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>> Jeff Chamblee: The month of June has been hijacked by the anti Christian culture to show their pride in something God calls an abomination. When you support afr, you help us continue to stand for godly values and provide the resources for you to stay in the know about the enemy's tactics. To say thank you for your gift this month, we'll give you the booklet Inside the LGBTQ push of the 1990s. To help strengthen your convictions, just go to afr.netoffers afr.net offers welcome to today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Today's Wednesday, June 4, 2025. I'm Tim Wildmon with Ed Battagliano. Good morning, Ed.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Good morning, Tim.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley Wildmon.

>> Wesley Wildmon: All right, I'm back, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: You're back.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm back because I was out for two weeks and now I was here yesterday. Here today. I'm back for good.

>> Tim Wildmon: Back till next week.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. We were to my schedule. Almost back on schedule.

>> Tim Wildmon: Back on schedule. Back on. Fred Jackson, Good morning.

>> Fred Jackson: Here on schedule.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And, let me just say.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's Fred's birthday today. Hey, I know I'm not singing, but I just wanted to wish Fred a happy birthday.

>> Fred Jackson: Well, thank you very much.

>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you. How many years you've been on this earth?

>> Fred Jackson: 71. All right, 71 as of today.

>> Tim Wildmon: You don't look a day over 70.

>> Fred Jackson: Well, thank you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, probably.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Could you. Can you still ice skate? Could you still play some hockey? Hockey?

>> Fred Jackson: Ice. When they have ice in the local arena here in Tupelo about three weeks of the year, I. I put the skates on and go.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Good for you.

>> Fred Jackson: Have a. Have a good time.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: Enjoy it very much.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, happy birthday.

>> Fred Jackson: Well, thank you. Thank you. I am blessed.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Enjoyed. But.

One question about hockey is do they even broach the subject of sportsmanship

>> Ed Vitagliano: But now, why hockey?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Growing up?

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I didn't know this.

>> Tim Wildmon: In Canada?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Did you play high school and college?

>> Tim Wildmon: Canada.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But you just made it sound like it's on automatic.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Middle school, high school, it's part of being a citizen. You have to go.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, I think when you grow up in Canada, it's a rite of passage if you play hockey or you're a.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Sissy, but I mean, you played on.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's one or the other.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You played on a high school team.

>> Fred Jackson: Played on a high school team. In fact, our team last weekend there was a major celebration in my Hometown area, Sydney, Nova Scotia, where our team, our high school team, was inducted into the Cape Breton Hockey hall of Fame.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I mean, he's the real deal.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I thought that was going to say you played hockey in Canada or you get deported.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that is true, probably. so, you know, my question, one question I have about hockey. Is do they even broach the subject of sportsmanship or.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's actually a lot of sportsmanship at the end at like a playoff series.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: The team. Lot teams line up and shake hands.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm half. I got my tongue halfway in my cheek here, you know, because there's just so much fighting in hockey. That's why you wonder, do they.

>> Fred Jackson: But you, you got to watch it carefully because sometimes after the fight quotation marks is over, they kind of laugh at each other. You know, it's kind of.

>> Tim Wildmon: We gave the fans what they wanted.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, no, it's just not to your point because this is.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Be careful when you say to Tim's point.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Because, sometimes players will be miked up like they do in other sports, and it's not unusual for guys who have just fought say, hey, good, good bout, Good fight.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And it's just m. Because the fighting actually.

>> Tim Wildmon: Please hand me my eye socket.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay. Anyway, it's just, I'm trying to make.

>> Fred Jackson: Listen, you. You're not going to get seriously hurt when you're covered up the way that players are, except for your fist. Well, but you got a helmet on, you know, that sort of thing. Now they do try to pull the jersey over the head so they have greater flexibility in where to hit.

>> Tim Wildmon: They do that in pro wrestling, you know what I'm saying? For those who wear shirts. All right.

>> Fred Jackson: People ask me, what. Do you remember when the first time you went skating? And I honestly, I. I don't.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Was that early that.

>> Fred Jackson: It just happens.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You know, back to dad's point.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. In Canada, man, you grow up.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I was trying out the profile. Go ahead.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, they bring you home from the hospital and they put you in the baby crib and they put some skates on you. That's what they do in extra weight.

>> Fred Jackson: Go to it.

Fred: Elon Musk describes President Trump's spending bill as a disgusting abomination

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. You're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Ed, Freddy and Wesley. what's our first story, Fred?

>> Fred Jackson: Well, our first story, if you go to afn.net, afn.net, the first Associated Press story that you will see there this morning is a Picture, that picture is of a bit of a love fest that was carried out in the Oval Office last Friday afternoon. And, that's when Elon Musk, the head of the DOGE team, Ah, he had lived out his 130 days that he was allowed to head up that team. And President Trump just praised the wonderful work that Elon Musk had done. Well, if that meeting had been scheduled for this Friday, it probably would not have come off, because in the last 24 hours, Elon Musk, who is now a free man, is describing President Trump's big, beautiful bill of tax breaks and spending cuts as a, quote, disgusting abomination. Those are the words being you can.

>> Tim Wildmon: Have a beautiful abomination. You know, there are, there are distinguishing factors between a beautiful abomination and a disgusting abomination. And Elon Musk went with the disgusting.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, he, he unloaded on his, ex, which he owns. I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork filled congressional spending billing bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it. You know who? You did. You did wrong. You know it. End quote.

>> Tim Wildmon: M. That was on. He posted that on X. Elon Musk.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. He's allowed to post there.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

There's a rift between President Trump and Elon Musk over the debt bill

all right, so you have this rift now between President Trump and Elon Musk.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: They had the bromance. Yes. For, for a few months. And Elon Musk did some great work. And under, out exposing waste, fraud and abuse in the federal government. At least I thought he did. and his team did. But he left to go back to Tesla because Tesla was hurting, because of his absence and because of his political involvement. He had been attacked by the left. and so, but listen, I, I understand both sides of this. Well, let me just say this.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Two friends in a fight.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, I understand what the philosophical difference is here. but I don't understand the minutiae of it and I don't have the time to invest in that too much in terms of, okay, so President Trump is pushing this big, beautiful bill. Was that what they call it? That's what he calls it. Okay. And critics of the bill within the Republican ranks, like Elon Musk, for example, include Senator Ron Paul. Now, he may be, I don't know, maybe they're Rand Paul.

>> Wesley Wildmon: What?

>> Tim Wildmon: did I say his dad?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so there, there, there, there, there are a few others, but few, few brave speaks. Few are, brave enough to speak out because they will be slapped down by President Trump and his team, there in the White House, as Rand Paul was yesterday. President Trump said, nobody in Kentucky likes Rand Paul. He votes no on everything. That's what he. When President Trump turns on you,

>> Ed Vitagliano: You get everything but the kitchen.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's going to pull your pants down. Okay. That's the way I phrase it. and then, and then two days from now, you're golfing with him.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So it's. He just. I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't deal with that. But some people can, I guess. I don't know. By that I mean, I don't mean people don't have their political differences and then they can be friends. They can. But the way Trump sometimes hits below the belt makes it hard to make up. That's what I'm saying.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: But, President Trump would say, and Mike Johnson, the Speaker, of the House, who is a conservative, would say, no, this is a good, this is the best legislation we can get and over time it'll help the economy and we'll be able to stop the bleeding. In terms of the, national, debt, which is now $30 something trillion dollars.

>> Ed Vitagliano: 37.

>> Tim Wildmon: $37 trillion. let me say one other thing on this and then I'll stop and you guys can comment on it. Here's what the truth is, in my humble opinion. This, the uss, this is going to sound so depressing. The ship USA is on the river or toward the Niagara Falls of, in terms of the, what this, this debt will do to our economy eventually. But there's nobody on the uss, America headed toward Niagara Falls because we're still out there on the river and the rapids are increasing a little bit. But there's nobody going to say, hey, we need to, stop spending. Stop, stop doing this, stop doing that, pull this off. It's too painful. It's too painful to do so. And the boats aren't there and people are living in the moment, as is President Trump. He doesn't want the economy to go down on his watch. So he's going to try to do the best he can for the moment and let the future worry about itself. And that's the way it's been in Washington for a long, long time. And so this is really nothing new. Rand Paul's, prophecy and others that eventually this will cause doom and gloom for the American economy. This debt that we have is probably true, but that's been predicted for 20 years now that the debt, with $5 trillion of debt, oh, my word, we're going to $10 trillion of. Oh, my, 20 trillion. I remember asking a congressman on the air 10 years ago, whenever it was on this program, I said, wendy, when is, the American economy crash and burn, $50 trillion in debt? And he couldn't answer me because there is no real definitive answer, because who knows how much you can go in debt. I think President Trump and the congressman up there now are living in the moment. I'm not saying President Trump has. Doesn't care, but I'm saying he is. He's in favor of this. It does increase the debt, and. But he's going to be retired in three years.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know what I'm saying? And leave it for the future people to deal with. But I don't think the future people are going to deal with it either until we have some sort of 9, 11. Economic.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I think two things quickly. President Trump is betting on, if I can put it that way, that his policies, even if it temporarily increases the deficit, is going to lead to a huge, hugely successful and growing economy, which will bring in tax revenues that can then help decrease the deficit. The second thing I would say, and I like your, Niagara Falls. Niagara Falls thing, here's what I would just add to this metaphor. The only way to turn the ship around and avoid going over the falls, like we see sometimes on movies, is to start throwing stuff overboard. And everyone says, yeah, okay, we need to do that, but we don't want to go over the falls. But then when you reach for their stuff, they go, well, not that. And everybody's doing that. And so nothing gets thrown overboard. And by that, I mean making cuts.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And so we're just waiting until we can hear the rapids.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: We don't actually know how close we are to going over them.

The Congressional Budget Office says the tax bill will increase deficits over time

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. So anyway, the bottom line is Elon Musk and is no fan of this big, beautiful bill.

>> Fred Jackson: No. And it's a rift to this point. The cbo, the Congressional Budget Office, they have had a look at this bill. They came up with a report this morning. I'll just read you one line here. The bill making its way through Congress will cut taxes by 3.7 trillion, but also increase deficits by 2.4 trillion over the next decade. That is their assessment of the bill as it stands now. Senate Majority Leader John Thune had some comments on what Elon Musk is saying, and he's kind of explaining the way you guys have been talking here, that the, the positives of the bill will diminish the deficit over time. So I want you to have a listen to them. Cut number three.

>> Speaker F: The administration has identified a number of wasteful uses of taxpayer dollars, and we will be taking up this package and eliminating this waste. And if Congress doesn't act, Americans making less than $400,000 a year will see a $2.6 trillion tax hike in 2026. It talks about modernizing our military, making America energy dominant, securing our border, and making sure that the American people aren't faced with a $4.5 trillion tax increase at the end of this year. It's interesting to me that what they are going to be fighting against is border security, modernizing our military, making America energy dominant, and they are going to be voting for the largest tax increase in American history. We are excited to be working with the President and working with our colleagues in the House of Representatives on the agenda that the American people elected last November.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, so that was a montage of John Thune comments over the last, couple of days on this.

CBO estimates 10.9 million people without health insurance under GOP plan

So in the cbo. The CBO report that came out this morning says the estimates, an increase of 10.9 million people without health insurance under the bill, including 1.4 million who are in the country illegally. You got to be careful and add some context when you're going to be reading these figures today. the Trump administration is very clear. No, there are no Medicare cuts, no Social Security cuts, no Medicaid cuts. But what they're doing is removing people who they deem shouldn't be in those programs.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Fred Jackson: In other words, the strong, healthy male who should be out there working. A lot of these people have found their ways into Medicaid in particular. So they're saying, we're going to go after those people who should not be taking advantage of these programs. And therefore, that will represent a saving against some of the increases in expenditures, for instance, on border security.

Wes: Is there anything in the bill that a conservative should worry about

>> Wesley Wildmon: I got a question. So, outside the obvious thing that we would not agree with, and that's adding to the national debt, which is a biggie. Set that aside. What's in the bill is, is Plant, defunding Planned Parenthood? That's in the bill, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yep.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So is there anything else in the bill, or is there anything in the bill? Not else. Is there anything in the bill that a conservative.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm reading it for a Republican, so, I mean, if you give me time this afternoon, I'll. I'll be.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Did you notice my eyes were not directed at you? Because I was.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm on page 749. But it's, going to take me.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Let me. Let me rephrase the question. In the talking points for the conservatives, is there anything in here that we need to be concerned about?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I mean, as, apart from the talk of the debt and all that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Marjorie Taylor Greene, right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: She said yesterday or the day before. She's the congresswoman from Georgia, who's. I'm. I'm. I'm generally a fan of. I, mean, she says some things that I go, what in the world? But I mean, for the most part, she's.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, she's Live Wire even.

>> Tim Wildmon: She said like two days ago.

>> Wesley Wildmon: What?

>> Tim Wildmon: I didn't know that was in there. I wouldn't have voted for it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Nobody. Nobody does.

>> Tim Wildmon: She said that out loud, going like, wait a minute. They're supposed to read there. They're supposed to have time to read it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And if not, then they're staff to.

>> Tim Wildmon: Alert them to what's in there. That's why. Listen, this is, like you said.

>> Ed Vitagliano: This is the way the game has been played for the last 25 years.

>> Tim Wildmon: And it will be. Yes, and it will be. It will be like this until we go over Niagara Falls, if that ever happens.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And then pity the fool who's in.

>> Tim Wildmon: The White House, especially. Who's that? Quotes from.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: When.

>> Ed Vitagliano: When that. When that ship goes, whoever's in the White House, they'll be going, it's you.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's like. What do you call it? Musical chairs.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Musical chairs. Listen, another thing I get tired of, because this is all games. It is in D.C. is over the next 10 years, we're going to increase revenues by. And we're going to cut it over the next 10 years. And the next Congress is going to make changes. But today, all the members of Congress can say, well, over the next 10 years, we're going to save. Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's why they don't have to deal with the pain of, And the protest of cutting the government today. Go ahead, Wes. We want to move on.

I was going to encourage us to move on. All in favor of moving on, raise your hand

>> Wesley Wildmon: I was going to encourage us to move on.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I think this is.

>> Tim Wildmon: All in favor of moving on, raise your hand. This is going to move on. Francis, want to continue to talk about this?

>> Fred Jackson: No. It keeps me in business.

>> Ed Vitagliano: This is talking about this over the next 10 years.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: This is a segment when I get back to my desk and I get an email that says, y' all sounded like, honking geese.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Honking, talking. You really get those.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I've got one before, and I think this is the segment he's talking about.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, that's when we used to play Joe Biden listening to the honking geese.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Background at his home. Remember that? It's like five years ago, we played that a lot.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Like, that's what the guy.

>> Wesley Wildmon: He was insulting us that way, though.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: we're like honking gates.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, if I want that kind of abuse, I'll just go home. All right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: She's not listening.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's hurtful.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Works out good.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's really hurtful. All right, Fred, next story.

The Boulder incident seems to be a tipping point in anti Semitism in America

>> Fred Jackson: Well, in the wake of the tragedy in Boulder, Colorado, last Sunday, when the, man from Egypt who was in this country illegally, used Molotov cocktails, do we need to say.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Allegedly, or has he confessed?

>> Fred Jackson: Oh, no, he's confessed. He's even said, I wish I had been able to kill everybody he is told. And this has been read out publicly.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.

>> Fred Jackson: All right. In the country illegally. his family now, his wife and five kids. Christine Noem, Homeland Security Secretary, says they are in custody and they are going to be deported. But the other aspect, the incident in Boulder on Sunday seemed to be a tipping point in this country where people are saying, wait a minute. This degree of anti Semitism. Of course, the Boulder incident coming in the wake of the assassination of those two young Jewish couple last couple, ah, of weeks ago now in Washington, D.C. it seemed to be a tipping point in what is going on in this country. How is it in the United States of America we have so many people who are anti Semitic that hate the Jewish people. And I saw an interesting interview this morning, and you gentlemen are much more abreast, of major, league baseball players. Retired. I, think he's a Red Sox player. He was, was Kevin Ukilis.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Uchelis.

>> Fred Jackson: Uchelis. Kevin Eukilis Ukuleles. he was interviewed this morning. He is Jewish. I think he. Now, one of the things he does is coach a Israeli baseball team. But he was talking about, a comment that came from Alexandria, Ocasio Cortez recently in the wake of the Boulder incident, where she almost seemed to discover that there is an anti Semitism problem in this country. I want you to have a listen to what he had to say here is hard on this cut number seven.

>> Speaker G: The Jewish people are just tired. we're tired of having to deal with so much hatred. we're tired and, you know, and the one thing that I've seen is just a lot of Jewish people are scared. I've, you Know, seen a lot of people talk to a lot of people, about what they're doing on their own. even, even people becoming gun owners that probably never would have been gun owners a long time ago and were anti guns. but for me and what I've seen and the rhetoric, it's just the globalized Intifada is a triggering word for a lot of Jewish people and for Israelis, for people that don't know about the intifadas and do the research on it. It's not even just about Jewish people. Intifadas create chaos and create a lot of destruction, on both sides of the fight. And when we hear this rhetoric and it's pushed out in our universities and on the streets, it just has to stop. It brings a lot of fear. It stokes the violence.

>> Fred Jackson: You know, one of the other survivors in Boulder, Colorado there, he used an interesting phrase the other day. He says, Jews in this country are now being hunted. That's scary. That's scary. We're being hunted and there's real fear. And it crosses Jewish people who vote Democrat, Republican, Independent, whatever the case may be. we have a problem that needs to be dealt with. It was manifested first in the university campuses, but it's going well beyond that now.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I think this is, the reason it's getting worse and is not worse. When Kevin Youkilis says, it needs to stop, it's not going to. And the reason is this is part of an ideology. It is an ideology that is anti Western, anti West. It is, ah, Marxist, and it will, it will use any, any idea that is contra, that is a, hostile to Western ideals. So that's why you have a, a bizarre partnership between the homosexual community and Hamas. Yeah, I mean there's, there's no logical reason why members of the LGBT community should be in support of Hamas because they would get thrown off a roof in most Muslim countries. But it's all part of an ideology that seeks to overthrow the ideals of the West. And in this country, the target is the Constitution.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. The, anti Semitism or anti Jew, anti Jewish, sentiment is, is heightened today because of the Israeli Gazan War. And it's in the news all the time. And it's it's also social media. We, can talk more about this, but that, that's that along with just the supernatural element of it as defined in the Bible. We'll be back momentarily.

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Today's Issues focuses on anti Semitism and how it manifests in America

>> Tim Wildmon: Welcome back everybody to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. That's the name of this program. Tim, Ed, Wesley and Fred, just wrap up what we're talking about here and then we're going to go to Jenna Ellis. But we were talking about anti Semitism and what that is and how it's manifesting itself now, in the US what happened in Colorado for example? I remember my dad, God rest his soul, he passed away, you know, in December 2023. But he went to the Holy Land many times. And but I remember him saying, you know, the, he would say, well, they'll be fighting to the end of time at the m. The Muslims and the Jews over there, especially in Israel in the surrounding area. And I don't. That's a pessimistic view, but probably a realistic view because you have. What, what's the. You have two viewpoints that are. Now, I'm not saying they're equally valid or morally valid. You have two steadfast viewpoints on Israel and its right to exist as a Jewish nation that aren't going to change. And they're just not. They're not going to change. So. And as long as that. As long as that exists, you're going to have conflict in, in the area. Now, less conflict is when Israel imposes its power and strength militarily and so forth. But when they do that, they inflame the passions of people like Hamas and others who hate Israel because they feel like the Jewish nation has no right to exist in the first place because that's Muslim land. You see what I'm, I know y' all know this, but I'm still just telling you this. Whoever's doing this show, 50 years from now, if this show exists on American Family Radio, they're going to be talking about what's happened.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, they're going to be talking mutually exclusive views. There is no compromise between one side that says Israel has a right to exist and the other side which says all Jews should be murdered. There's.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: How do you compromise on that? There's no compromise. There's no, there's no middle ground. These are mutually exclusive.

>> Tim Wildmon: You add that. Now, antisemitism, again, is defined as anti Jewish thinking existed, before Israel became a nation down through history. So it's not just because of that, Obviously. We had the Holocaust go on in, Germany during Nazi reign.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. And all through, the Middle Ages, there were Jewish pogroms.

>> Tim Wildmon: I want to talk about. Let's bring Jenna in. some things. Jenna, good morning to you.

>> Jenna Ellis: Jenna, good morning. Good morning.

>> Tim Wildmon: I wanted you to come in now because I want you to comment on this, too, but. Go ahead, Ed, finish that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I was going to say, throughout Christian history in Europe, whenever something would go wrong, if there was a famine or something like that, oftentimes the Jews were blamed and they were either forced to convert or die or be kicked out of these little villages or cities. So what I'm saying is this has gone on for 2,000 years. this the kind of anti Semitism that we're talking about.

>> Fred Jackson: I heard an interesting interview the other day and, Will Cain show on Fox. So the Muslim scholar, doctor, Khanda Ahmed, she, is a Muslim. She's with the Independent Women's Forum. Very conservative, very knowledgeable of what she calls and what has been referred to as the red green alliance. So it's the red representing Marxist thinking, making an alliance with Islamic terrorism. Just have a listen to what she had to say. Cut 8.

>> Speaker I: I would like President Trump to address the threat of Islamist anti Semitism from the oval office at 9pm because this is a form of terrorism. These criminals, including the one that perpetrated the Boulder attack last night. An immolation of American Jews, including a ah, Holocaust survivor is a terrorist. He is animated by Islamist ideology. Islamist ideology has at its center genocidal anti Semitism. It matches and marries in with far left victimhood ideology. Ultra ah woke what I call a neo orthodoxy and portrays himself and fellow believers to be minorities. And this ideology becomes bigger. We don't want any more posts on social media. We want a real address and these crimes prosecuted for terrorism with laws designed to shut down terrorism, which means following the money, shutting down the finances, just like we did with the mafia or other terrorist groups, Al Qaeda and so forth.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, Jenna, go ahead, comment on what we were talking about here.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, I think it's important to recognize that in the context of talking about antisemitism, it is always wrong to target someone just because of their demographic for any reason, an immutable characteristic like what gender we are, a national origin, age, you know, any of these things that we did not choose for ourselves. Those are all ordained by God, the place of our birth, all of those things. And it becomes even more tragic when it's specifically for a religious basis, like all of the anti Semitism against the Jewish people. And Fred and Ed are right that this has gone back, you know, thousands of years because this goes back to the Abrahamic Covenant in Genesis 15 where we see that God gave Abraham and his descendants the land. And Christians don't just support Jews in this because you know, they in the Old Testament, they're God's chosen people because it's a matter of soteriology or salvation. It's because we understand that God's covenants are eternal. And until the end of all things in revelation and the conclusion, the new heaven, the new earth, the new Jerusalem, when the earth as it is today is, is still here. God's covenant remains. And so we are faithful Christians when we recognize that God's covenant to Abraham and his descendants, the Jewish people, is eternal and that the, the Jews are the ones that are entitled to that land.

>> Fred Jackson: Amen.

>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, no, I, listen, I got no issue with that. And it seems like over the last 150 years as Christians began to study more about the end times, that a lot of teaching has opened the eyes of evangelicals, for example, to, to understand, listen, God still has a plan for the Jews and they play a part in the end times. And that's why I think you've seen evangelicals grow in support of the nation of Israel's, especially since 1948 when the country was established, because they see it as a critical component of God's work in the earth.

Jenna: Why are the left tied up to defending anti Semitism protests

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. Let me go ahead.

>> Wesley Wildmon: One of the things that I was talking with Fred about over the break is that just for a moment, for our listeners, you know, a lot, a lot of people don't, aren't able to keep up with the day to day things that are happening on college campuses and even go back to the history of how we've gotten the issues that we're talking about today. But, I was explaining to Fred, if any other group expressed the violence that the pro Hamas groups did, that would not be accepted.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I mean, if a Republican group did acted the same way against any other thing that they disagreed with, that would not be okay. But yet, for some reason on the left, why. Well, let me ask Jenna, why are they tied up to defending or ignoring or supporting these, these protests and just, well, anti Semitism in general.

>> Jenna Ellis: That's a great question. And you're absolutely right, because, you know, we as, we as Christians, we as Christians can't even disagree with those on the left. Otherwise we're called hateful and bigots and all of that. But yet when the left commits actual acts of terrorism and violence, somehow that's excused. And I think this goes all the way back to truth, where Satan does not care in what way you violate the word of God and in what way you disregard the truth and promote evil. All he cares about is that we do not promote truth in the things of God and that evil persists. And so when we have a nation that is at a crossroads, I think even more so than at other times in American history when we have, you know, the rise of, the religion of lgbtq, we have the rise of the religion of Islam, we have the rise of, the religion against anti Semitism, against the Judeo Christian founding. This is really ultimately a clash between right and wrong, good and evil. And so the left that wants to persist in perpetuating evil and allowing for it and continuing to, promote that in society is going to try to excuse that and justify it and applaud it even, and even affirm it, when, of course, they're not going to treat the truth in Christians the same way.

Jenna Ellis gives historical perspective on anti Semitism on American Family Radio

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to the radio program Today's Issues on American Family Radio. That's, Jenna Ellis. Jenna is with us as our guest this half hour. I'm Tim, Ed Wesley and Fred, and we're talking. We're talking about the, anti Semitism and giving you a little historical perspective on that, issue. Janet, do you want to talk anything about this, dog, bark box thing?

>> Jenna Ellis: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Tell people what that is and every. What's. What's. What happened here?

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah.

Barkbox is a subscription company that sells dog toys

So speaking of, you know, promoting good and restraining Evil and Pride Month and all of this. Well, listeners know that my two dogs, Todd and Copper, are, you know, very dear to me. And that, of course, means that I love to give them toys and treats and things. And there's a subscription that you might be aware of called Barkbox, where you get it once a month, and it's always a theme of toys. So for June, for the month of June, I got a text message that said, you know, we're now doing, the Pride collection. So I reached out to their customer service and said, hey, I'd like to skip my subscription for the month of June because the, Pride collection goes against my sincerely held religious beliefs. The customer service said, no problem. We respect that, and we'll skip for, the month of June. Great. Right? That was a great idea. So, I took a screenshot of that and I posted it on social media and said, good for Barkbox, Newsweek, of course, because a lot of journalists follow everything that I post on social media, grabbed that, had attention to that, reached out to Barkbox and said, you know, hey, why are you, you know, what do you think of this? Why do you even promote, the Pride collection? And that apparently caused an internal, conversation that was then leaked from a Slack channel, from Barkbox, where, the leadership actually said that they wanted to pause all paid ads and lifecycle marketing pushes for the Pride kit, effective immediately. this message said, while celebrating pride is something we may value, we need to acknowledge that the current climate makes this possible promotion feel more like a political statement than a universally joyful moment for all dog people. We wouldn't feel comfortable running a promotion centered on another politically charged symbol like a MAGA themed product. It's worth asking whether this is the right moment to run this particular campaign. This isn't about backing away from support. It's about tone and ensuring our marketing remains inclusive and welcoming to everyone in our community right now. This pushing this promo risks unintentionally sending the message that were not for you to a large portion of our audience. Now, Tim, what was so funny about this is that when this leaked and went viral over the last couple of days, the LGBTQ community, which has said, you know, we can't have children, so our pets are basically like our kids. You're now slamming us and we're canceling our subscriptions. They're canceling more subscriptions now to Barkbox than Conservatives. So today the CEO released a message. Basically, weekly apologizing goes, no, no, no, no.

>> Jeff Chamblee: We.

>> Jenna Ellis: We love all of you, and we still have the Pride collection available, but notably did not actually deny that they're pausing the campaigns and that they're not going to be pushing this. And so now I think they're sending the wrong message to everyone that they're trying to play both sides by pausing the campaigns. Good for conservatives, making LGBTQ mad, but then still saying, no, no, no, but we're still an ally to you. And we have these Pride products available, which of course makes conservatives mad. So Newsweek is going to be following up with another article shortly.

Wesley says Barkbox should probably stay out of politics altogether

>> Wesley Wildmon: So this Wesley here. So what I'm hearing is that they should probably stay out of politics altogether.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yes, that would have been the better move. Exactly. What I told News was.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, and your dog's, names. What? Kane and Abel. What are your dog's names? they. Listen. They caused all this without even knowing it.

>> Jenna Ellis: I. I know, right? That's. Yes, that's what I'm today.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Todd and.

>> Jenna Ellis: Todd and Copper. Yes, they're. They are, unfortunately, I got you, Political Agents.

>> Tim Wildmon: They have a popular Instagram channel, don't they?

>> Jenna Ellis: They do. The adventures of Copper and Todd. So we have a lot of listeners who, go and see cute pictures of them there and follow them. And, and, and I have videos of us opening Barkbox every month. And when they're cute themed like New York City or like Valentine's Day, you know, roses and macaroons, like, it's really cute. And they. And these are quality toys, but unfortunately, now is advancing an agenda. So, we will probably be canceling our Barkbox subscription after this.

>> Tim Wildmon: What? Somebody needs to invent this for humans.

>> Jenna Ellis: They do. It's called Uber Eats.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So these are foods.

>> Tim Wildmon: I just like when Allison would call me the first of the month to say, hey, your mystery toy box.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, maybe not a toy box, but yeah. So this is two toys.

>> Tim Wildmon: New seven irons in here.

>> Wesley Wildmon: They do that for sports. They have a box. They have a baseball box, a golf box. They have those very.

>> Tim Wildmon: Sign up.

>> Jenna Ellis: That's. Hey, Father's Day is coming up, Wesley. So now you know what's a month.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yep. For Father's Day.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Fred.

A lot of corporations are backing away from Gay pride parades

on a similar Note. Yes.

>> Fred Jackson: Well, we know that, major corporations in this country over the years have not been afraid to put their logos in Gay pride parades.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Fred Jackson: And some wills continue to do that. But ever since the backlash, you remember, against Bud Light and Target, this back in 2023, these. A lot of these, corporations are now backing away. they're telling the Gay pride organizers, hey, we're not going to put a float in the parade this year. We may send you a check to under rights the event. But we really given. And some of them are saying the political climate, in the country, the DEI initiative, anti DEI initiatives, that sort of thing. We think it's better that we stay away this year.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Fred Jackson: So there's. There's been a movement and very successful in pressuring these corporations not to be taking sides on this issue.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And, I think. I think it's great. I think the pendulum swings. I don't think these are principled stands on the part of these corporations. I think it is. I think their skittishness is tied to the d. Because the LGBTQ community, that movement has been tied to the DEI slash woke movement. And even though t. Trans is in LGBTQ and has been forever, the backlash against trans individuals in women's and girls sports, all that kind of thing, I just think these corporations do not want to be tied into the backlash that goes with that. So the LGBTQ community has overplayed its hand, and now corporations are getting skittish.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, a lot of these, corporations, these m. Like, who have to deal with this. You know, they have LGBTQ employees who. Some of them pressure.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Corporate executives to, you know, give money to this event or to this cause or to put the pride. I. I just don't know. that's kind of run its course almost. I mean, there's nothing left to conquer for the. For the LGBTQ community in. In terms of corporate America, I don't think.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, but it's. But the. But the polling is. And, Jenna, we want to bring you back in.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: the polling is going in the. Yes, it's going in the opposite direction. Like, the percentage of Republican men who are opposed to same sex marriage has dropped, like, seven points in just a couple of years. I think people have reached a saturation point on this. And the Bud Light thing, oddly enough, was just like a bridge too far, and polling is starting to slip in the other direction. So I don't know whether it's ever coming back in terms of corporations.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And corporations would be really Wise to recognize that if they're, promoting a political agenda, then they're necessarily going to exclude the people who have a different political agenda. I mean, that's just the point. I mean, just like if a corporation sided with MAGA conservatism, then they're necessarily excluding the left. Right? I mean, so that. So just from a business standpoint, the Bud Light controversy never made sense in terms of the bottom line. But it was because all of this was being driven by the Human Rights Campaign and all of these corporations to get this DEI score. And as this is becoming more and more uncovered and the Trump administration is going against this, and I really applaud them for doing that, these companies are recognizing that in a truly capitalist society, where the bottom line means you have to serve your customers, then things like boycotts actually work. I mean, we even saw, you know, with afa, that pushed the Target boycott for years, just this June, as of Pride Month. Now I've been seeing all across social media, instead of having a giant Pride collection, they actually have a giant July 4th collection, which is great. And that is genuinely inclusive to everyone other than the illegal immigrants that shouldn't be here anyway. So I don't really care. But, you know, it's genuinely inclusive. It's all Americans can, can participate in that. It's not a political message. It's one that is genuinely just, you know, hey, everybody can come and have fun.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, we used to meet, we, American Family association, meet and talk with, corporate corporations, you know, through the years. And a lot of them were meetings that we would have off the record obviously. But I'm talking about major house brown name corporations and, and you know, we would tell them, listen, how you deal with your employees internally is your business. We know you have gay and lesbian and whatever kinds of people, all kinds of sexual orientation. you know, that's your, how your HR treats in terms of benefits and insurance and all. We don't care about that. the main thing we care about is promoting that agenda through your company to the, to the general public. Right to the public. So that would include, you know, to us at these promoting like gay pride parades and putting your name on it. because that's not something you have to do. All you do is say, hey, we, we, we. All you do is say, we welcome everybody to visit our stores and do business with us. We don't care what you are, what color you are, what sexual orientation you are. And we treat our employees right, fairly, but you don't have to get involved in doing things like what Jenna's came on first started talking about here, this bark box company where they go out of their way to get in your face with, their political statement. Political statement. And that's what companies are backing away from. And I think that's a good thing. And I do think with the election of President Trump, although the election, the election had a tone difference, in this country, I think the.

>> Fred Jackson: With.

>> Tim Wildmon: With President Trump winning and him saying things like, you know, girl, I'm, going to take away, do what I can to fight against girls, boys, playing girls sports, for example. I think the. I think these corporations also said, hey, wait a minute. Over half the country pretty much doesn't want us pushing this in their face.

>> Ed Vitagliano: 70%.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And they're like I said, Americans are basically living that live, but we don't want to live and let live. And then you jam something in our face every day, all day and say, hey, you need to applaud this. Come on now.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

Once biological men in women's sports see actual harm, they stop lying

>> Jenna Ellis: Live and let live was a lie anyways. Because I think that's where they really jumped the shark on this. Because once they started putting biological men in women's sports and you saw actual harm, they couldn't then credibly tell the lie. What, what does it matter? Who is it hurting anyway?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Jenna Ellis: Well, they're natural injuries. Yes.

Jenna Ellis: There's a television ad that promotes aids for homosexuals

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, another interesting thing I've noticed and, there's a television ad that, is. This is changing the subject slightly, but related to the topic at hand. There's a television ad that has, an advertisement for drugs that treat aids. Have y' all seen this?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Seen it?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, I have, unfortunately.

>> Tim Wildmon: M. And ah, it's got two men kissing or whatever. They're. Anyway, it's got a lot of pictures of homosexuals together. Male. Male homosexuals. Have you seen this?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: But I'm thinking that's a. How are they get. Why are they stereotyping the. That wouldn't be acceptable. If a conservative says, hey, if you want to stop aids, then homosexuals need to stop having, intimacy.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, that's. That's a sure way to stop it right there. You know what I'm saying?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Instead they say, okay, they show these men, you know, either kissing or right up close that, you know, they're together.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And you're going like, so they're promoting a drug to treat aids that only happen. That can be prevented by them not doing what you're suggesting. They're about to. Do you see what I'm saying?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's kind of bizarre.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, even though technically anyone can get aids, it is primarily affecting the homosexual fortnite.

>> Tim Wildmon: This actually transmitted disease.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Where does it start, though? Does it not start with two men?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I'm not sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: AIDS virus, hiv.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm not sure how it started. There's some question about its origins, but it was primarily in the homosexual community. And then the. The health professionals all said, anyone can get it. Right. which was technically true, since it's actually transmitted disease. But it is primarily remained an affliction in the lgbt, well, community. Mostly homosexual, men, who have sex with men.

>> Tim Wildmon: The Bible talks about unnatural things.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: And the consequences of participating in them. All right, Jenna. we had some other stuff, but, hey, we'll do it next time. Thanks. Thanks for being on with us, Jenna. Appreciate it.

>> Jenna Ellis: Thanks so much, guys.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, that's Jenna Ellis joining us there. and we will be back after this short timeout for news on the American Family Radio Network.

>> Speaker I: M. The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those.

>> Jenna Ellis: Of the American Family association or American Family Radio.

Tim, Ed and Wesley talk with Fred on top news headlines of the day. Also, Jenna Ellis joins the program to discuss the antisemitism in American today plus other topics.