In this episode, Katy and Jenn examine a major religious freedom victory as a federal appeals court affirms the right of a Christian homeless ministry to hire staff who share its faith. They also explore new research showing that pro-family financial policies can measurably increase birthrates—and contrast those findings with broader government-centered approaches to family support. The conversation then turns personal, unpacking the rise of toxic mom groups, social media–driven exclusion, and what healthy adult friendships should look like. Finally, Sam joins Jenn to answer questions about a heartbreaking child welfare situation and respond to criticism over asking donor-conceived people to share their stories with Them Before Us.

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