Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildman
Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
Tim Wildmon The radio program Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. I'm Tim with Ed. And now Steve Paisley. Jordal Jordan joins us. Good morning, brother Steve.
Steve Jordahl Good morning everybody.
Ed Vitagliano He's in uniform.
Steve Jordahl Yes, I am in uniform.
Tim Wildmon Rocking the Paisley.
Today is the day that the federal government institutes the real id
Hey you guys, ah, just wanted to tell everybody that if you're going to travel on an airplane, a commercial airplane I'm talking about starting today, you're going to need something called real id.
Ed Vitagliano Did you ever check yours to see?
Tim Wildmon I did and I did. I didn't have the star.
Ed Vitagliano Oh, you didn't. So you had to go, I got to go.
Tim Wildmon I go get it. But I do have a passport.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Okay, so your passport overrides all. Yeah, but a lot of people don't take their passport when they're only going to travel domestically on a commercial airplane. But I'm just saying today is the day that the federal government institutes the real id. What do you, Steve, do you know enough to describe that?
Steve Jordahl Yeah, it's basically when you apply for identification for certain things, like for boarding an airplane is what most people are talking about. the I, you, you have to have presented some evidence that you are a citizen or that you are who you say you are. When you get a driver's license. It used, they've just upped the stakes. Used to be you could bring a, like a power bill in and this is where I live and so, and they could do that, but now they're requiring a little more and it is, it's a little marker on the top right, hand corner of your,
Tim Wildmon Do you have yours?
Steve Jordahl I do. My driver's license.
Tim Wildmon Well, now my driver's. I gotta renew mine.
Steve Jordahl Yeah. That's why it automatically happened when I renew. Now I was talking with, talking with JJ who said, yeah, I've got a real idea. It's got that heart at the bottom of the, of the, Oh yeah, that's, that's, that's an organ donor.
Tim Wildmon So you're an organ donor.
Steve Jordahl I'm an organ donor and I have the real idea.
Tim Wildmon What organs are you donating?
Steve Jordahl Whatever they need after I'm gone.
Tim Wildmon They can take whatever they want as.
Steve Jordahl Long as I'm gone.
Ed Vitagliano Oh yeah.
Tim Wildmon To make sure of that.
Steve Jordahl Yes.
Ed Vitagliano I don't think I'm an organ donor. I'm not. No. I'm changing the subject, because I think. Who wants my organs? I'm almost 67 years old.
Steve Jordahl I mean, they might take that into consideration. I've had this kind of hard on my.
Ed Vitagliano Is there. No. Is there? No.
Steve Jordahl Like.
Tim Wildmon Yeah. Have you ever been an organ donor, though, even when you were 27?
Ed Vitagliano I don't know.
Steve Jordahl You haven't ever donated organs?
Tim Wildmon They'll take 27 year old.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, but I. I don't know. I'm just. I'm just curious. It just came into my head. I wonder if there are like eight. Yeah. Where you go. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Mr. Tagliano, but your organs are practically expired anyway, Right. Why are we going to put them in a young person?
Steve Jordahl The problem is that there are so few people, so few organs around. If someone needs a heart, hey, it's a good thing.
Tim Wildmon It's a good thing to be an organ donor.
Steve: You just don't want to be pronounced dead somewhere in Africa
Ed Vitagliano All right.
Tim Wildmon You know, I used to be. I'm not sure if I am now, but.
Ed Vitagliano Well, now that. Now that you're getting your new driver's.
Tim Wildmon License, sign up for that. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, Steve's right, though. You want to make sure you're gone.
Steve Jordahl Yeah. And that's not always the case. I mean, there.
Ed Vitagliano No.
Tim Wildmon We probably need to stop this conversation right here. I think everybody knows what we're talking. You just don't want to be pronounced dead somewhere in the middle of Africa. What I'm saying. You know what I'm saying?
Ed Vitagliano I don't think the problem is just Africa. I think here they'll keep your brain, like your body alive, even if you have no brainwaves.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano So they can preserve your organs.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano And, you know, listen, this is.
Tim Wildmon A topic for another. Yeah, another in 10.
Ed Vitagliano Have at it.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, we'll revisit. All right.
Ed Vitagliano 67.
Tim Wildmon Hey, by the way, pancreas.
Ed Vitagliano Go for it.
Tim Wildmon So, I'm sorry, that was commentary by Ed. People don't email me.
133 cardinals are meeting in Rome right now to elect a pope
So let me ask you this, Steve.
Steve Jordahl Yes, sir.
Tim Wildmon Right now in Rome.
Steve Jordahl Yes.
Tim Wildmon The Catholic, Church as. And they're the representatives of the Catholic Church being the cardinals.
Steve Jordahl 133 of them.
Tim Wildmon 133 cardinals are about to elect a. Well, I say about to elect. I don't know what the exact procedure is, but they are going into a, meeting. Is it going to be a closed meeting to elect a pope?
Steve Jordahl It is. It's called a conclave. And they proceeded, in. In pairs, as. if you're watching, CNN right now, you can see this was recorded earlier, but they. They proceeded in pairs into the Sistine Chapel. That's the one with The Michelangelo ceiling.
Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah. I've, been twice. That's the most awesome man made architectural, really place I've ever seen in my life.
Ed Vitagliano Oh, wow.
Tim Wildmon Now, when I say man made, what I'm talking about is the. The art. The painting done by Michelangelo inside the Sistine Chapel. When did he live? Like 800 years ago. So, Michelangelo. When did he, M. Maybe I've got him.
Ed Vitagliano You always ask these questions.
Tim Wildmon I know, but I want to make.
Steve Jordahl Sure he was, in the 1500s.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, it was the. It was built. A Sistine Chapel was built between 1473 and 1481. So that must be when Michelangelo and you talk about it.
Steve Jordahl He died in 1564.
Ed Vitagliano A talented guy could grief,
Tim Wildmon Well, okay, if you can. If you ever travel over there, you've got to go to the Sistine Chapel. If you go to Rome, obviously, it's just, it's indescribable. It'll blow you away. When you think one person did all this.
Ed Vitagliano Wow.
Tim Wildmon And they did it 600 years ago. Whenever you said it was the ceiling.
Steve Jordahl there's other artists who contributed to the walls and such.
Ed Vitagliano There was. There was a movie with Charlton Heston, I think. Doesn't he play Michelangelo?
Tim Wildmon He did it on his back.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, he painted the whole thing on his back on these scaffolding. No, he.
Steve Jordahl He.
Ed Vitagliano I'm gonna. I'm gonna check on that because it was a very good movie. And it. And it kind of highlighted a lot of the politics involved.
Tim Wildmon You see what Michelangelo did, laying on his back, painting the Sistine Chapel. And you just. You just think to yourself, what have I done with my life?
Steve Jordahl There's 100.
Tim Wildmon My back hurts when I sit in this chair for 30 minutes.
Ed Vitagliano But, but, you know, there you're being too hard on yourself. Because the fact of the matter is, people like Michelangelo, they're. They're one in a thousand years kind of individuals.
Tim Wildmon Duly noted.
Ed Vitagliano You know that and I'm not. Yeah. Most of us.
Tim Wildmon And we recognize.
Ed Vitagliano We recognize that we're not.
Tim Wildmon Not one. We're not that one.
Ed Vitagliano No.
Tim Wildmon Are we?
Ed Vitagliano No, absolutely not.
Tim Wildmon It, takes some humility to admit that, I think.
Ed Vitagliano Yes.
Tim Wildmon you think, Steve?
Steve Jordahl It would take, humility maybe until I start drawing something, and then there's no. Nothing needed except just. There you go. You can see for yourself.
Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah. When it comes to art and painting, I, would just say that wasn't sculpture. That wasn't my calling. are you looking up Ed?
Ed Vitagliano this, movie. Michael, Angela, Charlton Heston Charlton.
The Creation of Adam is in the Sistine Chapel
Tim Wildmon You remember it?
Steve Jordahl Huh?
Tim Wildmon Huh?
Ed Vitagliano Agony and the Ecstasy. The Agony and the Ecstasy.
Tim Wildmon When Was that released? 19.
Ed Vitagliano It was, 1965. It is a really good movie.
Tim Wildmon Is it?
Ed Vitagliano Yeah. And it just taught. It just. It kind of highlights the, Some of the politics involved in those kinds of things. And. And they didn't want him doing it on his back. And he had a certain idea about what he should paint.
Tim Wildmon Anyway, he was commissioned by the Pope at that time.
Ed Vitagliano Yes.
Tim Wildmon To do the artwork.
Ed Vitagliano Pope Julius ii, inside.
Tim Wildmon And what is that painting that he, Where God is reaching down to man.
Steve Jordahl Well, that's the top of the Siching Chapel.
Tim Wildmon Yeah. Oh, yes, it is. But there's a name for that. There's a name for that particular painting. And you're right, it is in the Sistine chap.
Steve Jordahl It's the centerpiece of the system.
Tim Wildmon It's not called the 16th Chapel. People don't go over there.
Steve Jordahl No.
Tim Wildmon And ask directions to the 16th chapter. Like there was 14, 15, 6.
Steve Jordahl Sistine.
Tim Wildmon Sistine. S I S T I N E T I N E. What are you saying now?
Ed Vitagliano I was just looking up, Michelangelo, I believe, the. All these long names. Michelangelo D. Lodovico Buonarati Simoni. So he's, known.
Tim Wildmon No wonder he got shortened. Who's going to call you that? To answer your question, yes. The Creation of Adam. Okay, so the Creation of Adam is a painting in the Sistine Chapel by Michelangelo. And it's the famous one that everybody. They don't know the name of it would recognize with the hand of God reaching down to the hand of man.
Steve Jordahl Right.
Tim Wildmon About described it. Right?
Steve Jordahl Yes.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah. And like touching the finger. And I think that's meant to represent the. The creation of man and being given the image of God.
Tim Wildmon Yes. Amen. Amen.
The College of Cardinals is choosing a new pope in the Sistine Chapel
All right.
Steve Jordahl Anything else you want to know about?
Tim Wildmon Well, I just. I just say this about the. About the. The, Cardinal.
Steve Jordahl I can tell you a little bit about what's going to be going on there, if you want.
Tim Wildmon And they've got, They call Cardinals because they wear the Cardinal Red.
Steve Jordahl I know that egg or the chicken. I don't know what you.
Tim Wildmon I love. I love the, I do. I'm, serious about this. I love the Cardinal Red.
Steve Jordahl I don't know if they call it Cardinal Red because of the, Vice versa or vice versa. Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Okay.
Steve Jordahl But they're all there. And so they are going to be sitting at desks and from, the. From all. They took a vow of secrecy before they came in and from.
Tim Wildmon Everybody knows they're there now, though, and.
Steve Jordahl Well, no, it's not a secret that they're there, but they can't talk about what happens once. What's.
Tim Wildmon Oh, okay.
Steve Jordahl What goes on inside the Sistine Chapel.
Ed Vitagliano So this is the College of Cardinals.
Steve Jordahl It is. That's what they call them. and so they're meeting. And my understanding is what I heard today, at least, from some Catholic, experts on Fox, was they're not going to be a big debate. There's no speeches going on. They basically sit there fairly quietly. They chat, among each other, and then, they pray and they talk a little bit. And then eventually they're going to vote after they've had a sufficient time of prayer.
Ed Vitagliano So there's nobody, like, standing up and saying, I think we should vote for this guy.
Steve Jordahl There's no politicking, not. Not formally, not at least as a group. Now as they eat together, they talk and. Hey, do you know anything about this cardinal from Africa? Because he's. I heard his name. Is he any good? Yeah. You know, then that's how they kind of. Kind of. And then. So when they vote, every time they vote, they have a, chimney that comes out of the Sistine Chapel. I think they put it up just for this. And, if they have not reached consensus on a new pope, they burn something in it that sends up black smoke.
Ed Vitagliano Right.
Steve Jordahl And if they went on the final time that they really do, they find the pope, they put something up that's a white. That they'll burn something, and all of a sudden white smoke will be coming out of them.
Ed Vitagliano The Roman Catholic Church has a new pope.
Steve Jordahl That's right. Unless it's a gay pope. And then it's pink smoke.
Ed Vitagliano Oh, man.
Steve Jordahl I didn't say that out loud, did I?
Ed Vitagliano You said that out loud.
Steve Jordahl yeah. So, But it is. It's. This happened several times. It's, It's always quite the, dramatic things. Everybody's sitting on the outside. The only thing they're. They're seeing is a chimney, and they're just waiting for it. And it could be days before, you know, they come to, an agreement on something. So.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah.
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano Well, so that is. What is. That's the process that is unfolding now in Rome in the Sistine Chapel. And whether it was you or Tim who said it, what. What happens in the Sistine Chapel stays in the Sistine Chapel. But that's technically what they're. Now, that vow of secrecy is that, like forever they Always keep it to themselves, or is it just while they're in the process?
Steve Jordahl Yeah, I don't know that we'll ever. Like, who came in second. I don't know that that's something that they'll figure out. But by the time they choose the Pope, the big secret is out, which is here's the Pope. Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting.
New York City has a new statue of a black woman
We talk about Michelangelo. Times Square has a new statue.
Ed Vitagliano Times Square in New York City.
Steve Jordahl New York City has a new statue. and it's by sculptor Thomas J. Price. And it is. He describes it as a fictionalized character constructed from images, observations, and open calls spanning between Los Angeles and London. Young woman depicted in Grounded in the Stars is a black woman. Portly. Ah. I guess is the best way to say it. and, this is what they said. In her description, one recognizes the shared humanity, yet the, contrapos, contra posito pose of her body. I guess that's an artistic term. And the ease of her stance is a subtle nod towards Michelangelo's David. And I challenge you, if you're looking it up, to, to find anything that looks like, David here.
Ed Vitagliano All right, show me the picture, because I'm trying to look it up. Yeah, that's got. That does not look at all like Dave.
Steve Jordahl It kind of doesn't. Can be hard. Kind of hard to figure out where they got that. But.
Ed Vitagliano Well, listen, they can. They can do and say whatever they want. but, that doesn't look anything like the statue of David. anyway, so that's speaking of Michelangelo's, David.
Steve Jordahl That's what they referenced. the. The. It's a woke. They're. They're, Okay, this is what they say about.
Ed Vitagliano Because some people are saying this promotes Marxism.
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano I'm not sure how. How is that?
Steve Jordahl Well, okay, so they've torn down every statue that has any meaning historically, and now they put up a generic black woman, which checks the intersectional boxes. I don't know. Maybe, she's a generic gay black woman. She's a statue, so it wouldn't really matter.
Ed Vitagliano And she's not skinny like a model. So they would say this is a more realistic picture of a normal person.
Steve Jordahl That's what they say. it's called Grounded in the Stars. And it can. It confronts the preconceived notions of identity and representation, according to the website.
Ed Vitagliano Okay, I'm just gonna be honest. Unless the creator of the statue said something that, you know, he or she is dedicating this To Marxism. I'm not sure how a black woman represents. Promotes Marxism.
Steve Jordahl I think that. And this is. I haven't.
Ed Vitagliano I'm not getting it.
Steve Jordahl I haven't. I've not seen that in the official description, Marxism. But this is how they're getting to this. If you take down a statue of George Washington. Yeah. And you put up a statue of a nondescript black woman, what you have done is you have cut the legs out from history and you've redefined now what, what we're supposed to be reverencing. And that's kind of got a Marxist tinge to it. When you.
Ed Vitagliano Okay, I'm gonna take. By the way, folks, Tim Wildmon had to step out. So it's just Steve and I. I'm going to take the. The Tim position on this and say I'm not seeing it, and I don't necessarily agree with it. Then this is a story from not the Bee. So this is not. This is not a joke that they're making. but. But I will say this. It doesn't look anything like Michelangelo's David.
Steve Jordahl No. I think.
Ed Vitagliano And that's the one that's, you know, people, famously. It's the unclothed statue where he looks like he's looking off to the side.
Steve Jordahl It is. It is a masterpiece.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah.
Steve Jordahl Is that. No, it's. That wasn't the one. What was the one that Michelangelo struck on the knee with a hammer to crack the knee. Just who people would not believe. It's real. No, it's not. It's a statue. Not a real person.
There's also one with Mary holding the crucified child
Ed Vitagliano Oh, I don't know. I've never heard that. There's also the, I guess the pieta. I think that's how you pronounce it.
Steve Jordahl That's a one with a Mary child.
Ed Vitagliano No, Mary holding the crucified child.
Steve Jordahl Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ed Vitagliano So anyway, okay, so next.
Check out the statue of New in New York. You can look up the image and you'll find it
Next story.
Steve Jordahl So much for our art history today.
Ed Vitagliano You can tell, we're not exactly experts, but. Yeah.
Steve Jordahl All right.
Ed Vitagliano Check out the statue of New in New York. It's, It. You can look up the image and you'll find it.
There is a new online grooming group targeting children, according to ABC News
Steve Jordahl I want to have a issue, a little bit of a warning, to parents. A couple warnings. This, what, we're talking about here, is for parents. If you have little ones, this might not be the. The best time, for them to be around. You might want to set them up in the tv.
Ed Vitagliano Parental advisory.
Steve Jordahl Yeah. Just so there is a new online grooming, thing, going on. It's A, it's, It's called the 764 Online Network. And they're targeting children and they go and they, they befriend and what they call grooming, which means they set them up to trust them and then they coerce them into doing a lot of stuff. Now you've heard of this before where they convert, coerce them into sending sexual pictures of themselves. This is just the beginning of this particular evil group. They do have them escalate this into naked pictures and other violent pornography. But they also coerce them into doing violence. The more violent the better. It's kind of a competition among the people who are behind this to see what you can get your kid to do. The more violent the more.
Ed Vitagliano Once, once they've been hooked, once they've been hooked and, and convinced that if they don't do what they're told they'll.
Steve Jordahl Be exposed, they push their victims in. Well, and they're brainwashed because they, they arrested a teenager in a town in Connecticut who used, she was, she used, she was used by these people to recruit others and she boasted about being part of this network. This is what it, this is what ABC News writes. It says they push the victims, create pornographic images, harm family pets, cut themselves with sharp objects or commit suicide.
Ed Vitagliano Okay, now the, the reason we're, we're mentioning this story folks, and I'm looking@uh, justice.gov and it says leaders of 764 arrested and charged for operating global child exploitation enterprise arrests mark significant takedown within violent online network. The reason we're covering this story, it's not for gratuitous reasons, is you have parents, you have got to monitor and be aware of what your child is doing online and somehow make it clear to your child that if they are in some sort of trouble that they can come to you as parents. Because what these demonic individuals do who are running online exploitation groups allegedly like these leaders of 764 is they use secrecy and shame to trap young people so that they can be manipulated.
Steve Jordahl I'm going to send this picture you sent me to your parents or everybody in the school and all of a sudden they'll do anything.
Ed Vitagliano Some kids take their own lives because they can't bear ashamed of it.
Steve Jordahl But in this case that's one of the intended purposes, is to get them that ashamed. how widespread is it? According to ABC News, the FBI has more than 250 investigations currently underway. Every single one of the 55 field offices of the FBI across the country are handling at least 1,764-related case.
Ed Vitagliano And that is in this country. This country and who knows where.
Steve Jordahl Global. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ed Vitagliano So, you know, 10 years ago, when people are talking about the conspiracy theories about Global Rings doing this and that I thought really, is that this sounds like a conspiracy theory. But more and more we are having uncovered the activities of people who are clearly, being used by the devil to harm young people. It's not just young people, but we're talking about young people now. And, they are. A lot of these young people are under siege with, you know, access, to pornography that they're not even looking for. It just pops up on, on social media. folks, pray for your young people. Stay, Stay, involved in their lives and stay vigilant.
American Family Studios producing Impact series on Denver coffee shop owner Jamie Sanchez
Steve Jordahl I don't know if you talk about demonic. I don't know if. Have you talked about the Impact series thing we're doing with this gentleman named Jamie Sanchez?
Ed Vitagliano we've not, We've not mentioned.
Steve Jordahl So this is.
Ed Vitagliano We have enough time to do that.
Steve Jordahl I Just briefly. Okay, Big. The broad strokes.
Ed Vitagliano Let's make sure. Make sure we cover this in a little more detail tomorrow.
Steve Jordahl Tomorrow we will, we will. But basically he owns a coffee shop in, Denver, the Denver area. And he's now spoken Christian, has, Christian beliefs on sexuality and everything, and has become a target, much like Jack Phillips was. but this one's coordinated. It's a coordination between Satanists and atheists.
Ed Vitagliano Communists.
Steve Jordahl Communists. And they're literally putting out flyers that they've docs this guy and they say, bring the demonic presence to this guy's shop.
Ed Vitagliano And the reason they use those words is because now American Family Studios produced what's called an Impact series video on Jamie Sanchez. He started this coffee, shop, folks, to, take profits and use it in, Jamie's ministry to help the homeless. This isn't a guy just with a simple coffee shop. All right? So in one of his interviews, he told American Family Studios that when we would start, when we'd start preparations for the business day, I wouldn't even have to look out. This is what happened prior to what we're talking about now. I wouldn't even have to look outside. I could feel the evil, the demonic presence. When these people showed up to protest us because we're Christian.
Steve Jordahl It's a real thing.
Ed Vitagliano And so the.
Steve Jordahl We battle not against flesh and blood.
Ed Vitagliano But these individuals, the Communist Party and Satanists and the atheist. Local atheist group and. And the local LGBTQ group. They found out about the video, watched it and hit on that statement about the demonic presence. And so we have now been sent a flyer that they have put out and they braggingly say, let's get that demonic presence outside their store again and try to shut them down.
Steve Jordahl You can watch the video that we produced at, stream.afa.net if you're a, Great Commission partner, you have access to it.
Ed Vitagliano And it's called the Jamie Sanchez Story.
Steve Jordahl I think in the Impact series.
Ed Vitagliano Impact series. And we may talk about this more, maybe tomorrow get a little more detail, on this. But folks, the spiritual war is real. please pray for Jamie Sanchez and his family and his co workers because the devil is out headhunting today.
All right, that's all the time we have for today's issues
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano All right, folks, that's all the time we have for today's issues today. More great programming directly ahead. God willing. We'll see you tomorrow.
Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildman
Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
Tim Wildmon The radio program Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. I'm Tim with Ed. And now Steve Paisley. Jordal Jordan joins us. Good morning, brother Steve.
Steve Jordahl Good morning everybody.
Ed Vitagliano He's in uniform.
Steve Jordahl Yes, I am in uniform.
Tim Wildmon Rocking the Paisley.
Today is the day that the federal government institutes the real id
Hey you guys, ah, just wanted to tell everybody that if you're going to travel on an airplane, a commercial airplane I'm talking about starting today, you're going to need something called real id.
Ed Vitagliano Did you ever check yours to see?
Tim Wildmon I did and I did. I didn't have the star.
Ed Vitagliano Oh, you didn't. So you had to go, I got to go.
Tim Wildmon I go get it. But I do have a passport.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah. Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Okay, so your passport overrides all. Yeah, but a lot of people don't take their passport when they're only going to travel domestically on a commercial airplane. But I'm just saying today is the day that the federal government institutes the real id. What do you, Steve, do you know enough to describe that?
Steve Jordahl Yeah, it's basically when you apply for identification for certain things, like for boarding an airplane is what most people are talking about. the I, you, you have to have presented some evidence that you are a citizen or that you are who you say you are. When you get a driver's license. It used, they've just upped the stakes. Used to be you could bring a, like a power bill in and this is where I live and so, and they could do that, but now they're requiring a little more and it is, it's a little marker on the top right, hand corner of your,
Tim Wildmon Do you have yours?
Steve Jordahl I do. My driver's license.
Tim Wildmon Well, now my driver's. I gotta renew mine.
Steve Jordahl Yeah. That's why it automatically happened when I renew. Now I was talking with, talking with JJ who said, yeah, I've got a real idea. It's got that heart at the bottom of the, of the, Oh yeah, that's, that's, that's an organ donor.
Tim Wildmon So you're an organ donor.
Steve Jordahl I'm an organ donor and I have the real idea.
Tim Wildmon What organs are you donating?
Steve Jordahl Whatever they need after I'm gone.
Tim Wildmon They can take whatever they want as.
Steve Jordahl Long as I'm gone.
Ed Vitagliano Oh yeah.
Tim Wildmon To make sure of that.
Steve Jordahl Yes.
Ed Vitagliano I don't think I'm an organ donor. I'm not. No. I'm changing the subject, because I think. Who wants my organs? I'm almost 67 years old.
Steve Jordahl I mean, they might take that into consideration. I've had this kind of hard on my.
Ed Vitagliano Is there. No. Is there? No.
Steve Jordahl Like.
Tim Wildmon Yeah. Have you ever been an organ donor, though, even when you were 27?
Ed Vitagliano I don't know.
Steve Jordahl You haven't ever donated organs?
Tim Wildmon They'll take 27 year old.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, but I. I don't know. I'm just. I'm just curious. It just came into my head. I wonder if there are like eight. Yeah. Where you go. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Mr. Tagliano, but your organs are practically expired anyway, Right. Why are we going to put them in a young person?
Steve Jordahl The problem is that there are so few people, so few organs around. If someone needs a heart, hey, it's a good thing.
Tim Wildmon It's a good thing to be an organ donor.
Steve: You just don't want to be pronounced dead somewhere in Africa
Ed Vitagliano All right.
Tim Wildmon You know, I used to be. I'm not sure if I am now, but.
Ed Vitagliano Well, now that. Now that you're getting your new driver's.
Tim Wildmon License, sign up for that. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, Steve's right, though. You want to make sure you're gone.
Steve Jordahl Yeah. And that's not always the case. I mean, there.
Ed Vitagliano No.
Tim Wildmon We probably need to stop this conversation right here. I think everybody knows what we're talking. You just don't want to be pronounced dead somewhere in the middle of Africa. What I'm saying. You know what I'm saying?
Ed Vitagliano I don't think the problem is just Africa. I think here they'll keep your brain, like your body alive, even if you have no brainwaves.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano So they can preserve your organs.
Tim Wildmon Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano And, you know, listen, this is.
Tim Wildmon A topic for another. Yeah, another in 10.
Ed Vitagliano Have at it.
Tim Wildmon Yeah, we'll revisit. All right.
Ed Vitagliano 67.
Tim Wildmon Hey, by the way, pancreas.
Ed Vitagliano Go for it.
Tim Wildmon So, I'm sorry, that was commentary by Ed. People don't email me.
133 cardinals are meeting in Rome right now to elect a pope
So let me ask you this, Steve.
Steve Jordahl Yes, sir.
Tim Wildmon Right now in Rome.
Steve Jordahl Yes.
Tim Wildmon The Catholic, Church as. And they're the representatives of the Catholic Church being the cardinals.
Steve Jordahl 133 of them.
Tim Wildmon 133 cardinals are about to elect a. Well, I say about to elect. I don't know what the exact procedure is, but they are going into a, meeting. Is it going to be a closed meeting to elect a pope?
Steve Jordahl It is. It's called a conclave. And they proceeded, in. In pairs, as. if you're watching, CNN right now, you can see this was recorded earlier, but they. They proceeded in pairs into the Sistine Chapel. That's the one with The Michelangelo ceiling.
Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah. I've, been twice. That's the most awesome man made architectural, really place I've ever seen in my life.
Ed Vitagliano Oh, wow.
Tim Wildmon Now, when I say man made, what I'm talking about is the. The art. The painting done by Michelangelo inside the Sistine Chapel. When did he live? Like 800 years ago. So, Michelangelo. When did he, M. Maybe I've got him.
Ed Vitagliano You always ask these questions.
Tim Wildmon I know, but I want to make.
Steve Jordahl Sure he was, in the 1500s.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, it was the. It was built. A Sistine Chapel was built between 1473 and 1481. So that must be when Michelangelo and you talk about it.
Steve Jordahl He died in 1564.
Ed Vitagliano A talented guy could grief,
Tim Wildmon Well, okay, if you can. If you ever travel over there, you've got to go to the Sistine Chapel. If you go to Rome, obviously, it's just, it's indescribable. It'll blow you away. When you think one person did all this.
Ed Vitagliano Wow.
Tim Wildmon And they did it 600 years ago. Whenever you said it was the ceiling.
Steve Jordahl there's other artists who contributed to the walls and such.
Ed Vitagliano There was. There was a movie with Charlton Heston, I think. Doesn't he play Michelangelo?
Tim Wildmon He did it on his back.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, he painted the whole thing on his back on these scaffolding. No, he.
Steve Jordahl He.
Ed Vitagliano I'm gonna. I'm gonna check on that because it was a very good movie. And it. And it kind of highlighted a lot of the politics involved.
Tim Wildmon You see what Michelangelo did, laying on his back, painting the Sistine Chapel. And you just. You just think to yourself, what have I done with my life?
Steve Jordahl There's 100.
Tim Wildmon My back hurts when I sit in this chair for 30 minutes.
Ed Vitagliano But, but, you know, there you're being too hard on yourself. Because the fact of the matter is, people like Michelangelo, they're. They're one in a thousand years kind of individuals.
Tim Wildmon Duly noted.
Ed Vitagliano You know that and I'm not. Yeah. Most of us.
Tim Wildmon And we recognize.
Ed Vitagliano We recognize that we're not.
Tim Wildmon Not one. We're not that one.
Ed Vitagliano No.
Tim Wildmon Are we?
Ed Vitagliano No, absolutely not.
Tim Wildmon It, takes some humility to admit that, I think.
Ed Vitagliano Yes.
Tim Wildmon you think, Steve?
Steve Jordahl It would take, humility maybe until I start drawing something, and then there's no. Nothing needed except just. There you go. You can see for yourself.
Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah. When it comes to art and painting, I, would just say that wasn't sculpture. That wasn't my calling. are you looking up Ed?
Ed Vitagliano this, movie. Michael, Angela, Charlton Heston Charlton.
The Creation of Adam is in the Sistine Chapel
Tim Wildmon You remember it?
Steve Jordahl Huh?
Tim Wildmon Huh?
Ed Vitagliano Agony and the Ecstasy. The Agony and the Ecstasy.
Tim Wildmon When Was that released? 19.
Ed Vitagliano It was, 1965. It is a really good movie.
Tim Wildmon Is it?
Ed Vitagliano Yeah. And it just taught. It just. It kind of highlights the, Some of the politics involved in those kinds of things. And. And they didn't want him doing it on his back. And he had a certain idea about what he should paint.
Tim Wildmon Anyway, he was commissioned by the Pope at that time.
Ed Vitagliano Yes.
Tim Wildmon To do the artwork.
Ed Vitagliano Pope Julius ii, inside.
Tim Wildmon And what is that painting that he, Where God is reaching down to man.
Steve Jordahl Well, that's the top of the Siching Chapel.
Tim Wildmon Yeah. Oh, yes, it is. But there's a name for that. There's a name for that particular painting. And you're right, it is in the Sistine chap.
Steve Jordahl It's the centerpiece of the system.
Tim Wildmon It's not called the 16th Chapel. People don't go over there.
Steve Jordahl No.
Tim Wildmon And ask directions to the 16th chapter. Like there was 14, 15, 6.
Steve Jordahl Sistine.
Tim Wildmon Sistine. S I S T I N E T I N E. What are you saying now?
Ed Vitagliano I was just looking up, Michelangelo, I believe, the. All these long names. Michelangelo D. Lodovico Buonarati Simoni. So he's, known.
Tim Wildmon No wonder he got shortened. Who's going to call you that? To answer your question, yes. The Creation of Adam. Okay, so the Creation of Adam is a painting in the Sistine Chapel by Michelangelo. And it's the famous one that everybody. They don't know the name of it would recognize with the hand of God reaching down to the hand of man.
Steve Jordahl Right.
Tim Wildmon About described it. Right?
Steve Jordahl Yes.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah. And like touching the finger. And I think that's meant to represent the. The creation of man and being given the image of God.
Tim Wildmon Yes. Amen. Amen.
The College of Cardinals is choosing a new pope in the Sistine Chapel
All right.
Steve Jordahl Anything else you want to know about?
Tim Wildmon Well, I just. I just say this about the. About the. The, Cardinal.
Steve Jordahl I can tell you a little bit about what's going to be going on there, if you want.
Tim Wildmon And they've got, They call Cardinals because they wear the Cardinal Red.
Steve Jordahl I know that egg or the chicken. I don't know what you.
Tim Wildmon I love. I love the, I do. I'm, serious about this. I love the Cardinal Red.
Steve Jordahl I don't know if they call it Cardinal Red because of the, Vice versa or vice versa. Yeah.
Tim Wildmon Okay.
Steve Jordahl But they're all there. And so they are going to be sitting at desks and from, the. From all. They took a vow of secrecy before they came in and from.
Tim Wildmon Everybody knows they're there now, though, and.
Steve Jordahl Well, no, it's not a secret that they're there, but they can't talk about what happens once. What's.
Tim Wildmon Oh, okay.
Steve Jordahl What goes on inside the Sistine Chapel.
Ed Vitagliano So this is the College of Cardinals.
Steve Jordahl It is. That's what they call them. and so they're meeting. And my understanding is what I heard today, at least, from some Catholic, experts on Fox, was they're not going to be a big debate. There's no speeches going on. They basically sit there fairly quietly. They chat, among each other, and then, they pray and they talk a little bit. And then eventually they're going to vote after they've had a sufficient time of prayer.
Ed Vitagliano So there's nobody, like, standing up and saying, I think we should vote for this guy.
Steve Jordahl There's no politicking, not. Not formally, not at least as a group. Now as they eat together, they talk and. Hey, do you know anything about this cardinal from Africa? Because he's. I heard his name. Is he any good? Yeah. You know, then that's how they kind of. Kind of. And then. So when they vote, every time they vote, they have a, chimney that comes out of the Sistine Chapel. I think they put it up just for this. And, if they have not reached consensus on a new pope, they burn something in it that sends up black smoke.
Ed Vitagliano Right.
Steve Jordahl And if they went on the final time that they really do, they find the pope, they put something up that's a white. That they'll burn something, and all of a sudden white smoke will be coming out of them.
Ed Vitagliano The Roman Catholic Church has a new pope.
Steve Jordahl That's right. Unless it's a gay pope. And then it's pink smoke.
Ed Vitagliano Oh, man.
Steve Jordahl I didn't say that out loud, did I?
Ed Vitagliano You said that out loud.
Steve Jordahl yeah. So, But it is. It's. This happened several times. It's, It's always quite the, dramatic things. Everybody's sitting on the outside. The only thing they're. They're seeing is a chimney, and they're just waiting for it. And it could be days before, you know, they come to, an agreement on something. So.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah.
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano Well, so that is. What is. That's the process that is unfolding now in Rome in the Sistine Chapel. And whether it was you or Tim who said it, what. What happens in the Sistine Chapel stays in the Sistine Chapel. But that's technically what they're. Now, that vow of secrecy is that, like forever they Always keep it to themselves, or is it just while they're in the process?
Steve Jordahl Yeah, I don't know that we'll ever. Like, who came in second. I don't know that that's something that they'll figure out. But by the time they choose the Pope, the big secret is out, which is here's the Pope. Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting.
New York City has a new statue of a black woman
We talk about Michelangelo. Times Square has a new statue.
Ed Vitagliano Times Square in New York City.
Steve Jordahl New York City has a new statue. and it's by sculptor Thomas J. Price. And it is. He describes it as a fictionalized character constructed from images, observations, and open calls spanning between Los Angeles and London. Young woman depicted in Grounded in the Stars is a black woman. Portly. Ah. I guess is the best way to say it. and, this is what they said. In her description, one recognizes the shared humanity, yet the, contrapos, contra posito pose of her body. I guess that's an artistic term. And the ease of her stance is a subtle nod towards Michelangelo's David. And I challenge you, if you're looking it up, to, to find anything that looks like, David here.
Ed Vitagliano All right, show me the picture, because I'm trying to look it up. Yeah, that's got. That does not look at all like Dave.
Steve Jordahl It kind of doesn't. Can be hard. Kind of hard to figure out where they got that. But.
Ed Vitagliano Well, listen, they can. They can do and say whatever they want. but, that doesn't look anything like the statue of David. anyway, so that's speaking of Michelangelo's, David.
Steve Jordahl That's what they referenced. the. The. It's a woke. They're. They're, Okay, this is what they say about.
Ed Vitagliano Because some people are saying this promotes Marxism.
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano I'm not sure how. How is that?
Steve Jordahl Well, okay, so they've torn down every statue that has any meaning historically, and now they put up a generic black woman, which checks the intersectional boxes. I don't know. Maybe, she's a generic gay black woman. She's a statue, so it wouldn't really matter.
Ed Vitagliano And she's not skinny like a model. So they would say this is a more realistic picture of a normal person.
Steve Jordahl That's what they say. it's called Grounded in the Stars. And it can. It confronts the preconceived notions of identity and representation, according to the website.
Ed Vitagliano Okay, I'm just gonna be honest. Unless the creator of the statue said something that, you know, he or she is dedicating this To Marxism. I'm not sure how a black woman represents. Promotes Marxism.
Steve Jordahl I think that. And this is. I haven't.
Ed Vitagliano I'm not getting it.
Steve Jordahl I haven't. I've not seen that in the official description, Marxism. But this is how they're getting to this. If you take down a statue of George Washington. Yeah. And you put up a statue of a nondescript black woman, what you have done is you have cut the legs out from history and you've redefined now what, what we're supposed to be reverencing. And that's kind of got a Marxist tinge to it. When you.
Ed Vitagliano Okay, I'm gonna take. By the way, folks, Tim Wildmon had to step out. So it's just Steve and I. I'm going to take the. The Tim position on this and say I'm not seeing it, and I don't necessarily agree with it. Then this is a story from not the Bee. So this is not. This is not a joke that they're making. but. But I will say this. It doesn't look anything like Michelangelo's David.
Steve Jordahl No. I think.
Ed Vitagliano And that's the one that's, you know, people, famously. It's the unclothed statue where he looks like he's looking off to the side.
Steve Jordahl It is. It is a masterpiece.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah.
Steve Jordahl Is that. No, it's. That wasn't the one. What was the one that Michelangelo struck on the knee with a hammer to crack the knee. Just who people would not believe. It's real. No, it's not. It's a statue. Not a real person.
There's also one with Mary holding the crucified child
Ed Vitagliano Oh, I don't know. I've never heard that. There's also the, I guess the pieta. I think that's how you pronounce it.
Steve Jordahl That's a one with a Mary child.
Ed Vitagliano No, Mary holding the crucified child.
Steve Jordahl Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ed Vitagliano So anyway, okay, so next.
Check out the statue of New in New York. You can look up the image and you'll find it
Next story.
Steve Jordahl So much for our art history today.
Ed Vitagliano You can tell, we're not exactly experts, but. Yeah.
Steve Jordahl All right.
Ed Vitagliano Check out the statue of New in New York. It's, It. You can look up the image and you'll find it.
There is a new online grooming group targeting children, according to ABC News
Steve Jordahl I want to have a issue, a little bit of a warning, to parents. A couple warnings. This, what, we're talking about here, is for parents. If you have little ones, this might not be the. The best time, for them to be around. You might want to set them up in the tv.
Ed Vitagliano Parental advisory.
Steve Jordahl Yeah. Just so there is a new online grooming, thing, going on. It's A, it's, It's called the 764 Online Network. And they're targeting children and they go and they, they befriend and what they call grooming, which means they set them up to trust them and then they coerce them into doing a lot of stuff. Now you've heard of this before where they convert, coerce them into sending sexual pictures of themselves. This is just the beginning of this particular evil group. They do have them escalate this into naked pictures and other violent pornography. But they also coerce them into doing violence. The more violent the better. It's kind of a competition among the people who are behind this to see what you can get your kid to do. The more violent the more.
Ed Vitagliano Once, once they've been hooked, once they've been hooked and, and convinced that if they don't do what they're told they'll.
Steve Jordahl Be exposed, they push their victims in. Well, and they're brainwashed because they, they arrested a teenager in a town in Connecticut who used, she was, she used, she was used by these people to recruit others and she boasted about being part of this network. This is what it, this is what ABC News writes. It says they push the victims, create pornographic images, harm family pets, cut themselves with sharp objects or commit suicide.
Ed Vitagliano Okay, now the, the reason we're, we're mentioning this story folks, and I'm looking@uh, justice.gov and it says leaders of 764 arrested and charged for operating global child exploitation enterprise arrests mark significant takedown within violent online network. The reason we're covering this story, it's not for gratuitous reasons, is you have parents, you have got to monitor and be aware of what your child is doing online and somehow make it clear to your child that if they are in some sort of trouble that they can come to you as parents. Because what these demonic individuals do who are running online exploitation groups allegedly like these leaders of 764 is they use secrecy and shame to trap young people so that they can be manipulated.
Steve Jordahl I'm going to send this picture you sent me to your parents or everybody in the school and all of a sudden they'll do anything.
Ed Vitagliano Some kids take their own lives because they can't bear ashamed of it.
Steve Jordahl But in this case that's one of the intended purposes, is to get them that ashamed. how widespread is it? According to ABC News, the FBI has more than 250 investigations currently underway. Every single one of the 55 field offices of the FBI across the country are handling at least 1,764-related case.
Ed Vitagliano And that is in this country. This country and who knows where.
Steve Jordahl Global. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ed Vitagliano So, you know, 10 years ago, when people are talking about the conspiracy theories about Global Rings doing this and that I thought really, is that this sounds like a conspiracy theory. But more and more we are having uncovered the activities of people who are clearly, being used by the devil to harm young people. It's not just young people, but we're talking about young people now. And, they are. A lot of these young people are under siege with, you know, access, to pornography that they're not even looking for. It just pops up on, on social media. folks, pray for your young people. Stay, Stay, involved in their lives and stay vigilant.
American Family Studios producing Impact series on Denver coffee shop owner Jamie Sanchez
Steve Jordahl I don't know if you talk about demonic. I don't know if. Have you talked about the Impact series thing we're doing with this gentleman named Jamie Sanchez?
Ed Vitagliano we've not, We've not mentioned.
Steve Jordahl So this is.
Ed Vitagliano We have enough time to do that.
Steve Jordahl I Just briefly. Okay, Big. The broad strokes.
Ed Vitagliano Let's make sure. Make sure we cover this in a little more detail tomorrow.
Steve Jordahl Tomorrow we will, we will. But basically he owns a coffee shop in, Denver, the Denver area. And he's now spoken Christian, has, Christian beliefs on sexuality and everything, and has become a target, much like Jack Phillips was. but this one's coordinated. It's a coordination between Satanists and atheists.
Ed Vitagliano Communists.
Steve Jordahl Communists. And they're literally putting out flyers that they've docs this guy and they say, bring the demonic presence to this guy's shop.
Ed Vitagliano And the reason they use those words is because now American Family Studios produced what's called an Impact series video on Jamie Sanchez. He started this coffee, shop, folks, to, take profits and use it in, Jamie's ministry to help the homeless. This isn't a guy just with a simple coffee shop. All right? So in one of his interviews, he told American Family Studios that when we would start, when we'd start preparations for the business day, I wouldn't even have to look out. This is what happened prior to what we're talking about now. I wouldn't even have to look outside. I could feel the evil, the demonic presence. When these people showed up to protest us because we're Christian.
Steve Jordahl It's a real thing.
Ed Vitagliano And so the.
Steve Jordahl We battle not against flesh and blood.
Ed Vitagliano But these individuals, the Communist Party and Satanists and the atheist. Local atheist group and. And the local LGBTQ group. They found out about the video, watched it and hit on that statement about the demonic presence. And so we have now been sent a flyer that they have put out and they braggingly say, let's get that demonic presence outside their store again and try to shut them down.
Steve Jordahl You can watch the video that we produced at, stream.afa.net if you're a, Great Commission partner, you have access to it.
Ed Vitagliano And it's called the Jamie Sanchez Story.
Steve Jordahl I think in the Impact series.
Ed Vitagliano Impact series. And we may talk about this more, maybe tomorrow get a little more detail, on this. But folks, the spiritual war is real. please pray for Jamie Sanchez and his family and his co workers because the devil is out headhunting today.
All right, that's all the time we have for today's issues
Steve Jordahl Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano All right, folks, that's all the time we have for today's issues today. More great programming directly ahead. God willing. We'll see you tomorrow.
Tim and Ed talk with Steve on top news headlines of the day including a discussion on how the Cardinals have gathered for the Conclave and process to find a new Pope is underway.
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