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Jenna Ellis: Good morning. Well, it is Monday, September 28th, and as we are heading toward the midterms, there is a lot of focus on polling, on where the candidates are, the GOP messaging and, not a lot of people thinking that that's really great at this point. But this, came out late last night, a scoop from real Daily Wire. ICE officers across the country were told this weekend to stop arresting non criminals, agency sources tell the Daily Wire. Now, I may only arrest illegal immigrants, with criminal convictions or charges for the time being, said the sources. The change also ends so called collateral arrest, sources said, meaning officers who find a criminal target alongside others in the country illegally may detain only the target. So, Bill Malusian from Fox News then posted in response, I've spoken on the phone with President Trump and nine ICE and DHS sources about this today. Here's what I've learned. Yes, the verbal guidance did go out to ICE offices across the country last night. I've spoken with ICE agents who received it and were shocked and frustrated by it. It's unclear who it started with. However, I'm told it's erroneous with some type of miscommunication during conversations about prioritizing. Worst first and there's no change in the immigration enforcement policy. President Trump tells me anyone in the country illegally remains on the table for ICE arrest and deportation on. I'm also told new guidance went out to ICE field officers tonight to reaffirm this and that yes, arrests of illegal aliens and collaterals without any criminal history will continue. ICE sources confirmed to me they received the new guidance. Bill Malusian goes on to say, I'm not really sure what happened here, but everyone is on the same page, including President Trump in telling me that his immigration enforcement agenda isn't scaling back. So there was a lot of response to this and chatter on social media. one of the, the commentators, Kyle Seraphin, said this in response. Translation, the Trump administration got caught in another betrayal of the core mission. ICE/DHS employees leaked to people like Daily Wire so the public would be outraged. And it worked. So they're walking it back. It was a trial balloon on amnesty again. Well, what's really going on? Let's welcome Tony Ortiz, who is the editor and founder of Current Revolt. And Tony, I know this is a really big issue to border states especially, ah, like Texas where you are and where you know, currently Ken Paxton is, ah, has razor thin margins, I guess, actually depending on what district we're talking about. And this just doesn't really seem like a good priority, for DHS and ICE under Secretary Mullin, especially this close to the midterms. What do you make of it?
Tony Ortiz: Yeah, it doesn't seem good. And just even the fact that we're having this discussion and we're having to debate whether or not this is true shows that it's kind of a mess. maybe in this, in this department. Right.
Tony Ortiz: That they're debating whether this is accurate. And you have different people saying different things. You know, the fact of the matter is that President Trump ran on, you know, immigration enforcement. And in Texas we've loved that. It's been a good thing, despite the fact that the left, of course, you know, protests against even criminals, even violent criminals getting deported. I, think it's been effective and we've seen that and its effects in a lot of different ways throughout Texas especially. so, you know, again, like, the fact that we're even having this conversation shows that maybe that there's upheaval in that department and hopefully it gets better.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And you know, I think it's been really frustrating to see, ah, the lack of the deportations and the mass deportations that we were promised under the Trump administration. And you know, I was very much on record at the time saying that I, didn't think that Secretary Mullin was necessarily the best pick for, a variety of reasons. But it also seems like there hasn't been a whole lot in the news kind of either way, you know, either from conservatives saying, you know, look at all the priorities of DHS and ice but then on the other hand, from the leftist media, you know, being outraged over all of the deportations, so that possibly signals that not a lot is happening, which is actually frustrating. Yeah. And then, you know, I did see
Tony Ortiz: the argument that, you know, well, if they only go after the violent criminals or at least the one individual of the family, it does make it harder for the remainder of the family to I guess make ends meet. So maybe they'll self deport. So I, I can suppose I could see that, position as well. but you know, you rarely see like, you don't see videos of these border crossings anymore. Right.
Tony Ortiz: You don't see media covering any kind of large, caravans coming in, although it looks like there may be one coming here soon. So it seems that the, I feel like the aggressive enforcement that we've had here in the United States of these people getting deported has also swayed people that are considering. Come over here from even starting to come over here. So it's been effective. Whether anybody wants to argue it or not, it's been effective that getting, making these, making national news, these deportations. I think it really has put the people that are considering staying or considering hiding here or even coming here, from remaining here and going back to their home countries.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and that's absolutely true that maybe we're not hearing a ton about, ice because there actually has been some, some effectiveness and you know, definitely we're in a much better situation under President Trump than we would be under a Kamala Harris administration. I mean, there's no question. But I think that kind of gets to the heart of where, conservative voters are very frustrated because, the polling is suggesting, and a lot of the social media commentary as well, you know, for, for what that's worth, I mean, that's kind of, you know, some isolated anecdotes, but, but, but, for what it's worth, you know, a lot of people are saying, well, we're tired of just voting for Republicans because we're against Democrats. We want to vote for Republicans because we actually see them as the best champions. And and this goes back to what the GOP promised in 2024 and you know, the golden age of America. And and I just don't see that materializing, at least in the economy, in the mass deportations, in the tax issues and basically the variety of domestic issues. And then when we talk about, you mentioned, this caravan where there are some reports and even videos that are now surfacing that over 400 approximately illegals, predominantly from Honduras, entered Mexico on Thursday ready to make their way to the US Southern border. And there are allegations that, you know, someone must be incentivizing or providing for this type of movement. It's not necessarily organic and I find it interesting that it's popping up right now, you know, less than, than two months ahead. I mean, we're getting almost about a month out from the midterms. so where, where do you think that the voters are actually at? Because, you know, something like this, even former Congressman Marjorie Taylor Green is suggesting, and she posted this in response yesterday. We haven't seen a caravan headed to the US Southern border in several years. Why now? Oh yeah, there's an election coming and the GOP needs to scare you into voting because nothing else is working. I don't really buy that particular angle, but I can see, you know, how some would suggest. Okay, you know, here's, here's now where, the GOP is headed with messaging. Yeah, I mean, I don't really buy
Tony Ortiz: the conspiracy theory angle either, but it does bring up a good point. Whereas the GOP is not in a great spot. Right.
Tony Ortiz: Most people view the economy as not great. Gas prices are out of control. Whether or not you support this war, the fact that there is a war is probably an issue. again, just a issue, is there? Right.
Tony Ortiz: We've got, in Texas, we've got rough top of the, top of the ballot candidates like Ken Paxton, who's got his own set of issues, and then recently Beau French. Whether you agree with his rhetoric or not, it's just like the perfect storm of everything that can go wrong, coming right up to a midterm. So yeah, the GOP would benefit from a huge win right now with their base, and maybe immigration could be that. But you brought up a really good point earlier where if you're running for office, at least in the Republican Party right now, you need to be able to say you're voting for me or you should vote for me, for these reasons versus anything. Hey, don't vote for my opponent because they're so bad. You know, the 2016 Hillary Clinton ran like that. Her presidential. Don't vote for Trump because he's, he's a scary bad man. But they never really gave the pitch as to why anybody should vote for her. And look where she is now.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, other than, you know, she's a woman and we've seen identity politics. Thankfully, not really work, especially for some of the top federal Offices. And, Yeah, and that's absolutely true. I mean, people want to get out and vote because they're excited to vote for something, not just against something. And, you know, and speaking of Republican messaging, I mean, there, There hasn't really been a lot that the GOP has been able to say, you know, look at what we've done for you lately. And obviously, you know, other guests that I've had on this program, as well as, you know, some of the commentators, of course, across the networks, will point to things like. Things like the one big beautiful bill. And it's like, okay, you know, that, that's fine. But that thing over a year ago, we're not really seeing kind of this list that we would have anticipated for the, for the first two years of his second term. And, when we look at the messaging as well, ah, Dan Scavino, who is, who is of course one of, Trump's white, ah, House, chiefs of staff, he posted this video that was clearly AI, you know, and people send him things all the time, but he posted this video on social media. It was either yesterday or the day before, you know, over the weekend. That was, in the context of the state dinner, which was, you know, very lavish. And people are, commenting how that might not be the appropriate time to kind of look at all of this lavishness in Washington when we're dealing with an affordability issue. But this particular video, I don't know if you saw it, you know, had, him and I think it was Rick Trump and, you know, two other women, like, on this, this cart that was, going through the White House, you know, like popping champagne and, you know, toasting and being, very frivolous, basically was how it came across. And the backlash to that, even from, you know, a lot of pretty staunch Trump supporters, was, really surprising to me in the sense that people are, I think, finally willing to express that frustration and disappointment and basically saying that this was tone deaf. And while, you know, it's an AI video and people can say whatever, it sparks kind of the same unnecessary controversy as some of the memes that Trump has posted in the past, where you're thinking, why even give, especially at this moment, anyone on the left or the Democrats, any sort of foothold to say, look, you're tone deaf, you're out of touch, you don't care about the average American and, you know, the Democrats care about affordability and they have answers and, you know, even breach that topic, you're 100% right.
Tony Ortiz: And, you know, politics, a lot like real life, where it's, you know, when your job, it's, what have you done for me lately? And the American citizens are asking the Republican Party, what have you done for me lately? And there's not a ton, at least, unless you're digging really deep that you can really point to. Has the Republican Party and has President Trump done a great job with this country? Yes, absolutely. There's things you can point to, but with the average American mind that just wants to see what is affecting me, what can I see, what is tangible in front of me? It's expensive groceries, high gas prices, a war, and you can keep going on and on. And so that really hurts, right? As a voter, like, why do I do this? And to their point. Yeah, yeah.
Tony Ortiz: You post these videos of you guys part of the administration, partying and hanging out and drinking wine and all this stuff. It is tone deaf because the average person wakes up in the morning and they're looking at their tax bill. They're looking at $5 gas. Right?
Tony Ortiz: And so it's like, do we. What are we? And so it really turns off voters, I think, for wanting to get out. And again, there's no messaging there. It's just my opponents are crazy. You should vote for me. It doesn't hit the way it should.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah. And speaking of messaging as well, there was a post by Mayra, Flores, who previously, you know, ran for office in Texas. And she said, I worked so hard in 20, 22 and 2024 to get Hispanic Americans to vote Republican because I knew that if I didn't we could eventually lo Texas, I did all the hard work and paved the way. Now what? and then she goes on to say that, she got a text during Univision Media this morning that, someone who's a friend or, you know, colleague, whoever it is, she doesn't identify the person texts her saying, you know what I noticed? because I started watching at 10 not to miss you. There was, there were like two or three ads in Spanish for the Democrat candidates. I never saw any for a Republican candidate. And, basically says, this is concerning. And so for ads for Democrats and no ads for Republicans in Spanish. And Laura Ingram, quote posted that and said, republicans. Is this correct? If so, where all the Spanish language ads? And, that's a great question, but I think the, the deeper question is, where is the money? I mean, is there money in Texas? That specifically, but I mean, because I know that like the nrc, the gop, even MAGA Inc. Is spending quite a bit, around the country. But, you know, we all remember, Senator Kennedy going on Fox News and saying, you know, basically, well, you know, the GOP isn't going to spend in Texas because they didn't anticipate as close of a race between Paxton and Talarico. So does this come down to financing?
Tony Ortiz: Well, regarding Myra Flores, it's really easy for her to say that, when she's no longer running, she lost two out of her three races, and where she worked very hard and she still lost by a pretty significant number. So I think it's really easy for some, somebody who's essentially continued to lose, continued to lose, to come out and say, oh, you should be doing this. I don't know if her advice is 100%, where it should be. But, yeah, the bigger question is where's all the money? Right.
Tony Ortiz: Something that James Talarico consistently brags about, when he's out there campaigning is that he's got a lot of small time donors. And if you go online or you go to Facebook or wherever, there's this big like outlandish support for the Senate candidate Ken Paxton. But yet, but he still struggles to raise money. So again, pointing back to is social media is online, real life. You go online and you think that kentaxon is the best thing since sliced bread. But that doesn't translate to actual donations and tangible money for him to run with. And it is concerning where's the money? And to the Trump, the admin's point of, well, we're not going to spend money in Texas because we didn't anticipate it. I don't think anybody anticipated this. I mean, you've got a situation where even the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, is now taking swings at his Democratic opponent. You would never see, you've never seen this, or you very rarely have seen this where Greg Abbott doesn't even, doesn't even acknowledge the fact that he's got an opponent because the race is not even close to being tight. And now you have him taking swings at the Democrat candidate, Gina Hinojosa. And I think people have seen that as a sign that things are, things are a little rough in Texas.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, we got to take a break here. but Tony Ortiz, really appreciate your perspective and you know, this is all really concerning heading into the midterms and we're going to continue talking, specifically about some of the races in Texas. As kind of a bellwether, perhaps for some of the gop, I think, you know, Florida, my home state, is situated a little bit, differently perhaps. but you know, where we are at with the midterms overall, within the various states, it's going to be really interesting. So we'll be right back with more foreign. Hi, I'm Jenna Ellis. Did you know that this content is listener supported? Without people like you, this podcast would not exist. And that's why we need you. A generous monthly gift of any amount will help sustain American Family Radio and specifically this podcast. Please consider becoming a monthly financial partner today by visiting afr.netforward/give. That's afr.net welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. We'll continuing to talk about the midterms, where exactly the GOP stands. And taking a closer look this morning on Texas. this coming from the Guardian. Republican says Trump's support of Ken Paxton in Texas in the Texas primary was a, quote, unquote, colossal mistake. Thom Tillis says Trump's decision to back Paxton over Jon Cornyn has put the Senate seat at risk for Republicans. So US Senator Thom Tillis on Sunday criticized Donald Trump as fellow Republican for the president's support of Paxton over incumbent Jon Cornyn in the Texas Senate Republican primary. Ah, Tillis said, quote, he's made a colossal mistake and he's obviously frequent Trump critic from North Carolina. And he said this during an interview on CNN's State of the Union. which is where Republicans seem to go to air their grievances against the gop. Whenever they're not happy with the party, they, somehow defect and you know, go over to CNN and they're not willing to say some of this stuff on Fox News, which I just find, a little bit D.C. political backstabbing. But, he also said Jon Cornyn is a great member of the US Senate, Paxton has his challenges and we would not be spending tens or hundreds of millions of dol Texas if Cornyn had won. So this is pretty easy for Tillis to say. He's retiring now. But, it is true that the GOP largely is having to spend a lot more in the Paxton Talarico race than they otherwise would. my opinion though is this is worth it. because Cornyn was primaried. I, think it's actually good that we have a better candidate. I think Ken Paxton for, you know, any of the, the personal controvers, his actual record is a lot More solidly conservative. And that's what hopefully will, turn out the Texas vote. But let's welcome in Matthew Williams, who goes by the Prudentialist on social media as a writer and commentator. And, Matthew, I was actually talking, to someone else in Texas who's, you know, close with, state politics and very involved there, who said that, you know, now that this race is really heating up and we're, you know, down to the last few weeks before the election, ah, President Trump and others are finally putting in a lot of money in Texas. do you think that this is going to be effective for Ken Paxton? And, where are Texans at this point?
Matthew Williams: Yeah, absolutely, Jenna, and thank you for having me on. I think that, you know, Ken Paxton's record should be one of the strong focus points with all of this money coming in. Because as a longtime Texas resident and as someone who has been, you know, active in Texas Republican politics for many years, I have always remembered Ken Paxton as the guy that was just Mr. Lawsuit when it came to the Obama administration and, you know, constantly taking the Obama admin to court. And I think that that's a very strong record to stand on given, you know, Mr. Paxton's record. But I mean, the fact that, you know, he is spending so much money backing his endorsement and backing the will of Texas Republican voters is something that's certainly nice to see, now that the rates, of course, is heating up. And at the Republican midterm convention in Dallas earlier this month that, you know, he said that he's going rally in every, you know, tight race across the country. I think that this is a good sign because it shows that the President is willing to answer to the voters and to support those that were primaried and or to support those that had won their primaries. So I think that the energy here on the ground is a little different. I remember in 2018 in Beto O' Rourke versus Ted Cruz, O' Rourke had a lot more energy. He was very popular on social media. I think that the key demographics of the Democratic coalition, especially with minority voters, was much higher in terms of turnout than I think what we're currently seeing right now for James Tallarico, who despite his last name, comes off as a very sort of effete, you know, white, upper middle class kind of pastor character, which I know he still has to do a lot of makeup for voters, especially when he was succeeding in primary against Jasmine Crockett. So overall, I think that, you know, despite what the polling may say, I think the energy on the ground is very different, and the money that Trump has put in is certainly a much needed shot in the arm as Ken, Paxton prepares to, to make the final stretch of this campaign and hopefully get elected to the United States Senate.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and, you know, it is really fascinating looking at, you know, what Tillis and then even Cornyn, who, you know, of course is, you know, he's, he's just hurt basically that that he lost the primary. And so he even has called Paxton a flawed candidate. He won't fundraise for the Texas Senate. Basically, he's not being a team player and acknowledging that primaries happen and sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. and it's the GOP in or the establishment wing, obviously not Trump and not, you know, hopefully the base that will turn out and vote for Paxton. But, but it's some of these establishment, candidates that are focusing a lot on the, the personal issues of Ken Paxton instead of, as you point out, he has a really stellar record. And it surprising to me to see that the gop, largely who are in favor of Paxton aren't doing a better job of bringing that to the forefront. Because more than possibly, you know, a lot of candidates running in this cycle for a variety of statewide offices in multiple states. I mean, Paxton actually has a real depth of, issues and a record that he is running on. And he is somebody that, you know, I don't care what you think about his personal issues. this is somebody that voters should actually be really excited about to be part of the U.S. senate because of that record. And you don't really hear that a lot in the messaging.
Matthew Williams: Yeah, and I think that that is one of the areas that the Paxton campaign and other Republicans in Texas really need to home in on, is that, listen, you have on one hand a guy who is an absolute heretic when it to the question of God and Christianity, someone who thinks that, you know, he can learn more about Jesus from Muslims, someone who would like to open the floodgates both on immigration, but also, child mutilation practices in the medical field. This is someone who is absolutely radical, who has been nothing more but a state rep using the pastoral stove as a way to exercise his politics in the worst way possible, versus someone who has been for literal decades at this point, supporting not only just conservative causes, but the rights of the state and of the people when it comes to an overarching federal government. Someone who's been very resistant to liberal lawfare. And I think that this is an area in which Paxton could a, not only humanize himself a little more from people that want to call him weird or focus on his personal issues, but also at the same time allow him to say, listen, you have a guy who has no experience and is a freak versus a man who has decades of experience representing Texas, representing its interests, representing its people. That way, you know, his, record I think is more than enough for him to run on and be very proud of. And I think that Republicans in Texas and the president should understand that, listen, this guy is a born and raised fighter when it comes to not just the legal field, but also in politics. I mean, this is a man who has survived all kinds of personal attacks, all kinds of establishment improprieties that have been levied against him in the Texas state legislature. And for him to still come out on top, go against the number two Republican in the Senate and when, I mean, that's a, that's the story of a fighter. And I think that that's something that should get a lot of voters excited.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And I mean all of that is, is accurate. And right now, we don't have a debate scheduled, at least between Talarico and Paxton. There have been, you know, a number of overtures, but, you know, nothing that's established. So it really just relies on campaign messaging at this point. Do you think that Texan voters actually understand this about Paxton? And you know, when Talarico wants to call him, we like, you know, have you looked in the mirror, dude? I mean, you know, Talarico is somebody. I'm glad he used the word heretic because that's the only, word that can describe his, his views on God. But he also, you know, is so completely left wing, on, you know, the trans issue, on I mean, almost everything that, you know, he would be more to the left than, you know, some of these purple haired liberals that are out, you know, screaming nonsense about Lindsay Clancy. I mean, that's how, how just completely outrageous of a candidate he actually is. Do you think though that. That voters in Texas actually grasp the differences between the two and why they actually should be excited about somebody like Paxton?
Matthew Williams: Well, this is where I do think that, I'll give Talarico a small slice of credit because every advertisement I have seen Talarico talk about on the issues, that has nothing to do with his personal life, nothing to do with his background, nothing to do with his record outside of, if, you know, his votes in the state house, but it's all focused on accountability, fighting, corruption and most importantly, affordability. And I mean that's just the breadwinning issue right now, I think for a lot of voters. Because the ultimate polling indicator, I think for a lot of people of course, is going to be the price of groceries and the price of gas. And it doesn't matter that James Talarico is a heretic, crazy person who is going to appear to be as normal Joe Normalson as possible. That moment that he gets into office, he is going to vote further to the left than Chairman Mao. And that's sort of been the Democratic strategy as of late, has been push seemingly normal looking candidates who are going to vote like Marxists the moment they get in. I mean, Democrats have been doing this for decades. But overall I think that for his messaging that's sort of the way that he's been going about it. And I think that a lot of Texas voters on the ground kind of are beginning to understand the stakes a little more. I think that they're finally getting out of that post primary haze. I'm sure that there were a lot of establishment Republicans, a lot of establishment voters that were happy to vote for Jon Quan and just let the thing go as normal. But this is the reason why the base needs to get out and vote is because there are so many establishment Republicans and there are so many commentators out there that would love to return to the age of Thom Tillises and Jon Cornyn's rather than actually allowing Americans to express their interests in a candidate that actually represents them. If Texans want to see the change that they want to see specifically with Republican candidates in the Republican Party, this is the reason why people like Ken Paxton and Beau French need to win. Because otherwise the establishment and the Thom Tillises of the world will point to these election results and say we can't go any further to the right than what we've been doing.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, do you, do you see a difference at all in the older voter in Texas versus the younger voter? Because, I had Rich Barris on the, the podcast side on Friday and I'm going to get to that actually in the next segment. who, who had a poll out that was talking about what younger voters actually want and how they're not really scared of socialism and they're embracing it in ways that you know, genuinely should be terrifying for Republicans who don't seem to grasp that if you don't give younger voters actual solutions, and you don't have a record, you know, maybe like, like Paxton then they're going to seek solutions elsewhere. And so, so, you know, do you see a difference in Texas kind of that parallel between what the older generation is looking for in terms of voting, you know, in this statewide not and in districts not just necessarily with the Pax and Talarico race, but you know, kind of overall between the older generation and maybe the younger, more newer voters.
Matthew Williams: Yeah, absolutely. I mean the generational divide with younger voters and older voters is of course as far as the Marianas trend trenches deep. And I think that's something that a lot of Republican pollsters and you know, consultants and pundits may not necessarily want to touch because for the longest time, you know, you've had Gen Xers and baby boomers who are older, disproportionately more wealthy per capita, and of course disproportionately whiter, have voted for Republican very consistently. of course with decades of mass immigration into Texas, not just, you know, into Texas, but the rest of the country, you know, the younger generation is the most diverse in the history of the United States. It is far more open to supporting, you know, its various immigrants and ethnic interests. I mean, we can just look at Zoran Mamdani for example, like most of the people that voted for him were foreign born versus actual native NewSong Yorkers who voted for anyone but him. similar things are happening of course in Texas. But I mean for young Republicans who are active, especially in the yrs, the young conservatives of Texas and the rest, those guys are on a whole different level than make you and I look like moderates. And I mean, I think that that's a good thing to see because I think they understand the stakes because they have grown up now in an education system and in a political system wishes nothing but for them to be destitute or if not outright just extinct. And so to see them get energized and radicalized for getting people out to vote, signing them up and making sure that they're registered for people like Ken Paxton and other candidates that are strong on immigration, strong against this sort of third world understanding of politics, which is just, I want mine, you scratch my back and we're all going to divvy up whatever we make with our taxes. So overall I think that this is a good thing to see. however, the stakes are high because of course, you know, Texas is majority minority at this point and that's going to make it for tight races in the future. So again, I think that there's more candidates that we have that are going to support, you know, immigration restrictionist policies like Ken Paxton, the better. But this is why the people who are working in this campaign need to really drive home the message that, listen, this is your last chance before we either go back to Jon Cornyn types or we are ruled by James Talarico's forever. And I mean, we've seen this, not just with, you know, the Senate race, but across the state as well, that older, more rural conservative voters are tending to stick with the establishment because the problems that younger voters are seeing are further away from them, geographically speaking. They're not feeling the impact of cultural erasure and demographic replacement like a lot of conservatives in the cities and the suburbs are feeling. I mean, you can just see, for instance, the primary race is between Paxton and Jon Cornyn, but also between, Beau French and Jim Wright. Like, you know, more suburban and urban Republican voters were more willing to side with a guy further to the right because they live closer to the problem. And I mean, for people under 30, you know, with Rich Barris and his, book that just recently came out, you know, burned it down, that sensation and that feeling is there for a lot of people, not just to those on the left, but those on the right as well, where they certainly feel as if the system has not been working towards their favor. And the last 10 years of politics has opened a window in which they can get involved. And if they're not going to allow these victories or these movements to happen successfully, then they're open to new ideas because the system for them feels like it has failed them. And this is why you need fighters out there in the Senate and other places to make sure that those fights and those discussions can actually happen. Because if not, you might lose a whole generation of voters to someone who is willing to offer them, them the chance to say, I will make life better for you, doesn't matter at what cost, but let's go in that direction. And it's going to certainly upend politics as we know it.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. I mean, so well said. And you know, last question for you, Matthew, Williams. do you think that the, the GOP consultant class actually understands this? Because I'm seeing a lot more of the, the commentators, you know, the pollsters, the people who are, you know, kind of day in, day out engaged in politics, like you and me, for example, understanding where some of these pitfalls are. We would have advice on messaging and, you know, we've been talking about this a really long time. And yet, you know, The GOP isn't paying me to give any of this advice or to have any of this commentary, but they pay a lot to these political consultants that are the ones that are supposed to be doing all of this analysis and commentary and shaping the message. And it seems like the consultant Cloud Glass is, you know, somewhere out there with the Jon Cornyns and the Thom Tillises of the world that they just somehow, it's like they're so far removed from the actual kitchen table issues that they're not translating it well.
Matthew Williams: No, I would, I would agree with that wholeheartedly. And I mean, if I'm going to make a, historical comparison, I feel like a lot of the political consultant class, especially for the establishment Republicans, it's as if we are in an ancient Chinese empire and the consultant class is nothing more but a gang of scheming court eunuchs that to just simply stay as close to the levers of power as possible and where the money is, because that's where their comfort is. It's a lot harder as a consultant to stick your neck out on a candidate that seems risky or edgy, despite the fact that there's nothing that Ken Paxton or someone like Beau French has said that is anywhere beyond the pale, when it's just blatantly obvious, when I can stick my head out the window and see how bad the things are in the state. So I think that for the consultant class, I think one, a pair needs to be found and grown and to understand that if you want Republicans to ever have a chance at staying in power, this is the direction that things are going in. Sure, we can fine tune the messaging, we can make it about culture, the economy, or however you feel comfortable framing it. But the reality is, is that you have people in Congress, people in the consultancy class, people in the media that are openly dancing and tap dancing for joy on, you know, the idea that Republicans will never win again either due to immigration, poor messaging on the issues, only catering to the elderly. I mean, Nancy Mace is an excellent example of this where, you know, we're talking about no t taxes on boats and yachts and things like that. I mean, the term boomer luxury communism is a very real one for a reason. And so I think that the consultant class needs to understand that as the boomers get older and are beginning to die out, that you need to turn your attention towards the younger, lower propensity voters. Because if you can succeed in messaging to their needs, which is a radically different world than the one you and I grew up in, and even the people who are younger than me, I'm only 30, and I consider myself someone who is certainly ready to vote for Paxton. But at the same time, the consultancy class needs to understand that 30 and under is a totally different world. And as those guys get older and are more politically engaged, they need to be willing to work with them. Because if not, you know, then you get the title of Barris book. They're willing to burn it all down.
Jenna Ellis: So well said. All right, well, we've got to take a break here, but really appreciate, appreciate it. And, you can follow Matthew, Williams at the Prudentialist on acts. I'd encourage you to do that. And we will be right back with more. We're living in a defining moment in history. Today, a woman facing an unexpected pregnancy can order the abortion pill online, often before anyone has had the chance to tell her she is loved, that she's not alone, or that there is hope. That's why you are needed right now. You were made for this moment. At, PreBorn Network clinics, mothers are welcomed with compassion, practical support, and a free ultrasound. And when she sees her baby and hears that tiny heartbeat for the very first time, fear often gives way to hope. In fact, more than 80% of abortion vulnerable women choose life after seeing their baby on an ultrasound at a Pre Breath Network clinic. That one moment can save a baby's life and open a mother's heart to the hope of Jesus Christ. This is our moment to stand. For those who cannot speak for themselves. Just $28 provides one life saving ultrasound. $140 helps rescue five babies. Please don't wait. Dial pound 250 and say the keyword baby. That's pound 250 baby. Or give [email protected] afr that's preborn.com afr Together, we can save lives one heartbeat at a time. welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio. Welcome back.
Jenna Ellis: Well, as we've been talking about throughout this program, the GOP really needs to isolate and focus on where their messaging is going in two communities, completely different views of reality. And it doesn't come down to just, well, our candidates are slightly better. Our issues are, are definitely better. Or socialism bad, Democrats bad. Because that actually isn't working for younger voters in particular, who are soon set to be the, largest voting demographic. I'm old enough to remember as a millennial when millennials, millennials, were the largest voting bloc. And when we get into Gen Z and Gen Alpha, Republicans and conservatives are going to have to make a better case. And I, I, focused on that in an interview with Rich Barris, who is a, a pollster and director of Big Data Poll. And we did a wide ranging conversation on the podcast side. On Demand. that's our AFR exclusive podcast this past Friday. And I want to play just a portion of this interview. Interview. Because it's so important for conservative Christians to understand exactly what we're dealing with and why the younger generation actually isn't moved by simply saying, well, these are socialist candidates and we would think as Christian conservatives, they should be, but the data isn't, is just not suggesting that they are as concerned with socialism and they're actually in some instances and far too many actually embracing it. And so I want you to go and listen to this entire interview, but I want to play just a portion of it again. It's On Demand. this past Friday you can go to afr.net and click on the icon for On Demand. Listen to this whole interview, but listen to just a portion of this. We're hearing the same kind of messaging we did did, you know, all the way back in, you know, 2018, 2019. Oh, Democrats are in disarray, you know, and it's like, no, they're actually not. And to your point, they are a lot more disciplined. These DSA candidates have figured out how to appeal to younger voters on, you know, TikTok and social media. And while it looks a little, you know, screwy to, to somebody like me, who that doesn't appeal to, it actually does to the younger voters. And meanwhile you just have, you know, kind of these stiff Republicans suits that are out just doing the Fox News parade that none of the younger voters are paying attention to. And so, you know, when, when you talk about, and this book is so fascinating. Burn it down. This is the book that, you know, all the, all of my listeners, you need to read. Burn it down. What, what the polls are saying young Americans really want. how concerned are you as well that this literally will come to a point? I mean like what we've seen seen in historical revolutions. I mean, you know, like the French Revolution that was just like, we're done. And here's where, you know, the population is rising up. How concerned are we at this point that there is a true possibility for a new sort of revolution, that really is going to undermine the Constitution? I mean, kind of, you know, in a sense what the, the Thomas Massey's and the Tucker Carlsen's and the Marjorie Taylor Green's are saying where, like, you know what, we've tried the Trump thing. We're done with that party, we're done with both parties, and we want to do something so completely different, that, that may be the future of where the, the MAGA movement is headed. And I'd be very concerned about that. I'm not a fan of, of Tucker's whole positioning.
Rich Baris: Very. And again, the first couple of chapters of the book are trying to get people to understand each other's point of view. But then later on, there's this decency in America. The later chapters, especially from 6 on, really discussed all of those historical that we use various test cases that you were to refer to what you were
Rich Baris: just talking about, which is like, look, this has happened before. There's actually a very real template, for how societies can devolve like this. And it looks very similar to what we're all staring at right now. So we'll go through several historical case studies to show people this can happen because I think in a America, this is a bit unique to America. We have this complacency and we have this almost false sense of security that these things can't happen here. Sure, they happened in France. That was the French. You know, they're just a little bit crazier than us. Or it happened in this case study. And we look at a figure like Franco because actually he's kind of revered by some of these younger voters. He got things done. and I think what the point of this is is to try to pierce people's biases a little bit. Like, look, America is acceptable, exceptional, but it's not exempt from the rules of nature. It's not exempt from history. Right. I mean, we are, just an incredibly unique country. And we did things, we just bucked history like, you know, constantly throughout our history. Our own short. But it is a short history, Jenna. It's not like we've been around like Rome for a thousand years. This could go sideways. And it can go sideways very quickly. And looking at the polls and I think this is why people like Tucker and others are probably going to see a lot of success in the post Trump efforts. Error with this, looking at the polling, we're not one of those polls that ever found huge third party vote shares every time there's a presidential election. In 2016, we saw Johnson, right? Gary Johnson had it. And he did all right, you know, maybe 3 to 5% he would poll somewhere in that neighbor, which is high for a third party. Maybe Joe Stein would get two. even in 2020, it dropped again and we could see people just were ready to vote for a two party vote chair again. That was it. By 24, we had Kennedy running. Then Kennedy getting with Trump was obviously a pivotal moment in the campaign because it gave Trump another about 4% and made some of these very difficult battleground states easier to win. And if you look at the history of these battleground states, they do throw a lot of their vote share to third parties. Even Florida has done that over the years quite a bit. When Governor DeSantis was first elected, there were a number. I believe there were seven candidates on that ballot at the time. And third parties did win enough to the point where neither party got over 50% even the win. Ultimately, Governor DeSantis, this is different. What I'm seeing now is different. And I think it reminds me of 1992. Even though I was around that wasn't a pollster. But the vote share levels for third party candidates are very high. If you were to take somebody, we did everybody. We've done Tucker, we've done Joe Kemp, we've done Thomas Massie, we've had fun. We even did JD as an independent against various traditional Republicans in case they were the nominee. And JD Ran as an independent. And I was doing that just to see, you know, how different would that be from some of the other candidates. We're at a point now where J.D. vance, if he ran as an independent, would actually get a higher vote share than every Republican ticket that we tested, which tells you there is a huge chunk of the right wing coalition that doesn't want to do this anymore. And that's terrifying. It really is.
Rich Baris: The last time I brought up 92, because I think there's something in common common there. George Herbert Walker Bush had a major campaign promise. Betrayal. Read my lips. No new taxes. And instead he raised taxes and he started a war. And that war, even was a popular war for the short duration it carried out. This is a campaign, and I hate using the B word, but it is what it is. I mean, this is a broken promise. This is a betrayal at a level that, you know, I'm a millennial, we're similar ages. We've never seen, seen this in our adult life before. You know, even Barack Obama, you could say he was an incredible letdown. But this was a central 10 year campaign promise and he broke it. And unfortunately, there's just, we're gonna have to deal with this and mend these fences before 28, because I do think a third party threat is real. And I, we're gonna have to make nice with that, side that's upset because if they run someone, sure, they're not gonna win, but I can see Thomas Massie getting 15% of the vote. That's it. That's the ball game. Some of these other candidates, depending on the tickets, Jenna, they can get up to 20%. That is not good.
Rich Baris: And we can't win like that. We simply can't. There's the numbers aren't there. We can't win like that. And they'll have a seat at the table once that happens. And how long before we iron it out and everybody understands and is happy with their roles together in a coalition? It could take years.
Rich Baris: And after 1992, it took almost 10 years for George W. Bush, his father, to put the Ross Perot coalition back into the Republican coalition. That's fine. Bill Clinton was president for eight years and America was still strong that we didn't have a great debt. Right. We ended up actually with a peace dividend. We don't have that luxury this time, unfortunately. We just don't. It's for.
Rich Baris: We're over 40 trillion in debt. The economy has structural problems. We can't afford to be 10 years in the wilderness while we figure this out.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, I mean, the Democrat Party is not the party of, you know, the Clinton era or prior Barack Obama changed all of that. And so it's not going to be just this. Well, we have the luxury to potentially, you know, run a spoiler like a Ross Pro, see if we can potentially get the, the algorithm to where all of the disaffected voters on both sides will somehow coalesce to one candidate. I think we're too far apart for that, for, you know, anybody to, to get more than that, you know, 15 or 20% like you were were saying. but we're not going to end up with somebody like a, Bill Clinton. I mean, and not that I was a huge advocate for his presidency, but comparatively to the Kamala Harris's, you know, even, even Hillary and what she ran on, you know, was wildly more to the left than the, Clinton administration. I mean, you know, he was still, you know, the whole, he wasn't just pro abortion on demand. I mean, you know, still kind of was confined to some of the, conservative tradition, even as a Democrat. All right, well, that was just a quick segment of my interview with Rich Barris on the podcast On Demand this week for the full interview, which I highly recommend that you listen to share it with your friends, your family. To actually understand where we're at. in midterms and then heading into 2028, go to afr.net click on the icon for On Demand and you you can listen to that podcast also all of the preceding weeks. And as always, you can reach me and my team. Jennaafr.net preborn has rescued over 400,000 babies from abortion and every day their network clinics rescue 200 babies lives. Will you join PreBorn in loving and supporting young moms in crisis? Save a life today. Go to preborn.com afr.
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Jenna Ellis: Good morning. Well, it is Monday, September 28th, and as we are heading toward the midterms, there is a lot of focus on polling, on where the candidates are, the GOP messaging and, not a lot of people thinking that that's really great at this point. But this, came out late last night, a scoop from real Daily Wire. ICE officers across the country were told this weekend to stop arresting non criminals, agency sources tell the Daily Wire. Now, I may only arrest illegal immigrants, with criminal convictions or charges for the time being, said the sources. The change also ends so called collateral arrest, sources said, meaning officers who find a criminal target alongside others in the country illegally may detain only the target. So, Bill Malusian from Fox News then posted in response, I've spoken on the phone with President Trump and nine ICE and DHS sources about this today. Here's what I've learned. Yes, the verbal guidance did go out to ICE offices across the country last night. I've spoken with ICE agents who received it and were shocked and frustrated by it. It's unclear who it started with. However, I'm told it's erroneous with some type of miscommunication during conversations about prioritizing. Worst first and there's no change in the immigration enforcement policy. President Trump tells me anyone in the country illegally remains on the table for ICE arrest and deportation on. I'm also told new guidance went out to ICE field officers tonight to reaffirm this and that yes, arrests of illegal aliens and collaterals without any criminal history will continue. ICE sources confirmed to me they received the new guidance. Bill Malusian goes on to say, I'm not really sure what happened here, but everyone is on the same page, including President Trump in telling me that his immigration enforcement agenda isn't scaling back. So there was a lot of response to this and chatter on social media. one of the, the commentators, Kyle Seraphin, said this in response. Translation, the Trump administration got caught in another betrayal of the core mission. ICE/DHS employees leaked to people like Daily Wire so the public would be outraged. And it worked. So they're walking it back. It was a trial balloon on amnesty again. Well, what's really going on? Let's welcome Tony Ortiz, who is the editor and founder of Current Revolt. And Tony, I know this is a really big issue to border states especially, ah, like Texas where you are and where you know, currently Ken Paxton is, ah, has razor thin margins, I guess, actually depending on what district we're talking about. And this just doesn't really seem like a good priority, for DHS and ICE under Secretary Mullin, especially this close to the midterms. What do you make of it?
Tony Ortiz: Yeah, it doesn't seem good. And just even the fact that we're having this discussion and we're having to debate whether or not this is true shows that it's kind of a mess. maybe in this, in this department. Right.
Tony Ortiz: That they're debating whether this is accurate. And you have different people saying different things. You know, the fact of the matter is that President Trump ran on, you know, immigration enforcement. And in Texas we've loved that. It's been a good thing, despite the fact that the left, of course, you know, protests against even criminals, even violent criminals getting deported. I, think it's been effective and we've seen that and its effects in a lot of different ways throughout Texas especially. so, you know, again, like, the fact that we're even having this conversation shows that maybe that there's upheaval in that department and hopefully it gets better.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And you know, I think it's been really frustrating to see, ah, the lack of the deportations and the mass deportations that we were promised under the Trump administration. And you know, I was very much on record at the time saying that I, didn't think that Secretary Mullin was necessarily the best pick for, a variety of reasons. But it also seems like there hasn't been a whole lot in the news kind of either way, you know, either from conservatives saying, you know, look at all the priorities of DHS and ice but then on the other hand, from the leftist media, you know, being outraged over all of the deportations, so that possibly signals that not a lot is happening, which is actually frustrating. Yeah. And then, you know, I did see
Tony Ortiz: the argument that, you know, well, if they only go after the violent criminals or at least the one individual of the family, it does make it harder for the remainder of the family to I guess make ends meet. So maybe they'll self deport. So I, I can suppose I could see that, position as well. but you know, you rarely see like, you don't see videos of these border crossings anymore. Right.
Tony Ortiz: You don't see media covering any kind of large, caravans coming in, although it looks like there may be one coming here soon. So it seems that the, I feel like the aggressive enforcement that we've had here in the United States of these people getting deported has also swayed people that are considering. Come over here from even starting to come over here. So it's been effective. Whether anybody wants to argue it or not, it's been effective that getting, making these, making national news, these deportations. I think it really has put the people that are considering staying or considering hiding here or even coming here, from remaining here and going back to their home countries.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and that's absolutely true that maybe we're not hearing a ton about, ice because there actually has been some, some effectiveness and you know, definitely we're in a much better situation under President Trump than we would be under a Kamala Harris administration. I mean, there's no question. But I think that kind of gets to the heart of where, conservative voters are very frustrated because, the polling is suggesting, and a lot of the social media commentary as well, you know, for, for what that's worth, I mean, that's kind of, you know, some isolated anecdotes, but, but, but, for what it's worth, you know, a lot of people are saying, well, we're tired of just voting for Republicans because we're against Democrats. We want to vote for Republicans because we actually see them as the best champions. And and this goes back to what the GOP promised in 2024 and you know, the golden age of America. And and I just don't see that materializing, at least in the economy, in the mass deportations, in the tax issues and basically the variety of domestic issues. And then when we talk about, you mentioned, this caravan where there are some reports and even videos that are now surfacing that over 400 approximately illegals, predominantly from Honduras, entered Mexico on Thursday ready to make their way to the US Southern border. And there are allegations that, you know, someone must be incentivizing or providing for this type of movement. It's not necessarily organic and I find it interesting that it's popping up right now, you know, less than, than two months ahead. I mean, we're getting almost about a month out from the midterms. so where, where do you think that the voters are actually at? Because, you know, something like this, even former Congressman Marjorie Taylor Green is suggesting, and she posted this in response yesterday. We haven't seen a caravan headed to the US Southern border in several years. Why now? Oh yeah, there's an election coming and the GOP needs to scare you into voting because nothing else is working. I don't really buy that particular angle, but I can see, you know, how some would suggest. Okay, you know, here's, here's now where, the GOP is headed with messaging. Yeah, I mean, I don't really buy
Tony Ortiz: the conspiracy theory angle either, but it does bring up a good point. Whereas the GOP is not in a great spot. Right.
Tony Ortiz: Most people view the economy as not great. Gas prices are out of control. Whether or not you support this war, the fact that there is a war is probably an issue. again, just a issue, is there? Right.
Tony Ortiz: We've got, in Texas, we've got rough top of the, top of the ballot candidates like Ken Paxton, who's got his own set of issues, and then recently Beau French. Whether you agree with his rhetoric or not, it's just like the perfect storm of everything that can go wrong, coming right up to a midterm. So yeah, the GOP would benefit from a huge win right now with their base, and maybe immigration could be that. But you brought up a really good point earlier where if you're running for office, at least in the Republican Party right now, you need to be able to say you're voting for me or you should vote for me, for these reasons versus anything. Hey, don't vote for my opponent because they're so bad. You know, the 2016 Hillary Clinton ran like that. Her presidential. Don't vote for Trump because he's, he's a scary bad man. But they never really gave the pitch as to why anybody should vote for her. And look where she is now.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, other than, you know, she's a woman and we've seen identity politics. Thankfully, not really work, especially for some of the top federal Offices. And, Yeah, and that's absolutely true. I mean, people want to get out and vote because they're excited to vote for something, not just against something. And, you know, and speaking of Republican messaging, I mean, there, There hasn't really been a lot that the GOP has been able to say, you know, look at what we've done for you lately. And obviously, you know, other guests that I've had on this program, as well as, you know, some of the commentators, of course, across the networks, will point to things like. Things like the one big beautiful bill. And it's like, okay, you know, that, that's fine. But that thing over a year ago, we're not really seeing kind of this list that we would have anticipated for the, for the first two years of his second term. And, when we look at the messaging as well, ah, Dan Scavino, who is, who is of course one of, Trump's white, ah, House, chiefs of staff, he posted this video that was clearly AI, you know, and people send him things all the time, but he posted this video on social media. It was either yesterday or the day before, you know, over the weekend. That was, in the context of the state dinner, which was, you know, very lavish. And people are, commenting how that might not be the appropriate time to kind of look at all of this lavishness in Washington when we're dealing with an affordability issue. But this particular video, I don't know if you saw it, you know, had, him and I think it was Rick Trump and, you know, two other women, like, on this, this cart that was, going through the White House, you know, like popping champagne and, you know, toasting and being, very frivolous, basically was how it came across. And the backlash to that, even from, you know, a lot of pretty staunch Trump supporters, was, really surprising to me in the sense that people are, I think, finally willing to express that frustration and disappointment and basically saying that this was tone deaf. And while, you know, it's an AI video and people can say whatever, it sparks kind of the same unnecessary controversy as some of the memes that Trump has posted in the past, where you're thinking, why even give, especially at this moment, anyone on the left or the Democrats, any sort of foothold to say, look, you're tone deaf, you're out of touch, you don't care about the average American and, you know, the Democrats care about affordability and they have answers and, you know, even breach that topic, you're 100% right.
Tony Ortiz: And, you know, politics, a lot like real life, where it's, you know, when your job, it's, what have you done for me lately? And the American citizens are asking the Republican Party, what have you done for me lately? And there's not a ton, at least, unless you're digging really deep that you can really point to. Has the Republican Party and has President Trump done a great job with this country? Yes, absolutely. There's things you can point to, but with the average American mind that just wants to see what is affecting me, what can I see, what is tangible in front of me? It's expensive groceries, high gas prices, a war, and you can keep going on and on. And so that really hurts, right? As a voter, like, why do I do this? And to their point. Yeah, yeah.
Tony Ortiz: You post these videos of you guys part of the administration, partying and hanging out and drinking wine and all this stuff. It is tone deaf because the average person wakes up in the morning and they're looking at their tax bill. They're looking at $5 gas. Right?
Tony Ortiz: And so it's like, do we. What are we? And so it really turns off voters, I think, for wanting to get out. And again, there's no messaging there. It's just my opponents are crazy. You should vote for me. It doesn't hit the way it should.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah. And speaking of messaging as well, there was a post by Mayra, Flores, who previously, you know, ran for office in Texas. And she said, I worked so hard in 20, 22 and 2024 to get Hispanic Americans to vote Republican because I knew that if I didn't we could eventually lo Texas, I did all the hard work and paved the way. Now what? and then she goes on to say that, she got a text during Univision Media this morning that, someone who's a friend or, you know, colleague, whoever it is, she doesn't identify the person texts her saying, you know what I noticed? because I started watching at 10 not to miss you. There was, there were like two or three ads in Spanish for the Democrat candidates. I never saw any for a Republican candidate. And, basically says, this is concerning. And so for ads for Democrats and no ads for Republicans in Spanish. And Laura Ingram, quote posted that and said, republicans. Is this correct? If so, where all the Spanish language ads? And, that's a great question, but I think the, the deeper question is, where is the money? I mean, is there money in Texas? That specifically, but I mean, because I know that like the nrc, the gop, even MAGA Inc. Is spending quite a bit, around the country. But, you know, we all remember, Senator Kennedy going on Fox News and saying, you know, basically, well, you know, the GOP isn't going to spend in Texas because they didn't anticipate as close of a race between Paxton and Talarico. So does this come down to financing?
Tony Ortiz: Well, regarding Myra Flores, it's really easy for her to say that, when she's no longer running, she lost two out of her three races, and where she worked very hard and she still lost by a pretty significant number. So I think it's really easy for some, somebody who's essentially continued to lose, continued to lose, to come out and say, oh, you should be doing this. I don't know if her advice is 100%, where it should be. But, yeah, the bigger question is where's all the money? Right.
Tony Ortiz: Something that James Talarico consistently brags about, when he's out there campaigning is that he's got a lot of small time donors. And if you go online or you go to Facebook or wherever, there's this big like outlandish support for the Senate candidate Ken Paxton. But yet, but he still struggles to raise money. So again, pointing back to is social media is online, real life. You go online and you think that kentaxon is the best thing since sliced bread. But that doesn't translate to actual donations and tangible money for him to run with. And it is concerning where's the money? And to the Trump, the admin's point of, well, we're not going to spend money in Texas because we didn't anticipate it. I don't think anybody anticipated this. I mean, you've got a situation where even the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, is now taking swings at his Democratic opponent. You would never see, you've never seen this, or you very rarely have seen this where Greg Abbott doesn't even, doesn't even acknowledge the fact that he's got an opponent because the race is not even close to being tight. And now you have him taking swings at the Democrat candidate, Gina Hinojosa. And I think people have seen that as a sign that things are, things are a little rough in Texas.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, we got to take a break here. but Tony Ortiz, really appreciate your perspective and you know, this is all really concerning heading into the midterms and we're going to continue talking, specifically about some of the races in Texas. As kind of a bellwether, perhaps for some of the gop, I think, you know, Florida, my home state, is situated a little bit, differently perhaps. but you know, where we are at with the midterms overall, within the various states, it's going to be really interesting. So we'll be right back with more foreign. Hi, I'm Jenna Ellis. Did you know that this content is listener supported? Without people like you, this podcast would not exist. And that's why we need you. A generous monthly gift of any amount will help sustain American Family Radio and specifically this podcast. Please consider becoming a monthly financial partner today by visiting afr.netforward/give. That's afr.net welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. We'll continuing to talk about the midterms, where exactly the GOP stands. And taking a closer look this morning on Texas. this coming from the Guardian. Republican says Trump's support of Ken Paxton in Texas in the Texas primary was a, quote, unquote, colossal mistake. Thom Tillis says Trump's decision to back Paxton over Jon Cornyn has put the Senate seat at risk for Republicans. So US Senator Thom Tillis on Sunday criticized Donald Trump as fellow Republican for the president's support of Paxton over incumbent Jon Cornyn in the Texas Senate Republican primary. Ah, Tillis said, quote, he's made a colossal mistake and he's obviously frequent Trump critic from North Carolina. And he said this during an interview on CNN's State of the Union. which is where Republicans seem to go to air their grievances against the gop. Whenever they're not happy with the party, they, somehow defect and you know, go over to CNN and they're not willing to say some of this stuff on Fox News, which I just find, a little bit D.C. political backstabbing. But, he also said Jon Cornyn is a great member of the US Senate, Paxton has his challenges and we would not be spending tens or hundreds of millions of dol Texas if Cornyn had won. So this is pretty easy for Tillis to say. He's retiring now. But, it is true that the GOP largely is having to spend a lot more in the Paxton Talarico race than they otherwise would. my opinion though is this is worth it. because Cornyn was primaried. I, think it's actually good that we have a better candidate. I think Ken Paxton for, you know, any of the, the personal controvers, his actual record is a lot More solidly conservative. And that's what hopefully will, turn out the Texas vote. But let's welcome in Matthew Williams, who goes by the Prudentialist on social media as a writer and commentator. And, Matthew, I was actually talking, to someone else in Texas who's, you know, close with, state politics and very involved there, who said that, you know, now that this race is really heating up and we're, you know, down to the last few weeks before the election, ah, President Trump and others are finally putting in a lot of money in Texas. do you think that this is going to be effective for Ken Paxton? And, where are Texans at this point?
Matthew Williams: Yeah, absolutely, Jenna, and thank you for having me on. I think that, you know, Ken Paxton's record should be one of the strong focus points with all of this money coming in. Because as a longtime Texas resident and as someone who has been, you know, active in Texas Republican politics for many years, I have always remembered Ken Paxton as the guy that was just Mr. Lawsuit when it came to the Obama administration and, you know, constantly taking the Obama admin to court. And I think that that's a very strong record to stand on given, you know, Mr. Paxton's record. But I mean, the fact that, you know, he is spending so much money backing his endorsement and backing the will of Texas Republican voters is something that's certainly nice to see, now that the rates, of course, is heating up. And at the Republican midterm convention in Dallas earlier this month that, you know, he said that he's going rally in every, you know, tight race across the country. I think that this is a good sign because it shows that the President is willing to answer to the voters and to support those that were primaried and or to support those that had won their primaries. So I think that the energy here on the ground is a little different. I remember in 2018 in Beto O' Rourke versus Ted Cruz, O' Rourke had a lot more energy. He was very popular on social media. I think that the key demographics of the Democratic coalition, especially with minority voters, was much higher in terms of turnout than I think what we're currently seeing right now for James Tallarico, who despite his last name, comes off as a very sort of effete, you know, white, upper middle class kind of pastor character, which I know he still has to do a lot of makeup for voters, especially when he was succeeding in primary against Jasmine Crockett. So overall, I think that, you know, despite what the polling may say, I think the energy on the ground is very different, and the money that Trump has put in is certainly a much needed shot in the arm as Ken, Paxton prepares to, to make the final stretch of this campaign and hopefully get elected to the United States Senate.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and, you know, it is really fascinating looking at, you know, what Tillis and then even Cornyn, who, you know, of course is, you know, he's, he's just hurt basically that that he lost the primary. And so he even has called Paxton a flawed candidate. He won't fundraise for the Texas Senate. Basically, he's not being a team player and acknowledging that primaries happen and sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. and it's the GOP in or the establishment wing, obviously not Trump and not, you know, hopefully the base that will turn out and vote for Paxton. But, but it's some of these establishment, candidates that are focusing a lot on the, the personal issues of Ken Paxton instead of, as you point out, he has a really stellar record. And it surprising to me to see that the gop, largely who are in favor of Paxton aren't doing a better job of bringing that to the forefront. Because more than possibly, you know, a lot of candidates running in this cycle for a variety of statewide offices in multiple states. I mean, Paxton actually has a real depth of, issues and a record that he is running on. And he is somebody that, you know, I don't care what you think about his personal issues. this is somebody that voters should actually be really excited about to be part of the U.S. senate because of that record. And you don't really hear that a lot in the messaging.
Matthew Williams: Yeah, and I think that that is one of the areas that the Paxton campaign and other Republicans in Texas really need to home in on, is that, listen, you have on one hand a guy who is an absolute heretic when it to the question of God and Christianity, someone who thinks that, you know, he can learn more about Jesus from Muslims, someone who would like to open the floodgates both on immigration, but also, child mutilation practices in the medical field. This is someone who is absolutely radical, who has been nothing more but a state rep using the pastoral stove as a way to exercise his politics in the worst way possible, versus someone who has been for literal decades at this point, supporting not only just conservative causes, but the rights of the state and of the people when it comes to an overarching federal government. Someone who's been very resistant to liberal lawfare. And I think that this is an area in which Paxton could a, not only humanize himself a little more from people that want to call him weird or focus on his personal issues, but also at the same time allow him to say, listen, you have a guy who has no experience and is a freak versus a man who has decades of experience representing Texas, representing its interests, representing its people. That way, you know, his, record I think is more than enough for him to run on and be very proud of. And I think that Republicans in Texas and the president should understand that, listen, this guy is a born and raised fighter when it comes to not just the legal field, but also in politics. I mean, this is a man who has survived all kinds of personal attacks, all kinds of establishment improprieties that have been levied against him in the Texas state legislature. And for him to still come out on top, go against the number two Republican in the Senate and when, I mean, that's a, that's the story of a fighter. And I think that that's something that should get a lot of voters excited.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And I mean all of that is, is accurate. And right now, we don't have a debate scheduled, at least between Talarico and Paxton. There have been, you know, a number of overtures, but, you know, nothing that's established. So it really just relies on campaign messaging at this point. Do you think that Texan voters actually understand this about Paxton? And you know, when Talarico wants to call him, we like, you know, have you looked in the mirror, dude? I mean, you know, Talarico is somebody. I'm glad he used the word heretic because that's the only, word that can describe his, his views on God. But he also, you know, is so completely left wing, on, you know, the trans issue, on I mean, almost everything that, you know, he would be more to the left than, you know, some of these purple haired liberals that are out, you know, screaming nonsense about Lindsay Clancy. I mean, that's how, how just completely outrageous of a candidate he actually is. Do you think though that. That voters in Texas actually grasp the differences between the two and why they actually should be excited about somebody like Paxton?
Matthew Williams: Well, this is where I do think that, I'll give Talarico a small slice of credit because every advertisement I have seen Talarico talk about on the issues, that has nothing to do with his personal life, nothing to do with his background, nothing to do with his record outside of, if, you know, his votes in the state house, but it's all focused on accountability, fighting, corruption and most importantly, affordability. And I mean that's just the breadwinning issue right now, I think for a lot of voters. Because the ultimate polling indicator, I think for a lot of people of course, is going to be the price of groceries and the price of gas. And it doesn't matter that James Talarico is a heretic, crazy person who is going to appear to be as normal Joe Normalson as possible. That moment that he gets into office, he is going to vote further to the left than Chairman Mao. And that's sort of been the Democratic strategy as of late, has been push seemingly normal looking candidates who are going to vote like Marxists the moment they get in. I mean, Democrats have been doing this for decades. But overall I think that for his messaging that's sort of the way that he's been going about it. And I think that a lot of Texas voters on the ground kind of are beginning to understand the stakes a little more. I think that they're finally getting out of that post primary haze. I'm sure that there were a lot of establishment Republicans, a lot of establishment voters that were happy to vote for Jon Quan and just let the thing go as normal. But this is the reason why the base needs to get out and vote is because there are so many establishment Republicans and there are so many commentators out there that would love to return to the age of Thom Tillises and Jon Cornyn's rather than actually allowing Americans to express their interests in a candidate that actually represents them. If Texans want to see the change that they want to see specifically with Republican candidates in the Republican Party, this is the reason why people like Ken Paxton and Beau French need to win. Because otherwise the establishment and the Thom Tillises of the world will point to these election results and say we can't go any further to the right than what we've been doing.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, do you, do you see a difference at all in the older voter in Texas versus the younger voter? Because, I had Rich Barris on the, the podcast side on Friday and I'm going to get to that actually in the next segment. who, who had a poll out that was talking about what younger voters actually want and how they're not really scared of socialism and they're embracing it in ways that you know, genuinely should be terrifying for Republicans who don't seem to grasp that if you don't give younger voters actual solutions, and you don't have a record, you know, maybe like, like Paxton then they're going to seek solutions elsewhere. And so, so, you know, do you see a difference in Texas kind of that parallel between what the older generation is looking for in terms of voting, you know, in this statewide not and in districts not just necessarily with the Pax and Talarico race, but you know, kind of overall between the older generation and maybe the younger, more newer voters.
Matthew Williams: Yeah, absolutely. I mean the generational divide with younger voters and older voters is of course as far as the Marianas trend trenches deep. And I think that's something that a lot of Republican pollsters and you know, consultants and pundits may not necessarily want to touch because for the longest time, you know, you've had Gen Xers and baby boomers who are older, disproportionately more wealthy per capita, and of course disproportionately whiter, have voted for Republican very consistently. of course with decades of mass immigration into Texas, not just, you know, into Texas, but the rest of the country, you know, the younger generation is the most diverse in the history of the United States. It is far more open to supporting, you know, its various immigrants and ethnic interests. I mean, we can just look at Zoran Mamdani for example, like most of the people that voted for him were foreign born versus actual native NewSong Yorkers who voted for anyone but him. similar things are happening of course in Texas. But I mean for young Republicans who are active, especially in the yrs, the young conservatives of Texas and the rest, those guys are on a whole different level than make you and I look like moderates. And I mean, I think that that's a good thing to see because I think they understand the stakes because they have grown up now in an education system and in a political system wishes nothing but for them to be destitute or if not outright just extinct. And so to see them get energized and radicalized for getting people out to vote, signing them up and making sure that they're registered for people like Ken Paxton and other candidates that are strong on immigration, strong against this sort of third world understanding of politics, which is just, I want mine, you scratch my back and we're all going to divvy up whatever we make with our taxes. So overall I think that this is a good thing to see. however, the stakes are high because of course, you know, Texas is majority minority at this point and that's going to make it for tight races in the future. So again, I think that there's more candidates that we have that are going to support, you know, immigration restrictionist policies like Ken Paxton, the better. But this is why the people who are working in this campaign need to really drive home the message that, listen, this is your last chance before we either go back to Jon Cornyn types or we are ruled by James Talarico's forever. And I mean, we've seen this, not just with, you know, the Senate race, but across the state as well, that older, more rural conservative voters are tending to stick with the establishment because the problems that younger voters are seeing are further away from them, geographically speaking. They're not feeling the impact of cultural erasure and demographic replacement like a lot of conservatives in the cities and the suburbs are feeling. I mean, you can just see, for instance, the primary race is between Paxton and Jon Cornyn, but also between, Beau French and Jim Wright. Like, you know, more suburban and urban Republican voters were more willing to side with a guy further to the right because they live closer to the problem. And I mean, for people under 30, you know, with Rich Barris and his, book that just recently came out, you know, burned it down, that sensation and that feeling is there for a lot of people, not just to those on the left, but those on the right as well, where they certainly feel as if the system has not been working towards their favor. And the last 10 years of politics has opened a window in which they can get involved. And if they're not going to allow these victories or these movements to happen successfully, then they're open to new ideas because the system for them feels like it has failed them. And this is why you need fighters out there in the Senate and other places to make sure that those fights and those discussions can actually happen. Because if not, you might lose a whole generation of voters to someone who is willing to offer them, them the chance to say, I will make life better for you, doesn't matter at what cost, but let's go in that direction. And it's going to certainly upend politics as we know it.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. I mean, so well said. And you know, last question for you, Matthew, Williams. do you think that the, the GOP consultant class actually understands this? Because I'm seeing a lot more of the, the commentators, you know, the pollsters, the people who are, you know, kind of day in, day out engaged in politics, like you and me, for example, understanding where some of these pitfalls are. We would have advice on messaging and, you know, we've been talking about this a really long time. And yet, you know, The GOP isn't paying me to give any of this advice or to have any of this commentary, but they pay a lot to these political consultants that are the ones that are supposed to be doing all of this analysis and commentary and shaping the message. And it seems like the consultant Cloud Glass is, you know, somewhere out there with the Jon Cornyns and the Thom Tillises of the world that they just somehow, it's like they're so far removed from the actual kitchen table issues that they're not translating it well.
Matthew Williams: No, I would, I would agree with that wholeheartedly. And I mean, if I'm going to make a, historical comparison, I feel like a lot of the political consultant class, especially for the establishment Republicans, it's as if we are in an ancient Chinese empire and the consultant class is nothing more but a gang of scheming court eunuchs that to just simply stay as close to the levers of power as possible and where the money is, because that's where their comfort is. It's a lot harder as a consultant to stick your neck out on a candidate that seems risky or edgy, despite the fact that there's nothing that Ken Paxton or someone like Beau French has said that is anywhere beyond the pale, when it's just blatantly obvious, when I can stick my head out the window and see how bad the things are in the state. So I think that for the consultant class, I think one, a pair needs to be found and grown and to understand that if you want Republicans to ever have a chance at staying in power, this is the direction that things are going in. Sure, we can fine tune the messaging, we can make it about culture, the economy, or however you feel comfortable framing it. But the reality is, is that you have people in Congress, people in the consultancy class, people in the media that are openly dancing and tap dancing for joy on, you know, the idea that Republicans will never win again either due to immigration, poor messaging on the issues, only catering to the elderly. I mean, Nancy Mace is an excellent example of this where, you know, we're talking about no t taxes on boats and yachts and things like that. I mean, the term boomer luxury communism is a very real one for a reason. And so I think that the consultant class needs to understand that as the boomers get older and are beginning to die out, that you need to turn your attention towards the younger, lower propensity voters. Because if you can succeed in messaging to their needs, which is a radically different world than the one you and I grew up in, and even the people who are younger than me, I'm only 30, and I consider myself someone who is certainly ready to vote for Paxton. But at the same time, the consultancy class needs to understand that 30 and under is a totally different world. And as those guys get older and are more politically engaged, they need to be willing to work with them. Because if not, you know, then you get the title of Barris book. They're willing to burn it all down.
Jenna Ellis: So well said. All right, well, we've got to take a break here, but really appreciate, appreciate it. And, you can follow Matthew, Williams at the Prudentialist on acts. I'd encourage you to do that. And we will be right back with more. We're living in a defining moment in history. Today, a woman facing an unexpected pregnancy can order the abortion pill online, often before anyone has had the chance to tell her she is loved, that she's not alone, or that there is hope. That's why you are needed right now. You were made for this moment. At, PreBorn Network clinics, mothers are welcomed with compassion, practical support, and a free ultrasound. And when she sees her baby and hears that tiny heartbeat for the very first time, fear often gives way to hope. In fact, more than 80% of abortion vulnerable women choose life after seeing their baby on an ultrasound at a Pre Breath Network clinic. That one moment can save a baby's life and open a mother's heart to the hope of Jesus Christ. This is our moment to stand. For those who cannot speak for themselves. Just $28 provides one life saving ultrasound. $140 helps rescue five babies. Please don't wait. Dial pound 250 and say the keyword baby. That's pound 250 baby. Or give [email protected] afr that's preborn.com afr Together, we can save lives one heartbeat at a time. welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio. Welcome back.
Jenna Ellis: Well, as we've been talking about throughout this program, the GOP really needs to isolate and focus on where their messaging is going in two communities, completely different views of reality. And it doesn't come down to just, well, our candidates are slightly better. Our issues are, are definitely better. Or socialism bad, Democrats bad. Because that actually isn't working for younger voters in particular, who are soon set to be the, largest voting demographic. I'm old enough to remember as a millennial when millennials, millennials, were the largest voting bloc. And when we get into Gen Z and Gen Alpha, Republicans and conservatives are going to have to make a better case. And I, I, focused on that in an interview with Rich Barris, who is a, a pollster and director of Big Data Poll. And we did a wide ranging conversation on the podcast side. On Demand. that's our AFR exclusive podcast this past Friday. And I want to play just a portion of this interview. Interview. Because it's so important for conservative Christians to understand exactly what we're dealing with and why the younger generation actually isn't moved by simply saying, well, these are socialist candidates and we would think as Christian conservatives, they should be, but the data isn't, is just not suggesting that they are as concerned with socialism and they're actually in some instances and far too many actually embracing it. And so I want you to go and listen to this entire interview, but I want to play just a portion of it again. It's On Demand. this past Friday you can go to afr.net and click on the icon for On Demand. Listen to this whole interview, but listen to just a portion of this. We're hearing the same kind of messaging we did did, you know, all the way back in, you know, 2018, 2019. Oh, Democrats are in disarray, you know, and it's like, no, they're actually not. And to your point, they are a lot more disciplined. These DSA candidates have figured out how to appeal to younger voters on, you know, TikTok and social media. And while it looks a little, you know, screwy to, to somebody like me, who that doesn't appeal to, it actually does to the younger voters. And meanwhile you just have, you know, kind of these stiff Republicans suits that are out just doing the Fox News parade that none of the younger voters are paying attention to. And so, you know, when, when you talk about, and this book is so fascinating. Burn it down. This is the book that, you know, all the, all of my listeners, you need to read. Burn it down. What, what the polls are saying young Americans really want. how concerned are you as well that this literally will come to a point? I mean like what we've seen seen in historical revolutions. I mean, you know, like the French Revolution that was just like, we're done. And here's where, you know, the population is rising up. How concerned are we at this point that there is a true possibility for a new sort of revolution, that really is going to undermine the Constitution? I mean, kind of, you know, in a sense what the, the Thomas Massey's and the Tucker Carlsen's and the Marjorie Taylor Green's are saying where, like, you know what, we've tried the Trump thing. We're done with that party, we're done with both parties, and we want to do something so completely different, that, that may be the future of where the, the MAGA movement is headed. And I'd be very concerned about that. I'm not a fan of, of Tucker's whole positioning.
Rich Baris: Very. And again, the first couple of chapters of the book are trying to get people to understand each other's point of view. But then later on, there's this decency in America. The later chapters, especially from 6 on, really discussed all of those historical that we use various test cases that you were to refer to what you were
Rich Baris: just talking about, which is like, look, this has happened before. There's actually a very real template, for how societies can devolve like this. And it looks very similar to what we're all staring at right now. So we'll go through several historical case studies to show people this can happen because I think in a America, this is a bit unique to America. We have this complacency and we have this almost false sense of security that these things can't happen here. Sure, they happened in France. That was the French. You know, they're just a little bit crazier than us. Or it happened in this case study. And we look at a figure like Franco because actually he's kind of revered by some of these younger voters. He got things done. and I think what the point of this is is to try to pierce people's biases a little bit. Like, look, America is acceptable, exceptional, but it's not exempt from the rules of nature. It's not exempt from history. Right. I mean, we are, just an incredibly unique country. And we did things, we just bucked history like, you know, constantly throughout our history. Our own short. But it is a short history, Jenna. It's not like we've been around like Rome for a thousand years. This could go sideways. And it can go sideways very quickly. And looking at the polls and I think this is why people like Tucker and others are probably going to see a lot of success in the post Trump efforts. Error with this, looking at the polling, we're not one of those polls that ever found huge third party vote shares every time there's a presidential election. In 2016, we saw Johnson, right? Gary Johnson had it. And he did all right, you know, maybe 3 to 5% he would poll somewhere in that neighbor, which is high for a third party. Maybe Joe Stein would get two. even in 2020, it dropped again and we could see people just were ready to vote for a two party vote chair again. That was it. By 24, we had Kennedy running. Then Kennedy getting with Trump was obviously a pivotal moment in the campaign because it gave Trump another about 4% and made some of these very difficult battleground states easier to win. And if you look at the history of these battleground states, they do throw a lot of their vote share to third parties. Even Florida has done that over the years quite a bit. When Governor DeSantis was first elected, there were a number. I believe there were seven candidates on that ballot at the time. And third parties did win enough to the point where neither party got over 50% even the win. Ultimately, Governor DeSantis, this is different. What I'm seeing now is different. And I think it reminds me of 1992. Even though I was around that wasn't a pollster. But the vote share levels for third party candidates are very high. If you were to take somebody, we did everybody. We've done Tucker, we've done Joe Kemp, we've done Thomas Massie, we've had fun. We even did JD as an independent against various traditional Republicans in case they were the nominee. And JD Ran as an independent. And I was doing that just to see, you know, how different would that be from some of the other candidates. We're at a point now where J.D. vance, if he ran as an independent, would actually get a higher vote share than every Republican ticket that we tested, which tells you there is a huge chunk of the right wing coalition that doesn't want to do this anymore. And that's terrifying. It really is.
Rich Baris: The last time I brought up 92, because I think there's something in common common there. George Herbert Walker Bush had a major campaign promise. Betrayal. Read my lips. No new taxes. And instead he raised taxes and he started a war. And that war, even was a popular war for the short duration it carried out. This is a campaign, and I hate using the B word, but it is what it is. I mean, this is a broken promise. This is a betrayal at a level that, you know, I'm a millennial, we're similar ages. We've never seen, seen this in our adult life before. You know, even Barack Obama, you could say he was an incredible letdown. But this was a central 10 year campaign promise and he broke it. And unfortunately, there's just, we're gonna have to deal with this and mend these fences before 28, because I do think a third party threat is real. And I, we're gonna have to make nice with that, side that's upset because if they run someone, sure, they're not gonna win, but I can see Thomas Massie getting 15% of the vote. That's it. That's the ball game. Some of these other candidates, depending on the tickets, Jenna, they can get up to 20%. That is not good.
Rich Baris: And we can't win like that. We simply can't. There's the numbers aren't there. We can't win like that. And they'll have a seat at the table once that happens. And how long before we iron it out and everybody understands and is happy with their roles together in a coalition? It could take years.
Rich Baris: And after 1992, it took almost 10 years for George W. Bush, his father, to put the Ross Perot coalition back into the Republican coalition. That's fine. Bill Clinton was president for eight years and America was still strong that we didn't have a great debt. Right. We ended up actually with a peace dividend. We don't have that luxury this time, unfortunately. We just don't. It's for.
Rich Baris: We're over 40 trillion in debt. The economy has structural problems. We can't afford to be 10 years in the wilderness while we figure this out.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, I mean, the Democrat Party is not the party of, you know, the Clinton era or prior Barack Obama changed all of that. And so it's not going to be just this. Well, we have the luxury to potentially, you know, run a spoiler like a Ross Pro, see if we can potentially get the, the algorithm to where all of the disaffected voters on both sides will somehow coalesce to one candidate. I think we're too far apart for that, for, you know, anybody to, to get more than that, you know, 15 or 20% like you were were saying. but we're not going to end up with somebody like a, Bill Clinton. I mean, and not that I was a huge advocate for his presidency, but comparatively to the Kamala Harris's, you know, even, even Hillary and what she ran on, you know, was wildly more to the left than the, Clinton administration. I mean, you know, he was still, you know, the whole, he wasn't just pro abortion on demand. I mean, you know, still kind of was confined to some of the, conservative tradition, even as a Democrat. All right, well, that was just a quick segment of my interview with Rich Barris on the podcast On Demand this week for the full interview, which I highly recommend that you listen to share it with your friends, your family. To actually understand where we're at. in midterms and then heading into 2028, go to afr.net click on the icon for On Demand and you you can listen to that podcast also all of the preceding weeks. And as always, you can reach me and my team. Jennaafr.net preborn has rescued over 400,000 babies from abortion and every day their network clinics rescue 200 babies lives. Will you join PreBorn in loving and supporting young moms in crisis? Save a life today. Go to preborn.com afr.
Jenna Ellis discusses the current state of the GOP as we approach the midterms. Joined by Tony Ortiz, the conversation delves into the recent changes in immigration enforcement policies and the implications for candidates like Ken Paxton in Texas. The episode also explores the challenges the Republican Party faces in appealing to younger voters, the importance of strong messaging, and the potential for third-party candidates to disrupt the political landscape.
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