Andy Miller: Wesley Biblical Seminary develops trusted leaders for faithful churches
Dr. Jessica Peck Hello, my name is Andy Miller, and I'm the president of Wesley Biblical Seminary based in Ridgeland, Mississippi. We are developing trusted leaders for faithful churches, and we do that based on the authority of scripture and in the reality that Christians can be transformed. We do that also through bachelor's, master's, and doctoral degrees. We'd love for you to learn more about Wesley Biblical Seminary at WBS Edu, where we're developing trusted leaders for faithful churches.
Steve Jordahl Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
Steve Paisley Jordah defends Bucky's popcorn honor on Today's Issues
Tim Wildmon Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network, afr.net Tim, Fred and Ray. And then now, Steve Paisley Jordah joins us. Good morning, Steve.
Steve Jordahl Morning, everybody.
Tim Wildmon So, guys, I was out in the popcorn, area, and I was defending it, shielding it from others who were trying, you know, trying to get some popcorn, because that's mine. You know what I'm saying?
Tim Wildmon Yeah, that's right.
Tim Wildmon Got to defend your popcorn honor. So, anyway, one of our fellow employees, Rusty.
Fred Jackson Oh, yeah.
Tim Wildmon He had on his St. Louis Cardinals baseball cap.
Fred Jackson Yes.
Tim Wildmon As I said, since COVID we really have no dress code around here anymore, and we're kind of like America. Yes.
Fred Jackson do you see what else he was wearing?
Tim Wildmon I don't. I don't mind people where people were. I wear hats. We wear hats. What were you saying?
Fred Jackson Now, what else was on his T shirt? The logo.
Tim Wildmon Now, what was that?
Fred Jackson Bucky's.
Tim Wildmon Oh, Bucky. Oh, yeah. Bucky's is developing a cult following. You know what we're talking about, don't you, Ray?
Tim Wildmon Listen, there's nothing more American than Bucky's.
Tim Wildmon Oh, man.
Tim Wildmon Buc ee's is America.
Tim Wildmon We stop at Bucky's like a lot of people do, just for the entertainment value.
Fred Jackson It's a destination. You've been the Buc ee's.
Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah. People watching. People, watching it. Bucky. And they have good brisket. They really have good brisket But.
Tim Wildmon And we're. We're all they have. They're about to break ground. We don't have one in Kansas City. Oh, but they're about to break ground for one here in Kansas City. I can't wait. Oh.
Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah, yeah. And I gotta tell you, they got. You go in the restroom, they got like, 50, you know, men's things. And, it's like, Smells like pine solid in there. I mean, it's clean. Yeah.
Fred Jackson And they. And they have a. They have. The employees have a uniform like khaki pants and red shirt. And by the way, I was at two of them the last week or so in my travels. they now have a billboard out in front of if you want to work for BUC EE's. Uh-huh. Have you seen the salaries, like, of the manager and the assistant manager? The manager of a BUC EE's is over 200,000.
Tim Wildmon Hello.
Fred Jackson And the assistant managers are like 135,000.
Tim Wildmon Really?
Fred Jackson For a big gas station, you get.
Steve Jordahl Over $100,000 just to manage the car wash.
Tim Wildmon It's a gas station Walmart combo.
Tim Wildmon It is like a county fair, Right?
Tim Wildmon Yeah. Kroger mixed in with Midway. They don't. They don't have produce, but they have almost everything else there.
Fred Jackson Yes.
Tim Wildmon that.
Tim Wildmon It's wonderful. Bucky's. Bucky's is America.
Tim Wildmon It is. It's kind of like half Cracker Barrel, half, What would you say? Like.
Fred Jackson Ah, well, it's a little bit of Walmart because they got some clothing.
Tim Wildmon I just know the one down county fair. The Bucky's down in, Mobile. Not. Well, it's not in Mobile. It's, right on the way to Gulf Shores in Orange Beach.
Fred Jackson Well, there's one just east of Birmingham.
Tim Wildmon There's one there. But I'm talking about the one down in, that like 10 miles east of Mobile on I10 and I10. That has more, gas, pumps than any other place. It's got to have more than any other place in America.
Fred Jackson I think it's about 60. There's about 60.
Steve: I grew up listening to the St. Louis Cardinals on my transistor radio
Tim Wildmon Probably more than that.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, you're probably right. I've never. I've never seen anything like it.
Fred Jackson It's amazing.
Tim Wildmon If you like,
Tim Wildmon It's like when you drive from one end of the gas station to the other, you used a quarter tank of gas yourself. You know what I'm saying?
Fred Jackson I know.
Tim Wildmon so anyway, back to my point. And it did have one. So Rusty's wearing the. In the popcorn area. He's wearing the St. Louis Cardinals baseball cap.
Fred Jackson Uh-huh.
Tim Wildmon And I was. We were talking and reflecting because all of us here, we're of the age we can remember. I said, you know what? I grew up listening to the St. Louis Cardinals on my transistor radio.
Fred Jackson Wow.
Tim Wildmon And, when I was like 7, 8, 9 years old. Riding your bike in the summer.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Going to the swimming pool. And you got to transition this before everything became so dangerous. I'm talking late 60s, early 70s. And a lot of people listening right now can identify with that.
Tim Wildmon The transistor radio.
Fred Jackson Transistor radio?
Tim Wildmon Is that even still a thing? Ray, do you know. Have you seen one of those?
Tim Wildmon If you're under 40, you have no.
Tim Wildmon Idea what we're talking about.
Tim Wildmon Right.
Tim Wildmon Steve, you listen to transistor radio growing up?
Steve Jordahl you know what? I usually listen to the radio by my bed. I was a big 50s music fan as a teenager. So this would be the 70s. So 20 year old is oldies and Chuck, Berry and and Little Richard and the Sorrels. I used. I had a.
Tim Wildmon How old were you at that time?
Steve Jordahl I was a teenager. That's what I just like to listen to.
Tim Wildmon You mean when those. When those were popular or were you listening to old.
Steve Jordahl I was listening to oldies.
Tim Wildmon Okay.
Steve Jordahl I listened to the 50s music in the 70s.
Tim Wildmon I got you. And you're an old soul.
Steve Jordahl Well, my sister would listen to the rock station. And of course we're both PKs. My dad is a Baptist pastor. And so the rock music, we just. That was.
Tim Wildmon You had a snake to listen to rock music.
Steve Jordahl She did. I did.
Tim Wildmon You did.
Steve Jordahl I listened to my.
Tim Wildmon My folks favor music, so that was okay.
Steve Jordahl It was a strategic.
Tim Wildmon But not the modern rock music.
Steve Jordahl Yeah, they didn't like the modern rock.
Tim Wildmon Not that hippie stuff, right?
Steve Jordahl Nah. But yeah. So, as far as transistor. I remember transistor radios. I don't remember particularly.
Tim Wildmon You used to have them.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Tim Wildmon You remember Tim trying to. Trying to get a station at night and you, you just do the.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Tim Wildmon You had a dial.
Tim Wildmon It wasn't digital yet, I don't think. No, no, no.
Tim Wildmon And you said you had to adjust that dialogue and turn it a little bit this way, that way.
Fred Jackson Well, we in Nova Scotia, where I grew up, at night, particular atmospheric conditions, the heck called skip. And you could get stations out of Boston. It's how my dad got saved listening to a Boston radio station up in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.
Steve Jordahl Wow.
Tim Wildmon Seriously?
Fred Jackson Yeah. He listened and heard a preacher out of Boston got saved.
Tim Wildmon When would this have been? Like in the.
Fred Jackson Oh, he was born in the 20s. In fact, it's his birthday today.
Growing up in Mission field, sometimes we would have shortwave radio
He would have been 101 today. But he, Yeah, we used to get. And even as a boy I used to use the skip and I'd get stations out of New York and Boston.
Tim Wildmon And that would have been a thousand miles away or something like that.
Fred Jackson It was probably a good five or six hundred miles down coast.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Steve Jordahl Growing up in the Mission field, sometimes we would have a shortwave radio, short wave radio.
Fred Jackson Absolutely. Yeah.
Steve Jordahl That was actually intended to Go that far?
Tim Wildmon Yeah, Well, I just. Yeah. So, I was talking about that. I remember, and what you're talking about, Right. the transistor radio. I use that mostly during the day. I did. And a night time sometime. But, we're talking in the late 60s, 70s, early 70s. But I remember too, having a, One of my parents bought me a like, am, FM radio.
Fred Jackson Uh-huh.
Tim Wildmon That you could use with earphones.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Right. This would have been like 1975 or something like that. So at night I would, put on my earphones and start like you did, Fred. Start going down the AM dial. And you could go all over the country.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Listen to various different radio stations. Wolfman Jack.
Fred Jackson Wolfman Jack. Yeah. Wolf Man Laugh for the.
Tim Wildmon Wasn't that WLS, Chicago?
Tim Wildmon WLS at 890 out of Chicago.
Fred Jackson There you go.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Steve Jordahl And I remember you, Dr. Demento.
Tim Wildmon why now?
Steve Jordahl Dr. Demento. Anybody remember Dr. Demento?
Tim Wildmon Yeah. What was that?
Steve Jordahl It was an FM disc jockey in the.
Tim Wildmon Okay.
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Tim Wildmon but I remember. And you could get KMOX St. Louis at night. You could listen to the Cardinals or you could go to. You could go to Katie KA or what it was that. Pittsburgh.
Tim Wildmon Pittsburgh. Right.
Tim Wildmon Am I right? KDK and then WWE and, Cleveland, Ohio. I mean, I could go all up and down the dial and, listen to all kind of stuff. All over. Yeah, all over the country at night. Because you had Clear Channel.
Fred Jackson Yes.
Tim Wildmon WWL, I think was, New Orleans and.
Tim Wildmon Right.
Tim Wildmon Cincinnati, wsb, Atlanta, all these.
Tim Wildmon I still have WWBAP out of Fort Worth.
Tim Wildmon Yeah. @ Clear Channel at night. Right, right, right.
Fred Jackson You're bringing back a flood of memories.
Tim Wildmon I know, right?
Fred Jackson I live through eight track to eight track.
Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah.
Fred Jackson Eight track players in the car.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, yeah. Hate track. Yeah. Now people probably, what, 50 under, they. They don't they.
Fred Jackson They miss so much.
Tim Wildmon No, we're talking prehistoric stuff here.
Tim Wildmon To the right.
Tim Wildmon They like read about this in history books.
Fred Jackson Eight track. What is that?
Tim Wildmon Eight tracks.
Tim Wildmon Right. Ray, what preceded the eight track?
Tim Wildmon Oh, the real to reel.
Fred Jackson Right, the real real in the car.
Tim Wildmon For music you just have. You have 45, wouldn't you?
Fred Jackson Oh, yeah.
Tim Wildmon Well.
Cassettes or eight track come first. What? There wasn't before
Tim Wildmon Oh, you're asking that music in the car. What?
Tim Wildmon There wasn't before.
Steve Jordahl That's where for you to the eight track.
Tim Wildmon Mom singing. Right.
Tim Wildmon Or the radio. Yeah, Radio playing music. There's no, there's no way to play, I don't know, album or.
Steve Jordahl See cassettes or eight track come first.
Fred Jackson I believe it was eight.
Tim Wildmon No, B. Eight tracks.
Fred Jackson Eight tracks. Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Eight tracks. Then.
Fred Jackson Because you had to have a huge basket to keep the. All the eight tracks. Things were huge.
Tim Wildmon They were. And then they'd get stuck in your eight track player. Pull them over, and then you pull them out, and there goes your whole $3. Barry Manilow's greatest hits.
Tim Wildmon If you had an eight track.
Fred Jackson That's so true, though.
Tim Wildmon You're like going, good night, Mom. Come here. Can you fix, cassettes? Did the same thing.
Fred Jackson Oh, yeah.
Steve Jordahl That's where the worst.
Tim Wildmon Yeah. All right. You are listening to the, you're listening to American Family Radio, also known as Big Beautiful Radio. Yes.
Steve Jordahl Memory Laine. Right.
Tim Wildmon I could listen as you get older, you. You want to relive that, don't you?
Fred Jackson The good old days.
Tim Wildmon The good old days, as they say back in the day. All right, Steve. Hey, what do you got for.
In Germany, they are having an epidemic of sex assaults at public pools
Steve Jordahl Welcome back all our listeners under the. Under the age of.
Tim Wildmon That's these old timers, right?
Steve Jordahl So, this is a difficult subject to talk about. I'm doing this because it has to do with immigration. so warning, fair warning. We're talking about sex assaults. in Germany, they are having an epidemic of assaults at pools, public pools. They've had more than 74 attacks in just one region. And, they've arrested, in one case, it was eight, little girls that they. These are mostly girls, and they're largely, Somali immigrants that have been doing the attacking. the reason I bring it up is because, again, we talked about this a little bit before that, immigration over there is unfettered, and they are not, they're still on the political correct bandwagon. So they've had these attacks, and the German authorities have started putting posters up at the, at the pool saying, don't, you know, don't touch anybody else in the pool. But here's the thing. All of these posters have white people attacking colored people as a warning. Even though that's not what's happening. it is, it is, the most racist, blatantly racist thing I've, I've seen in a while. It just, it just, I had to bring it into as a warning. immigration out of control changes a culture. It changes the, a country. And what President Trump is doing in enforcing immigration laws in this country is not only helping, cities and, and, budgets and, and all this kind of crime, it is literally saving the American culture. I just have to say it.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Oh, you said it.
Steve Jordahl I have said it.
Dad jumped over the side of a cruise ship to save his daughter
Tim Wildmon Next.
Steve Jordahl Want to talk about Good news.
Tim Wildmon Yes.
Steve Jordahl Talk about this, let's talk about this dad who jumped over the side of a cruise ship to save his daughter.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, that was, that was incredible.
Steve Jordahl Five year old girl. The mom and dad were playing shuffleboard nearby and this kid climbs up on a railing and either because of gust of wind or sudden movement of the ship or whatever, she falls overboard. Well, it was a big porthole.
Tim Wildmon Okay.
Steve Jordahl It was a, and this was a.
Tim Wildmon Cruise from Florida to the Bahamas. It's a Disney cruise.
Steve Jordahl It is a Disney cruise. They were actually embarking back to, Fort Lauderdale, I believe from the Bahamas at the time. fortunately, the ship was not traveling very fast. You've been on a cruise ship, you've seen how fast those things go. If you fall into the water in the middle of an open ocean like that, the chances are not good that you're going to be found. But this little five year old girl falls overboard. Dad jumps in after her and saves her. Keeps her afloat for about 20 minutes. He treads water with her, treads water with her. While the. By the rescue people from the boat having practiced this, over and over again, they come and they get him. A textbook rescue. And everybody ends up saved and happy.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, I saw that and read that. Do you see the video or the story about this, Ray?
Tim Wildmon I've been following this story, Tim. The, the. And I'm thinking about this dad. okay, the fatherly instinct. But you know guys, if, if he's 10 seconds late, it's too late, you know, won't be able to. Probably won't. Because the little girl couldn't swim. Right.
Tim Wildmon So nighttime.
Tim Wildmon Right. Well, if it's nighttime. But that's that's another whole. There's another whole outcome here for sure. But he had to, he had to somehow know when she fell.
Tim Wildmon Right?
Tim Wildmon And he did not wait one second. He did what a father should do. He jumped without knowing anything else would be right. Happened. He went after her. And so kudos. This is a story that could have ended so tragically and wow, it took some courage and the guy had to be right there, right there.
Fred Jackson But sadly the gossip started right away on people's social media to blame him. There were stories that started that he put her up on that railer, put her up on that large porthole and that he was negligent, all kinds of things like that. But thankfully there were witnesses there to tell the truth. But it was just.
Tim Wildmon And the sheriff's office, there, they did the video. Yeah. Saw what happened. The girl it was an accident that she fell over. Now I don't know how she got on, who placed her up there, how she got on there, but I think.
Steve Jordahl She was climbing on the railing.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, okay, well, she was, she was.
Tim Wildmon You know, five year old.
Tim Wildmon Five year olds. I'm, I mean you take your eyes off for one second.
Tim Wildmon One second.
Tim Wildmon Right, so that it was an accident. and so, but. Yeah, right, Your point? The, the dad jumped over immediately. Didn't even think about it. I mean his, his, his, love instinct, if that's what you want to call it, for his daughter kicked in within a second and, and he, he was able to retrieve her and tread water for 20, 20 minutes. He's out there treading water in the ocean, waiting on the what do you call the little boat that leaves the big ship to go, whatever that is?
Tim Wildmon the rescue boat.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, rescue, There's a name for it. But they, they went out and got him. But, and you could. I saw pictures of him. I think I saw a video of him. How he was exhausted, obviously. Go ahead.
Tim Wildmon Do we know how far the fall was?
Steve Jordahl Four. Four stories.
Fred Jackson Four.
Tim Wildmon Okay, that sounds exactly right. So we're just talking a ten foot fall here.
Tim Wildmon What's the story? Is that ten feet?
Fred Jackson yeah, eight to ten feet.
Tim Wildmon So you're talking about 40ft, right?
Tim Wildmon Minimum.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Steve Jordahl Somewhere around there. Yeah.
Tim Wildmon That's really scary.
Steve Jordahl He was injured. The dad is reported had injuries.
Right. Thank God. Uh, because every once in a while you read about somebody falling overboard
Tim Wildmon Right. Oh, 40ft. It's a long way to fall just jumping in the water, I'm saying. so anyway, but that's a happy ending there to that story. Thank God. because every once in a while you read about somebody falling overboard.
Tim Wildmon Right.
Tim Wildmon Never to be heard from again.
Tim Wildmon Right.
Tim Wildmon You know.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon And you said at night, if this happened at night.
Tim Wildmon Yeah. You wouldn't have the chances of. Yeah. anyway, you're listening to today's Issues.
Stanford medical has decided to stop sex change surgeries for children
Next story.
Steve Jordahl Steve, some more good news out of Stanford, California. Not much good comes out of Stanford. The, medical, team there. The medical. Stanford, medical has decided to stop sex change surgeries for children. This is gender mutilation surgeries that they were doing on kids because the Trump administration has said that they're not going to fund any hospital that does any of these minor, these surgeries or drug treatments of minor kids who think that they want to change their gender. The Stanford has decided it's not going to be doing these anymore.
Tim Wildmon Well, good.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon they shouldn't have been doing in the first place.
Steve Jordahl Yes.
Tim Wildmon sound like to Me. The Trump administration's playing hardball on this issue on the, on the girls, protecting girls, sports and, and protecting minors from being, the victims of, gender, gender mutilation or the. In the name of their, the transgendered cause, that the, President Trump and his administration are doing everything they possibly can at a federal government level to, to stand for what's good and right and true on these issues. Am I right?
Fred Jackson And I, and I believe they're doing it because they know it's right.
Tim Wildmon Yes, I agree.
Fred Jackson You know, however, it is also politically right. The vast majority of people across this country agree with the Trump agenda on this. The vast majority.
Tim Wildmon Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
Fred Jackson And why the Democrats keep supporting this.
Tim Wildmon I, know, I know. The other thing is, listen, if you want to do something when you're an adult, like some kind of surgery, that's one thing, you know, but, no way should a state allow genital surgery or even giving these hormone blockers or whatever that I'm, talking about drugs to minors.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon No way you should be allowed to do that. And most states are, have. At least the red states have common sense laws on this.
Steve Jordahl But, it's a disease. I saw some celebrity who said that their nine month old child was now transgender. Like what, nine months old. I don't remember what celebrity it was, but it was a nine month old. And this lady was saying, my girl, my daughters.
Tim Wildmon It was a girl. It was a celebrity.
Steve Jordahl Yeah, well, it was woman celebrity. Yeah.
Tim Wildmon But, ah, that's evil.
Steve Jordahl It, totally.
Key west voted 5 to 1 to void agreement that required ICE cooperation
Tim Wildmon All right, all right. You got another. We're running out of stories. We got three more minutes.
Steve Jordahl Stories. how about the DeSantis administration coming up and saying, that Key west is going to have to get its stuff together or else maybe its elected officials are going to have some vacation time.
Tim Wildmon What they do there.
Steve Jordahl So, the, commission in, Fort, Key west, which is the southernmost community in Florida, it's at the end of the little trail of keys, they decided that they are voted 5 to 1 to void an agreement that required its police department to partner with ice. So ICE was coming in and Florida has a law that says your police department has to cooperate with these federal Immigration and Customs officials if they're doing arrests. Well, Key west thought no, because Key west is a very liberal enclave, down there. And they, they decided to strut their.
Tim Wildmon Stuff and they, but the, the Attorney General of Florida and the Governor of Florida said you can't, you can't be a sanctuary city in Florida, Right.
Steve Jordahl Rhonda Santis and James Utmeyer have, come and said, you can't do this.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Steve Jordahl And they said that they are facing possible. The officials there are facing possible removals. Removal from office if they refuse to restore the,
Tim Wildmon Hey, we got time for that. So that Alcatraz. Alligator. Alcatraz. Yeah, down in Florida. We talked about that. According to the Babylon beastie, there are some other states that are considering renaming some. Some of their detention centers.
Steve Jordahl Got some of their detention centers. So, in Pennsylvania, they're considering the Amish. Alcatraz.
Tim Wildmon Amish Alcatraz. That sounds.
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Frightening.
Steve Jordahl It does. In, Montana. Get ready for Grizzly Gitmo.
Tim Wildmon Grizzly Gitmo, Yeah. Okay, so if you escape from there, you got to take on grizzlies.
Steve Jordahl You got it. And. And as President Trump would say, hey, don't run in a straight line. Did you see him actually do this?
Tim Wildmon No, I didn't.
Steve Jordahl When he was talking about. If you're going to run away from the alligator, don'. Straight line.
Tim Wildmon It's good to know.
Steve Jordahl in California, they're going to have this unique. It's called Alcatraz. Alcatraz.
Tim Wildmon Oh, they're going to reopen.
Steve Jordahl Yes, apparently.
Tim Wildmon What do they, Got Texas there.
Steve Jordahl The Texas, well, remember the Alcatraz?
Tim Wildmon Okay. A new detention center.
Steve Jordahl In Idaho, there's a potato penitentiary. M. And of course, in Kansas, the state of Kansas. It's the whole thing.
Fred Jackson Okay.
Tim Wildmon It is destroyed.
Steve Jordahl It's like Ohio Toledo is now the new Alcatraz.
Tim Wildmon I don't know. If I had to pick, I'd probably go to the Amish. Alcatraz.
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Tim Wildmon There. Because, you know, there's going to be some good food, right?
Tim Wildmon You're going to eat well.
Steve Jordahl You can go to Chief Warren's teepee in M. Massachusetts.
Tim Wildmon Chief Warren. Oh, my goodness.
American Family Radio will have a half hour special tomorrow celebrating July 4th
All right, so tomorrow, ladies and gentlemen, on this hour, Ray, you got a show. you're going to have a half hour special. Tell us about it.
Tim Wildmon Right. Coming up at 11 o' clock this half hour tomorrow, called A Few Good Men. How a few good men wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence, founded our nation. And how a few good men and women today can change a family, can change a city, a nation and the world.
Tim Wildmon So tomorrow, folks, we love doing Trivia Friday, but it's July 4th. It's a very important day on the calendar for our country. And, our offices and studios are going to be closed because we're going to be having time with our family celebrating as well. So we're going to have a, George Washington Special by Stephen McDowell during this hour, and then we're going to have Ray's special, a Few Good Men that he just described. So you're going to want to tune in for all that tomorrow on American Family Radio. Thanks for joining us on this Thursday, July 4th. We will talk to you again on Monday. So have a wonderful and, safe holiday weekend.
Tim Wildmon SAM M.
Andy Miller: Wesley Biblical Seminary develops trusted leaders for faithful churches
Dr. Jessica Peck Hello, my name is Andy Miller, and I'm the president of Wesley Biblical Seminary based in Ridgeland, Mississippi. We are developing trusted leaders for faithful churches, and we do that based on the authority of scripture and in the reality that Christians can be transformed. We do that also through bachelor's, master's, and doctoral degrees. We'd love for you to learn more about Wesley Biblical Seminary at WBS Edu, where we're developing trusted leaders for faithful churches.
Steve Jordahl Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
Steve Paisley Jordah defends Bucky's popcorn honor on Today's Issues
Tim Wildmon Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network, afr.net Tim, Fred and Ray. And then now, Steve Paisley Jordah joins us. Good morning, Steve.
Steve Jordahl Morning, everybody.
Tim Wildmon So, guys, I was out in the popcorn, area, and I was defending it, shielding it from others who were trying, you know, trying to get some popcorn, because that's mine. You know what I'm saying?
Tim Wildmon Yeah, that's right.
Tim Wildmon Got to defend your popcorn honor. So, anyway, one of our fellow employees, Rusty.
Fred Jackson Oh, yeah.
Tim Wildmon He had on his St. Louis Cardinals baseball cap.
Fred Jackson Yes.
Tim Wildmon As I said, since COVID we really have no dress code around here anymore, and we're kind of like America. Yes.
Fred Jackson do you see what else he was wearing?
Tim Wildmon I don't. I don't mind people where people were. I wear hats. We wear hats. What were you saying?
Fred Jackson Now, what else was on his T shirt? The logo.
Tim Wildmon Now, what was that?
Fred Jackson Bucky's.
Tim Wildmon Oh, Bucky. Oh, yeah. Bucky's is developing a cult following. You know what we're talking about, don't you, Ray?
Tim Wildmon Listen, there's nothing more American than Bucky's.
Tim Wildmon Oh, man.
Tim Wildmon Buc ee's is America.
Tim Wildmon We stop at Bucky's like a lot of people do, just for the entertainment value.
Fred Jackson It's a destination. You've been the Buc ee's.
Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah. People watching. People, watching it. Bucky. And they have good brisket. They really have good brisket But.
Tim Wildmon And we're. We're all they have. They're about to break ground. We don't have one in Kansas City. Oh, but they're about to break ground for one here in Kansas City. I can't wait. Oh.
Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah, yeah. And I gotta tell you, they got. You go in the restroom, they got like, 50, you know, men's things. And, it's like, Smells like pine solid in there. I mean, it's clean. Yeah.
Fred Jackson And they. And they have a. They have. The employees have a uniform like khaki pants and red shirt. And by the way, I was at two of them the last week or so in my travels. they now have a billboard out in front of if you want to work for BUC EE's. Uh-huh. Have you seen the salaries, like, of the manager and the assistant manager? The manager of a BUC EE's is over 200,000.
Tim Wildmon Hello.
Fred Jackson And the assistant managers are like 135,000.
Tim Wildmon Really?
Fred Jackson For a big gas station, you get.
Steve Jordahl Over $100,000 just to manage the car wash.
Tim Wildmon It's a gas station Walmart combo.
Tim Wildmon It is like a county fair, Right?
Tim Wildmon Yeah. Kroger mixed in with Midway. They don't. They don't have produce, but they have almost everything else there.
Fred Jackson Yes.
Tim Wildmon that.
Tim Wildmon It's wonderful. Bucky's. Bucky's is America.
Tim Wildmon It is. It's kind of like half Cracker Barrel, half, What would you say? Like.
Fred Jackson Ah, well, it's a little bit of Walmart because they got some clothing.
Tim Wildmon I just know the one down county fair. The Bucky's down in, Mobile. Not. Well, it's not in Mobile. It's, right on the way to Gulf Shores in Orange Beach.
Fred Jackson Well, there's one just east of Birmingham.
Tim Wildmon There's one there. But I'm talking about the one down in, that like 10 miles east of Mobile on I10 and I10. That has more, gas, pumps than any other place. It's got to have more than any other place in America.
Fred Jackson I think it's about 60. There's about 60.
Steve: I grew up listening to the St. Louis Cardinals on my transistor radio
Tim Wildmon Probably more than that.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, you're probably right. I've never. I've never seen anything like it.
Fred Jackson It's amazing.
Tim Wildmon If you like,
Tim Wildmon It's like when you drive from one end of the gas station to the other, you used a quarter tank of gas yourself. You know what I'm saying?
Fred Jackson I know.
Tim Wildmon so anyway, back to my point. And it did have one. So Rusty's wearing the. In the popcorn area. He's wearing the St. Louis Cardinals baseball cap.
Fred Jackson Uh-huh.
Tim Wildmon And I was. We were talking and reflecting because all of us here, we're of the age we can remember. I said, you know what? I grew up listening to the St. Louis Cardinals on my transistor radio.
Fred Jackson Wow.
Tim Wildmon And, when I was like 7, 8, 9 years old. Riding your bike in the summer.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Going to the swimming pool. And you got to transition this before everything became so dangerous. I'm talking late 60s, early 70s. And a lot of people listening right now can identify with that.
Tim Wildmon The transistor radio.
Fred Jackson Transistor radio?
Tim Wildmon Is that even still a thing? Ray, do you know. Have you seen one of those?
Tim Wildmon If you're under 40, you have no.
Tim Wildmon Idea what we're talking about.
Tim Wildmon Right.
Tim Wildmon Steve, you listen to transistor radio growing up?
Steve Jordahl you know what? I usually listen to the radio by my bed. I was a big 50s music fan as a teenager. So this would be the 70s. So 20 year old is oldies and Chuck, Berry and and Little Richard and the Sorrels. I used. I had a.
Tim Wildmon How old were you at that time?
Steve Jordahl I was a teenager. That's what I just like to listen to.
Tim Wildmon You mean when those. When those were popular or were you listening to old.
Steve Jordahl I was listening to oldies.
Tim Wildmon Okay.
Steve Jordahl I listened to the 50s music in the 70s.
Tim Wildmon I got you. And you're an old soul.
Steve Jordahl Well, my sister would listen to the rock station. And of course we're both PKs. My dad is a Baptist pastor. And so the rock music, we just. That was.
Tim Wildmon You had a snake to listen to rock music.
Steve Jordahl She did. I did.
Tim Wildmon You did.
Steve Jordahl I listened to my.
Tim Wildmon My folks favor music, so that was okay.
Steve Jordahl It was a strategic.
Tim Wildmon But not the modern rock music.
Steve Jordahl Yeah, they didn't like the modern rock.
Tim Wildmon Not that hippie stuff, right?
Steve Jordahl Nah. But yeah. So, as far as transistor. I remember transistor radios. I don't remember particularly.
Tim Wildmon You used to have them.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Tim Wildmon You remember Tim trying to. Trying to get a station at night and you, you just do the.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Tim Wildmon You had a dial.
Tim Wildmon It wasn't digital yet, I don't think. No, no, no.
Tim Wildmon And you said you had to adjust that dialogue and turn it a little bit this way, that way.
Fred Jackson Well, we in Nova Scotia, where I grew up, at night, particular atmospheric conditions, the heck called skip. And you could get stations out of Boston. It's how my dad got saved listening to a Boston radio station up in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.
Steve Jordahl Wow.
Tim Wildmon Seriously?
Fred Jackson Yeah. He listened and heard a preacher out of Boston got saved.
Tim Wildmon When would this have been? Like in the.
Fred Jackson Oh, he was born in the 20s. In fact, it's his birthday today.
Growing up in Mission field, sometimes we would have shortwave radio
He would have been 101 today. But he, Yeah, we used to get. And even as a boy I used to use the skip and I'd get stations out of New York and Boston.
Tim Wildmon And that would have been a thousand miles away or something like that.
Fred Jackson It was probably a good five or six hundred miles down coast.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Steve Jordahl Growing up in the Mission field, sometimes we would have a shortwave radio, short wave radio.
Fred Jackson Absolutely. Yeah.
Steve Jordahl That was actually intended to Go that far?
Tim Wildmon Yeah, Well, I just. Yeah. So, I was talking about that. I remember, and what you're talking about, Right. the transistor radio. I use that mostly during the day. I did. And a night time sometime. But, we're talking in the late 60s, 70s, early 70s. But I remember too, having a, One of my parents bought me a like, am, FM radio.
Fred Jackson Uh-huh.
Tim Wildmon That you could use with earphones.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Right. This would have been like 1975 or something like that. So at night I would, put on my earphones and start like you did, Fred. Start going down the AM dial. And you could go all over the country.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Listen to various different radio stations. Wolfman Jack.
Fred Jackson Wolfman Jack. Yeah. Wolf Man Laugh for the.
Tim Wildmon Wasn't that WLS, Chicago?
Tim Wildmon WLS at 890 out of Chicago.
Fred Jackson There you go.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Steve Jordahl And I remember you, Dr. Demento.
Tim Wildmon why now?
Steve Jordahl Dr. Demento. Anybody remember Dr. Demento?
Tim Wildmon Yeah. What was that?
Steve Jordahl It was an FM disc jockey in the.
Tim Wildmon Okay.
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Tim Wildmon but I remember. And you could get KMOX St. Louis at night. You could listen to the Cardinals or you could go to. You could go to Katie KA or what it was that. Pittsburgh.
Tim Wildmon Pittsburgh. Right.
Tim Wildmon Am I right? KDK and then WWE and, Cleveland, Ohio. I mean, I could go all up and down the dial and, listen to all kind of stuff. All over. Yeah, all over the country at night. Because you had Clear Channel.
Fred Jackson Yes.
Tim Wildmon WWL, I think was, New Orleans and.
Tim Wildmon Right.
Tim Wildmon Cincinnati, wsb, Atlanta, all these.
Tim Wildmon I still have WWBAP out of Fort Worth.
Tim Wildmon Yeah. @ Clear Channel at night. Right, right, right.
Fred Jackson You're bringing back a flood of memories.
Tim Wildmon I know, right?
Fred Jackson I live through eight track to eight track.
Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah.
Fred Jackson Eight track players in the car.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, yeah. Hate track. Yeah. Now people probably, what, 50 under, they. They don't they.
Fred Jackson They miss so much.
Tim Wildmon No, we're talking prehistoric stuff here.
Tim Wildmon To the right.
Tim Wildmon They like read about this in history books.
Fred Jackson Eight track. What is that?
Tim Wildmon Eight tracks.
Tim Wildmon Right. Ray, what preceded the eight track?
Tim Wildmon Oh, the real to reel.
Fred Jackson Right, the real real in the car.
Tim Wildmon For music you just have. You have 45, wouldn't you?
Fred Jackson Oh, yeah.
Tim Wildmon Well.
Cassettes or eight track come first. What? There wasn't before
Tim Wildmon Oh, you're asking that music in the car. What?
Tim Wildmon There wasn't before.
Steve Jordahl That's where for you to the eight track.
Tim Wildmon Mom singing. Right.
Tim Wildmon Or the radio. Yeah, Radio playing music. There's no, there's no way to play, I don't know, album or.
Steve Jordahl See cassettes or eight track come first.
Fred Jackson I believe it was eight.
Tim Wildmon No, B. Eight tracks.
Fred Jackson Eight tracks. Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Eight tracks. Then.
Fred Jackson Because you had to have a huge basket to keep the. All the eight tracks. Things were huge.
Tim Wildmon They were. And then they'd get stuck in your eight track player. Pull them over, and then you pull them out, and there goes your whole $3. Barry Manilow's greatest hits.
Tim Wildmon If you had an eight track.
Fred Jackson That's so true, though.
Tim Wildmon You're like going, good night, Mom. Come here. Can you fix, cassettes? Did the same thing.
Fred Jackson Oh, yeah.
Steve Jordahl That's where the worst.
Tim Wildmon Yeah. All right. You are listening to the, you're listening to American Family Radio, also known as Big Beautiful Radio. Yes.
Steve Jordahl Memory Laine. Right.
Tim Wildmon I could listen as you get older, you. You want to relive that, don't you?
Fred Jackson The good old days.
Tim Wildmon The good old days, as they say back in the day. All right, Steve. Hey, what do you got for.
In Germany, they are having an epidemic of sex assaults at public pools
Steve Jordahl Welcome back all our listeners under the. Under the age of.
Tim Wildmon That's these old timers, right?
Steve Jordahl So, this is a difficult subject to talk about. I'm doing this because it has to do with immigration. so warning, fair warning. We're talking about sex assaults. in Germany, they are having an epidemic of assaults at pools, public pools. They've had more than 74 attacks in just one region. And, they've arrested, in one case, it was eight, little girls that they. These are mostly girls, and they're largely, Somali immigrants that have been doing the attacking. the reason I bring it up is because, again, we talked about this a little bit before that, immigration over there is unfettered, and they are not, they're still on the political correct bandwagon. So they've had these attacks, and the German authorities have started putting posters up at the, at the pool saying, don't, you know, don't touch anybody else in the pool. But here's the thing. All of these posters have white people attacking colored people as a warning. Even though that's not what's happening. it is, it is, the most racist, blatantly racist thing I've, I've seen in a while. It just, it just, I had to bring it into as a warning. immigration out of control changes a culture. It changes the, a country. And what President Trump is doing in enforcing immigration laws in this country is not only helping, cities and, and, budgets and, and all this kind of crime, it is literally saving the American culture. I just have to say it.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Oh, you said it.
Steve Jordahl I have said it.
Dad jumped over the side of a cruise ship to save his daughter
Tim Wildmon Next.
Steve Jordahl Want to talk about Good news.
Tim Wildmon Yes.
Steve Jordahl Talk about this, let's talk about this dad who jumped over the side of a cruise ship to save his daughter.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, that was, that was incredible.
Steve Jordahl Five year old girl. The mom and dad were playing shuffleboard nearby and this kid climbs up on a railing and either because of gust of wind or sudden movement of the ship or whatever, she falls overboard. Well, it was a big porthole.
Tim Wildmon Okay.
Steve Jordahl It was a, and this was a.
Tim Wildmon Cruise from Florida to the Bahamas. It's a Disney cruise.
Steve Jordahl It is a Disney cruise. They were actually embarking back to, Fort Lauderdale, I believe from the Bahamas at the time. fortunately, the ship was not traveling very fast. You've been on a cruise ship, you've seen how fast those things go. If you fall into the water in the middle of an open ocean like that, the chances are not good that you're going to be found. But this little five year old girl falls overboard. Dad jumps in after her and saves her. Keeps her afloat for about 20 minutes. He treads water with her, treads water with her. While the. By the rescue people from the boat having practiced this, over and over again, they come and they get him. A textbook rescue. And everybody ends up saved and happy.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, I saw that and read that. Do you see the video or the story about this, Ray?
Tim Wildmon I've been following this story, Tim. The, the. And I'm thinking about this dad. okay, the fatherly instinct. But you know guys, if, if he's 10 seconds late, it's too late, you know, won't be able to. Probably won't. Because the little girl couldn't swim. Right.
Tim Wildmon So nighttime.
Tim Wildmon Right. Well, if it's nighttime. But that's that's another whole. There's another whole outcome here for sure. But he had to, he had to somehow know when she fell.
Tim Wildmon Right?
Tim Wildmon And he did not wait one second. He did what a father should do. He jumped without knowing anything else would be right. Happened. He went after her. And so kudos. This is a story that could have ended so tragically and wow, it took some courage and the guy had to be right there, right there.
Fred Jackson But sadly the gossip started right away on people's social media to blame him. There were stories that started that he put her up on that railer, put her up on that large porthole and that he was negligent, all kinds of things like that. But thankfully there were witnesses there to tell the truth. But it was just.
Tim Wildmon And the sheriff's office, there, they did the video. Yeah. Saw what happened. The girl it was an accident that she fell over. Now I don't know how she got on, who placed her up there, how she got on there, but I think.
Steve Jordahl She was climbing on the railing.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, okay, well, she was, she was.
Tim Wildmon You know, five year old.
Tim Wildmon Five year olds. I'm, I mean you take your eyes off for one second.
Tim Wildmon One second.
Tim Wildmon Right, so that it was an accident. and so, but. Yeah, right, Your point? The, the dad jumped over immediately. Didn't even think about it. I mean his, his, his, love instinct, if that's what you want to call it, for his daughter kicked in within a second and, and he, he was able to retrieve her and tread water for 20, 20 minutes. He's out there treading water in the ocean, waiting on the what do you call the little boat that leaves the big ship to go, whatever that is?
Tim Wildmon the rescue boat.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, rescue, There's a name for it. But they, they went out and got him. But, and you could. I saw pictures of him. I think I saw a video of him. How he was exhausted, obviously. Go ahead.
Tim Wildmon Do we know how far the fall was?
Steve Jordahl Four. Four stories.
Fred Jackson Four.
Tim Wildmon Okay, that sounds exactly right. So we're just talking a ten foot fall here.
Tim Wildmon What's the story? Is that ten feet?
Fred Jackson yeah, eight to ten feet.
Tim Wildmon So you're talking about 40ft, right?
Tim Wildmon Minimum.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Steve Jordahl Somewhere around there. Yeah.
Tim Wildmon That's really scary.
Steve Jordahl He was injured. The dad is reported had injuries.
Right. Thank God. Uh, because every once in a while you read about somebody falling overboard
Tim Wildmon Right. Oh, 40ft. It's a long way to fall just jumping in the water, I'm saying. so anyway, but that's a happy ending there to that story. Thank God. because every once in a while you read about somebody falling overboard.
Tim Wildmon Right.
Tim Wildmon Never to be heard from again.
Tim Wildmon Right.
Tim Wildmon You know.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon And you said at night, if this happened at night.
Tim Wildmon Yeah. You wouldn't have the chances of. Yeah. anyway, you're listening to today's Issues.
Stanford medical has decided to stop sex change surgeries for children
Next story.
Steve Jordahl Steve, some more good news out of Stanford, California. Not much good comes out of Stanford. The, medical, team there. The medical. Stanford, medical has decided to stop sex change surgeries for children. This is gender mutilation surgeries that they were doing on kids because the Trump administration has said that they're not going to fund any hospital that does any of these minor, these surgeries or drug treatments of minor kids who think that they want to change their gender. The Stanford has decided it's not going to be doing these anymore.
Tim Wildmon Well, good.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon they shouldn't have been doing in the first place.
Steve Jordahl Yes.
Tim Wildmon sound like to Me. The Trump administration's playing hardball on this issue on the, on the girls, protecting girls, sports and, and protecting minors from being, the victims of, gender, gender mutilation or the. In the name of their, the transgendered cause, that the, President Trump and his administration are doing everything they possibly can at a federal government level to, to stand for what's good and right and true on these issues. Am I right?
Fred Jackson And I, and I believe they're doing it because they know it's right.
Tim Wildmon Yes, I agree.
Fred Jackson You know, however, it is also politically right. The vast majority of people across this country agree with the Trump agenda on this. The vast majority.
Tim Wildmon Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
Fred Jackson And why the Democrats keep supporting this.
Tim Wildmon I, know, I know. The other thing is, listen, if you want to do something when you're an adult, like some kind of surgery, that's one thing, you know, but, no way should a state allow genital surgery or even giving these hormone blockers or whatever that I'm, talking about drugs to minors.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Tim Wildmon No way you should be allowed to do that. And most states are, have. At least the red states have common sense laws on this.
Steve Jordahl But, it's a disease. I saw some celebrity who said that their nine month old child was now transgender. Like what, nine months old. I don't remember what celebrity it was, but it was a nine month old. And this lady was saying, my girl, my daughters.
Tim Wildmon It was a girl. It was a celebrity.
Steve Jordahl Yeah, well, it was woman celebrity. Yeah.
Tim Wildmon But, ah, that's evil.
Steve Jordahl It, totally.
Key west voted 5 to 1 to void agreement that required ICE cooperation
Tim Wildmon All right, all right. You got another. We're running out of stories. We got three more minutes.
Steve Jordahl Stories. how about the DeSantis administration coming up and saying, that Key west is going to have to get its stuff together or else maybe its elected officials are going to have some vacation time.
Tim Wildmon What they do there.
Steve Jordahl So, the, commission in, Fort, Key west, which is the southernmost community in Florida, it's at the end of the little trail of keys, they decided that they are voted 5 to 1 to void an agreement that required its police department to partner with ice. So ICE was coming in and Florida has a law that says your police department has to cooperate with these federal Immigration and Customs officials if they're doing arrests. Well, Key west thought no, because Key west is a very liberal enclave, down there. And they, they decided to strut their.
Tim Wildmon Stuff and they, but the, the Attorney General of Florida and the Governor of Florida said you can't, you can't be a sanctuary city in Florida, Right.
Steve Jordahl Rhonda Santis and James Utmeyer have, come and said, you can't do this.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Steve Jordahl And they said that they are facing possible. The officials there are facing possible removals. Removal from office if they refuse to restore the,
Tim Wildmon Hey, we got time for that. So that Alcatraz. Alligator. Alcatraz. Yeah, down in Florida. We talked about that. According to the Babylon beastie, there are some other states that are considering renaming some. Some of their detention centers.
Steve Jordahl Got some of their detention centers. So, in Pennsylvania, they're considering the Amish. Alcatraz.
Tim Wildmon Amish Alcatraz. That sounds.
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Frightening.
Steve Jordahl It does. In, Montana. Get ready for Grizzly Gitmo.
Tim Wildmon Grizzly Gitmo, Yeah. Okay, so if you escape from there, you got to take on grizzlies.
Steve Jordahl You got it. And. And as President Trump would say, hey, don't run in a straight line. Did you see him actually do this?
Tim Wildmon No, I didn't.
Steve Jordahl When he was talking about. If you're going to run away from the alligator, don'. Straight line.
Tim Wildmon It's good to know.
Steve Jordahl in California, they're going to have this unique. It's called Alcatraz. Alcatraz.
Tim Wildmon Oh, they're going to reopen.
Steve Jordahl Yes, apparently.
Tim Wildmon What do they, Got Texas there.
Steve Jordahl The Texas, well, remember the Alcatraz?
Tim Wildmon Okay. A new detention center.
Steve Jordahl In Idaho, there's a potato penitentiary. M. And of course, in Kansas, the state of Kansas. It's the whole thing.
Fred Jackson Okay.
Tim Wildmon It is destroyed.
Steve Jordahl It's like Ohio Toledo is now the new Alcatraz.
Tim Wildmon I don't know. If I had to pick, I'd probably go to the Amish. Alcatraz.
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Tim Wildmon There. Because, you know, there's going to be some good food, right?
Tim Wildmon You're going to eat well.
Steve Jordahl You can go to Chief Warren's teepee in M. Massachusetts.
Tim Wildmon Chief Warren. Oh, my goodness.
American Family Radio will have a half hour special tomorrow celebrating July 4th
All right, so tomorrow, ladies and gentlemen, on this hour, Ray, you got a show. you're going to have a half hour special. Tell us about it.
Tim Wildmon Right. Coming up at 11 o' clock this half hour tomorrow, called A Few Good Men. How a few good men wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence, founded our nation. And how a few good men and women today can change a family, can change a city, a nation and the world.
Tim Wildmon So tomorrow, folks, we love doing Trivia Friday, but it's July 4th. It's a very important day on the calendar for our country. And, our offices and studios are going to be closed because we're going to be having time with our family celebrating as well. So we're going to have a, George Washington Special by Stephen McDowell during this hour, and then we're going to have Ray's special, a Few Good Men that he just described. So you're going to want to tune in for all that tomorrow on American Family Radio. Thanks for joining us on this Thursday, July 4th. We will talk to you again on Monday. So have a wonderful and, safe holiday weekend.
Tim Wildmon SAM M.
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