian television network in the United States. Why? Because people are looking for truth and they're looking for a balanced, perspective from a biblical worldview. And that's more urgent than ever.
Jenna Ellis Absolutely. And yeah, and we can't forget that while there are of course, headlines and most of the time we cover, rightly so, you know, the headlines that are here in the United States, we can't forget that these, these other headlines and the events and especially the horrific nature of Christian persecution is happening across the globe. And in a large part, looking at, at what's happening to Christians in other countries should motivate us to engage in our civil process here in the United States. even more so that we never get to the type of environment that other countries have when the government is the one persecuting Christians.
Call to Action: Christians Must Vote to Protect Values and Religious Freedom
And we've seen that, I never thought I would see that in my lifetime, as much as the Biden administration specifically targeted Christians. But that's why laws matter. A legitimate government matters, and engaging in our civil process matters. And, so for the Christians who are considering, you know, staying at home because they're you know, frustrated at this, that or the other thing. my, my plea would be please, while you still have time, get out to the polls and vote all the way down ticket for the best candidate possible and for the best, issue resolution if there's issues on the ballot as possible. Exercising your civic responsibility as a Christian, Joel?
Joel Rosenberg Absolutely, Jenna. And it's not just a civic responsibility, it's a God given right to vote. Now, not all Christians in all places at all times over the last 2000 years have had the opportunity to vote, but Americans do. Linne and I, literally got on a phone, on a plane 10 days ago and we flew to the United States. Yes, we had meetings in Washington and Florida that we needed to do and a, church to preach at. But we went and we accepted those invitations in part because we wanted to be in the United States to vote and we went to our local polling place in Virginia to vote early. And we're grateful for that because look, almost half of Christians didn't vote in the last election. When you think of, okay, so if you really believe in Jesus and you really believe in the Bible, then, and you believe in Judeo, Christian, biblical, values and principles from Genesis to Revelation, then the question is why not get up and bring your family and friends from church and go vote to make sure that at least you've done your part? You say, well, my vote doesn't matter. Well, it doesn't matter if you don't vote.
Consequences of Not Voting: Erosion of Christian Values and Religious Freedom
That's 100% true. But it matters if you do vote. And if you don't vote, then can you really complain that the people are elected who hate Christ, don't believe in religious freedom, want to murder babies all nine months, including after they're born, that they believe in, celebrating, sin, that they support having men go into women's lockers rooms, men competing in women's sports and you know, the list goes on and on. Also, people who hate the Jews, hate Israel, want to blow up the U. S. Israel strategic alliance. Look, these are the folks that are on the ballot and if you don't take your stand, then you certainly can't complain later that oh my gosh, all the things I care about are being washed away.
Israel's High Voter Turnout: An Example of Civic Engagement and Valuing Voice
So get out there and vote. Vote early. I, won't say vote often, but I would give the example of Israel. We just had elections on Tuesday. 77.7% of Israelis who are eligible voted in this election. This is a historic number for Israel in the last eight decades of modern Israeli civilization. almost 80% of Israelis turning out to the polls. And we had people flying from all over the world, Jews who are Israeli citizens coming back to vote because we don't have absentee balloting. And I just say that that's an incredible example. It's way higher than in the United States.
Worldview Differences in Governance: Trump Administration vs. Biden Administration on Religious Freedom
but it shows people care. And when they care and they want their voice heard, they don't tell themselves, oh, I'm just one person. They say, no, I'm a person. I have agency. God has given me the right to vote. I'm going to make my perspective clear.
Jenna Ellis Yes. Ah, absolutely. And, it's great to see that there was such a phenomenal turnout, even though, perhaps the results in Israel wasn't, what a lot of us expected. And I want to get your commentary on that in a moment. But first, I did want to mention, though, when we're talking about how elections have consequences to be engaged, and even if you, know, the current administration, for example, isn't doing as much on every policy issue as we would prefer, and certainly, you know, there are things that, that I've critiqued or I've said they should be doing more. There are things we applaud and we should, as Christians, you have to stand back, though, and say, okay, the difference in a Donald Trump administration in a second term versus what would have happened in a Kamala Harris administration are just night and day different. And this always comes down to a worldview question. And it was very, A very stark example yesterday with the State Department on X, for example, excuse me. That posted, this on X with a video, but the captions.
Celebrating Christian Heritage and Religious Freedom in the United States
And you should watch the video. it said, America, more than any other nation in world history, was shaped by the Christian tradition of spreading the gospel unto all nations. Join us in celebrating International Religious Freedom Day. And that came from our official State Department account, which, of course is headed up by Marco Rubio. And the left, including, Senator Anthony Weiner, is, you know, going off on this, going, well, what about religious freedom? And everybody's responding to him going, well, yeah. And the reason we have religious freedom in this country is because we're a Christian nation and because of the values that our founders, cared to embed in our U.S. constitution. And, you know, my response is, well, if you don't like it, move it. Move somewhere else. But we're going to continue to preserve our, our Christian heritage in this country. But, but I love the fact that our state Department and across the Trump administration, even the White House. You, you know, everyone is not afraid to post things like this. And that has been a really amazing, I think, effort by the Trump administration to bring in a lot of Christians and to ensure that, that we aren't silent or we're not compelled or having this, you know, chilling effect just because of the leftists, you know, screeching over it. There's actually encouragement from the Trump administration for Christians to reclaim and re. Proclaim our founding.
Marco Rubio's Background and Advocacy for Religious Freedom
And I think it's amazing.
Joel Rosenberg It is amazing. And I want to say how much I'm, how grateful I am, that Marco Rubio is the Secretary of State of the United States. He, He's a personal friend and I got to know him. I don't get, you know, I don't talk to him these days. He's a pretty busy guy with a lot of assignments on his, on his plate. But, but he's a devout Christian. he loves the Lord. he's the son of Cuban immigrants who came here from a communist country. And he knows the. He understands his birthright. That his birthright was. He was born in the United States in a free society. He grew up in a Catholic, family, and appreciates his Roman Catholic, Catholic roots. But he became an Evangelical Christian. He had the freedom to explore, to read the Bible, to ask questions. This is the choice he made. And he understands the value of religious freedom. He's not saying that every, you know, as the Secretary of State, he's not saying that everybody has to be Christian. He's not saying that everybody in the country is Christian or that Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or atheists can't practice their faith or, lack thereof.
Contrasting State Department's Celebration of Christian Roots with Biden Administration's Policies
What he's saying is we can celebrate the fact that our, that the United States is the greatest beacon of freedom, of individual freedom and religious freedom in the world. We set the example. We're not perfect, but we work on correcting our mistakes. And it was the Biden White, House and the Biden administration and, and Secretary of State, ah, Tony Blinken. They were putting up the, the gay pride flag, over embassies all over the US Embassies all over the world and of course, the White House and elsewhere. they believed in celebrating, something that God, you know, is clear that he opposes. but they felt fine that they had the freedom to celebrate this. Now. They did have that freedom. I just totally disagree.
Trump Administration's Support for Christians and Religious Freedom vs. Biden Administration
And I think that, for the screeching of the Left and former Biden administration officials screeching and screaming and convetching that, Marco Rubio is celebrating, ah, our Christian roots. Like, that's just unbelievably hypocritical. but also it shows the, you know, that people make policy and you have to vote people in. And I know you and I have talked about how many Christians have been troubled by things that President Trump has said or done. You and I get that, and we've been clear and honest. However, that being said, you don't have to think that Trump is a perfect person. You don't even have to necessarily like him, but you have to look at what he's doing. He's promoting people into power, into authority, that love Christ and celebrate Christianity and defend religious freedom and protect Christians who've been under assault and protect our allies like Israel and Ukraine and others. And I think this is important, what Trump has done. And it doesn't mean I have to agree with every single statement or even every single tweet.
Voting for Values: Why Christians Should Support Trump Over Biden
I don't. But I really. But the question is, overall, did I get more for my values and biblical principles by voting for President Trump than when, you know, than if I had voted, you know, God forbid, for Joe Biden? And the answer is 100% yes. and I think that's important for Christians to realize. Don't sit home over the next few days. I would vote early if you can, just to avoid the lines, but. But at least turn out on Tuesday. Don't let the values, that are antithetical to the Bible, antithetical to you as a Christian. Don't let those values dominate your district, your state, and, ultimately the country, because you thought your voice didn't matter.
The Importance of Voting and Preserving God-Given Rights
It's not true. God didn't say your voice doesn't matter. He said, I made you. I knit you together in your mother's womb. You were fearfully and wonderfully made. And if he's given you the opportunity to have your voice heard in a democracy, you know, don't disregard your birthright.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, absolutely. And this is something that we have to take seriously. We can look at the past, even just a couple of elections, and say, you know, this could have turned out so differently. And I'm thankful that we have people like Marco Rubio.
Looking Ahead: Ensuring Future Leaders Uphold Christian Values
I'm thankful that, you know, here in Florida, we still, for at least another couple months, have the Governor Desantis. We need to make sure that the people who come into office following are just as solid of Christians, and we can do the best that we can with our vote. And I do want to talk about, the Israel elections. And so Joel Rosenberg is going to stay with us through the break. And we will be right back with more.
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Israel's Election Results: Allegations of Foreign Interference and Netanyahu's Claims
Jenna Ellis welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis And our good friend Joel Rosenberg, host of the Rosenberg Report and editor in chief@all israel.com is still with us. And he comes, to us from Jerusalem and where Israel, is now awaiting final election results as a client claim of foreign interference from Benjamin Netanyahu emerges. he posted on X a pretty lengthy, post yesterday. It started by saying the elections in the state of Israel were stolen by Arab parties that support terrorism and the elimination of the Jewish state through serious criminal offenses of bribery, threats, violence, forgeries, and the use of prohibited software to mobilize voters. And so he's demanding from the Central Elections Committee an immediate response to investigate these criminal, offenses that have severely damaged the integrity of the elections in Israel and the election results. So that's part of his statement. but, Joel, I'm a little bit confused, honestly, because obviously the Israel elections operate very differently, in their government system, very differently than here in the United States. And, reports have suggested that, Netanyahu does have a majority, but maybe not a majority enough to form a government.
Analyzing Israel's Election Results: Arab Party Gains and Potential Coalition Challenges
So what exactly is going on here?
Joel Rosenberg Well, Jenna, it's complicated right so let's take, we'll try to break things down into a few simple points, and then you can zoom in on any one of those that you want. First, on this election, interference, that's a very serious charge. I can't say that it's true, but, you know, if the Prime Minister is making that charge, you got to listen to it carefully. The idea is that Qatar, the tiny Gulf Islamist nation, and Turkey may have been, providing, illegal assistance and thus interference in the, Islamist, anti Zionist Arab parties here in Israel. Overall, the Arab parties gained, 19 seats. That is a record. The Arab parties have never gained that many seats. now one of those parties is, sort of a moderate Arab party that has a Jewish former IDF general as the number two and is trying to become more mainstream, to become part of the Israeli society. The others are a mixture of communist and sort of radical Islamist, parties.
Netanyahu's Performance in Israel's Election and His Response to Perceived Interference
But they're citizens of Israel, so they have the right to vote, but they don't have the right to have Turkey and Qatar provide a legal assistance to them. So I can't say that that's true. I'm just saying that that's what the Prime Minister is saying. so that should be investigated, number one. Number two, why is Netanyahu talking about a stolen election? Well, because his party did very, very badly. Now, it did it. Netanyahu and his party and his coalition did not get washed out to sea. There was a, There was a real fear over the last, year or two by, the Netanyahu team that there would be a tsunami against him because of his, you know, because he allowed a catastrophic failure and disaster on October 7, 2023. However, other people said, you know, yes, Netanyahu didn't do a good job that day. That was horrible. But ever since, right. He's been in the lead in helping to destroy, the Iran threat, the Hezbollah threat in Lebanon, and the Hamas threat in Gaza. Are those jobs all done? No. But has he accomplished more than any prime minister in the history of Israel and working very closely with President Trump and the U.S. military? Yes. So shouldn't he be rewarded for that? Well, his supporters would say absolutely. So that's number two.
Coalition Dynamics in Israel: Netanyahu's Seats vs. Opposition's Performance
So now Netanyahu, at the moment, he and his coalition, literally sitting in the parliament right now, have 68 seats out of the 120 seats in the Parliament. Okay. But as of the elections, they now have 53 seats. Okay, so. So that those seats haven't been taken yet. So Netanyahu still technically has 58. I'm, sorry, 68, but they dropped to 53. That's pretty bad. That's why you're hearing the, you know, the, the calls of a stolen election. But was it really stolen? Or did many Israelis think, I don't like the job that Netanyahu has done for this reason, that reason, the other reason. We can get into those reasons if you want. October 7th was one of those, but certainly not the only one. Now the third point is that the opposition did much more poorly here than you would think. if you look at this.
The Deadlock in Israeli Politics and the Call for a National Unity Government
So Gotti Eisenkot is a former IDF chief of staff. He's not a left winger, he's a right winger who Netanyahu appointed to be the head of the idf, the Israeli military, several years ago. But they had a falling out. Gotti Eisenhower is now the head of the opposition. But Eisenhower was expected to win outright, he and his and his coalition partners and win 61 seats or more. They did not. They only won 48 seats. So they did much more poorly than, than anyone was anticipating. And so there is a deadlock right now. And I would say quickly, the fourth point is, we are either going back to another round of elections next, you know, early next year, March, April, or I think what would be far preferable is that Netanyahu, Eisenhower and some of the other parties form a national unity government, to say, look, we don't agree on a number of things. True. But we have to face Iran. We have to finish that off. We have to work with the Americans on that. And we have other issues, economic and foreign policy and domestic policy that can't wait.
Israel's First Full Term Election and the Need for Compromise
And we don't want to divide our society more.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, and a lot to follow up on there. But, you mentioned that, this election wasn't entirely a referendum on Netanyahu's leadership, since October 7th, although this was Israel's first national election since the Hamas attacks. is that, was this on schedule or has this been, you know, pushed out? And why this election now?
Analyzing the Israeli Election Results: Netanyahu's Performance and Coalition Challenges
Joel Rosenberg The election happened, on Tuesday because, it, it was legally due after four years. It's actually the first time that Israel has gone a full four year term, with a government in place, without it falling early and going to early elections. You'll recall, Jenna, that a few years ago Israel had five elections in two years. It just couldn't put together a government and we just kept going to elections over and over and over again. That was really expensive, exhausting and super frustrating.
Jenna Ellis I cannot imagine having Five presidential elections here in two years. I think our society would totally collapse. But, so what happens next, though, in terms of who has the advantage in potential coalition negotiations? Because as you mentioned, neither Netanyahu or Eisencot appears to have the 61 seats necessary to form a government.
Joel Rosenberg Right. so let me just go back to one point you made earlier. Just, just a moment earlier. I believe that this election was a referendum on Netanyahu. And as I say, from that perspective, Netanyahu and his allies did very poorly. Okay.
Coalition Building in Israel: The Math and the Challenges for Netanyahu and Eisenkot
They dropped from 68 to 53. That's pretty bad, right? A 15 point drop. A 15 seat drop. However, Netanyahu's party is still the largest in the country, and that's why he's feeling m more confident. He right now seems to have 26, seats. The votes are final. Votes are still being counted, but he seems to have 26 seats himself. His party, Likud, whereas the next biggest party, Ghaidi Eisenhut, his Yashar party, has only 21. So, you know, it's not like Netanyahu. The bottom dropped out, but not as badly as people thought. So that's the first thing. But related is there is no way for either side to, make a coalition, that is a mainstream, coalition made up of Israelis who care about the country. And what I mean by that is Eisen caught. If he went with all the Arab parties, 19 seats, he could take his 48, add 19. Right. He would be well over 60, close to 70 with that group. But a group, you know, a big portion of that, 12 of those 19 seeds on the Arab side are communists and radical Islamists. So, no Israeli Jewish Zionist is going to make a national government with communists and radical Islamists. You might make a government with that moderate Arab party called Ra' am, which is seven seats. But even seven added to Eisenhower's 48, meaning Eisenhower and his colleagues, that doesn't get you there. So that's the deadlock. So President Bougie Isaac Herzog, that's his name, Herzog. It's his responsibility starting next week to bring each leader in, sit down with them and say, okay, what do you want? What do you, what compromise are you willing to, I mean, make?
The Need for Compromise and Unity in Israeli Politics Amidst Coalition Deadlock
Are we really going to have to go back to national elections or create some of the bigger, more mainstream parties? Just join together. You could easily put together, Jenna, a group of 70, 72, 75 seats and get going on national issues, and keep the extremists on Both sides, the right and the left, far right and far left. You can keep them out, no problem. But people who don't like each other would have to compromise and form that government. That's certainly what I hope. That's what I'm praying for. But I certainly, I'm not a betting man anyway, but I'm not ready to. Even if I was, I wouldn't put money on it.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, but, you know, it would seem that there could be some ego set aside and say, okay, we'd rather work with, you know, the Zionists altogether rather than, having a government dependent on Arab led parties.
Distinguishing Arab Parties from Ideological Extremism in Israeli Coalition Building
I mean, I hope here in the United States we don't have, you know, the the socialist, Islamist sort of, ah, parties in control ever here. That's kind of what we're, facing in the midterms and perhaps beyond in certain seats at least. but a government.
Joel Rosenberg If you don't mind, let me just interject. You know, it's not about being Arab. Okay. I want to be very clear about that. Israel, I mean, some Israelis are racist, unfortunately, as, in every site. But that the issue of being Arab is not the issue in, in this coalition building. It's that some people are communist and radical Islamists and think that the IDF is.
Jenna Ellis It's the world view 100%. It's the worldview. I mean, just like, you know, we don't, we don't oppose Democrats because. Yeah, because we hate them. It's the, it's the worldview that we say, we don't want your socialist communist policies to be, integrated into our US Government system.
The Impossibility of Alliances with Extremist Parties in Israeli Politics
So. Yeah, absolutely.
Joel Rosenberg Imagine if you, if you had to build an alliance, a coalition with, 12 Abdul El Sayed. you wouldn't do it. Nobody would ever do. Well,
Jenna Ellis Hakeem Jeffries might,
Joel Rosenberg but,
Jenna Ellis but, you know, yeah,
Joel Rosenberg okay.
Jenna Ellis It's,
Joel Rosenberg I mean, Republicans wouldn't. My point
Jenna Ellis exactly.
Joel Rosenberg Who is not going to make an alliance with him? And Eisenhower, I don't think is going to do it either. Right. So if you look at the straight math, you'd say, oh, the opposition 167, and the Netanyahu government, 153. Well, there you go. No, not there you go.
The Case for Compromise and Unity Government in Israel
12 of those 67 are Abdul El Sayed. So you're definitely not going to go that direction. That's why I think it's not that the country wants a national unit government, but they do. They would prefer the two sides work together. They, the nation didn't give one side or the other a Decisive win. And I think that shows, okay, so compromise and, figure out how to lead the society in a healthy way and try to create more unity rather than more division.
Jenna Ellis Yeah. Because, I mean, if they are having to work together, at least, hopefully their goals on some of these national security decisions involving Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah, you know, would be consistent instead of having to rely on some of these other parties that would likely, make those types of national security decisions, including a lot of other things, a lot more difficult.
Joel Rosenberg Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I would ask, Christians listening, to your program, to pray that Israel can find a way, Israel's leaders, to a national unity government.
Praying for a National Unity Government in Israel Amidst National Security Challenges
Their issues far too big and far too dangerous, and far too urgent to sort of wallow, in division. It's just not time for that. And there are extremists on both the far left in Israel and the far right. But there's plenty of seats to create a solid, stable working majority in the 70s, 72, 75 seats if the center right, and the right and the center even slightly center left work together. This country is mostly a right wing country and center right country, it was founded by leftists, socialists, but the country has moved to free markets and they moved to strong security.
Understanding Israel's Political Spectrum: From Moderate to Strong Conservative
They moved to the right wing. Here it's like an entire nation almost of Republicans, but there's a wide, you know, swath of Republicans. There's Ted Cruz on the strong right, you'd say of the conservative in Republicans. And then there's Susan Collins. Susan Collins in Maine is a moderate, but you want her in the Republican Party just like you want Ted Cruz so that it doesn't go into the hands of the other side.
Netanyahu's Strengths, Weaknesses, and the Call for a Unity Coalition
And that's really what we're talking about. It's a country of, between Susan Collins and Ted Cruz. and that's not a bad place to live. it's, but, but there has to be unity. And a large part of this right now is Netanyahu. Netanyahu has so many strengths and he has so many successes. He's late in the game. He's 77 years old. He's been Prime Minister 19 of the last 30 years. He has tremendous experience, but he does have some flaws.
The Importance of Compromise and Unity in Israeli Politics
He has, he's made some serious mistakes. And I think right now his legacy would be really well, suited to reach out and build a unity coalition. And I think Eisenhower, who built his entire political career on, I mean of late on removing Netanyahu. Well, the country doesn't want to remove Netanyahu if it did, Eisenhower would have all the votes he needed. So this is why compromise is critical
Jenna Ellis and why majorities matter. Absolutely. And, that's a lesson for us and to learn as well. And President Trump endorsed Netanyahu during the campaign. The AP reported also that Trump, subsequently said he'd consider helping Netanyahu form a government.
Final Thoughts: Praying for Israel and President Trump's Endorsement of Netanyahu
So we'll see what happens in the coming days. We do need to pray for Israel. Joel Rosenberg, thanks so much as always. You can reach me and my team. Jenna fr.net.
Jenna Ellis examines the detention of Christian commentator Samuel Say, separating the publicly known immigration facts from speculation and asking how Christians can support his family while still affirming the consistent enforcement of immigration law. Christian apologist Neil Shenvi joins the conversation to condemn the racist abuse directed at Say and his family, and to discuss a biblical approach to human dignity, borders, lawful immigration and care for sojourners. Later, Joel Rosenberg discusses the persecution of Christians around the world, the importance of civic participation and religious freedom, and the uncertain results of Israel’s election. He explains the challenges facing coalition negotiations and why a broad unity government may be crucial as Israel confronts serious security threats. The conversation calls listeners to apply biblical principles consistently, reject hatred, stay informed and pray for Israel.
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