Understanding The Clash Of Worldviews: God's Truth vs. Secular Humanism's Deception
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Jenna Ellis: I love talking about the things of God. Because of truth and the biblical worldview, the U.S. constitution obligates our government to preserve and protect the rights that our founders recognize come from God our creator, not our government. I believe that scripture in the Bible is very clear that God is the one that raised up each of you and God has allowed us to be brought here to this specific moment in time. This is Jenna Ellis in the morgue. Morning.
Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Monday, September 14, and we find ourselves in, if we can step, you know, the 30,000 foot perspective. We find ourselves at a crossroads in Western civilization. Not even here domestically in America, but I think across, Christendom as as my guest this morning has rightly, called it, instead of just a, Western civilization or Western culture, because we're facing two completely diametrically opposed views of reality. one that is premised on truth and that moral, truth is discoverable. That we understand who we are as human beings made in God's image in our relationship with him. And that the, the universe around us is created by him, dictated by him in terms of the laws, and the moral laws that he has confined us to. And how we choose then to form a government and to enact policy must be legitimate and must follow the authority that he delegates, to our government and then to us and how we interact as citizens.
Secular Humanism's Rise: God Is Dead, Man Is The End Of All Things
And all of that is to put forward a more moral and upright society. then on the other hand, you have a completely different view of reality. One that is basically rooted in secular humanism. This idea that God is dead or never was or is totally irrelevant, must be excised from society. That man is the end of all things and that we can create the world in our own image. And whatever we determine is good or evil, evil permissible versus punishable. That's what we ought to do, with our civil society. And so if we believe that socialism is the best way to go about things in 2026, well then we'll have a DSA candidates and anything that sounds good. There's no greater principle, no greater moral force in society, than simply what we decide. And arbitrarily what sounds good feeds our emotion, feeds our our particular needs. And so, there was an article this past week in the Telegraph that was talking about. And the headline is how the far right has seized on Christianity for moral cover. And the headline continues from Tommy Robinson to Dover. Protesters, hardliners are invoking religion to justify their beliefs, spurring a new Christian nationalism. Now they use that term, Christian nationalism, I think a little differently in the context of this article than we have on this program and that some people do.
Christian Nationalism: Justifying Political Stances With Morals And Symbolism
And that's the, the problem inherently with that term is it's a little bit vague depending on what you're talking about. But the main point really is that we are using Christian morals and Christian symbolism and ultimately Christian beliefs in the Christian worldview to justify more and more political positions. And the UK is doing this in some ways I think that are, that are good, some ways that maybe aren't so good. Just like here in America. I mean there are some people that, that are justifying being more patriarchal and saying that you know, women have absolutely no place in society whatsoever. and they're trying to use a version of Scripture that is undermining obviously the inherent dignity of women. But they're trying to then combat feminism, which is a good thing, but ultimately going too far and in a bad way. Right. So we have to make sure that what we're advocating for as Christians is truthful, it's bad biblical. but ultimately the, the greater response here is that I think, and the discussion that I want to have is that that people are starting to recognize, I think these two polar opposite views of reality and that one is coherent, actually leads to freedom and liberty, and the other one is totally inconsistent, has never worked and leads to ultimate bondage and, and the government, forcing individuals and subjecting them to whatever the whim of government is. And these two different views of reality are up for election in November and are here in America and have been in various ways in a clash, over the last human history. views of reality that are different, either God or not God, but especially with this kind of post liberal, this post reality, post truth kind of a worldview especially and increasingly over the last about 20 years. And so I want to welcome in Calvin Robinson, who hosts his own show, who's a podcaster and a, a commentator, ah and also a priest. And, and is prolific on a lot of these topics. And Calvin, this article struck me as making some good points and then also, I think, missing it a little bit when it's focused so much on the symbolism rather than, I think, the fundamental clash between these two completely diametrically opposed views.
The Telegraph's Article: Misinterpreting Christian Nationalism Through A Class Lens
That, yes, Christians can't just say, well, we're doing anything in the name of God, therefore it's right. But rather when we are saying that a legitimate government must be premised in truth, it must be premised in biblical reality, ah, limited government must be confined to legitimacy, then we are the only ones that actually have an argument outside ourselves that's actually objective, that's transcendent, and that's not just completely arbitrary. And so how do you view these two opposing realities clashing across Christendom today?
Calvin Robinson: Thank you, Jenna. Yeah, I think you hit some good points in there. But, if I may, I think the point you're missing from this article, which I found astonishing, was the class, dynamic in Britain. So people in America often forget this because America is so open that anyone can do anything, anyone could become anything, and it's the land of dreams. Whereas in Britain, we still do live in a class society. It's not as bad as India's caste system, but there is still an expectation that people in society stay within their social bubble. And so when I'm reading this article in the, in the Telegraph, I'm reading it in that context because there's a very snobby author here, a chap called Kelly, who's projecting ideas, onto people that may not be there because of their class. So from the, from the very sub headline where he says Tommy Robinson, and protesters invoking religion to justify their beliefs, spurring a new Christian nationalism, like he's saying that they are using their religion to justify something rather than using their religion to form their beliefs. He thinks he's using it, they're using it to justify their beliefs. And I'll tell you why I think he thinks that is because Tommy Robinson is a working class, British man, white British man, from Luton, from a very working class area with lots of diversity that has experienced lots of issues because of that diversity. He's fought against it. Now, I've interviewed Tommy before he had his faith, and I've spoken to him after he had his faith. Ah, so he went to prison. and before he went to prison, I gave him a rosary. And, he came out of prison identifying as a Christian. He said he found his faith in Prison. And I think it helped him get through prison. And he came out and he started to organize these events. I helped him organize. In fact, I came up with the name Uniting the Kingdomnomics. the idea of getting people together, getting patriots together who are sick and tired of the established not really caring or not improving their lives and just getting people together to recognize that we can help each other. We don't necessarily need to rely on the government because the government isn't necessarily on our side.
Genuine Faith vs. Perceived Justification: Examining Christian Nationalism Critiques
Now, I think that's patriotic, I think that's a good thing. But he wants to do it because he's a Christian, whereas the person writing the article assumes that it's a justification. And as you go through the article, you know, you can read the subtext. They kind of out themselves. They say things like, yes, he, ah, was a Christian. What was this one? it felt like an old fashioned 195010 revival meeting with gospel calls, preaching to conversion and lots of singing. Anyone who turned up for a good thump was disappointed. So they initially say in their own words, it wasn't a violent mob, it wasn't people looking for a fight. It was genuine.
Calvin Robinson: It felt like a revival. But then they say things like, Thomas's perform the faith, or Thomas's performed version of the faith is now at the forefront of all he does. Like, yes, your faith should be at the forefront of all you do. But the way they put his performed faith in there, they assume the faith is somehow performative because there's two elements to it. One is that there's the class divided. So they cannot stand this idea that the working class, is using, taking their faith. The faith, the Christian faith is for the people of the other classes. Right? It's a tea club, it's a social club. At this point. It's not actually about faith, virtues and values. It's about who you are and who you get to network with. So there's that element of it. But the other part of it is that they feel judged by these people who are trying to be Christian, who are trying to put it at the forefront of everything they do, because they don't. And that's why many people feel judged by Christians, isn't it?
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Because we, we try to live a life in Christ and of course we always fail and we have to get ourselves back up and pick our crosses up again. But by trying to become holy, we set ourselves apart from the world and the world feels judged by that. And that's what this comes down to, in my humble opinion.
Jenna Ellis: M and you Know, what an interesting commentary. And, and yes, I mean, that's so different than what, what it is here in America. But the key point I think that I, I found really fascinating from what you're describing is that, and this author, I think, does miss the point overall. but that the outside views Christians as justifying our actions because of our faith, rather than having our faith form our beliefs. And so therefore, that's why we're advocating for the policy that we do. And I think that's a critical decision distinction. And how should Christians understand that distinction?
Calvin Robinson: Yeah, it is indeed. And Christians are always going to be judged on this. And so we have to almost wear it as a badge of honor. If people are telling us that what we're doing is performative or we're larping, or we are just, you know, wearing a, skin suit of Christianity or we're doing it to justify ourselves, we have to sh. There's nothing we can do but shrug that off and continue anyway, because it's working. It means that people see us as different to them M. The world sees us as different, and the world should see us as different because we are supposed to be a light to the nations. We're supposed to lead people to Christ. We can't do it if we're like everyone else around us. We can't do it if we are recognizably part of the world. To be in the world, but not of the world means we have to be amongst, the people so that we are neighbors, so that we can love our neighbors. And to love our neighbors is to lead them to Christ so that they can be saved. Conversion, of the heart by Christ and the grace of God through Christ. And so we have to be hated. We have to expect to be hated. We have to be misjudged, and people will misinterpret our views constantly. And we have to find a way to rise above that and not get defensive and say, yes, I am different, but it's not for the reasons you expect. Let me explain why. We've got to use an opportunity to introduce people to Christ, even people that think they already know him.
Jenna Ellis: Absolutely. And you know, and a major criticism in the article is that many of these participants appear in the writer's shallow view, to have a shallow theological knowledge. And that's going to always be part of the criticism. Right. And so he argues that some of these, marchers in the UK are highly committed to the particular, quote, unquote, Christian ideals they identify with, but they have Relatively little knowledge of Christianity compared with a regular churchgoers in his opinion. Right. And enemy.
Shallow Theology Or Deeper Truth? The Nuances Of Christian Political Engagement
He appears to have shallow theological knowledge, but he's talking about, you know, this kind of imagery as almost put on, and that justification. Right. Instead of forming that belief. And I think there's while that's a major over generalization and would be a false generalization of someone like you and me, obviously who our theology forms our beliefs first and is the whole reason that we do everything that we do. I think there is a nugget of truth there to say that there are some in at least the American political movement that now have some of this imagery. whether it's just overtly maga or patriotic or even Christian, or a blend of both. because I think the American experiment is distinctly Christian. So the American flag carries that sort of religiosity in it anyway. And that's what the left finds so offensive. But ultimately, how can Christians actually make sure or advocate for the adherence to this big fight right now between these opposing worldviews and then each of these issues? I mean, when you get down to, you know, this isn't just a clash between Christians and Muslims and who controls the country. This is ultimately a clash between truth and falsity. And people like the writer of this article are going to say, well, you don't have any, a lot of these people don't have any greater theology. They just hate Muslims. How do we actually educate those among our movement to have that deeper theological knowledge?
Calvin Robinson: Yeah, that's an interesting point. I think there are two sides to that as well. I think that the writer of this article wouldn't have a problem with a foreigner in Britain having a faith, a different faith, such as a Muslim. In fact, they'd almost look down on them in a patronizing way. Oh, isn't it nice you've got a faith? As in like. Because the metropolitan liberal elite in our country are. They're almost. They feel like they're beyond faith, like we don't need Christianity anymore. We have the morals, we have the value, we've done all that. You know, it's kind of the abstract what you were talking about at the beginning, that secular idea that we can be good without God not recognizing that God is good and without him there is no good or definition of good or evil. It's just we're making up as we go along. They've made gods of themselves. So they're okay with people like Muslims having a faith. It's the working class Christians that Don't like having a faith because again, they feel judged because they no longer have theirs.
Reclaiming Christian Imagery: From National Flags To Personal Discipleship
But to the point you are making, you know, they'll say, oh, you're co opting the imagery. You're wearing crosses around your neck. Good, I want to see more public witnesses of Christ. And you know, you mentioned the flags. The English flag is quite literally a Christian flag, is the Cross of St George, which is often painted in imagery of Christ holding it himself, you know, the white background and a red cross. And so that's in all of the flags of Great Britain. All of our flags are Christian flags quite explicitly. And so we should be co opting those images. We should be taking that imagery with us. However, that's just an on ramp. That's just the starting point. And so what I would say to people like the author of his article is let's not judge the people who are just coming to the faith. You know, when they say things like, they've just found the faith, but what are they going to do with it? Here the quote was, it seems that more than just a handful of activists had also found God, but what did they want to do with their newfound faith? So that shouldn't be the question. This question should be, okay, so more than a handful of activists have also found God. Fantastic. Congratulations. Here is what we can do to help you grow in your faith. That's what we should be saying. And of course that means going to church regularly, at least every Sunday. That means going to Bible study. It means forming groups with other, with other men or women and just learning and reading through the Bible and, and taking in the faith and growing the faith. It's this assumption that people are using it just for the imagery that's just really bad, a bad faith assumption. If people are starting to recognize that they need God and they're finding him and they're starting to take on board Christian imagery, that's amazing for everyone concerned because we need more Christians. And so these people need discipling. That's what they need. And that's our job, I suppose.
Jenna Ellis: Yes, so said. And it's so true that that the new Christians need discipleship.
The Foundation Of Western Civilization: Building On Christian Worldview And Truth
And even those who are new in the political movement, if they are rejecting socialism, they're rejecting Sharia, law, they're rejecting all of these things as, you know, as anti American, which they are, then it's our obligation as Christians to tell them why and to say, you know, here's the foundation and why this isn't just about an economic view or a constitutional or civil law system. This is so much more than that. And show them the foundation of why you can build up from your faith. And that the Christian worldview has to be at the heart and the core, and that it is for a Western civilization. I mean, for all of these countries that we're talking about. I mean, that's why the imagery is so embedded in history, in our flags, in our culture. And it used to be so much more pronounced. I mean, I was even watching, a video of the provinces of Canada with a friend the other day. totally different context, but there was a beautiful panorama of, you know, this small, ah, town in Canada. And, in the epicenter of this tiny village is this beautiful church. And you can tell that it's a church because the buildings used to look like churches. You had the crosses, the steeples. I mean, that used to be the center of the city. And I mentioned her, I said, you know, this, I wish that we had that again in this country. We are completely, just, just obliterating that imagery. Even when the churches exist, they don't look like churches anymore. And so we do need to bring that back because that starts to provoke those questions. And then we can take advantage of every opportunity to make those disciples and to share the truth of why this isn't just one political philosophy that is clashing with another. This ultimately boils down to truth. And so I agree with you.
Restoring Sacred Spaces: Integrating Christianity Into Culture And Everyday Life
We need to bring back the symbolism and make Christianity part of our culture and our everyday heritage like it used to be. I mean, all of the paintings of you, even in the 1950s and before of, you know, the family sitting at the dinner table, praying, and all of those things that we have now completely just outcast from our society. And it's like Christians and Christianity. I, can't be part of our regular space because that's confined just to your churches. And it has to be all secular instead of the sacred being part of everyday society. So we're already out of time. I don't even have time to ask you for closing thoughts, Calvin Robinson. But, this is why I so appreciate, though, you coming on, sometimes on the podcast side where we have a deeper dive, but we need to be talking more about this and about the culture, Christianity and getting our culture back to the things of truth so that we can prompt all of these questions. Ephesians 5 says, Take advantage of every opportunity for the days or evil. We need to take that into 20, 26 and beyond. We'll be Right back. M Hi, I'm Jenna Ellis. Did you know that this content is listener supported? Without people like you, this podcast would not exist. And that's why we need you.
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. Well, we're talking about these two, fundamental opposing views of reality. And that's essentially what Vice President Vance and President Trump, issued in terms of a plea for Americans to vote Republican on the last night of the convention. In the midterms last week, Vice President Vance had a request for people who might disagree with the Republican Party on an issue or a policy vote for us anyway. And this is coming from npr.org they didn't frame it exactly in the way that I am, but I think that they kind of got the message. And so they quote Vance in his remarks where he said, don't give the country over to a bunch of crazy people because you happen to disagree with us on, on a policy issue here or there. Recognize the achievements of the last 18 months. We have done a lot, my friends, and we can do more if we fight together. His plea echoes President Trump's requests for Republicans to vote in November as if he were on the ballot. Trump said, and I think he recognizes that there might be lower turnout because the name Trump isn't on the ballot. And he said, please pretend that I'm running, which is ah, which is very Trump. And he said if we don't have majorities, so much can be lost. So let's welcome in ah, Paul Teller, who's the president of Teller Strategies and was with President Trump in the first administration. And and Paul, I was listening to actually a great podcast from Newt Gingrich who was talking about. And it's, it's actually a five part series that was recommended to me by Frank Pavone, a dear friend of both of ours. And and it's really fantastic. but I was listening to the first part last night and, and and Newt actually compared the midterms with the 2016 initial presidential, election for Trump where everybody was saying, you know, all is lost and Hillary's definitely going to win. And he brought it back to kind of these two entirely different versions of reality were really what is on the ballot. And that mattered even more than the name Trump. And so his advice was don't run a referendum, you know, against socialism.
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Make it about the issues, and don't run a personal campaign, have a team campaign, and make this about two entirely different versions of reality, because that's ultimately what won in 2016. And I think he's right.
Paul Teller: I think it's a great point. I mean, first of all, always great to be with you.
Paul Teller: Thank you for having me back. A great honor. And, yeah, I think Newt's exactly right. Let's face it, if anyone knows how to win when, you know all the wind, it's new King. So, like, we should be absolutely listening, you know, to his advice, because that's. I think, what's. What a really important part of what he said there is that look. And too many conservatives are just going out there pointing a finger at the other side and saying, you know, he's a socialist, He's a socialist. The problem is, I hate to say it, person couldn't define socialism if forced to. Right. I mean, like, we know it's bad. People know it's bad. In terms of what it is. What exactly is bad? really? No. Right. And so, like, you're much better off, as he was saying, talk about the issues. Like, instead of saying, she's a socialist, you know, she believes the government needs to own more of your resources, or she believes that, you know, and girls are the exact same thing and should treat it the same things, like things that people could really understand. That's what the President. Vice President. Were getting at, last week.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And that is such an important distinction, because if we just make it about the personalities and say, you know, for example, in Texas, like, you know, Ken Paxton versus James Talarico and make it more about the two people running instead of the ideologies that they literally will carry with them, into office in the Senate. Well, then it becomes so much more clear when you actually look at what Ken Paxton, how he would vote in the Senate, what he would do, what his.
The Power Of Team Branding: Connecting Ideologies To Voter Perceptions And Policies
What his record has been as Attorney General in Texas and what he has stood for, what he has stood against. And the same thing, with Talarico. And if you make this more about a team and about the issues, then I think that is a much stronger campaign. And I think that we got that out of the convention. And I think that's also what I found personally so brilliant about what Governor DeSantis did in his leadership forum, a couple of weeks ago with the four, main, the statewide, office holders that are running for reelection, or election in Byron's case, but the four statewide offices and made it about, this is your leadership team. And it brought a whole different view because suddenly you're not critiquing whether you like or dislike one particular policy stance of one particular candidate. It was like, you know, here's your team and if you want the issues to continue and you want us to keep fighting for these principles, then you'll vote in our team. And that to me is a much stronger argument.
Paul Teller: That's a great point. I also, to echo our Richard Vigory, he's bringing the point that every time we use words or labels to describe people that are not on the balance, make it harder for people who they should, vote for. So in other words, you know, in most places anyway, but in most places in America, the word socialist is not on the ballot, but the word Democrat is. Right? So we should be out there kind of saying the Democrats, do X, Y and Z. They, they're fine with transit and they're fine with taking away parental rights, et cetera, et cetera. This every time we say socialists and other markets, you know, in an academic setting or amongst friends over coffee. But like, no one's going to find those words on a ballot in most places in America. So we got to stick to, like you said, the team branding and the team Democrat wants to, by and large, things that are really extreme to the average voter, frankly, even the average left of center voter. Right, even the average left of center voter doesn't think that boys and girls are the same and should be staring at each other's locker rooms or that you could change, your gender, that somehow your sex is assigned to you in the hospital as opposed to being
Paul Teller: something natural assigned you by God. I mean. Oh, it's just, it's a truly amazing thing. That's why we gotta stick to that team branding. Love your point. Great point.
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Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And you know, and what a great point as well to say, you know, this, this is about the words and then and the names, but you know, it's really about the teams that do appear on the ballot. And if you don't make that connection between the ideas then how those shape policy and how policy then is advanced by either one, a team or another, you know, the two parties could not be more diametrically opposed on, on the issues for November, then you may miss that translation into votes or how people, actually perceive the issues. And you know, so much of, what pastors and even, you know, nonprofits and, and, and others, often say is like, well, you know, I don't want to say vote specifically for, against this candidate or this particular party. It's about the issues. But the parties and the candidates are the ones that are driving the issues. And so if you really are an issues or a values based voter, then you need to recognize what the two teams stand for and what their policy positions stand for. Because if you look at, again, just using the Paxton and Talarico example, and I think that's a good example for literally every, general election, ballot, or you look at the difference between Byron Donalds and David Jolly, you know, the two who are up for, for my home state of Florida for the gubernatorial race, I mean, they just could not be more diametrically opposed. And that's what we saw in 2024 with Trump and Kamala. I mean, as soon as it reached the general, even before that, but especially as soon as it reached the general, I stopped talking about, you know, Trump the person, Kamala the word salad, you know, whatever. It didn't matter. Because what ultimately matters is do you want this view and this version of America? Do you want to live in an America that actually provides common sense, liberty, freedom, secures the border, provides, you know, the most economic freedom? Do you want to live in this version of America or do you want a bigger government? Do you want to be, you know, at times oppressed by the government? Do you want to have, you know, more of your hard earned tax dollars taken away? Do you want men and women's sports and do you want, the abortion until literally the moment of birth or after? I mean, all of these things, those are the issues. And so, you know, from your position, you know, especially as, as a strategist, and you've done this so well, over, you know, the course of your career, which is much, much longer than mine. How do you see the,
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Yeah, well, that's meant to be a compliment, but, but how do you, how do you.
Paul Teller: I appreciate it.
Jenna Ellis: How do you see, the, the conservatives needing to do that maybe the same or differently today in 2026 than even, you know, 20 years ago in 2008 where we had. I don't think anybody really recognized what Obama's version of America would usher in.
Paul Teller: Yeah, no question. Well, and that's the thing, I think the, what we have on our side on the right. Basic truth, basic, just what we were saying before, right. It's just truth that there are two, a male and a female you can't change it through just fixed, you know, by God, by nature, however you want to. and there's so many issues like that, right. Immigrant
Jenna Ellis: and, and Paul, we're, we're, we're losing you a little bit. I'm going to ask Adam to try to reconnect and see if we can get a better connection. Really. And Adam, just let me know as soon as we have, Paul back because this is really important and I want people to hear, what you're discussing. And you know, when I talk about how I don't really think that America understood how bad and how completely false of a worldview and the policies that Obama would usher in, I'm worried as a Christian and a conservative, that even now living through all of that, we don't quite understand how bad it will be if we allow the ushering in of the people who stand for socialism, who stand, for, allowing Muslims to usher in Sharia law, for all of these things that are diametrically opposed to American society that is grounded in a biblical worldview. And I'm told we have Paul back. So go ahead, Paul, with what you were saying.
Paul Teller: Oh, so sorry about that. And I'm not sure what happened.
Jenna Ellis: Oh, this is better move, you know,
Winning Elections: Communicating Common Sense Values And Addressing Voter Concerns
Paul Teller: wasn't even moving and somehow we lost the connection. But anyway, my apologies. oh, anyway, so I think we were starting to talk about the border and how it's, you know, we have to focus in on common sense policies to speak to voters when we're, you know, for us on the right, we don't have to, you know, twist our perspectives, we don't have to make things up, we don't have to hide things. We just have to continue our common sense policies. And the border is one of those. Right. Does the average person really think it's okay for people to illegally cut the line, come across our border, cutting the people who are properly standing in line and waiting to do it legally and properly, the average person just doesn't believe that. I don't even think the average left of center person believes that. Right. And so, I think if we just, on the right, keep our common sense values and speak in normal language. Right. Not with acronyms, not with weird bill numbers, just speak to people's fears, people's concerns in normal English, I really think we can win.
Jenna Ellis: Mm, yeah, absolutely. And that's the key too, is, you know, speaking about these things in normal, plain terms. And that's what President Trump did so well in 2015 and 2016. It was about a team. It wasn't, you know, now this whole kind of, you know, loyalty test to Trump, he hadn't, he hadn't built that sort of base yet. And so it was much more about, you know, we and a team and a different vision for America. And I think if he can do that, and he's starting to do that again, I think if he can do that and make it more about how this genuinely affects the individual and your day to day life, instead of just about the brand or the coalition, that will resonate even more. And, you know, and even to people who maybe their candidate didn't win in the primary. Well, you know, hey, welcome to primaries. That happens to all of us. And that's okay. for the people who are considering sitting out, you know, out of just a huff, it's like, well, do you really want to have your lack of vote, help the, the other side? And when we talk about the other side, it's not about party, it's not about rrd.
The Urgency Of Voting: Connecting Ideology To Policy And Addressing Voter Fears
I mean, it is ultimately, but it really, it's about what viewpoints they're ushering in. And we all have to participate in our civil society in this type of system if we want to ensure that the policies actually reflect morality, truth, a biblical worldview, and ultimately freedom and liberty. And so, you know, moving forward. And we only have, you know, a couple of months until actually less than that, until the midterms, where do you see we can do that best? I mean, maybe in some specific races.
Paul Teller: Well, by the way, we should also point out that in some states, early voting starts like in the next, what, week, two weeks, you know, you know, something like that. So, I mean, yes, obviously focus on election day, but man, in some states, already right upon us. So, yeah, this is, this is an urgent, you know, urgent need. But yeah, for example, one race, you know, might be, might be South Carolina. Right. And there were a lot of conservatives that wanted Ralph Norman, right, for Senate. I personally did. I think a lot of conservatives did. Right. But okay, he didn't win. let's, let's focus on the Republican candidate that we do have, try to make her as best as possible and, and beat the Democrats there. Now you say, well, that's a deep red state, no problem. Well, know what? Like, weird things happen. Perfect example, let's pivot to Texas. Now I get Texas, much bigger, more diverse state than South Carolina, but still everyone thinks of that as deep red. But man, all the polls I've seen right now have the Republican losing for Senate. Paxton seems to be down two, three, four or more points. I mean, that's very scary. Now, there is time, right? Like you pointed out, there is time to get things back. But it just shows you we just can't take it for granted to say, well, it's a red state, everyone's going to come home. we got to convince them that what the, Republicans are offering at any level as a team is going to make their lives better. Right. The average person is going to have his or her fears addressed in a meaningful, future, focused way.
The Stakes Of The Senate Race: Vision, Issues, And The Consequences Of Policy
and people are going to have more control over more of their own resources. There will be cultural sanity and common sense truth. And that's who we want in there, even if it wasn't our preferred candidate. So, for example, I know there are a lot of maybe angry Jon Cornyn voters from the primary in the Dallas area and elsewhere. Man, I hope they come out for Paxton because, gosh, if we have the other guy, you know, Talarico, it's just. That's just terrible thing for the United States Senate, and it could tip the balance of the Senate, which would be just absolutely devastating going forward, especially under a Trump presidency.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, I mean, do you want a guy like that who, with his views, I mean, do you want that type of policy actually with a position in the Senate? I mean, this is what it boils down to. It's not Paxton versus Talarico. It's ultimately about the vision and the issues and what you'll have to deal with and what America will deal with in, the Senate. But, but Paul Teller, last question for you. I mean, there are multiple pollsters, and I actually did a podcast with, with, Honest Polls Mark Mitchell, just this past Friday. Listeners can find [email protected] on demand that he said, that he, Rich Barris and a few others are currently nationally showing the Democrats about a plus 10 or 11. Do you see that? And do you.
Correcting The Ship: Addressing Voter Apathy And The Republican Cash Advantage
Do you think that that's. Yeah. I mean, big. Oof.
Paul Teller: Do you.
Jenna Ellis: Do you see that there's still, if true, you know, some. Some time to correct that ship?
Paul Teller: Yeah. I mean, if true, that is devastating. Obviously. The good news is I haven't really seen that. To me, sounds like an outlier. The other polls and other research I've seen has shown it that much of a, you know, a deficit, whatever. But let's just say that it is, yeah. A. We've got to get. There's not a lot of time, especially when you're looking at early voting. But the flip side, the good news on that is a lot of voters still haven't quite paid attention, right? They've just come off their summer vacations, they're getting their kids off to the school, to college, you know, etcetera, etcetera. So there hasn't been a tremendous focus on it yet, like some of us in the political world. So that helps, number one. And number two, from what I do, keep seeing Republicans nationwide up and down the ballot have a tremendous cash on hand advantage. So they have the ability to really spend more to target voters, to really get the vote out, to run ads, to, you know, knock on doors, you name it. So hopefully that that combination could help help, things turn around in time.
Jenna Ellis: All right, well, Paul Teller, we've got to end it here, but I so appreciate your comments and your insights. We always love having you on the program. So, hopefully, yeah, absolutely. Hopefully we will get to, talk to you soon. You can, follow Paul Teller at Pteller on X. I'd encourage you to do that. Get, his insights as well.
Clash Of Worldviews: Voting Ideologies Over Party Names For A Better America
And you know, again, this just comes down to a clash of worldviews and and like Paul wisely said, you know, even in South Carolina, where, you know, a lot of people not super happy about, Darlene Graham Nordone, but hey, you know, the, the worldview of someone who at least says that she's a conservative and would have a much better policy view than the Democrat. I mean, obviously if you are voting your values and you're voting the issues, don't look so much at the, you know, the names, don't look so much at, you know, even just the Republican versus Democrat. You have to look overall at the ideology of the clashes of the two sides. And that is what is most important. We'll be right back.
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The Clash Of Worldviews: Lindsey Clancy Trial Reveals Deeper Cultural Divides
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. Well, as you've noticed, the, whole theme of this broadcast has been the clash of worldviews. And we'll continue to have that theme because I think that's the theme in the country, if not the world right now, is the clash of worldviews between the truth and, a counterfeit. And we're seeing that as well in the larger cultural conversation around the Lindsey Clancy trial. And we're still talking about this because the ripple effects of this particular case have continued to reach out and expand into new areas of conversations. And especially with, some of the juror interviews. it was really fascinating to see how, even Gayle King on CBS Mornings was visibly shocked to find out that the lone holdout juror and the Lindsay Clancy trial was a black man. And she said, she goes, well, wait a minute. She's like, well, hold on, I'm paraphrasing. But she's like, I got to sit with that for a moment. As if it was so shocking to her that someone who just shares the same melanin content of her skin doesn't think like her. Which, of course begs the question that when you're talking about equality, this is the thing that the equality scammers never understand. It is not about your race or about your sex or about any of your, demographics or even your intrinsic characteristics. It's always about your worldview. And that's what these, these equality scammers never understand. And so, Oprah's discussion also, she brought in, you know, a bunch of women. There were a few men in the audience that looked visibly uncomfortable. but she brought in, you know, this, this kind of roundtable discussion and, about how our culture should process this whole case.
Racial Equality For Murderers? The Disturbing Implications Of The Clancy Case Discussion
And this is, this was an actual, allegedly a doctor who stood up and suggested now, racial equality for baby murderers. I mean, that, that's literally where we are. for child murderers. That's where we are as a country. Listen to this. Cut one. And the other thing that I would just Be remiss to not say is, I hope this never happens again. We know statistically, it really. It will.
Jenna Ellis: I want us to have the same passion for people who don't look like Lindsey, who don't have her same access. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jenna Ellis: Who don't have her same access and education, her melanin, her privilege. There are women of color sitting around this country in prisons for this same thing that we've never heard of. And I just want to remind us to have the pink shirts and the energy for them as well. Wow. I had to listen to that several times just to actually wrap my head around the fact that this is. I mean, this is on Oprah and this is now being publicly applauded throughout the country that now they're calling Lindsey Clancy privileged. she had access. She had all of these resources. Well, wait a minute. I thought five minutes ago we were suggesting that, Lindsay Clancy didn't get the help she needed. She was this, you know, poor, tragic figure that just had to murder her children because she didn't get hurt and she didn't have the resources that she needed. Well, what? So. So now just because she's white and she, you know, was in upper middle class or, you know, that demographic, and she had a husband who provided for. She was able to, you know, stay home with her children, now suddenly she's privileged? Okay? And so now just based on, literally this doctor said, based, on her melanin, we need to have more equality for, you know, the. The women of color who are sitting around in prisons because they did the same thing.
Worldview vs. Circumstance: Examining The Inherent Evil Of Actions In The Clancy Case
Well, how about the equality, that we provide is convictions based on the actions of murderers. Maybe we don't care about the rest of the. The individual characteristics or whether they were privileged or not, or black or white or, you know, whatever the shade, color of their skin. Maybe we actually care about the inherent evil and the wrongdoing of their actions. That's ultimately what matters. And, yes, we can have the conversations about how do we prevent this kind of thing from happening, but it's not primarily about health care, about access to prescription drugs. It's not even about, you know, whether hospitals follow up. I mean, all of that is good conversation, but this ultimately comes down to worldview. Because if Lindsay Clancy had the worldview that children are human beings made in the image of God and have inherent dignity and worth and value because they are human, and she recognized that, then this would have never happened. And, yeah, you know, people are going to say, well, Jenna, she went through this psychosis and whatever. That doesn't matter to me because I don't buy that. I don't believe it. I think that there is more than enough reason to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that this is just a fabrication to try to get her off the hook. And did she have postpartum depression? Perhaps? I mean, that's. And that's a legitimate, thing. But there are many women who go through, you know, some sort of. Whether it's medical complication or emotional, distraught and, you know, all of these things without committing evil acts. And if they do, those circumstances do not justify or even, in my opinion, mitigate the inherent, absolute horror and evil of their acts.
Competing Views Of Human Nature: From Justice System To Political Ideologies
And so what this boils down to is two competing views of human nature. And we see this not just in policy and politics, but we're seeing this in culture. We're seeing this now in our justice system. We are seeing people who are literally suggesting, as this jury did and as these women now on Oprah and as so many of the Lindsey Clancy fans are doing. We are suggesting that if you are of a certain social demographic, a certain sex, I mean, imagine if this were a man. They wouldn't have the same compassion as they do for Lindsay Clancy. if there. If there's a different race. I mean, whatever the intrinsic characteristic, they're suggesting that we should look more at the perpetrator and the backstory and the justifications for all of this than the inherent evil. What they're doing. It's the same thing that people are suggesting in the political frame. We'll look at, you know, all these great ideas of socialism. Look at what, what Mamdani wanted to do for NewSong York. I mean, wasn't that the premise of his whole campaign? Look at all the free stuff. Look at what he wants to. What to build. And look at, you know, he wants to make, you know, the bus services free for these poor, you know, indigent NewSong Yorkers who can't afford public transportation. Isn't that so wonderful and generous of him? Well, now he's hit with an actual budget. Reality steps in, and you see how even the grandiose ideas don't actually mesh with reality. Because your policy and your politics have to be built up from a reality view, a true view of the world around us to the world that God has confined us to. And so while conservatives are often condemned because, well, you know, you're just so harsh, and you want people to go out and get jobs, and you don't want, people to, you know, who really need it to get entitlements and welfare from the government. Well, you know, and that's, that's so harsh and unloving of you. And how dare you, you know, advocate for closed borders? Because look at what the Statue of Liberty says. With all of the humanity you give us, your poor and, you know, you're destitute. Let them come. The American dream and all this warm fuzzy goo and blah, right? That is just a completely utopian view that ultimately will clash with reality because you will, in your worldview, eventually run up against the wall that is reality.
Christian Reality: Building Worldviews On Truth, Justice, Liberty, And Limited Government
And so Christianity refuses the extreme and refuses the, utopia. It says, what reality has God confined us to? We have to build up our worldview from there. And we have to acknowledge that reality requires justice. It requires liberty and freedom and limited government so that we can have a well ordered society. So we have to remember all of these things, the clash of the two worldviews in every aspect of government, including our voting in the midterms. So, so much more I could say, but we're already out of time. As always, you can reach me and my team. Jenna fr.
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Understanding The Clash Of Worldviews: God's Truth vs. Secular Humanism's Deception
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Jenna Ellis: I love talking about the things of God. Because of truth and the biblical worldview, the U.S. constitution obligates our government to preserve and protect the rights that our founders recognize come from God our creator, not our government. I believe that scripture in the Bible is very clear that God is the one that raised up each of you and God has allowed us to be brought here to this specific moment in time. This is Jenna Ellis in the morgue. Morning.
Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Monday, September 14, and we find ourselves in, if we can step, you know, the 30,000 foot perspective. We find ourselves at a crossroads in Western civilization. Not even here domestically in America, but I think across, Christendom as as my guest this morning has rightly, called it, instead of just a, Western civilization or Western culture, because we're facing two completely diametrically opposed views of reality. one that is premised on truth and that moral, truth is discoverable. That we understand who we are as human beings made in God's image in our relationship with him. And that the, the universe around us is created by him, dictated by him in terms of the laws, and the moral laws that he has confined us to. And how we choose then to form a government and to enact policy must be legitimate and must follow the authority that he delegates, to our government and then to us and how we interact as citizens.
Secular Humanism's Rise: God Is Dead, Man Is The End Of All Things
And all of that is to put forward a more moral and upright society. then on the other hand, you have a completely different view of reality. One that is basically rooted in secular humanism. This idea that God is dead or never was or is totally irrelevant, must be excised from society. That man is the end of all things and that we can create the world in our own image. And whatever we determine is good or evil, evil permissible versus punishable. That's what we ought to do, with our civil society. And so if we believe that socialism is the best way to go about things in 2026, well then we'll have a DSA candidates and anything that sounds good. There's no greater principle, no greater moral force in society, than simply what we decide. And arbitrarily what sounds good feeds our emotion, feeds our our particular needs. And so, there was an article this past week in the Telegraph that was talking about. And the headline is how the far right has seized on Christianity for moral cover. And the headline continues from Tommy Robinson to Dover. Protesters, hardliners are invoking religion to justify their beliefs, spurring a new Christian nationalism. Now they use that term, Christian nationalism, I think a little differently in the context of this article than we have on this program and that some people do.
Christian Nationalism: Justifying Political Stances With Morals And Symbolism
And that's the, the problem inherently with that term is it's a little bit vague depending on what you're talking about. But the main point really is that we are using Christian morals and Christian symbolism and ultimately Christian beliefs in the Christian worldview to justify more and more political positions. And the UK is doing this in some ways I think that are, that are good, some ways that maybe aren't so good. Just like here in America. I mean there are some people that, that are justifying being more patriarchal and saying that you know, women have absolutely no place in society whatsoever. and they're trying to use a version of Scripture that is undermining obviously the inherent dignity of women. But they're trying to then combat feminism, which is a good thing, but ultimately going too far and in a bad way. Right. So we have to make sure that what we're advocating for as Christians is truthful, it's bad biblical. but ultimately the, the greater response here is that I think, and the discussion that I want to have is that that people are starting to recognize, I think these two polar opposite views of reality and that one is coherent, actually leads to freedom and liberty, and the other one is totally inconsistent, has never worked and leads to ultimate bondage and, and the government, forcing individuals and subjecting them to whatever the whim of government is. And these two different views of reality are up for election in November and are here in America and have been in various ways in a clash, over the last human history. views of reality that are different, either God or not God, but especially with this kind of post liberal, this post reality, post truth kind of a worldview especially and increasingly over the last about 20 years. And so I want to welcome in Calvin Robinson, who hosts his own show, who's a podcaster and a, a commentator, ah and also a priest. And, and is prolific on a lot of these topics. And Calvin, this article struck me as making some good points and then also, I think, missing it a little bit when it's focused so much on the symbolism rather than, I think, the fundamental clash between these two completely diametrically opposed views.
The Telegraph's Article: Misinterpreting Christian Nationalism Through A Class Lens
That, yes, Christians can't just say, well, we're doing anything in the name of God, therefore it's right. But rather when we are saying that a legitimate government must be premised in truth, it must be premised in biblical reality, ah, limited government must be confined to legitimacy, then we are the only ones that actually have an argument outside ourselves that's actually objective, that's transcendent, and that's not just completely arbitrary. And so how do you view these two opposing realities clashing across Christendom today?
Calvin Robinson: Thank you, Jenna. Yeah, I think you hit some good points in there. But, if I may, I think the point you're missing from this article, which I found astonishing, was the class, dynamic in Britain. So people in America often forget this because America is so open that anyone can do anything, anyone could become anything, and it's the land of dreams. Whereas in Britain, we still do live in a class society. It's not as bad as India's caste system, but there is still an expectation that people in society stay within their social bubble. And so when I'm reading this article in the, in the Telegraph, I'm reading it in that context because there's a very snobby author here, a chap called Kelly, who's projecting ideas, onto people that may not be there because of their class. So from the, from the very sub headline where he says Tommy Robinson, and protesters invoking religion to justify their beliefs, spurring a new Christian nationalism, like he's saying that they are using their religion to justify something rather than using their religion to form their beliefs. He thinks he's using it, they're using it to justify their beliefs. And I'll tell you why I think he thinks that is because Tommy Robinson is a working class, British man, white British man, from Luton, from a very working class area with lots of diversity that has experienced lots of issues because of that diversity. He's fought against it. Now, I've interviewed Tommy before he had his faith, and I've spoken to him after he had his faith. Ah, so he went to prison. and before he went to prison, I gave him a rosary. And, he came out of prison identifying as a Christian. He said he found his faith in Prison. And I think it helped him get through prison. And he came out and he started to organize these events. I helped him organize. In fact, I came up with the name Uniting the Kingdomnomics. the idea of getting people together, getting patriots together who are sick and tired of the established not really caring or not improving their lives and just getting people together to recognize that we can help each other. We don't necessarily need to rely on the government because the government isn't necessarily on our side.
Genuine Faith vs. Perceived Justification: Examining Christian Nationalism Critiques
Now, I think that's patriotic, I think that's a good thing. But he wants to do it because he's a Christian, whereas the person writing the article assumes that it's a justification. And as you go through the article, you know, you can read the subtext. They kind of out themselves. They say things like, yes, he, ah, was a Christian. What was this one? it felt like an old fashioned 195010 revival meeting with gospel calls, preaching to conversion and lots of singing. Anyone who turned up for a good thump was disappointed. So they initially say in their own words, it wasn't a violent mob, it wasn't people looking for a fight. It was genuine.
Calvin Robinson: It felt like a revival. But then they say things like, Thomas's perform the faith, or Thomas's performed version of the faith is now at the forefront of all he does. Like, yes, your faith should be at the forefront of all you do. But the way they put his performed faith in there, they assume the faith is somehow performative because there's two elements to it. One is that there's the class divided. So they cannot stand this idea that the working class, is using, taking their faith. The faith, the Christian faith is for the people of the other classes. Right? It's a tea club, it's a social club. At this point. It's not actually about faith, virtues and values. It's about who you are and who you get to network with. So there's that element of it. But the other part of it is that they feel judged by these people who are trying to be Christian, who are trying to put it at the forefront of everything they do, because they don't. And that's why many people feel judged by Christians, isn't it?
Christian Witness: Being Different In The World To Lead Others To Christ
Because we, we try to live a life in Christ and of course we always fail and we have to get ourselves back up and pick our crosses up again. But by trying to become holy, we set ourselves apart from the world and the world feels judged by that. And that's what this comes down to, in my humble opinion.
Jenna Ellis: M and you Know, what an interesting commentary. And, and yes, I mean, that's so different than what, what it is here in America. But the key point I think that I, I found really fascinating from what you're describing is that, and this author, I think, does miss the point overall. but that the outside views Christians as justifying our actions because of our faith, rather than having our faith form our beliefs. And so therefore, that's why we're advocating for the policy that we do. And I think that's a critical decision distinction. And how should Christians understand that distinction?
Calvin Robinson: Yeah, it is indeed. And Christians are always going to be judged on this. And so we have to almost wear it as a badge of honor. If people are telling us that what we're doing is performative or we're larping, or we are just, you know, wearing a, skin suit of Christianity or we're doing it to justify ourselves, we have to sh. There's nothing we can do but shrug that off and continue anyway, because it's working. It means that people see us as different to them M. The world sees us as different, and the world should see us as different because we are supposed to be a light to the nations. We're supposed to lead people to Christ. We can't do it if we're like everyone else around us. We can't do it if we are recognizably part of the world. To be in the world, but not of the world means we have to be amongst, the people so that we are neighbors, so that we can love our neighbors. And to love our neighbors is to lead them to Christ so that they can be saved. Conversion, of the heart by Christ and the grace of God through Christ. And so we have to be hated. We have to expect to be hated. We have to be misjudged, and people will misinterpret our views constantly. And we have to find a way to rise above that and not get defensive and say, yes, I am different, but it's not for the reasons you expect. Let me explain why. We've got to use an opportunity to introduce people to Christ, even people that think they already know him.
Jenna Ellis: Absolutely. And you know, and a major criticism in the article is that many of these participants appear in the writer's shallow view, to have a shallow theological knowledge. And that's going to always be part of the criticism. Right. And so he argues that some of these, marchers in the UK are highly committed to the particular, quote, unquote, Christian ideals they identify with, but they have Relatively little knowledge of Christianity compared with a regular churchgoers in his opinion. Right. And enemy.
Shallow Theology Or Deeper Truth? The Nuances Of Christian Political Engagement
He appears to have shallow theological knowledge, but he's talking about, you know, this kind of imagery as almost put on, and that justification. Right. Instead of forming that belief. And I think there's while that's a major over generalization and would be a false generalization of someone like you and me, obviously who our theology forms our beliefs first and is the whole reason that we do everything that we do. I think there is a nugget of truth there to say that there are some in at least the American political movement that now have some of this imagery. whether it's just overtly maga or patriotic or even Christian, or a blend of both. because I think the American experiment is distinctly Christian. So the American flag carries that sort of religiosity in it anyway. And that's what the left finds so offensive. But ultimately, how can Christians actually make sure or advocate for the adherence to this big fight right now between these opposing worldviews and then each of these issues? I mean, when you get down to, you know, this isn't just a clash between Christians and Muslims and who controls the country. This is ultimately a clash between truth and falsity. And people like the writer of this article are going to say, well, you don't have any, a lot of these people don't have any greater theology. They just hate Muslims. How do we actually educate those among our movement to have that deeper theological knowledge?
Calvin Robinson: Yeah, that's an interesting point. I think there are two sides to that as well. I think that the writer of this article wouldn't have a problem with a foreigner in Britain having a faith, a different faith, such as a Muslim. In fact, they'd almost look down on them in a patronizing way. Oh, isn't it nice you've got a faith? As in like. Because the metropolitan liberal elite in our country are. They're almost. They feel like they're beyond faith, like we don't need Christianity anymore. We have the morals, we have the value, we've done all that. You know, it's kind of the abstract what you were talking about at the beginning, that secular idea that we can be good without God not recognizing that God is good and without him there is no good or definition of good or evil. It's just we're making up as we go along. They've made gods of themselves. So they're okay with people like Muslims having a faith. It's the working class Christians that Don't like having a faith because again, they feel judged because they no longer have theirs.
Reclaiming Christian Imagery: From National Flags To Personal Discipleship
But to the point you are making, you know, they'll say, oh, you're co opting the imagery. You're wearing crosses around your neck. Good, I want to see more public witnesses of Christ. And you know, you mentioned the flags. The English flag is quite literally a Christian flag, is the Cross of St George, which is often painted in imagery of Christ holding it himself, you know, the white background and a red cross. And so that's in all of the flags of Great Britain. All of our flags are Christian flags quite explicitly. And so we should be co opting those images. We should be taking that imagery with us. However, that's just an on ramp. That's just the starting point. And so what I would say to people like the author of his article is let's not judge the people who are just coming to the faith. You know, when they say things like, they've just found the faith, but what are they going to do with it? Here the quote was, it seems that more than just a handful of activists had also found God, but what did they want to do with their newfound faith? So that shouldn't be the question. This question should be, okay, so more than a handful of activists have also found God. Fantastic. Congratulations. Here is what we can do to help you grow in your faith. That's what we should be saying. And of course that means going to church regularly, at least every Sunday. That means going to Bible study. It means forming groups with other, with other men or women and just learning and reading through the Bible and, and taking in the faith and growing the faith. It's this assumption that people are using it just for the imagery that's just really bad, a bad faith assumption. If people are starting to recognize that they need God and they're finding him and they're starting to take on board Christian imagery, that's amazing for everyone concerned because we need more Christians. And so these people need discipling. That's what they need. And that's our job, I suppose.
Jenna Ellis: Yes, so said. And it's so true that that the new Christians need discipleship.
The Foundation Of Western Civilization: Building On Christian Worldview And Truth
And even those who are new in the political movement, if they are rejecting socialism, they're rejecting Sharia, law, they're rejecting all of these things as, you know, as anti American, which they are, then it's our obligation as Christians to tell them why and to say, you know, here's the foundation and why this isn't just about an economic view or a constitutional or civil law system. This is so much more than that. And show them the foundation of why you can build up from your faith. And that the Christian worldview has to be at the heart and the core, and that it is for a Western civilization. I mean, for all of these countries that we're talking about. I mean, that's why the imagery is so embedded in history, in our flags, in our culture. And it used to be so much more pronounced. I mean, I was even watching, a video of the provinces of Canada with a friend the other day. totally different context, but there was a beautiful panorama of, you know, this small, ah, town in Canada. And, in the epicenter of this tiny village is this beautiful church. And you can tell that it's a church because the buildings used to look like churches. You had the crosses, the steeples. I mean, that used to be the center of the city. And I mentioned her, I said, you know, this, I wish that we had that again in this country. We are completely, just, just obliterating that imagery. Even when the churches exist, they don't look like churches anymore. And so we do need to bring that back because that starts to provoke those questions. And then we can take advantage of every opportunity to make those disciples and to share the truth of why this isn't just one political philosophy that is clashing with another. This ultimately boils down to truth. And so I agree with you.
Restoring Sacred Spaces: Integrating Christianity Into Culture And Everyday Life
We need to bring back the symbolism and make Christianity part of our culture and our everyday heritage like it used to be. I mean, all of the paintings of you, even in the 1950s and before of, you know, the family sitting at the dinner table, praying, and all of those things that we have now completely just outcast from our society. And it's like Christians and Christianity. I, can't be part of our regular space because that's confined just to your churches. And it has to be all secular instead of the sacred being part of everyday society. So we're already out of time. I don't even have time to ask you for closing thoughts, Calvin Robinson. But, this is why I so appreciate, though, you coming on, sometimes on the podcast side where we have a deeper dive, but we need to be talking more about this and about the culture, Christianity and getting our culture back to the things of truth so that we can prompt all of these questions. Ephesians 5 says, Take advantage of every opportunity for the days or evil. We need to take that into 20, 26 and beyond. We'll be Right back. M Hi, I'm Jenna Ellis. Did you know that this content is listener supported? Without people like you, this podcast would not exist. And that's why we need you.
The Republican Plea: Vote For Us Anyway, It's About Worldviews, Not Just Policies
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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. Well, we're talking about these two, fundamental opposing views of reality. And that's essentially what Vice President Vance and President Trump, issued in terms of a plea for Americans to vote Republican on the last night of the convention. In the midterms last week, Vice President Vance had a request for people who might disagree with the Republican Party on an issue or a policy vote for us anyway. And this is coming from npr.org they didn't frame it exactly in the way that I am, but I think that they kind of got the message. And so they quote Vance in his remarks where he said, don't give the country over to a bunch of crazy people because you happen to disagree with us on, on a policy issue here or there. Recognize the achievements of the last 18 months. We have done a lot, my friends, and we can do more if we fight together. His plea echoes President Trump's requests for Republicans to vote in November as if he were on the ballot. Trump said, and I think he recognizes that there might be lower turnout because the name Trump isn't on the ballot. And he said, please pretend that I'm running, which is ah, which is very Trump. And he said if we don't have majorities, so much can be lost. So let's welcome in ah, Paul Teller, who's the president of Teller Strategies and was with President Trump in the first administration. And and Paul, I was listening to actually a great podcast from Newt Gingrich who was talking about. And it's, it's actually a five part series that was recommended to me by Frank Pavone, a dear friend of both of ours. And and it's really fantastic. but I was listening to the first part last night and, and and Newt actually compared the midterms with the 2016 initial presidential, election for Trump where everybody was saying, you know, all is lost and Hillary's definitely going to win. And he brought it back to kind of these two entirely different versions of reality were really what is on the ballot. And that mattered even more than the name Trump. And so his advice was don't run a referendum, you know, against socialism.
Campaign Strategies: Focusing On Issues And Team Identity Over Personalities
Make it about the issues, and don't run a personal campaign, have a team campaign, and make this about two entirely different versions of reality, because that's ultimately what won in 2016. And I think he's right.
Paul Teller: I think it's a great point. I mean, first of all, always great to be with you.
Paul Teller: Thank you for having me back. A great honor. And, yeah, I think Newt's exactly right. Let's face it, if anyone knows how to win when, you know all the wind, it's new King. So, like, we should be absolutely listening, you know, to his advice, because that's. I think, what's. What a really important part of what he said there is that look. And too many conservatives are just going out there pointing a finger at the other side and saying, you know, he's a socialist, He's a socialist. The problem is, I hate to say it, person couldn't define socialism if forced to. Right. I mean, like, we know it's bad. People know it's bad. In terms of what it is. What exactly is bad? really? No. Right. And so, like, you're much better off, as he was saying, talk about the issues. Like, instead of saying, she's a socialist, you know, she believes the government needs to own more of your resources, or she believes that, you know, and girls are the exact same thing and should treat it the same things, like things that people could really understand. That's what the President. Vice President. Were getting at, last week.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And that is such an important distinction, because if we just make it about the personalities and say, you know, for example, in Texas, like, you know, Ken Paxton versus James Talarico and make it more about the two people running instead of the ideologies that they literally will carry with them, into office in the Senate. Well, then it becomes so much more clear when you actually look at what Ken Paxton, how he would vote in the Senate, what he would do, what his.
The Power Of Team Branding: Connecting Ideologies To Voter Perceptions And Policies
What his record has been as Attorney General in Texas and what he has stood for, what he has stood against. And the same thing, with Talarico. And if you make this more about a team and about the issues, then I think that is a much stronger campaign. And I think that we got that out of the convention. And I think that's also what I found personally so brilliant about what Governor DeSantis did in his leadership forum, a couple of weeks ago with the four, main, the statewide, office holders that are running for reelection, or election in Byron's case, but the four statewide offices and made it about, this is your leadership team. And it brought a whole different view because suddenly you're not critiquing whether you like or dislike one particular policy stance of one particular candidate. It was like, you know, here's your team and if you want the issues to continue and you want us to keep fighting for these principles, then you'll vote in our team. And that to me is a much stronger argument.
Paul Teller: That's a great point. I also, to echo our Richard Vigory, he's bringing the point that every time we use words or labels to describe people that are not on the balance, make it harder for people who they should, vote for. So in other words, you know, in most places anyway, but in most places in America, the word socialist is not on the ballot, but the word Democrat is. Right? So we should be out there kind of saying the Democrats, do X, Y and Z. They, they're fine with transit and they're fine with taking away parental rights, et cetera, et cetera. This every time we say socialists and other markets, you know, in an academic setting or amongst friends over coffee. But like, no one's going to find those words on a ballot in most places in America. So we got to stick to, like you said, the team branding and the team Democrat wants to, by and large, things that are really extreme to the average voter, frankly, even the average left of center voter. Right, even the average left of center voter doesn't think that boys and girls are the same and should be staring at each other's locker rooms or that you could change, your gender, that somehow your sex is assigned to you in the hospital as opposed to being
Paul Teller: something natural assigned you by God. I mean. Oh, it's just, it's a truly amazing thing. That's why we gotta stick to that team branding. Love your point. Great point.
Shaping America: The Diametrically Opposed Visions For The Nation's Future
Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And you know, and what a great point as well to say, you know, this, this is about the words and then and the names, but you know, it's really about the teams that do appear on the ballot. And if you don't make that connection between the ideas then how those shape policy and how policy then is advanced by either one, a team or another, you know, the two parties could not be more diametrically opposed on, on the issues for November, then you may miss that translation into votes or how people, actually perceive the issues. And you know, so much of, what pastors and even, you know, nonprofits and, and, and others, often say is like, well, you know, I don't want to say vote specifically for, against this candidate or this particular party. It's about the issues. But the parties and the candidates are the ones that are driving the issues. And so if you really are an issues or a values based voter, then you need to recognize what the two teams stand for and what their policy positions stand for. Because if you look at, again, just using the Paxton and Talarico example, and I think that's a good example for literally every, general election, ballot, or you look at the difference between Byron Donalds and David Jolly, you know, the two who are up for, for my home state of Florida for the gubernatorial race, I mean, they just could not be more diametrically opposed. And that's what we saw in 2024 with Trump and Kamala. I mean, as soon as it reached the general, even before that, but especially as soon as it reached the general, I stopped talking about, you know, Trump the person, Kamala the word salad, you know, whatever. It didn't matter. Because what ultimately matters is do you want this view and this version of America? Do you want to live in an America that actually provides common sense, liberty, freedom, secures the border, provides, you know, the most economic freedom? Do you want to live in this version of America or do you want a bigger government? Do you want to be, you know, at times oppressed by the government? Do you want to have, you know, more of your hard earned tax dollars taken away? Do you want men and women's sports and do you want, the abortion until literally the moment of birth or after? I mean, all of these things, those are the issues. And so, you know, from your position, you know, especially as, as a strategist, and you've done this so well, over, you know, the course of your career, which is much, much longer than mine. How do you see the,
Conservative Truth: Addressing The Border And Common Sense Policies For Voters
Yeah, well, that's meant to be a compliment, but, but how do you, how do you.
Paul Teller: I appreciate it.
Jenna Ellis: How do you see, the, the conservatives needing to do that maybe the same or differently today in 2026 than even, you know, 20 years ago in 2008 where we had. I don't think anybody really recognized what Obama's version of America would usher in.
Paul Teller: Yeah, no question. Well, and that's the thing, I think the, what we have on our side on the right. Basic truth, basic, just what we were saying before, right. It's just truth that there are two, a male and a female you can't change it through just fixed, you know, by God, by nature, however you want to. and there's so many issues like that, right. Immigrant
Jenna Ellis: and, and Paul, we're, we're, we're losing you a little bit. I'm going to ask Adam to try to reconnect and see if we can get a better connection. Really. And Adam, just let me know as soon as we have, Paul back because this is really important and I want people to hear, what you're discussing. And you know, when I talk about how I don't really think that America understood how bad and how completely false of a worldview and the policies that Obama would usher in, I'm worried as a Christian and a conservative, that even now living through all of that, we don't quite understand how bad it will be if we allow the ushering in of the people who stand for socialism, who stand, for, allowing Muslims to usher in Sharia law, for all of these things that are diametrically opposed to American society that is grounded in a biblical worldview. And I'm told we have Paul back. So go ahead, Paul, with what you were saying.
Paul Teller: Oh, so sorry about that. And I'm not sure what happened.
Jenna Ellis: Oh, this is better move, you know,
Winning Elections: Communicating Common Sense Values And Addressing Voter Concerns
Paul Teller: wasn't even moving and somehow we lost the connection. But anyway, my apologies. oh, anyway, so I think we were starting to talk about the border and how it's, you know, we have to focus in on common sense policies to speak to voters when we're, you know, for us on the right, we don't have to, you know, twist our perspectives, we don't have to make things up, we don't have to hide things. We just have to continue our common sense policies. And the border is one of those. Right. Does the average person really think it's okay for people to illegally cut the line, come across our border, cutting the people who are properly standing in line and waiting to do it legally and properly, the average person just doesn't believe that. I don't even think the average left of center person believes that. Right. And so, I think if we just, on the right, keep our common sense values and speak in normal language. Right. Not with acronyms, not with weird bill numbers, just speak to people's fears, people's concerns in normal English, I really think we can win.
Jenna Ellis: Mm, yeah, absolutely. And that's the key too, is, you know, speaking about these things in normal, plain terms. And that's what President Trump did so well in 2015 and 2016. It was about a team. It wasn't, you know, now this whole kind of, you know, loyalty test to Trump, he hadn't, he hadn't built that sort of base yet. And so it was much more about, you know, we and a team and a different vision for America. And I think if he can do that, and he's starting to do that again, I think if he can do that and make it more about how this genuinely affects the individual and your day to day life, instead of just about the brand or the coalition, that will resonate even more. And, you know, and even to people who maybe their candidate didn't win in the primary. Well, you know, hey, welcome to primaries. That happens to all of us. And that's okay. for the people who are considering sitting out, you know, out of just a huff, it's like, well, do you really want to have your lack of vote, help the, the other side? And when we talk about the other side, it's not about party, it's not about rrd.
The Urgency Of Voting: Connecting Ideology To Policy And Addressing Voter Fears
I mean, it is ultimately, but it really, it's about what viewpoints they're ushering in. And we all have to participate in our civil society in this type of system if we want to ensure that the policies actually reflect morality, truth, a biblical worldview, and ultimately freedom and liberty. And so, you know, moving forward. And we only have, you know, a couple of months until actually less than that, until the midterms, where do you see we can do that best? I mean, maybe in some specific races.
Paul Teller: Well, by the way, we should also point out that in some states, early voting starts like in the next, what, week, two weeks, you know, you know, something like that. So, I mean, yes, obviously focus on election day, but man, in some states, already right upon us. So, yeah, this is, this is an urgent, you know, urgent need. But yeah, for example, one race, you know, might be, might be South Carolina. Right. And there were a lot of conservatives that wanted Ralph Norman, right, for Senate. I personally did. I think a lot of conservatives did. Right. But okay, he didn't win. let's, let's focus on the Republican candidate that we do have, try to make her as best as possible and, and beat the Democrats there. Now you say, well, that's a deep red state, no problem. Well, know what? Like, weird things happen. Perfect example, let's pivot to Texas. Now I get Texas, much bigger, more diverse state than South Carolina, but still everyone thinks of that as deep red. But man, all the polls I've seen right now have the Republican losing for Senate. Paxton seems to be down two, three, four or more points. I mean, that's very scary. Now, there is time, right? Like you pointed out, there is time to get things back. But it just shows you we just can't take it for granted to say, well, it's a red state, everyone's going to come home. we got to convince them that what the, Republicans are offering at any level as a team is going to make their lives better. Right. The average person is going to have his or her fears addressed in a meaningful, future, focused way.
The Stakes Of The Senate Race: Vision, Issues, And The Consequences Of Policy
and people are going to have more control over more of their own resources. There will be cultural sanity and common sense truth. And that's who we want in there, even if it wasn't our preferred candidate. So, for example, I know there are a lot of maybe angry Jon Cornyn voters from the primary in the Dallas area and elsewhere. Man, I hope they come out for Paxton because, gosh, if we have the other guy, you know, Talarico, it's just. That's just terrible thing for the United States Senate, and it could tip the balance of the Senate, which would be just absolutely devastating going forward, especially under a Trump presidency.
Jenna Ellis: Yeah, I mean, do you want a guy like that who, with his views, I mean, do you want that type of policy actually with a position in the Senate? I mean, this is what it boils down to. It's not Paxton versus Talarico. It's ultimately about the vision and the issues and what you'll have to deal with and what America will deal with in, the Senate. But, but Paul Teller, last question for you. I mean, there are multiple pollsters, and I actually did a podcast with, with, Honest Polls Mark Mitchell, just this past Friday. Listeners can find [email protected] on demand that he said, that he, Rich Barris and a few others are currently nationally showing the Democrats about a plus 10 or 11. Do you see that? And do you.
Correcting The Ship: Addressing Voter Apathy And The Republican Cash Advantage
Do you think that that's. Yeah. I mean, big. Oof.
Paul Teller: Do you.
Jenna Ellis: Do you see that there's still, if true, you know, some. Some time to correct that ship?
Paul Teller: Yeah. I mean, if true, that is devastating. Obviously. The good news is I haven't really seen that. To me, sounds like an outlier. The other polls and other research I've seen has shown it that much of a, you know, a deficit, whatever. But let's just say that it is, yeah. A. We've got to get. There's not a lot of time, especially when you're looking at early voting. But the flip side, the good news on that is a lot of voters still haven't quite paid attention, right? They've just come off their summer vacations, they're getting their kids off to the school, to college, you know, etcetera, etcetera. So there hasn't been a tremendous focus on it yet, like some of us in the political world. So that helps, number one. And number two, from what I do, keep seeing Republicans nationwide up and down the ballot have a tremendous cash on hand advantage. So they have the ability to really spend more to target voters, to really get the vote out, to run ads, to, you know, knock on doors, you name it. So hopefully that that combination could help help, things turn around in time.
Jenna Ellis: All right, well, Paul Teller, we've got to end it here, but I so appreciate your comments and your insights. We always love having you on the program. So, hopefully, yeah, absolutely. Hopefully we will get to, talk to you soon. You can, follow Paul Teller at Pteller on X. I'd encourage you to do that. Get, his insights as well.
Clash Of Worldviews: Voting Ideologies Over Party Names For A Better America
And you know, again, this just comes down to a clash of worldviews and and like Paul wisely said, you know, even in South Carolina, where, you know, a lot of people not super happy about, Darlene Graham Nordone, but hey, you know, the, the worldview of someone who at least says that she's a conservative and would have a much better policy view than the Democrat. I mean, obviously if you are voting your values and you're voting the issues, don't look so much at the, you know, the names, don't look so much at, you know, even just the Republican versus Democrat. You have to look overall at the ideology of the clashes of the two sides. And that is what is most important. We'll be right back.
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The Clash Of Worldviews: Lindsey Clancy Trial Reveals Deeper Cultural Divides
welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.
Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. Well, as you've noticed, the, whole theme of this broadcast has been the clash of worldviews. And we'll continue to have that theme because I think that's the theme in the country, if not the world right now, is the clash of worldviews between the truth and, a counterfeit. And we're seeing that as well in the larger cultural conversation around the Lindsey Clancy trial. And we're still talking about this because the ripple effects of this particular case have continued to reach out and expand into new areas of conversations. And especially with, some of the juror interviews. it was really fascinating to see how, even Gayle King on CBS Mornings was visibly shocked to find out that the lone holdout juror and the Lindsay Clancy trial was a black man. And she said, she goes, well, wait a minute. She's like, well, hold on, I'm paraphrasing. But she's like, I got to sit with that for a moment. As if it was so shocking to her that someone who just shares the same melanin content of her skin doesn't think like her. Which, of course begs the question that when you're talking about equality, this is the thing that the equality scammers never understand. It is not about your race or about your sex or about any of your, demographics or even your intrinsic characteristics. It's always about your worldview. And that's what these, these equality scammers never understand. And so, Oprah's discussion also, she brought in, you know, a bunch of women. There were a few men in the audience that looked visibly uncomfortable. but she brought in, you know, this, this kind of roundtable discussion and, about how our culture should process this whole case.
Racial Equality For Murderers? The Disturbing Implications Of The Clancy Case Discussion
And this is, this was an actual, allegedly a doctor who stood up and suggested now, racial equality for baby murderers. I mean, that, that's literally where we are. for child murderers. That's where we are as a country. Listen to this. Cut one. And the other thing that I would just Be remiss to not say is, I hope this never happens again. We know statistically, it really. It will.
Jenna Ellis: I want us to have the same passion for people who don't look like Lindsey, who don't have her same access. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jenna Ellis: Who don't have her same access and education, her melanin, her privilege. There are women of color sitting around this country in prisons for this same thing that we've never heard of. And I just want to remind us to have the pink shirts and the energy for them as well. Wow. I had to listen to that several times just to actually wrap my head around the fact that this is. I mean, this is on Oprah and this is now being publicly applauded throughout the country that now they're calling Lindsey Clancy privileged. she had access. She had all of these resources. Well, wait a minute. I thought five minutes ago we were suggesting that, Lindsay Clancy didn't get the help she needed. She was this, you know, poor, tragic figure that just had to murder her children because she didn't get hurt and she didn't have the resources that she needed. Well, what? So. So now just because she's white and she, you know, was in upper middle class or, you know, that demographic, and she had a husband who provided for. She was able to, you know, stay home with her children, now suddenly she's privileged? Okay? And so now just based on, literally this doctor said, based, on her melanin, we need to have more equality for, you know, the. The women of color who are sitting around in prisons because they did the same thing.
Worldview vs. Circumstance: Examining The Inherent Evil Of Actions In The Clancy Case
Well, how about the equality, that we provide is convictions based on the actions of murderers. Maybe we don't care about the rest of the. The individual characteristics or whether they were privileged or not, or black or white or, you know, whatever the shade, color of their skin. Maybe we actually care about the inherent evil and the wrongdoing of their actions. That's ultimately what matters. And, yes, we can have the conversations about how do we prevent this kind of thing from happening, but it's not primarily about health care, about access to prescription drugs. It's not even about, you know, whether hospitals follow up. I mean, all of that is good conversation, but this ultimately comes down to worldview. Because if Lindsay Clancy had the worldview that children are human beings made in the image of God and have inherent dignity and worth and value because they are human, and she recognized that, then this would have never happened. And, yeah, you know, people are going to say, well, Jenna, she went through this psychosis and whatever. That doesn't matter to me because I don't buy that. I don't believe it. I think that there is more than enough reason to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that this is just a fabrication to try to get her off the hook. And did she have postpartum depression? Perhaps? I mean, that's. And that's a legitimate, thing. But there are many women who go through, you know, some sort of. Whether it's medical complication or emotional, distraught and, you know, all of these things without committing evil acts. And if they do, those circumstances do not justify or even, in my opinion, mitigate the inherent, absolute horror and evil of their acts.
Competing Views Of Human Nature: From Justice System To Political Ideologies
And so what this boils down to is two competing views of human nature. And we see this not just in policy and politics, but we're seeing this in culture. We're seeing this now in our justice system. We are seeing people who are literally suggesting, as this jury did and as these women now on Oprah and as so many of the Lindsey Clancy fans are doing. We are suggesting that if you are of a certain social demographic, a certain sex, I mean, imagine if this were a man. They wouldn't have the same compassion as they do for Lindsay Clancy. if there. If there's a different race. I mean, whatever the intrinsic characteristic, they're suggesting that we should look more at the perpetrator and the backstory and the justifications for all of this than the inherent evil. What they're doing. It's the same thing that people are suggesting in the political frame. We'll look at, you know, all these great ideas of socialism. Look at what, what Mamdani wanted to do for NewSong York. I mean, wasn't that the premise of his whole campaign? Look at all the free stuff. Look at what he wants to. What to build. And look at, you know, he wants to make, you know, the bus services free for these poor, you know, indigent NewSong Yorkers who can't afford public transportation. Isn't that so wonderful and generous of him? Well, now he's hit with an actual budget. Reality steps in, and you see how even the grandiose ideas don't actually mesh with reality. Because your policy and your politics have to be built up from a reality view, a true view of the world around us to the world that God has confined us to. And so while conservatives are often condemned because, well, you know, you're just so harsh, and you want people to go out and get jobs, and you don't want, people to, you know, who really need it to get entitlements and welfare from the government. Well, you know, and that's, that's so harsh and unloving of you. And how dare you, you know, advocate for closed borders? Because look at what the Statue of Liberty says. With all of the humanity you give us, your poor and, you know, you're destitute. Let them come. The American dream and all this warm fuzzy goo and blah, right? That is just a completely utopian view that ultimately will clash with reality because you will, in your worldview, eventually run up against the wall that is reality.
Christian Reality: Building Worldviews On Truth, Justice, Liberty, And Limited Government
And so Christianity refuses the extreme and refuses the, utopia. It says, what reality has God confined us to? We have to build up our worldview from there. And we have to acknowledge that reality requires justice. It requires liberty and freedom and limited government so that we can have a well ordered society. So we have to remember all of these things, the clash of the two worldviews in every aspect of government, including our voting in the midterms. So, so much more I could say, but we're already out of time. As always, you can reach me and my team. Jenna fr.
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