Hamilton: Be his ambassadors even in this dark moment
>> Frank Gaffney: Darkness is not an affirmative force. It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light. This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
>> Alex McFarland: It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite, delivering people.
>> Frank Gaffney: Out of the bondage of mainstream media and the philosophies of this world. God has called you and me to.
>> Alex McFarland: Be his ambassadors even in this dark moment. Let's not miss m our moment.
>> Frank Gaffney: And, now the Hamilton Corner.
Carl Kirby addresses spiritual skepticism that seems to be pandemic in our times
>> Alex McFarland: Well, good evening, folks. Alex McFarland here sitting in for attorney pastor, broadcaster Abe Hamilton III. This is the American Family Radio Network and I'm very honored to have you listening tonight. And we're going to talk about a number of topics, but broadly speaking I want to address really the spiritual skepticism that seems to be very, very, you know, pandemic in our times. and I want to get to the root of why so many younger skeptical, not only skeptical of the Bible, skeptical about the Lord Jesus, but even skeptical about morality and that that truth exists. And let me lay a little foundation about this, because, well, let me throw some names out here. Do you know who Pyro and, Carneades is? And Cicero and Arcesilis, you say? Who in the world are those people? Well, those were ancient Greek skeptics more than 2,000 years ago. And would you believe that skepticism and doubt questioning everything, it's really nothing new. And I want to give you a quote here from 1600 years ago. Now just hang with me and then I'm going to bring on a very special, expert voice on this subject. But Augustine, one of my favorite people from church history, brilliant, I mean, honestly, I believe one of the most brilliant people that ever lived. Augustine lived 354-430 A.D. and even in his time, 1600 years ago, Christians were trying to persuade people who didn't want to be persuaded. Now, there's some kind of lofty language here, but we'll go back and unpack it a bit. But Augustine, talking about presenting the Gospel and presenting the evidence for the Bible, he said, and I quote, what then can we do to convince those who refuse to believe? They either refuse to believe these facts unless we can show them, or if we are in a position to prove by ocular demonstration or by adequate testimony. And yet they say, not this, not this. Now, let me explain. Augustine, sixteen, hundred years ago, there are people that refuse to believe and they demand what he called ocular demonstration. O C U L A R In other words, give me something I can see or persuade me. And Augustine lamented. He said, and yet when we do show them, they say, not this, not this. Now, I've been at many a, ah, university campus. I've, had students ask me. They'll say, well, you know, where did the Bible come from? And I'll say, okay, let me show you and explain where the manuscripts came from. Well, preacher, what about this? And you answer that question and, you know, I guess it's human nature. Rather than humble oneself before God and admit that we're sinners and that God created us, God gave us the wonderful gift of life. And yet we need to bow before the Lord and say, dear Lord, please forgive me of my sins. And then we are to live morally and as disciples and citizens. We're to, not be just doing whatever we want to do. But, you know, there are the laws of man, but even written on every human heart, there's the law of God. It's just, I guess, that old stubborn, rebellious spirit where people push back and rather than admit God is the Lord of all, we, want to be our own God. And, there is a philosophy. More recently than 2,000 years, there's a philosophy that I believe more than any other thing. In the last, well, since the reformation, the last 500 years, I think the most detrimental philosophy that threatens not only America and the west, but frankly, threatens the souls of many people. And we're gonna talk about this philosophy that is contrary to God and his Word. And to help us weigh in, on these and other topics, longtime friend and colleague, Carl Kirby. Carl is the, founder of Reasons for Hope, an internationally known ministry. and I'll let him tell you about that. But for a number of years, Carl and I have collaborated on summer youth camps called Equip Retreats. And we have hundreds, of young people to hear about Jesus, hear the evidence for the Bible and so much more. But he's, a brother, a colleague and a friend. It's Carl Kirby. Carl, welcome to the American Family Radio Network.
>> Frank Gaffney: Alex, it's always a blessing to be with you. Thank you for the consideration.
>> Alex McFarland: Well, it's good to have you and, thanks for making time to be with us.
Carl Sagan: I think questioning is a good thing. What do you mean by that
I've got to ask you, Carl, you're a Christian and you're a Christian leader, but were you ever a skeptic?
>> Frank Gaffney: I'm still a skeptic.
>> Alex McFarland: What do you mean by that?
>> Frank Gaffney: Yeah, I was going to say what I mean by that is I think questioning is a good thing. Matter of fact, I came up With a saying here, not too long ago, as I was working with young people saying that if you can't question, it's not Christianity, that's a cult. As a Christian, God tells us to come, let's read it, Let us reason together. We need to be reasoning together. And this process of learning is going to involve questioning. So I literally question the things that I believe on a regular basis when I get challenged to make sure that what I'm doing, believing isn't just some sort of, you know, I had some bad pizza one day or something like that, that it's legitimate, that it will withstand the rigors of scrutiny. And so, I am skeptical. I still am. I questioned everything. I see something in the news. I'm the guy that's going to go look at two or three different sources before I'm even going to even give it a moment of light. So, I don't think that that's a bad thing. There's good ways to question, then there's bad ways to question. And if you're questioned with an open, honest, genuine, genuine heart of wanting to grow and wanting to learn, I think good things will come from that. God will honor that process.
>> Alex McFarland: Ah, ah, absolutely. You know, Carl, when I became a Christian in the late 1980s and I was midway, through my undergrad degree at a state school in North Carolina, back then, as far as I was aware, there really wasn't a lot in the realm of apologetics.
>> Frank Gaffney: Amen. Amen.
>> Alex McFarland: And I remember being in biology class and science classes at the University of North Carolina Carolina at Greensboro. And it didn't take me long as a brand new believer, 21 years old, and I realized, wait a minute, what I read in my Bible, that God created and God made man in his image, and in the image of God we were created. And that, soundly conflicted with what I was being told in science class at the university that we, you know, two cells came up out of the primordial soup and all plants, animals, mammals, humans came out of a purposeless, undirected design. And Carl, I instinctively I trusted the Bible, but I had no apologetics or anything like that.
Carl Kirby: How overwhelming is the evidence for biblical creation today
let me ask your opinion. In, in the 45 years since, you know, the, the 1980s, how compelling in your mind is the evidence that's come out for what you and I would call biblical creation?
>> Frank Gaffney: Overwhelming. Overwhelming is a supportive. I mean, you and I both know a good guy by the name of Dr. Gary Habermas who will just take the issue of the resurrection alone and write three books of over 1100 pages each. Right. Using evidence from not just Christian sources, but sources that even non Christians will accept. the same to me is true we just had here recently, within this last week, Yale, professor that is throwing Darwinism, to the curb, is kicking it to the curb. It doesn't make any sense people are saying this. But here's the problem. It's not an evidential issue, it's a spiritual issue. And you are so much further along than me because Alex, I was in the same classes as you. We're pretty close to the same age. I think I'm a little bit older than you, but the same thing was going on. But I didn't, I was in church and I was hearing Bible stories, which I think is the biggest challenge is that when you grow up learning the Bible as a storybook and not as historical actual occurrences, it prepares you to be just overwhelmed by the world. And that's what happened to me. I was like, yeah, I'm in church and I'm a Christian, but this is science and this is the church. And you kind of separate the two. And, and the world had more of a draw on me. So you, praise God, were much better than I, because you turned to God. But I did and I turned to man and I turned to flesh until I was 26. And then, wow, it was like this mind blowing experience where all of a sudden the word of God, this is the word of God. This is real, this is trustworthy. It's not just good spiritual and moral things as I had been taught. And so to me that's the real key is that we've laid a foundation that is distrusting of truth, that is distrusting of an absolute authority. That is the word of God, Jesus Christ himself. And so, yeah, I think that it's overwhelming now more and more every time we turn around. I've been putting this up on a regular basis. Sorry, this is a long answer. Alex. I've been putting this up on a regular basis. We found this rock changes everything we know it's going to change everything we've known. So I keep putting this up. Think of it this way. How strong is your position that everything you've known to be true for 150 years is no longer true because you found an inch long piece of rock that changes everything. That's no longer true. Now this is true until you find another piece of rock that says that this is. No, no, we have the rock, the word of God, the chief cornerstone. We don't have to change every time something new comes along. Our position is solid and the, evidence is backing it up.
>> Alex McFarland: let me give you a quote. I know you've probably heard this. There was a man named Niles Eldredge. He was a world class expert on fossils. But Niles Eldredge kind of summarized the failure of the fossil record to support evolution. He said, quote, no wonder paleontologists shied away from evolution. It never seems to happen. And he said, assiduous collection, collecting of samples. In other words, the aggressive, voluminous collecting of fossils yielded no definitive transitional sources. In other words, they said the fossils would speak. But honest paleontologists basically said, the fossils did not speak. At least they did not speak in favor of Darwinian evolution, did they, Carl?
>> Frank Gaffney: Amen. And, I use a number of those quotes. But what I do even that I think is even more powerful, Alex, is I take the secular charts. I do a whole class. If somebody wanted to watch this, if they download our app, just look for R, F, O, R, H R for H on the App Store. Look for the blue asterisk, black background. It's usually the second one because there's somebody that pays to be ahead of me and I'm not going to pay to market. Download it and you'll see at the bottom, speakers. Hit the speaker tab, you'll see my picture. Carl Kirby, great for keeping mice out of the pantry. Hit that full length talk. Go down and look at fossils. I show the actual phylogenetic charts, the family trees that supposedly depict how you came from those cells that you talked about and eventually turned into every life form on the planet. And I point out over multiple charts, secular charts, not Christian charts. Look at what they have and look at what they don't have. And when you start teaching people how to look at those things, every one of them scream that the biblical account is true. Because what you find is that one thing stayed, one thing never changed from or into anything else. And that's exactly what we should find. If God did what he said that he did, the way that he said that he did it, when he said that he created kinds and Genesis, and that's what we find in the fossil record are kinds of dog kind, cat kind, people kind. You do not find, as Niles Eldridge said, one thing turning into another thing. There's a few things that they'll try and throw at you, but when you go dig deeper on them, we have nothing to be afraid of.
>> Alex McFarland: Carl.
Is there a philosophy behind science and various scientists
and we've got a break coming up so I'm going to throw this out there, and I'm sure we'll have to come up on the other side of the little intermission and we'll elaborate further. But is there a philosophy behind science? I mean, Carl, I think people, probably at the street level, they assume science is neutral, unbiased. But, is there a philosophy behind science and various scientists?
>> Frank Gaffney: Yeah, I mean, we've all got a worldview and we've all got a bias and we've all got our presuppositions. And that's the problem, is that we think that evidence in and of itself, as you said earlier, the fossils will speak for themselves. Not true. Evidence does not speak for itself. Evidence is always interpreted in light of a worldview. So the person that's looking at the evidence, depending on what they believe about where they come from and how we got here, will look at the exact same fossil, the exact same evidence, and come to two totally different conclusions. It's not an evidence problem. It's a spiritual problem.
>> Alex McFarland: Hold that thought, Carl. Great. not an evidence problem, a spiritual problem. Alex McFarlane, along with our very special guest, Carl Kirby. Reasons for Hope. We, collaborate annually on the Equip Youth Camp. So we'll tell you more about that. Got a brief break. More of the Hamilton Corner on AFR after this break. Stay with us.
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>> Alex McFarland: We are back. Alex McFarland here along with Carl Kirby, talking about worldview and really, responding to skepticism, you know, in God's word in 2 Peter, chapter 1, verses 16 through 21. One of my absolute favorite passages of scripture, you know, regarding the gospel, it says, for we have not followed cleverly devised fables when we made known unto you the power and the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. I would encourage you to read that second Peter 1, 1621. And it, references really what we would call the historicity of the gospel. That yes, a man named Jesus really honestly did live in time and space, history, and we put our faith in Jesus. And the Greek word for faith or belief, it really means trust. but I will say this, and I'm sure Carl Kirby would concur. You can trust what the Bible says. Now, it comes to us through manuscripts, through eyewitness testimony, through a number of compelling lines of evidence. But, Carl Kirby, of Reasons for Hope, our guest right now. I believe we are on every bit as solid ground believing in Jesus and the historical record of the NewSong Testament as we are that, Washington crossed the Delaware, Shakespeare, wrote plays, and, Lincoln spoke at Gettysburg. I mean, by historical measurements, we have every bit as much reason. Yes. To believe the record of the gospels and the Bible as well. it's trustworthy, isn't it?
>> Frank Gaffney: Oh, amen. you know, I wanted to point one thing out. Alex, you were talking about earlier that this is a battle that goes way back. You were quoting some very early on folk. Well, guess what? The earliest, and this is just off the top of my head, the earliest apologetic book that was written because the faith has been under attack from very, very early on. Right. I mean, from the. Literally from the beginning. But the, the earliest apologetic book that we have, really anything left of. People might be shocked by this. It dates all the way back. I mean, this goes all the way Back to like 1:25 to 1:40 A.D. right. So this, this is not a new battle. I tell people like this, the tools are going to remain the same. And the big tool that they're going to use is the same tool that Satan used in the very beginning, which was doubt. Did God really say that? Very simple question. Adam and Eve, they were told the truth by God, but then they were given the opportunity to make a decision, receive or reject, and they did. And so we're suffering the consequences of those rejections. So doubt is the tool that Satan will always use. The questions will change. So being in ministry now for over 20, I guess seven years now, what I have found is that, I don't get asked the same question like you and I when we do our camps and we put the cards out. What are the Questions keeping you from selling out. The questions that we're getting today, there are some that are the same, such as death and suffering, what makes your book better than their book, and those types of things. But I'll tell you what, at least 70% of the questions we get now are not the same questions that we got asked five years ago. So, yes, skepticism is rampant, but you know what that means. That means the darker it gets, the brighter we should shine. And when we have a firm foundation to stand from, as you said, we can trust the book, the Word of God. Much more so than many other books. When you can do that and then you can articulate why you believe, not just what you believe, but why you believe. It's amazing the response that we see from the young people. They're looking for something that is rock solid. We have it. It's Jesus Christ, and it's his Word.
>> Alex McFarland: Amen. Folks, the voice you're hearing is Carl Kirby, founder of Reasons for Hope, longtime friend and colleague. just a very valued and trusted colleague in the ministry.
Carl Kirby and his staff have led camps since the 90s
And, before we continue our conversation about, worldview and creation, evolution, skepticism, I do want to mention our camps. we do. For a number of years, really, since the 90s, I have led camps. Carl and his staff have led camps. And, I guess shortly before COVID we decided to collaborate. and the Equip retreats, they go on every summer. We're in beautiful places like Montana. Carl, I said this. If heaven has a satellite office here on Earth, it's probably got to be Montana. That is so beautiful. And we're up there. I believe it's, Shiloh. No trails in ranch, it's called. And we do horseback riding. And, we have, every summer, have kids get saved. We're in places like upstate NewSong Jersey, beautiful parts of America, and, Georgia. And the website, Carl, correct me if I get this wrong. It's equipretreat.org equip retreat.
>> Frank Gaffney: Equip retreat.org.
>> Alex McFarland: Yeah. Now, folks, here's what we do. I mean, we do all the fun camp stuff. We roast marshmallows, and we. We hike and, you know, all the activities. But what we do, and the kids love it. I mean, they do middle school, high school. We drill down deeply into the word of God. And Carl has got two and a half decades plus of ministry. So do I. you know, I. Back in the day when I was youth pastor for 11 years and I brought Josh McDowell to town, and then I would bring Gary Habermas and Lee Strobel and, Norm Geisler, John Ankerberg, Ravi Zacharias. Every major apologist. Yeah.
>> Frank Gaffney: Why didn't I get to come to some of those camps to hear. I want to hear those guys?
>> Alex McFarland: Well, you know what? It was amazing, Carl. In the late 90s and early 2000s, you know, we were renting the Greensboro Coliseum in North Carolina. The homeschool network got word, and, I mean, we would have 5,000 teenagers come out to sit. Sit for eight hours and listen to me. Josh McDowell, Frank Turek, all these people. We brought Ken Ham to Greensboro of Answers in Genesis, David Barton. And folks, what, I'm saying is this. At the equip retreat, 30 years of apologetics and biblical worldview training, the very training that, I did, when I was working for James Dobson Focus on the Family, I was working on the Truth Project. God's allowed me to write 21 books. Carl has written. Ah, what we do. Carl Kirby, myself, an incredible speaker named Frank. Frank Figueroa. Dave Glander. so many people, we spend a week out of the summer with your teenagers. And I challenge parents to invest a week. That will count for a lifetime. And Carl, again, The website is equipretreat.org. it's very, very affordable. And, I just. The time to plan for summer of 26 is now. Now. And so, Carl, part of what we do, you and I do it. You're traveling the country, I'm traveling the country. We do these summer camps every year. You know, heaven forbid that a young person, they come up in a Christian home or they go to church, they make a profession of faith, but they graduate high school and they graduate from God or they go away to college and they become an atheist. And I really believe the camps that you and I do is, one of the best things we could do to inoculate with truth against that.
>> Frank Gaffney: Amen. And I can back that up with actual factual evidence, because we have letters, and I just received one within the last month and a half of a young person that went off to college and started one of the, Turning Point clubs at the college that they're at in Missouri right now, secular college. And he said, the only reason that I'm where I'm at today is because when I was a young person in high school and I went to the Equip retreats, and it solidified my faith. I've got numbers of those young people. So it actually does, work. We know that. We've Got the actual evidence from real young people that are now raising families that are now, some of them are now bringing their families to these things. And by the way, one that you didn't mention, Alex, we've got two new ones. We're going to be in Florida and North Carolina this year as well. those are new places and that's in July and August. So I hope that we can get folks to join us. I got some m people coming from Hawaii that are going to join us in Montana this year.
>> Alex McFarland: Yeah. And you know, look folks, whether the issue is creation or evolution or does God exist or is this an atheistic universe? And what about Jesus? How do we know that the Lord Jesus is the one and only savior or the Bible? Is the Bible trustworthy? Is the Bible still the authority on matters of morals, gender, sexuality and you know, even things like marriage and family? we go over all of the topics, the issues that not only God's word does speak to, but kids are hungry to hear it. Carl, I got to tell you this, last November, it was kind of our last big youth thing of the year. We did a youth weekend on the North Carolina coast at Fort Caswell. It's a one, hundred fifty year old fort that the North Carolina Baptist operate on the coast right beyond Wilmington. Well it was the 75th anniversary of Fort Caswell and I publicized it pretty hard. Well, we had 1100 youth and 185 adult chaperones. Fort Caswell said it was the biggest event they'd ever had of any kind in their 75 year history. 1100 kids. And many of these kids, I mean I would say dozens came up and they said, Mr. McFarland, I was at the equip camp and I want to hear more, I want to learn more. So we came down to this youth weekend Friday, Saturday, Sunday, a, couple of weeks before, before Thanksgiving. Here's the thing, Carl, check this out. On Saturday night about 9 o' clock we finished, we had a big altar call, had over 220 kids make a salvation decision and they had like two hours of free time. Lights out at 11pm all right. I said, you know, great, it's been a wonderful day, but you have two hours of free time. I'm going to stay around and do just open Q and A if you want to, but you can go play volleyball, play in the, you know, the nine square. Well, we had just over 500 kids stay for two hours of Q and A. I mean it was their free time, but half the group 500 plus teenagers stayed to hear just open Q and A. I guess my point is kids are hungry, hungry for truth, aren't they?
Alex: Don't sell the young people short on spiritual things
>> Frank Gaffney: Amen. When somebody tells me, an adult tells me the kids just, they're not interested in any spiritual things, it's like, no, that's not true because I can show you that they are. We, have the same thing. We've seen it at the camps. I do not just equip. I speak at other camps as well. And a funny thing happened, Alex. I was at this big camp and they only want me to speak once in the morning, once in the evening. And I'm like, man, this is, this is my life. I'm out here for eight hours and I'm just speaking twice a day, making me crazy because I want to, I want to pour into people when I'm out someplace. If I'm going to be away from my family, I want to do ministry, right? So I said, would you give me an extra session after lunch during free time? And the camp said, well, nobody will come. I said, that's fine. If only one kid comes, I'll be great with it. We were getting more than 50% of the kids, coming back to just a voluntary Q and A just like you had, because they want something. And so, folks that are out there, please don't sell the young people short. There's hope. His name is Jesus. And when you can take and show this younger generation that look, what we're talking about is real, it makes sense in the world that we live in, let's point out the inconsistencies that the world's throwing at you because as we started this whole thing off, it is not an evidence problem, it's a worldview problem. Worldviews will impact, how strong we are willing to stand in something. And when we can show somebody that they can stand firmly on the word of God, it changes everything. And that's what we need in our culture right now. People who are not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ who will open their mouth. And I don't care where you are, you're not a, ah, Christian here, not a Christian here, no more undercover Christianity. We need people willing to stand firm in the face of the craziness in our world today. Speaking the truth in love. That's just what it's going to take.
>> Alex McFarland: Amen. Amen.
A new fossil may rewrite what we think about Lucy and early humans
Carl, in the news this week, there was a, ah, report of a new fossil that, said it might rewrite what we think about Lucy, and early humans and things like that. Before we dive into this too much, what is Lucy?
>> Frank Gaffney: Yeah, that's what I referred to earlier when I said they just found this new two, inch long bone that changes everything they've known to be true for the last 150 years. It's a piece of a jaw. It's not even a full jaw. It's a piece of a jaw, and it's going to change everything that we've known to be true. How strong is your position now? To answer your question, Lucy, is supposedly our evolutionary ancestor. And for folks to kind of grasp this, don't use the line anymore that, well, if you believe we evolved from apes, how come we still got apes? Because the evolutionary model doesn't teach that we evolved from apes anymore. It teaches that apes and humans came from a common ancestor. And Lucy, for a number of years, has been the strongest candidate for that missing link. Something that looks like an ape but walks like a human. And so Lucy supposedly is that thing from which both apes and humans came from. But when you go dig deeper, oh, my. It is not anything that we need to be afraid of. Matter of fact, as I told people earlier, if they download, if they downloaded the app, they'll see a merge section. Go to the merge section and, you'll see PDFs. If you hit PDFs, there's a booklet inside there called Lucy Unlinked. And it has nothing but secular sources showing you exactly what they have. And when you get done looking at that, it'll blow your mind. Now, it's a sale thing on there, Alex, and I'm not trying to sell anybody on that. So just when you, if you put it in your, your store and you check out, type in the gift, code, Carl's Gift, Carls Gift, Carl's Gift. And it'll be absolutely free and you can download it. But Lucy was nothing. It was. It was nothing to be concerned about. I can tell you that right now.
>> Alex McFarland: Yeah, well, you know what? And, this might be a little bit of a silly, analogy, but, Carl, do you remember that show, Frasier comedy show, years ago, Kelsey Grammer Frazier? Okay. he and his brother in this sitcom, they were always getting into, you know, circumstances. Well, they went to their boyhood home and they saw something on the floor. I forget. and they just extrapolated and they said, oh, there's been a murder, you know. Well, they just got all riled up and it was nothing. They inferred things that were completely false. When I read about these fossils and they'll find like a shard of bone and they'll say, oh, this was our ancestor 3.2 million years ago. They extrapolate, they build up the, this whole narrative. they're really extrapolating, jumping the gun. We're going to come back.
We'll talk about skepticism, worldview and the future of our youth
Alex McFarland here, Carl Kirby of Reasons for hope. Our summer camps. Coming up, the Equip retreat. Equip retreat.org we'll talk about skepticism, worldview and the future of our youth. Stay tuned. We've got a brief break. We'll be back after this. Don't go away.
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Alex McFarland has a new book on prophecy and end times
>> Alex McFarland: Welcome back to the program. Alex McFarland here, very honored to be sitting in for Abe Hamilton. If you recognize my voice, it might be from a show called Exploring the Word, now in its 16th year on the American Family Radio Network. We are heard three to four central time every day, Monday through Friday, four to five Eastern time. And we explore the word. You know, my co host and I, Bert Harper, and I have a brand new book out called 100 Bible Questions on Prophecy and the End Times. We go through Daniel and Revelation, some fresh research on AI and, the global system of cryptocurrency and the web and just the surveillance state that the world has become. But we talk about what the Bible truly says about the last days and the return of Christ. It's available to the American Family association, resource store and it's at Barnes and Noble, bookstores everywhere. So if you would check out the book 100 Bible Questions and answers on prophecy and the end times. My travel schedule. And I'm on the road everywhere every weekend. But it's at, alexmcfarland M dot com. my friend here, Carl Kirby.
Is your speaking schedule available online? And if so, what is URL
Carl, let me ask you this. what are some of the latest resources that you and your staff have put put out? And, is your speaking schedule available online? And if so, what is that? URL.
>> Frank Gaffney: Well, thank you. R f o r h.com is our website and if you just do that, R F O R H, that'll be our app as well. And the events calendar is on both of those. And, it's not just me speaking. I've got Juan Valdez with me. A wonderful, wonderful, phenomenal speaker. Frank Figueroa is a great speaker. each of us have different giftings and different areas, but man, it's wonderful to see the body of Christ come together and do that. Frank, and I are actually going to be down in Alabama coming up here pretty quick. We're speaking, doing, an impact conference. We just finished up in Hawaii, like three, three, four days ago. I'm going to be in Kentucky here pretty soon, Ohio. man, my schedule is just bouncing all around. But you can see it, like I say, at R4F O R H dot com, look under the events tab and you'll see all of our speakers tabs. speaking to, under that tab, I should say amen.
>> Alex McFarland: You know, folks, fallacies are faulty ways of thinking. And if we, if we fall for a fallacy, we're going to draw conclusions that aren't true. And one of the, one of the more common fallacies, whenever I teach, logic or critical thinking skills at universities, you know, there is a thing called a non sequitur. Now, that's Latin for not sequential. In other words, it doesn't necessarily follow at all, right? And Carl, the reason I bring that up is when I was in college, you know, 35 years ago, and even now, you know, it seems like in the secular press they'll find a tooth or a fragment of a bone and they'll have pictures of a whole village and they'll have this whole backstory, like, you know, we were talking about Lucy. That was long thought to be our common ancestor. And, you know, I remember I used to, in college and graduate school, I would kind of like, you know, scratch my head. I'm like, you don't know that you got a piece of a bone and you've got this whole narrative about the last 3 million years and by the way, I don't believe the world is.
>> Frank Gaffney: You've gone silent. I can't hear.
>> Alex McFarland: Oh, okay. Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Carl? Carl, are you there?
Carl Kirby: Darwinian evolutionary theory presupposes truth of Darwinian evolution
so Alex McFarland here, we're talking with Carl Kirby. And a non sequitur is something that doesn't necessarily follow. And you know, when they come to the table, presupposing the truth of Darwinian evolution, that presupposing that we trust Darwin from 1859 rather than the book of Genesis from, you know. Well, the events in the book of Genesis are 4000 B.C. although Moses wrote it in, about 1400 B.C. during the time of the Exodus. God gave Moses the first five books of the Bible. By the way, we called that the Pentateuch, P, E, N, T. The prefix pent means five. Well, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, numbers, Deuteronomy, those are the first five books of the Bible. And my point is, folks, that there have been few worldviews as influential as the Darwinian evolutionary worldview. Now, it's interesting how the pro evolutionists, the anti creation, really anti creation, anti God, anti moral, voices, they don't use the term Darwinism like they once did because, you know, Charles Darwin made some statements that really frankly were racist because he assumed, you know, various ethnicities were inferior to others. And so he had an evolution theory is inherently racist. But so they don't use his name as much as they used to. However, they definitely use his theory. The idea that, we purposely purposelessly, just randomly evolved undirected time plus chance plus inanimate matter. but that doesn't answer so many questions like the origin of consciousness, how did inanimate matter, like the primordial ooze, develop consciousness? But, Carl, speak, if you would, about the fact that you can't just get world history from a bone fragment. It doesn't necessarily follow, does it?
>> Frank Gaffney: No, it's exactly like we were talking earlier that, bones and fossils don't. Evidence doesn't speak for itself. It's always interpreted. And whoever's doing the interpreting is going to have some worldview, some approach to doing these things. I'll give you a perfect example. I take people out, we dig dinosaur bones sometimes. And we were in Glendive, Montana, and I found a toe bone, a Edmontosaurus toe bone. Didn't know what it was at the time. And we were looking at it, it was like 90 to 95% complete. But there was one break that went straight across the bone and There was just this little tiny bit of material, missing. So we're trying to figure out, okay, what does this belong to? And the way that I put the two pieces of bone together, I could have had it perfectly straight, or it also fit if you had it at about a 15 degree angle. And it was like, okay, so which way do you put this bone back together? We looked and we looked and finally we found. Because they found so many bones over the years now that we can take what you find and compare it to charts of what has already been found and know what it is. And we found that it fit with an Edmontosaurus, a juvenile Edmontosaurus toe bone. And it needed that little 15°, angle. But you see, I could have put it back together, because now that I've put it back together and sealed it up, you, you wouldn't be able to tell, Alex. You would look at this and think it's 100% complete. It's not. It was 95% complete. And I could have put it back together straight. And it could have been something, it would have made it look like it was something completely, totally different than what it was. Here's the problem. When you find pieces, just pieces many times. And I mean, if people don't trust, don't believe me on this, go look for yourself. Some of our supposed ancestors have pieces, of a jawbone, pieces of a skull. Lucy, the one that we talked about earlier, the most famous is because she was so complete. If you look at the total number of bones in a human and chimp body versus what they found, they'd say you've got like 80%. No, you don't. You've really got much less than that. Less than about 40% of Lucy was found. No hand bones, no foot bones. But when you see the depictions of Lucy, they show her walking upright with human hands and human feet. But the more bones that they found from that species, Australopithecus afarensis, which is Lucy's species, the hand bones and foot bones that they found from her species were actually more curved than a chimpanzee. So they show you the images of Lucy with a human hand and a human feet, but then the actual bones that belong to that species, her cousins, were actually more curved than a chimpanzee. So this is not science, this is science fiction. the Bible tells us, don't be turned from truth unto fables. And that's what we see going on. We don't have a truth problem, we have a fable problem.
>> Alex McFarland: You know, Carl, one of the most compelling things that I've seen and by the way, when we show videos at camp, like from 60 Minutes, the new show, you should see the faces of the kids. I was taught millions of years in school. I was even before I was a Christian, I questioned that. But soft tissue samples in fossils, and this is huge, and there's a, number of people. But, back in 2005, Dr. Mary Schweitzer, who was a, ah, paleontologist at NC State University where my, my father graduated from NC State, she found soft, flexible, moist tissue in over 300 dinosaur bone samples. Now, fossils that were supposed to be millions of years old, repeatedly, it was not just a one time anomaly, but they would find blood cells wet. Soft tissue preservation in hard rock fossils that they would saw open.
>> Frank Gaffney: Carl,
>> Alex McFarland: I, mean, it just stands to reason that, I mean if this thing were, you know, 3, 4, 2, 2 to 4 or 5 million years old, there still wouldn't be, you know, soft material in there. What does the exact first of all speak to it, if you would. But soft tissue blood cells in bone fossils. What do you make of that, Carl?
>> Frank Gaffney: Look, Alex, I can give you firsthand experience on this one because I told you I take people on dinosaur digs sometimes. In Glendive, Montana, the first time I went, I found another toe bone, a smaller one than the Edmontosaurus before. I took that toe bone down to Texas and took it to a place where they have three electron microscopes. They cut off very, very fine slices of this bone. I think it was like five micron, slices. They put the bone that I discovered personally in sediments that the evolutionists would date anywhere from 68 to 75 million years. Anywhere in that timeframe. I don't believe those days. That's just their dating techniques. We need to know it and not be afraid of it. I took that bone, they sliced it, they put it under electron microscope and I was speaking. And when I got done speaking, I came back, they ran up to me. Come here, come here, you got to see this. They took me back. I have the slides, I have the bone, I have the images inside the bone that I discovered. Out of this 68 to 72 million year old layer, they found blood clots, collagen. That is organic material. Organic material under the best preservation methods will not last even 100,000 years. Alex, you can cryogenetically store organic material and it will still break down. That there will be nothing left after 100,000 years. So Mary Schweitzer's find, they ridiculed it when it first came out. The, the evolutionists attacked her and mocked her. It's, it's, material that got put in there by mistake. It's all this kind of thing. And now what you will read if you go do any research on this, it doesn't matter what bone you find. They are finding organic material, as you said.
Mary Schweitzer found evidence that dinosaur bones are millions of years old
Tissue, red blood cells, collagen, and almost every dinosaur bone that they find. This is not something that is like, oh, wow, this is a shock. No, it's in every, almost every bone that they find now. So this screams that this bone is not millions of years old. Scientifically, it can't be. And there's a bunch of other pieces of evidence that you can use as well, but to me, that's probably the most powerful.
>> Alex McFarland: Well, Discover magazine wrote an article called Schweitzer's Dangerous Discovery, quote, unquote. and I'm just going to say, you comment. I mean, this discovery is dangerous because it is just empirical proof that the millions of years narrative couldn't be true. And you know, Mary Schweitzer is listed as the first researcher to identify and isolate soft tissue in ancient fossil buns. Collagen, protein, amino acid. here's the thing, Carl. I would think that this would have been front page news all around the planet. Oh, yeah, Wouldn't you?
>> Frank Gaffney: Oh, yeah. Well, you know, when I do, I do a talk on this and I show the actual clips when she went on 60 Minutes and it was, it was shocking how much vitriol, she received from her peers, you know, and it wasn't because of necessarily the evidence, because the evidence was solid. the evidence is what it is. I mean, that's all there is to it. But it was because she was willing to even show it. They were upset because here's the implications. You're giving creationists tools now to fight against evolution. What science is. Science literally means knowledge. How do you gain knowledge? Through the scientific method. What is the scientific method? You use your five senses in the present. You make an observation, you test your observation, you come up with a hypothesis, and you go through this whole process. And regardless of where that result leads is the way that it's supposed to be. This is the evidence. Here's what we did. We went through the process. We are finding soft tissue, we are finding red blood cells, collagen, and bones that are dated this old. Well, that therefore shows that this stuff can't be that old. Nope.
>> Alex McFarland: Yeah.
>> Frank Gaffney: We can't do that because now you have undermined the entire worldview that we've been talking about. That there is a God.
>> Alex McFarland: Almost out of time, Carl.
>> Frank Gaffney: That worldview.
>> Alex McFarland: Yeah. Carl, Give your website one last time. We're almost done.
>> Frank Gaffney: I am so sorry. R4R h dot com. Don't be ashamed. Stand firm.
>> Alex McFarland: God bless you, folks. Thanks for listening. We'll see you soon on afr. The views and opinions expressed in this.
>> Frank Gaffney: Broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of.
>> Alex McFarland: The American Family association or American Family Rad. So.
