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Jenna Ellis Good morning. It is Monday, October, 26th, and we are just about one week away from the midterms. Of course, that's all that anyone is talking about, including President Trump, who, interestingly, according to some commentary by a daily wire, he's involving himself in the midterms in a way that he doesn't necessarily have to. obviously he doesn't personally have another election left, but he has been, traversing the country doing rallies and asking people to vote and which I think is, is actually a good thing. He shouldn't just sit it out. And neither should we, by the way. But, then there's been a lot of commentary about whether this will be a blue wave or maybe just a tiny blue mist, as some projections of course, are suggesting that Democrats will, have a huge sweep and others saying, well, they'll probably take the House by a pretty small margin, the Senate will be tied, and we'll kind where the rest of the state elections and local elections fall. but let's welcome M in Rich Barris, who's the people's pundit. You can follow him on X. And, also the director of Big Data Poll. And Rich, I'm glad to have you on again, so close to the midterms because the podcast that we did together, by the way, everyone should listen to that. It's on on demand, @afr.net you can listen to that, called Burn it down, which is also the title of Rich's new book, what the Polls say Young Americans Really Want. that has been incredibly popular for listeners to actually understand what young Voters are thinking, so a week out from the midterms, where do you think we stand?
Rich Baris Hey, Jenna, thanks for having me back on. I appreciate it. Good morning. So we're going to do our final, we are actually right now in the field doing our final polling. It's a, you know, it's a tough environment for Republicans. It is. And I would say this, they can absolutely blunt how bad this will be if they simply vote. And I mean, I know it sounds silly and it sounds oversimplified, but that's really what it comes down to. They have the numbers to stop a lot of these flips, Janet. They do. They just have to get them out. And, you know, I always caution people not to read too much into the early vote every year because this just isn't a solid baseline vote. Behavior changes. The method by which people vote, it changes based on what the party, you know, wants them to do. It's learn behavior. And Democrats definitely shifted away from mail and ballot this time and more into in person early. And it does look like from, both the early vote data and what the polling is telling us is that they will vote more, towards election day, even on election day, than we have seen them in the past. And they've done a good job getting low propensity voters out. We can do the same. You could see the right do the same as, and this is very typical for Republicans, they, they're not usually the first to vote. They, did very good at it in 24, but that was almost not, it was really atypical of them. So the numbers are there in a lot of these states. I really would stress that. But they have to get, they have to get them out. And I'd like to see them do that more early, rather than wait for election day. It would make me more comfortable.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, Yeah, I agree 100%. So how, how successful and persuasive do you think that President Trump's rallies are in some of these specific elections?
Rich Baris Yeah, he gets the base out. you know, the question is, you know, it's not a question. We know the base after every election is a base election. And you hear, you know, pundits and pollsters, always talk about winning the middle. And that's of course true. But if you don't get your base out, then you don't get your. And this is the thing people need to realize. There aren't that many true independents. You're really talking about mid to high single digits of people who are truly independent in this country. Even Independents lean one way or the other. And what we see is if the base isn't used to get out of the base isn't excited, then their middle isn't excited. You know, there's that independent leaning right wing voter leaning left wing vote. so it is important to excite the base and get them out. He's, he definitely does that better than anybody. I even know in North Carolina where the numbers were looking very grim, I mean just to be very clear, the numbers were looking bad and they're still not great. But when the President came here, even the Vice President, we definitely did see later participation pick up where we, where Republicans really needed to see that happen. the first district, the numbers got better without a doubt. He came to Greenville. And Lori Buckow faces Don Davis here. Don, Davis is technically the incumbent, but the district was redrawn. Republicans really should not be struggling with this district, but it's understandable they are. And the President came out here and the numbers got better. He didn't go to Greg Murphy's district in the third, which is technically supposed to be the safer seed. He's, he's an incumbent himself. and the numbers are worse for him there. So we could go around the map and we could literally say the President went here and the vote went up. but again I heard you as I was waiting, you know, you didn't have to get involved. But he does. And Republicans are going to have to figure out what are you going to do when Donald Trump's not there for you anymore? Because that will happen someday. And they really need to start thinking less about television ads for consultants and more for ground game. Janet. They do because I can look around the map and I can literally see where TPUSA is and they're getting low prop voters out more, versus where the party just thought let me bombard the airwaves with millions m upon millions of dollars. You know that doesn't persuade people to get out and vote. It does to some extent, but it's actually one of the least effective. You need air cover, but you need get out the vote infrastructure. And Republicans have to start thinking about that now. Even though the election's around the corner.
Jenna Ellis Yeah.
Rich Baris And we have to turn to very soon.
Jenna Ellis I saw your your post on X Just about 15 minutes ago, Rich, that was talking about this saying if I told you the percentage of voters who won, say television ads influenced them to vote and two persuaded them to vote compared to other outreach methods. We know the GOP abandone vomit the amount of money, making consultants rich, but influencing nobody is a crime. And I totally agree with you on this. and it's, it's amazing. I've always said that consultants are the people who have no marketable skill sets in the real world. So they just decide to become consultants because they're not running themselves, but they decide that they can influence the candidates and, and they don't do anything, but they're paid so highly. So, you know, where should the GOP be putting some of their efforts instead of some of these things on television?
Rich Baris Yeah, and I just want to agree with that before you preface the answer with. I mean that is completely true for listeners out there. And some of these guys, you're talking about a handful of them, made generational wealth folks off of the amount of money that has been spent on TV ads and online ads. And again, people will see this data soon. I just peeked at it this morning from the collection over the weekend and we're asking people and it's, it's awful what does get people out. And of course it's the modern era, so texting certainly isn't, it does cause engagement. But the right, and we know this from the research we did in 24, which worked and we put into practice the right is definitely different than the left. They don't view politics as their religion. And you know this, I mean, your faith's important to you. It's we, we have other things in our heart and in our lives and we don't take to the same way a left wing voter would to some stranger showing up on the door and telling us about how, you know, we need to dedicate or surround our, you know, chasing this issue or putting this issue on a pedestal. We are much more influenced by the people around us in our orbit, who we know and we're intimately familiar with. And I mean, without getting too much into the weeds, that kind of get out the vote that really stresses outreach to people you have personal relationships with, family, coworkers, neighbors. We know that works. One of the groups that did it phenomenally well in 2024 was, a group called 10x votes. And they made fun of them. CNN, all of these media outlets said this is ridiculous. They're targeting low prop voters by going through, you know, your cousin or you're this. It worked. And Trump actually carried Michigan, by healthier margin than he carried Wisconsin where there was no get out the vote. And that turned out to be very close. Actually. Wisconsin had voted more for Trump in the prior Elections. and that. That is the reason. So, I mean, door knocking, yes, absolutely. Still works.
Rich Baris I don't want to give too much away before we release it. But you guys will see the difference between how much did it persuade you when someone came to the door and you felt like, you know, you had. You shared something in common with this person? It's leaps and bounds. And just, you know what? I will give this away to give away. How persuasive. Suasive. At this point, the TVS there spend hundreds of millions of dollars on it. Be almost $1 billion spent this election cycle. You're talking about low single digits. It's absolutely disgusting. You need air cover so people know who you are, and you hit them from multiple, you know, multiple angles and you remind them. You get your name id, but it doesn't persuade them to say, okay, maybe I'm a little disaffected. I'll go out and vote. If someone knocks on your door and they say, I know you're unhappy with Trump, but don't you remember what it was like when the left was in charge and you have a conversation? They are much more likely to say, okay, I'll do it. It's leaps and bounds.
Jenna Ellis Yeah. Ah. And that just makes sense when we're in a world that there is just such constant noise. I mean, even when I have, you know, the TV on in the background, when I'm like, you know, washing the dishes in my kitchen or whatever, it's like I tune out even the programming sometimes. Like, you know, even some of the stuff that I, you know, turned on to watch, I'll tune it out. I tune out text messages, especially some of these, you know, robo ones. And I think because some, it's. It's just so impersonal. And a lot of these ads and things were just so overwhelmed with, especially during election season. But everything from, you know, the targeted Instagram and text ads from, like, all these different companies to buy the latest thing. It feels like a lot of these ads for candidates come across, frankly the same way. And, and I can just from my own kind of, you know, anecdotal perspective, then you have the personal touch where a lot of my friends and family will text me and say, hey, you know, who are you voting for? Or what do you think about this issue? And when we have that conversation, obviously they've reached out, so they're wanting to be persuaded. But even when I talk and bring it up to some of my neighbors or, you know, some of, some of my Friends, when we have that conversation, then you can actually know what they're thinking. And this is why I think that churches are missing a really huge opportunity in this election because if they would at least encourage their congregations to vote their values. I mean, obviously they don't have to say a, specific candidate's name, but we all know where the two parties stand in terms of their values. And especially for evangelicals and for, you know, a large swath of the Republican base, it's about voting for the best vision of America. It's about saying, okay, what values do we want to underpin our policy? And, and I think that if churches would be doing that more, we would see a huge increase in Republican turnout as well.
Rich Baris I'm not in text, maybe you didn't watch it, but, Tellarico had this ask me anything event. And during this event, he had a Catholic scholar come, up and it was a woman, and she sat down and she said, you know, she was trying. The whole purpose is you bring up an issue and he tries to convince you why he's right on this issue and obviously trying to earn your support. And the first thing she brought up, abortion and her biblical values or Catholic faith. And the first thing out of his mouth was, textbook Democrat on this issue, says, of course, you know, the Bible is silent on abortion. And then he launches into this five minute interview, you know, five minute answer. And at the very end, she just looks at him and she says, well, it's really not thou shalt not kill. You know, like that was it. And it was such a huge moment. I, you're right. I don't know why we still, to this point, there are a lot of even evangelical churches, because sometimes when I'm traveling, I'm not at my home church. And I'll just tell people, obviously I consider myself an evangelical, and I'll look for somewhere else to go if I'm, if I'm out and about. So I do visit a lot of different churches, and it's amazing to me how many almost feel like they have to be silent on this issue on all these, you know, they should be respectful of each other, of course, but you should look to me. I know when I go into inner city churches and I go around, you know, Democratic churches, they are quite open about what they want their congregation to do. So the right is at a disadvantage. And while we hear about the evangelical base on the right, and it's often very influential during caucuses and primaries, when we're talking about the presidential nominations, outside of that. They're actually a lot less politically active, in my opinion, than I see from left wing churches or, you know, progressive churches, whatever, however you want to label them. But they're open, they're unafraid. And I think the right leaves a lot on the table. I mean, I just. It was a stunner to me because I know when I'm polling Texas and I can see the numbers by face, and it's a stunner to me that everyone wouldn't know, you know, who does and who doesn't. You know, regardless of whether you think, what do you think about the person's character, what they're going to advance in the country that ultimately will influence the lives of not only you later on in your life, but your children and your grandchildren. And the right does not do a good enough job making that picture crystal clear. It doesn't.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, yeah. And it's really disappointing, frankly, but also, you know, shocking to me that the right does leave so much on the table. I completely agree with that assessment, especially when it comes to, you know, some of the biggest gatherings of the week are at churches. And so it's such a prime, obvious audience to, to, encourage people to actually go live out their faith. And one of those things is stewardship of their vote and their civic responsibility. I mean, it just falls right into line with everything else that churches are teaching anyway. And yet we see that somehow there's still this perception on the right, generally among, you know, the greater evangelical swath, that somehow politics is too dirty to mess with, or, you know, they're too concerned that they might get too political and turn off people from the pulpit. And yet you have, as you said, I mean, all of these people on the left that, aren't really adhering to any biblical values whatsoever, obviously, like the James Talarico, response that you just mentioned, which is just so clear, and yet they're willing to say that engagement in politics is important because of their values. I mean, that's, that's what this boils down to. And I think the right has to do a better job of not just persuading people to get out and vote because you love Trump or because, you know, this personality is running for office, or because, you know, you personally prefer this particular candidate, but actually tying it to values and world changing in a way that I think the left, unfortunately does better. And I disagree with their worldview completely, obviously the liberal progressives, but they actually, and I've said this on the program quite a bit they actually want to be world changers. And so tying in kind of what we talked about, on the podcast and what your book talks about with, it's called Burn It Down. You should order it, now, by the way, for listeners. Really great book. What the Polls Say Young Americans Really Want. I mean, none of this is suggesting that they're voting for these candidates just because they love the personality. I mean, that has maybe been true for Trump, and it was true for Reagan, but other than, you know, Donald Trump, it's not going to be true for anybody else. These are people who have values. Everybody has values. And so, you know, where do you think in the last week the GOP really needs to. To focus and even beyond the midterms, to tie in their candidates better to the overall strategy and mission? Because a lot of these, even the ads that I've seen, aren't messaging that way. I mean, everything is basically just about, I'm Trump endorsed, and that's like, that's where they leave it. And I don't think that's enough.
Rich Baris It's not. And, you know, personally, I love the president. I'll just say this because people tend to confuse my analysis with my personal opinions. he knows I love him. I love the guy as a guy, but it is what it is, Janet. He's at 36% right now in our national poll, which is going to be our final poll. I hope it ends higher. But all weekend, he tracked at 36%. Even if you gin up, every one of those people, you're still not there. You're just not enough. It's not enough. I really wish they didn't. How can I put this? I really wish they didn't try to recast the. You can shape a narrative, but you can't reshape reality. And the lack of empathy towards people's personal suffering at this, this point, economic and otherwise, really did a lot of damage, and I would have liked to see them. And you could still do it, because there are a lot of people out there. And the NewSong York Times had an article on this yesterday with their polling and district polling. I totally agree with it. The undecided and unwilling to vote voter is a Trump voter, mostly, right? Not all of you, of course, but mostly it's largely Trump voters that are just upset right now. So it's okay to tell them that, you know, you didn't do everything that they wanted you to do, or that maybe even you didn't do good enough. I hate to say it, guys, but Barack Obama did this, and he did it in the final closing days of his reelection campaign really, really beautifully. He basically said, I know we didn't do enough, but stick with me. I'm still prioritizing you. Let's keep moving forward. And he used that narrative. He had one word, just to encompass it all forward. And that's how Americans like to think. They don't want to talk about backwards stuff. They don't want to look in the past. The only reason why it worked for Trump in 2024 is because people were mad. They were lied to about Biden and they were told the adults were coming back in the room. So it was a very easy AP comparison. And it worked for Trump. He was actually saying, we're going to move forward by fixing the mistake of the past. And that worked. It was very rare, and it was, an exception to the rule. I would like them to see them have a little bit of empathy. And still, I would like to see them do that, because they're not. When I look around at the early vote data and the book, again, thank you for mentioning it, obviously the young. The coalition in 24 was much younger than anything we've seen in a, Republican coalition. We can see it in the early vote. They're just drumming us with young, lower propensity voters. And why? Because those voters in NewSong York Times are highlighting that they're right. They are basically sitting around disaffected, saying, I don't know if they still care about me. I don't know if this was all like a scam, a grip. I mean, there's no other way to put it. And this isn't the direction I wanted to see the administration go in. It's okay to say, you know what? We hear you, and we're going to do better in the future, and we understand your suffering. You know, affordability is not a hoax. Right? I mean, that. That was the way to go. I don't know what else to tell people. I mean, it's not everyone's shared experience that they have a home that's appreciating in value. And there are a lot of people out there that are really worrying that the American dream is just not attainable for them. They needed to have a little bit of empathy. Nothing wrong with that. Take a cue from Bill Clinton.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's so true. And, Rich Barris is going to stick with us through the break. We're talking about the midterms, where the GOP is, and projections, all of that you can follow him on X and also get, his brand new book as well, which is Burn it down, what the Polls Say Young Americans Really Want. And we will be right back with more. Hi, I'm Jenna Ellis. Did you know that this content is listener supported? Without people like you, this podcast would not exist. And that's why we need you. A generous monthly gift of any amount will help sustain American Family Radio and specifically this podcast. Please consider becoming a monthly financial partner today by visiting afr.netforward/give us. That's afr.netgive. welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis Welcome back. And I'm here with my special guest, pollster Rich Barris. You should follow him on X at the People's Pundit. And we're talking about the midterms. And one of the things that you said in the last segment, Rich, that I want to follow up with, you just at the very end there was talking about how, you know, Obama came out in his reelection campaign and basically just said, you know, we didn't get everything done, but stick with us and let's see this through. And you know, that might be a really good lesson for Trump who not is, he's not on the ballot. But at the same time there is a feel that the midterms might be a little bit of a referendum on Trump 2.0 and the second term. And the national memo actually cited one of your interviews, saying that you've, you have interviewed countless Trump voters to get kind of a gauge on where Republicans chances are in November. But standing in the way of salvation for Republicans. This is, this article from the national memo they say is the fact that the 2024 version of Trump stinks. And they quote you as saying, if we're having an honest discussion, you could be a supporter of the president and you can still be honest. But I just don't see what sycophant see, how that helps anybody. I mean ultimately it's my job to convey what people are telling me and they wanted the old Trump back. And that also completely makes sense that a lot of the lack of energy in the base, even with the Trump rallies, I was talking to my producers ahead of time and I'm not going to quote Trump on air. This is Christian radio. But the fact that I'm having to say that is sad. But you know, he's making all these comments about the physical appearance of some of these candidates. And then Nicki Minaj, who is, you know, with him at the rally last night, and those are going viral. And it just, to me, it's just so off putting when you have so much more about policy and about, actually what voters are focused on, you know, their own lives and what you're, you're doing to actually make America great again instead of focusing on some of these other things that frankly, have been disappointing. And it's not just that it's Trump 2.0. A lot of this is also the fault of Congress. And if Trump could kind of get that messaging and say, listen, stick with us, and I need to have as strong of a Congress as I can to legislate some of these policy issues, you know, going into the next two years, that would be such a more effective message, I think then, you know, kind of just these casual rally jokes that, you know, he loves to do. And that's fine. I mean, I've been with him at a lot of these rallies and, and the funny side of Trump, everybody likes, but you also have to have moments of seriousness and maybe looking at where his approval rating and, you know, some of these issues have actually landed, when Trump 2.0 in the second term hasn't been nearly what all of the voters in 2024 expected.
Rich Baris And I also think that it's important when we're talking about these jokes and how they come across to people in the first, you know, all these years of Trump being a political figure is that you tolerate it. When, and this goes for people who are not his most ardent supporters, you tolerate it more. It's funnier. You can deal with it if he's making your life better. So if maybe you don't particularly like that talk or you don't think it's appropriate, let me read you actually what a woman who voted for Trump in 24 said last night. All right.
Rich Baris During one of her interviews when, ah, we get to a point in the interview when we say, okay, can you just take a couple of minutes to talk to us about why you answered the way you did? She brought up the Nicki Minaj thing, and it was pretty fresh. This was like a new thing. So she saw it immediately, basically immediately, Janet. And she said, how humiliating for his wife. It's so funny you brought this up, by the way, because I was just looking at it. How humiliating for his wife. You want to be a philanderer, at least be private about it. Don't worry, Donald. I'm sure there's no shortage of guys who want to comfort Melania after humiliating her like, that this is a Trump voter. And this is how she responded. And she went on to say, you know, my, you know, my groceries are still too high, my gas is still too high. I'm telling you, if we would have interviewed her two years ago, she would have laughed and shrugged that off, you know, and just thought, that's Donald Trump being Donald Trump. But because at this moment, she doesn't approve of the job he's doing, and she's unhappy with the direction the administration has gone. She doesn't find it funny anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like, we tolerate a lot more when somebody, when we think someone's our champion. It's like, yes, he says these things and. Right. He's not what you want in a president or what D.C. wants in a president, but he's our champion. He's ours got, you know, he's our obnoxious guy.
Walker Wildmon Right?
Rich Baris And they'll defend him for that. But when people feel like you're not defending them, then this stuff isn't funny anymore. And I would bring up the people who are trying to compare this to Whether, is this 2018? Is this oh, six? Donald Trump's approval rating looks like George W. Bush's right now in oh, six in 2018. For people who are, you know, hoping, and believe me, I hope it ends up more like 2018. Donald Trump's approval rating was positive in Ohio in 2018, and yet Sherrod Brown still beat Jim renace for the U.S. senate seat. his approval rating was positive in Florida. It's underwater in Florida right now. Janet. We're polling Florida, which I didn't think we were going to do this year, and I love it. It's my favorite state to poll, and it's because I lived there for so many years. and I'm good at it, so I like it, of course. Right.
Jenna Ellis But I love Florida, too. That's why I'm here.
Rich Baris But, yeah, I never thought I would see his approval rating underwater in Florida. You know, going into 2024, I knew he would win it, but we did pull it. We pulled it.
Rich Baris Right. I think we were one of only two. I think the NewSong York Times, also had that large of a margin. We had it a little over 13. He won by over 13. I never thought at this point that he'd be where I'm seeing him now, and it's not just a little underwater. So when, you know, Rick Scott beat Bill Nelson and Ron DeSantis beat Andrew Gillum, Trump was much more popular. So, you know, I'm concerned, but just not taking it seriously enough. And if those people we were talking about before decide that they're not taking it seriously, maybe I won't vote. We're going to have a real problem. And that's the difference. For people who are wondering how this is going to go. The GOP can absolutely overperform here. But they need all of these people to vote. And if they don't, we're going to lose things that we have no business losing. So it will be a reality check for us, unfortunately. But again, there still is time. And you know, I know people have narratives kind of set in their head by now, but now is the point of persuasion more like motivation than persuasion. Excuse me. And there are people we need to motivate. I don't see how jokes do that. And you know, I've always appreciated the President's jokes. I always, I'm definitely on the thick skin side, but when we're facing something this serious, I think we need to match the seriousness of the occasion.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, you know, it's like, it's like the guy where, you know, you're dating him because he has a great sense of humor and you like it and everything, but then when you actually want to have a serious conversation and you know, he just meets that with like a bunch of jokes and brushes it off, that's where you get frustrated and you re contemplate the relationship like, is this guy serious enough that you know, when we actually have issues and things that we gotta, you know, deal with in life, that he'll be prepared to meet them? You know, it's kind of like it's, it's that sort of feeling. But but before we run out of time here, I also want to ask you, Rich, about one specific race that we haven't really covered on this program as much. And that's Vivek Ramaswamy. Now, now regular listeners program know, you know, he's been a friend of mine personally for years. I had him on quite a bit when he was running for president. And you know, this is one of those races that to me the way that it's been handled has been a little bit inexplicable because I personally thought he was a much more savvy politician than some of the ways that he's handled some of these issues that really just didn't need to be a controversy and just really didn't need to be the, the subject of, you know, a lot of, I think, valid criticism. I mean Going all the way back to the reason he got kicked out of Doge, which was the whole, you know, H1B fiasco that, you know, kind of undermined the narrative for Trump, right before he took office, after he had won in 24, that was just, you know, really out of left field, kind of literally. And, you know, it was just so unnecessary. And so where do you see, that race shaping up? And I mean, that's one of those things where Republicans should win Ohio, and if they don't, I have questions.
Rich Baris Yeah. And this is what I would tell people who, you know, I'm seeing this almost unwarranted confidence in the final week here. And I'm trying to, you know, refocus everybody. Like, we should not even be talking about these races. The fact we are, means it's, it's time to be serious. Very serious. I think what happened here, when I say I think, but I'm fairly certain I know they every year, almost every year, I'm the outlier in Ohio, and every year it ends, up that I'm probably closer than everybody else. I think they believe they're on polling, and I think they believe the media is polling. And Ohio is one of those states where we typically see a gross understatement of Republican support. And I think they panicked. That's what I think. And, and it's funny because before they did this, we actually had Sherrod Brown still leading. You said we were going to pull it one more time. He's an extremely strong Senate candidate. But Vivek we had in a better position against Amy Acton. And I think they should have trusted that the, trusted the fundamentals of the state and just spoke to the issues that people, were concerned about. You could actually see in the data. We always have what we call the mood of the electorate in each poll. Who do they trust? What are they prioritizing? And then who do they trust more to handle those top priority issues? And one of the things about Ohio was, with the exception of health care, they still trusted Republicans on basically every key issue, including cost of living. They trusted them more than Democrats. They should have trusted the fundamentals of the state. And now we're going to find out. I don't want to speak too soon, but we are back in. And it does look like there's a backfire here. So that's sad if that's the case. I've seen this before, Janet, you know, with, even with the president's own team, he should have been in Minnesota. But at that time, maybe the media polls and some of their own internal polls suggested that states like Iowa and Ohio, even Florida, were going to be closer than they really were. And so they really dedicated or made campaign decisions, you know, resource decisions based on that. And unfortunately, they were wrong. You know, Trump was much further ahead in those states. And so instead of trying to maybe pit Minnesota over or go back to NewSong Hampshire, which in two of his three races were closer to, he went back to shore upstate. He was going to win by double digits anyway. And I just repeatedly see this with Republicans, and it's, it's tragic. But, you know, you said it before, and it's really very true. The people who make the most in this business, folks, and make, the decisions for consulting, they don't. They're not necessarily the smartest, they're not necessarily the brightest. You know, they're not always the best talent. And I hate to say that because I do like one of the guys on his team a lot. I'm actually really surprised that he threw this Hail Mary. I would not have expected him to panic and do that. But here we are.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, same. Well, and last question for your Paris. because you mentioned Florida, the governor's race is closer, I think, than anyone expected, potentially. Where do you see Florida going?
Rich Baris Yeah, I think. And I don't want to give anyone. I don't want to insert complacency here at all. I just think that, so far, I, it is closer and it's again, an indication of maybe how much, you know, the country is going to swing. But I do think Byron Donald is going to pull it out.
Rich Baris I do. I just. I don't want to give anyone any false. You have to go and vote. Go and vote. Don't listen to Rich about whether or not it's a shoo in. I'm not saying it's a shoe in. I just think that it is still a very heavy lift, for Democrats in the state of Florida. They would need more defections than what we're seeing here. And we are seeing defections, but it's not as. It's not big enough right now. And one thing I do, and again, don't overanalyze the early vote, but one thing I do see in Florida that I like, that I'm not seeing everywhere else, except for maybe Arizona, is that Republicans are doing a better job getting the low propensity out. Democrats are still doing a better job. But that means, folks, you want to get those low propensity Voters out in the early vote because they're much harder to get to vote later. So you want to leave your reliable voters until election Day. And Republicans still have a big election day culture. Florida, so I think he's, he's going to be okay. But the fact it's even this close, again, it tells you something. It really does. And, you know, we really have to have this election no matter how it stands. Even if Republicans outperform. We really need to have a conversation and refocus and, you know, rediscover, you know, what it is that made us, you know, the winning coalition. It was in 24. And get back to that because, you know, the clock is always ticking.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, so well said. And we've got to take a break here, but, absolutely, because Trump is not going to be in office, going into 2028, and, you know, he's not going to be the one who's on the ballot. And we've got to focus on, you know, where does the country head after, the Trump era? And it's good to see though that maybe, in some of the states, especially like Florida, where there's a lot of chatter on social media, social media about, you know, defections and some of those things that maybe, you know, online isn't really reality. And that's why the work that, you know, Rich does, is so important. And again, you can follow him on X at the People's Pundit and also get his brand new book, burn it down and we will be right back with more. We're living in a defining moment in history. Today, a woman facing an unexpected pregnancy can order the abortion pill online, often before anyone has had the chance to tell her she is loved, that she's not alone, or that there is hope. That's why you are needed right now. You were made for this moment. At ah, preborn network clinics, mothers are welcomed with compassion, practical support and a free ultrasound. And when she sees her baby and hears that tiny heartbeat for the very first time, fear often gives way to hope. In fact, more than 80% of abortion vulnerable women choose life after seeing their baby on an ultrasound. At a PreBorn Network clinic. That one moment can save a baby's life life and open a mother's heart to the hope of Jesus Christ. This is our moment to stand. For those who cannot speak for themselves, just $28 provides one life saving ultrasound. $140 helps rescue five babies. Please don't wait. Dial pound 250 and say the keyword baby that's pound 250 baby. Or give [email protected] afr that's preborn.com afr Together we can save lives one heartbeat at a time. Welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis Welcome back. Well, for all of the discussion that we have, and it's good to know where we stand, what the polls say, what the projections are, and everybody has their opinions on, what the GOP or the left and the Democrats are doing. That's right, wrong and, you know, and otherwise. And those things are all important to discuss. We have to remember to bring it back to the biblical worldview and the fact that voting is stewardship of our duty and responsibility before the Lord, to exercise our citizenship and to take advantage of the heritage that America has blessed us with. Because in other countries we don't get to select and prefer our leaders. And even though, you may be discouraged or not, like a specific candidate or ballot issue or whatever, and those things, again, are very important, we do have to remember what we're doing for the greater good of the country, but also in our individual Christian lives. And so that's been the overall message that, Walker Wildmon here at American Family association and with AFA Action has, been telling listeners, especially with the, the I Voter Guide initiative, to help, to inform voters what are the issues that you should be concerned about that are on your ballots and how can you make a plan to vote. And so Walker joins us now. good morning. And I think it's so important, like I said, Walker, you know, what we're all doing to, to try to bring it back to the biblical worldview, not get so caught up in the politics and, you know, maybe the, the mainstream commentary about it and to really bring it back to citizenship.
Walker Wildmon Yeah, absolutely. Good morning, Jenna. Thanks for having me on the program. And, yeah, I wanted to, highlight a couple things, and you're exactly right. the biblical mandate of stewardship applies to voting as well and civics and civic engagement. And so any type of mentality that says, you know, I need to check out or I need to sit this one out or I'm mad, so I'm not going to vote, that's just not biblical. That's all there is to it. And I think this culture and the fact that we do have people sitting on the sidelines is just indicative of where our culture is spiritually, which is not in a very good place. And so we've got a lot to learn there. for the country when it comes to, consistently, doing the right thing and voting is no different here. I did want to highlight a couple things and of course we can talk about I voter guide and the fact that people need to show up and vote, regardless of, you know, how they feel about the mood of the country, if you will. but I have been listening to your show, Jenna, and I am a big fan. I wanted to highlight a couple things, a couple accomplishments. Pretty big deal that the Trump administration has accomplished over the past few years that I don't think is being highlighted enough. I don't think that voters, and even the campaigns are doing a good enough job communicating some of the successes that have, have been had. The first thing that I wanted to highlight is the tax cuts. President Trump, with Republicans, they were able to make permanent the 2017 tax cuts. That's a big deal for American families. The other thing that they were able to do, that they just couldn't get done the first term, was fully funding the wall. that was, we fought tooth and nail the first term to get just, you know, pennies for the wall, and they were able to fully fund it with billions of dollars, just last year. the other thing is mass deportations. I mean, we're seeing levels, of deportations that we haven't seen since probably Obama. the fourth thing is, the federal layoffs of federal employees, the shrinking of the bureaucracy. We're at the lowest number of federal employees since like the 1950s or 1960s. That's a big deal for conservative voters. And then lastly, President Trump and Republicans were able to defund abortion providers for 12 months through Medicaid reimbursements. That was a wish list item for the pro life community that with previous Republicans, we could never get across the finish line. And so I'll say all that to say that the Republicans and President Trump, maybe they haven't done enough. And, you know, a lot of people could debate the Iran war, interest rates, mortgage rates, inflation, and there's some validity in all of those topics. but you compare what President Trump and Republicans have been able to do, even though we all could agree they could do more versus what they're up against, and that is the Democrat socialists which want to destroy the country. So we've got a very, there's a very wide space in between the two parties and the two worldviews when it comes to what's on the ballot this November. And you're also electing, your local, your state governor. You're also electing your state attorney general, you're electing your mayor. I mean, there's just so many positions up and down the ballot, that voters don't need to get tunnel vision that this is just all about Trump or all about a US Senator. There's just so much on the ballot this November and we want people to be engaged and to show up and vote.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, it's so well said. And it is important to highlight those accomplishments because if you compare, maybe what, you know, what Trump hasn't done that people prefer, he would do more compared to what Kamala Harris would have done, there's just, there's no comparison. And so, you know, every election is the most important election because it will determine the next, you know, two years of what policies go through, what things are barred, and also the state and local elections that absolutely matter. And, you know, you're talking, Walker, about, you know, some of the people who say, well, I'm going to sit this out or I'm disaffected. And at least here in Florida, you know, one of the key things that everybody's talking about is how Byron Donalds ran his primary campaign with basically a coronation from Trump and he didn't debate. And I openly, personally, you know, disagreed with that. But he is the nominee. And a lot of people who are conservatives who would have otherwise voted for the Republican ticket are now saying that they're going to sit it out. And that's inexplicable to me. And I wonder, do you think that there is too much of an overemphasis on the right generally about individualism and saying, you know, this is for you and your family, this is what, you know, I want to live my American dream and being so focused on individual rights and protections that somehow we sometimes miss the opportunities where we can have more of a team player mentality? Because the left seems to be very good at that. And obviously we don't want to have a collectivism sort of, you know, common good, kind of theory in the same way they do. But there is a space and a time to honestly look at the biblical view of public good, which is civics.
Walker Wildmon Yeah, yeah, you're right. The point, the process that we have in America is quite unique and it's really a gift from God that we shouldn't take for granted. And the process we have is we have a primary process. well, first off, we have a multi party system, but we also have a primary process and then a general process. So a primary election General election, the primary election is the perfect time for conservatives to argue with each other. It's the perfect time for us to debate who has the best ideas and hash that out. the general election is the time for conservatives to come together and pretty much pick which direction you want the country to go. but I do think that our politics has somewhat become rather petty, to be honest, and we could point fingers at who's responsible for this. But ultimately, this problem has been around for a long time. I mean, I remember, hearing stories about, you know, debating the Bush administration and how he wasn't pro life enough and he wasn't in favor of one man, one woman, marriage enough. And there were all these debates even going on during the Bush era, about how they could have been more conservative. And so these factions within parties has been around for a long, long time. Well, from the very beginning, there was factions within different parties from the very founding. And so we're going to have these debates. I think it's healthy for the country, I think it's healthy for our process to have these debates. but at the end of the day, the point is, when you get to a place where you're so dissatisfied and so disgruntled that you disengage from the whole process, that's what I have a problem with. I have no problem with people debating policies, no problem with primary voters, you know, voting for different candidates in the primary for different reasons. But when people get so into this, are really so disengaged that they say, I'm just not going to vote, that's a fundamental problem that I can biblically say that is wrong. You should not do that. we have to be engaged. And to your point, the left is very good at coalition building. Now here, since Obama left, President Obama left, they've been more splintered in the sense that you've got the socialists versus, you know, the more establishment types in the Democrat Party. So they have had some party spats, but at the end of the day, they always seem to come together. So I think we can learn some lessons from that. but we also just have to keep fighting because this is not going to be something where we, can turn this country around in two or four years, or even eight years. It's taken 50 to 70 years for the left to take their Marxist march down our institutions. And so if we lose one election, for example, if conservatives and Republicans have a bad day next Tuesday, we don't need to throw up our hands and go, well, the country's Gone. You know, I even heard somebody say the other day that, you know, I think our country's only got four years left. Well, first off, what does that even mean, our country's only got four years left? And does that mean that if we don't, quote, take back the country after four years, we're going to just throw our hands up and give up? No, we just have to diligently and daily do the right thing as Christians and leave the results up to God. And so what I like to tell people is that I'm going to vote and I'm going to keep fighting for the right thing in our country until I don't have the ability or the life or the rights to do it anymore.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, amen to that. Absolutely. And you know, my dad, who's full of wisdom, always says that if you don't vote, then you forfeited the right to complain. And I think that's so true. In this sense, you have to be a participant, not just a spectator and, you know, kind of being that armchair umpire instead of actually using the privileges, the duties and the responsibilities that God has given us, here in America to participate in our government. And of course there are a lot of things that we can critique, complain about, rightly, you know, all of those things. But at the end of the day, we need to be participants because of that stewardship. And it's so important that we recognize that for all of the conversations that we have about politics, policy, candidates, ballot issues, all of that, at the end of the day, we need to be responsible before the Lord, to actually engage in the process. And this is why I, so appreciate Walker AFA Action I voter Guide for informing voters so that you can have confidence in knowing that you are voting your values all the way down ballot. so you can, you can definitely use that resource at ivoter Guide and everything also at AFA Action. So we're about a week out. We'll see how this goes. We're already out of time, but Walker Wildmon, thanks so much and as always, you can reach me and my team. Jennaafr.net. PreBorn has rescued over 400,000 babies from abortion and every day their network clinics rescue 200 babies lives. Will you join preborn in loving and supporting young moms in crisis? Save a life today. Go to preborn.com afr.
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Jenna Ellis Good morning. It is Monday, October, 26th, and we are just about one week away from the midterms. Of course, that's all that anyone is talking about, including President Trump, who, interestingly, according to some commentary by a daily wire, he's involving himself in the midterms in a way that he doesn't necessarily have to. obviously he doesn't personally have another election left, but he has been, traversing the country doing rallies and asking people to vote and which I think is, is actually a good thing. He shouldn't just sit it out. And neither should we, by the way. But, then there's been a lot of commentary about whether this will be a blue wave or maybe just a tiny blue mist, as some projections of course, are suggesting that Democrats will, have a huge sweep and others saying, well, they'll probably take the House by a pretty small margin, the Senate will be tied, and we'll kind where the rest of the state elections and local elections fall. but let's welcome M in Rich Barris, who's the people's pundit. You can follow him on X. And, also the director of Big Data Poll. And Rich, I'm glad to have you on again, so close to the midterms because the podcast that we did together, by the way, everyone should listen to that. It's on on demand, @afr.net you can listen to that, called Burn it down, which is also the title of Rich's new book, what the Polls say Young Americans Really Want. that has been incredibly popular for listeners to actually understand what young Voters are thinking, so a week out from the midterms, where do you think we stand?
Rich Baris Hey, Jenna, thanks for having me back on. I appreciate it. Good morning. So we're going to do our final, we are actually right now in the field doing our final polling. It's a, you know, it's a tough environment for Republicans. It is. And I would say this, they can absolutely blunt how bad this will be if they simply vote. And I mean, I know it sounds silly and it sounds oversimplified, but that's really what it comes down to. They have the numbers to stop a lot of these flips, Janet. They do. They just have to get them out. And, you know, I always caution people not to read too much into the early vote every year because this just isn't a solid baseline vote. Behavior changes. The method by which people vote, it changes based on what the party, you know, wants them to do. It's learn behavior. And Democrats definitely shifted away from mail and ballot this time and more into in person early. And it does look like from, both the early vote data and what the polling is telling us is that they will vote more, towards election day, even on election day, than we have seen them in the past. And they've done a good job getting low propensity voters out. We can do the same. You could see the right do the same as, and this is very typical for Republicans, they, they're not usually the first to vote. They, did very good at it in 24, but that was almost not, it was really atypical of them. So the numbers are there in a lot of these states. I really would stress that. But they have to get, they have to get them out. And I'd like to see them do that more early, rather than wait for election day. It would make me more comfortable.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, Yeah, I agree 100%. So how, how successful and persuasive do you think that President Trump's rallies are in some of these specific elections?
Rich Baris Yeah, he gets the base out. you know, the question is, you know, it's not a question. We know the base after every election is a base election. And you hear, you know, pundits and pollsters, always talk about winning the middle. And that's of course true. But if you don't get your base out, then you don't get your. And this is the thing people need to realize. There aren't that many true independents. You're really talking about mid to high single digits of people who are truly independent in this country. Even Independents lean one way or the other. And what we see is if the base isn't used to get out of the base isn't excited, then their middle isn't excited. You know, there's that independent leaning right wing voter leaning left wing vote. so it is important to excite the base and get them out. He's, he definitely does that better than anybody. I even know in North Carolina where the numbers were looking very grim, I mean just to be very clear, the numbers were looking bad and they're still not great. But when the President came here, even the Vice President, we definitely did see later participation pick up where we, where Republicans really needed to see that happen. the first district, the numbers got better without a doubt. He came to Greenville. And Lori Buckow faces Don Davis here. Don, Davis is technically the incumbent, but the district was redrawn. Republicans really should not be struggling with this district, but it's understandable they are. And the President came out here and the numbers got better. He didn't go to Greg Murphy's district in the third, which is technically supposed to be the safer seed. He's, he's an incumbent himself. and the numbers are worse for him there. So we could go around the map and we could literally say the President went here and the vote went up. but again I heard you as I was waiting, you know, you didn't have to get involved. But he does. And Republicans are going to have to figure out what are you going to do when Donald Trump's not there for you anymore? Because that will happen someday. And they really need to start thinking less about television ads for consultants and more for ground game. Janet. They do because I can look around the map and I can literally see where TPUSA is and they're getting low prop voters out more, versus where the party just thought let me bombard the airwaves with millions m upon millions of dollars. You know that doesn't persuade people to get out and vote. It does to some extent, but it's actually one of the least effective. You need air cover, but you need get out the vote infrastructure. And Republicans have to start thinking about that now. Even though the election's around the corner.
Jenna Ellis Yeah.
Rich Baris And we have to turn to very soon.
Jenna Ellis I saw your your post on X Just about 15 minutes ago, Rich, that was talking about this saying if I told you the percentage of voters who won, say television ads influenced them to vote and two persuaded them to vote compared to other outreach methods. We know the GOP abandone vomit the amount of money, making consultants rich, but influencing nobody is a crime. And I totally agree with you on this. and it's, it's amazing. I've always said that consultants are the people who have no marketable skill sets in the real world. So they just decide to become consultants because they're not running themselves, but they decide that they can influence the candidates and, and they don't do anything, but they're paid so highly. So, you know, where should the GOP be putting some of their efforts instead of some of these things on television?
Rich Baris Yeah, and I just want to agree with that before you preface the answer with. I mean that is completely true for listeners out there. And some of these guys, you're talking about a handful of them, made generational wealth folks off of the amount of money that has been spent on TV ads and online ads. And again, people will see this data soon. I just peeked at it this morning from the collection over the weekend and we're asking people and it's, it's awful what does get people out. And of course it's the modern era, so texting certainly isn't, it does cause engagement. But the right, and we know this from the research we did in 24, which worked and we put into practice the right is definitely different than the left. They don't view politics as their religion. And you know this, I mean, your faith's important to you. It's we, we have other things in our heart and in our lives and we don't take to the same way a left wing voter would to some stranger showing up on the door and telling us about how, you know, we need to dedicate or surround our, you know, chasing this issue or putting this issue on a pedestal. We are much more influenced by the people around us in our orbit, who we know and we're intimately familiar with. And I mean, without getting too much into the weeds, that kind of get out the vote that really stresses outreach to people you have personal relationships with, family, coworkers, neighbors. We know that works. One of the groups that did it phenomenally well in 2024 was, a group called 10x votes. And they made fun of them. CNN, all of these media outlets said this is ridiculous. They're targeting low prop voters by going through, you know, your cousin or you're this. It worked. And Trump actually carried Michigan, by healthier margin than he carried Wisconsin where there was no get out the vote. And that turned out to be very close. Actually. Wisconsin had voted more for Trump in the prior Elections. and that. That is the reason. So, I mean, door knocking, yes, absolutely. Still works.
Rich Baris I don't want to give too much away before we release it. But you guys will see the difference between how much did it persuade you when someone came to the door and you felt like, you know, you had. You shared something in common with this person? It's leaps and bounds. And just, you know what? I will give this away to give away. How persuasive. Suasive. At this point, the TVS there spend hundreds of millions of dollars on it. Be almost $1 billion spent this election cycle. You're talking about low single digits. It's absolutely disgusting. You need air cover so people know who you are, and you hit them from multiple, you know, multiple angles and you remind them. You get your name id, but it doesn't persuade them to say, okay, maybe I'm a little disaffected. I'll go out and vote. If someone knocks on your door and they say, I know you're unhappy with Trump, but don't you remember what it was like when the left was in charge and you have a conversation? They are much more likely to say, okay, I'll do it. It's leaps and bounds.
Jenna Ellis Yeah. Ah. And that just makes sense when we're in a world that there is just such constant noise. I mean, even when I have, you know, the TV on in the background, when I'm like, you know, washing the dishes in my kitchen or whatever, it's like I tune out even the programming sometimes. Like, you know, even some of the stuff that I, you know, turned on to watch, I'll tune it out. I tune out text messages, especially some of these, you know, robo ones. And I think because some, it's. It's just so impersonal. And a lot of these ads and things were just so overwhelmed with, especially during election season. But everything from, you know, the targeted Instagram and text ads from, like, all these different companies to buy the latest thing. It feels like a lot of these ads for candidates come across, frankly the same way. And, and I can just from my own kind of, you know, anecdotal perspective, then you have the personal touch where a lot of my friends and family will text me and say, hey, you know, who are you voting for? Or what do you think about this issue? And when we have that conversation, obviously they've reached out, so they're wanting to be persuaded. But even when I talk and bring it up to some of my neighbors or, you know, some of, some of my Friends, when we have that conversation, then you can actually know what they're thinking. And this is why I think that churches are missing a really huge opportunity in this election because if they would at least encourage their congregations to vote their values. I mean, obviously they don't have to say a, specific candidate's name, but we all know where the two parties stand in terms of their values. And especially for evangelicals and for, you know, a large swath of the Republican base, it's about voting for the best vision of America. It's about saying, okay, what values do we want to underpin our policy? And, and I think that if churches would be doing that more, we would see a huge increase in Republican turnout as well.
Rich Baris I'm not in text, maybe you didn't watch it, but, Tellarico had this ask me anything event. And during this event, he had a Catholic scholar come, up and it was a woman, and she sat down and she said, you know, she was trying. The whole purpose is you bring up an issue and he tries to convince you why he's right on this issue and obviously trying to earn your support. And the first thing she brought up, abortion and her biblical values or Catholic faith. And the first thing out of his mouth was, textbook Democrat on this issue, says, of course, you know, the Bible is silent on abortion. And then he launches into this five minute interview, you know, five minute answer. And at the very end, she just looks at him and she says, well, it's really not thou shalt not kill. You know, like that was it. And it was such a huge moment. I, you're right. I don't know why we still, to this point, there are a lot of even evangelical churches, because sometimes when I'm traveling, I'm not at my home church. And I'll just tell people, obviously I consider myself an evangelical, and I'll look for somewhere else to go if I'm, if I'm out and about. So I do visit a lot of different churches, and it's amazing to me how many almost feel like they have to be silent on this issue on all these, you know, they should be respectful of each other, of course, but you should look to me. I know when I go into inner city churches and I go around, you know, Democratic churches, they are quite open about what they want their congregation to do. So the right is at a disadvantage. And while we hear about the evangelical base on the right, and it's often very influential during caucuses and primaries, when we're talking about the presidential nominations, outside of that. They're actually a lot less politically active, in my opinion, than I see from left wing churches or, you know, progressive churches, whatever, however you want to label them. But they're open, they're unafraid. And I think the right leaves a lot on the table. I mean, I just. It was a stunner to me because I know when I'm polling Texas and I can see the numbers by face, and it's a stunner to me that everyone wouldn't know, you know, who does and who doesn't. You know, regardless of whether you think, what do you think about the person's character, what they're going to advance in the country that ultimately will influence the lives of not only you later on in your life, but your children and your grandchildren. And the right does not do a good enough job making that picture crystal clear. It doesn't.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, yeah. And it's really disappointing, frankly, but also, you know, shocking to me that the right does leave so much on the table. I completely agree with that assessment, especially when it comes to, you know, some of the biggest gatherings of the week are at churches. And so it's such a prime, obvious audience to, to, encourage people to actually go live out their faith. And one of those things is stewardship of their vote and their civic responsibility. I mean, it just falls right into line with everything else that churches are teaching anyway. And yet we see that somehow there's still this perception on the right, generally among, you know, the greater evangelical swath, that somehow politics is too dirty to mess with, or, you know, they're too concerned that they might get too political and turn off people from the pulpit. And yet you have, as you said, I mean, all of these people on the left that, aren't really adhering to any biblical values whatsoever, obviously, like the James Talarico, response that you just mentioned, which is just so clear, and yet they're willing to say that engagement in politics is important because of their values. I mean, that's, that's what this boils down to. And I think the right has to do a better job of not just persuading people to get out and vote because you love Trump or because, you know, this personality is running for office, or because, you know, you personally prefer this particular candidate, but actually tying it to values and world changing in a way that I think the left, unfortunately does better. And I disagree with their worldview completely, obviously the liberal progressives, but they actually, and I've said this on the program quite a bit they actually want to be world changers. And so tying in kind of what we talked about, on the podcast and what your book talks about with, it's called Burn It Down. You should order it, now, by the way, for listeners. Really great book. What the Polls Say Young Americans Really Want. I mean, none of this is suggesting that they're voting for these candidates just because they love the personality. I mean, that has maybe been true for Trump, and it was true for Reagan, but other than, you know, Donald Trump, it's not going to be true for anybody else. These are people who have values. Everybody has values. And so, you know, where do you think in the last week the GOP really needs to. To focus and even beyond the midterms, to tie in their candidates better to the overall strategy and mission? Because a lot of these, even the ads that I've seen, aren't messaging that way. I mean, everything is basically just about, I'm Trump endorsed, and that's like, that's where they leave it. And I don't think that's enough.
Rich Baris It's not. And, you know, personally, I love the president. I'll just say this because people tend to confuse my analysis with my personal opinions. he knows I love him. I love the guy as a guy, but it is what it is, Janet. He's at 36% right now in our national poll, which is going to be our final poll. I hope it ends higher. But all weekend, he tracked at 36%. Even if you gin up, every one of those people, you're still not there. You're just not enough. It's not enough. I really wish they didn't. How can I put this? I really wish they didn't try to recast the. You can shape a narrative, but you can't reshape reality. And the lack of empathy towards people's personal suffering at this, this point, economic and otherwise, really did a lot of damage, and I would have liked to see them. And you could still do it, because there are a lot of people out there. And the NewSong York Times had an article on this yesterday with their polling and district polling. I totally agree with it. The undecided and unwilling to vote voter is a Trump voter, mostly, right? Not all of you, of course, but mostly it's largely Trump voters that are just upset right now. So it's okay to tell them that, you know, you didn't do everything that they wanted you to do, or that maybe even you didn't do good enough. I hate to say it, guys, but Barack Obama did this, and he did it in the final closing days of his reelection campaign really, really beautifully. He basically said, I know we didn't do enough, but stick with me. I'm still prioritizing you. Let's keep moving forward. And he used that narrative. He had one word, just to encompass it all forward. And that's how Americans like to think. They don't want to talk about backwards stuff. They don't want to look in the past. The only reason why it worked for Trump in 2024 is because people were mad. They were lied to about Biden and they were told the adults were coming back in the room. So it was a very easy AP comparison. And it worked for Trump. He was actually saying, we're going to move forward by fixing the mistake of the past. And that worked. It was very rare, and it was, an exception to the rule. I would like them to see them have a little bit of empathy. And still, I would like to see them do that, because they're not. When I look around at the early vote data and the book, again, thank you for mentioning it, obviously the young. The coalition in 24 was much younger than anything we've seen in a, Republican coalition. We can see it in the early vote. They're just drumming us with young, lower propensity voters. And why? Because those voters in NewSong York Times are highlighting that they're right. They are basically sitting around disaffected, saying, I don't know if they still care about me. I don't know if this was all like a scam, a grip. I mean, there's no other way to put it. And this isn't the direction I wanted to see the administration go in. It's okay to say, you know what? We hear you, and we're going to do better in the future, and we understand your suffering. You know, affordability is not a hoax. Right? I mean, that. That was the way to go. I don't know what else to tell people. I mean, it's not everyone's shared experience that they have a home that's appreciating in value. And there are a lot of people out there that are really worrying that the American dream is just not attainable for them. They needed to have a little bit of empathy. Nothing wrong with that. Take a cue from Bill Clinton.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's so true. And, Rich Barris is going to stick with us through the break. We're talking about the midterms, where the GOP is, and projections, all of that you can follow him on X and also get, his brand new book as well, which is Burn it down, what the Polls Say Young Americans Really Want. And we will be right back with more. Hi, I'm Jenna Ellis. Did you know that this content is listener supported? Without people like you, this podcast would not exist. And that's why we need you. A generous monthly gift of any amount will help sustain American Family Radio and specifically this podcast. Please consider becoming a monthly financial partner today by visiting afr.netforward/give us. That's afr.netgive. welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis Welcome back. And I'm here with my special guest, pollster Rich Barris. You should follow him on X at the People's Pundit. And we're talking about the midterms. And one of the things that you said in the last segment, Rich, that I want to follow up with, you just at the very end there was talking about how, you know, Obama came out in his reelection campaign and basically just said, you know, we didn't get everything done, but stick with us and let's see this through. And you know, that might be a really good lesson for Trump who not is, he's not on the ballot. But at the same time there is a feel that the midterms might be a little bit of a referendum on Trump 2.0 and the second term. And the national memo actually cited one of your interviews, saying that you've, you have interviewed countless Trump voters to get kind of a gauge on where Republicans chances are in November. But standing in the way of salvation for Republicans. This is, this article from the national memo they say is the fact that the 2024 version of Trump stinks. And they quote you as saying, if we're having an honest discussion, you could be a supporter of the president and you can still be honest. But I just don't see what sycophant see, how that helps anybody. I mean ultimately it's my job to convey what people are telling me and they wanted the old Trump back. And that also completely makes sense that a lot of the lack of energy in the base, even with the Trump rallies, I was talking to my producers ahead of time and I'm not going to quote Trump on air. This is Christian radio. But the fact that I'm having to say that is sad. But you know, he's making all these comments about the physical appearance of some of these candidates. And then Nicki Minaj, who is, you know, with him at the rally last night, and those are going viral. And it just, to me, it's just so off putting when you have so much more about policy and about, actually what voters are focused on, you know, their own lives and what you're, you're doing to actually make America great again instead of focusing on some of these other things that frankly, have been disappointing. And it's not just that it's Trump 2.0. A lot of this is also the fault of Congress. And if Trump could kind of get that messaging and say, listen, stick with us, and I need to have as strong of a Congress as I can to legislate some of these policy issues, you know, going into the next two years, that would be such a more effective message, I think then, you know, kind of just these casual rally jokes that, you know, he loves to do. And that's fine. I mean, I've been with him at a lot of these rallies and, and the funny side of Trump, everybody likes, but you also have to have moments of seriousness and maybe looking at where his approval rating and, you know, some of these issues have actually landed, when Trump 2.0 in the second term hasn't been nearly what all of the voters in 2024 expected.
Rich Baris And I also think that it's important when we're talking about these jokes and how they come across to people in the first, you know, all these years of Trump being a political figure is that you tolerate it. When, and this goes for people who are not his most ardent supporters, you tolerate it more. It's funnier. You can deal with it if he's making your life better. So if maybe you don't particularly like that talk or you don't think it's appropriate, let me read you actually what a woman who voted for Trump in 24 said last night. All right.
Rich Baris During one of her interviews when, ah, we get to a point in the interview when we say, okay, can you just take a couple of minutes to talk to us about why you answered the way you did? She brought up the Nicki Minaj thing, and it was pretty fresh. This was like a new thing. So she saw it immediately, basically immediately, Janet. And she said, how humiliating for his wife. It's so funny you brought this up, by the way, because I was just looking at it. How humiliating for his wife. You want to be a philanderer, at least be private about it. Don't worry, Donald. I'm sure there's no shortage of guys who want to comfort Melania after humiliating her like, that this is a Trump voter. And this is how she responded. And she went on to say, you know, my, you know, my groceries are still too high, my gas is still too high. I'm telling you, if we would have interviewed her two years ago, she would have laughed and shrugged that off, you know, and just thought, that's Donald Trump being Donald Trump. But because at this moment, she doesn't approve of the job he's doing, and she's unhappy with the direction the administration has gone. She doesn't find it funny anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like, we tolerate a lot more when somebody, when we think someone's our champion. It's like, yes, he says these things and. Right. He's not what you want in a president or what D.C. wants in a president, but he's our champion. He's ours got, you know, he's our obnoxious guy.
Walker Wildmon Right?
Rich Baris And they'll defend him for that. But when people feel like you're not defending them, then this stuff isn't funny anymore. And I would bring up the people who are trying to compare this to Whether, is this 2018? Is this oh, six? Donald Trump's approval rating looks like George W. Bush's right now in oh, six in 2018. For people who are, you know, hoping, and believe me, I hope it ends up more like 2018. Donald Trump's approval rating was positive in Ohio in 2018, and yet Sherrod Brown still beat Jim renace for the U.S. senate seat. his approval rating was positive in Florida. It's underwater in Florida right now. Janet. We're polling Florida, which I didn't think we were going to do this year, and I love it. It's my favorite state to poll, and it's because I lived there for so many years. and I'm good at it, so I like it, of course. Right.
Jenna Ellis But I love Florida, too. That's why I'm here.
Rich Baris But, yeah, I never thought I would see his approval rating underwater in Florida. You know, going into 2024, I knew he would win it, but we did pull it. We pulled it.
Rich Baris Right. I think we were one of only two. I think the NewSong York Times, also had that large of a margin. We had it a little over 13. He won by over 13. I never thought at this point that he'd be where I'm seeing him now, and it's not just a little underwater. So when, you know, Rick Scott beat Bill Nelson and Ron DeSantis beat Andrew Gillum, Trump was much more popular. So, you know, I'm concerned, but just not taking it seriously enough. And if those people we were talking about before decide that they're not taking it seriously, maybe I won't vote. We're going to have a real problem. And that's the difference. For people who are wondering how this is going to go. The GOP can absolutely overperform here. But they need all of these people to vote. And if they don't, we're going to lose things that we have no business losing. So it will be a reality check for us, unfortunately. But again, there still is time. And you know, I know people have narratives kind of set in their head by now, but now is the point of persuasion more like motivation than persuasion. Excuse me. And there are people we need to motivate. I don't see how jokes do that. And you know, I've always appreciated the President's jokes. I always, I'm definitely on the thick skin side, but when we're facing something this serious, I think we need to match the seriousness of the occasion.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, you know, it's like, it's like the guy where, you know, you're dating him because he has a great sense of humor and you like it and everything, but then when you actually want to have a serious conversation and you know, he just meets that with like a bunch of jokes and brushes it off, that's where you get frustrated and you re contemplate the relationship like, is this guy serious enough that you know, when we actually have issues and things that we gotta, you know, deal with in life, that he'll be prepared to meet them? You know, it's kind of like it's, it's that sort of feeling. But but before we run out of time here, I also want to ask you, Rich, about one specific race that we haven't really covered on this program as much. And that's Vivek Ramaswamy. Now, now regular listeners program know, you know, he's been a friend of mine personally for years. I had him on quite a bit when he was running for president. And you know, this is one of those races that to me the way that it's been handled has been a little bit inexplicable because I personally thought he was a much more savvy politician than some of the ways that he's handled some of these issues that really just didn't need to be a controversy and just really didn't need to be the, the subject of, you know, a lot of, I think, valid criticism. I mean Going all the way back to the reason he got kicked out of Doge, which was the whole, you know, H1B fiasco that, you know, kind of undermined the narrative for Trump, right before he took office, after he had won in 24, that was just, you know, really out of left field, kind of literally. And, you know, it was just so unnecessary. And so where do you see, that race shaping up? And I mean, that's one of those things where Republicans should win Ohio, and if they don't, I have questions.
Rich Baris Yeah. And this is what I would tell people who, you know, I'm seeing this almost unwarranted confidence in the final week here. And I'm trying to, you know, refocus everybody. Like, we should not even be talking about these races. The fact we are, means it's, it's time to be serious. Very serious. I think what happened here, when I say I think, but I'm fairly certain I know they every year, almost every year, I'm the outlier in Ohio, and every year it ends, up that I'm probably closer than everybody else. I think they believe they're on polling, and I think they believe the media is polling. And Ohio is one of those states where we typically see a gross understatement of Republican support. And I think they panicked. That's what I think. And, and it's funny because before they did this, we actually had Sherrod Brown still leading. You said we were going to pull it one more time. He's an extremely strong Senate candidate. But Vivek we had in a better position against Amy Acton. And I think they should have trusted that the, trusted the fundamentals of the state and just spoke to the issues that people, were concerned about. You could actually see in the data. We always have what we call the mood of the electorate in each poll. Who do they trust? What are they prioritizing? And then who do they trust more to handle those top priority issues? And one of the things about Ohio was, with the exception of health care, they still trusted Republicans on basically every key issue, including cost of living. They trusted them more than Democrats. They should have trusted the fundamentals of the state. And now we're going to find out. I don't want to speak too soon, but we are back in. And it does look like there's a backfire here. So that's sad if that's the case. I've seen this before, Janet, you know, with, even with the president's own team, he should have been in Minnesota. But at that time, maybe the media polls and some of their own internal polls suggested that states like Iowa and Ohio, even Florida, were going to be closer than they really were. And so they really dedicated or made campaign decisions, you know, resource decisions based on that. And unfortunately, they were wrong. You know, Trump was much further ahead in those states. And so instead of trying to maybe pit Minnesota over or go back to NewSong Hampshire, which in two of his three races were closer to, he went back to shore upstate. He was going to win by double digits anyway. And I just repeatedly see this with Republicans, and it's, it's tragic. But, you know, you said it before, and it's really very true. The people who make the most in this business, folks, and make, the decisions for consulting, they don't. They're not necessarily the smartest, they're not necessarily the brightest. You know, they're not always the best talent. And I hate to say that because I do like one of the guys on his team a lot. I'm actually really surprised that he threw this Hail Mary. I would not have expected him to panic and do that. But here we are.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, same. Well, and last question for your Paris. because you mentioned Florida, the governor's race is closer, I think, than anyone expected, potentially. Where do you see Florida going?
Rich Baris Yeah, I think. And I don't want to give anyone. I don't want to insert complacency here at all. I just think that, so far, I, it is closer and it's again, an indication of maybe how much, you know, the country is going to swing. But I do think Byron Donald is going to pull it out.
Rich Baris I do. I just. I don't want to give anyone any false. You have to go and vote. Go and vote. Don't listen to Rich about whether or not it's a shoo in. I'm not saying it's a shoe in. I just think that it is still a very heavy lift, for Democrats in the state of Florida. They would need more defections than what we're seeing here. And we are seeing defections, but it's not as. It's not big enough right now. And one thing I do, and again, don't overanalyze the early vote, but one thing I do see in Florida that I like, that I'm not seeing everywhere else, except for maybe Arizona, is that Republicans are doing a better job getting the low propensity out. Democrats are still doing a better job. But that means, folks, you want to get those low propensity Voters out in the early vote because they're much harder to get to vote later. So you want to leave your reliable voters until election Day. And Republicans still have a big election day culture. Florida, so I think he's, he's going to be okay. But the fact it's even this close, again, it tells you something. It really does. And, you know, we really have to have this election no matter how it stands. Even if Republicans outperform. We really need to have a conversation and refocus and, you know, rediscover, you know, what it is that made us, you know, the winning coalition. It was in 24. And get back to that because, you know, the clock is always ticking.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, so well said. And we've got to take a break here, but, absolutely, because Trump is not going to be in office, going into 2028, and, you know, he's not going to be the one who's on the ballot. And we've got to focus on, you know, where does the country head after, the Trump era? And it's good to see though that maybe, in some of the states, especially like Florida, where there's a lot of chatter on social media, social media about, you know, defections and some of those things that maybe, you know, online isn't really reality. And that's why the work that, you know, Rich does, is so important. And again, you can follow him on X at the People's Pundit and also get his brand new book, burn it down and we will be right back with more. We're living in a defining moment in history. Today, a woman facing an unexpected pregnancy can order the abortion pill online, often before anyone has had the chance to tell her she is loved, that she's not alone, or that there is hope. That's why you are needed right now. You were made for this moment. At ah, preborn network clinics, mothers are welcomed with compassion, practical support and a free ultrasound. And when she sees her baby and hears that tiny heartbeat for the very first time, fear often gives way to hope. In fact, more than 80% of abortion vulnerable women choose life after seeing their baby on an ultrasound. At a PreBorn Network clinic. That one moment can save a baby's life life and open a mother's heart to the hope of Jesus Christ. This is our moment to stand. For those who cannot speak for themselves, just $28 provides one life saving ultrasound. $140 helps rescue five babies. Please don't wait. Dial pound 250 and say the keyword baby that's pound 250 baby. Or give [email protected] afr that's preborn.com afr Together we can save lives one heartbeat at a time. Welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis Welcome back. Well, for all of the discussion that we have, and it's good to know where we stand, what the polls say, what the projections are, and everybody has their opinions on, what the GOP or the left and the Democrats are doing. That's right, wrong and, you know, and otherwise. And those things are all important to discuss. We have to remember to bring it back to the biblical worldview and the fact that voting is stewardship of our duty and responsibility before the Lord, to exercise our citizenship and to take advantage of the heritage that America has blessed us with. Because in other countries we don't get to select and prefer our leaders. And even though, you may be discouraged or not, like a specific candidate or ballot issue or whatever, and those things, again, are very important, we do have to remember what we're doing for the greater good of the country, but also in our individual Christian lives. And so that's been the overall message that, Walker Wildmon here at American Family association and with AFA Action has, been telling listeners, especially with the, the I Voter Guide initiative, to help, to inform voters what are the issues that you should be concerned about that are on your ballots and how can you make a plan to vote. And so Walker joins us now. good morning. And I think it's so important, like I said, Walker, you know, what we're all doing to, to try to bring it back to the biblical worldview, not get so caught up in the politics and, you know, maybe the, the mainstream commentary about it and to really bring it back to citizenship.
Walker Wildmon Yeah, absolutely. Good morning, Jenna. Thanks for having me on the program. And, yeah, I wanted to, highlight a couple things, and you're exactly right. the biblical mandate of stewardship applies to voting as well and civics and civic engagement. And so any type of mentality that says, you know, I need to check out or I need to sit this one out or I'm mad, so I'm not going to vote, that's just not biblical. That's all there is to it. And I think this culture and the fact that we do have people sitting on the sidelines is just indicative of where our culture is spiritually, which is not in a very good place. And so we've got a lot to learn there. for the country when it comes to, consistently, doing the right thing and voting is no different here. I did want to highlight a couple things and of course we can talk about I voter guide and the fact that people need to show up and vote, regardless of, you know, how they feel about the mood of the country, if you will. but I have been listening to your show, Jenna, and I am a big fan. I wanted to highlight a couple things, a couple accomplishments. Pretty big deal that the Trump administration has accomplished over the past few years that I don't think is being highlighted enough. I don't think that voters, and even the campaigns are doing a good enough job communicating some of the successes that have, have been had. The first thing that I wanted to highlight is the tax cuts. President Trump, with Republicans, they were able to make permanent the 2017 tax cuts. That's a big deal for American families. The other thing that they were able to do, that they just couldn't get done the first term, was fully funding the wall. that was, we fought tooth and nail the first term to get just, you know, pennies for the wall, and they were able to fully fund it with billions of dollars, just last year. the other thing is mass deportations. I mean, we're seeing levels, of deportations that we haven't seen since probably Obama. the fourth thing is, the federal layoffs of federal employees, the shrinking of the bureaucracy. We're at the lowest number of federal employees since like the 1950s or 1960s. That's a big deal for conservative voters. And then lastly, President Trump and Republicans were able to defund abortion providers for 12 months through Medicaid reimbursements. That was a wish list item for the pro life community that with previous Republicans, we could never get across the finish line. And so I'll say all that to say that the Republicans and President Trump, maybe they haven't done enough. And, you know, a lot of people could debate the Iran war, interest rates, mortgage rates, inflation, and there's some validity in all of those topics. but you compare what President Trump and Republicans have been able to do, even though we all could agree they could do more versus what they're up against, and that is the Democrat socialists which want to destroy the country. So we've got a very, there's a very wide space in between the two parties and the two worldviews when it comes to what's on the ballot this November. And you're also electing, your local, your state governor. You're also electing your state attorney general, you're electing your mayor. I mean, there's just so many positions up and down the ballot, that voters don't need to get tunnel vision that this is just all about Trump or all about a US Senator. There's just so much on the ballot this November and we want people to be engaged and to show up and vote.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, it's so well said. And it is important to highlight those accomplishments because if you compare, maybe what, you know, what Trump hasn't done that people prefer, he would do more compared to what Kamala Harris would have done, there's just, there's no comparison. And so, you know, every election is the most important election because it will determine the next, you know, two years of what policies go through, what things are barred, and also the state and local elections that absolutely matter. And, you know, you're talking, Walker, about, you know, some of the people who say, well, I'm going to sit this out or I'm disaffected. And at least here in Florida, you know, one of the key things that everybody's talking about is how Byron Donalds ran his primary campaign with basically a coronation from Trump and he didn't debate. And I openly, personally, you know, disagreed with that. But he is the nominee. And a lot of people who are conservatives who would have otherwise voted for the Republican ticket are now saying that they're going to sit it out. And that's inexplicable to me. And I wonder, do you think that there is too much of an overemphasis on the right generally about individualism and saying, you know, this is for you and your family, this is what, you know, I want to live my American dream and being so focused on individual rights and protections that somehow we sometimes miss the opportunities where we can have more of a team player mentality? Because the left seems to be very good at that. And obviously we don't want to have a collectivism sort of, you know, common good, kind of theory in the same way they do. But there is a space and a time to honestly look at the biblical view of public good, which is civics.
Walker Wildmon Yeah, yeah, you're right. The point, the process that we have in America is quite unique and it's really a gift from God that we shouldn't take for granted. And the process we have is we have a primary process. well, first off, we have a multi party system, but we also have a primary process and then a general process. So a primary election General election, the primary election is the perfect time for conservatives to argue with each other. It's the perfect time for us to debate who has the best ideas and hash that out. the general election is the time for conservatives to come together and pretty much pick which direction you want the country to go. but I do think that our politics has somewhat become rather petty, to be honest, and we could point fingers at who's responsible for this. But ultimately, this problem has been around for a long time. I mean, I remember, hearing stories about, you know, debating the Bush administration and how he wasn't pro life enough and he wasn't in favor of one man, one woman, marriage enough. And there were all these debates even going on during the Bush era, about how they could have been more conservative. And so these factions within parties has been around for a long, long time. Well, from the very beginning, there was factions within different parties from the very founding. And so we're going to have these debates. I think it's healthy for the country, I think it's healthy for our process to have these debates. but at the end of the day, the point is, when you get to a place where you're so dissatisfied and so disgruntled that you disengage from the whole process, that's what I have a problem with. I have no problem with people debating policies, no problem with primary voters, you know, voting for different candidates in the primary for different reasons. But when people get so into this, are really so disengaged that they say, I'm just not going to vote, that's a fundamental problem that I can biblically say that is wrong. You should not do that. we have to be engaged. And to your point, the left is very good at coalition building. Now here, since Obama left, President Obama left, they've been more splintered in the sense that you've got the socialists versus, you know, the more establishment types in the Democrat Party. So they have had some party spats, but at the end of the day, they always seem to come together. So I think we can learn some lessons from that. but we also just have to keep fighting because this is not going to be something where we, can turn this country around in two or four years, or even eight years. It's taken 50 to 70 years for the left to take their Marxist march down our institutions. And so if we lose one election, for example, if conservatives and Republicans have a bad day next Tuesday, we don't need to throw up our hands and go, well, the country's Gone. You know, I even heard somebody say the other day that, you know, I think our country's only got four years left. Well, first off, what does that even mean, our country's only got four years left? And does that mean that if we don't, quote, take back the country after four years, we're going to just throw our hands up and give up? No, we just have to diligently and daily do the right thing as Christians and leave the results up to God. And so what I like to tell people is that I'm going to vote and I'm going to keep fighting for the right thing in our country until I don't have the ability or the life or the rights to do it anymore.
Jenna Ellis Yeah, amen to that. Absolutely. And you know, my dad, who's full of wisdom, always says that if you don't vote, then you forfeited the right to complain. And I think that's so true. In this sense, you have to be a participant, not just a spectator and, you know, kind of being that armchair umpire instead of actually using the privileges, the duties and the responsibilities that God has given us, here in America to participate in our government. And of course there are a lot of things that we can critique, complain about, rightly, you know, all of those things. But at the end of the day, we need to be participants because of that stewardship. And it's so important that we recognize that for all of the conversations that we have about politics, policy, candidates, ballot issues, all of that, at the end of the day, we need to be responsible before the Lord, to actually engage in the process. And this is why I, so appreciate Walker AFA Action I voter Guide for informing voters so that you can have confidence in knowing that you are voting your values all the way down ballot. so you can, you can definitely use that resource at ivoter Guide and everything also at AFA Action. So we're about a week out. We'll see how this goes. We're already out of time, but Walker Wildmon, thanks so much and as always, you can reach me and my team. Jennaafr.net. PreBorn has rescued over 400,000 babies from abortion and every day their network clinics rescue 200 babies lives. Will you join preborn in loving and supporting young moms in crisis? Save a life today. Go to preborn.com afr.
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