>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

Tim Wildmon Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Today's Issues, the name of this program, if you want to send us an email, as long as it's positive and encouraging, we call those K love emails.

Steve Jordahl Don't send them to Caleb, though.

Tim Wildmon No, Caleb, they get enough emails, but, they. Caleb refers to themselves.

Steve Jordahl They send us some, some Today's Issues emails.

Tim Wildmon Yes. As positive and encouraging with their music and inspiration. And I have no problem with that. I'm just saying that we're going to use that for our email request. So if you email us, make it be positive and encouraging and inspire us in some way if you can. Right, Ed?

Ed Vitagliano I love being inspired. That's what I'm talking about.

Tim Wildmon I like that attitude.

Ed Vitagliano We, you got folks, you got to fill us back up. I understand that we inspire you.

Tim Wildmon Yes, we do.

Ed Vitagliano Every day. All day.

Tim Wildmon Every day.

Ed Vitagliano That's right. So we need to be filled back up with inspiration.

Tim Wildmon Talking about. Yeah, it's like, pass, it forward.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah. Pay it forward or pay it forward. Pass it forward. Is what State will try to do in a football. In the football game.

Tim Wildmon Yes. And hopefully be more successful this year. So, Tim, Ed and Fred. And we welcome now Steve Paisley. Jordo.

Mike Rowe: AI is the kind of unknown elephant in the room

Steve Jordahl Good morning everybody.

Tim Wildmon To our, studio. What's on your mind, Steve?

Steve Jordahl Oh, so much on my mind. Let's start by talking about AI.

Tim Wildmon Okay.

Steve Jordahl AI is the kind of unknown elephant in the room and is. I've done stories for American Family News. It says it's going to destroy us all.

Tim Wildmon AI is.

Steve Jordahl AI is. I talked to.

Tim Wildmon I watched several movies that say that's going to happen.

Steve Jordahl There's some people who say that know what they're talking about to say that's not real fiction. I've had, stories that talk about, them. IT curing blindness and doing all sorts of medical wonders.

Ed Vitagliano Right.

Steve Jordahl One of the things that we have been told, that we told our young people is that AI is coming for all the McDonald's jobs and everything. If you want to make a living, learn how to code. Learn how to write computer code. Write programs for computers. Because, you know, that's. That's the next. That's the future.

Ed Vitagliano And by the way, we have a very fine IT department here at, afa.

Steve Jordahl Afr, at least for the next month.

Ed Vitagliano And they have. They have written programs for us that help us work more efficiently.

Tim Wildmon Well, Mike, this is the reason I Didn't go into this field is because of what Steve's about to say, because I saw it coming.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, you did, sure.

Steve Jordahl Micro, Dirty Jobs guy. He was at a, at a conference, given a little talk and everything. And, and he's pushing back a little bit against that advice to, to young people to learn how to code cut 14.

Mike Rowe We've been telling kids for 15 years to code, learn to code. We said, yeah, well, AI is coming for the coders. They're not coming for the welders, they're not coming for the plumbers, they're not coming for the steam fitters or the pipe fitters or the H Vac. They're not coming for the electricians. You know that ideas, festival I was telling you about in Aspen? I sat there and listened to Larry Fink say, we need 500,000 electricians in the next couple of years. Not hyperbole.

Steve Jordahl That was, Mike Rowe. He was at the Pennsylvania Energy Innovation Summit. I think the same one that, President Trump was at.

Fred Jackson Yeah, I'm a big fan of Mike Rowe.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, I am.

Fred Jackson He, he is just down to earth. I loved his Dirty Jobs series. And he does the one that goes out on the boats with the, does the narration.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, that's by Dirty Jobs. It was Jobs that nobody else wants to.

Fred Jackson Jobs that nobody wants to do. But he. This is so practical because I see, Steve, what you're saying with your story is that you can tell AI Now. I want to, I want a program to do this. And AI will spit it out in minutes.

Steve Jordahl It will code it for you in seconds.

Fred Jackson In seconds, yeah. But as Mike Rowe is saying, AI cannot put a roof on a house. Can't fix your air conditioner, can't put plumbing in.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, there's a lot of jobs. Robotics, which is associated with AI, not going to be able to do. Oh, no, you can do. You can use robotics. I'm saying that's part of AI. You, can use that in, our automation. You can use that in, you know, in, in jobs that, like factories or plants or things of that nature. But to use it in what he described, those are jobs that are always going to be around. Yeah.

Steve Jordahl there needs to be discussion about AI in the church. Our good friend Bob McGinnis, who' a military analyst for us, but he is writing a book called AI for the Future. I think that's what it's called. It's going to be released, pretty soon, and when it does, I've asked us if we can have him on for part of this 11 o' clock hour to talk. Because he is doing a deep dive into not only what AI means for the future of mankind, but he puts it in terms of, what's biblical? What does it mean? What is what, how does it relate to biblical prophecy? All that kind of stuff's good. Good, research.

How long before we have pastors, uh, appear by hologram

Tim Wildmon So how long before we have pastors, appear by hologram?

Steve Jordahl Probably do that now with, with AI.

Ed Vitagliano Well, now that's different.

Tim Wildmon Just preach a sermon by hologram.

Ed Vitagliano By hologram. You can totally. You.

Tim Wildmon Am I right?

Ed Vitagliano No, it's.

Steve Jordahl Holy gram word. Holo.

Ed Vitagliano Hologram.

Tim Wildmon Oh, holo.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, hologram. Okay, well, now that's. Are you talking about a real pastor appearing at a, off campus? you're not talking about a fake pastor? Yeah, that isn't, that is a video. I've. Listen, I've seen videos created entirely by AI and they look Hollywood quality now. Except for fingers, for some reason.

Steve Jordahl Now they got that solved now too.

Ed Vitagliano Do they really?

Steve Jordahl Yes.

Ed Vitagliano Okay, so, it really is incredible. The, the. When you unleash the, basically unlimited computing power. it's, it's. I, I've never, I've never even accessed sermons online like the Internet. You can get full sermons online. That's not plagiarism. It's.

Steve Jordahl It's called plagiarism. But who.

Ed Vitagliano I've never done that. I can't imagine. I'm just a real pastor. No, you know, wanting to, copy and paste some.

Fred Jackson If you're however, you know, on the pastor thing. We've discussed this before because with, Ray Richard, when we've had him on, because I think Ray Pritchard actually said, just for fun, he asked AI to give me a three point sermon on Psalm 23. And he spit it. five minutes.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah. Oh, so five minutes. Surprised it took that long.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, so probably for him to read it.

Fred Jackson I know pastors research. Do research for their sermons.

Ed Vitagliano Well, that's different. Research is different.

Fred Jackson Okay, but could you jam AI producing something on a particular passage of scripture under the heading of research?

Ed Vitagliano Well, to me, research is just searching for the information that you want to use.

Fred Jackson Bible commentaries, but yeah, you can.

Ed Vitagliano Bible commentaries. I'm. What I was talking about is getting the sermon. listen, this just. Maybe I'm old school, but before I do sermons, I pray, I, I read, and I ask the Holy Spirit to give me the things to say that God wants to say. That's what I'm talking about is, is. Is Giving that task over to AI to me, there's something seems wrong with that, but, you know, outlines. You can find outlines in Matthew, Henry commentaries, that kind of thing. If you're going to add to or try to corral your information and maybe get some help that way, that's probably. I'm talking about the. The task of finding out what God wants you to say to the congregation on Sunday and what needs to be in it. To me, that needs to be spirit led. And I get a little nervous sometimes about what kinds of spirits may be driving AI.

Steve Jordahl One of the first companies that I came across when I started doing research is one of the things I report on is artificial intelligence for us, and is a company, called Pulpit AI. Pulpit AI will take a pastor's message and he will make a social media strategy out of it. It'll take the message, it'll divide it up into daily Bible studies that you can send your congregation. It'll post, tweets about it. It has a whole social media. It's your social media team. It doesn't add content, it doesn't change content, but it does disseminate content very effectively and creatively well.

Ed Vitagliano And I think Ray Pritchard mentioned also the, cloning, of his voice. Yes, it was that. Wasn't that Ray?

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano Where AI cloned his voice and then his sermons that were written. If someone wanted to hear the sermon, this AI program would, in his voice, read it.

Steve Jordahl Especially the sermons on Hezekiah.

Ed Vitagliano Yes.

Ed: How can churches and pastors use AI to help with counseling

Anyway, I've got to try to drag this discussion.

Tim Wildmon A lot of this is very disturbing because, how can we know what's real anymore in the coming years?

Steve Jordahl That's going to be a big challenge.

Ed Vitagliano That is.

Steve Jordahl It already is a challenge for us.

Ed Vitagliano News gatherers and apparently people who are baby boomers, like all of us.

Tim Wildmon I'm, on the tail end.

Ed Vitagliano I am less able to spot AI and video than young people. I see this all the time on social media. the boomer thinks this is real. It's AI and they can seem to recognize it right away.

Steve Jordahl Cats playing the orchestra is not real, by the way.

Ed Vitagliano I would like to have Bob McGinnis on to discuss that when he gets his book out.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, I've already asked us, and you've already told me I can.

Ed Vitagliano Oh, okay.

Tim Wildmon What about one other question related to how can churches and pastors use AI? yeah, in a way that's productive. What about if you have counseling sessions m that are set up and you don't want to go to it. I mean, there's pastors that have been there, and they don't want to see Sister Lucy coming.

Ed Vitagliano Oh, I've been there.

Tim Wildmon Okay. you know, and so you just have your A.I. sit in there and do the.

Ed Vitagliano Counseling session for you or do it online.

Tim Wildmon Do it online.

Ed Vitagliano Kind of like a zoom call.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano And it's a.

Tim Wildmon And that's what I'm talking about.

Ed Vitagliano It's a fake.

Tim Wildmon Everybody. Everybody benefits. Yeah, right there. I think AI is, probably given better answers than you would. Am I right?

Ed Vitagliano Well, I probably have a lot.

Tim Wildmon I'm sorry, Sister, what did you say? former congregation. I got distracted.

Ed Vitagliano Oh, somebody tell me, Brother Ed, you. You think it is okay that I saw my husband with a two by four?

Tim Wildmon So I have to ask you one question. I have many questions. Of course. My dad was a preacher, too, for many years, so I was a pk. I know the ins and outs and ups and downs of that world. But I have to ask you, you served as a pastor. When you go out in the community. Not on Sunday morning where you have to stand in the back of the church or whatever and shake hands, you don't have a choice. You have to listen, be pleasant. But you're at Walmart or you're at the grocery store and you see the person, you know, and maybe they're not gonna dump on you, but they're gonna talk about something for 20 minutes.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Tim Wildmon Because they're. That they're the one of those talkers. You know what I'm saying?

Ed Vitagliano Oh, yeah.

Tim Wildmon And you can't get away.

Ed Vitagliano Exactly. I know.

Tim Wildmon So. So what do you do? Do you. Do you intentionally. Do you intentionally, Ed, Go to the, See, that. And then you go to.

Steve Jordahl Go to the liquor aisle?

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon You go to. No, well, not the liquor aisle, but you go to the. You go to. You go a couple hours over because you just don't have time.

Ed Vitagliano All right, so you want the answer? The honest answer is it depends if they see me first.

Tim Wildmon Oh, that's.

Ed Vitagliano If they see me first and they make eye contact, then, it's. You know, you're obligated.

Tim Wildmon You're obligated.

Ed Vitagliano But if I see them first and they're not looking at me, I'm heading in another direction. I'm just giving. You said you want.

Tim Wildmon I just want an honest answer.

Ed Vitagliano That's right. Now, if it's. If it's someone who's suffered a loss or something, I would never avoid them. But if it's somebody that I know, I'm going to.

Tim Wildmon I'm just talking about the talker.

Ed Vitagliano 20. Yes.

Tim Wildmon Because we. We all know there's 10 or 20% of our fellow Americans, and it doesn't matter if they're Christians or not.

Ed Vitagliano You just can't shut them up.

Tim Wildmon They're going. They're going to. You know, you're sitting.

Tim Ferriss: Apostle Paul used to turn people's flesh over to Satan

You know you're going to be sitting there for 15 minutes. Okay.

Ed Vitagliano And I would not be above taking a book off, putting it next to my head as I. As I walked out.

Tim Wildmon Like a box of cereal.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon To block your head.

Ed Vitagliano A box of Lucky Charms.

Fred Jackson I'm sure the Apostle Paul did that. Well, I freely admit I'm hiding behind that tree.

Ed Vitagliano I am nowhere near the Apostle Paul level.

Tim Wildmon Listen, I'm reading again the letters of the Apostle Paul. He was pretty human.

Steve Jordahl He might be the guy that they avoid in some ways.

Tim Wildmon What was the letter? He opens up, he goes, hey, you fools.

Ed Vitagliano I think it might have been Galatians. he also used to turn people's flesh over to Satan.

Fred Jackson Yes.

Ed Vitagliano Now, have you ever done that? If I had. No. If I had that kind of authority with God.

Tim Wildmon Right.

Ed Vitagliano I might say no. Not when you're not talking to me today.

Fred Jackson Are you. Are you saying there's a little bit of Donald Trump in the apostle?

Tim Wildmon So you haven't ever told, somebody you counseling that you're turning.

Ed Vitagliano Or.

Tim Wildmon What did you say?

Ed Vitagliano Turning their flesh over. Yeah.

Tim Wildmon You haven't ever used expression.

Ed Vitagliano I have not. I've wanted to.

Tim Wildmon Again, honesty.

Ed Vitagliano That's what we.

Steve Jordahl That would be a hilarious little Twitter account. Paul. Apostle Paul's Twitter account.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. Oh, man. Well, you know, you think about Paul is like, you know, some, glowing, you know, right under Jesus. And he was. He's one of the greatest Christian figures in human history. But. But he also was very human.

Fred Jackson Yeah.

Tim Wildmon he got, he got ticked off.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon By a lot of.

Fred Jackson Remember when he didn't want to take Mark with him on the. On the Next journey?

Ed Vitagliano Right.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano caused a little split.

Fred Jackson Yeah. I'm not taking that kid with me.

Steve Jordahl And guess what happened?

Ed Vitagliano And then later on, Mark matured.

Fred Jackson Yes.

Ed Vitagliano And Paul wanted.

Tim Wildmon Right.

Fred Jackson Yeah.

Tim Wildmon All right, hold on. Let me reintroduce this show.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Because we are far afield. Today's issues. The name of this show on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr, Tim, Ed, Fred and Steve goes to you.

Mike Howell asks Congressman Jason Chaffetz questions about ICE detention facilities

Steve Jordahl All right, so the discussion in Congress and around, the country, political discussion, has been about these detention centers that Donald Trump is setting up, Alligator.

Tim Wildmon Alcatraz they're timeout centers.

Steve Jordahl They're timeout. Okay. Timeout centers. Well, the Democrats like to say that they're inhumane. I saw one complain, that you have to go to the bathroom in the same place you have to brush your teeth. Which I'm thinking, has she not been in a modern home lately? But anyway, there is a Congresswoman, from Arizona. Her name is Yasmin, Ansar.

Tim Wildmon Okay.

Steve Jordahl And she was taking on a, expert witness there. And his name is Mike Howell. He's from the Heritage Foundation. And she wasn't really prepared. The first question is about these so called inhumane conditions at these, these facilities. Cut 16.

Yasmin Ansar So, Mr. Howell, I have a couple of questions for you. Very straightforward, yes or no. Do you support this type of treatment of human. Human beings?

Mike Howell I'm sorry, I wasn't listening. All the other Democrats haven't asked a question, so I kind of wasn't paying attention. Can you restate it?

Yasmin Ansar Do you think that is acceptable treatment of human beings by the United States.

Mike Howell Of America for illegal aliens to be detained throughout their immigration proceedings?

Yasmin Ansar Yes, to be treated.

Mike Howell I'm not taking your word for it.

Yasmin Ansar Okay. Do you believe that members of Congress are legally allowed to conduct oversight of, ICE detention facilities?

Mike Howell As we've written extensively, the Oversight Project, because we're trying to help keep your colleagues out of jail, you as an individual member do not have oversight authority. Oversight authority by the rules of the House, flows through the full House to the chairman. And that right now is held by the majority. It is legally statute that you site. It's going to end up with more Democrats clogging our jails. I want to keep you out of.

Yasmin Ansar Jail, claiming my time. Thank you. It is actually legal for members of Congress to go to detention center facilities that are operated by our government and to conduct oversight that actually is legally allowed.

Mike Howell That is incorrect.

Steve Jordahl I love this.

Tim Wildmon Who was that going back and forth?

Steve Jordahl That was. Yes, yes. Yasmin Ansar, Democrat, from Arizona. And Mike Howell of the Heritage foundation, who's tired of all this, like ah, many Republicans I think are so.

Ed Vitagliano He, he was before this, he.

Steve Jordahl Was a witness on the panel.

Ed Vitagliano And the Democrats, rather than ask him questions, just use their time prior to talk over him.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Ed Vitagliano To just berate him. And so when he was finally asked the question, he said, I'm sorry, I wasn't listening. All the other Democrats. No, none of them have asked me a question. That, that is, that. That's some excellent back and forth.

Fred Jackson Yeah, good for Him.

Steve Jordahl Absolutely.

Tim Wildmon okay, so, but, but congrat, Congressman. should they do have. I know he answered, no, you don't. But they do have oversight. Not in a direct sense, but they do have the legal authority to have oversight in a.

Steve Jordahl in a federal facility like that.

Tim Wildmon Federal facility like that.

Steve Jordahl There's a process.

Fred Jackson But what he is referring to, they don't have a right to break in to one of these detentions, show up.

Ed Vitagliano And demand to be locked.

Fred Jackson Which is what they tried to do in New Jersey back a few weeks ago.

Tim Wildmon Right.

Fred Jackson Tried to barge in. What this gentleman was pointing out. Yes, there is a procedure, but you got to go through the chairman of a committee to do it.

Tim Wildmon Right. I just wanted people not to any way, shape or form misinterpret what we're saying. We do believe because there may be, there's going to be a Democrat president one day and if they start doing stuff like throwing Christians in jail, we're going to want to say, yes, Congress has a right to know what's going on. that's what, that's what I wanted to say. Yeah, go ahead.

White House evacuated after trans alarm goes off

Steve Jordahl Some breaking news.

Tim Wildmon Breaking.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, we got some breaking news. there was an almost a break in at the White House. The onion reporting this cut 15 a.

Tim Wildmon Developing situation in Washington where just moments ago the White House was evacuated. Sources confirming that President Trump as well as many key members of his administration were rushed out of the building after the White House's trans alarm went off. Footage here showing the moment that infrared estrogen sensors detected a large spike in gender fluidity within dangerous proximity to the West Wing.

Ed Vitagliano Trans, Trans. Trans.

Tim Wildmon Trans.

Tim Wildmon Oh, and Jason Copeland joining us now from Washington with the latest. Jason, what can you tell us? Yeah, Dwight, A, Secret Service has confirmed that this was in fact not a test, but rather the trans defense system being initiated by a trans person detected within the White House's cisgender only radius. Now per protocol, President Trump as well as other members of his cabinet have all been urgently outfitted with hormone proof vests and ushered deep below ground into their traditional values bunker for their ultimate safety.

Steve Jordahl There you go.

Tim Wildmon The Onion, that's like it's kind.

Steve Jordahl Of like in fact not the Bee. The people that the ah, offshoot of the Babylon Bee, they were the ones that pointed this out. Said finally they got a pretty funny video.

Ed Vitagliano It's actual, it's, it is sarcastic against those who don't want this trans nonsense everywhere, but it's pretty funny. That was, that was pretty well done. And you know what that proves is that conservatives and Bible believing Christians can have fun. We have a sense of humor. It's the radical left that has no sense of humor. Yeah, and they're not going to find anything on the Babylon be funny.

Steve Jordahl No, they don't. They try to censor it at times.

President Trump has deported the cast of the View. Their show will be replaced by four

there's more breaking news. ICE is on the move and they have hit the studios at ABC. This is scary. This is, I cut 17 news tonight, the President.

Ed Vitagliano Has deported the cast of the View.

Steve Jordahl Their show will be replaced by four.

Ed Vitagliano Hours of screaming goat videos.

Steve Jordahl Not much of a difference there.

Ed Vitagliano That. Who, who did that?

Steve Jordahl That was,

Ed Vitagliano That sounded like, Whoopi Goldberg. No, no, no, I'm talking about the goats. The voice of the, of the,

Tim Wildmon That was a Jake Tapper. Or either.

Ed Vitagliano it's, Anderson Cooper's.

Tim Wildmon Who.

Ed Vitagliano It sounds like.

Tim Wildmon That's who.

Steve Jordahl But it. Well, it could have been AI Anderson.

Tim Wildmon It was Anderson Cooper's voice. Sounded like.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, it sounded like it. And that is. That's hilarious. The. The View.

Steve Jordahl I gotta show you. I'll show you the video here. and we can put it the. The videos. I won't play the sound, but the video is funny because at the end, they have the goats on the set of the View.

Ed Vitagliano Oh.

Fred Jackson Oh, no.

Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah.

Ed Vitagliano So is this how you spent your morning?

Tim Wildmon Yeah, yeah. That's funny.

Steve Jordahl That's how I spend every morning, Ed.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. The View still a thing? I guess.

Steve Jordahl Oh, yeah.

Ed Vitagliano And you know what? They get a pretty good viewership.

Steve Jordahl they have. They have Hate Watchers, and then they also have, an audience. MRC Media Research center has a guy, Nick Fonticaro. His sole job is to watch the View and pork Bella. I know, right?

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Steve Jordahl He gets eight weeks of vacation every year.

Tim Wildmon Joy, Bear and, Joy Behar.

Steve Jordahl Which is not related to Ted Bear.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, go.

Steve Jordahl Whoopi Goldberg.

Tim Wildmon Goldberg.

Steve Jordahl the others.

Tim Wildmon The conservative is, Joe Farah's daughter.

Steve Jordahl And the rest here on the View.

Tim Wildmon What's her name?

Steve Jordahl Farah.

Tim Wildmon Conservative. The Conservative on the View.

Ed Vitagliano Oh, I. I don't know. I don't.

Tim Wildmon Okay. Anyway, she is Joe Farah, a friend of ours. haven't talked to him in a long time. That's his daughter.

Ed Vitagliano Oh, wow. Joe Farah's daughter.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. Is this Farrah Griffith or whatever her name is?

Ed Vitagliano So we. So.

Steve Jordahl Sunny Hostin, Sarah Haynes, Elizabeth Hasselback, Alyssa Farah Griffin.

Tim Wildmon Elizabeth Hasselback.

Ed Vitagliano So we should have insulted her.

Tim Wildmon Insulted her?

Ed Vitagliano Yeah. By. By showing a goat sitting in for her.

Steve Jordahl Well, she, by the way, the Conservative on. this sometimes is to the left of aoc.

Ed Vitagliano Oh, all right. By the way, the View averaged, averages about 3 million viewers a day. Yeah. yes.

If you replace them with four goats, you would probably get as many viewers

So that's not bad for daytime for.

Fred Jackson The time of day.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon But I think if you would replace them with four goats, you would probably get as many viewers.

Ed Vitagliano As long as we're talking Americans here. As long as they were feigning goats.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Ed Vitagliano I want to make a loud noise and see them all pass out.

Tabloid Friday, uh, tomorrow on this show

Tim Wildmon All right. We hope that you captured something of value today. It would have been during this hour and a half. And, you have a great rest of your Thursday. You're here tomorrow.

Ed Vitagliano I'm here.

Fred Jackson Sure.

Tim Wildmon So trivia Friday tomorrow. And brother J.J. will be back with us. So trivia Friday, tomorrow on this show. We'll see you take care of.