Today's Issues continues on AFR with your. Host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

Tim Wildmon Hey, welcome back, everybody, to the radio program, Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr, Tim with Ed and Wesley. And now Steve Paisley Jordan joins us. Good morning, brother Steve.

Steve Jordahl Good morning, everybody.

Tim Wildmon So, somebody tell me when the first college football game is. Wesley, can you look that up?

Wesley Wildmon for this year?

Tim Wildmon Yeah, for this year.

Wesley Wildmon You're saying, like all time in history?

Tim Wildmon No, no. Well, you can do that later. Okay, for now, do the college, college football season. When does that start?

Steve Jordahl Because, looking forward to some disappointment there.

Ed Vitagliano August 23rd.

Tim Wildmon August 23rd. Who comes on TV?

Ed Vitagliano will be, too early. Most Division One program start their seasons the following week. Saturday, August 23rd, starts with week zero games. I'm not sure who that is.

Wesley Wildmon I was thinking Kansas State.

Ed Vitagliano There we go.

Wesley Wildmon You see Davis versus Mercer.

Steve Jordahl Oh, that's. That's huge.

Wesley Wildmon And Southern versus North Carolina Central.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, that's why I might not catch those. Tell me the 30th. August 30th. Give me a game or two.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah, that. So that's going to be. Well, August 28th is going to be a Thursday, I believe. And that's going to be Boise State versus South Florida.

Tim Wildmon I watch that.

Wesley Wildmon And then Saturday, what. What date is August 30th?

Ed Vitagliano 30Th. Saturday is Mississippi State at Southern Miss. That's of interest to you?

Tim Wildmon Yes, it is.

Ed Vitagliano Syracuse, Tennessee, Texas, OHI State.

Tim Wildmon Hey, that's some good games right there.

Ed Vitagliano Yes, it is. let's see on down the line. Alabama, Florida State.

Tim Wildmon I'm just saying, if you've been depressed by the state of the world, is.

Wesley Wildmon August 28 is the date you're looking at.

Tim Wildmon College football is almost here. And who doesn't love college football? Right? The pageantry and the emotions and in my case, the losing the. No. Hope springs eternal. no. So. So we're gonna, we're gonna college. I do. Listen, I'll watch any. I like to watch the college football. What's a game day? Yeah. Espn. And this is Lee Corso. He's going to do one more show and then he's gone and he's. He's out.

Ed Vitagliano One more season or one more.

Tim Wildmon No, one more pro, one more show.

Ed Vitagliano Oh, okay.

Tim Wildmon He said health issues. Lee Corso, the guy. This guy who puts on the. The head of the mascot.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon The team he chooses, you know, that's kind of a tradition. Go ahead, West.

Wesley Wildmon So what I was looking at, Is August 28th through August 30th. There's a handful of big games.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Wesley Wildmon But a lot of teams are holding off until that September. September, first.

Tim Wildmon So anyway, I just know that a lot of our folks do like college football. Looking forward to it. All right, Steve, what do you got for us?

Steve Jordahl Bucknell is coming to Air Force week one.

Tim Wildmon Oh, you're Air Force fan?

Steve Jordahl Oh, yeah.

Tim Wildmon Okay. Yeah. You lived in Colorado.

Steve Jordahl I lived in Colorado Springs.

Bucknell plays Alabama in a pay game on Saturday

My boss was the island. Well, the boss I used to have is the current play by play guy for Air Force. That we were the home station for Air Force.

Tim Wildmon Colorado Springs.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon So Bucknell's rolling in.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano Oh, man.

Steve Jordahl It's one of those.

Ed Vitagliano Wait.

Tim Wildmon It's one of those gonna be electricity in the air.

Steve Jordahl It's one of those pay games, you.

Tim Wildmon Know, Every school has them. Yeah, every school has them. M. You. You pay a, smaller school,

Steve Jordahl A bunch of money.

Tim Wildmon $500,000 to come to your stadium. The. The co. Alabama used to play somebody like, I don't know, Murray State. Not Murray State, but some morehead, State or somebody. And they would say, yeah, I remember the ad for that smaller school.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Said, yeah, we'll go to Tuscaloosa and take our beating. Yeah, we know we're going to get for 500,000 killed.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon But we're going to take away a check and go home.

Steve Jordahl They get the money.

Tim Wildmon And if you're the ad, if you're the athletic director, you don't. You got to have your money coming from somewhere.

Steve Jordahl Alabama has a practice game.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. And everybody knows it.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon You know, everybody knows. Everybody's happy with it. You know, take your beat down.

Ed Vitagliano That's right.

Tim Wildmon then. Now, the head coach doesn't go into the locker room before the game and goes, all right, fellas, we're here to be a sacrificial lamb. Who's with me?

Wesley Wildmon Yeah.

Tim Wildmon All right.

Ed Vitagliano That coach is saying, if you give.

Tim Wildmon 100, you give 110%. Give us M. Ever effort every play.

Ed Vitagliano Make your tackles.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. You got your blocks. Then that, that. Then we'll chance we'll have a shot. I'll scheme us up some X's and O's and trick plays. We'll be in it. We'll. We'll beat Alabama.

Wesley Wildmon A good coach would go into those games saying, here's the three things we're wanting to accomplish.

Ed Vitagliano There you go.

Tim Wildmon Number one, don't get injured. Number oh, here's three things.

Wesley Wildmon Don't turn over the ball.

Tim Wildmon Right.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Wesley Wildmon Have A strategy.

Tim Wildmon Right, right, right.

Ed Vitagliano And that's coming from a baseball coach.

Tim Wildmon Right there, I would say.

Wesley Wildmon I've been in games like that.

Tim Wildmon Do under others as you would have them do under you.

Wesley Wildmon no, I actually, that. And that's after we get off the field. When you're on the field, you don't do unto others as you want them to. You're trying to win.

Tim Wildmon All right, go ahead, Steve.

Israel launches 160 airstrikes on Syrian regime on outskirts of Damascus

Steve Jordahl All right, we do have some breaking news. Israel has launched over 160 airstrikes on Damascus. And what they are doing is they are.

Tim Wildmon Syria. Syria.

Steve Jordahl In Syria. Well, the outskirts of Damascus. IDF has undertaken 160 aerial attacks on the Syrian regime in and around the vicinity of Sweda in northern southern Syria. What they are doing is they are trying to protect the Druze. The Syrian Druze are being what? The IDF says they're being slaughtered by the new administration in Syria. So they have launched. They are, protecting the Druze in, Syria. And. But this is direct military action against Syria. So it's just a breaking news story. I don't know what to make of it. I heard Marco Rubio say, he was very concerned. He sounded like he didn't know it was going to happen. I don't know.

Ed Vitagliano But, now the Assad regime was basically overthrown with the help of the Biden administration. Correct.

Steve Jordahl When Iran, lost its, Syria. I'm sorry, Syria is an Iranian proxy. They, the, the terrorists that were coming out of Syria were being funded by Iran. When Iran lost their credibility and really was under Trump. I don't know. When Bashar al Assad left, it was.

Ed Vitagliano The end of 2024.

Steve Jordahl There you go. So it would have been. And the Biden administration, and then they have a new government there that is headed by. And I don't know his name, but he is a former terrorist. Former Al Qaeda guy.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, it's a, it's a more radical regime.

Steve Jordahl Well, yes, but he's saying he wants to join the, the family of nations. So he's saying all the right things about religious freedom. There was a massacre of Syrians, a Greek Orthodox church. And the big question, outgoing was now that this has happened, a tragedy. Is the Syrian government, new Syrian government, going to stand up for religious freedom and persecute, prosecute the offenders, find them and, and stand up. So apparently the Druze are not on the, welcome list in Syria. So it doesn't look good for the, government in Syria right now.

No more paper checks for Social Security starting in September

Ed Vitagliano Okay.

Steve Jordahl All right. If you are receiving a Social Security Check. You have something we need to tell you. You will no longer be getting a paper check starting, in September. You have till September. You need to sign up and have this automatically deposited to your bank account electronically. They will no longer be doing paper checks.

Ed Vitagliano And we wanted, we wanted this story, mentioned today because we wanted our listeners who receive Social Security to be aware of this. Yeah, I hadn't heard about, I didn't hear about this until you brought it up in our story meeting.

Steve Jordahl Actually, Tim, Tim said it to you in an email, but I understand why you didn't see that.

Ed Vitagliano Well, I saw it from somebody. The abuse is going to continue whether it's Fred and you're.

Tim Wildmon Listen, I'm 62.

Wesley Wildmon You notice I always. I'm, I'm easy on you.

Ed Vitagliano I appreciate that. Thank you.

Tim Wildmon So I'm 62 now. And so when I'm scanning the news, anything that says Social Security, my shoot to it immediately because I want to know, you know, what's going, what's happening with it. Social, security. So, yeah, so they're going totally electronic. No more paper checks for Social Security. And you're right, we did want to.

Steve Jordahl Tell people all federal payments, actually, but really? Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Well, the federal government is going to save a lot of money by not using the. Having to pay postage. Well, that's the idea, I think.

Steve Jordahl And they say that paper checks are more than 16 times. 16 times more likely to be reported stolen.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Steve Jordahl Physical checks are more likely to be returned.

Tim Wildmon but how do you do this? Does it say how you do this? Because there are a lot of people who are, you know, who are, who are getting Social Security checks now who are going to go, well, how do I switch over? What do I need to do?

Steve Jordahl Registration can be completed at the government's Go Direct website. I didn't look up the URL, but.

Tim Wildmon It'S probably Go direct. if you get Social Security and you get a physical check in your mailbox, you need to know that that's going to stop whether you like it or not. Yeah, it's going to stop in September. So that's just a few weeks away. So you need to, if you don't, if you don't know how to take care of your own business there, get somebody to help you.

Steve Jordahl This is going to be a problem. A lot of, most of the people who get Social Security are older by definition. Right. And probably a little less comfortable with the technology. So it is going to be an issue. And the website is go direct.gov g o d I r e c t one word.gov.

Ed Vitagliano We do recommend that you get a. we're not trying to be funny here, folks, okay? I'm an old person now. Okay, so get someone younger to help you set this up so you don't go to the wrong website and give your information.

Tim Wildmon Right.

Ed Vitagliano Your bank account.

Steve Jordahl Oh, my gosh, can you imagine?

Ed Vitagliano Some scammer.

Tim Wildmon I. True. There's. There's probably going to be a lot of fraud associated.

Wesley Wildmon Now, did you just give them, the scammers an idea?

Ed Vitagliano Oh, you think they're waiting on me to get it?

Tim Wildmon They're not short of ideas.

Steve: You have to start taking Social Security at what age? 70

all right, so, yeah, we did want. We did public service announcement. Right?

Steve Jordahl There you go.

Tim Wildmon Wanted people to be aware of this. Now, did you take your Social Security? You delay.

Ed Vitagliano I have not. I'm delaying it. I'm still working. Well, you're getting awfully personal, but, probably, I don't know, probably 70. I'm not that far away from it.

Steve Jordahl You have to start taking it at what age?

Tim Wildmon 70?

Ed Vitagliano I think it's 70.

Tim Wildmon Isn't that right? What about you?

Steve Jordahl I'm waiting till then, too, because you can work.

Wesley Wildmon You can work and still take it, right?

Ed Vitagliano Yes.

Wesley Wildmon Okay.

Ed Vitagliano Yes.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano And hopefully I'd like to work here if I'm healthy, to. Till I'm 72.

Tim Wildmon Is there. Seemed like there was a. Ah. Wesley asked the question, can you work and get Social Security?

Ed Vitagliano You can, but you pay taxes past a certain point.

Tim Wildmon Okay. All right, so, Go ahead, Steve.

We may be friends, but you're crossing the line with this

Next story. I don't want to get too personal with any. I got. I got personal with it. He let me know about it. We may be friends, but you're crossing the line.

Ed Vitagliano But I told you, didn't I? Yeah, I told you. I answered your question.

Tim Wildmon You did. You did.

The Trump poll numbers for President Trump are having some problems

Steve Jordahl All right. the Trump, poll numbers are, having some problems. This is. I want to play you a quote from poll numbers.

Tim Wildmon What now?

Steve Jordahl The. The Trump poll numbers for President Trump. President Trump's poll numbers.

Tim Wildmon Okay.

Steve Jordahl And this is the, lead guy, at Rasmussen. And for some reason I didn't write his name down. His name is Mark.

Tim Wildmon Probably Raspberry.

Steve Jordahl No, it's not Rasmussen. He's the chief pollster at rap.

Tim Wildmon Oh, okay.

Steve Jordahl Rasmussen. So who is the chief pollster at Rasmussen? And his name is.

Tim Wildmon Used to be Scott.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, Scott Rasmussen.

Tim Wildmon That was his name.

Steve Jordahl I can't, Mitchell. Yes. Mark Mitchell.

Tim Wildmon Mark M. Mark.

Ed Vitagliano Mark. Mark Mitchell.

Wesley Wildmon Really?

Ed Vitagliano I just found it.

Steve Jordahl Yes, Mark Mitchell. So we're going to hear Mark Mitchell, he's going to talk about, I'm sorry, I wrote the list and I didn't put his name down. he's going to talk about Trump's poll numbers and how they were going up. In fact, he's going to tell you that they were getting ready to go north of President Obama's numbers at the same time, but instead they are going south of Joe Biden's numbers. Let's listen to cut six.

Speaker E He hit net plus eight June 15, which was also, I will admit, the first day that Israel attacked Iran. I think it was June 13th. And it's been downhill since then. So he's lost 12 points. Now he's underwater four points. Where I was going into July 4th was I said, well, Trump's probably a day or two away from crossing over Obama's numbers and where are we now? Donald Trump is crossing under Joe Biden's numbers. And so that's a pretty big reversal in less than a week. The big one is Epstein and people keep downplaying it, but this is not about a guy who died in 2019. This is about a representation of two tier justice and about unaccountable government.

Steve Jordahl And I don't, I don't know what he does. Unaccountable government. That's what, that's what he says is the reason that maga, the base and his poll ratings are going south.

Ed Vitagliano I would not argue. And then we'll toss it to Wesley here. Give Wesley a shot. I would not doubt that that's probably as, as good an explanation for that turnaround as there is in one week to do that. You're about to cross over and become more popular than Barack Obama at this stage of your, administration. And then now to be trending towards less popular than Joe Biden. There's only one thing during that week's period that has captured the imagination of the, of the MAGA base and the American people and it's the Epstein files slash list.

Steve Jordahl The ICE raids are up there too. But that's that is, that's the.

Ed Vitagliano ICE race have been going on for a while.

Steve Jordahl They have been and they are, not unpopular with his base, with Trump base anyway.

Ed Vitagliano What do you think, Wesley?

Wesley Wildmon Well, I'm trying to understand, as we all are at times, because all I'm reading here, I don't see the audio of it, but Trump said yesterday that Pam, Bonnie, she's handling it. This is a quote, she's handling it very well. And it's going to be up to her, whatever she thinks is incredible. She should release it. So it was incredible.

Tim Wildmon Credible, you say? Credible. Whatever's happening with Jeffrey Epstein story. Yes, that's what he's saying. That's what he's talking about.

Wesley Wildmon So as of yesterday afternoon, he's telling her he's a little on your own. Yeah, you're on your own. But it's also a little different than it was.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Wesley Wildmon Three days ago when he said why are we still talking about.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, nobody cares.

Wesley Wildmon Nobody cares.

Mark Mitchell says President Trump's numbers took a 10 point reversal

Tim Wildmon All right, so, this is interesting because, that makes sense. What you shared, Steve, with a gentleman. The Rasmussen's.

Ed Vitagliano Mark Mitchell.

Tim Wildmon Mark Mitchell is a very, Rasmussen is a very, reputable polling firm. So I do pay attention to what they have to say. And he's saying President Trump's numbers took. Is that a 10 point reversal?

Ed Vitagliano I think he said 12 point.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. Ah, 12 point reversal. That, that would explain the, his dismissal of the Epstein files, so to speak, for lack of a better. Whatever they're called. That, that's it. That's there. That's it. That's the poll. The polling. He's probably down with a lot of the MAGA voters. That's right. And at least temporarily. I don't think that'll. That'll.

Wesley Wildmon It won't. It won't stay.

Tim Wildmon They won't stay. But they're. They were upset about his handling of the

Ed Vitagliano Which might, which might be the indication.

Wesley Wildmon For why he said what he did yesterday.

Ed Vitagliano He said yesterday, Pam Bondi should, if there's anything credible, she should release it.

Tim Wildmon I thought she said there wasn't, but she did that.

Ed Vitagliano Double check right now.

Wesley: The general consensus was that Trump blew it on this one

Tim Wildmon All right, let's, Well, Wesley, you followed a lot of the podcasters and you, you at least pay attention to the quote MAGA world. Okay? M. I'm talking about the hardcore folks who kind of generate the message that they represents a lot of Americans. What, what. And you said the general consensus was that Trump blew it on this one, right? Last week?

Wesley Wildmon Well, no, actually they. Some of them held out to comment on it and the ones that did unfortunately said a lot of the same Pam, Bonnie information. They just basically repeated what Carlson didn't know. Tucker Carlson didn't Chuck the Carlson. But see, he's one of his own. I'm not so sure.

Ed Vitagliano Charlie Kirk didn't either, did he or.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah, he did.

Ed Vitagliano He's supportive.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, probably. Kirk did what?

Wesley Wildmon I'm confused with Tucker Carson. Are you including him in on the MAGA bus? Because I.

Tim Wildmon Would you not. Okay.

Wesley Wildmon No, he. Well, I, I don't think he knows what bus he's on. He got off, he wakes up, he.

Ed Vitagliano Got off on the last stop.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, he is all over the place. Yeah. I agree. You're char on some things on something. Go ahead.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah, you're Charlie Kirk's.

Give me three leaders of the MAGA movement outside of government right now

Tim Wildmon Give me three, Matt, give me three, give me three letters. Give me three leaders of the MAGA movement that you would consider outside of the government right now.

Wesley Wildmon Well, you got, you got Charlie Kirk, you got Dinesta, and there's Dinesh.

Tim Wildmon D', Souza, I think.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon And then you got. Who, Steve Bannon.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah, you got Steve Bannon and there's others as well. But what. Yeah, but there's a handful. Like I said, Some of them didn't comment. It was kind of split amongst the MAGA leaders. Some of them just didn't comment yet. They're still, you know, holding out on an opinion on the Epstein. And then you did have some that did, comment and they seem to follow Pambani. Now. What I'm referring to was a week ago on his first comment. But now all of them have taken what Trump said yesterday as a, as a. This, we're revisiting this and we're coming back, we're dub. We're coming back for more. Like they're just getting started. So I just, I don't think they're letting it go.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Wesley Wildmon Now, whether they get something that's satisfying or not from it is yet to be determined. I just know the way this was set up By Pam Bondi 3 months ago Is if, ah, anything short of somebody going to prison, Mag is not going to be happy. So I think they've messed up by making this a bigger deal than they're willing to visit.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Steve Berman: President Trump dismissed the Epstein list last week as silliness

All right. Steve, what do you think about all this?

Steve Jordahl I think that, yeah, I agree with, Mark Mitchell that it's not about the sex crimes and all that kind of stuff. It's about holding people accountable. They thought there was a list. They thought there were going to be a lot of big Democrat names on it. And they wanted people held accountable. There's just, there's been a two tier system of justice in this country. We saw it with a lawfare we're seeing now with just every time, the, the Justice Department starts an investigation into a Democrat, they say, oh, law fair, law fair. Like they weren't doing that for the last five years.

Tim Wildmon All right, I'm just going to make an observation here and don't, I don't Please don't ask me to defend it because I may not be able to. I'm just making a gut. Visceral.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon In the moment. Sharing on my heart. Yes.

Ed Vitagliano Share your heart.

Tim Wildmon Mushroom. A heart.

Ed Vitagliano You got to.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. You got.

Ed Vitagliano You can't keep it in.

Tim Wildmon No, I can't keep it in. nobody experienced, the. That more than President Trump. Talking about law firm, law fair and the two. Two tier.

Steve Jordahl Absolutely.

Tim Wildmon Now, it did come back finally to get, Hunter Biden and some others. But I'm talking about, President Trump doesn't care about this. Okay. He dismissed it last week and as silliness, basically. And so. And Pam Bondi says there's nothing to release. Right. So it's.

Wesley Wildmon On what day? You ask her, but go ahead.

Tim Wildmon Well, well, that may be true, but she needs to come out and release everything that she has, if she has anything. But according to President Trump, it's not an important issue. Remember, people are still talking about Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. Like, he was oblivious to, to this. And so that was kind of stunning. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if there is anything to release or not.

Ed Vitagliano well, none of us do. Okay. But the, the comments from people like, of course, Pam Bondi saying the Epstein list is on my desk. Maybe she misspoke. I'll give her the file.

Tim Wildmon She said foul, I think.

Ed Vitagliano Well, she was asked about the list.

Steve Jordahl She said, she said, the file is on my desk.

Ed Vitagliano No, I thought she said, it's on my desk.

Steve Jordahl I have to look.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah. along with the JFK file. And so. So I'm saying I may grant her that. Maybe she misspoke. Okay. But we have Alan Dershowitz, who, whatever it was a year or so ago, said, no, there's a list. I saw the list. I can't tell you who's on it because I, Under a gag order, there's a list. And then what was it? Alex, Acosta or whatever. He said he was told by members of the intelligence community that it was a blackmail opera.

Tim Wildmon All those.

Ed Vitagliano So all those kind of statements are out there, which makes people wonder if there's a cover up. And so all I'm saying is the Trump administration, whoever does it, needs to have a clear the air press conference where they say Pam Bondi misspoke. There is no list. There are no videos of people engaging in these kinds of actions at the Epstein. They need to have. They need to clear all that up.

Steve Jordahl It doesn't matter to Donald Trump until It affects his poll numbers. And when his poll numbers go down, the rest of his agenda is in danger.

Ed Vitagliano Which to your point here with the Rasmussen guy, Mark Mitchell, he's going to start paying attention. He may have to start paying attention.

You don't believe in the moderation when it comes to youth baseball

Wesley Wildmon We have time for anything else?

Tim Wildmon Go.

Wesley Wildmon No, I'm talking about.

Tim Wildmon No, we don't.

Wesley Wildmon We don't.

Tim Wildmon We don't know. Especially since I had time to share my heart.

Ed Vitagliano Well, listen, you don't. Don't cut your.

Tim Wildmon Cut yourself some slack, okay?

Ed Vitagliano You keep that kind of stuff inside it.

Tim Wildmon It Right.

Ed Vitagliano Takes years off your.

Tim Wildmon I know. how many diet coats you have this show. Just one.

Ed Vitagliano Just one.

Tim Wildmon Just one. It's good for you. Showing some self discipline.

Wesley Wildmon That's right.

Wesley Wildmon I believe in everything. In moderation.

Ed Vitagliano Not when you get a pizza.

Wesley Wildmon No, that's the only thing. In non moderation.

Tim Wildmon The only thing. No. You don't believe in the moderation when it comes to youth baseball?

Wesley Wildmon No, that's true. Comparatively speaking, our deer hunting for a three months. M. Did you just see how I did that? Yeah, I said comparatively. There's always somebody that does more than you and always somebody who's worse.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, I always get people who criticize you for your hobby.

Wesley Wildmon Oh, no.

Tim Wildmon And. But their hobby is okay. It's okay.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano It's in the Bible.

Wesley Wildmon I was, I was. I had one guy, he had no idea I coached travel ball. He had no idea what, what. How I did it, the way it was done. But all he knew was all he had was the impression of the worst possible scenario and he, he presented it. And then I come to find out he went to do piano lessons twice a week.