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>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to AFR. today's Thursday, July 31, 2025. So say goodbye, July. Joining me in studio is Fred Jackson. Good morning, Fred.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, I'm not going to miss it.

>> Tim Wildmon: well, you've got August to look forward to here, Fred, in the sunny South.

>> Fred Jackson: But we're going to say a little Ray in just a second. I want to ask Ray, the temperature in Kansas City this morning.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ray Pritchard in Kansas City, Ray, right.

Fred: Temperatures have dropped almost 30 degrees in the last 15 hours

>> Tim Wildmon: Now, Fred, Today It's a balmy 72 degrees.

>> Fred Jackson: Amen.

>> Tim Wildmon: It was 95 or something. 97 yesterday. We've dropped almost 30 degrees in the last 15 hours.

>> Fred Jackson: Why, thank you, Canada.

>> Tim Wildmon: Tsunami.

>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you, Canada.

>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you, thank you, Canada. Oh, Canada.

>> Tim Wildmon: So, oh, Canada.

>> Tim Wildmon: Chris Woodward's in studio. Good morning, Chris.

>> Chris Woodward: Good morning.

>> Tim Wildmon: So I want to get this straight. So what you're saying, Fred, and I understand the sensitivity here because in the United, in the, in the United States, we often blame our bitter cold weather in the winter for. On, thanks, Canada. Yeah, right. For sending that, Arctic blast down our way. So if we're going to do that, to be fair.

>> Tim Wildmon: Give them, give them credit.

>> Tim Wildmon: Give credit. In the summer when Canada sends a, a coal, a cooler. Snap dab, I should say.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: For a lot of the folks now, that never arrived here in Tupelo, I'll tell you that.

>> Fred Jackson: Not yet.

>> Tim Wildmon: Is it going to.

>> Fred Jackson: We're going to get down and if you live in the south, you're going to understand this. We're going to get down to a nice 85 degrees.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, man, that's beautiful. That's a beautiful thing right there.

>> Fred Jackson: And overnight, I think early next week, we're actually going to get down to about 69.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: Overnight we'll have a tornado followed by night storm.

>> Tim Wildmon: You're getting, you're getting toward football weather.

>> Chris Woodward: I'm not, I'm not a business or realist. I just live in Mississippi and that's how things roll.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so we hope that you're having a nice weather day wherever, whatever. How are you define that and wherever you are. I try not to complain about hot weather weather because as folks know who listen to this show, I, detest cold weather. and so I, you know, don't need to complain with this other way. So anyway, we'll see. fall will be here before you know it. you're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. As we said, Ray, haven't done this in a while with you, but give us a good word from the Bible if you would.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, how about some good news and some bad news? Okay. From the same text of the Bible. Marlene and I have been doing our Bible listening and we're near the end of second Kings. And if you know the Bible, first second Kings, you get this. There's this king up north and king down south and king up north and king. It's really hard, it's really hard to keep your, to keep the chronology of everything straight. And you get near the end of second Kings and you run into a, guy by the name of Hezekiah. He was the king in the south and a good king. He, ah, was a really good king, loved the Lord, tried to follow the Lord and it's great. And you read on, he died and he's replaced by this fellow Manasseh, who was the worst king Judah ever had. It says he filled Jerusalem with blood. He might as well have been a BAAL worshiper, but basically what he was, he offered his own son in the fire, he erected an Asherah pole, he led the people into unbelievable spiritual corruption. God says, he said to Judah, this is it. You followed this wicked king. Judgment is coming and it's just, it's excoriating and how bad Manasseh was. So he dies and his son Amon, a m o n replaces him for tears. And he was a no goodnik either. He didn't, he didn't follow the Lord. So he dies. And who shows up on the scene? Josiah. Josiah, the greatest king, the greatest king of Judah, the greatest king since King David. And let me just read this. Josiah was 8 years old, 8 years old when he became king. And he reigned in Jerusalem 31 years. He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord and walked in all the ways of his father David. He did not turn aside to the right or to the left. And there's this long description in 2nd Kings 22 and 23. I mean, you talk about cleaning house, brother. He. He came in, Josiah. He came into an ugly mess, and he cleaned house. And God blessed the nation of Judah. And, actually, they lasted longer than they would have because Josiah was the king. And you say, so what's the good news? The good news is that really immediately after the worst, king Manasseh, the wicked beyond belief, God raises up a little boy by the name of Josiah.

>> Fred Jackson: He.

>> Tim Wildmon: He becomes king, and God uses him. You know, at afr, we talk a lot about turning the culture around. And sometimes it's, Fred, you read the headlines, and sometimes it's easy to despair. But I read this story of the boy king whom God used. No, nation, no family, no church is ever beyond the grace of God. You're never beyond the reach of what God can do. So that's the really good news from this, that the darker the night, the brighter the light shines. So friends don't stop working and praying for revival in your family, in your church, in your home. And yes, across America, you say, well, what's the bad news? Well, just a, sober warning. After all that Josiah did, he died. His son, Jehoahaz.

Fred: Tim, there's a double message in Second Kings about repentance

You think that Jehoahaz would have learned from his dad? He didn't. He did not walk in the way of the Lord. just a reminder that the price of spiritual freedom and liberty and revival is eternal vigilance. Take nothing for granted. Just because one generation serve the Lord doesn't mean the next one will. Each generation must follow and find the Lord on its own. So there it is, Tim, you got some good news and just, something to think about from the closing chapters of Second Kings.

>> Fred Jackson: Right? Correct me if I'm wrong. Later on in scripture, does it mention something about Manasseh having a change of heart yet?

>> Tim Wildmon: It does. It does. That is so fascinating, because Manasseh's repentance, first of all, you almost think that's impossible, because, Fred, the list of sins this guy did, he was. He was evil beyond belief. And the story of his repentance is not found in Second Kings, but it is mentioned in Second Chronicles. So should we expect to see Manasseh in heaven? Yes, because the story of his repentance is told. And yet sin always brings consequences, doesn't it? The judgment still came. So I suppose that there's a. There's a double message here. One, it's, never too Late to turn to the Lord. But turning to the Lord doesn't mean you will escape all the consequences of the bad decisions you have made. There's so much to read from the Old Testament.

>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.

>> Fred Jackson: There is.

Josiah had his own version of what we call the deep state

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you mentioned Josiah, King Josiah. And what you said was basically he had his own version of what we call the deep state. Yeah, he did that he had to deal with.

>> Tim Wildmon: It was really deep and clean out.

>> Tim Wildmon: Josiah. King Josiah. But you're, reading from what, what book in the.

>> Tim Wildmon: What, Second Kings.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, Second Kings, Second Kings.

>> Tim Wildmon: And Josiah Tim was eight years old. How many eight year olds do you know are ready to become king of a nation?

>> Fred Jackson: He must have had some good advisors.

>> Tim Wildmon: He had to have some good guys.

>> Chris Woodward: He's 43 and don't want to do it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, eight years old.

Police arrest 28 year old school teacher accused of murdering married couple in Arkansas

All right, what, get started with the news of the day. Yes, people are familiar, most people, they're listening. Are familiar with what happened in, in northwest Arkansas a few days ago. Chris, what was that story about?

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, there was a couple, a married couple, and they were hiking with their children at Devil's Den State park over the weekend. Devil's Den State park is between Fayetteville and Fort Smith in Arkansas. And the couple was murdered in front of their children. And police search high and low for the person responsible. And police think they have the person responsible now. That's the update in a story you can find on our website afn.net Arkansas police charged a 28 year old school teacher in the murder of that married couple who again were hiking with their kids at Devil's Den State Park. They found him in a nearby city after a five day search and public pleas for trail goers, to look through their photos. I've got some audio here from a press conference announcing the arrest. Let's begin with Arkansas Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who had this to say.

>> Jenna Ellis: Clip 6 if you commit a violent, senseless act here in our state, our law enforcement will hunt you down and bring you to justice.

>> Chris Woodward: Now, Clinton David Brink, 43 years old, and Kristin Amanda Brink, 41, were found dead on that walking trail at Devil's Den. Their daughters are ages 7 and 9. They were not hurt. They're being cared for by family members. But guys, it was weird Monday when we talked about this because we didn't have information on how exactly the couple died. We didn't have a lot of information on the case to begin with. And that's still the case today even though police say they've made an arrest here. There are still a lot of details that have yet to be announced.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. I was hoping they would have a press conference this morning. They being the police, law enforcement. Well, I'm watching one on the Internet. we may. Is that, is that live?

>> Fred Jackson: no, that. We have a video on our website of this gentleman. He's a director of the state police. Okay, just announcing.

>> Chris Woodward: I'll post the link for you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. So the suspect arrested James Andrew McGann. M back Gann of Springdale, Arkansas was arrested Wednesday and charged with two counts of capital murder in the killings of 43 year old. I'm repeating what a lot of what Chris said, but Arkansas State Police announced 43 year old gentleman, Clinton David Brink and his wife 41 year old Kristin Amanda Brink. They were fatally attacked while out hiking with their two daughters at Devil's Den State Park, July 26. Children ages 7 and 9 were not harmed in the incident. What everybody wants to know is why did he do this?

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, we know a little bit more about him, this 28 year old.

>> Tim Wildmon: And if he did it, I should say he was arrested and charged. But until he's convicted it's still what we call suspect. Alleged.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes. Andrew James McCann. Very interesting. According to the AP, McCann was a teacher at a small Oklahoma school district until May this year. He then resigned to take a job, in Arkansas. He was supposed to start teaching. The story, also says the reports on McCann say that, you know, he wonder went to get the teaching job. He underwent a very extensive background check and apparently everything cleared. Which just adds to the mystery. There doesn't appear to be any record of committing any other crimes. And so everybody is kind of scratching their head as to why he would murder this. He allegedly murdered this couple, left the kids. Okay. He didn't touch the kids at all. So the question then becomes did he know this couple from a prior relationship?

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. That's what everybody wants to know.

>> Fred Jackson: You know, what is the motive, right, for this guy?

>> Tim Wildmon: Did he use a. Did he shoot him or did he use a knife and, or machine? How did he.

>> Fred Jackson: the assumption right now I think is a shooting, but we can't say that for sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, you know, Ray needs to be recognized. The Arkansas State Police and the local law enforcement there, they, they found out who this was pretty quick.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, this is, this is a very strange situation because that's a, that's a remote area, right? And, and those, those trails, I mean they're Rough. You don't go there in high heels. Right. you better have your hiking stuff on. You could fall this way, fall that way. There's not any. You get back on those trails, there's no cell service.

>> Tim Wildmon: Mountainous, too.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, it's mountainous. So what was that guy doing there? Did he just. Was this just a crime of opportunity? In which then. And how did the kids escape? So there are a lot of questions we don't. We can't answer. But kudos to the park police, state police, local police, and to the FBI thing. This guy so quickly.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Again, he is a suspect.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: And he's been charged. And he. But. So it's alleged that he did this. He'll have his day in court, as they say. But 28 years old.

Chris: Can you carry a gun in a state park

There was a picture released by the, Arkansas State Police. I don't know when the picture was released, but it's from. It's a picture from behind of a person. and that was used to. That picture was used as a. I guess put out to the public as a, picture of the. Of the potential suspect.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. The police had asked, other people who were in the park at this time, if they had photos that they were taking of the scenery or whatever the case. Because sometimes photos catch other things.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Fred Jackson: And I believe that photo that you're referring to was one of those photos. They also, issued in the last 24 hours or 48 hours, an artist sketch of what they thought, who they thought was the suspect. So obviously they talked to some people who were in the park at the time, and they told them, I, saw a guy that looked like this. but it's very interesting. the suspect was picked up. He was sitting in a barber's chair.

>> Fred Jackson: and that's where they arrested him. Ah, late yesterday afternoon.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. can you carry a gun in a state park? I bet you can in Arkansas. I asked this question the other day. Maybe we. Nobody knows the answer.

>> Chris Woodward: yes. according to, the Internet, yes and no. the Arkansas State Secretary, of state's office says public display of firearms is prohibited. Concealed handguns are allowed in some areas, but must be secure. that's, from the Arkansas Secretary of State's office.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, okay, so you don't think about this happening, Right? You don't think. Well, it will. You don't think you would be shot, and killed by somebody on a state park hiking trail? I mean, that. Has that ever even happened before? But I'm thinking you, do want to take a weapon. If you think, well, we might be. Have a snake or you might have a, bear. Bear or mountain lion or what? I don't know. There's all kind of things that could happen, you know what I'm saying, that you would. You need a gun for. Yeah. and so I would, but, you know, people go out and they go, I mean, I would do the same thing, frankly, going on a. We're going to go an hour to a trail here. Nobody thinks about, you know, somebody's going to be, lying in wait to kill me. For what reason? So it, it will be interesting. I use this for. Two people are dead. Two and two. I don't mean this just to sound like just a cold news story that two people are dead and their two children are scarred for life. Yeah. Because they had to watch this. I don't know how they escaped, or, came to us. I don't know how it unfolded.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Post murder.

>> Chris Woodward: But you talk about, you know, carrying a firearm to protect yourself, given the incident at the Michigan Walmart this week where the guy stabbed 11 people. I mean, you got people now that want to take a gun, just go buy some groceries.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you know, can't blame people.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Can't blame people for, for wanting to carry a gun everywhere. Because, look, look, the dangers are everywhere.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: So.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And the risk. you're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio, but we'll, see what motive is discovered if. If any. go ahead, Chris.

Delta flight from Salt Lake City to Amsterdam hit by serious turbulence; 25 hospitalized

>> Chris Woodward: Well, in another story on our website, a Delta Airlines flight from Salt Lake City to Amsterdam was hit by serious turbulence, sending 25 passengers to hospitals and forcing the flight to divert to Minneapolis St. Paul International Airport. this was an Airbus A3330. 900. Fred knows more about that than I do.

>> Tim Wildmon: I know a lot about those, too.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. It can seat over 250 people, and it landed around 7:45 last night. There is a quote in our. And I'll share this on our Facebook page. One of the people on board the plane told ABC News, one passenger said people who weren't wearing seat belts were thrown about the cabin. She said they hit the ceiling and then they fell to the ground. And the carts also hit the ceiling and fell to the ground and people were injured. It happened several times.

>> Tim Wildmon: The cart was really like the carts. They rolled down the aisle.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Food and beverage.

>> Chris Woodward: And if one of those things bumps your elbow, it hurts.

>> Tim Wildmon: Things weigh a lot.

>> Chris Woodward: Oh, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: They would hit the ceiling yeah. Why? Have you ever been on a plane where, they did. Usually pilots nowadays, they say, right, right, secure everything. Yeah, because we're going to run into some turbulence. But in this case, they didn't know about it. didn't know it was going to hit.

>> Chris Woodward: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, it's.

>> Tim Wildmon: Look what kind of turbulence. What One of those carts. Weighs a lot, right. For it to go. You're saying it went up, hit the, hit the ceiling of the aircraft and.

>> Tim Wildmon: Then came back, wonder somebody wasn't killed.

>> Fred Jackson: This was, this was, the authorities are saying clear air. What's called clear air turbulence. In other words, pilots, when they have weather and weather in front of them, you know, big thunderclouds, you can. They'll move around them, they'll fly around them, they'll get clearance from ATC and they'll fly around them. But this particular aircraft took off from Salt Lake City heading to Amsterdam. Obviously they are at a fairly high altitude at that point and, in clear air. And what? Clear air turbulence?

>> Tim Wildmon: Basically you're saying clear air turbulence.

>> Fred Jackson: That is correct.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Fred Jackson: All right, so there's no clouds, and no other pilots and other aircraft were reporting turbulence.

>> Tim Wildmon: Gotcha.

>> Fred Jackson: All right, so the pilots looking out the front there, they're not seeing any weather in front of them, but they hit this, what's called clear air turbulence. And basically it is huge winds from one direction hitting winds from another direction. And there's really no way to tell that's coming. And that is why, you know, to defend the airlines here, and you just mentioned this, they say even when we get up to altitude and you can walk around to go to the bathroom or whatever the case may be, when you get to your seats, put your, seat belt back on, folks.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Fred Jackson: This is the very reason they tell you to do that because the pilot cannot always tell.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Fred Jackson: There's not technology that automatically tells them that this is going to happen.

>> Fred Jackson: So they, they ran into this last night.

>> Tim Wildmon: So. So the plane, landed in, in Minneapolis.

>> Fred Jackson: It did, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And how many people were 25 hospitalized? Well, yeah. Okay.

>> Fred Jackson: Yep.

Chris: Let's do something different this week. Something negative. And that's what we need

>> Tim Wildmon: Next, story. Chris.

>> Chris Woodward: well, let's mention this.

>> Tim Wildmon: we run out of stories. No, we're not like 35 more minutes.

>> Chris Woodward: Keeping it with, keeping it with crime and cultural issues. I'm trying to pick. I mean, it's a lot, that we have to go back.

>> Tim Wildmon: Something negative.

>> Chris Woodward: Okay, okay, I can do that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Let's do something different. It bleeds, it leads.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. They say in news. And that's what we need.

>> Chris Woodward: Chris, the man that conservatives, and other critics are calling Donnie the Commie, is in the news.

>> Tim Wildmon: we're not calling him that.

>> Chris Woodward: No, we're not. But that's what people are calling him now. and it's based on his socialist.

>> Tim Wildmon: Or communist also rhymes. Pretty clever.

>> Chris Woodward: you can thank Clay Travis and Buck Sexton for that. But anyway, Zo Ron Mamdani is in the news because, he has made comments in the past for defunding the police. And those things resurfaced, this week based on the shooting that happened in Manhattan, which we discussed at length a couple of days ago when I was last on this program. Go to afr.net for those podcasts. But, I've got some sound here from Elise Stefanik, Representative Elise Stefanik, who may or may not be running for governor of New York at some point in the near future. She had this to say about Mamdani's past calls for defunding the police, which, by the way, he now says he doesn't agree with. Clip 1.

>> Jenna Ellis: New Yorkers are smart. They know that these policies are detrimental and only make New York more dangerous. And let's be honest, this is not just tweets. Zoran Mandami is a seated elected official. Not only did he run for the New York State assembly, but he has served and voted in the New York State assembly to defund the police at every opportunity.

>> Chris Woodward: By the way, I heard a story on Fox, yesterday that, Mamdani was not even in the country at the time of the shooting. He was away on a vacation, like, abroad somewhere.

>> Fred Jackson: I think it was a honeymoon in Uganda.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. So, so the guy who doesn't believe in property rights and personal wealth.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's a popular destination for honeymooners.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's a sentence you don't hear. Honeymoon in Uganda?

>> Tim Wildmon: Are you joking?

>> Chris Woodward: No, no, no, that's true.

Zoran Mamdani may be the next mayor of New York

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so listen, this guy's running for mayor of New York. He won the Democrat primary. He may be elected the next mayor of New York. We'll find out in the fall. he is. Has a long history. What is. He's only, like, 30s. What is he. How old is he?

>> Chris Woodward: he's mid-30s.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. He has a long history of. He's a. He's far, far lefty. And defund the police. He cheered it on. He said that was because of the George Floyd incident. I don't care. Really? Why you say you did it, you did it. That sentiment was in you. And that's what he believes in. So he is pro, he's against, he's, he's against the police and he's pro. Criminal. How can you put it? But you know what? If New Yorkers want to elect this guy.

>> Fred Jackson: Yep.

>> Tim Wildmon: You knock yourself out because there'll be a lot of people knocked out.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: In New York with no crow, no, no consequences. It's the only time I go to New York, is to fly, to Israel. Now.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: But now I will say this. There are a lot of great things to see in New York City. but you just now, you just don't feel safe. Hardly. That's all.

>> Fred Jackson: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And you have people like this. And if he's going to defund the police even further, criminal, activity will increase even, even more. So.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And the billionaires and the millionaires, they'll get out. They better because they're gonna be hit with taxes. Unbelievable.

>> Chris Woodward: Oh, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: If he, if he, if he alone can unilaterally do that. I don't know that he can do that as mayor.

>> Chris Woodward: And that's how he has said he will pay for all the free stuff is by taxing the wealthy.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Well, so what's his name?

>> Chris Woodward: Zoran Mamdani.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's just not like a Marvel Hero. He's 33 years old. okay. We'll be back momentarily. Stay with us.

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Delta Airlines flight had to land in Minneapolis because of severe turbulence

>> Tim Wildmon: Welcome back everybody to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Fred, Chris, Elle and Ray, somebody called us, to. We were talking about the Delta Airlines flight from Salt Lake City to Amsterdam and it had to land in Minneapolis because of the turbulence that just shook the plane so bad that 30 something people had to be go the hospital with injuries. Right. Am I, huh? 35 people. The plane had to land and we speculated on clear air turbulence. Clear air turbulence, which is, you can't see it. Thus the clear air and the turbulence, so bad that it caused. Well, somebody called in to say they've had this weather going on in the upper Midwest. What did you call it?

>> Chris Woodward: a, direct show, if I'm pronouncing that correctly.

>> Tim Wildmon: You aware of this, Ray? You heard of this?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, there's been a lot of talk here in Kansas City about the derecho, that long line of thunderstorms. And we were kind of here in Casey. We were on the bottom of one just the other day was stretched up. I mean the real action was up in Iowa. Yeah, but you don't want to. Tim, you don't want to be anywhere near the retro because that's a, that's a strong line of thunderstorms.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, they're talking about the winds go up to hurricane.

>> Tim Wildmon: Absolutely. I mean, and the line of storms can continue for 200 miles.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Okay. So it's, it's, it's extraordinarily, severe. Yes, I guess you could say, D E R E C H O. And is that, is that still going on or is that over now? Do you know I'm talking about. Not this minute, but I mean sometimes these things happen day after day after day.

>> Fred Jackson: I think it's cleared out for the most part. It was about two days ago. I think Wisconsin was affected by this. you mentioned Iowa.

>> Tim Wildmon: It says across northern plains and upper Midwest. Yep. So north of you, Ray, was where most of it went. Like he's talking about nasty. I remember seeing a couple years ago, ah, a picture of this and like Well, you remember it was reported nationally how all the cornfields in Iowa and Minnesota, remember, they were just like.

>> Fred Jackson: Yep.

>> Tim Wildmon: Flattened.

>> Fred Jackson: Flattened, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Not all the cornfields. But you know where this storm said is just flattened them. 100 mile an hour winds.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, that'll do it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Credible. Mother Nature, the power these thunderstorms can cause. You know, these thunderstorms also too. They can be beautiful from a distance.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I know, where. I know I'm not the only one. A lot of people, see this at night. But where. And you can probably see it. I know where you live. Right. Because it's a lot flat. But, you can see these thunderstorm heads, because they reach 30,000ft or higher, 40,000ft, but you can see it. Lightning. sometimes I'll see like last night I saw it. Or two nights ago I saw it. Lightning. Well, it looked like it was coming to my house. It was like, like, well that's, that's 10 miles away. Then I go on the weather radar and I go, no, that's, that's 75 miles away. Yeah, I was seeing where I live, I was seeing lightning and Quad Cities of Alabama, which is like 75 miles away, because of the height of these thunderstorm, heads in the summertime.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes, in particular.

>> Tim Wildmon: But it has its own beauty. Of course it's very destructive if you're in the middle of it. But to see it from a distance is, it's spectacular.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, to see that. you're listening to, Today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Ray, Chris, and what's your name?

>> Fred Jackson: Fred.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, Fred. Nice to meet you, Fred. Sorry, I knew your name but had a momentary lapse.

Jenna Ellis hosts a weekly podcast called On Demand. You want to make sure you check that out

so, Jenna Ellis joins us now. Jenna is host of Jenna Ellis in the Morning here on American family radio from 7 to 8 o' clock Central Time on AFR and host of the, podcast we call On Demand [email protected] Jenna host a weekly podcast called On Demand. You want to make sure you check that out on our afr.net website. Good morning, Jenna.

>> Jenna Ellis: Good morning. And I'm actually really excited about this week's episode because I have the opportunity to interview Abby Johnson, who, everyone knows, a pro life advocate, former Planned Parenthood worker, and she has a new movie following, Unplanned, which is her story. This is called Unthinkable. And interviews over, a dozen former Planned Parenthood workers about the truth of abortion. And I know so many of our AFR listeners are really passionate about the issue of pro life. So definitely tune in tomorrow when, that drops each and every Friday. But tomorrow will be my Interview with Abby Johnson, for that new upcoming movie.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. The, Jenna's interview, with Abby Johnson is called On Demand. That's the. So go to our afr.net website, click on podcast. Afr.net click on podcast. And then you can see Jenna's, where to go there, that banner for On Demand with Jenna Ellis.

Jenna, you grew up in eastern Colorado, right?

Jenna, I know you grew up in Colorado. you grew up in the plains of Colorado. Can you see? So you grew up eastern Colorado, right?

>> Jenna Ellis: so, yes. So. Well, yeah, east of the Rockies and so the Front Range, basically.

>> Tim Wildmon: Can you see it from your house, the range?

>> Jenna Ellis: The Rocky Mountains?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Jenna Ellis: Oh, yeah, yeah. And so, I mean, maybe about 45 minutes, into either Estes park, which is some. Or, you know, down maybe a couple hours, into the mountains for, you know, a lot of the good skiing.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, the reason I ask is I know that, you know, that's some spectacular views on weather right there too, coming in.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, it's, it's beautiful in Colorado. I mean, the, I mean, that's, you know, where we get purple mountain majesty across the fruited plains, as the American song goes, reference to Colorado. So it is beautiful.

>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.

Is this Jeffrey Epstein story ever going away? When, when, when will

okay, Jenna, I have a question for you, and I don't even like to bring this up anymore. I'm getting tired of it. I know most people listening, getting tired of it. But I'm just going to ask you, is this Jeffrey Epstein story ever going away? Can we, can we, can we move on? When, when, when will that happen?

>> Jenna Ellis: Well, you know, I think there are a couple of different schools of thoughts here. I, I think everybody is really tired of it, but at the same time, it's just one symptom of, I think, the underlying reason that the story isn't going away, which is a transparency, also accountability, because the Trump's base, and that would include conservatives and, Christians and everyone who wants to see transparency and accountability, not only in government, but also for bad actors overall. I mean, the reason that Trump won the 2016 election and has been so popular since 2015 is because he came in promising to drain the swamp. To say, we are going to put, stark sunlight and disinfectant on Washington, the elites, the establishment, this kind of shadow government that's been running everything. And I think that Epstein is sort of the pinnacle story of the frustration that voters are feeling, especially, with this political resurgence of Trump and, him going in saying, you know, I don't have another election, so I'm going to go in and Basically disrupt Washington in a way I didn't the first term, and people are still waiting for it. So I don't think this is so much about just the Epstein story itself, but what that represents overall.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Fred, anything to ask or say on this?

>> Fred Jackson: well, I think it's kind of interesting. We are getting more information as time goes on. I mean, the president offered reporters the other day. I don't. I don't like Epstein because he was stealing my employees at Mar a Lago. And, so, you know, that's why.

>> Tim Wildmon: They had a falling out.

>> Fred Jackson: That's why they had a falling out. And then what do you say the other day that kind of caused some concern. I didn't have the privilege of going to the island. I mean, he.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, he's not helping himself.

>> Fred Jackson: No.

>> Tim Wildmon: At all. I know. Quit talking about it. Yeah. Like, quit talking about. Just say I refer you to Pam Bondi.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Or something like that. I don't know. He. Trump can't help himself some sometimes.

>> Jenna Ellis: He gets it all the time.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's true. Yeah, that's true. For better or for worse, he's gonna let it fly.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, the, the other thing was, the family of the young lady who committed suicide. What was her name?

>> Chris Woodward: Virginia Gift.

>> Tim Wildmon: The one you. The one was at the center of it all, you know what I'm saying?

>> Jenna Ellis: yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: They yesterday issued a statement, basically, I don't know if you could say, calling out President Trump, but saying President Trump needs to expound on his comments because. Because this. Does he know more than he's saying about what happened to our daughter? Yes, that's basically what they're saying now. not, So we'll. We'll see where that goes or how the White House responds to that, if they do. Because, you know, as we've said before, it's no secret. President Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, like a lot of New Yorkers and celebrities in the 70s and 80s and 90s, they were all, you know, they hobnobbed and went to parties together. Doesn't mean they all knew what the other ones were doing, obviously. But, still, you're known by the company you keep, for better or for worse. And, Trump is. Was pals with Jeffrey Epstein for a long time until they had this fallen out. And then Trump was quoted in a Atlantic article as saying, well, the word is. I'm paraphrasing here, but the word is that Jeffrey likes young girls. which you go. When you read there, you're going, hm. What do you mean, young girls? Like underage? Like, illegal. I mean, so evidently, Trump knew about the rumor about his pal at the time. Yeah, I mean, any other way to read that? I think. I'm not saying he was. I'm not saying he was endorsing, but he must have heard about it anyway. And then Trump goes, well, he, Jeffrey Epstein stole my employees, including this young lady who was 16 years old working at his spa at Mar a Lago.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So, who knows? Maybe that'll go away today or tomorrow, the next day, I don't know. But that's part of the story out there, that I, don't know. President Trump or the White House will respond further on it.

Bad company corrupts good morals, according to the Bible

All right, what was the lead story on your show this morning, Jenna?

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, you know, just to follow up on that, I mean, this is why the Bible gives great wisdom. That's, you know, in Proverbs, whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm. Bad company corrupts good morals. We know that. you know, Psalms says, blessed in the man who walks not in the council of the ungodly, nor stands in the path of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the scornful. I mean, over and over, the Bible repeatedly tells us that if we choose bad company, then that can ultimately harm us. And I think, that's what, you know, Trump is maybe, experiencing right now, and why we need to take the wise counsel of Scripture.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Jenna Ellis: but, but moving forward.

AFR talked with Ryan Helfenbein about bizarre Virginia headlines

So the top story this morning, so actually, a couple of things. we talked with Ryan Helfenbein from Liberty University about this really just bizarre headline, that a lawmaker, a city councilman in Virginia, was, apparently set on fire yesterday. and as more reporting has come out on this, it wasn't so much because of his elected position, but just a personal, altercation with a known, acquaintance. And so we kind of unpacked that in the larger story of some really violent, bizarre headlines this week. And it just seems like our society is barreling further and further, toward just utter destruction and a disregard for the sanctity of human life. And that actually led into, the next story, which I spoke with Troy Miller, who's the, president of the, National Religious Broadcasters, and he was talking about a Barna survey that was saying that 60% of adults, not just Christians, 60% of adults, tune into some kind of Christian media content, on a weekly basis. And the reason for that is because they Feel encouraged and have hope. And I thought, you know what, in the midst of all of these headlines, what a great, encouragement to us here at AFR that, you know, we're reaching, not only the Christian community that needs encouragement, the biblical world view perspective in the midst of all of these headlines, but also to reach those who are trying to make sense of this, the secular world and these two competing world views that clearly are on display from not only the leftists, but, you know, people who, would go into a midtown Manhattan building and, you know, and shoot people just for mental health issues. And, you know, how do we make sense of all of this?

Kamala Harris says she's not running for governor of California

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, well, Fred, did you have any more?

>> Fred Jackson: Well, I was going to get Jenna's reaction to the big announcement from Kamala Harris.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, there was a big announcement.

>> Fred Jackson: Big announcement. what do you read? She says she's not going to run for governor of California. Some people say, well, she's reading the tea leaves. Nobody likes her anymore. Other people are saying, nah, I want to leave the door open for another run for president.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, you know, I just said she's finally realizing that, she's not popular even in the state of California. It's only in the state of confusion that she's popular.

>> Tim Wildmon: Uncalled for.

>> Jenna Ellis: I mean, accurate, though, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. But don't call for nonetheless.

>> Jenna Ellis: So, you know, she. She's finally not, you know, trying to make her best happen.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, her best political days are in the rear view mirror. I think she needs to go on to, you know, some other.

>> Fred Jackson: Are you talking. Are you talking about the hero? We have to do this.

>> Jenna Ellis: Speaking to her, because it would just be, you know, the words salad.

>> Tim Wildmon: How about a stand up?

>> Fred Jackson: She just mentioned the word salad. Jenna did?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: Do you remember the word salad?

>> Tim Wildmon: Which word salad we're going to hear.

>> Fred Jackson: Fred, cut number 12.

>> Kamala Harris: There are, you know, people of every age and gender, by the way, who see something about being the first that lets them know they don't need to be limited, by other people's limited, understanding of who can do what. AI is kind of a fancy thing. First of all, it's two letters. It means artificial intelligence. But ultimately what it is is it's about machine learning. And so the machine is taught you need to get to go and need to be able to get where you need to go.

Jenna Ellis says she thinks Kamala Harris could replace Stephen Colbert

The significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time. Culture is. It is a reflection of our moment in our time.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. All Right. Stop right there. I just want to say.

>> Chris Woodward: But wait, there's more.

>> Tim Wildmon: That was some of the greatest hits there from.

>> Jenna Ellis: But, you know, we have been unburdened by what may have been.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes. Do you guys remember when she went to France and she tried to do, like, a French accent in front of the French people and she was like, le Plan. It was.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's from Love Isle. from,

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, the little guy from Fantasy Island.

>> Tim Wildmon: Fantasy Island. The blood.

>> Fred Jackson: The plane.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, my word. Okay. All right.

>> Jenna Ellis: You know, the comic relief won't be there, but overall, maybe California is. Is waking up to sanity after, you know.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, I think she could maybe take Stephen Kobar's job. You know, Colbert. I mean, he's going to be giving up his place at late night tv. Wouldn't that. I think Kamala Harris would. She would rock as far as a standup, comic. And then a. Even if she didn't intend to be. And then, have her own show. What do you think?

>> Jenna Ellis: Could you imagine?

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: What do you think about Kamala Harris says late night talk show for.

>> Tim Wildmon: I love it.

>> Tim Wildmon: I love it.

>> Fred Jackson: Her.

>> Tim Wildmon: Her opening monologue could be the whole show.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's what I'm talking about. okay, Jenna, thank you for joining us.

>> Jenna Ellis: Thanks, guys. Have a great weekend.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, bye. Bye. That's Jenna Ellis joined. What about that, Fred? Am I on to something right there? Cbs.

>> Fred Jackson: Here's the problem, though. The only people that would laugh at her is she laughs at herself. You know, the cackle. Yeah, the cackle, the cackle, the babble. There are the words that are used. Honestly, I don't think even Democrats want her back.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, they don't. They want her to go away.

>> Fred Jackson: Like, stay out there in California.

>> Tim Wildmon: She should join the View, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, that would be. Yeah. Her and Whoopi Goldberg going back and forth on some issues. Yeah, I'm thinking. Oh, that's. That's, okay. We'll watch and see if Tim's prediction doesn't come true. She replaces Stephen Colbert. Colbert on late night tv.

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There's a vote coming up in the United nations in September on Palestinian state

What's the next story, Chris?

>> Chris Woodward: Well, I've got some audio here of a floor debate on the Senate.

>> Tim Wildmon: what now?

>> Chris Woodward: A, ah, floor debate on the Senate that you said.

>> Tim Wildmon: A Florida debate on the Senate. A floor debate on the Senate. United States Senate. We got a Florida debate going on.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes. And that was a bill that involved efforts to defund Israel because some people in Congress want to defund Israel, saying they're being unfair to people in Gaza. and here now is a montage of various senators, including Independent Senator Bernie Sanders. And, even we've got Republican, Jim Reich and Dick Durbin of, Illinois. Clips 10.

>> Tim Wildmon: On this vote, the yeas are 24 and the nays are 73.

>> Chris Woodward: And the motion is not agreed to.

>> Tim Wildmon: US taxpayers have spent many, many billions.

>> Chris Woodward: Of dollars in support of the racist, extremist Netanyahu government. Enough is enough.

>> Tim Wildmon: Americans want this to end.

>> Chris Woodward: They do not want to be complicit in, in an unfolding famine and daily civilian massacres.

>> Fred Jackson: Let's remember the conflict between Israel and Hamas and the need for the military assistance for Israel is the fault of Hamas. They use the people of Gaza as human shields and they steal the food that the people of Gaza need.

>> Tim Wildmon: It is despicable behavior for many of us who. Stop right there. Do you know who that was?

>> Chris Woodward: That was Jim Reich of Idaho. Republican.

>> Tim Wildmon: Republican Senator. Okay. Anyway, I didn't, I m. Missed this story.

>> Chris Woodward: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Were you aware of this? Only a little bit, but having a.

>> Chris Woodward: Vote, it was, yeah, it was a vote to, to whether or not we should proceed further with a defund Israel bill.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, it was, Bernie Sanders, this bill was to say we're not going to, sell Israel any more weapons, fail miserably.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right?

>> Fred Jackson: It did. It did. However, the story goes on to say that a growing number of Democrats in particular say they do not no longer support Israel. They no longer support selling weapons to Israel. So it's, it's all part of the campaign that's out there right now. You have countries that are saying we favor a Palestinian state. Unfortunately, my own of Canada last year.

>> Tim Wildmon: That is just utter complete.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: Stupidity. Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: And you have leaders like the. What's the guy. Leader of Great Britain saying this?

>> Fred Jackson: Yes. UK Leader.

>> Tim Wildmon: France.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes, and France. And, the European Union.

>> Tim Wildmon: European Union says two states.

>> Fred Jackson: Canada. Yeah, there's, there's, there's a, There's a vote coming up in the United nations in September and These countries are all signaling we are going to support the idea of a separate Palestinian state. They say this will cure everything in the Middle East. That's the claim, Ray.

>> Tim Wildmon: Why is that not true?

>> Tim Wildmon: First of all, there is no Palestinian state to recognize.

>> Fred Jackson: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: What are they going to do? Recognize Hamas, which everybody knows is a terrorist organization? What are they going to do? Recognize the folks in the West Bank? No, I don't think they're going to do that.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're Israeli citizens.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right. So where is this so called Palestinian state? I mean Fred, what does it mean? Did you use the phrase going to endorse the idea of a Palestinian state?

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. The United nations can't declare a state, they can't create a state. But this is to add pressure too. We ought not to be surprised that the United nations would go this route. But you know, as a lot of people have said, we heard the other day from our ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, there can't be a separate Palestinian state because the people, most of the people who live in the west bank and certainly those Hamas run Gaza. They don't want two separate states. They want Israel wiped off the face of the earth.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Ah, also to me this is we have them, these people calling for a separate state, a separate two quotes, two state solution. That ship has sailed many times. Yes, many times. And even President Bill Clinton, who I agree with him on this, he's come out and said this is not what when we negotiated with Yasser Arifat, we mean in the United States, remember, tried to broker that deal with Barack or whatever his name was, prime minister at the time of Israel. And remember they went to Camp David and Yasser Arafat, leader of the plo and they talked and talked and talk. And Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton too, both said that they don't want a two states. They want Israel gone, wiped off the map. So I'm m talking about they, the Hamas and then at that time the plo. so they don't these what I was going to say, this is complete and utter fantasy land that these foreign leaders say a two state solution if, if Scotland had invaded England, and butchered 11 to 1200 people and then the world said, well you need to form a separate state for the Scots, England, so that they have their own country. Yeah. so that they can then build up their weaponry and attack you. Again, England would say, that's nuts. We're not doing that. M. Well that, that's the same.

Canada just announced that they favor a separate Palestinian state

So I'm using this analogy because it's the PM of Great Britain who's saying to Israel, you need to have a separate state for the murderers.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So they can attack you more. Or, What. What is he. They're putting this, putting this ultimatum on, trying to put this ultimatum on Israel, Great Britain and France. And these are, these are nations that are the friendliest of the Europeans to. Most of the time, I don't know how Italy feels or Germany of what they've said, but Israel is getting to where, the only friend they have left in the world is the U.S. yes. Is Canada. Does Canada treat, are, they.

>> Fred Jackson: Treating Israel like Canada just announced yesterday that they favor a separate Palestinian state? Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: it's easy to say when it's not on your border, right?

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, exactly.

>> Chris Woodward: If the UN said all told, the US all the southwestern states have to go back to Mexico, we would tell UN Right. Where to go.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, it's just Israel cannot allow a separate state run by Hamas on their border. it's. That's. That is a recipe for.

>> Chris Woodward: For.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's suicide is what that is.

>> Fred Jackson: It is.

>> Tim Wildmon: they've got to end Hamas right now at this moment in time. And that, I think that's what they are realizing they have to do. We'll be back momentarily. Stay with us.

>> Jenna Ellis: The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.

Tim, Fred and Ray talk with Chris on top news headlines of the day. Also, Jenna Ellis joins the program to discuss what might happen with the Epstein issues.