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Welcome to today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network

>> Tim Wildmon: Welcome to today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day.

>> Fred Jackson: Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, President of the American Family Associ.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to AFR. this is, Wednesday, July 23rd, 2025. In studio with me today is Ed Battagliano. Good morning, Brother Ed.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Good morning, Tim.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley Wildmon.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Good morning.

>> Tim Wildmon: And Fred Jackson.

>> Fred Jackson: Hey there, Tim.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, we again thank you for listening to afr. Jenna Ellis will be with us at the bottom of the hour. She is a radio, talk show host. She is a constitutional attorney, and I don't know what kind of cook she is. I have no idea. She's never baked anything for me. so we, you know, but she's overall good person, right, Fred?

>> Fred Jackson: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Jenna Ellis, very valuable, yes. all right, what's our first story, Fred?

Tulsi Gabbard claims she has information about Oval Office meeting

>> Fred Jackson: Well, President Trump's Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, most people recognize her. She's making a lot of news lately. On the weekend, she gave a couple of interviews on Fox that basically says that she has unearthed, information about a meeting that occurred about three weeks after the 2016 election, which Donald Trump was elected for the first time. What she's alleging in the documents that she says she has in her possession now is that there was a meeting in the Oval Office with then President Barack Obama and some of his key people, including his CIA director, John Brennan and others. And, to keep it very brief, they cooked up a scheme that connected the win of Donald Trump in the election. They say he got help from the Russians and that she was turning over all this information to the Department of Justice for possible, charges to be laid against one of these individuals. Well, Obama's people have responded to the latest reaction from Donald Trump to all of this, which he gave in the Oval Office, in a meeting just a, day or two ago. And, you can imagine what Donald Trump had to say about this alleged meeting in Barack Obama's Oval Office. Cut number one, they caught President Obama absolutely cold. Tulsi Gabbard, what they did to.

>> Tim Wildmon: This country in 2016, starting in 2016, but going up all the way, going up to 2020 of the election.

>> Fred Jackson: They tried to rig the election and they got caught. And there should be very severe consequences for that. But it's time to start. after what they did to me and, whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go after people.

>> Tim Wildmon: Obama has been caught directly, and Biden.

>> Fred Jackson: Was there with him, and Comey was there, and Clapper, the whole group was there. Brennan, they were all there in a room.

>> Tim Wildmon: But the leader of the gang was President Obama.

>> Fred Jackson: Barack Hussein Obama.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Have you heard of him?

>> Fred Jackson: This was treason. This was every word you can think of. They tried to steal the election. They tried to obfuscate the election. And it's the most unbelievable thing I think I've ever read. So overnight, a spokesman for the former President Barack Obama responded to, all of this and said, these bizarre allegations are ridiculous and a weak attempt at distraction. He says nothing. In the document issued last week by Tulsa Gabbard undercuts the widely accepted conclusion that Russia worked to influence the 2016 presidential election, but did not successfully manipulate any votes. Now, that is not the allegation that is being raised here. The allegation is that then President Barack Obama orchestrated, helped to orchestrate a plan that said the Russians actually wanted Donald Trump to be president and work to that end. That is what Tulsi Gabbard is saying now, in the wake of the Obama reaction, there is breaking news this morning. Tulsi Gabbard, once again, she says that John Brennan, Obama's CIA director, directed publication of investigation, implausible reports claiming Putin preferred Trump in 2016. What she is referring to is a report that, comes from the House intelligence community. It's a, It's a committee which at the time was chaired by Devin Nunes. All right, this is after Trump is elected. Devin Nunes, the Republican for California, heads this, House intelligence community, and they investigate these allegations about Trump being linked to, the Russians helping him get elected. I know this is kind of confusing. Take it.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, I'm with you.

>> Fred Jackson: Yep. So at the time of the publication, the report, this report from Devin, Nunes committee was published but not made public. Was published but not made public on September 18, 2020. All right. @ the time of the publication of the report, when it came out, Adam Shift then was chairman of the committee. And basically what Tulsi Gabbard is saying this morning, this, this report that was put together, and I'll read an excerpt. As released by Tulsi Gabbard this morning, the intelligence community did not have any direct information that Russian President Vladimir Putin wanted to help direct elect Donald Trump during the 2016 presidential election. But at the, quote, unusual end quote, direction of then President Barack Obama published in quotations, potentially biased or implausible intelligence suggesting otherwise, the House Intelligence Committee found. I hope you can follow that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, listen, this, first of all, this is a brilliant bit of sandbagging on the part of Tulsi Gabbard. By sandbagging. I mean, she withheld the information you just talked about, Fred. She withheld it so that Barack Obama.

>> Fred Jackson: Today's information.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Today's information, yes. So that Barack Obama would, as everyone would when they're accused of something like this, say, hey, the evidence you released just doesn't prove what you're saying. And then she releases this information. This was highly classified.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Hm. This is the result of the House Intelligence Committee, chaired initially by Devin Nunes and then published by Adam Schiff, which basically said all this, all these Russia accusations were false. And yet they were made public and pushed at the direction the, unusual of the president of the opposition party. And during the campaign, this. Well, this was after the campaign. After the election, yes. To imply what Hillary Clinton was saying was that the election of Donald Trump was illegitimate. We're talking about in 2016. And what seems likely to me is that Nunes and Adam Schiff made this, classified the results of this House Intelligence, committee.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So that explains why they couldn't do anything about it in this first term.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, it remained classified, I think because the Democrats expected Joe Biden to go on to reelection and then no one would ever know. But lo and behold, 2024, Trump gets reelected. Now this is being declass. And in response to what Barack Obama said, it looks like there's some there there. Yes, this is, this is pretty stunning because this information came out with the Democrats in charge of the House Intelligence Committee.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It's obviously a political black eye for Obama and the Democrats, at least for now with the information we get. But what actually can come from, come from it legally. And that's what, you know, that's all that's ultimately what I'm most concerned, most interested in, like can Obama actually be charged and can something come from this?

>> Ed Vitagliano: This is one of the things I'm going to ask Jenna when she's Jenna Ellis when she comes on at the bottom of the hour. I, I Personally think like you. And again, I stand to be corrected. And we'll have an attorney, Constitutional attorney on at the bottom of the hour. It seems to me that, this is, as you said, the political black eye. I'm not sure you can prove that President Obama or any of these Democrats actually broke laws. Richard Nixon was famous, supposedly by unbiased historical sources for what was called dirty tricks. M. Which is you put out information to try to embarrass people. You put out this side of the information, but not that side, because all you want to do is smear your opponent. To me, that's what this looks like. It looks like dirty tricks. But I'll. I'll ask. General, we can. We can all ask Jenna. Is there anything legally? I would personally, as I said earlier in the week, I don't think you should put President Obama in prison for. For this.

>> Tim Wildmon: Have to be tried and convicted.

Could John Brennan be charged over alleged Oval Office meeting involving Russians

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, he would have to be tried and convicted.

>> Tim Wildmon: Arrest him. Say we're going down to the jail.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But for something short of, you know, a violent crime, something like this, I think would be damaging, I thought. And this is why I thought what the Democrats were trying to do with Trump was abhorrent. But anyway, I could go on all.

>> Fred Jackson: Day, but could John Brennan, who allegedly was in the Oval Office for this meeting, be charged if they.

>> Ed Vitagliano: If. If what they did, if they broke a law, then they should be charged, and if convicted, they should go to prison. Well, so Brennan and some of these other clappers.

>> Fred Jackson: Clapper, James Comey.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, but, yeah, but so what would be your response then to them interfering with an election?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, the election.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, that's right. Already take place. Yeah, the timeline. I forgot about that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I think the only thing you're gonna be able to charge these people with is if they lied under oath.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I'm tracking with you now.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. All right, well, we'll ask Jenna about that. you're listening to today's issues. What's the next story?

Rashida: Mahmoud Khalil led anti Israel protests at Columbia University

>> Fred Jackson: Well, we're hearing this morning that Columbia University has now suspended or expelled at least 70 of those students that were involved in the. Some people call them pro Palestinian, I call them anti Israel protests at these universities. And, it comes at the same time has one of the leaders of the anti Israel protests at Colombia. His name is Mahmoud Khalil. Now, you know what happened over the last several months. ICE arrested Mahmoud Khalil because he's here in this country on a green card. And they said his involvement in these protests, some of them, were very violent at Columbia University, that his green card should be revoked. So he was kept in a detention center, I believe, in Louisiana for some time. But then a federal judge said he should be released. Well, Mahmoud Khalil has become a friend of some Democrats. he was interviewed by CNN's Pamela Brown, who asked, Mahmoud Khalil, will you, right here on CNN at this time in this live interview, will you condemn Hamas? Here's that exchange cut number four.

>> Jenna Ellis: Just to be clear here, though, do you specifically condemn Hamas, a designated terrorist.

>> Tim Wildmon: Organization in the United States, not just.

>> Ed Vitagliano: For their actions on October 7th?

>> Tim Wildmon: I condemn the killing of all. Of all, civilians.

>> Fred Jackson: Full stop.

>> Tim Wildmon: and. But what I don't want to get into is, no, I am very.

>> Fred Jackson: Clear with condemning all civilians.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm very clear.

>> Fred Jackson: I'm very straight in my position in that, part. But it's disingenuous to ask about condemning Hamas while Palestinians are the ones being starved now by Israel.

>> Ed Vitagliano: The Trump administration has claimed that you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Are a Hamas sympathizer.

>> Jenna Ellis: M. So it's very important to actually.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ask that question in this broad conversation.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, I simply asked and protested, the war in Palestine time. It's always, as I said, disingenuous and absurd to ask such questions when. When literally 62,000 Palestinians, have been killed by Israel.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, okay, if, if he's that concerned. We've said this many, many times. If he's that concerned about Palestinians being killed, he should have, right from the get go, told Hamas to surrender when. After they attacked, and all this would have stopped.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So he, he, Mahmoud Khalil must, I think, agree with this kind of war of aggression on the part of Hamas against Israel and the desire to remove all Jews from the area they call Palestine. And I think that's why he's being cagey.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, and that's why it sounds to me like he's not outright saying. Because you can condemn that and go right back to his speech.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And finish out what he's saying. But if he, if he can't outright condemn it, then, then obviously he's.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. you know, with, these people on the left. I don't know. I don't know why he's trying to. What do you call?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Obfuscate.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know why he's even trying to do that. There's no penalty to be had for just saying outright. Yeah, I support him and I hope they. From the river to the sea.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: well, I say there doesn't seem to be a consequence, to pay for that which would be representative of genocide against the Jews. Right. That's what that really expression means. Kick. Get rid of all the Jews in Israel and return the land to the Palestinian. Palestinian, people. But what, what. This is at Columbia University. This is a student leader.

>> Fred Jackson: He led the protest.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. He led the protest. That got violent.

>> Fred Jackson: That got very violent, some of them.

>> Tim Wildmon: So who was he appearing before? Right there.

>> Fred Jackson: He was. He was on cnn. interview with cnn. But the other part of this story this morning is this. Mahmoud Khalil was on Capitol Hill yesterday, and a number of Democrats, along with Bernie Sanders, who's officially an Independent, but more Democrat, they all were glad to take their picture with him. There's a. There's a photo album that somebody published this morning. So you have people like Rashida Taliban. Ah, People like Ilan Omar and, Congresswoman Presley. Those names kind of get associated with the far left of the Democratic Party.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Part of the squad.

>> Fred Jackson: They, they think he's a great guy.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, they're Israel haters.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're Israel haters.

>> Fred Jackson: He's pro Hamas, but they're. They're wrapping their arms around when he'll.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, when he'll tell the truth. If he is either told he can stay in the United States or if he's deported. If he's deported and has to leave the country, you'll hear the truth about what he believes. The reason I think he's edging. Yeah, he's hedging is because he wants to stay in this country.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. You're listening to, Today's Issues. Go, Fred.

President Trump said Israel will not allow Iran to build a nuclear bomb

Next story.

>> Fred Jackson: I'm not sure if any of you saw the interview that Fox's Brett Baer did the other night with Iran's foreign minister.

>> Tim Wildmon: We played part of the clip.

>> Fred Jackson: Okay. so basically, you know what he had to say about their enrichment program for the uranium.

>> Ed Vitagliano: We did not play that part.

>> Fred Jackson: All right, let me play that part for you.

>> Tim Wildmon: We played the part where he sang.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And then he did something with hand puppets.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right?

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: We didn't do the part you're talking about.

>> Fred Jackson: His name is Abbas, Orochi. All right, this is from. I think it was Monday night with Bret Bear Cut seven. Obviously, we cannot give up our enrichment because it is, an achievement of our own scientists. And now, more than that, it is a question of national pride. our enrichment is so dear to us.

>> Tim Wildmon: we are ready to engage into.

>> Fred Jackson: Negotiation to make sure that our enrichment is only for peaceful purposes. we prefer a negotiated solution. We are not ready to give up something which is now a question of a matter of dignity for the Iranian people, a matter of, national pride. Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: If they, if they were really wanting this to be for peaceful purposes all this time, they would have allowed international.

>> Fred Jackson: Inspections and not bury it under a mountain.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I, I think he's telling a whopper right there, don't you? I'm smelling a Burger King.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He's. He's lying.

>> Fred Jackson: Montana Senator Steve Daines. Tim, would agree with you. Cut eight.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, frankly, it's hard to keep.

>> Ed Vitagliano: A straight face when I heard those comments. If this uranium is for peaceful purposes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Why are they doing it hundreds of feet below ground? Why aren't they doing open the open. And if they want nuclear power, they.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Can get nuclear power without to develop it themselves.

>> Tim Wildmon: The reason the Iranians are trying to.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Enrich uranium is they want to build a bomb. They chant, death to America.

>> Tim Wildmon: Death to Israel. so they better watch out with the rhetoric that they are talking about here, because we're not going to allow them. The Israelis are not going to allow them to build a nuclear bomb.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And so that is, that's laughable is.

>> Tim Wildmon: What he just said. Well, did Senator Danes there say we being the United States and Israel are not going to let Iran build a nuclear bomb? Is that what he said?

>> Fred Jackson: I'm not sure he used the pronoun we.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He did. He did seem to, kind of walk back a little bit and said Israel's not going to allow.

>> Tim Wildmon: But it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: From what President Trump did.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It seems pretty clear.

>> Tim Wildmon: We, we're, we're in this way. The United States. We've chosen a side, too.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: And we, we're on the side of not letting Iran build a nuclear weapon. Even if it means we have to use our military to stop them.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: that, that's what President Trump's actions when he sent the bombers, over there.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Has that been a month now? When is that? Three weeks ago. When was that?

>> Wesley Wildmon: That was. I think it was three weeks ago. It's not quite a month.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Anyway. All right. You're listening to today's issues. That. All of that story, Fred.

>> Fred Jackson: That's all of that story, but we have much.

>> Tim Wildmon: I got a Shark Week story whenever you get through with shark politics, but go ahead.

Republican Congressman from New York is introducing legislation against government-run grocery stores

>> Fred Jackson: Well, you may have heard that, Congressman, Republican Congressman from New York, Mike Lawler, is introducing the Mamdani Act.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: Okay. The latest on the Democrat who's been elected in a Democrat primary to be mayor of New York. one of the things that he's talking about, Mamdani, that is, is government run grocery stores. And Mike Lawler was on Fox this morning talking about that as one of the reasons he wants to introduce this Mamdani act, cut 10. Well, we're actually introducing a bill, the.

>> Tim Wildmon: Mamdani act, to direct the Federal.

>> Fred Jackson: Trade Commission and the USDA to conduct.

>> Tim Wildmon: A study of, about how these.

>> Fred Jackson: Government run grocery stores that he is.

>> Tim Wildmon: Proposing can actually undercut, you know.

>> Fred Jackson: Grocery stores across the nation. It can undercut pricing, it can.

>> Tim Wildmon: Cause a real challenge, for the.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Supply chain for farmers, and we.

>> Fred Jackson: Want to have them conduct a study, and make a determination, as to how this may or may not.

>> Tim Wildmon: Impact, you know, grocery prices and you know, competition, with small.

>> Fred Jackson: And medium sized grocery, stores across the country.

>> Tim Wildmon: Who was that?

>> Fred Jackson: That was Mike, Lawler. He is Republican congressman from New York.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. I struggle with this. now don't get me wrong, I don't, I don't think about it very much, but I do struggle with helping people. Not self destruct. Yeah. Okay. If.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Because you got a good heart.

>> Tim Wildmon: yes, because I want these people to learn their lesson.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: If the people of New York City want to elect a communist to be their mayor and think he's going to lead them to the promised land. Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Because he's not lying to him.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, no, he's telling him exactly. Yeah, he was. He wants free everything for everybody.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, guess what? The people who pay the taxes, the millionaires and billionaires such that they are in New York City, they're going to leave. Yeah, they're going to leave or they're going to find a way out of it. So, out of being, you know, held hostage basically to this, they're going to leave. But this guy believes in free everything for everybody.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: In the name of social justice. That's what he's going to say, Mom. Donnie. Is that his name? So I, appreciate what the Republican congressman is doing there, but I would say don't waste your time because we know, we all know the answer. Answer to City Run. What do you call them? Grocery stores. Yeah, City Run grocery stores. if that's, that's basically welfare for everybody, is what that. What that, what that.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, what do these, what do these national grocery chains have in common? Walmart, Albertsons, Kroger, Safeway, Winn Dixie, Piggly, Wiggly, Dollar General and Amazon Fresh. They're all closing stores because of declining profitability, the profit margins for a lot of these grocery chains is very slim. And you're going to put them out of business with government owned grocery stores and mom and pop stores because you're not going to be able to compete with government subsidized. That means cheaper groceries when the government owns the store.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. All right. What is that, by the way? That's, the election between Mamdani and Cuomo. And Cuomo. Well, Adams. What about Adams?

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's. Cuomo is going to run as an independent, right? Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so. Well, what a stellar lineup of candidates they have right there in New York City to pick from.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I mean, m hating to see who can be the first.

>> Tim Wildmon: There's no silver. It's gold, gold, gold across the board. We'll be back momentarily.

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>> Wesley Wildmon: It goes to Ed Vitagliano.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, go send them to me. I'm not Gonna. I'm not gonna read them. That's right. Delete, delete, delete.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You're just as honest as Zorons about.

>> Ed Vitagliano: What he's gonna tell me. Exactly what I'm gonna do if it starts off, hey, moron. Okay. Yes, I'm deleting it, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. You're not going to read any further.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm not reading any further.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. if you want that, you can go home, right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I usually do. If I was that kind.

>> Tim Wildmon: I always said that. Because you say that if I want.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That kind of abuse, I'll go to the house. Says the man who knows his wife is not listening.

>> Tim Wildmon: Fred, Wesley, Ed, and yours truly, Tim.

Jenna Ellis is host of American Family Radio's On Demand podcast

here on Today's Issues on American Family Radio. Well, joining us now is Jenna Ellis. Jenna is host of Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio. Heard 7, 8 o' clock Central Time each weekday morning right here on AFR. And host of the On Demand podcast. We'll tell you how to get that. Jenna hosts that once a week as well. And, she joins us now from Florida. Good morning, Jenna.

>> Jenna Ellis: Good morning. And I would just like to say that the podcast is different if you listen. If you in Florida, it's On Demand. If you listen in Mississippi, apparently, it's own. Demand.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, did I say own?

>> Jenna Ellis: So, so just, just so, you're aware there's two separate versions. Demand.

>> Tim Wildmon: I feel like I've been corrected, but I feel like I've been mocked, you know, a little bit.

>> Jenna Ellis: It was very loving. One of my best friend. Shout out to Hannah, who lives in my neighborhood. I just love her. God has blessed me with such a great neighborhood. And her dog is friends with my dogs. And she's from Mississippi.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Jenna Ellis: Actually. And so I always tease her about that. So I'm more, accustomed to, like, picking out those things because she's from Mississippi and I got you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, so, you know, that's something you just go through your day and don't realize you're doing because I guess everybody else where you live does the same thing. So. So we actually, by we, I mean Mississippians native, say own for on what should be. Oh, yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I haven't paid attention to what Mississippians have been saying for years, ever since I married one.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Jenna Ellis: That's my D. Is from Texas originally. He still has a few of those things. And we, we make fun of that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Jenna. The only thing that was missing from that slap down.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Was starting off by Tim. Bless your heart.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's it.

>> Jenna Ellis: I'll have to work on that one to get that into my. That would be northern Florida, which is still southern country. So, yeah, if I, If I broadcast sometime from, from, northern Florida, then I'll get my Bless your heart.

>> Tim Wildmon: The funny thing is, if you go to Florida and of course, Jenn there, but, you do the. The more south you go, the more north it becomes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. Because of transplants.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, transplants.

>> Jenna Ellis: So you illegals, too. They're all in alligator, though, so we're fine. And that's further south.

>> Tim Wildmon: North of Orlando is more the traditional south. Yeah, but you get south of that, it's a lot of, folks international and mix and so forth and so on. People who say on snowbirds don't say own for the word O.

All right, so, Fred, what was your question to our lawyer

All right, so, Fred, what was your question to our lawyer? on the phone with us here on the phone.

>> Jenna Ellis: There we go.

>> Tim Wildmon: See if I get a reaction.

>> Fred Jackson: We can do a whole show here on the phone.

>> Ed Vitagliano: On the phone.

>> Jenna Ellis: That could be Tim's new podcast.

>> Wesley Wildmon: On the phone with Tim making own a two syllable word.

>> Tim Wildmon: go ahead, Fred.

>> Fred Jackson: I just hate to go to something serious.

>> Tim Wildmon: Bring this level of discourse back up, please.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes, I'll bring you all back down.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Fred Jackson: Jenna down.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Fred down north.

>> Fred Jackson: Wait a minute now. I'm Canadian. I cannot go that far.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I.

>> Jenna Ellis: Or A is.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Go ahead, Freddy. Hey, come on, hoser.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, Just got to go on and on.

>> Tim Wildmon: Canadian. Come on.

>> Fred Jackson: All right, Jenna.

>> Wesley Wildmon: am I the only adult in the room?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, you are.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. You know what a hoser is? It's a. It's a pejorative, right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, yeah, for like Indiana hosier.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, no, no, it's Canadian for you idiot.

>> Jenna Ellis: I hope it's hard.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's okay to say it.

We're listening to Fred Ask Jenna radio

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, let's. Let's just stop right here.

>> Wesley Wildmon: What are we listening to? We're listening.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're listening to. We're listening to Fred Ask Jenna radio. We listen to Fred ask Jenna a question. Go, Fred.

House Intelligence Committee is reportedly working on a report on Russian meddling in 2016 election

>> Fred Jackson: All right. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard in the news a whole lot, Jenna. the last, several days, and basically we talked about this off the top of program. going back to last weekend, she gave a couple of interviews on Fox. And what she is alleging is that after Donald Trump was first elected President back in 2016, a few weeks later, when Barack Obama was still president, Barack Obama had a meeting in his office. He got together with, people like, Brendan Clapper, James Comey, and they cooked up a scheme to basically link Trump's victory, saying that the Russians helped and wanted Donald Trump to be victorious in the 2016 election. She's released a bunch of documents which she says prove that. And, she says she's handed it over to the Justice Department for possible legal action. This morning, according to Fox News, they have their hands on a report which was based on an investigation launched by former House Intelligence Community Chairman Devin Nunes, Republican of California. That was kind of, the result was. And some of the words used in that are, And I'm just going to read a little bit from this report. the Intelligence community did not have any direct information that, Vladimir Putin wanted to help elect Donald Trump during the 2016 presidential election. But at the unusual direction in quotation marks of then President Barack Obama, they published potentially biased or implausible intelligence suggesting otherwise. The House Intelligence Committee found Tulsi, Gabbard says, this report coming out of this committee, was kept in a vault at CIA headquarters, but now it is out there in public. What might you think about all this, Jenna?

>> Jenna Ellis: Well, I think it comes as no surprise to any of us who have been paying attention since, 2015, 2016, and all of the ways that the Democrats have tried to push all of these fake hoaxes, as President Trump, I think rightly calls them. there's the Russia collusion narrative, then there was the, the Mueller report, then there was the first sham impeachment. I mean, you know, they're on and on and on, own and own and own, as we would say in Mississippi. But, you know, all of those things, that Tulsi has, has rightly dropped and described, I think I have no reason to doubt the accuracy where for a long time, the conservative community and the actual intelligence, agencies and in the intelligence community was saying for a long time that the Steele dossier was absolute nonsense. And, we've known all of this for a while. The question that I have and the thing that frustrates me, especially after talking to a couple of guests this morning about this exact same, same topic, they have, I think, rightly said that the statute of limitations on most of the allegations here, even if they were criminal in nature and there could be indictments and so forth, would have run at a maximum of five years. So likely there is not much now that could legally be done about it. So Congress may be able to say, well, this gives a great reason, to then extend the statute of limitations, but that would be for something in the future. And so we as the American people really want Accountability for bad actors. And so my question is, why didn't the Department of Justice, under either then Attorney General Jeff Sessions or Bill Barr, actually look into this in President Trump's first term, when they could have potentially actually had, indictments and grand juries and all of these things? I mean, do that instead of just spending all of your time defending against all of these hoaxes? And so the likely scenario here is that the best that we'll get is a bunch of media fanfare and, you know, some hearings in front of Congress, and we'll all be really upset at what comes out. But do we expect an Obama mug shot? Probably not.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Jenna, this, now this, committee, this House committee that release this report, and then it was slapped with classified, restrictions. That was.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, classified was slapped on it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: What's that?

>> Tim Wildmon: Classified? The word was slapped on it was.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Slapped on it like a.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, I just wanted to say. I don't get Jenna.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, yeah, it was slapped on it like a terror.

>> Tim Wildmon: Like a terror.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Like.

>> Tim Wildmon: There you go. Slap that. Terrible.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Slap it.

Why do you think President Trump did not order the. Why didn't Trump.

Okay, so that was in 2020, the Nunes and Schiff, ah, part of this. But do you think that the Trump administration knew this about President Trump, I mean, about President Obama and his, intelligence community minions, after he was elected in 2016, or you think this is stuff that is just now kind of coming out?

>> Jenna Ellis: Oh, no, everybody knew about it and was writing about it and was, was saying this and, and wanting the Trump administration to do something, at the time before he left office. So this isn't something that was a new revelation after, the President Trump's first administration. I mean, it wasn't immediately obvious, but his Department of Justice might have at least tried to start the ball rolling. And obviously that would have then been quashed by, the Biden DOJ coming in. But they could have at least started the ball rolling. And even if they had gotten to indictments and all that, then it would have been really difficult for Biden to have said, well, we're just gonna, you know, stop prosecuting this just because it's, it's obviously our side and political and who knows? I mean, maybe it would have changed some of the outcome of, of 2020 and, you know, some of those really. I m. Mean, it's very close, in terms of some of that stuff.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So, so why didn't Trump. Why didn't Trump. I mean, he, he, when he was running in 2015 and on into 2016, he said he was going to lock up Hillary Clinton. And then after he got. Got elected, he said, bah, you know, it's not going to do. It's not important enough. Why do you think President Trump dropped, you know, did not order the.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know if Jenna can talk about this any further or not.

>> Jenna Ellis: I don't know that part of it. Yeah, yeah, and that's fine. I mean, you know, this whole investigation is, you know, totally separate. But. And I wasn't working, you know, for President Trump at the time when all of this was going on initially. But, you know, my, my personal opinion on it, you know, it, and not because of any private knowledge I have or anything, is just that simply, you know, Trump thought he won and he wanted to move on and thought, you know, why, why go back and, and deal, with any of this? Let's just keep moving forward. I don't know that he really understood in his first term like he does now, how absolutely, utterly corrupt and evil the left is. And he might have, actually had his, his doj, pursue Hillary Clinton if he thought that and if he saw all of these, These, hits coming. but at the same time, look at what he's doing right now with the Epstein documents and saying, well, you know, let's just forget about it. And, you know, I ran on draining the swamp and on, you know, accountability for everybody, and now he's saying, you know what? It doesn't really matter. So I see him in that vein, I mean, not to the level of, what it cost him personally, some of this stuff, but I see him making that same mistake now. So maybe he really hasn't learned that, particular lesson. So, I mean, it's anybody's.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, I will answer that, too. Then we can move on to the second.

What did President Trump say during the campaign run about Jeffrey Epstein

Next question. President, Trump, is. He's, he's multifaceted, but one part of him is showman. Okay, so he plays to the crowd, to answer your question. So a lot of what he says, he doesn't mean, but he whips up the crowd into a frenzy or, gets them to applaud him. But he knows full well he doesn't really mean it. He's joking around, he's coy.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So the lock her up.

>> Tim Wildmon: Lock her up was a joke. Okay, so he goes. He didn't really mean lock her up, but he, but he, he liked hearing the crowd say that, so he was going to play along with him. You see what I'm saying there? So, so how in politics, I don't know how you distinguish that sometimes between, was that appropriate behavior for a presidential candidate or president or not. But with President Trump, that is what it is. So it doesn't surprise me ever that he backtracks immediately on something that he might say one day, and he backtracks the next. From a tariff to a locker up to a release. Epstein files to. It doesn't matter. You. You. He. He. He does it. In my opinion, he does a very good job advancing mostly conservative principles, from his, administrative position as CEO of the country. Okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: But as far as the showman part of it, you just got it. You just got to take that with a grain of salt. So anything he m. Because how many times have you ever heard him say it's the greatest ever? Right. It can be spaghetti, okay. That he served.

>> Jenna Ellis: If it's done by Ed, I'm sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: It'D be the greatest spaghetti. Never been any spaghetti like it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He's never eaten at my house. That's all I can say. Whatever. Easy.

>> Tim Wildmon: Do you know what I'm saying?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So the normal rules of judging behavior do not apply to Donald Trump. So.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So you think. And then we get. We get right back to Janet.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You think that this stuff with the Epstein files falls in that category.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He did not understand just how seriously MAGA was taking his promise.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, if he didn't, that's. That's. That's kind of. That's poor judgment on his part because he's surrounded by his sons.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And all the people who support. I mean, he's surrounded by these folks all the time, so I can't imagine him not, knowing the seriousness in which they take it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: If he didn't.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's why I personally think it's a. It's. That along with every other one you mentioned, politically speaking, it's just an unnecessary, problem that he causes himself. Forced error, unforced.

>> Tim Wildmon: Because m. I would like to. By dismissing the Epstein, files.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Nope. By even bringing it up to begin with. I think they should. I think. I think.

>> Tim Wildmon: Who brought it up?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Trump. And. Well, Trump and the campaign run. And then Bondi.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. What did President Trump say during the campaign run about Jeffrey Epstein? Did he.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Let's get Jenna back in.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Jenna Ellis: Well, he said he'd release the files. I mean, and that was something that everybody was calling for. And then that was why Pam Bondi. And in my opinion, she got way over her skis, in, you know, her first couple of weeks in office. I mean, she went out in early February on Fox and promised to. Said, they're on. It's on my desk and everything. And then they had that whole binder gate situation, influencers at the White House. I mean, all of that was really bad pr. She should have taken a month or six weeks and really understood the landscape, because a lot of this stuff now it's coming out, is under court seal, and she doesn't have the authority to release it. And so, in my opinion, it would be far better instead of Trump going out there and just saying, well, just don't care about it anymore. And I don't. You know, that looks like he's hiding something to an average person. Right.

Jenna: I second Pam Bondi on draining the swamp

Or, like, what. What are you talking about? Don't you care about draining the swamp? I mean, that's a bad move. But if Pam Bondi just went out and said, listen, I'm trying to release everything I can. I've now, you know, since getting into this job, realized how much of this is under court order. We have to abide by that, and then start talking about all of these rogue judges and all of these other. The judiciary that is, that is protecting a lot of these bad actors and, you know, use that as a political talking point.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I, second that.

>> Tim Wildmon: You second that?

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: so I just want to note that that Jenna, who is from Colorado.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Who knows all about snow skiing, said that Pam Bondi, a native Floridian, got, quote, out over her skis.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, that's a. That's a good expression.

>> Tim Wildmon: It was a good. Good skiing metaphor.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: To describe, the action. Yeah. Pam Baughan. Yeah. Yeah. She shuts down, bless her heart. She. She set the expectation level way high. President Trump.

Florida's attorney general is investigating a restaurant for allegedly allowing children to attend event

and anyway, what's one other story we wanted to ask you about? What was that, Fred?

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. Florida's Attorney General, you are familiar with him, I know. Jenna, has announced an investigation against a restaurant in Vero beach, called the Guilted Mermaid. Killed Mermaid, something like that. Anyway, the allegation is they had an LGBTQ Pride event last month and that there are possibly children in attendance. That is in violation of a Florida law. Do I have that right?

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, it's Florida's Protection of Children act that was signed, and championed by our great, Governor Ron DeSantis, and it sought to punish venues for allowing children, to view or into what it called kind of live drag performances. This is a little different than just, you know, drag performance queen story time. And it's sad that we have to say just that, because on the Scale of this, that's still bad. But, you know, this is something that is clearly, adult content. And, you know, we would, of course, say it's not appropriate for any age, but especially for anyone under the age of 18. And so this, this venue apparently allowed this with children present. And so now there is, an investigation, opened into this because it's a violation of law. And I really applaud, Florida's attorney general for, going after some of these things and actually protecting children in the state of Florida. But it also raises the question, why don't we have legislation like this on a national level to ensure that, you know, children in red states like Florida shouldn't be more protected against, these types of, you know, graphic images that are in public, any more than children in blue states.

Jenna: Would you own Demand on Friday

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Jenna, tell us about the podcast. would you own Demand?

>> Jenna Ellis: yes. So, absolutely. I'm going to open it up next, week for this. So, my good friend Dinesh d' Souza is going to be my guest, and we are going to do a kind of what I like to call popcorn topics of just kind of this rapid fire. what does he think about each of the issues of the Trump mandate, over the last few six months? And what is the scorecard is the White House has put out that, press release on, July 20th that marks six months of the Trump administration. Where are we at on a conservative plumb line? And also where is Congress at? And, where are we going? So he's going to be my special guest own Demand on Friday.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so that's Dinesh d', Souza, coming, up on, Jenna's podcast this week. All right, Jenna, take care. Thank you so much.

>> Jenna Ellis: Thanks, guys.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, that's Jenna.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You're just not going to live that down. Well, not going to let you.

>> Tim Wildmon: I wrote it down phonetically just so. Because a lot of people in our country do use the word OEM the same way I do. They say it the same way I do.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I didn't know there was a different way on.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, they would. You heard Jenna. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, but they're gonna.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, but that's just a different word for me.

>> Tim Wildmon: yes.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Can be used in a different. Used with a different definition.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so just to be clear, then we'll move on. so Jenna's gonna say it on, right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: She would say on,

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, on, like, a N. Like, I'd say a N. No, she would say.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It like O, N the way it's supposed to,

>> Wesley Wildmon: Because y' all are all making my point. It's two different words.

>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, we're all Americans.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right. We can all get.

>> Tim Wildmon: Bridge. A Canadian American.

>> Fred Jackson: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: J.J. jasper often introduces himself as an Appalachian American. Since we're all segmenting ourselves, right. He says an Appalachian American.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm a New England American.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley and I guess are Mississippi Americans.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's what it is.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Why should, why should we be able to have a hype?

>> Tim Wildmon: Everybody, everybody needs a hyphen.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I want a hyphen.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

A massive great white shark is being tracked off Massachusetts this week

All right, so, I got this, I got this Shark Story, okay?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I want to hear, I want to.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hear this Shark Week, right? Is it Shark Discovery Channel, I don't.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Know, week down in the South.

>> Tim Wildmon: I know that it's what, Heat week. How hot is it, Ed?

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's. Well, it may not be Hades, but it's close enough to see the flames.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's yes, it's hot.

>> Wesley Wildmon: 104 right now.

>> Tim Wildmon: Index, heat index, where we live is.

>> Wesley Wildmon: 104 and you get it to one.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, they say inside Shark. Shark Week is, Shark Week now. I've seen it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Discovery Channel premiered, started, I think it started, July last week.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Anyway, but I want to hear the shark story.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, this is a, story on Fox News. A massive great white shark. We're talking Jaws now.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay. And it started this Sunday. You were right.

>> Tim Wildmon: This Shark Week.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yep, this week.

>> Tim Wildmon: I knew it was going on. I thought, I've got every episode videotaped.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Sharknado.

>> Tim Wildmon: A massive great white shark, the largest ever. I'm being serious now. Ever tagged in the Atlantic Ocean by a marine research group, is continuing its journey northward near a popular summer destination. The name they've named the sharp contender after a well known boat brand. And the shark was recently tracked several dozen miles off Nantucket, Massachusetts. I don't know who it's looking for it. You're from Massachusetts? Yeah, roughly, located roughly 100 miles off of Boston and 30 miles from Cape Cod. The island is well known tourist hot spot.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, now here's what I wanted to get to listen to the size of this, and they track it. You know, they have, they can tag these.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So they track this. They're tracking this, 14ft long. It's the largest they've ever found, as far as. And 16, 1700 pounds. 14ft.

>> Fred Jackson: Good gracious.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's a kind that eats you.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Great white.

>> Tim Wildmon: Huh?

>> Ed Vitagliano: And that's interesting. Nantucket may be be the inspiration for the Jaws book written by Peter Benchley, because it was took place off,

>> Tim Wildmon: The book became the movie Cape Cod, I think. Yeah, the book became the movie. It's actually the 50th anniversary, I think, of Jaws. This summer of really Jaws. Have you ever heard that? Oh, yeah. All right.

>> Fred Jackson: Sixteen hundred pounds.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Sixteen hundred pound shark.

>> Fred Jackson: That's like a Clydesdale with fins.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, there are sharks don't eat.

>> Tim Wildmon: I know. I'm just saying. That's gonna hurt. Okay. It's gonna hurt. We'll be back.

>> Ed Vitagliano: The views and opinions expressed in this.

>> Jenna Ellis: Broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.

Tim, Ed and Wesley talk with Fred on top news headlines of the day. Also, Jenna Ellis joins the program to discuss the latest information on Former President Obama and the Russia hoax.