Hamilton: God has called us to be his ambassadors even in this dark moment
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Darkness is not an affirmative force. It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
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>> Abraham Hamilton III: It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite, delivering people.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Out of the bondage of mainstream media and the philosophies of this world.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: God has called you and me to be his ambassadors, even in this dark moment. Let's not miss our moment.
Many of you are making transition from part time jobs to full time jobs
>> Abraham Hamilton III: And now, the, Hamilton Corner.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Good evening everyone. Welcome to the Hamilton Corner. My name is Abraham Hamilton iii. I am the host of the program. Thank you for tuning in to the show. At this very moment, many of you, if not most of you, are making your transition from your part time jobs where you generate an income to your full time jobs where you cultivate an outcome. And as you do so, I want to remind you to do it with intentionality. yes, I'm the host of the program, joined by the real J. Mac, producer extraordinaire. Often imitated, never duplicated. but I remind you daily about the transition from your part time jobs to your full time jobs in an effort to recalibrate our thought processes so that we can place significance and importance where it rightly belongs. You know, our world works overtime to cause us to embrace the idea that what we do to generate income is what's full time. Not recognizing that outcome cultivation should be our continue, continued and enduring commitment. Every believer is called to be a part of the Great Commission's execution. Being born again is something that God makes available to us, not merely for our own personal benefit. I know there is great personal benefit, of course. but if the Lord has saved you and you're still breathing his oxygen on this side of eternity, that reality exists because he expects you and me to be a part of his remnant of commission fulfillers. That's just a simple, simple, simple truth. And so we must commit ourselves to, endeavoring to fulfill that function on a regular and a daily basis. Income generating is an important function that we have. You know, I'm a father, I keep saying this. I have six children and man, y' all won't believe this. All six of them jokers eat every day. They eat every, they don't, they don't take breaks. I was telling them other day, hey, this is an off day for your stomach. This, you know, like the NBA. This, what do you call it? Load management. Your tummy needs some load management. They go, daddy, now y' all know I'm playing. but the income generation is a vital component of what we do. But it is not synonymous with our identities. And if we allow that to encroach upon our mentality, we could be twisted into a wrong way of thinking. Simply put, what goes on in your house is far more important than what goes on in the White House. Guys, that's just. That's the fact. What goes on in your house is more important. Not because the things that happen in the White House are unimportant. No, they are important. But you and I are not directly engaged and involved in those. Consequently, we are not directly responsible for all the decisions that are done at that level. But guess what? We are directly responsible for what happens in our homes. So as you are making your transition, I invite you to embrace my admonishment. You literally have the opportunity to form the future. You literally have the opportunity to. To shape our national future. You have an opportunity to participate in that. And so I would encourage you to take it, take it seriously, and respond appropriately.
Now, uh, I want to have a conversation today about Hamas and Israel
Now, I want to have a conversation today, because several things that are happening all around the world. the. With, you know, the end of the war in Gaza, only to be followed by Hamas, not immediately putting the weapons down, but exacting revenge on people who they deem to be traitors because you had some brave Gazans who would dare stand up against the brutality of the murderous terrorists that are Hamas. But then we had things happening in our own country. And, you know, sometimes people don't get into the details, but it's important to note that Hamas was the Shiite front for Iran. That is the particular Islamist ideology that the Iranians adhere to. And Hamas was funded, funded and trained by Iran. They were the Shiite presence, that terrorized Israel. And while that is happening right. While that was happening right in our own country, you had the mayor of Dearborn, Michigan, to tell a Christian resident and citizen that he wasn't welcome. What is happening in our own country? We had Operation Twin Shield that was just, executed in the St. Paul, Minneapolis area that resulted in evidence, according to the reports, that nearly 50% of all migrants in the area were. Had committed some form of immigration fraud there. They are considering electing, a Muslim mayor. Y' all know I called the Minneapolis O. Omar Fatah. You have Zoron Mamdani in. In New York. New Yorkers are considering him to be the next mayor. These things are happening in our own show. What sure is what. What's going on here. And. And I want to be specific in what I'm talking about. This is the same Zoram On Dani, I played a clip this week where he refused to call for Hamas to lay down their arms, although he had no problem tweeting that Americans needed to be deprived of the right to keep and bear arms. All Americans, all guns should be banned in all America. That's what he tweeted in 2022. Had no problem calling for Americans to lay down their arms, but had a problem saying Hamas should. What is going on? To the word of God we go first Chronicles, chapter 12. This is the scripture that kind of frames. Frames my thought on this point. First Chronicles, chapter 12, verses 32 and 33. We've talked about this passage before. This is at a pivotal time in Israel's history. This text comes to us at a pivotal time in Israel's history. And I feel like I sneeze every day, every time I come on there. This is at the time where Israel literally had to decide whether or not they were going to follow the will of God, frankly, and have David as king over, all of Israel, or whether they would continue in a divided fashion. Because at this juncture, you had the northern tribes, if you will, that were loyal to the house of Saul initially, and then you had, Judah and southern tribes that were loyal lo loyal to David. but it came to a point to where they were potentially about to go into civil war to determine who actually would be Israel's king prospectively. And that is the context and backdrop that this passage that these two verses come to us from in 1st Chronicles, chapter 12, verses 32 and 33. That is where we get the text that reads of Issachar, men who had understanding of the times to know what Israel ought to do. 200 chiefs and all their kinsmen under their Command of Zebulun. 50,000 seasoned troops equipped for battle with all the weapons of war to help David with singleness of purpose. I could throw in there. Look at verse 31 where it says of the half tribe of Manasseh 18,000 who were expressly named to come and make David king. You see, this is the backdrop of the passage that we're discussing. But it says of Issachar, there were men who had understanding of the times. So that's one component. Men who had understandings of the times. And you have the second component. And to know what Israel ought to do.
Joseph Parker: Do we truly understand the times that we're living in
This passage provoked my thinking in this regard. Do we truly understand the times that we're living in currently? Really do. Do we understand the times that we're living in? Do we recognize what's going on? Do we recognize how we got here. Do we understand the various ideologies that were. That were proliferated by men who have long been dead? Now, you know, there's several books. seven Men who Rule the World from the grave. You know, 21 men who, Ruled the World from the Grave. These ideologies. This is why scripture says that we cast down vain imaginations. Well, first it says the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but they're mighty. They're divinely powerful. To the stronghold pulling down of strongholds casting down vain imaginations, vain logismaults that would dare erect itself against the knowledge of Christ. Pernicious ideology continues to bear rotten fruit. Do we understand, you know, the economic philosophies of people like John Maynard Keynes? And we talk a lot on this program about Moses Mordecai Marks Levy, but he's not the only one. You know, you have the ideologies of the Huxley brothers, you know, Aldous Huxley, you know, the. George Orwell was. His was another's pen name. Do we understand these ideologies? There is a pernicious effort that is certainly discussed in the terrorist realms about using America's liberties against us to infiltrate our own nation. And how do you get to a place where you have a city? According to the data, we have that as of 2023, the majority of the residents in Dearborn, Michigan are Muslim. How do you get to a place where you have a mayor who would tell a Christian resident and citizen that they're not welcome? Because this Christian citizen and resident had the audacity to say, you know what? I don't really like us renaming this street in the name of this journalist who celebrates terrorism. I don't think that's consistent with American values. I don't think that's something that I support. That's certainly not something that I support. And for in response to that statement, in a public setting, the mayor says, you are not welcome here when you move. Not if. When you move, I'm gonna throw a parade to celebrate your moving. Do we understand the times that we're living in? Do we understand the times I talked about the genocide that's happening in Nigeria that's been happening since 2009? Do you realize Boko Haram is attempting to establish a caliphate in Africa currently? That the murder that is taking place. Over 100,000 people have been killed from 2009 up to about August of, 2025. In 2025 alone, as of August, from January to August, over 7,000 Christians murdered for no reason other than the fact that they're Christian. Another 7,000 displaced moved from their homes. If you think about the coalescing of these details, guys, how long will it be before we have to ask questions about those types of things happening in our own country? Will we allow that to happen? You know, I'm not a, Michigan resident, so I had to look it up. But Dearborn, Michigan is right outside of Detroit. It's about a, 20 minute drive or so, depending on traffic and things of that nature. Outside of Detroit, 20 some odd miles away. What is happening to our country? And I am greatly concerned that we have kind of conditioned ourselves to look for political, judicial and legal responses to issues that are transpiring in our country. But we're not recognizing what God requires his church to do. The Lord said the church is the pillar and ground of truth. We have a vital role to play in contributing to and, creating the type of culture that is in our country. When I say we, I'm talking about Christ followers. But what is largely happening is a deficiency in the Great Commission being executed, unfortunately. I pray that the Lord would grace us with men who understand the times that we're living in. But not only that, but would know what we ought to do. Anchored by the love of God, eternity based and biblically fortified to engage for his glory.
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>> Abraham Hamilton III: The time you spend reading and meditating on the Word of God is extremely important. And it needs to be one of those habits that we establish every day of our lives.
>> Israel Wayne: Why?
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Because our connection to Jesus, a vital part of that is being in the Word of God continually. God literally pours grace into your life through His Word. And as you spend time in His Word, God's Word is working on you, molding, shaping you and blessing you in ways you and I don't fully comprehend. You're spending time in the presence of God when you're reading and meditating on, the Word of God. And that's one of the reasons why Satan fights the Word of God. The reading of God's Word in public or in private as much as he does. He recognizes the Word of God is Jesus and Jesus is the Word of God. When you're reading God's Word, God is talking to you.
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Abraham Hamilton III welcomes Israel Wayne to the Hamilton Corner
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner. Abraham Hamilton III here. I'm delighted to have on the program with me, a guest who is a friend, a brother in the faith, a man of God, a, bold warrior for Christ, willing to say the hard things, man, and to take the slings that flow from that I'm speaking none other than my brother Israel Wayne, who is an author, a conference speaker who has a passion for defending the Christian faith and promoting a biblical worldview. he is the site editor for ChristianWorldView.net and the founder of Family Renewal. And of his books, I just want to mention several of the books that he's written that have been blessings to untold thousands, if not more people. But my family in particular. Questions God Asks is one of his books. Questions Jesus Asks is one of his books. Another one? Pitching a Fit, Overcoming Angry and Stressed Out Parenting is another book. Education Does God have an Opinion is another book. Tremendous Blessing. I've recommended that book to our audience here numerous times before. another Answers for homeschooling. Top 25 questions critics ask. It's another one of his books, Raising Them Up. Parenting for Christians is another book he's written. Foundations in Faith is another book. It's one of the books that we've used to help to communicate a biblical worldview to, our own children. When I say we, I'm talking about Maria and myself, for our family. He's, also written Foundational Truths, which, is a wonderful, wonderful book. It's a modern catechism that will aid you in and establishing your children in the Christian faith and rearing them in the nurture and administer of, of the Lord and among all of those things. My brother is also a resident of the state of Michigan. Israel. Wayne, thank you for joining me here on the program.
>> Israel Wayne: Abe, it's always great to talk with you. I always enjoy it. Thank you.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Oh, man, it's, it's, it's a pleasure for me. It's always encouraging and strengthening, convicting. It's just, it's just, it's helpful all along. So I, I, I love to have you on as often as I can.
You have the end of the war in Israel, but Hamas continues fire
I wanted to have you on in particular because I've just, I've been, you know, stirred and troubled by things that are happening. Like you, you have the, the end of the war in Israel, sorry, in Gaza, that was announced, but that immediately was followed by Hamas coming out of the tunnels and executing people they say were collaborators, you know, with Israel. And I thought it was supposed to be ceasing fire, but their fire has continued, thereafter. You know, you have the right now, and a lot of people are talking about New York City, but you have, I call them Minneapolis. Omar Fatah, who's running for mayor in the Twin Cities area, that came on the back of Operation Twin Shield to where, based upon the reports by the federal law enforcement officials there, nearly half of the migrants in the area were alleged perpetrators of immigration fraud. And then you have, and I'm about to play a clip of this, the recent issue in Dearborn, Michigan, where the mayor told a citizen who, is purportedly a Christian, that because he dare publicly object to naming of streets after Osama Siblani, who is a reporter, and others who, according to the public information, that he kind of supports terrorism. And the citizens, like, I don't think we should name streets after this kind of guy. And the mayor, Dearborn's mayor, said, you are not welcome in this city. These kind of things have been percolating in my heart. And while we're watching, for example, the genocide that's transpiring right now in Nigeria, where over 100,000 Christians have been, killed since 2009 up to August of this year. These things are kind of coalescing in my mind and my heart. It's like, what is going on? There are things happening internationally, but the things happening domestically.
A clip of Dearborn's mayor telling Ted Barham he's not welcome
I want to first start our conversation by getting you to react, to this clip of Dearborn's mayor telling Ted Barham that he's not welcome in the city. CLIP 1 Jeff, go.
>> Israel Wayne: I mean Hezbollah, you know, bombed the embassy in Beirut, including many Americans.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: So I just feel it's quite inappropriate.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: You are an Islamophobe, and although you live here, I want you to know as mayor, you are not welcome here. And the day you move out of.
>> Jeff Chamblee: The city will be the day that I launch a parade celebrating the fact.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: That you moved out of the city because you are not somebody who believe in coexistence.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Wow. I mean, as a Christian, as a father, husband, and as a citizen of the state of Michigan, what's your reaction to that video?
>> Israel Wayne: Man, that didn't sound too tolerant. That didn't sound like coexist to me. I, I don't, I don't hear. I bet that guy doesn't have a coexist bumper sticker. yeah, that's that's Mayor Abdullah Hamoud, there of Dearborn. And you know, for people who don't know, Dearborn, is the western suburb of Detroit. It's just a little ways outside of downtown and it's one of the first suburbs that you come to if you head west out of Detroit. And has really had a long history of becoming Islamic and today is on par, you know, as far as population, population density of being, you know, getting close to, to the same kind of Muslim population of some of the Islamic countries in the Middle East. And so, it really is an amazing situation, there, but increasingly they're, they're making it clear that Christians are not welcome in Dearborn. At least not Bible believing evangelical Christians who will speak out about their faith.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: I want to dig into that a little bit and as what you can answer, I'm not asking you to do anything beyond what you have available and accessible to you. But when you say, Bible believing evangelical Christians that will actually believe, that actually believe the Bible and are willing to, and obey the Bible, they're increasingly unwelcome in Dearborn. how has that been demonstrated?
>> Israel Wayne: Yeah, well, you know, you, you have these ecumenical churches, you know, that are kind of the, the typical leadership that you find in A lot of these ecumenical city gatherings where you have the imam and the orthodox, leaders and the, the Roman Catholic priests, and they all sit up there and shake hands and talk about peace and love and, you know, all that kind of stuff. those kinds of things, ah, are, are allowed and, and you know, they're, they're allowed to exist in Dearborn as long as everybody keeps their faith very private. but historically, in Dearborn, within the last 15 years, if you go into the city evangelizing and proselytizing, as they call it, sharing your faith publicly, especially at Islamic events, there's, there's videos that you can search on YouTube and just type in Dearborn, Michigan, stoning. And you will see Christian, evangelists, who have been attempted to be stoned to death by mobs in Dearborn. and when the police come in, they basically threaten and warn the Christians to stay out of the city and to stop going in there evangelizing, because they know they're outnumbered. Right? And so there's, there's kind of a long history of how Islam has grown. And I'd be glad to get into that a little bit with the city of Dearborn, but it's gotten to the point now where, you know, 55% of the population of Dearborn is Muslim. And so the police have kind of allowed the city, Muslims to kind of regulate their own culture there. And so as long as they're kind of regulating the streets, the police kind of step back and allow that to happen. And so, yeah, if you go in there, especially at a Muslim holy week or something like that, you're very likely going to be arrested partly for your own safety, but warned not to go back in.
There are at least 55 mosques in the Detroit metro area
>> Abraham Hamilton III: I do want to get into that. I mean, because we've heard about these, you know, Islamic no go zones in the cities in the uk in certain cities in the uk, we've heard of those things. But for many people who are watching and listening now, this is the first they've ever heard of having, an American city that has become a no go zone for Christians, that there is a place in the land of the free and the home of the brave where Christians can't go and share their faith. would you share with us a bit about, basically the Islamization of Dearborn and including, really as much as we can, the particular theological inclination of the kind of Shiite presence in the city?
>> Israel Wayne: Yeah, so it really goes back to Henry Ford, who built the automobile, so he first Established his first manufacturing plant in Detroit in in Dearborn area about 1903. Started building the Model T in 1908. World War I was about 1914 to 1918. And in 1914 he established a dollar five a day hiring, policy where you could come work for him for $5 a day. That was a lot of money back in the beginning of World War I. And people were not doing well economically. And so that was a big draw. And that's when people first started coming from the Middle East. A lot of Arabs began moving to work for Henry Ford in Dearborn. The thing that's kind of a sad part of the history that, that a lot of people don't know is that Henry Ford was a very outspoken anti Semite. In fact, the year the World War I ended in 1918, he bought a Dearborn newspaper called the Dearborn independent. And from 1918 to like 1927, he ran that, that publication. They got sued for libel in 27, had to shut down. But particularly in like 1920 to 1922, he ran a series of anti Jewish, anti Semitic articles, that were talking about the international Jewish problem. And and this is not conspiracy theory, this is widely acknowledged. in fact, if you look at the Henry Ford Museum, which is in Detroit, their website has a whole article about it. Like they're very public about this is kind of a, a sad part of his history that people don't know. And so this anti Semitic culture that he created where he would, would try not to hire Jews, he would discriminate against them in the employment process, created a culture within Dearborn that was conducive to, to being anti Semitic. in fact, even The Nazis in 1938 gave Henry Ford an award, for being, you know, this forward thinking person and so forth. So there's kind of a sordid anti Semitic basis for why so many of these Arabs came to the Detroit area. but of course, you know, they're looking for jobs. There was a lot of unrest, you know, in different places, a lot of, of internal, even Islamic civil war that's happening in different countries. 19, 38 was when they built the first Islamic center in Dearborn. And that, that Islamic presence has spread really rapidly even in the last 30 years to where now in the Detroit metro area. There's at least 55 different Islamic centers and mosques in the Detroit metro area. so it is increasingly dominant, you know, and you had these waves of Immigration that came in 19, 67 when the Israeli Palestinian conflict happened. There was like a Lebanese civil war. you had, you know, these different waves of, of immigration that took place. 1975, there was a Lebanese civil war. but then another thing that happened during the 60s and 70s, particularly the 70s, is as manufacturing began to cool. you have what's called white flight from the city of Detroit, where white, Caucasian families left downtown inner city Detroit, went to a lot of the, northern, somewhat western suburbs, and settled in this, in the cities. And so in the 1970s, moving forward, that created a situation where you had gangs that began to form, in Detroit. And so people became very concerned about gang warfare, that type of thing. 1990, the first city, council Arabic, city councilwoman was elected, in Dearborn. And so they started to actually get a voice in the government starting in 1990. And it was really, the 1990s, the 2000s was when the gang activity was probably the strongest. And increasingly. And it's hard to, it's hard to say this out loud because there's two narratives. There's the official narrative that you look up and then there's the Michigan narrative. So when you live in Michigan and you talk to people in Michigan and we kind of know how things go, you know, you'll get in a narrative. But then if you go look at the filtered narrative through the media, you get a different narrative. So.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Well, we want the real Michigan narrative.
>> Israel Wayne: Here's the Michigan narrative. If you ask Google is there Sharia law in Dearborn, Michigan, it will say no, there is no kind of Sharia law that happens in Dearborn, Michigan. In, in many ways that's true, but there is a, an increasingly functional law type of Sharia law that happens that's not official. so an example of this would be that as of this month, as of October 2025, you, get five calls to prayer per day in Dearborn over the mega speakers, the loudspeakers at these Islamic centers. and the, the first one starts.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: At 5:30am we played audio of citizens in the area complaining about it violating the noise ordinances.
>> Israel Wayne: And it does violate the noise ordinance. From 10, 10pm 7:00am you are not supposed to have any kind of noise. So during the day there's questions about decibel level, is it too loud? You know, some of that's questionable. But this 5:30am complete violation of city ordinance, no questions about it. And yet it happens. And that's what I'm saying there's a functional Sharia that happens in Dearborn. You know, the aspect of, you know, if you Google and say, are Christians being arrested for evangelizing in Dearborn, Google's going to tell you no, functionally, yeah, it happens. And so there's a sense in which they have increasingly gained power and, and crime, particularly gang crime, dropped really dramatically in like the 2010s and forward. In fact, I've read some articles that say that they, that they have violent crime that's decreased at about a 7% per year rate in recent years in Dearborn. Why is that? Well, that's because the Muslims are policing themselves and the, the official police kind of step back and they let the, the powers that be, the Muslim powers that be in the city kind of police themselves. And so Dearborn in the 2010s and 2020s, they start pushing the gang activity back into downtown Detroit. And so it became something that was a bit of a, handshake deal, if you will. Again, this is not official. You're not going to find any official publications that tell you this. I'm just saying this is Michigan word on the street. When you live here, you know how this goes down, that they're basically like, hey, look at the results. You know, city crime's gone down, gang activities gone down. Dearborn, is within its own structure, its own kind of Islamic structure. It's kind of policing. They're policing their own streets.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Let me break in here because the disrespectful music is started. We have to take a break. But what you're describing is a de facto Sharia, as opposed to a dour Sharia.
>> Israel Wayne: Correct.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: And that the handshake deal is, well, you guys got rid of the gang, so we'll kind of let you run your own kind of Islamic fiefdom and will wink and will nod. It's not official Sharia, but as you said, it's a functional Sharia. And Michiganders understand that.
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Israel Wayne: What's happening in Michigan is nowhere near what official narrative is
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton III here my guest is Israel Wayne, author, conference speaker, founder of Family Renewal. You can find his books, his speaking schedule. You can find all of that [email protected] you can also find a speaking schedule in particular, by going to Israel wayne.com this brother is a blessing to the body of Christ. Before we went to the break, Israel, you were sharing that you know, you have the official narrative. But people who live in Michigan, they know that what's happening in Dearborn for example is nowhere near what the official narrative is. So I want to invite you to continue your explanation in that regard.
>> Israel Wayne: Yeah, well, there's another city on the east side of Detroit. So if you leave Detroit proper and you go east, like one of the first cities that run into is a little town called hamtrak. It's only 20,000 population, you know, Dearborn's about 105,000 today, something like that. So it's much smaller. But they estimate that the Islamic population of Hamtrak might actually be up to 60%, you know, whereas Dearborn is about 55% Hamtrack because they have these Bangladeshi and Yemeni, immigrants that have moved there might be 60%. And so an example of kind of a soft Sharia is if you Go to downtown Ham Track, you're not going to find Burger King and Wendy's and these kind of food establishments. it's halal food.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah.
>> Israel Wayne: So it's law approved foods that don't include pork and so forth. Those are the businesses that are going to be able to thrive in the area because of the population that they serve. And so what happens is culturally, there's, there's a functionality, type of Islam and Sharia that begins to to pervade. And so they often talk about how Detroit is a great melting pot. But, but I'll tell you what, there are these imams who are not tolerant. I will say this, we should be very careful to say this. A lot of people fled to Detroit area to flee Islamic persecution.
>> Israel Wayne: You know, they lived in these, these places where they lived under that totalitarian regime of Islamo fascism, kind of like Hamas. They didn't like it. Yeah, they didn't like it. They didn't want it. They got away from it. Right. But there are a lot of imams who have this extremist rhetoric. in fact in September there was this ah, rally that happened in Dearborn where you know, 40,000 people got together, to celebrate an Islamic festival. And and there were chants, last year at a festival of death to Israel, Death to America, in 2024. And you know, there's this extremist rhetoric that goes out at some of these very large Islamic gatherings. And the imams will not only not condemn it, they sort of tacitly support it. And some of them very openly and overtly, support it. And so it's scary, you know, when you see 40,000 people gathered and they're angry and they're shouting death to America, Death to Israel. within our own American soil, that becomes very disturbing. It's very problematic.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: And that's why I wanted to have this conversation. because I've had people on. I, forgot the sister's name. She's been on the show. She often talks about, it doesn't take a majority to be terrorists. It doesn't take a majority. It's always the minority that pushes in that particular direction. And you have the effort to establish Epic City in North Dallas, that they come outright. They want this to be a Muslim city, a Muslim neighborhood. And you have Governor Abbott in Texas stepping in at a relatively late stage in that development. But it is concerning when you see what's happening contemporarily and then if you have any awareness of studying history when you see. Well, when you have a kind of a Muslim population established, it's peaceful initially, but there's a progression that is kind of a radicalization progression. And then next thing you know, there's a Hamas type effort happening in a locale. And so my concern is, are we witnessing a similar phenomenon happening right here in our own nation? We mentioned Dearborn, we mentioned Hamtrack.
>> Israel Wayne: We are, we are Minneapolis. Absolutely. All of it. Yeah. And, you know, you look at Detroit, they have 15 to 20 Islamic schools for K12. and in these schools, I mean, they are teaching Islamic religion, culture. and the influence of evangelical Christians is just diminishing and diminishing. I mean, there are only a handful of evangelical. A handful more evangelical Christian schools in the Detroit suburbs and Detroit area than there are, Islamic K12 schools. And so, you know, these are immensely problematic issues.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Wow. Wow. Something we have not touched on yet. And if you want to go here now, what is the influence of the Nation of Islam in this area?
>> Israel Wayne: Yeah, so they have their annual Savior's Day convention often in Detroit. The Last one in 2024 had over 20,000 attendants. And what, I think a lot of blacks don't understand about Nation of Islam is that, Islam traditionally is not the friend of the black person. for a lot of African Americans, they've never studied the Arabic slave trade.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah.
>> Israel Wayne: And you can just Google that and you'll be surprised what history you didn't get in the public school.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Well, it's a fact that the European slave traders learned the trade from the Arab slave traders. I mean, it is a fact. That is the trans Saharan slave trade is what precipitated the transatlantic slave trade. That's just, that's just, that's an objective fact of history.
>> Israel Wayne: Absolutely. Yeah. And it was much more brutal. The Arabic slave trade was far more brutal than the European slave trade. You know, not that any slavery is good. Right. But comparatively, it was worse. And so these black, Americans are being co opted by the Nation of Islam and believing that somehow Islamic is fundamentally sympathetic to black people. It is not.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: It's not true.
>> Israel Wayne: it is absolutely false. And so Louis Farrakhan and Nation of Islam, why they've succeeded in Detroit is because of the failure of the black church in Detroit to be masculine. M. I just said that on the radio.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Unpack that. Israel.
>> Israel Wayne: But basically what's happened is you have an emasculated, prosperity, gospel driven, church, you know, in Detroit. I'm not saying every Church. But I'm saying on the. The average, young men don't want to join those churches. Church is full of grandmas and mamas.
Nation of Islam has been very successful in cities like Detroit, Indianapolis
There's nothing masculine or male about it. And so what they've seen in the Nation of Islam is they've seen a culture where they're taught respect, they're taught discipline, they're taught order, regimentation, and it appeals to a lot of the young black males. And so Nation of Islam has been very successful in cities like Detroit, Indianapolis, other places like that. And, and so they have been growing, whereas the American evangelical black church has been decreasing. And it's because we have gotten away from the gospel and have preached a soft gospel or a prosperity gospel that is not selling to young males today. And, you know, we have, have seen the bright breakdown of the black family in Detroit. And so you don't have strong father, led family culture that is, you know, one of the strongest pushbacks against gang activity, incarceration, all of those kinds of things. And the, American Christian church has not been the prophetic voice that we've needed to be calling men to manhood. And so things have come in and filled that void. and unfortunately, you know, you have whole generations of. Of black Americans who have been targeted by groups like Planned Parenthood, you know, just trying to kill off the black culture. And you've done shows on Margaret Sanger before the eugenics movement that was an intentional part of Planned Parenthood was killing off black families. And so, you know, the solution to this is that we have to have a return, of course, to biblical Christianity, to biblical family structure, and. And getting families to be, you know, solidified so that we, we teach our children the truth and don't just keep having our Christian church children converting over to Islam, because it looks m. And.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: I know you personally, so I know your heart. So when you say things like the, black church, you know as well as I know there's no black church or white church, but you're talking about the Church of the Living God in these urban areas that's predominantly populated, you know, by, you know, Americans of African ancestry. You know, that's right. That's just the reality, you know, and one of the major.
>> Israel Wayne: And there's some good ones.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah.
>> Israel Wayne: Oh, yeah, there's some good ones. So I want to be clear about that. I don't get phone calls from my friends in Detroit who say, hey, you just threw us under the bus. I wasn't talking about you.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: But it's the Hit dogs that holler.
Christian unwillingness to embrace God's design for the family is affecting every demographic
you mentioned about. And this is something that's infecting and affecting the body of Christ at large in every demographic, really, the unwillingness to embrace God's design for the family. One of the major things is fertility rates. You know, we've talked about on this show. The demographic winter, is exemplified by what's happening in Europe and Japan. But the same phenomenon is happening here. would you just speak a bit to, frankly, a rejection of a biblical worldview as it pertains to God's view of family and children in particular? Yeah.
>> Israel Wayne: When you look at the fertility rate in the United states as of 2024, it's 1.6. You have to have a 2.1 to sustain your population. It's the lowest fertility rate we've ever had in the United States. And you look among different demographic, groups. Among white, Caucasian, non Hispanic women, it's like 1.56. So it's lower than that. when you look at Muslim women in the United states, it's about 2.2. internationally, Muslim women are about 2.9, 3.1. And so Muslims are out populating, other demographic groups, Hispanic, Latino. birth rates are going down all around the world. but in the United States, there's so much, emphasis from UNESCO and UN on population control. They've really targeted a lot of Latin America countries. So population's going down there, but Islam is growing, and they know that population is a big part of how they grow their religion. So evangelical Christians have been part of the problem in slowing their birth rate. Now, thank God, I think that, it's about a 2.2 birth rate among evangelical Christian women. But still that's just like, what, that much above, the sustainability rate. And so, you know, we need to see, again, all Christian families, adhering to a biblical worldview as it relates to family structure and family culture. And churches are made up of families, but churches call families to be families. Churches teach families how to disciple their children, or they're supposed to. And, in general, the American church hasn't done that, and we're reaping the negative consequences.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah, I've talked about it before. One of the strangest things, and it still happens that as I travel with my wife and children. You've met my wife, you see, met my children. people want to segregate me from my children. oh, you sure you want to bring your children? Like, yes, I love my children and I want to worship the Lord with My children present. And it's like, oh, you sure you.
>> Jeff Chamblee: Want to do that?
>> Abraham Hamilton III: And it's like, yes, that. It's like a radical concept to say, listen, the Bible teaches that it's my job as my children's father to lead in evangelizing and discipling my own children. And the gasps I still get in different places, like, are you serious? Yes. But the lack of understanding that has contributed, in my view, to this kind of chasm that it seems, an Islamic disposition is seemingly infiltrating and supplanting here in our own nation.
>> Jeff Chamblee: Yeah.
>> Israel Wayne: And when you think about what sells right now among young males in particular in the United States, we have a resurgence of interest in Christianity among young Gen Z males. they want to get married, they want to have children, they're starting to go back to church. They have an interest in Christianity. It's growing. Among Gen Z males, it's decreasing, unfortunately among Gen Z females, which is sad. But these young men, they want something masculine. And so we have to, represent to this culture a masculine Christianity, which Christianity is, respectful of women. It is probably, it elevates women more than any other religion in the world. So it's not at the exclusion of women, but it's simply saying we need masculine women so that. Or masculine men so that we can protect our women.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah, I don't think we need masculine women.
>> Israel Wayne: Yeah, we don't need masculine women. We need masculine men so that we can protect our women and so that we can protect our families, and help them to thrive. And I think the American church has been afraid to say that. And you know, we, we've seen, the, you know, and again, going back to Detroit, I mean, hey, the white evangelical churches fled to the suburbs and abandoned the city. Abandoned it. And they don't go down there and they don't reach out. And they're not missional and they're not evangelistic. They are comfortably secluded and they're very wealthy, upper middle class suburban churches where they sing to the choir, you know. And the church as a whole has to do better. We have just not, as a church represented Christ well in the city of Detroit. And Islam, you know, they have filled that void. And that's to our shame. I mean, we have, I think the American church to blame for that. You know, the, both the suburban and urban churches have really failed there in different ways.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: So in sum, the, the, the only way forward really is to get back to, to Bible basics. but what used to be viewed as probably exclusively a foreign mission phenomenon. We now have a domestic application in places like you mentioned. Dearborn and Ham Track and. And. And Minneapolis and St. Paul and Indianapolis, and urban. Urban areas across the country, for sure. it seems simple, but that doesn't make it easy. Did I over. Did I oversimplify the remedy?
>> Israel Wayne: Well, Brother Andrew, who wrote the book God Smuggler, I heard him speak before he died, and he said, God will not allow this generation of Muslims to be unevangelized. You can either go to them, or God will bring them to you. He says if God brings it to you, you may not like how that looks in terms of how it changes your culture, but we have an opportunity, right?
