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Artificial Intelligence Headlines: Safety Concerns, Regulatory Debates, and Presidential Stances
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Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Tuesday, September 15, and artificial intelligence is leading the headlines again this morning with AI leaders, warning of safety dangers and asking for guardrails. As President Trump says there's no need for any guardrails as long as he is in the White House. Well, you know, he's not actually going to be in the White House that much longer. So you know, that while that may be a, an argument for the next couple of years, it really definitely does need some questioning of how exactly are we going about regulating artificial intelligence. So you know, let's start with at least Sam Altman's premise, who is the CEO, of course of OpenAI. And he says when the CEOs of companies build the most powerful AI systems, there is a genuine possibility that humanity could lose control of them. And, and so should we take that warning literally? Well, let's welcome in Oren McIntyre who is a host at the Blaze. And Oren, you know the AI conversation is always fascinating to me, on so many different levels, whether it's from the regulatory angle, whether it's the ethical angle, whether it's just the usage and the progress into technology angle. And so when you know, President Trump is, is kind of blasting this as a literally his words, quote unquote, saying conspiracy, that, that seems a little over dramatic in my view. But on the same side, humanity totally losing control and kind of, you know, this rise of the machines and you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger somewhere in the background. I would be back. You know this, this seems like everybody needs to Kind of take a breath for a moment and say, okay, where should the guardrails actually be?
AI in Warfare: The US-China Race, Strategic Advantages, and Potential Dangers of Unchecked Development
Auron MacIntyre : Yeah, you have a pretty obvious scenario where America and China are racing to the end of this thing. it's very clear that AI is going to change a lot about how we live our lives. But I think the reason that most states are very, very interested in it is its application in warfare. We already know that during the Iran war the United States is using artificial intelligence and it's only going to become more and more important to the battlefield when it comes to putting together targeting packages and coordinating, a number of different things. Will it be as revolutionary as drones and other things on the battlefield that have really shaped combat and you know, kind of the new paradigm? Hard to know. But it does seem that it's going to continue to accelerate development and make a big splash there. Of course it has all kinds of other implications that are very important. But for countries, the sovereignty that comes with superior warfare is definitely going to be the driving factor. so it's no surprise that President Trump and several other people in the space really want it to be, you know, hands off when it comes to development. They want to make sure that there's no reason why they're going to fall behind China when it comes to creating what might be the most important technology in our current time. That said, we've already seen really dangerous things that could come out of AI. we know that AI basically was able to break out and without being instructed hack, you know, do a hacking attack on another website, another service and you know, if you can have something like that that's completely undirected by those who are operating, you know, kind of AI, then you wonder what else it can do without their input. And so there's real difficulty here where any constriction on the development of AI might set you back behind a near peer competitor. But not having any kind of restriction, might ultimately lead to mistakes.
The Global AI Competition: Near-Peer Threats, National Security, and the Dilemma of Regulation vs. Innovation
Even if you don't think that I ultimately will become some kind of super intelligence that rules the world. Simple mistakes that impact your entire computer, system, you know, maybe impact the electrical grid or something else that's entirely dependent on technology. Well that could be a huge deal even if the AI isn't doing something. That's incredible when it comes to like, you know, becoming this hyper intelligent thing.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And in the China angle is really fascinating because there is a, an urgency to that and we obviously need to be careful, but at the same time if China overtakes America in terms of their development and we don't get some sort of regulatory scheme in place, then you know, that can have impacts for national security down the road. But how do we how do we negotiate that in a world setting rather than just you know, where a lot of the debate has been concentrated on federal versus state guardrails?
Auron MacIntyre : Well you have a very serious issue and you know this is in political theory this is called the tank problem. You know, once one country has to develop a type of technology, everybody else has to follow suit whether they want to or not. It doesn't matter if we think the development of the tank is ultimately going to be dangerous or the nuclear weapon. Once one country has it, every other country has to have it. And so this is the problem of kind of near peer competition and superpowers is you can say that you're worried about the danger of technology, you might be right about the danger of technology. But the most dangerous thing would be leaving a dangerous technology solely in the hands of your competitors. We know that China is not ultimately going to restrict its development and without that bilateral restriction on development, without those bilateral guardrails, it really doesn't matter what we place on ourselves. It'll only be a one way handicap.
AI's Perceived Dangers and Corporate Motivations for Regulation: Liability and Regulatory Capture Concerns
Now personally I think AI is very dangerous technology. I am the kind of person who thinks that AI can go all kinds of very dangerous places, and will have a negative impact on our society. But again the question is, but does that mean that you just let China have that technology and that's really what we're up against. The larger question is why do they want this restriction now? Why do large AI companies, some suddenly want this restriction? Do we really think that they just figured out that it could be dangerous? I think the more likely answer to that question is that they're fishing around for some regulatory capture while they're ahead of other companies. Not that they just discovered that the product they're producing might have some downsides.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and potentially they're just concerned about liability as well. I mean we're seeing a lot of other increases in you know, some instances where obviously you know, Chat, GPT or others have, have gone way too far in in encouraging in encouraging violence and encouraging you know, self harm, you know, some of these other things. And so you know, even outside of the national security conversation, even just you know, some of these regulations over you know, some of the, the content and some of the output, really does matter. And so, you know, where, where do you think the administration is coming from? Because, you know, J.D. vance called the industry's push for regulation potentially a Trojan horse, probably for the, along the similar lines that you just mentioned and that regulatory capture. But Trump doesn't seem all that concerned at all. And, and neither does a very aging Congress as well. I mean, I, I find this to be interesting to see the differences between kind of the younger demographic versus, you know, these older regulators, who in my view may not even really understand the technology.
Auron MacIntyre : I don't think anyone really understands the technology, even the people who are making it. you know, we, we hear constantly from the people who are developing AI that it is actually going to become super intelligent and take over the world and it's extremely dangerous while they continue to build it and push as hard as possible. So it's a very contradictory message across the board.
Congressional Inaction on AI Regulation and Economic Implications of the AI Boom
that said, yeah, it's clear that obviously Congress is going to do the worst job possible, if, anything at all, when it comes to regulating this, because they're just wildly out of touch about where this technology is going, as they are with pretty much every other subject under the sun. I think you're probably not going to see a lot of push from the Trump administration for regulation for two reasons. One, everything we just said about China and the fact that ultimately China is not going to regulate itself. So why tie the American ability to develop behind its hands artificially when you know that your competitor is not going to do the same? And two, the AI bubble is propping up the American economy right now. the American economy would not be doing very well if it was not for artificial intelligence. And so there's no reason that Trump would want to cool down. The only thing that's really keeping the economy afloat during his presidency, you know, he's very aware about how critical a good economy is, to his ability to govern and, you know, maybe by some miracle maintain a majority through midterms. If you go out of your way to cool off that sector of the economy, then you're obviously going to be hurting the Trump presidency as well.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah.
Christian Worldview on AI: Anthropomorphism, Simulated Humanity, and the Dangers of Confusing AI with Personhood
And, you know, all these questions are so fascinating and really need, to, to be contemplated very seriously. And from a Christian worldview perspective, I mean, I can imitate language, reasoning and even aspects of human personality. I mean, ah, anthropomorphizing machines and essentially confusing simulated human behavior with actual human personhood. And this is where we kind of get into this whole transhumanism Debate and taking the human analysis out of it. And obviously, you know, chat GBT is human created, so there are minds behind the technology. But how careful do we need to be, with this type of technology that can mimic, ah, human behavior and, and how we're utilizing it?
Auron MacIntyre : Yeah, I think it's really important. Again people, I have my own opinion on what I think the capacity of AI could be. But the important thing is, even if it just is a sophisticated chat bot like a lot of people claim it will be, it's just a parrot that's saying things back to people that other people have already told it to say. Ultimately we have to understand that it is that anthropomorization that you're describing that's really critical. when you have this type of technology that mimics the way that people talk. Well, you know, it's one thing to see something on a screen. It's very different to be in dialogue with it. For us, that represents logos. That's how we identify with something that has a divine spark. And so even if it's artificial entirely, people respond to it in a specific way. It, it trains us to ultimately treat Chad, GPT or an AI in general as something that is insold. And I think this is where things get very dangerous. You know, people are lonely, people are embracing the simulacrum of so many things because our, you know, current, modern world just leaves them stranded. And so when they run into something that seems human, that seems to be responding like a human being, even if they think, okay, this is artificial, it will ultimately kind of draw them towards treating it in that manner.
The Psychological Impact of AI Interaction: Mimicking Human Dialogue and the Risk of Misplaced Trust
I think that's the most dangerous thing. Not just what AI will become, but what it will do to us, how it will train us to respond to things that are fundamentally not human.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and it's such a good point. And I think we've been conditioned as, as a culture and as a society through the increase in the online communication where we've been communicating for years now with other human beings through text messages, through chat rooms, through emails and the other side and the responder has been human. And so then when we move into the AI sort of chatbot arena, when we're getting what sounds like, you know, these are full sentences, this is a dialogue. It's not just return information, like you click on links and you read articles, you know, like a search engine, but you actually get more of a personalized response. It's really easy to forget sometimes that you're not talking to another human being on the other side. I mean, this is something that sounds human in terms of its dialogue and rationality, but ultimately it's not. It's the same thing, as a search engine, just in terms of, of how, how the response is not actually a human being on the other side. And I think, for a lot of Christians especially, but I think for every human, we have to be really careful to not confuse the two. And you know, there have been, studies and even just, you know, examples of people I personally, know who've used Chat GPT or others. you know, others, that's the main one that, that I like, so I keep referring to that one. But there's a lot of other AI, you know, Claude and Grok and and others. But you know, they'll use these AI as, as therapists or as friends or as, you know, mentors. And this gets into really dangerous territory.
Regulation vs. Individual Responsibility in AI Use: Comparing AI to Occult Practices
And so, you know, should regulation ultimately cover some of those potential pitfalls or is it more on, each of us individually to make sure that, you know, we use this technology in a confined manner that doesn't cross some of those ethical boundaries or, you know, where should this conversation ultimately go?
Auron MacIntyre : Well, unfortunately, I don't think regulation is going to do much when it comes to people talking to, the AI. I think that, that, that is going to be the most basic function it's going to have. Either way, regulation would only keep it from doing things like, you know, developing the level of independence to go hack systems and that thing kind of thing on its own. It's not going to stop people from asking Chad GPT for advice. you know, obviously in many cases it's going to be about our ability to resist using this technology. And I, you know, really put it in a very simple way for a lot of people. You would never sit there and as a Christian, use a Ouija board because you know that, you know, talking to a disembodied intelligence and asking it for answers is an occult activity. That's very clear to you immediately. Why is AI any different?
The Dangers of Communing with Ununderstood AI and the Need for Biblical Worldview Assessment
It's a disembodied intelligence that you're casting into the void, speaking to as if it is divinely ensouled and looking for answers. I think that that's just as dangerous and for all the same reasons. This is why ultimately I think that Chad GPT or any other AI will have serious impacts on how people live their lives if for no other reason they're communing with something they simply don't understand.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, we have to take a break here, but, Orin McIntyre is going to stick with me through the break, because we have some other headlines as well to get to. But you know, this is where, to your point, Orin, absolutely.
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Christians need to always be aware and and know where the pitfalls are of these types of technologies where we, we can utilize the good of advancing technology, and not just, you know, outright dismiss it as, you know, oh, this is just, you know, the newfangled idea, but, but see where the benefits might be. But always assess, things like usage and even government regulation and these regulatory schemes in light of Scripture, we always need to be aware and advancing the biblical worldview and all that we do. So we will be right back with more here on Jenna Ellis in the Morning. M
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Political Controversy Over University Diversity: Accusations of Racism and Immigration Concerns in Texas Politics
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And I'm still here with my special guest this morning, Orin McIntyre at the Blaze. And I wanted to get your take on another, just interesting headline that kind of went viral on X. So Beau French, who's been a guest multiple times on this program and is a candidate for Texas's railroad commissioner, this coming from Wallnua Street Journal. So this is kind of their view of the story, but they say is testing the boundaries of political speech in a moment when both parties are struggling to define what, what should be off limits. So on Saturday night, the University of Texas won a thrilling evening football game over the Ohio State University Buckeyes. And on Sunday, French posted a photograph of, non white UT fans cheering for their team. And he wrote, quote, I heard UT graduation this year looked like this. I didn't believe it. The problem is now obviously far worse than anyone imagined. And that's when all of the controversy, broke loose. And Wallnua Street Journal used a different term. I won't say on air, but, Senator Jon Cornyn, the Republican who lost his primary to Ken Paxton earlier this year, attacked French's post. And Cornyn just seems really, you know, kind of the sore loser at this point. But he got involved and said, quote, this is the Republican nominee for statewide office. Are other Republican Elected officials going to condemn the intolerance and racism or, or look the other way while it becomes normalized. This is how great political parties self destruct. Sad, unquote. And a number of other Texas Republican Republicans joined Cornyn in condemning French. French later suggested that foreign born students were flooding the flagship university. but state law does require 90% of UT freshmen to be in state. So in a radio interview, not on this program, on a different one Monday, French did not back down, saying, it's no surprise that less conservative people in Texas are the ones attacking me. So, Paxton and also James Talarico, of course, the two candidates for Senate out of Texas, waded into the matter and predictably used it to attack each other.
GOP's Fear of Leftist Accusations and the Impact of Immigration on American Identity and Culture
So this has kind of been a mess. But, what, what ultimately do you make of, of the initial controversy, Warren?
Auron MacIntyre : I think it shows us that the GOP is still terrified of the left and will do literally anything to appease them. the fact that all of these people, you know, it wasn't just, you know, Cornyn, it was a large number of, you know, the state, state reps, state senators, you know, all these people in the GOP in Texas who decided to jump on this bandwagon and, condemn both French and, and it's just stunning that at this point we still have to do this. We still have to treat the GOP to not go running and screaming like terrified children every time someone says the word racist. Beau, French made a very simple, observation, one that literally anyone who goes to Texas regularly will see. Every time I travel to the Blaze's office in Dallas, it's just nothing but Indian immigrants. You don't know if you're in India or Pakistan, but you're not in Texas. Everyone has seen this transformation, and it's okay to notice that. It's okay to say this is not something that we want. We're currently having a debate over immigration. We've largely solved the issue of illegal immigration when it comes to closing the border. Hopefully President Trump is able to make that a more permanent feature, but it's something that his administration has done very well. But we're also addressing the issue of legal immigration. And the number one way that we see this abused is, is the H1B visa. Indians have a 70% entry rate when it comes to H1Bs. Now, I'm sorry, but it's very clear that 70% of the world's exceptional talent doesn't live in India. So what's going on there? Well, it's a racial, it's a racial cartel that is trying to push as many Indian immigrants into the United States as possible by selecting their ethnic kin through the H1B process. This is an abuse at every level of the immigration system and it's being transformational in many places. You should not be seeing giant demons, you know, monkey demons being worshipped in a huge statue in the middle of Texas. You know, this is the United States. We do not need that here. And it's okay to notice that.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and I fully agree with you that it is okay to notice that.
National Conversation on Immigration: Addressing Ethnic Differences and Overcoming Fear of Accusations
And it's okay to have this conversation, especially in the midst of time, talking about, illegal immigration, talking about where the majority of these people are coming from, when we're talking about, you know, whether it's ah, Somalis, you know, up in Michigan, whether it's you know, Muslims in a lot of the other parts of the country, especially in NewSong York, you know, whether it's, it's Indians in Texas. I mean, this is something that we need to have a national conversation about. And the knee jerk reaction of the left and increasingly, even some of the scaredy cats maybe on the right are, well, if you notice that there's a difference in ethnicity, then automatically you're a racist. Well, that's completely not true. And I thought we kind of debunked this, you know, back in 2015, 2016 when that was the knee jerk reaction to anything that Trump said about building the wall or you know, anything related, to closing the border. And so when, when we're trying to have these conversations on the right, but the right immediately condemns anyone like a Beau French who is talking about this, then it seems like we're just not asserting our position because we're yielding to the over dramatization on the left and we're being silenced because they're calling us names instead of actually saying, you know, basically, shut up, sit down, we're going to have this conversation anyway. And that's what I would have liked to see from Republicans. I mean that's what Trump did pretty successfully was just say, I don't care what you call me, we're having this conversation anyway. But it seems like so many people on the right still haven't gotten that memo or for some reason they just still want to either be loved by the left or they just are so terrified of being branded a racist. I mean, why?
The Republican Party's Reaction to Accusations and the Concept of Anti-White Discrimination
Auron MacIntyre : Yeah, it really is ridiculous. I mean we've seen decades and decades of the left leveling this accusation falsely. We all know that they do it at the drop of the hat without any evidence. We're all familiar about how this terminology is abused. And yet still, over and over again, the Republicans act as if some magical spell has been cast. And now the left gets to win because they said the word racist. And, you know, I'm really glad that Kim Paxton, str stood up against this and actually pushed back and said no. What we're pointing out here is anti white discrimination. The fact that we know that many of these schools ultimately set up their standards to allow in people who otherwise would not enter, but, simply based on the color of their skin or their gender or their sexual orientation. We know that often the native population of the United States is shut out of opportunities because universities prefer foreign students on a regular basis.
Shifting Tides on Political Discourse: Voters Tired of Racist Accusations and Demanding Open Conversations
We know all these things, and we're not going to back away from it. So I'm very glad Ken Paxton took a stand on it. I'm very glad that Beau French did not back away from what he said. And we really have to punish GOP members who go out and do something like this. I think pretty much every single Republican politician in Texas who spoke out against Beau French was getting absolutely ratioed, on Twitter when they did it. So, you know, that that's not always an indicator. But I think the level of pushback across every single person who took this stance really shows that the tides have shifted under their feet. They're completely out of touch with where the base is, where the average voter is. I think the average, Republican voter at this point is tired of the abuse of the word racist. They're ready to step over this word and actually have this discussion.
Pushing Back Against Political Correctness: Silencing Critics and the Rise of Base Support
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, 100%. And I think that if we've learned anything in the last 10 years, and one of the great things that, came out of the Trump era is an ability to just push back against all of the political correctness that was coming from the left that was not for, you know, having a more civil debate. It was really intended to silence critics. I mean, that's, that's all that this sort of PC culture was intended to do, was to say we couldn't have these conversations, otherwise, you know, you, you're just, you're racist or you, you have, you know, all of these other kinds of accusations that are thrown at you inst the merit of the policy and those types of conversations. And I think with the rise of a lot of the immediate sort of, response from a lot of, you know, the voters and a lot of the base, for online that can be a really good, and hopefully helpful bolster to people like Paxton and French to say, okay, at least, you know, the base is with you and we get it and we see through this and we want to have these conversations.
DHS and ICE Effectiveness: Stealth Deportations and Media Silence on Immigration Enforcement
And so, you know, as, as we're analyzing, you know, all of this, you know, let's actually have that conversation of where we're at, now with dhs, with ice, with deportations, with, you know, looking at securing the border. it's really interesting to me now that Kristi Noem is no longer the head of DHS and you have Mark Wayne Mullin. how the we don't hear a lot in the news anymore about ICE or about, you know, the Department of Homeland Security. Is that because he's not being as effective as Kristi Noem was, or just because the left is, you know, the, the kind of complaint du jour is different today?
Auron MacIntyre : Well, the assertion by the Trump administration is the reason that we're seeing less of this in the press is that ICE has gotten better at stealth deporting people, that it's gotten better at doing this in a low key manner that doesn't draw attention, that they're forcing more people out through soft means when it comes to encouraging self deportations. And so that's why we're not seeing it. I'm going to be honest, I'm a little worried when I hear something like that, because the truth is I think that the left, that the media would be doing everything they could to get those deportations challenged in the court of public opinion if they were occurring. I don't think that the press is being kind to the Trump administration or, you know, otherwise just kind of playing along. I think that if we were really getting a high number of deportations, we would see the press, you know, putting that out there, complaining about it, that kind of thing. I think they would be trying to cause as much of a ruckus as possible to stop the Trump administration from doing something effectively.
Concerns Over Immigration Enforcement Transparency and the Need for Domestic Policy Focus
so the fact that we've heard no noise really from the press when it comes to deportations recently I think is more of a concern than anything else. I would love to see hard numbers from the administration about where we're at, so that we can have more confidence in our position. But my first instinct would be, you know, since we've heard nothing but Mullin be, very, very soft on immigration even after taking that position. I'm not really encouraged by the fact that the Press is not pushing back in any way.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I tend to agree with you that it's not, that the press has suddenly eased up on Trump on this issue. I mean, if there were something, going on that they wanted to criticize, they would, because that's totally their M.O. but, you know, this is one of the things that, regardless, of how the midterms shape up, this, is one of the issues that the administration can take, you know, unilateral action on. And everybody is saying, okay, well, after the midterms, either way, you know, Trump is going to be this lame duck president, because he's heading into his last two years, but he could, take advantage of the executive power to the, Obviously to the constitutional limit, but, you know, really enforce some of these things that he can do with or without Congress. And I would love to see, you know, some of these things, the domestic issues be the focus rather than, you know, talking still about Iran and a lot of this other foreign policy stuff.
Pre-Midterm Priorities: Addressing Voter Enthusiasm Through Action on Domestic Issues and Immigration
So, you know, hopefully, maybe that'll be the trend of the administration after the midterms.
Auron MacIntyre : I mean, that would be great. I don't see how, you know, the very likely scenario is that they're going to lose the midterms, and then the Democrats are going to have control of the House and they're going to launch a thousand investigations and articles of impeachment and do everything they can to slow the Trump administration down. So if there was any time to focus on domestic priorities and get it done, it would be before the midterms and not after. you know, the idea that doing more will wound you in the midterms is not working for the Trump administration. their lack of action in many areas is what's reducing voter enthusiasm. If we were seeing a large number of deportations, they might say, oh, well, this is going to get us bad press. But if you win an Energizer base, keeping your promises is a good way to get them to turn out to the polls. And right now, I think a lot of people are sitting around saying, my gas is more expensive. This war that I was told is going to last two weeks is now six months old. you know, I don't understand why I'm not getting the deportations that I was promised. Maybe I don't show up to the polls, you know, in November for these Republicans. Now, I think that we're in a scenario where that's a very dangerous play because Democrats are so radical, but without any Action from Trump administration. You can't ultimately blame voters for not showing up.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, you know, we're going to be talking about the midterms, coming up in the next segment, but Oren McIntyre, really appreciate it. And the administration still has, you know, some time, not much, but sometime before midterms to kind of shape up, get that enthusiasm. So we'll see. But, follow Oren McIntyre and the Blaze on X and we will be right back with more.
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Clash of Worldviews: The Left's Desire for Societal Transformation vs. Conservative Preservation of Liberty
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And as we are headed toward November, I've been talking about this, clash between Republicans and Democrats really as not just party specific. This isn't about loyalty to Republicans versus Democrats. this is like in 2024, like in previous elections, even back in 2008 when the rise of the Obama years and the extreme radical progressive left, there are two different versions of reality that the left wants to see America become and the right wants to continue to preserve. And so the right and conservatives in general, that's why we're conservatives, we want conserve reality, we want to conserve a liberty, we want to conserve justice and we want to build a more perfect union on the basis of ordered liberty and morality. And the left wants nothing to do with that. And that's why in every aspect of our civil society, they want to undermine these Principles that are embedded and our, founders wanted to, protect them through our Constitution. And they're trying to undermine that at every turn. And so my friend Todd Starnes is joining the program now, who is the author of a brand new book called the Golden Age, How Trump Saved America.
The Defining Clash of Worldviews in Modern Elections: Beyond Personality Politics to Ideological Battles
And Todd, I think this is such a timely book because if we look even at the last election in 2024, this was the clash. I mean, once, once we got past the primary m, I stopped talking about Trump versus Kamala and I said, you know, this is about two different worldviews. And I think that in every you kind of milestone election, and especially as we continue to see the left become more and more radical, that is how the right is going to have to continue to shape this if we really want to protect America. This isn't about personality politics. This is about worldview.
Historical Ideological Battles: Communism vs. Capitalism and the Role of Religion in Public Square
Todd Starnes: Well, good morning. And I think there is something to that. this is a fight, that has been fought all the way back to Eisenhower. this idea of communism versus capitalism, the American way of life. Eisenhower framed it in a religious context, saying this was really about good versus evil.
Contemporary Fight Against Communism on American Soil and the Role of Christians in Political Discourse
That's what the fight is really about. And of course, it was Eisenhower who really introduced the idea of talking about Christianity in the public Square. that I.D. and that idea and that ideology was then picked up by William F. Buckley Jr. And Ronald Reagan. When you read through many of Reagan's speeches, there's this religious language when he describes fighting the communists. And now here we are, so many years later, and what is old is new again. We are fighting the communists not in the Soviet Union, but right here on American soil. So I think to your point, and I make this argument in the golden age, which by the way, is not a dull, boring policy book. This is a really fun, rip roaring look at what Trump has done for the country and what we as Christians must do to carry on the banner. But I think at the end of the day, Jenna, the challenge is, yes, we do have to, we do have to educate the population on the evils that are coming out of the Democrat Party.
Republican Party Challenges: Educating on Democrat Evils and Translating Promises into Action
But is that going to be enough to drive people to the polling stations? the broader question is what have the Republicans done? I don't think they've done enough, which is why they're targeting the Democrats like they are. if in fact, Donald Trump was on the ballot, I would not be worried in the least because Donald Trump has delivered on his promises. A good many of them, not all, but enough to get himself reelected. If in fact, this was, you know, he was on the ballot, which he is not. So I think that's one of the reasons why the Republicans are in a bit of a pickle right now. and we'll see how things go. You know, the polling data changes and everything, but, it seems as though Republicans are coming around, Jon Thune dumping millions of dollars and to Ken Paxton's race in Texas. So I am slightly optimistic that, the Republicans are going to do well this fall.
The Power of Trump's Brand Loyalty and the Importance of Team Effort in Republican Success
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and. Well, and slight optimism is better than a lot of pessimism. And so, you know, I think that a lot of voters anymore don't really trust the polls because we've seen that in, ah, Trump's, you know, two victories that, the polls were completely off. And, and so that's, that's part of what's interesting here. But Trump even said at the midterm convention last week, you know, just pretend that my name is on the ballot. And I think he gets that, that if his name was on the ballot, you'd see more turnout. And I think Republicans are going to have a little bit of a difficult time because we've been so focused and the MAGA movement has been so focused on building Trump's personal brand loyalty that sometimes that doesn't translate into a team effort. And that's what is really going to be tested here. And, you know, it's interesting that, when you say that, you know, all the way back to Eisenhower, you know, calling these ideologies evil, that's accurate and that's true. But a lot of, Democrats and, you know, leftist pundits and stuff will say, oh, well, you know, this, how dare you call that evil?
Labeling Ideologies as Evil: The Need to Express Truth About Communism's Harmful Nature
And, you know, you're just bigoted and all these other, all these other names. But truly, the ideology itself can rightly be termed as evil. And I don't think we actually express that enough in conservative political circles. We almost say that, you know, oh, well, these are just two different views of the economy or two different views of America.
Todd Starnes: Well, and I wrote a chapter about this one issue in the Golden Age, when you look at, at the ideology, and this communist ideology has really been infused into our nation's, education system from kindergarten all the way through college and going all the way back to 2015.
Infusion of Communist Ideology in Education: Limiting Free Speech and Justifying Violence Against Opponents
There was a study done by Pew Research, and that study found that about 40% of millennials at the time believe there should be limitations on free speech. Now, since then, other polls have been done that showed increases in the numbers of People who felt like speech they found offensive should be curtailed. The most recent polling showed a shocking number of gen zers who now believe that it's perfectly okay to use violence to stop speech that you find offensive. Over 30% say it should be rare, but they're okay using violence to shut down speech they object with. And that is why Charlie Kirk got killed. this is a very dangerous thing. This is coming right out of the communist playbook to not only silence your opponents, but, also kill them. And that's where we are at in this country right now. So, yeah, it is absolutely evil and we have to address this. But Jenna, there's another ideological battle being fought, and that is within the Republican Party.
Internal Republican Party Factions: Establishment, Populists, and Evangelicals in Ideological Struggle
and that is a very dangerous situation because right now you have three factions. You've got the establishment, you have the populist, and you have the evangelicals. And I hate to break this to my fellow evangelicals, but we are not doing very well in the fight right now. We sort of been shoved aside and all of that started back in 2024 during the GOP platform, fights. So, you know, we're going to have a big ideological battle moving into 2028.
Evangelicals' Tactical Mistake in Politics: Seeking Access Over Preaching Truth to Power
That's, that'll probably heat up. We're starting to see, some of the skirmishes, Jon Thune stopping a lot of the president's agenda that's coming out of the establishment side. They know he's going to be a lame duck president. So this is going to be interesting to watch. But Christians need to pay very close attention here. And here's the problem with Christians, Jenna, in the political movement, they made a tactical mistake because their idea was we need access to power when in fact they should have been in Washington preaching truth to power.
Jenna Ellis: And what, what a great observation. And it's so true because, well, you know, access is, is necessary at times to advance your agenda. That should never come at the sake of watering down or silencing truth or compromising on things that that you can't compromise on. I mean, politics in general is sometimes, you know, a game of negotiation.
Compromising Principles: The GOP Platform's Abandonment of Evangelical Values and the Need for Awakening
And and that can be, okay in some circumstances. I mean, you need to negotiate some of this stuff. But what we saw in 2024 with the, the GOP platform, ah, abandoning a lot of their, their hard fought and long held principles, that are mainly the, the bread and butter of, of the evangelicals and the things that we stand for and fought for. That was really, disconcerting. And I think should have been a bigger moment that Christians woke up and said, well, wait a minute, I think we've gone too far. So how do you see then that we can reverse that and maybe reclaim some of that ground that was lost within, our own movement heading into 2028?
Todd Starnes: Sure. And I lay all of this out. The Strategy in the Golden Age, which is available at, you know, every bookstore in America. You can get it online.
Reclaiming Ground: Resetting Missions for Religious Liberty, Family, and Pro-Life Organizations
I think the key here is for us to really reset and try to come to terms. If we're a religious liberty organization, if we're a family organization, we operate in Washington, we're a pro life organization. Why are we there? What is the point of doing what we're doing? is it to hold fancy conferences, with the same speakers every year? is it to, you know, hold a prayer service inside the Oval Office? why exactly? Why are you there and what are your motives? And I think we've got to understand that our job going all the way back to the founding of the country, our job was to preach, the gospel message. Our job was also to use pulpits around the country to proclaim freedom and liberty.
The Role of Churches in Culture: Proclaiming Freedom and Liberty Through Engaged Ministries
And we have so many churches that have disengaged from the culture. this is one of the reasons why I love American Family association and American Family Radio. They have never wavered from the mission. And that's evident by, you know, how God has blessed this ministry and this organization. We need more people with that mindset, around the country.
Preserving American Values: The Importance of Faith-Based Engagement in Policy and Community
Jenna Ellis: Amen to that. And that's why I love being here, and I totally agree, because we need to continue to push for the values that, that truly make America great. It's not about a personality or it's not just about getting, you know, the R's over the D's elected. It's about making sure that we're actually, preserving and protecting these values for the future and in policy. And, you know, speaking of, of, ah, AFA Action, there was a really interesting, new national study that just came out this week from I voter guide and AFA action with, Dr. George Barna. I don't know if you saw this, Todd, but it found that while 85% of likely voters turn out for the top of the ballot, only 55% vote all the way down. And they abandon the school board, judicial and local races that mostly directly shape their communities. And the reason the data showed isn't apathy. It's that voters can't find information they trust. And I find that so frustrating.
Voter Engagement Challenges: Lack of Trusted Information and Churches' Role in Educating Voters
Because every single community has churches, every single community has Christians, and every single community has Christian voters that should be engaged well ahead of even receiving their ballot or going, to the ballot box. And this shouldn't be 55%. And that just tells me that, that Christians and especially churches just aren't doing their job.
Todd Starnes: Yeah, look, I think that's, that's a fair point. And, again, in the Golden Age, you know, I encourage people to really engage first on the local level.
Engaging at the Local Level: Parents Teaching Children About Freedom and Foundational American Principles
Ronald Reagan said American greatness doesn't start in Washington, it start in the home, around the dinner table. So, you know, I really challenge parents to step up and to take responsibility for teaching their kids about freedom and liberty, teaching their kids about our Founding Fathers and American history. I think that's an important thing for us to do as families in America. And if I could, you know, one of the things I'm really excited about, about the Golden Age, is that, we had a personal endorsement from the President himself, which quite frankly would have been awkward had he not since, the book is about how he saved America. But, the President agrees with the book. Speaker Mike Johnson wrote a really nice endorsement of the book, as did friends like, Pastor Jack Graham, and Jack Hibbs out of Calvary chapel, and, Dr. Robert jeffress out of the First Baptist Church of Dallas. So I'm really excited for people to read this book and to be encouraged. I think we need a couple of good chuckles, and we've got a lot of good chuckles in the book and also some great challenges.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, that's great. And, you know, and the pastors that you mentioned, especially, you know, they're some of the leaders who have been trying to bridge that gap and engage, ah, Christians and the church in, in policy and in our community.
Endorsements for 'The Golden Age': Trump, Johnson, and Pastors Highlight the Book's Importance
Because this isn't just about politics. This isn't just about Trump. This is ultimately about our everyday lives and our American civil society. And the Bible has a lot to say about that. And so, you know, when we're talking about, you know, the, the Golden Age and what actually makes, America. America, it's really encouraging to see that so many, pastors have endorsed this book and are engaged, and we need even more of that. but I, I love, I love this book, Todd. It's called again, the Golden Age, How Trump Saved America. You can get it on Amazon, anywhere books are sold. And President Trump said, Todd Starnes is a fierce defender of freedom and a great patriot.
Biblically Grounded Commentary: The Importance of Choosing News Sources Aligned with Christian Values
He seen, understands, what seen and understands what is happening in our country like few others. what a great endorsement. And, and I think that's absolutely true just in, in the time that you and I have been friends, Todd, I think that your commentary and your view on all of this is not only incisive, but it comes and is grounded from a biblical worldview, which is what's most important. As we are listening to the commentary, and we choose, you know, our sources of where we get our news, we have to make sure that it's biblically grounded and that we can, ultimately translate that into preserving biblical values in society. So I really appreciate it.
The Golden Age by Todd Starnes: A Call to Preserve Biblical Values in Society
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Artificial Intelligence Headlines: Safety Concerns, Regulatory Debates, and Presidential Stances
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Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Tuesday, September 15, and artificial intelligence is leading the headlines again this morning with AI leaders, warning of safety dangers and asking for guardrails. As President Trump says there's no need for any guardrails as long as he is in the White House. Well, you know, he's not actually going to be in the White House that much longer. So you know, that while that may be a, an argument for the next couple of years, it really definitely does need some questioning of how exactly are we going about regulating artificial intelligence. So you know, let's start with at least Sam Altman's premise, who is the CEO, of course of OpenAI. And he says when the CEOs of companies build the most powerful AI systems, there is a genuine possibility that humanity could lose control of them. And, and so should we take that warning literally? Well, let's welcome in Oren McIntyre who is a host at the Blaze. And Oren, you know the AI conversation is always fascinating to me, on so many different levels, whether it's from the regulatory angle, whether it's the ethical angle, whether it's just the usage and the progress into technology angle. And so when you know, President Trump is, is kind of blasting this as a literally his words, quote unquote, saying conspiracy, that, that seems a little over dramatic in my view. But on the same side, humanity totally losing control and kind of, you know, this rise of the machines and you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger somewhere in the background. I would be back. You know this, this seems like everybody needs to Kind of take a breath for a moment and say, okay, where should the guardrails actually be?
AI in Warfare: The US-China Race, Strategic Advantages, and Potential Dangers of Unchecked Development
Auron MacIntyre : Yeah, you have a pretty obvious scenario where America and China are racing to the end of this thing. it's very clear that AI is going to change a lot about how we live our lives. But I think the reason that most states are very, very interested in it is its application in warfare. We already know that during the Iran war the United States is using artificial intelligence and it's only going to become more and more important to the battlefield when it comes to putting together targeting packages and coordinating, a number of different things. Will it be as revolutionary as drones and other things on the battlefield that have really shaped combat and you know, kind of the new paradigm? Hard to know. But it does seem that it's going to continue to accelerate development and make a big splash there. Of course it has all kinds of other implications that are very important. But for countries, the sovereignty that comes with superior warfare is definitely going to be the driving factor. so it's no surprise that President Trump and several other people in the space really want it to be, you know, hands off when it comes to development. They want to make sure that there's no reason why they're going to fall behind China when it comes to creating what might be the most important technology in our current time. That said, we've already seen really dangerous things that could come out of AI. we know that AI basically was able to break out and without being instructed hack, you know, do a hacking attack on another website, another service and you know, if you can have something like that that's completely undirected by those who are operating, you know, kind of AI, then you wonder what else it can do without their input. And so there's real difficulty here where any constriction on the development of AI might set you back behind a near peer competitor. But not having any kind of restriction, might ultimately lead to mistakes.
The Global AI Competition: Near-Peer Threats, National Security, and the Dilemma of Regulation vs. Innovation
Even if you don't think that I ultimately will become some kind of super intelligence that rules the world. Simple mistakes that impact your entire computer, system, you know, maybe impact the electrical grid or something else that's entirely dependent on technology. Well that could be a huge deal even if the AI isn't doing something. That's incredible when it comes to like, you know, becoming this hyper intelligent thing.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And in the China angle is really fascinating because there is a, an urgency to that and we obviously need to be careful, but at the same time if China overtakes America in terms of their development and we don't get some sort of regulatory scheme in place, then you know, that can have impacts for national security down the road. But how do we how do we negotiate that in a world setting rather than just you know, where a lot of the debate has been concentrated on federal versus state guardrails?
Auron MacIntyre : Well you have a very serious issue and you know this is in political theory this is called the tank problem. You know, once one country has to develop a type of technology, everybody else has to follow suit whether they want to or not. It doesn't matter if we think the development of the tank is ultimately going to be dangerous or the nuclear weapon. Once one country has it, every other country has to have it. And so this is the problem of kind of near peer competition and superpowers is you can say that you're worried about the danger of technology, you might be right about the danger of technology. But the most dangerous thing would be leaving a dangerous technology solely in the hands of your competitors. We know that China is not ultimately going to restrict its development and without that bilateral restriction on development, without those bilateral guardrails, it really doesn't matter what we place on ourselves. It'll only be a one way handicap.
AI's Perceived Dangers and Corporate Motivations for Regulation: Liability and Regulatory Capture Concerns
Now personally I think AI is very dangerous technology. I am the kind of person who thinks that AI can go all kinds of very dangerous places, and will have a negative impact on our society. But again the question is, but does that mean that you just let China have that technology and that's really what we're up against. The larger question is why do they want this restriction now? Why do large AI companies, some suddenly want this restriction? Do we really think that they just figured out that it could be dangerous? I think the more likely answer to that question is that they're fishing around for some regulatory capture while they're ahead of other companies. Not that they just discovered that the product they're producing might have some downsides.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and potentially they're just concerned about liability as well. I mean we're seeing a lot of other increases in you know, some instances where obviously you know, Chat, GPT or others have, have gone way too far in in encouraging in encouraging violence and encouraging you know, self harm, you know, some of these other things. And so you know, even outside of the national security conversation, even just you know, some of these regulations over you know, some of the, the content and some of the output, really does matter. And so, you know, where, where do you think the administration is coming from? Because, you know, J.D. vance called the industry's push for regulation potentially a Trojan horse, probably for the, along the similar lines that you just mentioned and that regulatory capture. But Trump doesn't seem all that concerned at all. And, and neither does a very aging Congress as well. I mean, I, I find this to be interesting to see the differences between kind of the younger demographic versus, you know, these older regulators, who in my view may not even really understand the technology.
Auron MacIntyre : I don't think anyone really understands the technology, even the people who are making it. you know, we, we hear constantly from the people who are developing AI that it is actually going to become super intelligent and take over the world and it's extremely dangerous while they continue to build it and push as hard as possible. So it's a very contradictory message across the board.
Congressional Inaction on AI Regulation and Economic Implications of the AI Boom
that said, yeah, it's clear that obviously Congress is going to do the worst job possible, if, anything at all, when it comes to regulating this, because they're just wildly out of touch about where this technology is going, as they are with pretty much every other subject under the sun. I think you're probably not going to see a lot of push from the Trump administration for regulation for two reasons. One, everything we just said about China and the fact that ultimately China is not going to regulate itself. So why tie the American ability to develop behind its hands artificially when you know that your competitor is not going to do the same? And two, the AI bubble is propping up the American economy right now. the American economy would not be doing very well if it was not for artificial intelligence. And so there's no reason that Trump would want to cool down. The only thing that's really keeping the economy afloat during his presidency, you know, he's very aware about how critical a good economy is, to his ability to govern and, you know, maybe by some miracle maintain a majority through midterms. If you go out of your way to cool off that sector of the economy, then you're obviously going to be hurting the Trump presidency as well.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah.
Christian Worldview on AI: Anthropomorphism, Simulated Humanity, and the Dangers of Confusing AI with Personhood
And, you know, all these questions are so fascinating and really need, to, to be contemplated very seriously. And from a Christian worldview perspective, I mean, I can imitate language, reasoning and even aspects of human personality. I mean, ah, anthropomorphizing machines and essentially confusing simulated human behavior with actual human personhood. And this is where we kind of get into this whole transhumanism Debate and taking the human analysis out of it. And obviously, you know, chat GBT is human created, so there are minds behind the technology. But how careful do we need to be, with this type of technology that can mimic, ah, human behavior and, and how we're utilizing it?
Auron MacIntyre : Yeah, I think it's really important. Again people, I have my own opinion on what I think the capacity of AI could be. But the important thing is, even if it just is a sophisticated chat bot like a lot of people claim it will be, it's just a parrot that's saying things back to people that other people have already told it to say. Ultimately we have to understand that it is that anthropomorization that you're describing that's really critical. when you have this type of technology that mimics the way that people talk. Well, you know, it's one thing to see something on a screen. It's very different to be in dialogue with it. For us, that represents logos. That's how we identify with something that has a divine spark. And so even if it's artificial entirely, people respond to it in a specific way. It, it trains us to ultimately treat Chad, GPT or an AI in general as something that is insold. And I think this is where things get very dangerous. You know, people are lonely, people are embracing the simulacrum of so many things because our, you know, current, modern world just leaves them stranded. And so when they run into something that seems human, that seems to be responding like a human being, even if they think, okay, this is artificial, it will ultimately kind of draw them towards treating it in that manner.
The Psychological Impact of AI Interaction: Mimicking Human Dialogue and the Risk of Misplaced Trust
I think that's the most dangerous thing. Not just what AI will become, but what it will do to us, how it will train us to respond to things that are fundamentally not human.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and it's such a good point. And I think we've been conditioned as, as a culture and as a society through the increase in the online communication where we've been communicating for years now with other human beings through text messages, through chat rooms, through emails and the other side and the responder has been human. And so then when we move into the AI sort of chatbot arena, when we're getting what sounds like, you know, these are full sentences, this is a dialogue. It's not just return information, like you click on links and you read articles, you know, like a search engine, but you actually get more of a personalized response. It's really easy to forget sometimes that you're not talking to another human being on the other side. I mean, this is something that sounds human in terms of its dialogue and rationality, but ultimately it's not. It's the same thing, as a search engine, just in terms of, of how, how the response is not actually a human being on the other side. And I think, for a lot of Christians especially, but I think for every human, we have to be really careful to not confuse the two. And you know, there have been, studies and even just, you know, examples of people I personally, know who've used Chat GPT or others. you know, others, that's the main one that, that I like, so I keep referring to that one. But there's a lot of other AI, you know, Claude and Grok and and others. But you know, they'll use these AI as, as therapists or as friends or as, you know, mentors. And this gets into really dangerous territory.
Regulation vs. Individual Responsibility in AI Use: Comparing AI to Occult Practices
And so, you know, should regulation ultimately cover some of those potential pitfalls or is it more on, each of us individually to make sure that, you know, we use this technology in a confined manner that doesn't cross some of those ethical boundaries or, you know, where should this conversation ultimately go?
Auron MacIntyre : Well, unfortunately, I don't think regulation is going to do much when it comes to people talking to, the AI. I think that, that, that is going to be the most basic function it's going to have. Either way, regulation would only keep it from doing things like, you know, developing the level of independence to go hack systems and that thing kind of thing on its own. It's not going to stop people from asking Chad GPT for advice. you know, obviously in many cases it's going to be about our ability to resist using this technology. And I, you know, really put it in a very simple way for a lot of people. You would never sit there and as a Christian, use a Ouija board because you know that, you know, talking to a disembodied intelligence and asking it for answers is an occult activity. That's very clear to you immediately. Why is AI any different?
The Dangers of Communing with Ununderstood AI and the Need for Biblical Worldview Assessment
It's a disembodied intelligence that you're casting into the void, speaking to as if it is divinely ensouled and looking for answers. I think that that's just as dangerous and for all the same reasons. This is why ultimately I think that Chad GPT or any other AI will have serious impacts on how people live their lives if for no other reason they're communing with something they simply don't understand.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, we have to take a break here, but, Orin McIntyre is going to stick with me through the break, because we have some other headlines as well to get to. But you know, this is where, to your point, Orin, absolutely.
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Christians need to always be aware and and know where the pitfalls are of these types of technologies where we, we can utilize the good of advancing technology, and not just, you know, outright dismiss it as, you know, oh, this is just, you know, the newfangled idea, but, but see where the benefits might be. But always assess, things like usage and even government regulation and these regulatory schemes in light of Scripture, we always need to be aware and advancing the biblical worldview and all that we do. So we will be right back with more here on Jenna Ellis in the Morning. M
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Political Controversy Over University Diversity: Accusations of Racism and Immigration Concerns in Texas Politics
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And I'm still here with my special guest this morning, Orin McIntyre at the Blaze. And I wanted to get your take on another, just interesting headline that kind of went viral on X. So Beau French, who's been a guest multiple times on this program and is a candidate for Texas's railroad commissioner, this coming from Wallnua Street Journal. So this is kind of their view of the story, but they say is testing the boundaries of political speech in a moment when both parties are struggling to define what, what should be off limits. So on Saturday night, the University of Texas won a thrilling evening football game over the Ohio State University Buckeyes. And on Sunday, French posted a photograph of, non white UT fans cheering for their team. And he wrote, quote, I heard UT graduation this year looked like this. I didn't believe it. The problem is now obviously far worse than anyone imagined. And that's when all of the controversy, broke loose. And Wallnua Street Journal used a different term. I won't say on air, but, Senator Jon Cornyn, the Republican who lost his primary to Ken Paxton earlier this year, attacked French's post. And Cornyn just seems really, you know, kind of the sore loser at this point. But he got involved and said, quote, this is the Republican nominee for statewide office. Are other Republican Elected officials going to condemn the intolerance and racism or, or look the other way while it becomes normalized. This is how great political parties self destruct. Sad, unquote. And a number of other Texas Republican Republicans joined Cornyn in condemning French. French later suggested that foreign born students were flooding the flagship university. but state law does require 90% of UT freshmen to be in state. So in a radio interview, not on this program, on a different one Monday, French did not back down, saying, it's no surprise that less conservative people in Texas are the ones attacking me. So, Paxton and also James Talarico, of course, the two candidates for Senate out of Texas, waded into the matter and predictably used it to attack each other.
GOP's Fear of Leftist Accusations and the Impact of Immigration on American Identity and Culture
So this has kind of been a mess. But, what, what ultimately do you make of, of the initial controversy, Warren?
Auron MacIntyre : I think it shows us that the GOP is still terrified of the left and will do literally anything to appease them. the fact that all of these people, you know, it wasn't just, you know, Cornyn, it was a large number of, you know, the state, state reps, state senators, you know, all these people in the GOP in Texas who decided to jump on this bandwagon and, condemn both French and, and it's just stunning that at this point we still have to do this. We still have to treat the GOP to not go running and screaming like terrified children every time someone says the word racist. Beau, French made a very simple, observation, one that literally anyone who goes to Texas regularly will see. Every time I travel to the Blaze's office in Dallas, it's just nothing but Indian immigrants. You don't know if you're in India or Pakistan, but you're not in Texas. Everyone has seen this transformation, and it's okay to notice that. It's okay to say this is not something that we want. We're currently having a debate over immigration. We've largely solved the issue of illegal immigration when it comes to closing the border. Hopefully President Trump is able to make that a more permanent feature, but it's something that his administration has done very well. But we're also addressing the issue of legal immigration. And the number one way that we see this abused is, is the H1B visa. Indians have a 70% entry rate when it comes to H1Bs. Now, I'm sorry, but it's very clear that 70% of the world's exceptional talent doesn't live in India. So what's going on there? Well, it's a racial, it's a racial cartel that is trying to push as many Indian immigrants into the United States as possible by selecting their ethnic kin through the H1B process. This is an abuse at every level of the immigration system and it's being transformational in many places. You should not be seeing giant demons, you know, monkey demons being worshipped in a huge statue in the middle of Texas. You know, this is the United States. We do not need that here. And it's okay to notice that.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and I fully agree with you that it is okay to notice that.
National Conversation on Immigration: Addressing Ethnic Differences and Overcoming Fear of Accusations
And it's okay to have this conversation, especially in the midst of time, talking about, illegal immigration, talking about where the majority of these people are coming from, when we're talking about, you know, whether it's ah, Somalis, you know, up in Michigan, whether it's you know, Muslims in a lot of the other parts of the country, especially in NewSong York, you know, whether it's, it's Indians in Texas. I mean, this is something that we need to have a national conversation about. And the knee jerk reaction of the left and increasingly, even some of the scaredy cats maybe on the right are, well, if you notice that there's a difference in ethnicity, then automatically you're a racist. Well, that's completely not true. And I thought we kind of debunked this, you know, back in 2015, 2016 when that was the knee jerk reaction to anything that Trump said about building the wall or you know, anything related, to closing the border. And so when, when we're trying to have these conversations on the right, but the right immediately condemns anyone like a Beau French who is talking about this, then it seems like we're just not asserting our position because we're yielding to the over dramatization on the left and we're being silenced because they're calling us names instead of actually saying, you know, basically, shut up, sit down, we're going to have this conversation anyway. And that's what I would have liked to see from Republicans. I mean that's what Trump did pretty successfully was just say, I don't care what you call me, we're having this conversation anyway. But it seems like so many people on the right still haven't gotten that memo or for some reason they just still want to either be loved by the left or they just are so terrified of being branded a racist. I mean, why?
The Republican Party's Reaction to Accusations and the Concept of Anti-White Discrimination
Auron MacIntyre : Yeah, it really is ridiculous. I mean we've seen decades and decades of the left leveling this accusation falsely. We all know that they do it at the drop of the hat without any evidence. We're all familiar about how this terminology is abused. And yet still, over and over again, the Republicans act as if some magical spell has been cast. And now the left gets to win because they said the word racist. And, you know, I'm really glad that Kim Paxton, str stood up against this and actually pushed back and said no. What we're pointing out here is anti white discrimination. The fact that we know that many of these schools ultimately set up their standards to allow in people who otherwise would not enter, but, simply based on the color of their skin or their gender or their sexual orientation. We know that often the native population of the United States is shut out of opportunities because universities prefer foreign students on a regular basis.
Shifting Tides on Political Discourse: Voters Tired of Racist Accusations and Demanding Open Conversations
We know all these things, and we're not going to back away from it. So I'm very glad Ken Paxton took a stand on it. I'm very glad that Beau French did not back away from what he said. And we really have to punish GOP members who go out and do something like this. I think pretty much every single Republican politician in Texas who spoke out against Beau French was getting absolutely ratioed, on Twitter when they did it. So, you know, that that's not always an indicator. But I think the level of pushback across every single person who took this stance really shows that the tides have shifted under their feet. They're completely out of touch with where the base is, where the average voter is. I think the average, Republican voter at this point is tired of the abuse of the word racist. They're ready to step over this word and actually have this discussion.
Pushing Back Against Political Correctness: Silencing Critics and the Rise of Base Support
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, 100%. And I think that if we've learned anything in the last 10 years, and one of the great things that, came out of the Trump era is an ability to just push back against all of the political correctness that was coming from the left that was not for, you know, having a more civil debate. It was really intended to silence critics. I mean, that's, that's all that this sort of PC culture was intended to do, was to say we couldn't have these conversations, otherwise, you know, you, you're just, you're racist or you, you have, you know, all of these other kinds of accusations that are thrown at you inst the merit of the policy and those types of conversations. And I think with the rise of a lot of the immediate sort of, response from a lot of, you know, the voters and a lot of the base, for online that can be a really good, and hopefully helpful bolster to people like Paxton and French to say, okay, at least, you know, the base is with you and we get it and we see through this and we want to have these conversations.
DHS and ICE Effectiveness: Stealth Deportations and Media Silence on Immigration Enforcement
And so, you know, as, as we're analyzing, you know, all of this, you know, let's actually have that conversation of where we're at, now with dhs, with ice, with deportations, with, you know, looking at securing the border. it's really interesting to me now that Kristi Noem is no longer the head of DHS and you have Mark Wayne Mullin. how the we don't hear a lot in the news anymore about ICE or about, you know, the Department of Homeland Security. Is that because he's not being as effective as Kristi Noem was, or just because the left is, you know, the, the kind of complaint du jour is different today?
Auron MacIntyre : Well, the assertion by the Trump administration is the reason that we're seeing less of this in the press is that ICE has gotten better at stealth deporting people, that it's gotten better at doing this in a low key manner that doesn't draw attention, that they're forcing more people out through soft means when it comes to encouraging self deportations. And so that's why we're not seeing it. I'm going to be honest, I'm a little worried when I hear something like that, because the truth is I think that the left, that the media would be doing everything they could to get those deportations challenged in the court of public opinion if they were occurring. I don't think that the press is being kind to the Trump administration or, you know, otherwise just kind of playing along. I think that if we were really getting a high number of deportations, we would see the press, you know, putting that out there, complaining about it, that kind of thing. I think they would be trying to cause as much of a ruckus as possible to stop the Trump administration from doing something effectively.
Concerns Over Immigration Enforcement Transparency and the Need for Domestic Policy Focus
so the fact that we've heard no noise really from the press when it comes to deportations recently I think is more of a concern than anything else. I would love to see hard numbers from the administration about where we're at, so that we can have more confidence in our position. But my first instinct would be, you know, since we've heard nothing but Mullin be, very, very soft on immigration even after taking that position. I'm not really encouraged by the fact that the Press is not pushing back in any way.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I tend to agree with you that it's not, that the press has suddenly eased up on Trump on this issue. I mean, if there were something, going on that they wanted to criticize, they would, because that's totally their M.O. but, you know, this is one of the things that, regardless, of how the midterms shape up, this, is one of the issues that the administration can take, you know, unilateral action on. And everybody is saying, okay, well, after the midterms, either way, you know, Trump is going to be this lame duck president, because he's heading into his last two years, but he could, take advantage of the executive power to the, Obviously to the constitutional limit, but, you know, really enforce some of these things that he can do with or without Congress. And I would love to see, you know, some of these things, the domestic issues be the focus rather than, you know, talking still about Iran and a lot of this other foreign policy stuff.
Pre-Midterm Priorities: Addressing Voter Enthusiasm Through Action on Domestic Issues and Immigration
So, you know, hopefully, maybe that'll be the trend of the administration after the midterms.
Auron MacIntyre : I mean, that would be great. I don't see how, you know, the very likely scenario is that they're going to lose the midterms, and then the Democrats are going to have control of the House and they're going to launch a thousand investigations and articles of impeachment and do everything they can to slow the Trump administration down. So if there was any time to focus on domestic priorities and get it done, it would be before the midterms and not after. you know, the idea that doing more will wound you in the midterms is not working for the Trump administration. their lack of action in many areas is what's reducing voter enthusiasm. If we were seeing a large number of deportations, they might say, oh, well, this is going to get us bad press. But if you win an Energizer base, keeping your promises is a good way to get them to turn out to the polls. And right now, I think a lot of people are sitting around saying, my gas is more expensive. This war that I was told is going to last two weeks is now six months old. you know, I don't understand why I'm not getting the deportations that I was promised. Maybe I don't show up to the polls, you know, in November for these Republicans. Now, I think that we're in a scenario where that's a very dangerous play because Democrats are so radical, but without any Action from Trump administration. You can't ultimately blame voters for not showing up.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, you know, we're going to be talking about the midterms, coming up in the next segment, but Oren McIntyre, really appreciate it. And the administration still has, you know, some time, not much, but sometime before midterms to kind of shape up, get that enthusiasm. So we'll see. But, follow Oren McIntyre and the Blaze on X and we will be right back with more.
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Clash of Worldviews: The Left's Desire for Societal Transformation vs. Conservative Preservation of Liberty
Welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. And as we are headed toward November, I've been talking about this, clash between Republicans and Democrats really as not just party specific. This isn't about loyalty to Republicans versus Democrats. this is like in 2024, like in previous elections, even back in 2008 when the rise of the Obama years and the extreme radical progressive left, there are two different versions of reality that the left wants to see America become and the right wants to continue to preserve. And so the right and conservatives in general, that's why we're conservatives, we want conserve reality, we want to conserve a liberty, we want to conserve justice and we want to build a more perfect union on the basis of ordered liberty and morality. And the left wants nothing to do with that. And that's why in every aspect of our civil society, they want to undermine these Principles that are embedded and our, founders wanted to, protect them through our Constitution. And they're trying to undermine that at every turn. And so my friend Todd Starnes is joining the program now, who is the author of a brand new book called the Golden Age, How Trump Saved America.
The Defining Clash of Worldviews in Modern Elections: Beyond Personality Politics to Ideological Battles
And Todd, I think this is such a timely book because if we look even at the last election in 2024, this was the clash. I mean, once, once we got past the primary m, I stopped talking about Trump versus Kamala and I said, you know, this is about two different worldviews. And I think that in every you kind of milestone election, and especially as we continue to see the left become more and more radical, that is how the right is going to have to continue to shape this if we really want to protect America. This isn't about personality politics. This is about worldview.
Historical Ideological Battles: Communism vs. Capitalism and the Role of Religion in Public Square
Todd Starnes: Well, good morning. And I think there is something to that. this is a fight, that has been fought all the way back to Eisenhower. this idea of communism versus capitalism, the American way of life. Eisenhower framed it in a religious context, saying this was really about good versus evil.
Contemporary Fight Against Communism on American Soil and the Role of Christians in Political Discourse
That's what the fight is really about. And of course, it was Eisenhower who really introduced the idea of talking about Christianity in the public Square. that I.D. and that idea and that ideology was then picked up by William F. Buckley Jr. And Ronald Reagan. When you read through many of Reagan's speeches, there's this religious language when he describes fighting the communists. And now here we are, so many years later, and what is old is new again. We are fighting the communists not in the Soviet Union, but right here on American soil. So I think to your point, and I make this argument in the golden age, which by the way, is not a dull, boring policy book. This is a really fun, rip roaring look at what Trump has done for the country and what we as Christians must do to carry on the banner. But I think at the end of the day, Jenna, the challenge is, yes, we do have to, we do have to educate the population on the evils that are coming out of the Democrat Party.
Republican Party Challenges: Educating on Democrat Evils and Translating Promises into Action
But is that going to be enough to drive people to the polling stations? the broader question is what have the Republicans done? I don't think they've done enough, which is why they're targeting the Democrats like they are. if in fact, Donald Trump was on the ballot, I would not be worried in the least because Donald Trump has delivered on his promises. A good many of them, not all, but enough to get himself reelected. If in fact, this was, you know, he was on the ballot, which he is not. So I think that's one of the reasons why the Republicans are in a bit of a pickle right now. and we'll see how things go. You know, the polling data changes and everything, but, it seems as though Republicans are coming around, Jon Thune dumping millions of dollars and to Ken Paxton's race in Texas. So I am slightly optimistic that, the Republicans are going to do well this fall.
The Power of Trump's Brand Loyalty and the Importance of Team Effort in Republican Success
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and. Well, and slight optimism is better than a lot of pessimism. And so, you know, I think that a lot of voters anymore don't really trust the polls because we've seen that in, ah, Trump's, you know, two victories that, the polls were completely off. And, and so that's, that's part of what's interesting here. But Trump even said at the midterm convention last week, you know, just pretend that my name is on the ballot. And I think he gets that, that if his name was on the ballot, you'd see more turnout. And I think Republicans are going to have a little bit of a difficult time because we've been so focused and the MAGA movement has been so focused on building Trump's personal brand loyalty that sometimes that doesn't translate into a team effort. And that's what is really going to be tested here. And, you know, it's interesting that, when you say that, you know, all the way back to Eisenhower, you know, calling these ideologies evil, that's accurate and that's true. But a lot of, Democrats and, you know, leftist pundits and stuff will say, oh, well, you know, this, how dare you call that evil?
Labeling Ideologies as Evil: The Need to Express Truth About Communism's Harmful Nature
And, you know, you're just bigoted and all these other, all these other names. But truly, the ideology itself can rightly be termed as evil. And I don't think we actually express that enough in conservative political circles. We almost say that, you know, oh, well, these are just two different views of the economy or two different views of America.
Todd Starnes: Well, and I wrote a chapter about this one issue in the Golden Age, when you look at, at the ideology, and this communist ideology has really been infused into our nation's, education system from kindergarten all the way through college and going all the way back to 2015.
Infusion of Communist Ideology in Education: Limiting Free Speech and Justifying Violence Against Opponents
There was a study done by Pew Research, and that study found that about 40% of millennials at the time believe there should be limitations on free speech. Now, since then, other polls have been done that showed increases in the numbers of People who felt like speech they found offensive should be curtailed. The most recent polling showed a shocking number of gen zers who now believe that it's perfectly okay to use violence to stop speech that you find offensive. Over 30% say it should be rare, but they're okay using violence to shut down speech they object with. And that is why Charlie Kirk got killed. this is a very dangerous thing. This is coming right out of the communist playbook to not only silence your opponents, but, also kill them. And that's where we are at in this country right now. So, yeah, it is absolutely evil and we have to address this. But Jenna, there's another ideological battle being fought, and that is within the Republican Party.
Internal Republican Party Factions: Establishment, Populists, and Evangelicals in Ideological Struggle
and that is a very dangerous situation because right now you have three factions. You've got the establishment, you have the populist, and you have the evangelicals. And I hate to break this to my fellow evangelicals, but we are not doing very well in the fight right now. We sort of been shoved aside and all of that started back in 2024 during the GOP platform, fights. So, you know, we're going to have a big ideological battle moving into 2028.
Evangelicals' Tactical Mistake in Politics: Seeking Access Over Preaching Truth to Power
That's, that'll probably heat up. We're starting to see, some of the skirmishes, Jon Thune stopping a lot of the president's agenda that's coming out of the establishment side. They know he's going to be a lame duck president. So this is going to be interesting to watch. But Christians need to pay very close attention here. And here's the problem with Christians, Jenna, in the political movement, they made a tactical mistake because their idea was we need access to power when in fact they should have been in Washington preaching truth to power.
Jenna Ellis: And what, what a great observation. And it's so true because, well, you know, access is, is necessary at times to advance your agenda. That should never come at the sake of watering down or silencing truth or compromising on things that that you can't compromise on. I mean, politics in general is sometimes, you know, a game of negotiation.
Compromising Principles: The GOP Platform's Abandonment of Evangelical Values and the Need for Awakening
And and that can be, okay in some circumstances. I mean, you need to negotiate some of this stuff. But what we saw in 2024 with the, the GOP platform, ah, abandoning a lot of their, their hard fought and long held principles, that are mainly the, the bread and butter of, of the evangelicals and the things that we stand for and fought for. That was really, disconcerting. And I think should have been a bigger moment that Christians woke up and said, well, wait a minute, I think we've gone too far. So how do you see then that we can reverse that and maybe reclaim some of that ground that was lost within, our own movement heading into 2028?
Todd Starnes: Sure. And I lay all of this out. The Strategy in the Golden Age, which is available at, you know, every bookstore in America. You can get it online.
Reclaiming Ground: Resetting Missions for Religious Liberty, Family, and Pro-Life Organizations
I think the key here is for us to really reset and try to come to terms. If we're a religious liberty organization, if we're a family organization, we operate in Washington, we're a pro life organization. Why are we there? What is the point of doing what we're doing? is it to hold fancy conferences, with the same speakers every year? is it to, you know, hold a prayer service inside the Oval Office? why exactly? Why are you there and what are your motives? And I think we've got to understand that our job going all the way back to the founding of the country, our job was to preach, the gospel message. Our job was also to use pulpits around the country to proclaim freedom and liberty.
The Role of Churches in Culture: Proclaiming Freedom and Liberty Through Engaged Ministries
And we have so many churches that have disengaged from the culture. this is one of the reasons why I love American Family association and American Family Radio. They have never wavered from the mission. And that's evident by, you know, how God has blessed this ministry and this organization. We need more people with that mindset, around the country.
Preserving American Values: The Importance of Faith-Based Engagement in Policy and Community
Jenna Ellis: Amen to that. And that's why I love being here, and I totally agree, because we need to continue to push for the values that, that truly make America great. It's not about a personality or it's not just about getting, you know, the R's over the D's elected. It's about making sure that we're actually, preserving and protecting these values for the future and in policy. And, you know, speaking of, of, ah, AFA Action, there was a really interesting, new national study that just came out this week from I voter guide and AFA action with, Dr. George Barna. I don't know if you saw this, Todd, but it found that while 85% of likely voters turn out for the top of the ballot, only 55% vote all the way down. And they abandon the school board, judicial and local races that mostly directly shape their communities. And the reason the data showed isn't apathy. It's that voters can't find information they trust. And I find that so frustrating.
Voter Engagement Challenges: Lack of Trusted Information and Churches' Role in Educating Voters
Because every single community has churches, every single community has Christians, and every single community has Christian voters that should be engaged well ahead of even receiving their ballot or going, to the ballot box. And this shouldn't be 55%. And that just tells me that, that Christians and especially churches just aren't doing their job.
Todd Starnes: Yeah, look, I think that's, that's a fair point. And, again, in the Golden Age, you know, I encourage people to really engage first on the local level.
Engaging at the Local Level: Parents Teaching Children About Freedom and Foundational American Principles
Ronald Reagan said American greatness doesn't start in Washington, it start in the home, around the dinner table. So, you know, I really challenge parents to step up and to take responsibility for teaching their kids about freedom and liberty, teaching their kids about our Founding Fathers and American history. I think that's an important thing for us to do as families in America. And if I could, you know, one of the things I'm really excited about, about the Golden Age, is that, we had a personal endorsement from the President himself, which quite frankly would have been awkward had he not since, the book is about how he saved America. But, the President agrees with the book. Speaker Mike Johnson wrote a really nice endorsement of the book, as did friends like, Pastor Jack Graham, and Jack Hibbs out of Calvary chapel, and, Dr. Robert jeffress out of the First Baptist Church of Dallas. So I'm really excited for people to read this book and to be encouraged. I think we need a couple of good chuckles, and we've got a lot of good chuckles in the book and also some great challenges.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, that's great. And, you know, and the pastors that you mentioned, especially, you know, they're some of the leaders who have been trying to bridge that gap and engage, ah, Christians and the church in, in policy and in our community.
Endorsements for 'The Golden Age': Trump, Johnson, and Pastors Highlight the Book's Importance
Because this isn't just about politics. This isn't just about Trump. This is ultimately about our everyday lives and our American civil society. And the Bible has a lot to say about that. And so, you know, when we're talking about, you know, the, the Golden Age and what actually makes, America. America, it's really encouraging to see that so many, pastors have endorsed this book and are engaged, and we need even more of that. but I, I love, I love this book, Todd. It's called again, the Golden Age, How Trump Saved America. You can get it on Amazon, anywhere books are sold. And President Trump said, Todd Starnes is a fierce defender of freedom and a great patriot.
Biblically Grounded Commentary: The Importance of Choosing News Sources Aligned with Christian Values
He seen, understands, what seen and understands what is happening in our country like few others. what a great endorsement. And, and I think that's absolutely true just in, in the time that you and I have been friends, Todd, I think that your commentary and your view on all of this is not only incisive, but it comes and is grounded from a biblical worldview, which is what's most important. As we are listening to the commentary, and we choose, you know, our sources of where we get our news, we have to make sure that it's biblically grounded and that we can, ultimately translate that into preserving biblical values in society. So I really appreciate it.
The Golden Age by Todd Starnes: A Call to Preserve Biblical Values in Society
looking forward to this book. And again, everyone can go on either Amazon, wherever books are sold. the Golden Age How Trump Saved America by our good friend Todd Starnes. You can also follow him on X. And, as always, you can reach me and my team jennafr.net preborn has rescued over 400,000 babies from abortion.
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Jenna Ellis discusses the pressing issues surrounding artificial intelligence and its implications for society with guest Auron MacIntyre from The Blaze. They explore the warnings from AI leaders about potential dangers and the need for regulatory frameworks, while also examining political responses from figures like President Trump. Together, they delve into the ethical considerations of AI technology, its impact on human interaction, and the challenges faced by the Republican Party as it navigates these complex conversations.
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