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Welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network

>> Chris Woodward: Welcome to Today's Issues, offering a Christian.

>> Tim Wildmon: Response to the issues of the day.

>> Chris Woodward: Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. For this Tuesday, it's not Monday. Feels like Monday for a lot of people, but it's actually Tuesday, September the second, 2025. Hard to believe it's already September. Joining me in the studio is Wesley Wildmon. Good morning, Wesley.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Good morning.

>> Tim Wildmon: Chris Woodward. Good morning. And Ray Pritchards in Kansas City. Good morning, Ray.

>> Tim Wildmon: Good morning, Tim. How you doing today?

>> Tim Wildmon: Doing good. Did. You're, an Ole Miss, fan, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, I am.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, so the Rebels won big.

>> Tim Wildmon: Squeak. Squeaked by Georgia State, you know, so, so number one's in the books. And hey, congratulations to your Mississippi State Bulldogs won a big game down there in Hattiesburg.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, we were already. Already with the win one half of what we won last year. so, you know, on the road to Dublin, the better to better days. A better to win than to lose, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. That's right. We're not going to criticize.

>> Tim Wildmon: Napoleon said that we've got to do a better job.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We've got to live in the moment.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that's right. So, yeah. So Mississippi State one, that's, that's my. That's Wesley and I, we both went to school. Chris did, too. Went to school there. And, and so is a. It's a fun weekend of college football. Unless you were. Unless your team lost.

>> Chris Woodward: There's a few.

>> Tim Wildmon: To all of our Alabama fans out there, we're sorry, you know. And last night, did you watch a little bit of that, you know, Bill Belichick's college football debut?

>> Tim Wildmon: Bill Belichick laid an egg.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, that did not work.

>> Tim Wildmon: It was a rotten one.

>> Chris Woodward: I don't think Tom Brady has a kid old enough to play football yet for Bill.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you know what? It's the. It's week one, right? So you got 12 weeks, to find out how good your team is. And week one doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be that bad or that good.

>> Chris Woodward: It was a good program that they were playing to. TCU is, is, you know, could be virtually.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah, yeah. TCU is very good. absolutely. But yeah, Bill Belichick, you know, the whole world was watching. And then they marched down the field. The first thing North Carolina did. And after that it was all TCU.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: After that they were outscored 48 to 7.

>> Tim Wildmon: The stadium was rocking. And then after halftime, nobody was there any half the finish. What'd you say?

>> Chris Woodward: Did you see who was at the game to watch the game?

>> Tim Wildmon: I did, yeah. Michael Jordan.

>> Chris Woodward: The great ones. Yeah. And Lawrence Steelers.

>> Wesley Wildmon: The biggest letdown for me was a, was a fourth year player in Arch Manning.

>> Tim Wildmon: what do you mean fourth year player?

>> Wesley Wildmon: This is fourth year at the university.

>> Tim Wildmon: And he, he's a three year, red shirt.

>> Wesley Wildmon: He's a red shirt. Being there for three years.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Not having performed any better than he did as the number one player out of high school in the country.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. But like I said.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's got 11 games to redeem himself. So you'll be hearing the name Arch Manning.

>> Tim Wildmon: it's tough to go on the road on your first game against Ohio State.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ohio State, and dominate them.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I would argue he had three years to prepare for that moment.

>> Chris Woodward: You're not playing Yachna, Patafa County Tech.

>> Wesley Wildmon: A and M M, they refreshments out of high school that played better this weekend than he did.

>> Tim Wildmon: Why you? Why are you so. Are you anti Arch?

At least 54 people were shot in Chicago over Labor Day weekend

>> Wesley Wildmon: No, I'm just. The hype was entirely too much.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, yeah, I agree on that. I agree on that. But you know, he.

>> Wesley Wildmon: For the last three years, it's been entirely too much. Okay, Made my point.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, you made your point. Maybe eating your words.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. Peyton Manning lost his first college, football game in the state of Mississippi, which is where his dad's from. That was in September of 1994.

>> Wesley Wildmon: All right.

>> Tim Wildmon: But he didn't ask for the hype. He just happened to be born a Manning.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So he did. He didn't pressure there. He. He's not a Arch, Manning is not a. Look at me guy. I heard him after the game. He said I got to play better, I got to do better. And, so, you'll be hearing from Texas Longhorns, again for the season's out. All right, so big week of college football and, we, sorry to say, we got some real world stuff to talk about. Wealth, some Good and bad. We try to make some good stuff in there as well. And, you're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. What is your first story, Chris?

>> Chris Woodward: Well, at least 54 people were shot in Chicago over Labor Day weekend. some people, unfortunately, passed away as a result of being shot. President Trump, of course, is looking at ways to possibly deploy the National Guard to try to combat crime in the Windy City, much like his administration has done in Washington, D.C. but if the mayor of Chicago has any say about this, Brandon Johnson does not want any federal help. Don't take my word for it. Clip 1 no federal troops in the city of Chicago. No militarized force in the city of Chicago.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're going to defend our democracy in.

>> Tim Wildmon: The city of Chicago.

>> Chris Woodward: We're going to protect the humanity of.

>> Tim Wildmon: Every single person in the city of Chicago.

>> Chris Woodward: Now, again, at least 54 people shot there.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, I haven't. That's the first I've heard of. Heard from him. there's probably a lot more to that, speech. But was any. Have you heard the whole thing?

>> Chris Woodward: Oh, not, not.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm just wondering if he's got the same enthusiasm for the seven people that were murdered this weekend and the 54 that were shot with the firearm.

>> Chris Woodward: No.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay. I didn't think so.

>> Chris Woodward: Same with.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, well, I understand, you know, that, that why he's saying what he's saying. And we've all said many times we don't believe that President Trump, it not, nor does it look good, much less has a constitutional power just to rush in there with National Guard. And Trump's not doing that, which is why he's looking for as many ways as he can to do it legally. But the point is, the point still stands, is that we're not seeing a decrease, we're not seeing a plan from the mayor in Chicago, Brandon Johnson. He doesn't have a whiteboard out at any of these press conferences that I've seen where he says, this is what we're going to do to go from 54 shootings this weekend down to 44 shootings. And the list goes on. We're not seeing anything from him. So why he's all of a sudden doing these, press conferences or making these comments, in response to President Trump. But yet he doesn't seem as, as enthusiastic or as concerned with the problem that we're pointing out as Republicans are conservatives about these inner cities.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, Brandon Johnson is the mayor there. We just heard from M in Chicago. He's rallying the Troops, to. To defend, his city against, President Trump sending National Guardsmen. Ray, have you heard any more about this? Because I don't think President Trump has said he's going to send National Guardsmen, has he?

>> Tim Wildmon: No. And he and his administration, they have acknowledged he doesn't have the power to unilaterally say, go to Jacksonville, go to Chicago, go to Seattle. And I think everybody agrees on that. But the two things to keep in mind here, number one, these people are nuts. The mayor of Chicago, he's nuts. He is. He has not only drunk the Kool Aid, he's become completely. He's become drunken with his hatred of President Trump. I mean, we talk about tds, Trump Derangement Syndrome. There's a guy who's got it, and Governor Pritzker has got it. Whereas on, this, on the other end, you've got the mayor of Washington who is, dying, the wool Democrat who has said, thank you, Mr. President, for what you have done. And I guess that is the bottom line, all this. President Trump can say, look what we did in Washington D.C. and look how fast it turned around. Why not let us do the same thing for your city?

>> Tim Wildmon: Now I think Trump is talking about ICE having a major operation in Chicago.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right.

>> Tim Wildmon: The immigration.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Customs enforce, Customs and Enforcement, which is different than, a not sending the National Guard and to. To do like he did in Washington D.C. as we said all along. Now Washington D.C. crime is way down because of the presence of the National Guard and President Trump's, the, FBI and others who are being employed in the District of Columbia, which is, as we said many times, the Federal city. A Federal city. It's in a unique situation. He does have the authority to do that in our nation's capital. But not just sending National Guard all.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Over the country, different cities to different.

>> Tim Wildmon: Cities across the country because crime's out of control.

Many Democrats say they don't want any federal assistance whatsoever

It's up to those cities and those states. For example, in Chicago, you know, if the governor there or the mayor there, the mayor of the city wanted to, you know, crack down on crime, which I don't think he does. It doesn't sound like to m me, he could, they could, get the National Guardsmen in Illinois to come in and help, you know, clean up the area, police the area, get took violent crime down in there in their city. But yeah, Chicago, just every weekend, it's just like a bloodbath. Of course, it is the second largest city. Well, no, third now, behind Los Angeles. Third largest city in America. Whether 7 or 8, 9 million, 10 million people in the greater Chicago here. It's a big place. I don't know, but I don't know about Chicago proper. Many people live there, but it's still one of the largest cities in America. so you have to consider that when you consider the numbers in terms of violent crime. But I think it's just, this is just a you know, rally the troops moment for the Democrats, you know, keep Trump out of our city. You know, we don't need to federalize our city. All the while these statistics keep piling up with deaths and shootings and violence and so forth.

>> Chris Woodward: Talking about, Mayor Johnson, they're not wanting, the National Guard. Not wanting.

>> Tim Wildmon: He made that clear, didn't he?

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, he pretty clear. now Mayor Johnson is one of many Democrats that don't want any federal assistance whatsoever. National Guard, ICE troops, things like that. And somebody that responded to those Democrats today is, ICE Deputy Director Madison Sheehan. She had this to say on Fox about Dems not wanting officers, ICE or other federal officers.

>> Ray Pritchard: Clip 5 well, as you all know, oftentimes these Democrat run cities are the ones who need ICE the most. And the men and women of ice, Secretary Noem and President Trump will not be deterred by Democrat members of Congress, of governors and of local leadership who are saying they will not work with ice. The men and women of ICE will continue to go after the worst of the worst. We will go into communities and we will force enforce immigration law. And as it's written, we have the support of Secretary Noem who understands the importance of working with state and local leadership. But if these Democrat run cities don't want to work with us, we will continue to go into these cities. And Chicago is another great example.

>> Tim Wildmon: So tell me, with ice.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Which is enforcing immigration laws.

>> Chris Woodward: Correct.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So, but that, but, but that, but they can legally do that constitutionally. That's separate from the National Guard, obviously.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know if it's wise to tip off people that you come into. Huh?

>> Chris Woodward: It's like, hey, we're going to attack you at 5am tomorrow.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I like the enthusiasm and I'm, I'm cheering you on. But the also in the back of my mind thought the same thing.

>> Tim Wildmon: I thought, well, why tip off the bad guys, right? By telling them you're coming. Hey, we're coming. Yeah. Next Tuesday, to your city. all right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Be there about 8:30 in the morning.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right, yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: Appropriately.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

Rashida Talib is the first Palestinian American elected to Congress

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, so anyway, next story.

>> Chris Woodward: Chris Representative, Rashida Tlaib.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, she's one of my favorite people.

>> Chris Woodward: That's why I bring her in. Mr. President.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, Mr. Rashida Talib. She and, Omar Ilhan Elan. Omar.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, we're on a first name basis with her and aoc.

>> Tim Wildmon: they're AOC what's her full name?

>> Chris Woodward: Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, those.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Glad you didn't ask me.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're the Three Musketeers.

>> Chris Woodward: They sure are. They sure are. Now, Rashida Talib, the representative from Michigan, was at a pro Palestinian rally, and she was sharing a lot of comments, about how you can't keep us down. We're here. We're gonna fight. You can't ignore us. And here is a little bit of edited video or audio I should say that I had to, bring into the show, clip two.

>> Ray Pritchard: They thought they could kill us, rape us, imprison us, violently uproot us from our olive tree farms, starve our children to death, and we would disappear. Well, guess what? Now we're in Congress and we're every corner of the United States. They just don't get it. They will never truly comprehend, even after seven decades, that we aren't going anywhere. We are just getting started. I want to say to all of them, every genocide enabler. Look at this one rooms. We ain't going anywhere.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, Genocide enabler. She's talking about Israel.

>> Chris Woodward: She is.

>> Tim Wildmon: And people who support Israel.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes, the west in general.

>> Tim Wildmon: What kind of rally was that?

>> Chris Woodward: A pro Palestinian rally.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, of course she's from Detroit area, right?

>> Chris Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: There's a big Muslim population in that. so that doesn't surprise me. They would have a rally, a rally like that. Ray, any thoughts on what she's talking about?

>> Tim Wildmon: She is so far gone in her leftist, over the edge ideology, she thinks there are. There's 200 million people who support her. Yeah, she's got her little niche of people and they are in. In certain big cities. But she does not speak for the mainstream of America. She is way, way out there on the left.

>> Chris Woodward: Way m. I do have audio from a Democrat by the name of Yamisi Egg Bella. she was on Fox Prince this morning. Chris Yamisi Egba Walley.

>> Tim Wildmon: Really?

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. Me and Yamisi go away.

>> Tim Wildmon: Where is she from?

>> Chris Woodward: The United States of America.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Chris Woodward: Planet Earth, I should say.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Anyway, but now what is her,

>> Chris Woodward: Yamisi M. Egba Walla. She worked for the Biden administration for a period of time.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Chris Woodward: and she was on Fox and Friends this morning saying that Representative, Talib should do a better job of paying attention to issues in, and not these kinds of comments that she's often in, the news for making.

>> Ray Pritchard: Clip 3 Let me be clear here. Rashida Tlaib does not sound like a sitting member of Congress. She sounds like an activist who has no responsibility to the people who elected her. She was elected in 2018 and she sits in a seat that John Conyers vacated, who still holds the record as the longest serving black member of Congress. The people that elected her didn't elect her on the Gaza and Palestinian issue. I understand that. That's her identity and she's made inroads as being the first Palestinian American elected to Congress. But you don't get to run on your ide ideology. You have to run on what constituents voted you for. And I, and I believe that the people in her district care about economic opportunity, infrastructure, having crime down, safety in their communities. I mean, at some point this has to run out. And so I think she has to stop caring about what people online say and care more about what happens in her district.

>> Chris Woodward: I don't think Rashida is listening to those kinds of opinions.

>> Tim Wildmon: But, but that woman we just heard from was a Biden.

>> Chris Woodward: she worked for the Biden administration.

>> Tim Wildmon: So it's Democrat against Democrat.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes, it is, right there.

President Trump is expected to make an announcement at 2pm today

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to today's issues. So what's President Trump gonna announce today at 2:00 clock at the Oval Office? Because there's a big announcement coming.

>> Chris Woodward: There is. And details are all over the place in terms of what he is.

>> Tim Wildmon: How can details be all over the place?

>> Chris Woodward: Well, because anytime Trump's gonna make an announcement, it and details are not immediately made known. It's unclear as to what he's gonna talk about.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm just kidding with you there.

>> Chris Woodward: Oh, no, no, no.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm picking on you as a reporter.

>> Chris Woodward: It's a great question. in this particular, I will tell you this. The scuttlebutt on the Internet is that he's gonna make some sort of announcement about his health. There have been people, Democrats and news people working together, perhaps, trying to make an issue of Trump's age and whether or not he's in decent enough health here. keep in mind, these people had nothing to say about Joe Biden during his four years of feebleness. But, Donald Trump, President Trump may be making some sort of announcement today. It could be something completely unrelated to health. It could be what if Anything he's going to do about Chicago, it might be what to do about Russia. Because on a side Note, President Trump's 50 day deadline for Russia has expired. So who knows what today's announcement is going to be about.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, according to the New York Post, there's going to be a major announcement, maybe, maybe more things than one that usually is that President Trump talks about at a press conference. But they're, they're saying he's going to speak to the country and answer questions from reporters. I'm talking about President Trump today, two o', clock, Eastern time from the Oval Office. And one of the things he said to announce is that the US Space Command is relocating to Alabama from M. Colorado after President Biden's. President Biden canceled plans to build the military's branch headquarters in Alabama.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So that's one of.

>> Tim Wildmon: That could be a big story.

>> Chris Woodward: It could be, yeah. I mean it's all over the place.

>> Tim Wildmon: But he's going to talk, I'm assuming for Huntsville.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Where NASA's already has a right.

>> Chris Woodward: Mississippi, also has played a role in the space race and has for a long time. Although Huntsville has a lot more infrastructure now in terms of space stuff, how.

>> Tim Wildmon: Did we play a role in that?

>> Chris Woodward: The Stennis Space center in Mississippi, was very instrumental in terms of getting people to the moon. There's actually a famous saying that you can't go to the moon without first going through Mississippi.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's a famous M saying from the 60s.

>> Tim Wildmon: I've just met M sounds so skeptical.

>> Tim Wildmon: I've never heard that but Chris obviously has heard it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well that means tomorrow then on today's issues we'll have more to report from the 2pm meeting today.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yes. So we'll see what all. President Trump, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't troll Illinois today. The governor and the, and Mayor Ray.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Lisa lease a lot five minutes for it.

>> Tim Wildmon: There's no, there's no way he won't troll Pritzker and the guy up in Chicago. No.

>> Tim Wildmon: What he's gonna, what Trump will probably say Today, they'll say Mr. President, are you, are you sending the National Guard into Chicago? And he's gonna say I might, I might not. I don't know.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's what he's probably gonna not take.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Anything off the table.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. He's gonna say that because he knows that's going to make the liberals head spin off, knowing he's not going to do it. That's what we mean by trolling, sometimes President Trump, he's, he does that. never presents. Don't do that. Okay. In the past, Trump does.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, we've not seen this in the past.

Ray Wesley: President Trump may give an update on his health today

Let me ask you a question.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: About the president's health, because that's been interesting. You know, there's been an interesting side Note. He is 79 years old. how should we. We're conservatives. We're not. We don't play ball with people on the other side. But is there, is there a legitimate concern here?

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you got that place on his hand. Is it his left hand?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: That won't go away.

>> Chris Woodward: And it looks dark now, like it's gotten worse. According to images that may or may not be real.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. But it doesn't. He doesn't seem to be affecting his ability, you know, to communicate or to like it did for Biden.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Or to, or to get around and think. He played golf yesterday. They've, said it's, not, you know, not nothing serious. Now he, he probably may talk about that, today, President Trump, that's what the word, you know, I'm reading is that he may talk about. Give a health update. but yes, he's going to say he's healthy as a horse. Never felt better. You know what he's going to say? He's very, he, very, President Trump is very conscience conscious, I should say of his appearance.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, he's a TV star. Right, Right. So they want the makeup. Right. And they want, they want everything looking good. That's why he hires all these Fox TV people. Has he already answered to be, staffers?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Was he as. He already answered for his hand.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think the press secretary is Levitt.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: She said it was from shaking hands and, you know, all day and from. And that, that maybe when I first.

>> Chris Woodward: Saw the bruising or mark on his hand, I thought it was from like the strap of a golf club. Golf, club, I should say.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: well, it shouldn't be on that tight to bruise your hand.

>> Chris Woodward: She did that. He shook a lot of hands, though.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So. But I think he's going to say something about that today. about the situation.

>> Chris Woodward: It would be good.

>> Tim Wildmon: But you're right. 79 years. He's 79. Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: 79. Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So, you know, that's, you know, that's well past AARP recruitment.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you know, look, Tim, I'm only seven years behind the president, age wise. Right. And, you can't see it, but I get these bruises on my arms, on my hands, and Marlene says, where'd that come from? I don't really know. Maybe I barely bumped a door or something. And you, you see, you bruise.

>> Tim Wildmon: You bruise easier.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's what I'm trying to say. You bruise easier as you roll and.

>> Tim Wildmon: You run into more doors.

>> Chris Woodward: Both those things are true.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's true, too.

>> Tim Wildmon: I resemble that remark.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm 62. I'm a young man compared to.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, Compared to me. But you're coming in my direction.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm the same. Little bit of the same thing, you know? How did I get this scratch? What happened there?

>> Chris Woodward: anyway, if anybody is curious, Vice President J.D. vance is 41.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's 41 years old.

>> Chris Woodward: The first time in my lifetime that the Vice president has been younger than me.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wow. He's a young man. Hey, the. The. I got asked yesterday. Ray Wesley, by the way, you're listening to today's. I tell you what, we'll say this for after the break.

>> Chris Woodward: Okay?

When Nick Saban retires, there will be a big market for psychiatrists

>> Tim Wildmon: whatever. That's a good tease, right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: There you go.

>> Tim Wildmon: Now, I don't have any trolling,

>> Wesley Wildmon: Trolling, tips or advice. no, that's not your thing.

>> Tim Wildmon: I would say if the only troll. I would say, and this is, well, is that I told you about a year ago after Nick Saban retired.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Whenever it was two years ago, I said, there's going to be a big market, for psychiatrist in Alabama.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: When Nick Saban retires and down to earth, we come for Alabama fans. And, so I think you're a prophet. You know, somebody should have set up a therapy.

>> Chris Woodward: It's like. It's like the Dubose years, but in 2025.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, you talk about, a great run.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, absolutely.

>> Tim Wildmon: Alabama, well, they've had a great run for many decades, but with Nick Saban, I think they won six national championships.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But in May 9th.

>> Tim Wildmon: What's the old expression? Nothing lasts forever. Yeah, that's right. Good or bad, usually. We'll be back in a minute. Stay with us.

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Do you prefer Vice President J.D. Vance or Secretary of State Marco Rubio

Hey, welcome back everybody to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Wesley, Chris and Ray. So the question I was going to pose, Ray, that I got to you, that I got asked yesterday, in the way too early Republican presidential, you know, race, so to speak, post Trump. Right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: is do you Prefer Vice President J.D. vance or Secretary of State Marco Rubio? Because it's, you know, Vance is almost certain going to run.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're going to run and Rubio has been rumored, you know, he wants another shot at that, you know, at the White House. So do you prefer either one of those guys, you like them equally or what?

>> Tim Wildmon: I like them both. JD's done a terrific job as Vice President. He's been bold and strong.

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean I would, I'd give an A plus on what he's done as vp.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So if he becomes the nominee, I'll give him my enthusiastic support, I suppose. I suppose between those two, I might go for Marco Rubio only because he's, he's the one guy I know, Tim, who could take, who has even the possibility, possibility of uniting. You might call the MAGA faction, which is huge Right. In the Republican Party and traditional conservative Republicans because Marco came up through the Republican ranks and I like that idea of a candidate who could appeal broadly inside the Republican Party.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I like one that's a little more divisive.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh you do?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: No, first of all, let me say this. I agree with you 100%, Ray, that Marco Rubio would do exactly, I believe would do exactly as you were anticipating. And in fact I wouldn't be opposed to that coming off a Trump term.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm not opposed to that however, just my personal preference. I do like the quote, non politician that and Trump was the first one, Right. Ever, first ever to not be quote, in politics but then elected as a president, Is that right? I don't know, maybe there's another one.

>> Tim Wildmon: May. I have to think back.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But yeah, but the point is, is that, not having gone through, having the chain of politics in order to become a leader. I like that. I think there's obviously some perspective there that's helpful. I think Marco Ruby would do a great job, but I would. I would like to see J.D. vance.

If you had to pick between Vance and Rubio, who would you choose

now here's. Here's a hybrid, but it's not in the discussion. The one that I believe is in between both. It would be, Florida.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, no name. Mr. M. No name.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Are you talking about Governor Ron DeSantis?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Ron DeSantis. I believe he's the closest to being a hybrid of not being contaminated with the swamp, but yet at the same time, he is a politician.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, he. Governor, DeSantis will be available.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Because he terms out this next year, I think. And, of course, he ran against Trump in the Republican primary, as did a couple of others, but got. Got. Got. Didn't get anywhere.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's a way too early right on that.

>> Tim Wildmon: But, yeah, you know, you may be hearing from him again, Governor Ron DeSantis. But I would say, almost always in history, it's whoever the VP Is.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: But whoever. Whoever the vice president is of a sitting president, will be the nominee of that party. I can't think of a time when that wasn't the case.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, but that wasn't the question. The question is who do you want? Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: well, that's true, that. Between Vance and Rubio, because I think.

>> Wesley Wildmon: The assessment that Pastor A gave was the best.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know what I, do like what Ray said, if I had to pick between those two. That's a hard decision. Really hard. That's 50.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Is that why you ask and then try to step away from answering?

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I asked without answering because I don't really have a definitive answer at this point. I would probably lean toward Vance, just because I do as Ray sided. He. I, like everything he's done and said so far as vp. And I think he's highly intelligent, and a, man of conviction too, but common sense.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And he's. He's got a great personality.

>> Chris Woodward: If I had.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's also the senator from a, state. Now, Ohio has been read for a while, but from a. From a state that you would need. Of course, you would need Florida too. But I think Florida is pretty well read, at least for now. Go ahead.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. I was going to say, before we Even think about 2028, if I was a conservative or some sort of person, that's hired by campaigns to help people get elected. I would make sure that they're really focusing on the 2026 midterms. I think this particular midter that we've got coming up is probably the most important midterm election we've ever had. Because if it goes back to Democrats, the Trump agenda is just derailed at that point.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: so I would, I would focus on 2026 and then have the conversation about 2028.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, yeah.

Chris: Who do you prefer for vice president, Rubio or Vance

>> Tim Wildmon: All right.

>> Tim Wildmon: But who do you prefer? Chris?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, don't dodge the question, Chris.

>> Tim Wildmon: You can't dodge it.

>> Chris Woodward: I would say it's going to be Vance, because like Tim, a lot of times the sitting vice president is going to get the baton or at least the opportunity.

>> Tim Wildmon: But you have no preference between the two. Ruby, you like them both.

>> Chris Woodward: I can, you know, I like them both. And quite honestly, they could run together on a ticket, which would give you Ohio and Florida on a ticket and.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's true.

>> Chris Woodward: No Republican wins the White House without Ohio. And everybody and their brother needs Florida.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Vance Rubio company. I don't know if Rubio, would want to be VP for Vance because Rubio. Is he 50? What is he looking up? You see, he. Now he, he looks, he's on that. He looks younger.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I know what you advance.

>> Tim Wildmon: As you said, vance is only 41. Is that what somebody. Correct.

>> Chris Woodward: Marco Rubio is 54. He was born in 1971.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's 54.

>> Chris Woodward: In 2028, he would be what, 58, 50.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know if a 50. 56. 50. 56 year old wants to be VP for a 43 year old. I'm, just saying that. I'm just asking that question. Yeah, but, but anyway, the point is that I wanted to make is there's a lot of talk that Rube. Marco Rubio does want to run, in 2028. He ran in, he ran against Trump once. Right. He's been a senator from Florida for a long time. As Ray, as you said, Rubio, runs in the MAGA and the, and the traditional conservative circles, and there's a lot of overlapping there.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: But, he would. And Rubio is well known, of course, Vance is well known. So that would be a tough one, if they duked it out in a primary to see who won between. Rubio advance. But I'm just saying the money, if you were a betting man, the money would be on the, Whoever the BP is, because that's Usually who has all the connections from the party and also what you would think would probably have President Trump's endorsement.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. It would be good too if they got their like fighting out of the way behind closed doors. Because if they come out in a debate swinging at one another, the media will have a field day over that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh yeah. Against maga, but they usually do. You know, you're not. Politics is.

>> Chris Woodward: Don't call him little more.

>> Tim Wildmon: You have to do something to distinguish between yourself. I think the days of name calling will be over when Trump's gone. I'm talking about.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You talking about in the in a debate type, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. The little petty names that Trump has.

>> Chris Woodward: Although this, this version of Donald Trump is not the one we saw in the first term. He has been more cordial. There hasn't been as much name calling is what I'm trying to say.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: At ah, least publicly. I don't know.

>> Tim Wildmon: Trump feels bad about.

>> Wesley Wildmon: No, it's because he won. It's over.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm just kidding. Yeah.

Chris: Rubio v. Band Vance could be a big presidential race next year

>> Wesley Wildmon: all right, all right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So Rubio v. Band Vance. There may be some other names, but I would think one of those two would ultimately be the Republican nominee.

>> Wesley Wildmon: unless you're trying to sell a book and then you got to get your name in there real quick there toward the end is for a couple weeks and then. We've seen that before and we.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yep. Yeah. And as you said, Governor Ron DeSantis is there too. but I think he would probably be more of a, like a cabinet level position.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. Maybe put him in Secretary of the Navy or something. You could get him in the administration.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah. I feel, I think we'll be hearing from Ron DeSantis. He's like Vance, he's a young guy.

>> Chris Woodward: But you're right, that's going to be a big race, to watch next year. it looks like it might be Representative Byron Donald's running in a primary against the guy that DeSantis just put in charge to be lieutenant governor.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: if, if everything worked out well.

>> Tim Wildmon: Florida and Ohio used to be, they would be purple, I guess you could say states. But they've been trending. Both Ohio and Florida have both been. Two big states have been trending red for a while now.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So we'll see what happens. You listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. What's your next story, Chris?

>> Chris Woodward: Well, this one we came across, I think Tim actually found it from Daily.

>> Tim Wildmon: That would Be me.

>> Chris Woodward: Cabin chaos as SkyWest flight drops 4,400ft in seconds. Sending screaming passengers to hospital. If I was on this flight, I would have been one of those people screaming 4400ft in seconds. They were trying to avoid some bad weather. There was, quote, violent turbulence. And the pilot, trying to help ensure the safety of the flight, did some maneuvers to basically get around it, get under it, and they dropped 4400ft in seconds.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, you're smiling, laughing, Chris, but this wasn't a smiling, laughing.

>> Chris Woodward: No, I would be terrified.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so nobody was hurt? No, there's no plane crash. This was a flight, Ray, from Colorado to Texas. Have you ever heard of drop a plane dropping a commercial plane dropping 4,000ft in how long?

>> Chris Woodward: in seconds.

>> Tim Wildmon: It just says that's impossible. Does it say second?

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, I mean, you're, you're going this way, and all of a sudden you're going down.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's a nose dive.

>> Tim Wildmon: What did they hit one of those?

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, it says violent turbulence.

>> Tim Wildmon: Violent turbulence. So. So it sounds like to me it was out of control. It was out of control of the pilots. That's what it sounds.

>> Chris Woodward: Suddenly dropped from a cruising altitude of 39,000ft to 34,000.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And they didn't warn. They, they didn't warn the folks because they didn't know it was going to happen, I guess, which is kind of scary if you think about it.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, well.

>> Tim Wildmon: And there was at least one guy who hit the ceiling, which means he didn't, he didn't have his seatbelt on. Right, Right.

>> Chris Woodward: So they tell you even when the, Even when you're not supposed to be.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wearing your seatbelt, unless you're going to the restroom where you keep your seatbelt on because.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wear your seatbelt.

>> Tim Wildmon: Because turbulence can happen anytime.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Unexpectedly. But this, what was this? A United or American?

>> Chris Woodward: What was Sky West? Sky west, probably owned by a bigger company, SkyWest.

>> Tim Wildmon: Flight from Colorado. Where did it say where it originated, where it was going?

>> Chris Woodward: flying from Aspen to Houston on Thursday.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. But 4,000ft is. That's a nosedive. You would think, you would think, especially if you got caught up, if you got it without warning, you would think for 4,000ft, you're thinking, this is the end.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So this is where my, this is how my mind begins to work in stories like this.

A passenger describes flying up like a rag doll during turbulence on a flight

I go, now I want to know just how bad the turbulence was, because that's pretty bad. Like, is it even.

>> Tim Wildmon: Is it what now?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Is it even with the destruction? or the, the, Flight. Because dropping that fast, that quick, I'm going, I don't know, maybe. Maybe. Do we want the turbulence?

>> Chris Woodward: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't know what's worse.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah, well, the turbulence caused the descent, right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, okay. I thought they were trying to avoid the turbulence. Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: oh, I see what you're saying. I think they were.

>> Chris Woodward: I was trying to get around some of the bad weather here.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.

>> Chris Woodward: A passenger described how a grown man flew up like a rag doll as turbulence rocked the cabin. I looked down and there was a cell phone in my lap. That wasn't mine. The passenger continued, I guess it flew up and landed in my lap.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so it sounds like the SkyWest Pilot, to your point, Wesley, was trying to avoid the, turbulence, and it didn't work.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's what I'm hearing.

>> Tim Wildmon: Because you don't. For dropping 4,000ft, as I said, in seconds. That's. I've never heard of something like that, unless you're just dropping out of the sky.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: So that's, that absolutely terrifying. I bet there'll be some people on that flight who will never fly again, right? M.

>> Tim Wildmon: I might be counted as one of them to go through something when terrifying is that.

>> Chris Woodward: When I was coming back from Israel last week, we were, we had landed in Newark, and we had our layover there, and we were flying from Newark, New Jersey, to Memphis. And the pilot gets down there, and he's like, good morning, passengers. we're gonna have a great day. Great, great weather out here. We're gonna get a little bit of a headwind when we take off, but, not too worried about that or whatever. And in my mind, I'm thinking, how much is a little bit of a headwind?

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right.

>> Chris Woodward: So anyway, JJ and I both had said, hey, we're going to try to stay awake during the layover. We'll nap on the plane. That way we'll be fresh for the drive home. Because once we got to Memphis, we still had 90 minutes to drive in the van. But anyway, we're laying there. We're. We're laying there. We're sitting there in our seats on the plane, and I've got an eye mask on already. This is before we've even taken off. So I'm sitting there in my neck pillow. I got my eye mask on, and that little bit of a headwind felt like we were swimming up into the sky. This guy. I mean, it was like this. Tim. That's what it felt like.

>> Tim Wildmon: He was, moving around.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes. I Was. And then. And then there was a child behind us that was scared. Understandably, I was too. it was. It was not the best experience.

>> Tim Wildmon: What's your, Well, you know, that heavy turbulence that. Especially if you get people who are inexperienced fires that heavy. The turbulence that's rocking the whole plane around. Of course, it doesn't bother me because I've done it so many times, as a. As somebody who's a veteran flyer. But, you see the. You see the newbies on there because they're looking around going, is this normal? Somebody please tell me their face says it all. Normal.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Their face say it all.

>> Tim Wildmon: I just sort of look at them and throw my hands in, you know, throw my hands in the air. Like, I don't know.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But we're all find out together.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but we got a 50, 50 going on here.

Ray, what's your most memorable flight experience

Ray, what's your. What's your most. do you have one particular.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, well, the one that I remember most. We were making a trip over to Europe and it was overnight flight, as often is going from. From the US Into Europe and, you know, leave in the evening and arrive in, in the early morning over there. And we're about four hours into it, which means we're lost. We're just.

>> Tim Wildmon: You look over Newfoundland.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and you look out the window and it's just dark. Right. You know that 35,000ft down below you is the Atlantic Ocean. And we hit one of kind of like what you're talking about. Not as drastic as that, but that is truly terrifying.

>> Tim Wildmon: Without warning. You mean you hit turbulence and you.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. Without warning. And it's. You're. You're kind of. You know how you can sleep and be awake at the same time? The plane. You kind of dozing, quasi. right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And all of a sudden you hit this and you wake up and you look out and, it just clouds around and you know that there's the ocean down underneath you. So if you go down, there's no way.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right. Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's all over right now.

>> Tim Wildmon: There's no. There's no airport to go down and land on. Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're not gonna make it to Greenland.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: If we go down, we're going all the way down. That's just for m. Okay, so maybe it's only 10 seconds to your mind clears. Right. But in that 10 seconds, you're thinking, this is it, baby.

>> Tim Wildmon: Why did it. Did it. Was it that severe? They mean that just like rock. Rock the plane.

>> Tim Wildmon: There was Some mid Atlantic storm that we flew right into.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And again, it's okay. It's. I say it's okay. You feel better about it if the pilot comes on and warns you?

>> Chris Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. We're going to experience turbulence in the next hour. Be prepared. Okay, then I'm prepared. But if you got just all of a sudden, wham, bam, and the plane rocks and you start nose diving, you think. Well, yeah, he didn't warn me about this, which means he didn't. He didn't know either. Yeah, I never. My dad, who flew all over the country and he flew to Europe and Israel and all over the place and I remember him telling me this one story, Ray. I've told it before, but he said, the worst flight he was ever on was It was like a springtime flight from Dallas to Memphis. From Dallas to Memphis. Flying times probably an hour. An hour 15 maybe, maybe. And so it's not. It's a very short flight. And he said, But they got up in the air and got into one of these, you know, these thunder boomers and lighting was. Lightning was popping all around, the plane was rocking. And he said, you know, you look. You just look out the window and just. You're expecting just to be hit by lightning. It's just flashing everywhere. I don't know. Sometimes they get caught in this. I guess these planes do, you know, they try to avoid them. M. And they can, most of the time they can, fly around the thunderstorms. But anyway, he got caught in one and dad said, you know, there's some. There's one man cussing and another man praying. I guess you're true. Your true colors come out when it's all on the line.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And so he said that. Anyway, they. That said. I thought that was. And he flown a lot. He said, he said, I thought this was it, this was the end. I was thinking. I was saying, I hope I've got my life insurance paid up.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

Pilot says nothing during flight from Memphis to Miami

>> Tim Wildmon: For my wife and children, because this plane's not coming. This plane's gonna. About to fall out of the sky. Yeah, I mean, he was serious. I mean, so it was that bad. So. But anyway, he said. The pilot said nothing. Just nothing. And Course, I guess, what are you supposed to say? I mean, hey, ladies and gentlemen, huh?

>> Chris Woodward: Huh?

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, I don't know what he's. He didn't say anything. There was nothing, no communication over there which says the pilot was focused on the job at hand. He Said they got. They landed in Memphis. They taxied up to the, you know, to the gate, turned off the plane, and finally the pilot came on. He said, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Memphis. I just want to tell you I'm as happy to be here as you are.

>> Tim Wildmon: We appreciate honesty from the cockpit.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: But I guess he couldn't say that mid flight.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know if we're gonna. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the pilot from the cockpit. Just wanted you to know, I don't know, we got 50, 50 chance, ah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Of making it time to say, your prayers.

>> Tim Wildmon: Say your prayers and count your blessings.

>> Chris Woodward: Alex was on.

>> Tim Wildmon: We will not be serving any. Any snacks.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, Alex was on here one time, and we were sharing similar stories like this. And if I remember the story correctly, Alex was talking about how there was an issue with, like, the power on the plane or something. And he. And the pilot comes on and says, we're gonna have to, turn all the lights off and. And power down or whatever. And then hopefully the system will reboot or something like that. And Alex, hopefully.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I don't like that word.

>> Chris Woodward: Alex.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hopefully.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hopefully. Oh, man. I know one time, we were. No, this was about a year ago or so. Year, and a half ago, Allison and I were flying to Miami, and this is the second time this happened. But. So we were flying, I think, from. We were flying from Memphis to Miami and landing in Miami. Got down with them like 100 yards of the ground, and then the plane just shot straight back up into the air like a. Like a. Like an Air Force jet.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, what it. We obviously, we had made a close call with hitting another plane.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Interesting.

>> Tim Wildmon: Because that's the reason, you know, you don't. You don't just jet way. You almost land, almost hitting the Runway, and then you just take.

>> Tim Wildmon: Soar.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Straight up. So that's what happened right there. But that was a. Yeah. You know, that was, Hey, what. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Did it. Did that just happen? Yeah, you know, it's one of those moments.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, I know that if the, ticket sales go down for airplane tickets over the next day and a half, I think we're going to be accused of some of that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, really? I think people have.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We just don't need to say any more names. Okay? No airline names. No airline.

Bird strikes are an issue with motor vehicles, not just planes

>> Tim Wildmon: I know some people that, you know, won't fly.

>> Chris Woodward: It is. It is much more statistically safe if that's grammatically correct. Driving in a car.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It is.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah. I'm fine with flying, and I understand those statistics. But here's the thing people fear, I think, about flying, is they don't have their hands on the wheel.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes, that's true. I. I was in a bird strike incident one time driving a car. So even that's an issue with motor vehicles, not just planes.

>> Tim Wildmon: You flew into a bird?

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Bird flew into you?

>> Chris Woodward: A bird. A flock of birds flew into me.

>> Tim Wildmon: That was a group. What it.

>> Chris Woodward: Back in the lack of seagulls with the hair.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, that was seagull.

>> Chris Woodward: Couldn't tell you what they recorded. I'm sure it was Carpenter songs. But, we were driving somewhere for, like, a birthday party, and, it was. We were going across some farmland. it was a highway in between two, plots of farmland. But anyway, this. These birds, like, flew up out of the crops and, like, I mean. I mean, I hit them, like, head on. so even bird strikes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Did they crack your windshield?

>> Chris Woodward: No, it was the bottom of the car. It didn't do that much damage, if any. it scared the person behind us because we were riding in a caravan of where we were going.

An ancient mural of Jesus Christ healing the sick has been uncovered in Egypt

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, slow news day, people. So, we're trying to fill some time here. Yes, we do. We do have some things to talk about, some more news stories. You're listening to Today's Issues. Tim, Wesley, Chris and Ray, go ahead.

>> Chris Woodward: Well, I posted this on our Today's Issues Facebook page for people to read for themselves. But an ancient mural of Jesus Christ healing the sick has been uncovered in the ruins of an Egyptian settlement from 1600 years ago. the mural of Jesus along with the churches. actually, I lost my place here. it shows Jesus healing the sick, and it shows the transition from pagan worship to Jesus, Christ, 1600 years ago. All the more reason why, archeology is important. And they are finding things that do show people in years past did worship our Lord and Savior.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ray, how far, do you know? And, as you look at church history, let's not talk about Europe for right now. Or even, eastward from. From Israel. I'm talking about the expansion of Christianity. how far south did it reach? Because Egypt is not too far from Israel, but still you have a Muriel of Jesus Christ they found, which they say is 1600 years old in Egypt, and Egypt was not. anyway, what. Can you comment on that?

>> Tim Wildmon: There are traces of Christian influence going back, I think, even further than that in Egypt, which shouldn't surprise us because, Tim, you know, Alexandria was a huge Jewish, there's Jewish library there in Alexandria. And not surprising as the gospel spread, you know, Paul said to the Jews first and also to the Greeks went to Alexandria, went down throughout, different parts of Egypt. And of course this would be before Islam, which comes much later in history.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So Christianity was in Egypt long time before Islam.

>> Tim Wildmon: But, Alexandria, is that what you said?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: In Egypt even today is a huge home of what's called Coptic Christians.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's exactly right. Right. They trace their history way back almost to the beginning.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. All right. We'll be back with more of today's issues. Steve Paisley Jordal is back from his Alaskan cruise and is going to come in here and talk to us. We'll be back in five minutes. The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.

Tim, Wesley and Ray talk with Chris on top news headlines of the day including a discussion on President Trump regarding the crime in Chicago.