Today's Issues continues on AFR with Tim Wildman and Fred Jordan
>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues. That's the name of the show on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for joining us. And a special hello to our new listeners in Des Moines, Iowa. M. We're on the air now in Des Moines. I don't have the. We can find out where we are on the dial, so people who know people who live in Des Moines can check, us out there. we just turned a new radio station on there about a week ago. Tim, Wesley, Fred. And now Steve Paisley. Jordan joins us in studio. Good morning, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody. Especially in Des Moines. How y' all doing today?
>> Tim Wildmon: okay, so 80, if you have somebody who lives in Des Moines, the greater Des Moines area, we probably go out about 25 miles from Des Moines with our radio station. 89.3 is on the FM dial. 89.3.
>> Steve Jordahl: Des Moines.
>> Tim Wildmon: Des Moines. That's when they know you're not from.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: You heard us talking about Tucker Carlsen, right?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, I did.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, what do you think about all this?
>> Steve Jordahl: I think it's a shame I'm with y' all that I was a great, ah, huge fan of Tucker Carlsen when he was at Fox, and he and a couple other people in the conservative movement have just gone off the deep end. And so when he's talking, the one thing I think I'd like to, help clear, well, continue the discussion on is this Christian Zionism thing that Tucker seems to have a problem with. Gary Bauer, we were running a story on this with, Gary, and Gary had a good description of Christian Zionism and maybe, why it's not what it seems to be. Let's just listen to cut 14.
>> Frank Gaffney: I'm glad that there's been such a, ah, backlash to Tucker Carlsen. Interviewing this guy Fuente. I don't know what in the world Tucker Carlsen was thinking. I think he made a mistake bringing that guy, that loser on his show. And I wish Tucker would own up to that. He's verbally attacked Christian Zionists. Well, Christian Zionists are Christians that believe the Bible. God made a covenant with the Jews and gave them a, homeland in Judea and Samaria. I want to make it very clear. You cannot be a Christian and hate Jews. Jesus was a Jew.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so. All right, let me just state this part of it too. You can disagree with the policies of the nation of Israel and the, the government of Israel. He can disagree with their policies while not, quote, hating the Jews or not, thinking that God.
>> Steve Jordahl: Has abandoned them and therefore we should.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you. I knew you're here for a reason, Steve. more than one, but. Fred, you know what I'm trying to say here, Fred?
>> Fred Jackson: Oh, absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: Lay it out.
>> Fred Jackson: I mean, I disagree that Israel allows gay pride parades in Jerusalem.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: So I disagree with that. Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: That doesn't negate the.
>> Fred Jackson: No, you can disagree with when it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Comes up you criticize.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right, absolutely.
>> Fred Jackson: And we have, we've done stories on this. You know, there may be political decisions that are made in Israel that we disagree with. But when it comes to believing that the Jews today are, are, are still part of that covenant that God gave Abraham in Genesis chapter 12, I will bless those that bless you. Curse those that curse you. that is the Abrahamic covenant. Do we believe, we talked about this at our story meeting this morning, that there are two different covenants, one for Jews and one for Gentiles. No. No.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right, that's a good point.
>> Fred Jackson: Paul points that out. There's no such thing as a dual covenant. That's what some people believe, that the Jews will be saved by keeping the law. Not. No, that's why Jesus came. He came to fulfill the law. The Bible says very clear, Jews as.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well as the Gentiles.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, right.
>> Fred Jackson: But as far as supporting the Jewish people, they have a right to that nation. That area now they're squeezed into a postage stamp. We've talked about before when God gave the deed to the Jewish people. It's all the way from the Nile to the Euphrates. So Israel is now existing on a small little piece of land. And that's why we get upset when news media and some people even in the Christian community start talking about, well, how about that two state solution? Let's go ahead and have a two state solution. Well, listen, it's been tried, folks. It's been tried and it doesn't work because the other side does not want a two state solution.
>> Tim Wildmon: just, just for a minute, with, the God's relationship with mankind prior to Jesus Christ coming to earth was with the Jews, right?
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: The Hebrews, the children of Israel, the Israelites. right. Okay. When Jesus Christ came on the scene and he opened up God's relationship with everybody, with the Gentiles, correct me if I'm wrong, on my theology.
>> Fred Jackson: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. So the gentiles being not anybody, non Jew.
Tucker Carlson called out Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee on Christian Zionism
So salvation is now available for those who believe and trust in Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins. Is for. Is available for the Jew and the, and the, Gentile.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: But both must trust in Christ, as you say.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: There's no free pass because you're a, from the.
>> Frank Gaffney: From.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're a Jew. The lineage, the lineage of Abraham.
>> Fred Jackson: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, let me just say this too there, beyond Christian Zionism, which you described, which is. I guess Tucker Carlsen thinks that's a brain virus. He called out Ted Cruz and my Huckabee. He owes them an apology. I don't think that'll be forthcoming. But that was just, awful what he, what he said about those two guys. Those are, those are Christian patriots, who've had a lifelong service in defending faith, family and freedom.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And anyway, yeah, even if they disagreed on it, the way that he treated friendly fire was wrong.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, you don't, you don't talk about Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz like that. But anyway, what, I wanted to say is put the theology aside for just a moment. Okay. Israel is our number one ally in the world, probably. and certainly in the Middle east, where there is a lot of people who hate America. Israel doesn't. Israel loves America. So Israel, also protects the Christian, what do you call, what would you call, the Christian Historical places.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: That are so critical, that are so beloved by millions of Christians around the world. And we visit there once a year every year. And Israel protects those sites. If you had a Muslim country, they would not protect those sites. They would not. So, so the Jewish people, the Jewish state of Israel protects those sites. so, there's just multiple reasons. They also, by and large have Western values there. Now they are mostly secular Jews there. That is true. but there are a lot of Orthodox and religious Jews and there are some vast minority. There are some, what we call, Messianic Jews. Messianic Jews there. But look at the history of Israel and the Jewish people in that part of the world. You go, you take, you're going back thousands and thousands of years. so I just don't get what Tucker Carlsen seems to be doing is going over. Even if you disagree, he's just being mean spirited about the whole thing. Seems to me.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I agree with you on that.
>> Tim Wildmon: And I don't know Candace Owens too.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Candace Owens, even further. But I don't know Nick Fuentes. I've never, I've never followed him. I've said the one time I saw him was at, the Mar A Lago interview.
>> Tim Wildmon: He went down there with Kanye West. I Remember I was with him.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes, sure you were.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Wait a minute.
>> Wesley Wildmon: No, I know you were not on that.
>> Tim Wildmon: I was not with them.
>> Wesley Wildmon: No, you were not. so I, so I don't know anything about. Don't follow him.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Like I do others. But leading up to this discussion prep, I did listen to a good portion of his interview with, with Turkle Carlsen.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And, and Tucker Carlsen has also said what I'm about to say about. They would. Nick said. Nick Fuentes. They remember this is a long two hour interview and I list about 25 minutes of it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But they, he would say, and Tucker would say that they were radicalized and they would own. Nick. I, used that word, radical.
>> Tim Wildmon: You keep calling him Nick.
>> Wesley Wildmon: What do you want to call him?
>> Tim Wildmon: That's okay.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: If I say his home, I want people to know.
>> Tim Wildmon: You don't.
>> Wesley Wildmon: No, I don't know Nick. But if I say for Winters one more time, I'm going to mispronounce.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's not easily. Okay, go ahead.
Nick Fuentes says Tucker Carlson became radicalized by criticizing Israel
>> Wesley Wildmon: All right, so Nick Fuentes, when listening to him on Tucker Carlsen, he would say that his radicalization would be because he would ask other Jews early on when he didn't know, quote, know any better questions about why they didn't criticize anything, Jew, Israel related or Benjamin Netanyahu or whatever. They wouldn't criticize. And he would say why not? And then they would call him an anti cinema, anti Semite because they were. He would ask that question and they would respond that way and then he would say because of that, because no one would give me a good answer, then I'll dug further and I become further and further more radicalized in his position and how he came today. And Tucker would agree with that. That's what they would say as hard. It's hard to believe. Now obviously I would, I would guess there's some people out there that if you say anything critical of the nation of Israel, they would have a problem. But I would think that the majority or most people that support Israel would not have a problem having a discussion with anything that we see about Israel that we may disagree with. Am I?
>> Fred Jackson: No, no, no, I agree with you. But I think the other reason Christians support Israel is that, the story isn't finished yet. When Jesus returns, he's not going to Wall street, he's not going to London, he's coming back. His feet will touch on the Mount of Olives.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what he said.
>> Fred Jackson: And he will set up his kingdom and Jerusalem will be the Capital. So that story isn't over yet. So to say that God is through the Jewish people, God is through with Israel, is simply factually not true.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Amen.
Tucker Carlson calls on conservatives and Republicans to repudiate this wholeheartedly
All right, next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: One more thing.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, go ahead. One more thing.
>> Steve Jordahl: One more thing about the whole Tucker thing, which is right now we're seeing the left wrestle with the extremes of its party. We're seeing communism come in, we're seeing Mamdani, we're seeing aoc, we're seeing them held captive by the radicals on the left. I am calling on mainstream, clear thinking conservatives and Republicans to repudiate this wholeheartedly, 100% clearly. And now, because the one thing that I don't want to see is the right have a civil war within its ranks like the left is having it is decimating the chances, I think, the voting chances nationally, I think, of the left. I just don't think it's, helpful. I think, I want to see this nipped in the bud. I don't want to see the radical right do what the radical left did to the Democrats.
Eric Holder wants changes to United States Supreme Court after midterm elections
All right, speaking of elections having consequences, Eric Holder, you remember him from, the former Attorney General, former Attorney General Barack Obama, he is looking forward, he says, that there is a fair chance that Democrats, he thinks they have a good chance of at some point taking back both houses of Congress and the White House. And when that happens, he is insisting on some changes mainly to the United States Supreme Court. Let's listen to cut 16.
>> Speaker F: You know, the reality is, and it pains me to say this, I think the Supreme Court is a broken institution. And it's something that has to be, I think, a part of the national conversation. In 26 and in 28, what are we going to do about the Supreme Court? And I think that we have to think about again, talking about the acquisition and the use of power if there is a Democratic trifecta, in 2028, and I think the possibility of that is pretty good, Supreme Court reform is something that has to be considered. Term limits, I think, at a minimum, potentially expanding the court is something I think that also should, be considered. We cannot leave in place, without a discussion at least. And I think without substantive reforms, being put in place, this Supreme Court as it is presently constituted, elections have consequences.
>> Steve Jordahl: I guarantee you if the Democrats had won and had been able to appoint three or four more liberal Supreme Court justices, they would not be anywhere close to this.
>> Fred Jackson: That's why Senate Majority Leader Thune is not willing to give in to the Suggestion of ending the filibuster. Because if you end the filibuster and there are 51 Democrat senators, at some point, they will say, okay, filibuster's gone. You guys set the precedent for it. And then they can do what they want with the Supreme Court. They can make Puerto Rico a state, they can make D.C. a state that's been on the agenda for some time. Eric Holder is just repeating what has been talked about for years amongst Democrats.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Next story.
The Trump administration has revived domestic oil production, which has helped boost economy
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, there's a discussion right now on the economy of the United States. you know, there are some signs that you could take either way. The stock market is doing pretty well. the housing market seems to be slowing down. There are some people saying we might be in for some trouble. But, I want to point out something that the Trump administration has done that has kind of kept the strength in the economy. And it is through the Interior Secretary, Doug Burgum, and he is confirming that the United States has just set an all time record in domestic oil production. Remember when, Donald Trump ran on Drill Baby Drill? It is having. It's the reason the energy costs are down, gas prices remain low. and it's because he has revived the, oil and gas, production in this country.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, that's a good thing.
>> Steve Jordahl: It is a good thing. We always like a good economy and especially with, good news. Travel coming up, Thanksgiving travel and everything coming up. You might, be grateful for some good gas prices.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yep.
>> Wesley Wildmon: so what?
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't think we got unanimity on this one. We're all for lower gas prices.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And so drill one of them lower, though.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, gas prices have basically been stabilized for the last couple of years. Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. Remember Joe Biden took a whole bunch of, oil from the reserve so that he could artificially keep things, the prices low in order.
>> Tim Wildmon: Also think the green movement, which had some momentum back during Biden, and even, even before that, they've kind of petered out, as they say. I don't see. I don't know when. So people are coming to the realization, even Bill Gates, remember.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: That fossil fuels are here to stay. And they're. And they're not nearly as dangerous to the planet as we've been led to believe by these far left. but, Rush Limbaugh would call environmental wackos. So I think, I think they're not, they're not able to scare people anymore like they once were. And so I, think that's helpful to Our economy.
>> Steve Jordahl: Bill Gates went as far as to say that the world will not end because of any kind of climate crisis. There is no climate crisis.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what he said.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's what he said.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, that isn't what he said 10 years ago. Ten years ago he was going, we're all going to die. That's right. of a hot planet if we don't do A, B and C. And now I guess he was wrong.
>> Steve Jordahl: He's.
>> Wesley Wildmon: One day.
>> Steve Jordahl: I think he even admits he was wrong.
>> Wesley Wildmon: One day. I'm going to do what I've said I'm going to do.
>> Tim Wildmon: What are you going to do, West?
>> Wesley Wildmon: I've been saying for years, I want to have a segment called Common Ground with the liberals where we, where we cover stories like this, where they. I say, it's tongue in cheek. It's really them. Agreement.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Okay. Worried there for a minute.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's the point of the.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, that's the point of the.
>> Tim Wildmon: But I thought I raised you better.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You know, because I.
>> Fred Jackson: We.
>> Wesley Wildmon: We can.
>> Tim Wildmon: We'll. Hey.
>> Wesley Wildmon: We'll let them get the light. We'll let them make.
>> Fred Jackson: We'll make.
>> Tim Wildmon: Another word.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: In other words, you want to highlight how they've come around our way of thinking. Because our way of thinking proved to be true.
>> Fred Jackson: True.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. But we can call. We want to. We want to let them have their.
>> Tim Wildmon: I got you.
>> Fred Jackson: It was comical during the Biden years, remember, they were trying to sell electric cars to everybody. remember the energy secretary, I think it was, wanted to take a trip from New York or Washington west, but their electric car broke down because they couldn't find, places to recharge their cars. It was a total disaster. Total disaster.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, if you want to have an electric car, knock yourself out. I may have one day. I don't know. People need that. You know, that's all kind of.
>> Fred Jackson: If you want to toodle around town, go ahead. Yeah, go.
>> Tim Wildmon: Tesla is a. Is a. Is a.
Elon Musk is teasing a possible flying car with Joe Rogan
>> Tim Wildmon: I've been in a Tesla.
>> Steve Jordahl: They drive fun car.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't have one, but they drive really nice.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And, so I'm. Yeah, I can see why people would buy them. And some people buy because they want to save money on gasoline. But, you know, forcing. Trying to force feed electric cars on everybody and, all these other, you know, warnings that we keep getting about the end of the world if we keep using fossil fuels is just not true.
>> Steve Jordahl: I was listening. Elon Musk was on with Joe Rogan this last week.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: And he is teasing a new, product, a new car, new Tesla reveal. And he says it might be the most spectacular reveal in the history of the world. He is touting. He is hinting at a flying car.
>> Fred Jackson: Huh? Uh-huh.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Now, they're gonna have to be some, regulations.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, I'm sure there will be, but.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That would be like.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's the difference between George Jetson.
>> Steve Jordahl: Exactly. I mean. But that's what he's. He's almost said as much as that there's going to be a way to have a flying car in his next. And he wants to do this reveal. He says by the end of this year.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. You're going to. I'm thinking about the potential flying car.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. You're right, though. Who's going to police the skies, you know? Huh?
>> Tim Wildmon: Am I the only one thinking this?
>> Wesley Wildmon: I was thinking you was, too.
>> Tim Wildmon: You were.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I was back in the future.
>> Steve Jordahl: Had that all set.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm just messing with you.
>> Tim Wildmon: You. If you say I was, I say you were. Right. You. Let's move on. Yeah, we got five minutes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I was trying to make.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, neither one of us are any good at English, so, we just need to move on.
All right. No more. Sorry. Did you know we'll end a little. Well, be better. Listen, I argue with you.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: C plus now.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: Well, be better.
>> Steve Jordahl: Did you know we'll end a little.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, I argue with you. No more.
>> Wesley Wildmon: No more.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, go ahead, Steve. Sorry. My son's over here rebelling.
>> Steve Jordahl: I'll leave that to you two to figure out.
Fred: I think the Southern Baptists and Evangelicals don't have chief astronomers
but, this is probably why the Southern Baptists don't have one of these. But did you know that the Vatican has a chief astronomer? His name is Father Richard de Souza, and he has been named the chief astronomer of the Vatican. And, what did he do? Well, he's opining about what would happen if there are little green men.
>> Tim Wildmon: Does he do mass for astronauts or something?
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, no. He. He opines. He said he was asked the question about what would happen to theology if we discovered aliens. Little green men. Aliens, like, from another planet? And he said, yeah, theology would have to be reimagined and take into consideration other beings. He said that they'd be part of God's creation. They'd be the children of God. But would they be covered by Jesus? would you be able to baptize them? This is getting all into the weird, weird weeds. Which is why, again, I think the Southern Baptists and the Evangelicals don't have chief astronomers.
>> Fred Jackson: No, I just believe what the Bible says about the heavens. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, what does the Bible say, Fred?
>> Fred Jackson: Bible says, there's three levels of heavens. And out there somewhere is where Jesus went. He is building a home for us for all eternity. And I'm. Look, as things get crazier here, as things get crazier here, I'm looking more forward to that every day. Every day.
>> Steve Jordahl: My dad, who's a pastor for 40 years, used to opine that if there is life on other planets, it's angelic life. It's where the angels go to. maybe they have. If there is life on other planets, it would have to be angelic because Christ died for humankind. He didn't go to another planet to die for them too.
>> Wesley Wildmon: This is what ancestors in Genesis would teach because they covered this alien issue at the, ark encounter that we went to.
>> Steve Jordahl: Am I close to what they were saying?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yep.
>> Steve Jordahl: Good, I'm glad to know it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, this, that addresses aliens, but it doesn't do anything for me about Bigfoot.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, I don't know.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's Wednesdays.
>> Tim Wildmon: Are we going to cover that tomorrow?
>> Wesley Wildmon: So stick around. We want to tease, folks.
>> Tim Wildmon: Bigfoot's real.
Tim Wildman: We say it's time to close afr. com
All right, so we're out of time. We thank you for yours.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I think it is. This is the first, this is one of the first radio programs I've been a part of where I said this is a really good thing.
>> Tim Wildmon: We say it's time to close it down.
>> Wesley Wildmon: We say that anyway sometimes, but it really is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Because we're, we're getting borderline. Yeah. saying something we probably would regret.
>> Wesley Wildmon: If we hadn't already.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. All right, thank you, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: My pleasure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Steve Paisley. Jordan. Joining us there, Fred Jackson, Wesley Wildmon. I'm Tim Wildmon. And we want to thank Brent Creeley, our producer, and, let's see, Chris Woodward was on with us and Todd Nettleton of Voice of the Martyrs. And, we thank you for listening to afr. We hope you will continue throughout the day and we'll see you back here 22 and a half hours from now.
