Hamilton: God has called us to be ambassadors even in this dark moment
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Alex McFarland: There's a lot in headlines this week
Abraham Hamilton III: And now, the Hamilton Corner.
Alex McFarland: I'm sure you've heard the quote by the famed, colonial era, voice, Edmund Burke. The quote attributed. Actually, there have been a few, but one of which is this. Edmund Burke said, all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Well, welcome to the program. Alex McFarland sitting in for attorney, pastor, broadcaster Abe Hamilton III. We've got a great show. For one thing, there's a lot in the headlines to talk about, not only from a spiritual perspect perspective, but, frankly, legal and constitutional considerations. And with us, I'll bring him to the mic in just a moment is a longtime friend and valued colleague in ministry and life, attorney, Richard Harris. And we'll talk about, truth and liberty and Richard Harris in just a moment.
Alex McFarland hosts American Family Radio Network's Exploring the Word
But I want to welcome everybody to the program. I am very honored to be with you tonight, very humbled that, Abe Hamilton would entrust me with his program. but, if you recognize my voice, it might be from a show that I do called Exploring the Word, which is now in its 15th year, heard live Monday through Friday on the American Family Radio Network. And so we appreciate all the people that follow Exploring the Word. We had a great show today, had two people on live radio pray to get born again. Two people on the radio earlier this afternoon that prayed to get saved on live radio. And that's why we do what we do. You know, whether it's doing a program or, or preaching a sermon or teaching a class, we here believe in the Great Commission that everyone needs to know about Jesus. And Jesus said, go into all the world and make disciples of all nations. And do you know what? Protecting our liberties and our freedoms is really a part of that. Periodically, ministers will write to me and listen. I've pastored two churches and spoken in many churches, but ministers will write to me and they'll say, well, Alex McFarland, I thought you were a gospel evangelist. Why do you care about politics? Why are you always talking about government and things like that? I thought we were called to the Great Commission. Well, here's part of why we do what we do. And perhaps attorney, pastor, academic, Richard Harris will weigh in on this as well. But we can, I believe, much more fruitfully live out the Great Commission when we have the liberty and the freedom to talk about Jesus. we can evangelize people and help sinners find salvation when it is legal to, evangelize and there are not obstacles to the gospel. So many reasons to be stewards of our freedom and obedient participants in Christ's Great Commission. And to weigh in on this and more, and especially some cases regarding Colorado where he lives, we've got our friend with us, Richard Harris. Richard and I are colleagues in the context of Charis Bible College. And also in addition to leading the school of practical government out there, Richard is the leader of Truth and Liberty, which is a multifaceted ministry fighting for freedom and empowering people to be salt and light in the culture. He's a longtime friend and colleague. Richard Harris, thank you so much for being with us tonight on the American Family Radio Network.
Jeff Chamblee: Amen. Alex, thank you for having me. It's a real honor and great to be with you again.
Alex McFarland: Well, and I've got the privilege of, serving alongside you on the board of Truth and Liberty. And for those that may be unaware, talk about Truth and Liberty and we'll weigh in on many issues. Plus, later on in the program, folks, we will take phone calls, but, for a moment, bring people up to speed on the work of Truth and Liberty Coalition.
Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, sure. Thank you, Alex. Well, Truth and Liberty is, really an adjunct of Andrew Wommack Ministries. So, it's an honor, of a lifetime for me to be able to serve, under Andrew Wommack. And he's a great Bible teacher. And a few years ago he decided to launch Truth and Liberty. it was really in response to the Supreme Court decision in Obergfell legalizing, gay marriage. That's such a benign way of describing it. It was actually, ah, an offense against God that our Supreme Court committed by having the gall and temerity to overturn 6,000 years of human history and think that man has the ability and the right to define, redefine a divinely ordained institution like marriage. And so Truth and Liberty was founded because the church was asleep. And Andrew wanted to, equip, mobilize and unify the church to stand for truth in the public square. So that' endeavor to do, through a lot of different, strategies and techniques. but we're Continuously trying to encourage and motivate and connect people to resources and all the amazing wonderful organizations that are out there, like American Family, ah, association and others that are working hard to restore the gospel in this nation and turn America back to God.
Richard Haas says Christian constitutionalists are working together more than ever before
Alex McFarland: Richard, do you feel like more, more than in previous years, conservative Christian constitutionalists are linking arms and working together and there's so many resources like all that you do and you, you put out some awesome emails. I love to get the briefs that you email out. And of course there's ADF Alliance Defending Freedom and there are, you know, everything from you know, Hillsdale College and the great imprimis, the briefs they put out. do you feel like maybe more than in previous years, the church and those of us that believe in the US Constitution, that maybe we're better positioned than we ever have been to fight for freedom and keep our, you know, religious freedom, freedom of expression, these things legal?
Jeff Chamblee: I think you're exactly right, Alex. And you know, I'll go a little deeper on that and say that I think you know, in the last, certainly in the last six years but even a little bit before that, persecution weaponized, government if you will, but not just government. you know, we refer to cancel culture because it's not just government, it's the news media, the entertainment industry, even the sports industry and others. Medics and science education all over the place has been targeting conservative speech but in particular Christians. We've seen persecution, against Christians in the United States of America, something we never thought we would see, actually ah, and levels unprecedented before but you know, in the whole experience during the COVID pandemic of mandatory shutdowns, churches, houses of worship being declared non essential in America. Who would have the gall to say that? It's amazing, while while box stores and, and you know, strip clubs and marijuana dispensaries and abortion clinics are essential and deemed, you know, they're allowed to stay open. Liquor stores were open. Yeah, liquor stores, gambling casinos. This onslaught has had the, I think from Satan's perspective surely the unintended, consequence of uniting the church, instead of always operating in our tribes and denominations and all this sort of thing. I've seen more unity come about in the last few years than ever before. And people care a whole lot less about denominational labels and minor doctrinal differences, when our, the very freedom to preach the gospel is at stake. And this unity is a very powerful thing. So I'm. I'm thanking God for it.
Alex McFarland: indeed, indeed.
Richard Greens: Let's talk about Colorado's new anti-LGBT law
let's talk about Colorado, if we could. as I was, frankly, I was thrilled that we could have you on tonight, and I appreciate you making time for this. But, Richard, on May 28th. So yesterday there was, a news brief. ADF, I'm old enough. I remember it was called the Alliance Defense Fund. And then it, now it stands for Alliance Defending Freedom, a great organization, but they have filed a suit on behalf of an apparel company, XXXY Athletics of Colorado, where you are, the Colorado Lyle, violating the right to speak the truth, that radical truth that men and women are different. And, this potentially has implications for the rest of the Nation. May 16, Colorado Governor Jared Paulus signed HB 251312 into law that basically, amends the Colorado Anti Discrimination act to define gender expression and chosen name as something that the rest of us are legally bound to acknowledge, even if we know it's not right. Help us understand this particular law, this particular, case and its implications for the rest of the country.
Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, absolutely. the ADF case is the second one that I know of to be filed. There was another one, one or two days previous to that, which, has, a coalition of plaintiffs, including Defend Education Colorado, parents, for Education. I forget the entire name of cpan. And then our good friends at Protect Kids Colorado, a strategic partner of ours here, and another individual, sued, as well over HB 1312 as we call it. And Colorado, has some extremely aggressive pro, LGBT laws, really, sort of LGBT indoctrination laws is what it is. The Colorado Anti Discrimination act makes, it illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of gender or gender expression, along with, of course, sexual identity and marriage status and all kinds of other things. Colorado is where the Jack Phillips case, the Masterpiece Cake Shop case, originated out of. So this is the same place, the same stuff where they're trying, you know, they tried to compel Jack Phillips, a Christian cake artist, to design a cake that would celebrate a homosexual wedding. He said, I can't do it. I'm a Christian. And this is. This is. I, can't participate in this activity. I'll make any other cake you want, but I can't make a wedding cake for you. Three trips, to the courthouse with Jack, and then also 303Creative, a wedding photographer who, who on her website was like, I, I will not do gay weddings. And they sued her as well. She Went all the way to the U.S. supreme Court and won a decision by the Supreme Court saying that's unconstitutional. But here in Colorado, they're a little bit thick in the head, I guess, and they're not getting the message. They just passed HB 1312, which says, well, gender expression is really any way that you choose to express your gender, from clothing to hair to whatever it might be, including your chosen name. So chosen name is now added to the list, meaning if your given name is Bob and you want to go by sue, then everybody in the universe has to now call you Sue. And, there are some exemptions in the law for religious organizations. I was just analyzing those right before you called Alex. but other than that, the general public, anyone that offers any kind of business, that's called a public accommodation, any employer, any employer, anyone who provides housing, and then anyone who speaks publicly about any of those services, so they call that advertising discrimination, must comply with this law. So this is controlled speech. It's the government coming in and telling us, you must say this and only this, and if you deviate from it, we will fine you, we will punish you. It's, LGBT totalitarianism or LGBT Marxism, @ its worst. And, it leaves no room for freedom of speech or freedom of conscience.
Alex McFarland: we've got a break, and when we come back, I'm going to tell you and I'm going to get Richard Harris's opinion on a medical school, that is imposing this. And, it's really compelled speech because Richard, I spoke at, UNC Greensboro, where I went to undergrad about two years ago, and there was a male student, clearly a male, unequivocally male, complete with five o' clock shadow, but dressed, as a female. And, you know, I was getting yelled at by other students because I referred to this person as a he. But it's compelled speech, isn't it, to, call somebody a gender that they clearly aren't. Our freedom's up for grabs, folks. This is the Hamilton Corner, Alex McFarland sitting in for Abe Hamilton. Our very special guest, Richard Harris, attorney, pastor, leader of the Practical Government School at Charis Bible College. Later on in the show, we will get to your phone calls and questions. And as always, you can listen to this show [email protected] this and other great program is archived there, so you may, may want to send a link and share this, but stay tuned. A brief break and more on the American Family Radio Network. Don't Go away.
Jeff Chamblee: A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
What are some biblical characteristics that help us define what a godly man looks like
Joseph Parker: What are some biblical characteristics and some biblical standards that help us see and define what a godly man looks like? Here are a few. Number one, he has received Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of his life. Number two, he seeks to read the Word of God daily for himself. Number three, he spends time daily in prayer. Number four, he seeks to have a time daily to bring the family together to read the Word of God, teach from the Word of God and pray together. Number five, he takes and or makes time to train and instruct his children, teaching them about God, the Word of God, and teaching them wisdom for all areas of life. Number six, he seeks to lead and take his family to church regularly, such as worship service on Sundays and Bible studies on Wednesdays. Number seven, he has a sense of mission in his life.
Abraham Hamilton III: Shining light into the darkness. This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
Alex McFarland: Welcome back to the program. Alex McFarland here we're going to resume our conversation with attorney, pastor, broadcaster Richard Harris.
Alex McFarland hosts Biblical Worldview conference on June 15 in South Carolina
But, I want to thank everybody for their enthusiasm for our summer conference, on Biblical Worldview. I call it Conversations that Matter. A couple of weeks ago, we had Dinesh d' Souza in Myrtle M. Beach, South Carolina. People came from as far away as Indiana. It was just great. And, we've got on June 15, this is not that far away. We've got Gary Chapman. And Gary Chapman famously wrote the book the First Five Love Languages. I tell people I think Gary Chapman has probably saved more marriages than almost any other Christian author. And we want you to hear him, the Five Love Languages he'll be speaking. And there will be open Q and A. Then in August, how about this? We've got Charlie Kirk coming. And so, Myrtle beach is kind of like Branson, Missouri in that there are a lot of theaters here. And we've rented, a couple of theaters to do these Biblical Worldview presentations. The website is alexmcfarland.com conversations conversations that matter. Later on in the the end of the summer that we'll have Lauren Green of Fox News. So please, as we say, pray, promote, plan to attend. Because, like Richard Harris and I were talking about earlier, we, need the church to be informed, to be, courageous, to stand strong and stand bold for our freedoms so that we can share the gospel and see people saved and see an awakening in our country.
Richard Harris has a new book called Faith for America
So again, for the summer speaker series, alexmcfarland.com conversations our guest, this hour is Richard Harris, attorney. And I can also say this author and I know. Richard, you've got a book out. I saw the COVID it looks great. is it Faith for America? Is that the title of your book?
Jeff Chamblee: 60 page or so booklet. looks, looks like that. Faith for America.
Alex McFarland: Yeah.
Jeff Chamblee: And it's about how that our nation was built on God's word and on faith. And it many crucial times, during our nation's history. The faith of God's people is what has carried us through and how God's hand has intervened to save us, deliver us and turn us back from our sin and provide us with victory. And you know, the times that we are going through right now, you know, I think with the election of Donald Trump is really miraculous in many ways. but before that, leading up to that, you know, I, I would hear people all the time, Alex, and I know you did too say things like, the end is near, you know, God, is judging America. we're over the cliff, you know, we've lost our country and these kinds of things. And I wanted to write the book to encourage people. We've been through harder times before and God is able because we have a covenant with Him. And he's going to honor that covenant if we'll do our part. He is guaranteed to do his part. And nothing is too hard for him. So we need to be encouraged.
Alex McFarland: Well, you know, Lazarus had been in the grave for several days and Jesus said, come forth. And so it's always too soon to quit. It's always too soon to give up because our God is able. And I agree Richard, that America is a nation in covenant with God. And from your book Faith for America, by the way, where can people get this wonderful resource?
Jeff Chamblee: Sure they can get it, on the Truth and Liberty website. I'm not sure if it's quite up yet, but that's truthandliberty.net or the Andrew Wommack Ministries website, which is awmi.netmhm.
Alex McFarland: you know, before the break we were talking about HB 1312 and you know, I was reading about it earlier and we've come up with just some crazy words like dead naming. I mean, and when you know someone, for instance, there's a lot of spiritual implications. I mean, look, there are some things about our life that we just can't choose. When we were born, where ah, we were born, our gender, male or female. I mean, there's just some things about life that the dear Lord chose on our behalf. legal considerations aside, Richard, what do you think the spiritual implications are that people essentially are saying, no, God cannot call the shots. God nor anyone else can label anything about me. I was born a male. I'll identify differently. You know, I mean, aren't there spiritual implications when people want to be just militantly autonomous?
Jeff Chamblee: Well, absolutely. You know, at its core, it's a rebellion. It's a rebellion against God, against his created order. And they want to take their own desire for rebellion and require the entire world to comply with it, to conform to their rebellion, even though their rebellion has no basis in reality. You know, gender now to these folks, is not, gee, do you. You know, do you have an X, Y or an XX chromosome? No, it's, how do you feel on the inside? Do you want to be a woman? Do you want to be a man? How do you feel? And who do you, feel at home with, really? a subjective feeling that could change with the wind, you know, And. But as long as I feel that way, the entire world has to go along with my delusion. It's. It's literally insanity. And, you know, there was a bombing that took place at a, fertility clinic. Not an abortion clinic, a fertility clinic out in California a few weeks ago. And the young man that, that was killed in the bombing and that, allegedly did it, my understanding is that he believed that, people needed to have a choice, had the right to choose whether to be born.
Alex McFarland: I remember that. And, you know, I had been out to California to preach. I know. I know the place in Palm Springs where that bombing took place. And sadly, the young man, either committed suicide or he himself died in the blast that he caused. But I remember in his manifesto, he said that it is wrong for children to be born, conceived and born without their consent. And I'm thinking, okay, that doesn't even make sense, does it?
Jeff Chamblee: No, it's. It's more of this sort of insanity. The, you know, the further man gets away from God, the more deluded, deceived and divorced from true reality he becomes. God, of course, is truth and the author of truth. And, you know, ever since the Garden of Eden, the question has been, who's to say? Who gets to say what is right and wrong and true? And deep in our flesh is this desire to be the ones on the throne, to get to say what's right, wrong and true. And whether we get to do it or not. and when that rebellion. The more freedom we give to that, the more death and destruction comes about. And we've got to stand our ground on this thing, we've got to be bold and unashamed. We, have the winning side of this argument now and forever, and we should not be ashamed of it. God made us male and female, and he's ordained that for a purpose and for a reason. And we need to be teaching people to celebrate their sexual, you know, how God made them, their sexual identity, their true, objective sexual identity. If you're not comfortable in that, for whatever reason, maybe you've been abused, maybe you've been neglected, maybe you were mistreated, or maybe you've just been lied to by the culture. You know, God offers redemption. He offers deliverance. Jesus said that whoever abides in my word, word shall be my disciple indeed, and he shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8, 31 and 32. And as the church, we are responsible for ministering that truth in love to this, to the people. And, that's what we've got to do today.
Richard Berman: I believe the United States Supreme Court will strike down HB 1312
Alex McFarland: Richard, legally, as an attorney, do you. Do you think HB 1312 would be legally enforced? I mean, do you see people being prosecuted for, misgendering someone? Here's, a man in a dress, who identifies as a female. But I say, excuse, me, sir. I mean, do you really think legally that could stand to. To prosecute people that misgender or dead, name someone?
Jeff Chamblee: Well, it shouldn't stand. it probably will stand up in Colorado courts, even all the way to the Colorado Supreme Court, because they've upheld similar stuff in the past. They thought it was just fine to prosecute Jack Phillips, and the owner of 303, video. They'll probably do the same with this one. But I believe that ultimately the United States Supreme Court and any honest judge that interprets its precedent, would strike down this law because it's a blatant violation of the First Amendment, of the United States Constitution. And, it should be invalidated.
Alex McFarland asks attorney Richard Harris about immutable characteristics
Alex McFarland: folks, tune in because, I've got a couple of questions to ask attorney Richard Harris. And I think they could be profoundly beneficial. And here is a question. And, Richard, I think you'll instantly know why I'm asking the questions I'm asking, but would you define the word immutable in terms of our U.S. constitution declaration, Bill of Rights, immutability regarding human beings? What does immutable mean?
Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, well, immutable, of course, that word itself is not in the Constitution. But what you're driving at there, I think, Alex, is The idea that an immutable characteristic means an unchanging one, one that cannot be altered, a person's race cannot be altered, a person's God given gender cannot be altered. And as a result of that, because we're all created equal, these should not be, grounds for discrimination in public life. You shouldn't be able to discriminate against, a person because of their race or because of their ancestry or because of the nation that they come from. They can't control these things. And by and large these things are irrelevant anyway. And so because we believe in the equality of all people, that's morally wrong when it comes to gender stuff. And I include the whole panoply here from sexual orientation. You know, that was the first one. That was the first one. And now it's not just sexual orientation, it's gender identity and gender expression and, and and there's another one in the mix somewhere. I don't remember what exactly it is. But now all these layer upon layer of perversions are being added which are not immutable. This is a core issue of the debate. Are these things immutable characteristics? Well, the, the, the, the homosexual community, they want to say, yeah, they're immutable. I was born gay. I'm sorry. Spiritually and biblically, that is absolutely not true. But even scientifically that's not true. most people that experience same sex attraction or even gender confusion in their youth will grow out of it by the time they're in their mid-20s. They processed and dealt with those contrary, feelings and are living relatively normal and healthy lives. and even in the case where people are still experiencing those feelings well into adulthood, and I acknowledge those are real, those exist, that is an issue. It breaks my heart that people have to suffer like that. But there is still the opportunity for freedom and change because the problem is not biological. The problem is in the mind. And it's how we think. And these people have been traumatized. Actually they're victims of trauma, for the most part. And the trauma can be healed by the love and the truth of God. And, and to tell us, for the courts and lawmakers in this country to say, you cannot offer that truth you like, in Colorado now it's against the law to counsel people who want to get out of same sex attraction. They call it, they call it conversion, conversion therapy. That's unconstitutional as well. How can you ban that? You're saying we cannot help people who want to get out of this that's insane. but that's where they are. They want to lock down and mandate their ideology on everybody. And we're just not going to have it. we're not going to submit to that.
Alex McFarland: you're listening to attorney Richard Harris. Alex McFarland here on the American Family Radio Network. Richard, I've interviewed as recently as within the last month. I've interviewed former, ah, homosexuals, former transgender people who lived, the transgender lifestyle. I've never met like a former Hispanic or a former Caucasian. so ethnicity is not the same as behavior, is it?
Jeff Chamblee: Well, no, absolutely not. And ethnicity is, yeah, it's, it's not, it's not even a legitimate basis for choosing whether to offer a service or to include someone in your circle of influence or anything else like that. That's, that' wrong. When it comes to gender, on the other hand, there are many occasions where that person doesn't belong. Like for example, a, ah, boy should not be in girls locker rooms. A boy should not play in girls sports. there are times when men need to be separated from women for various reasons. and that is just common sense, Alex. And I'll take it a step further. I've never seen a boy become a girl either. What we're seeing today is boys pretending to be girls and girls pretending to be boys. Even if they have surgery and hormone therapy, they're still the gender they were born with. Because, at this point, science can't go into every single cell of your body and change the chromosomes to be male or female. you're made male and female. And it affects many functions of the human body, not just the external appearances or the sexual anatomy. So what we're doing is m, we're chopping up our kids is what we're doing and making them look like another gender. But it's all a fake. It's all a ruse. It's not real. And we can't abide by this any longer.
Alex McFarland: Okay, A week ago I was talking to. I'm not going to name the school, I'm not going to name the students because this is real. And I do not want to cause trouble, but, one of the most well known medical schools, schools in America. Everybody listening would know this medical school, three students. There was a class on gender affirming care. It was taught by an instructor with purple, ah, hair in a bun. It was a male dressed as a female. And out of a classroom of nearly four dozen medical students, three, said, you know, how do we administer medical care to patients that don't have the bodily organs corresponding to what they're asking for? And should we let the patient chart the course of care rather than the doctor? Well, they were sent to the dean of the medical school and had to write papers apologizing for asking questions. When we come back, we're going to talk with attorney Richard Harris. We'll take phone calls as well. if you want to call in, it's 888-5898-840885-89840. How our nation must have the courage and the presence of mind to speak truth. Common sense truth. Stay tuned. More on the American Family Radio Network after this brief break.
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America's Providential history with Stephen McDowell
Alex McFarland: Term providence means God's superintending care over his creation.
Jeff Chamblee: America's Providential history with Stephen McDowell.
Alex McFarland: God is at work performing his will in history. And so through this podcast, we're going to be taking a look at the providence of God in the history and in particular in the history of America.
Jeff Chamblee: America's Providential History available now on the podcast [email protected].
Abraham Hamilton III: The Hamilton Quarter podcast and one minute commentaries are available at afr.net Back to the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
Alex McFarland: Alex McFarland here talking with Richard Harris. spirit of full disclosure, Richard has been a friend for nearly a decade. We are colleagues. We both have the privilege of teaching at Charis Bible College. I've had the privilege for a number of years of teaching apologetics, biblical worldview, and then in the School of Practical Government, which is part of a third year program. And, it's just phenomenal. It really is.
Tell us about your school of practical government and where people can find you
And, Richard, before we, I've got so many questions I want to ask you and maybe some of the listeners do as well. But, again, tell us about truth and Liberty, where people can watch truth and Liberty, the School of Practical Government, people like David Barton and Bill Federer and just some of the great leaders of our time, speak out there in Woodland Park, Colorado. But just, give us a couple of websites and tell us about where people can find you, Richard.
Jeff Chamblee: Well, thanks, Alex. Yeah, we, I've known you since we started practical government school and we're now I think next year will be the 10th year of it. And wow, it's been just phenomenal. And you're, you're, I think you teach more courses than any other individual in pgs and you do such an amazing job and we just love you man. And But yeah, so Truth and Liberty, folks can find us on the web@ah, truthandliberty.net and our show that we do twice a week, Wednesdays and Fridays at 6pm Mountain time. So 8pm Eastern. You can watch it live on our, on our [email protected] or on another website that the ministry hosts called gtn.com gospel truth network. you can catch our show there at the same time and many other other programs on gtn, great Bible teaching. But the Truth and Liberty show also is on all your favorite social media platforms. I say all of them. you know, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, what's the one for the young people? I always forget that one. but yeah, but we're there. Yeah, the one that almost got banned. but tick tock. yeah, tick tock. So I don't know.
Alex McFarland: You're on that too.
Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, so we're all over the place and our audience is growing and it's going great. And we also on our website, I want to mention we have a resources center, Alex, that's one of a kind. Took us quite a while to build it, but we've got hundreds of resources on there. Everything from training materials on how to run for office, a voting resources center and a pastor's toolkit. and it's searchable by subject matter and other things. Encourage everybody to check that out. the Practical Government School, as you said, is in the third year for it's a third year program at Charis Bible College. Charis is based in Woodland Park, Colorado. it's an arm of Andrew Wommack Ministries and we have 1,000 students on campus here in Woodland Park. the third year has multiple schools. I think there are seven schools including Practical Government School that train students in the areas that God's called them to. so business, worship, ministry. our mission school is called Global Outreach and Practical Government among others. And so we are equipping students to engage the realm of government with a biblical worldview, with an understanding of America's Christian Heritage. I think the students that graduate from our school, Alex, will know the US Constitution better than almost any member of Congress. In fact, I guarantee that to be true. Not every member, but almost every member better than most judges, even and most attorneys. And also we'll acquire practical skills like you know, you teach public speaking for us, how to handle a hostile media interview, we have former congressman, teachers on how to run for office and many, many other amazing courses. So I am a real believer in the program and if anybody wants to learn more, they can check it out on charisbiblecollege.org they can look up the third year program and find practical government school there. Charisbiblecollege.org well, thank you Richard.
Alex McFarland: Thank you very much.
Richard McGraw: Medical school had mandatory class on gender affirming care
Before the break, I was telling you about a student that is in medical school, I'm not going to say who, not going to say where, they had a class that was mandatory on gender affirming care. Now the particular instructor don't know if it even was a full out professor. It was an outside instructor. they said it was clearly a male but dressed as a female, purple, hair up in a, in a man bun. But three students out of a class of about 40 said well how do we administer treatment for a patient relative to organs the patient doesn't possess? and the other area of conversation was, you know, as doctors, once we become doctors, should we allow the patient to mandate a course of treatment that we don't feel like is medically responsible because you know, generally, you know, the medical professional, the doctor charts the course of treatment. Well, long story short, and as this particular medical student was telling me this, the person was visibly upset, said we three students were sent to the dean of the medical school. We were strongly reprimanded. we had insulted the instructor and bullied the instructor and this person said we did not. We were very respectful. We just were basically saying look, shouldn't we give medical care that is commensure it with the person's gender? We all three were made to write papers. They told me, apologizing, saying we won't do this again and we in the future will go along with the gender guidelines that this medical school has embraced. There's just so many things in my mind that are wrong with this and this is like psychological conditioning. But Richard, where's it going to stop when basically human biology and common sense say look, there's truth and reality, there's delusion and Misinformation. I mean, aren't we on egregiously dangerous ground when even doctors in training are being coerced to go along with what we know is false?
Jeff Chamblee: You're right. It's more. It's just another manifestation of the thought and speech control coming from the woke ideologues on the left, especially the LGBT movement. I, was just watching a documentary last night, Alex, on Communist China and the stories of people who have dared to speak out against, the regime and criticize the government for various things and how they suddenly will disapp sometimes never to be seen again, sometimes to re. Emerge years later where their businesses are taken or they're forced to confess to crimes against the state and apologize for their errors. you know, there's no difference between what these med students just were put through and how Communist China deals with dissent. And they weren't even. These students, based on what you're saying, weren't even dissenting. They were just asking responsible questions based on their understanding of medical science and their potential duties that they're going to be acquiring for themselves as doctors. There's a movement out right now fighting against this whole crazy transgenderism thing called do no Harm. Family Policy alliance, has that name on it, and there are others, Dr. Morel and so forth. because this transgender medical treatment, it is not really medicine, is it? It's not trying to fix a medical problem or provide health for someone. No, it's, mutilating the human body, making it operate contrary to its design in order to placate, a delusion that the patient has. Well, it is irresponsible for a doctor to go along with that. it's an abuse of his privileges, and it does harm the individual. These folks who go through gender therapy, transition, they are permanently sterilized, brother. They will never again. Even if they recover from their delusion, they will never have the opportunity to bear children. They will never function properly. They'll never have, you know, normal, levels of hormones and m. All the other functions that go along. I might be mistaken on the normal level thing, but, you know, it's a terrible thing. And the d. Transitioners out there, people need to watch those testimonies. They're heartbreaking.
Alex McFarland: There really are. And suicidal, ideation, thoughts of suicide, self harm, attempted suicide, are exponentially higher in the lives of the people that have tried to transition to a different gender. And so, you know, I remember Dr. Phil was just eviscerated in the media several years ago. But Phil McGraw, Dr. Phil, he said, these people with transgender, inclination, they don't need surgery, they need counseling. And, I mean, he was. But he was right. He was right.
Richard Harris: LGBT movement wants to eliminate notion of immutable characteristics
So, I've got a question. I'm so privileged, I want to say thank you for making time to be with us. so I was doing research for the program today, Richard Attorney, Richard Harris, and I found a paper from the Yale Law Review. It was from 2016, and it was an article titled Against Immutability. Against Immutability. And it basically was talking about that. It was encouraging people, lawyers, attorneys, and I would assume, students at Yale Law School to, reconsider the idea of immutable characteristics. And it just said, with the advent of, gay LGBT considerations, we realize that immutable characteristics, don't tell the whole story. And we've always understood the Constitution in terms of immutable rights. But let's read. And I'm sorry, it was Harvard Law Review, not Yale. It was Harvard Law Review, but we've got to, ah, now look at the Constitution against immutability. What are your thoughts on that sort of, position, Richard?
Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, and I think I understand what you're saying. The. The idea there is, originally, civil rights law, came about from a recognition that certain differences among human beings, external differences and the like, are not really the valid base, a valid basis for discriminating against people in different areas because they can't do anything about those differences, for one thing, and for another thing, they're irrelevant. and so, immutable characteristics were all created equal and entitled to the equality under the law. And so we shouldn't allow discrimination in the law based on immutable characteristics like race, or sex, for that matter. But always in the law, when it comes to sex, there has been some discrimination allowed. What I mean by that is there are occasions where the sex of an individual is relevant to the actions of the government or to the actions of a business, for example, and so on. Like letting women into men's bathrooms and vice versa and this sort of thing. and so some level of discrimination, all discrimination means is applying a different, standard. Okay, so you're discriminatory, okay, in your decision making. to completely obliterate or remove immutability as an element in deciding whether a class of people have a civil rights claim based on discrimination is cutting the rope that ties us to the dock. Right? We will then be floating out in the ocean. on what basis do we believe that the Discrimination should be unlawful. It's nothing more than the desire of the people that have, whatever the characteristic is, to be treated equally. But there may be on the other side many or other reasons or compelling reasons for the discrimination. But see, the LGBT movement especially wants to eliminate all that because really, what they're trying to do is they're trying to make homosexuality and all forms of sexual, related thinking, perversion and conduct. They want it to remove it from the realm of m. They don't want it to be a moral or religious question anymore. They want it solely to be a matter of choice and preference that no one can challenge and no one can speak against. Okay? And, that's where they want to go. And so that's why they want to sever the tie. They want to get rid of the immutability question. Because morally speaking, who you have sex with, is a matter of choice and conduct and for which you are responsible. and it is a moral question. We cannot, as human beings, say that sex is an amoral issue. It is a moral issue, and God has established the standards for it. He's our creator and our designer, and we need to follow those standards. And, the left and the LGBT movement, they want to silence that discussion. They don't want it to even happen anymore.
Alex McFarland: So the gay marriage decision of 2015 and other like legislation is vastly different from the civil rights legislation of the 1960s, isn't it?
Jeff Chamblee: Well, it is. Because to say that a man has a right to marry a man, you have to believe that that right exists because, homosexuality or same sex attraction, a sexual preference, is immutable.
Alex McFarland: Hey, Richard, Forgive me. We're almost m out of time.
Jeff Chamblee: You're born gay, so it's wrong for us to.
Alex McFarland: We're out of time. Sir Richard Harris, thank you and thanks for listening. Alex McFarland saying thank you for listening to the American Family Radio Network. Blessings to all.
Jeff Chamblee: The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.
Hamilton: God has called us to be ambassadors even in this dark moment
Joseph Parker: Darkness is not an affirmative force. It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
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Alex McFarland: There's a lot in headlines this week
Abraham Hamilton III: And now, the Hamilton Corner.
Alex McFarland: I'm sure you've heard the quote by the famed, colonial era, voice, Edmund Burke. The quote attributed. Actually, there have been a few, but one of which is this. Edmund Burke said, all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Well, welcome to the program. Alex McFarland sitting in for attorney, pastor, broadcaster Abe Hamilton III. We've got a great show. For one thing, there's a lot in the headlines to talk about, not only from a spiritual perspect perspective, but, frankly, legal and constitutional considerations. And with us, I'll bring him to the mic in just a moment is a longtime friend and valued colleague in ministry and life, attorney, Richard Harris. And we'll talk about, truth and liberty and Richard Harris in just a moment.
Alex McFarland hosts American Family Radio Network's Exploring the Word
But I want to welcome everybody to the program. I am very honored to be with you tonight, very humbled that, Abe Hamilton would entrust me with his program. but, if you recognize my voice, it might be from a show that I do called Exploring the Word, which is now in its 15th year, heard live Monday through Friday on the American Family Radio Network. And so we appreciate all the people that follow Exploring the Word. We had a great show today, had two people on live radio pray to get born again. Two people on the radio earlier this afternoon that prayed to get saved on live radio. And that's why we do what we do. You know, whether it's doing a program or, or preaching a sermon or teaching a class, we here believe in the Great Commission that everyone needs to know about Jesus. And Jesus said, go into all the world and make disciples of all nations. And do you know what? Protecting our liberties and our freedoms is really a part of that. Periodically, ministers will write to me and listen. I've pastored two churches and spoken in many churches, but ministers will write to me and they'll say, well, Alex McFarland, I thought you were a gospel evangelist. Why do you care about politics? Why are you always talking about government and things like that? I thought we were called to the Great Commission. Well, here's part of why we do what we do. And perhaps attorney, pastor, academic, Richard Harris will weigh in on this as well. But we can, I believe, much more fruitfully live out the Great Commission when we have the liberty and the freedom to talk about Jesus. we can evangelize people and help sinners find salvation when it is legal to, evangelize and there are not obstacles to the gospel. So many reasons to be stewards of our freedom and obedient participants in Christ's Great Commission. And to weigh in on this and more, and especially some cases regarding Colorado where he lives, we've got our friend with us, Richard Harris. Richard and I are colleagues in the context of Charis Bible College. And also in addition to leading the school of practical government out there, Richard is the leader of Truth and Liberty, which is a multifaceted ministry fighting for freedom and empowering people to be salt and light in the culture. He's a longtime friend and colleague. Richard Harris, thank you so much for being with us tonight on the American Family Radio Network.
Jeff Chamblee: Amen. Alex, thank you for having me. It's a real honor and great to be with you again.
Alex McFarland: Well, and I've got the privilege of, serving alongside you on the board of Truth and Liberty. And for those that may be unaware, talk about Truth and Liberty and we'll weigh in on many issues. Plus, later on in the program, folks, we will take phone calls, but, for a moment, bring people up to speed on the work of Truth and Liberty Coalition.
Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, sure. Thank you, Alex. Well, Truth and Liberty is, really an adjunct of Andrew Wommack Ministries. So, it's an honor, of a lifetime for me to be able to serve, under Andrew Wommack. And he's a great Bible teacher. And a few years ago he decided to launch Truth and Liberty. it was really in response to the Supreme Court decision in Obergfell legalizing, gay marriage. That's such a benign way of describing it. It was actually, ah, an offense against God that our Supreme Court committed by having the gall and temerity to overturn 6,000 years of human history and think that man has the ability and the right to define, redefine a divinely ordained institution like marriage. And so Truth and Liberty was founded because the church was asleep. And Andrew wanted to, equip, mobilize and unify the church to stand for truth in the public square. So that' endeavor to do, through a lot of different, strategies and techniques. but we're Continuously trying to encourage and motivate and connect people to resources and all the amazing wonderful organizations that are out there, like American Family, ah, association and others that are working hard to restore the gospel in this nation and turn America back to God.
Richard Haas says Christian constitutionalists are working together more than ever before
Alex McFarland: Richard, do you feel like more, more than in previous years, conservative Christian constitutionalists are linking arms and working together and there's so many resources like all that you do and you, you put out some awesome emails. I love to get the briefs that you email out. And of course there's ADF Alliance Defending Freedom and there are, you know, everything from you know, Hillsdale College and the great imprimis, the briefs they put out. do you feel like maybe more than in previous years, the church and those of us that believe in the US Constitution, that maybe we're better positioned than we ever have been to fight for freedom and keep our, you know, religious freedom, freedom of expression, these things legal?
Jeff Chamblee: I think you're exactly right, Alex. And you know, I'll go a little deeper on that and say that I think you know, in the last, certainly in the last six years but even a little bit before that, persecution weaponized, government if you will, but not just government. you know, we refer to cancel culture because it's not just government, it's the news media, the entertainment industry, even the sports industry and others. Medics and science education all over the place has been targeting conservative speech but in particular Christians. We've seen persecution, against Christians in the United States of America, something we never thought we would see, actually ah, and levels unprecedented before but you know, in the whole experience during the COVID pandemic of mandatory shutdowns, churches, houses of worship being declared non essential in America. Who would have the gall to say that? It's amazing, while while box stores and, and you know, strip clubs and marijuana dispensaries and abortion clinics are essential and deemed, you know, they're allowed to stay open. Liquor stores were open. Yeah, liquor stores, gambling casinos. This onslaught has had the, I think from Satan's perspective surely the unintended, consequence of uniting the church, instead of always operating in our tribes and denominations and all this sort of thing. I've seen more unity come about in the last few years than ever before. And people care a whole lot less about denominational labels and minor doctrinal differences, when our, the very freedom to preach the gospel is at stake. And this unity is a very powerful thing. So I'm. I'm thanking God for it.
Alex McFarland: indeed, indeed.
Richard Greens: Let's talk about Colorado's new anti-LGBT law
let's talk about Colorado, if we could. as I was, frankly, I was thrilled that we could have you on tonight, and I appreciate you making time for this. But, Richard, on May 28th. So yesterday there was, a news brief. ADF, I'm old enough. I remember it was called the Alliance Defense Fund. And then it, now it stands for Alliance Defending Freedom, a great organization, but they have filed a suit on behalf of an apparel company, XXXY Athletics of Colorado, where you are, the Colorado Lyle, violating the right to speak the truth, that radical truth that men and women are different. And, this potentially has implications for the rest of the Nation. May 16, Colorado Governor Jared Paulus signed HB 251312 into law that basically, amends the Colorado Anti Discrimination act to define gender expression and chosen name as something that the rest of us are legally bound to acknowledge, even if we know it's not right. Help us understand this particular law, this particular, case and its implications for the rest of the country.
Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, absolutely. the ADF case is the second one that I know of to be filed. There was another one, one or two days previous to that, which, has, a coalition of plaintiffs, including Defend Education Colorado, parents, for Education. I forget the entire name of cpan. And then our good friends at Protect Kids Colorado, a strategic partner of ours here, and another individual, sued, as well over HB 1312 as we call it. And Colorado, has some extremely aggressive pro, LGBT laws, really, sort of LGBT indoctrination laws is what it is. The Colorado Anti Discrimination act makes, it illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of gender or gender expression, along with, of course, sexual identity and marriage status and all kinds of other things. Colorado is where the Jack Phillips case, the Masterpiece Cake Shop case, originated out of. So this is the same place, the same stuff where they're trying, you know, they tried to compel Jack Phillips, a Christian cake artist, to design a cake that would celebrate a homosexual wedding. He said, I can't do it. I'm a Christian. And this is. This is. I, can't participate in this activity. I'll make any other cake you want, but I can't make a wedding cake for you. Three trips, to the courthouse with Jack, and then also 303Creative, a wedding photographer who, who on her website was like, I, I will not do gay weddings. And they sued her as well. She Went all the way to the U.S. supreme Court and won a decision by the Supreme Court saying that's unconstitutional. But here in Colorado, they're a little bit thick in the head, I guess, and they're not getting the message. They just passed HB 1312, which says, well, gender expression is really any way that you choose to express your gender, from clothing to hair to whatever it might be, including your chosen name. So chosen name is now added to the list, meaning if your given name is Bob and you want to go by sue, then everybody in the universe has to now call you Sue. And, there are some exemptions in the law for religious organizations. I was just analyzing those right before you called Alex. but other than that, the general public, anyone that offers any kind of business, that's called a public accommodation, any employer, any employer, anyone who provides housing, and then anyone who speaks publicly about any of those services, so they call that advertising discrimination, must comply with this law. So this is controlled speech. It's the government coming in and telling us, you must say this and only this, and if you deviate from it, we will fine you, we will punish you. It's, LGBT totalitarianism or LGBT Marxism, @ its worst. And, it leaves no room for freedom of speech or freedom of conscience.
Alex McFarland: we've got a break, and when we come back, I'm going to tell you and I'm going to get Richard Harris's opinion on a medical school, that is imposing this. And, it's really compelled speech because Richard, I spoke at, UNC Greensboro, where I went to undergrad about two years ago, and there was a male student, clearly a male, unequivocally male, complete with five o' clock shadow, but dressed, as a female. And, you know, I was getting yelled at by other students because I referred to this person as a he. But it's compelled speech, isn't it, to, call somebody a gender that they clearly aren't. Our freedom's up for grabs, folks. This is the Hamilton Corner, Alex McFarland sitting in for Abe Hamilton. Our very special guest, Richard Harris, attorney, pastor, leader of the Practical Government School at Charis Bible College. Later on in the show, we will get to your phone calls and questions. And as always, you can listen to this show [email protected] this and other great program is archived there, so you may, may want to send a link and share this, but stay tuned. A brief break and more on the American Family Radio Network. Don't Go away.
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What are some biblical characteristics that help us define what a godly man looks like
Joseph Parker: What are some biblical characteristics and some biblical standards that help us see and define what a godly man looks like? Here are a few. Number one, he has received Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of his life. Number two, he seeks to read the Word of God daily for himself. Number three, he spends time daily in prayer. Number four, he seeks to have a time daily to bring the family together to read the Word of God, teach from the Word of God and pray together. Number five, he takes and or makes time to train and instruct his children, teaching them about God, the Word of God, and teaching them wisdom for all areas of life. Number six, he seeks to lead and take his family to church regularly, such as worship service on Sundays and Bible studies on Wednesdays. Number seven, he has a sense of mission in his life.
Abraham Hamilton III: Shining light into the darkness. This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
Alex McFarland: Welcome back to the program. Alex McFarland here we're going to resume our conversation with attorney, pastor, broadcaster Richard Harris.
Alex McFarland hosts Biblical Worldview conference on June 15 in South Carolina
But, I want to thank everybody for their enthusiasm for our summer conference, on Biblical Worldview. I call it Conversations that Matter. A couple of weeks ago, we had Dinesh d' Souza in Myrtle M. Beach, South Carolina. People came from as far away as Indiana. It was just great. And, we've got on June 15, this is not that far away. We've got Gary Chapman. And Gary Chapman famously wrote the book the First Five Love Languages. I tell people I think Gary Chapman has probably saved more marriages than almost any other Christian author. And we want you to hear him, the Five Love Languages he'll be speaking. And there will be open Q and A. Then in August, how about this? We've got Charlie Kirk coming. And so, Myrtle beach is kind of like Branson, Missouri in that there are a lot of theaters here. And we've rented, a couple of theaters to do these Biblical Worldview presentations. The website is alexmcfarland.com conversations conversations that matter. Later on in the the end of the summer that we'll have Lauren Green of Fox News. So please, as we say, pray, promote, plan to attend. Because, like Richard Harris and I were talking about earlier, we, need the church to be informed, to be, courageous, to stand strong and stand bold for our freedoms so that we can share the gospel and see people saved and see an awakening in our country.
Richard Harris has a new book called Faith for America
So again, for the summer speaker series, alexmcfarland.com conversations our guest, this hour is Richard Harris, attorney. And I can also say this author and I know. Richard, you've got a book out. I saw the COVID it looks great. is it Faith for America? Is that the title of your book?
Jeff Chamblee: 60 page or so booklet. looks, looks like that. Faith for America.
Alex McFarland: Yeah.
Jeff Chamblee: And it's about how that our nation was built on God's word and on faith. And it many crucial times, during our nation's history. The faith of God's people is what has carried us through and how God's hand has intervened to save us, deliver us and turn us back from our sin and provide us with victory. And you know, the times that we are going through right now, you know, I think with the election of Donald Trump is really miraculous in many ways. but before that, leading up to that, you know, I, I would hear people all the time, Alex, and I know you did too say things like, the end is near, you know, God, is judging America. we're over the cliff, you know, we've lost our country and these kinds of things. And I wanted to write the book to encourage people. We've been through harder times before and God is able because we have a covenant with Him. And he's going to honor that covenant if we'll do our part. He is guaranteed to do his part. And nothing is too hard for him. So we need to be encouraged.
Alex McFarland: Well, you know, Lazarus had been in the grave for several days and Jesus said, come forth. And so it's always too soon to quit. It's always too soon to give up because our God is able. And I agree Richard, that America is a nation in covenant with God. And from your book Faith for America, by the way, where can people get this wonderful resource?
Jeff Chamblee: Sure they can get it, on the Truth and Liberty website. I'm not sure if it's quite up yet, but that's truthandliberty.net or the Andrew Wommack Ministries website, which is awmi.netmhm.
Alex McFarland: you know, before the break we were talking about HB 1312 and you know, I was reading about it earlier and we've come up with just some crazy words like dead naming. I mean, and when you know someone, for instance, there's a lot of spiritual implications. I mean, look, there are some things about our life that we just can't choose. When we were born, where ah, we were born, our gender, male or female. I mean, there's just some things about life that the dear Lord chose on our behalf. legal considerations aside, Richard, what do you think the spiritual implications are that people essentially are saying, no, God cannot call the shots. God nor anyone else can label anything about me. I was born a male. I'll identify differently. You know, I mean, aren't there spiritual implications when people want to be just militantly autonomous?
Jeff Chamblee: Well, absolutely. You know, at its core, it's a rebellion. It's a rebellion against God, against his created order. And they want to take their own desire for rebellion and require the entire world to comply with it, to conform to their rebellion, even though their rebellion has no basis in reality. You know, gender now to these folks, is not, gee, do you. You know, do you have an X, Y or an XX chromosome? No, it's, how do you feel on the inside? Do you want to be a woman? Do you want to be a man? How do you feel? And who do you, feel at home with, really? a subjective feeling that could change with the wind, you know, And. But as long as I feel that way, the entire world has to go along with my delusion. It's. It's literally insanity. And, you know, there was a bombing that took place at a, fertility clinic. Not an abortion clinic, a fertility clinic out in California a few weeks ago. And the young man that, that was killed in the bombing and that, allegedly did it, my understanding is that he believed that, people needed to have a choice, had the right to choose whether to be born.
Alex McFarland: I remember that. And, you know, I had been out to California to preach. I know. I know the place in Palm Springs where that bombing took place. And sadly, the young man, either committed suicide or he himself died in the blast that he caused. But I remember in his manifesto, he said that it is wrong for children to be born, conceived and born without their consent. And I'm thinking, okay, that doesn't even make sense, does it?
Jeff Chamblee: No, it's. It's more of this sort of insanity. The, you know, the further man gets away from God, the more deluded, deceived and divorced from true reality he becomes. God, of course, is truth and the author of truth. And, you know, ever since the Garden of Eden, the question has been, who's to say? Who gets to say what is right and wrong and true? And deep in our flesh is this desire to be the ones on the throne, to get to say what's right, wrong and true. And whether we get to do it or not. and when that rebellion. The more freedom we give to that, the more death and destruction comes about. And we've got to stand our ground on this thing, we've got to be bold and unashamed. We, have the winning side of this argument now and forever, and we should not be ashamed of it. God made us male and female, and he's ordained that for a purpose and for a reason. And we need to be teaching people to celebrate their sexual, you know, how God made them, their sexual identity, their true, objective sexual identity. If you're not comfortable in that, for whatever reason, maybe you've been abused, maybe you've been neglected, maybe you were mistreated, or maybe you've just been lied to by the culture. You know, God offers redemption. He offers deliverance. Jesus said that whoever abides in my word, word shall be my disciple indeed, and he shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8, 31 and 32. And as the church, we are responsible for ministering that truth in love to this, to the people. And, that's what we've got to do today.
Richard Berman: I believe the United States Supreme Court will strike down HB 1312
Alex McFarland: Richard, legally, as an attorney, do you. Do you think HB 1312 would be legally enforced? I mean, do you see people being prosecuted for, misgendering someone? Here's, a man in a dress, who identifies as a female. But I say, excuse, me, sir. I mean, do you really think legally that could stand to. To prosecute people that misgender or dead, name someone?
Jeff Chamblee: Well, it shouldn't stand. it probably will stand up in Colorado courts, even all the way to the Colorado Supreme Court, because they've upheld similar stuff in the past. They thought it was just fine to prosecute Jack Phillips, and the owner of 303, video. They'll probably do the same with this one. But I believe that ultimately the United States Supreme Court and any honest judge that interprets its precedent, would strike down this law because it's a blatant violation of the First Amendment, of the United States Constitution. And, it should be invalidated.
Alex McFarland asks attorney Richard Harris about immutable characteristics
Alex McFarland: folks, tune in because, I've got a couple of questions to ask attorney Richard Harris. And I think they could be profoundly beneficial. And here is a question. And, Richard, I think you'll instantly know why I'm asking the questions I'm asking, but would you define the word immutable in terms of our U.S. constitution declaration, Bill of Rights, immutability regarding human beings? What does immutable mean?
Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, well, immutable, of course, that word itself is not in the Constitution. But what you're driving at there, I think, Alex, is The idea that an immutable characteristic means an unchanging one, one that cannot be altered, a person's race cannot be altered, a person's God given gender cannot be altered. And as a result of that, because we're all created equal, these should not be, grounds for discrimination in public life. You shouldn't be able to discriminate against, a person because of their race or because of their ancestry or because of the nation that they come from. They can't control these things. And by and large these things are irrelevant anyway. And so because we believe in the equality of all people, that's morally wrong when it comes to gender stuff. And I include the whole panoply here from sexual orientation. You know, that was the first one. That was the first one. And now it's not just sexual orientation, it's gender identity and gender expression and, and and there's another one in the mix somewhere. I don't remember what exactly it is. But now all these layer upon layer of perversions are being added which are not immutable. This is a core issue of the debate. Are these things immutable characteristics? Well, the, the, the, the homosexual community, they want to say, yeah, they're immutable. I was born gay. I'm sorry. Spiritually and biblically, that is absolutely not true. But even scientifically that's not true. most people that experience same sex attraction or even gender confusion in their youth will grow out of it by the time they're in their mid-20s. They processed and dealt with those contrary, feelings and are living relatively normal and healthy lives. and even in the case where people are still experiencing those feelings well into adulthood, and I acknowledge those are real, those exist, that is an issue. It breaks my heart that people have to suffer like that. But there is still the opportunity for freedom and change because the problem is not biological. The problem is in the mind. And it's how we think. And these people have been traumatized. Actually they're victims of trauma, for the most part. And the trauma can be healed by the love and the truth of God. And, and to tell us, for the courts and lawmakers in this country to say, you cannot offer that truth you like, in Colorado now it's against the law to counsel people who want to get out of same sex attraction. They call it, they call it conversion, conversion therapy. That's unconstitutional as well. How can you ban that? You're saying we cannot help people who want to get out of this that's insane. but that's where they are. They want to lock down and mandate their ideology on everybody. And we're just not going to have it. we're not going to submit to that.
Alex McFarland: you're listening to attorney Richard Harris. Alex McFarland here on the American Family Radio Network. Richard, I've interviewed as recently as within the last month. I've interviewed former, ah, homosexuals, former transgender people who lived, the transgender lifestyle. I've never met like a former Hispanic or a former Caucasian. so ethnicity is not the same as behavior, is it?
Jeff Chamblee: Well, no, absolutely not. And ethnicity is, yeah, it's, it's not, it's not even a legitimate basis for choosing whether to offer a service or to include someone in your circle of influence or anything else like that. That's, that' wrong. When it comes to gender, on the other hand, there are many occasions where that person doesn't belong. Like for example, a, ah, boy should not be in girls locker rooms. A boy should not play in girls sports. there are times when men need to be separated from women for various reasons. and that is just common sense, Alex. And I'll take it a step further. I've never seen a boy become a girl either. What we're seeing today is boys pretending to be girls and girls pretending to be boys. Even if they have surgery and hormone therapy, they're still the gender they were born with. Because, at this point, science can't go into every single cell of your body and change the chromosomes to be male or female. you're made male and female. And it affects many functions of the human body, not just the external appearances or the sexual anatomy. So what we're doing is m, we're chopping up our kids is what we're doing and making them look like another gender. But it's all a fake. It's all a ruse. It's not real. And we can't abide by this any longer.
Alex McFarland: Okay, A week ago I was talking to. I'm not going to name the school, I'm not going to name the students because this is real. And I do not want to cause trouble, but, one of the most well known medical schools, schools in America. Everybody listening would know this medical school, three students. There was a class on gender affirming care. It was taught by an instructor with purple, ah, hair in a bun. It was a male dressed as a female. And out of a classroom of nearly four dozen medical students, three, said, you know, how do we administer medical care to patients that don't have the bodily organs corresponding to what they're asking for? And should we let the patient chart the course of care rather than the doctor? Well, they were sent to the dean of the medical school and had to write papers apologizing for asking questions. When we come back, we're going to talk with attorney Richard Harris. We'll take phone calls as well. if you want to call in, it's 888-5898-840885-89840. How our nation must have the courage and the presence of mind to speak truth. Common sense truth. Stay tuned. More on the American Family Radio Network after this brief break.
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Alex McFarland: Alex McFarland here talking with Richard Harris. spirit of full disclosure, Richard has been a friend for nearly a decade. We are colleagues. We both have the privilege of teaching at Charis Bible College. I've had the privilege for a number of years of teaching apologetics, biblical worldview, and then in the School of Practical Government, which is part of a third year program. And, it's just phenomenal. It really is.
Tell us about your school of practical government and where people can find you
And, Richard, before we, I've got so many questions I want to ask you and maybe some of the listeners do as well. But, again, tell us about truth and Liberty, where people can watch truth and Liberty, the School of Practical Government, people like David Barton and Bill Federer and just some of the great leaders of our time, speak out there in Woodland Park, Colorado. But just, give us a couple of websites and tell us about where people can find you, Richard.
Jeff Chamblee: Well, thanks, Alex. Yeah, we, I've known you since we started practical government school and we're now I think next year will be the 10th year of it. And wow, it's been just phenomenal. And you're, you're, I think you teach more courses than any other individual in pgs and you do such an amazing job and we just love you man. And But yeah, so Truth and Liberty, folks can find us on the web@ah, truthandliberty.net and our show that we do twice a week, Wednesdays and Fridays at 6pm Mountain time. So 8pm Eastern. You can watch it live on our, on our [email protected] or on another website that the ministry hosts called gtn.com gospel truth network. you can catch our show there at the same time and many other other programs on gtn, great Bible teaching. But the Truth and Liberty show also is on all your favorite social media platforms. I say all of them. you know, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, what's the one for the young people? I always forget that one. but yeah, but we're there. Yeah, the one that almost got banned. but tick tock. yeah, tick tock. So I don't know.
Alex McFarland: You're on that too.
Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, so we're all over the place and our audience is growing and it's going great. And we also on our website, I want to mention we have a resources center, Alex, that's one of a kind. Took us quite a while to build it, but we've got hundreds of resources on there. Everything from training materials on how to run for office, a voting resources center and a pastor's toolkit. and it's searchable by subject matter and other things. Encourage everybody to check that out. the Practical Government School, as you said, is in the third year for it's a third year program at Charis Bible College. Charis is based in Woodland Park, Colorado. it's an arm of Andrew Wommack Ministries and we have 1,000 students on campus here in Woodland Park. the third year has multiple schools. I think there are seven schools including Practical Government School that train students in the areas that God's called them to. so business, worship, ministry. our mission school is called Global Outreach and Practical Government among others. And so we are equipping students to engage the realm of government with a biblical worldview, with an understanding of America's Christian Heritage. I think the students that graduate from our school, Alex, will know the US Constitution better than almost any member of Congress. In fact, I guarantee that to be true. Not every member, but almost every member better than most judges, even and most attorneys. And also we'll acquire practical skills like you know, you teach public speaking for us, how to handle a hostile media interview, we have former congressman, teachers on how to run for office and many, many other amazing courses. So I am a real believer in the program and if anybody wants to learn more, they can check it out on charisbiblecollege.org they can look up the third year program and find practical government school there. Charisbiblecollege.org well, thank you Richard.
Alex McFarland: Thank you very much.
Richard McGraw: Medical school had mandatory class on gender affirming care
Before the break, I was telling you about a student that is in medical school, I'm not going to say who, not going to say where, they had a class that was mandatory on gender affirming care. Now the particular instructor don't know if it even was a full out professor. It was an outside instructor. they said it was clearly a male but dressed as a female, purple, hair up in a, in a man bun. But three students out of a class of about 40 said well how do we administer treatment for a patient relative to organs the patient doesn't possess? and the other area of conversation was, you know, as doctors, once we become doctors, should we allow the patient to mandate a course of treatment that we don't feel like is medically responsible because you know, generally, you know, the medical professional, the doctor charts the course of treatment. Well, long story short, and as this particular medical student was telling me this, the person was visibly upset, said we three students were sent to the dean of the medical school. We were strongly reprimanded. we had insulted the instructor and bullied the instructor and this person said we did not. We were very respectful. We just were basically saying look, shouldn't we give medical care that is commensure it with the person's gender? We all three were made to write papers. They told me, apologizing, saying we won't do this again and we in the future will go along with the gender guidelines that this medical school has embraced. There's just so many things in my mind that are wrong with this and this is like psychological conditioning. But Richard, where's it going to stop when basically human biology and common sense say look, there's truth and reality, there's delusion and Misinformation. I mean, aren't we on egregiously dangerous ground when even doctors in training are being coerced to go along with what we know is false?
Jeff Chamblee: You're right. It's more. It's just another manifestation of the thought and speech control coming from the woke ideologues on the left, especially the LGBT movement. I, was just watching a documentary last night, Alex, on Communist China and the stories of people who have dared to speak out against, the regime and criticize the government for various things and how they suddenly will disapp sometimes never to be seen again, sometimes to re. Emerge years later where their businesses are taken or they're forced to confess to crimes against the state and apologize for their errors. you know, there's no difference between what these med students just were put through and how Communist China deals with dissent. And they weren't even. These students, based on what you're saying, weren't even dissenting. They were just asking responsible questions based on their understanding of medical science and their potential duties that they're going to be acquiring for themselves as doctors. There's a movement out right now fighting against this whole crazy transgenderism thing called do no Harm. Family Policy alliance, has that name on it, and there are others, Dr. Morel and so forth. because this transgender medical treatment, it is not really medicine, is it? It's not trying to fix a medical problem or provide health for someone. No, it's, mutilating the human body, making it operate contrary to its design in order to placate, a delusion that the patient has. Well, it is irresponsible for a doctor to go along with that. it's an abuse of his privileges, and it does harm the individual. These folks who go through gender therapy, transition, they are permanently sterilized, brother. They will never again. Even if they recover from their delusion, they will never have the opportunity to bear children. They will never function properly. They'll never have, you know, normal, levels of hormones and m. All the other functions that go along. I might be mistaken on the normal level thing, but, you know, it's a terrible thing. And the d. Transitioners out there, people need to watch those testimonies. They're heartbreaking.
Alex McFarland: There really are. And suicidal, ideation, thoughts of suicide, self harm, attempted suicide, are exponentially higher in the lives of the people that have tried to transition to a different gender. And so, you know, I remember Dr. Phil was just eviscerated in the media several years ago. But Phil McGraw, Dr. Phil, he said, these people with transgender, inclination, they don't need surgery, they need counseling. And, I mean, he was. But he was right. He was right.
Richard Harris: LGBT movement wants to eliminate notion of immutable characteristics
So, I've got a question. I'm so privileged, I want to say thank you for making time to be with us. so I was doing research for the program today, Richard Attorney, Richard Harris, and I found a paper from the Yale Law Review. It was from 2016, and it was an article titled Against Immutability. Against Immutability. And it basically was talking about that. It was encouraging people, lawyers, attorneys, and I would assume, students at Yale Law School to, reconsider the idea of immutable characteristics. And it just said, with the advent of, gay LGBT considerations, we realize that immutable characteristics, don't tell the whole story. And we've always understood the Constitution in terms of immutable rights. But let's read. And I'm sorry, it was Harvard Law Review, not Yale. It was Harvard Law Review, but we've got to, ah, now look at the Constitution against immutability. What are your thoughts on that sort of, position, Richard?
Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, and I think I understand what you're saying. The. The idea there is, originally, civil rights law, came about from a recognition that certain differences among human beings, external differences and the like, are not really the valid base, a valid basis for discriminating against people in different areas because they can't do anything about those differences, for one thing, and for another thing, they're irrelevant. and so, immutable characteristics were all created equal and entitled to the equality under the law. And so we shouldn't allow discrimination in the law based on immutable characteristics like race, or sex, for that matter. But always in the law, when it comes to sex, there has been some discrimination allowed. What I mean by that is there are occasions where the sex of an individual is relevant to the actions of the government or to the actions of a business, for example, and so on. Like letting women into men's bathrooms and vice versa and this sort of thing. and so some level of discrimination, all discrimination means is applying a different, standard. Okay, so you're discriminatory, okay, in your decision making. to completely obliterate or remove immutability as an element in deciding whether a class of people have a civil rights claim based on discrimination is cutting the rope that ties us to the dock. Right? We will then be floating out in the ocean. on what basis do we believe that the Discrimination should be unlawful. It's nothing more than the desire of the people that have, whatever the characteristic is, to be treated equally. But there may be on the other side many or other reasons or compelling reasons for the discrimination. But see, the LGBT movement especially wants to eliminate all that because really, what they're trying to do is they're trying to make homosexuality and all forms of sexual, related thinking, perversion and conduct. They want it to remove it from the realm of m. They don't want it to be a moral or religious question anymore. They want it solely to be a matter of choice and preference that no one can challenge and no one can speak against. Okay? And, that's where they want to go. And so that's why they want to sever the tie. They want to get rid of the immutability question. Because morally speaking, who you have sex with, is a matter of choice and conduct and for which you are responsible. and it is a moral question. We cannot, as human beings, say that sex is an amoral issue. It is a moral issue, and God has established the standards for it. He's our creator and our designer, and we need to follow those standards. And, the left and the LGBT movement, they want to silence that discussion. They don't want it to even happen anymore.
Alex McFarland: So the gay marriage decision of 2015 and other like legislation is vastly different from the civil rights legislation of the 1960s, isn't it?
Jeff Chamblee: Well, it is. Because to say that a man has a right to marry a man, you have to believe that that right exists because, homosexuality or same sex attraction, a sexual preference, is immutable.
Alex McFarland: Hey, Richard, Forgive me. We're almost m out of time.
Jeff Chamblee: You're born gay, so it's wrong for us to.
Alex McFarland: We're out of time. Sir Richard Harris, thank you and thanks for listening. Alex McFarland saying thank you for listening to the American Family Radio Network. Blessings to all.
Jeff Chamblee: The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.
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