Today's Issues continues on AFR with Tim Wildman and Ray Pritchard
>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on American Family Radio. I'm Tim with. I'm Tim Wildmon with Wesley Wildmon and Ray Pritchard. Ray's in Florida, and we're in Mississippi. And joining me, in also in studio now is Steve Paisley Jordan. Good morning, brother Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Good morning. Afternoon, everybody. So it's afternoon for Ray. Are you the Florida man that they keep talking about, Ray?
>> Tim Wildmon: I am the Florida man. During the break, I realized it's lunchtime here. It's here in Florida.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're used to doing the show from Kansas City, which.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Central time zone.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: anyway, thanks for listening to us, everybody, on, to American Family Radio. If you want to go to our website, afr.net afr.net this show we podcast so you can listen on demand.
>> Tim Wildmon: And.
>> Tim Wildmon: And a lot of the other shows we have here on American Family Radio are offered in podcast form. again, well, how you doing today, brother?
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm well. I'm well, thank you. Yeah, it's a good day so far.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wearing the paisley shirt.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Got the paisley on paisley going.
>> Steve Jordahl: And I've got an AFA T shirt underneath there, too. So this.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, do you really?
>> Steve Jordahl: this is the youth, the youth conference. The last.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: The Activate Summit.
>> Steve Jordahl: Activate Summit.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Summit conference there we had in Jupalo. You helped out with the youth. I did, yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: I want to finish our conversation. we were talking. Many of our listeners are familiar with the names Tucker Carlsen, Candace Owen, those two in particular. but there's. There's a. There's a lot of, names that we could bring up, maybe not well known as those names that make up the conservative podcast world out there, which is. Has an enormous following. but there's. There's a civil War. Civil war going on right now in, in that. Within that camp.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know I'm talking about Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes, sir.
>> Tim Wildmon: so we were talking about Candace Owen. She did. Wesley. You credited her. You said she went. Did one of the best exposes about the Black Lives Matter movement, didn't.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes, she did a documentary on. And I watched the whole thing, and it was phenomenal. Chelsea and I, we actually paid. Paid to watch it.
>> Tim Wildmon: This is what, four or five years ago?
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. Yep. This would have been in 2021, is. I believe it was. And watched it now, wasn't she, with.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ben Shapiro at the time, they helped.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They financially helped produce the Daily Wire. Yeah. And she was, she was the host of the film, the doc or the documentary. And.
>> Tim Wildmon: But she had built up a lot of credibility inside the conservative movement, right?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, she built that up. She. I know she's been, there. I don't know if she's been in the Blaze, I can't remember, but she's been two or three stops before. She's now independent on her own.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Steve, what's the. If you don't know, Wesley will know. But I want to include you in the show, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Thank you. I appreciate that very much.
>> Tim Wildmon: I want to build your.
Candace Owen says Israel and Erica Kirk were involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination
Okay, so do you know what the, what the controversy is surrounding Candace Owen right now?
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, we've talked a little bit about Tucker Carlsen and his kind of, like, anti Israel, Israel stuff. Times three is probably where Candace Owen has, probably landed. And I don't know why, because she was like, Wesley was saying she was very solid back in the day. But like Tucker, it seems like as they get independent, she has kind of gone off the rails. She's gone as far as to say that Israel and Erica Kirk were involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination, which is just ludicrous. but this is what she's spouting out there.
>> Tim Wildmon: I wish you do something like that.
>> Steve Jordahl: You know, this. Without the Internet, this would not be possible. so are they looking for clicks? I don't know.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is this the video going around? And feel free to comment on this if you want to, but is this the video going around where they have Frank Turek and some, of the other people on the, that were with Charlie that day doing hand signals and so forth as if they were relying to the shooter messages? you know, you guys know what I'm talking about.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I know that, Candace Owen, early on. Now here's a problem. Another problem with. Well, early on, she did have the same Frank Turret clip going around, but then. And then she asked questions. You know, her. Her way of journalism is putting something out there that's so outlandish and then following up. Well, I'm just asking questions. And then when we get answers to.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what Tucker Carlsen does too.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But then it gets worse because then after we do get clarification and answers to what she proposed, she doesn't follow up. And that's what makes people of sound mind very angry. We, go from not listening to her to now we have to talk about her and criticize her. When she otherwise is ideologically sound 90% of the time because she just proposed something that she's not gonna follow up. When she's given the answer to the question, she doesn't come back. Okay, now I have the answers I got. You know, so she just leaves it out there.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: I think, both Tucker and Candace, I think Donald Trump has broken both of them. I think they're trying to find a place on the right which is, unique. they're distancing themselves from the MAGA movement. From Trump. They wouldn't call it that, but they are, because even Donald Trump hasn't got anywhere near any of these conspiracy theories.
Tim Ferriss: Ray, I have a question about Israel for you
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, Ray, I want to. Ray, anything you want to say about what we just talked about? If not, I have a question relative to Israel for you. Go ahead.
>> Tim Wildmon: Go right ahead.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, here's the question. And we talked about, related to what we were discussing here because Candace Owen and Tucker Carlsen both have outspoken critics of Israel and the Jews and, that American Christians were too tight with Israel because of our theological beliefs, not because of our rational beliefs. Have I got this right?
>> Steve Jordahl: M. Pretty much, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so let me ask you, Ray, on this. I think America's relationship to Israel. yes. Does my theology, matter in how I view Israel? Yes, it absolutely does. But I think our relationship to Israel, our special relationship with Israel as our top ally in the Middle east, if not the world, is worth protecting and preserving, and that Israel has a right to exist and we should not take just, a, neutral position on the country of Israel, the nation of Israel, as these people like Tucker Carlsen and Candace Owen and, others on the right, some of them say we should take an adversarial position with Israel. Comment on that, if you would.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, first of all, you are exactly right that our theology, from our point of view, as Christian conservative evangelicals, we read the Bible, we see that God has a plan for the Jewish people, that God is the one who brought the ancient nation of Israel into being. And we believe that God had a hand in what happened in 1948, the incredible victory of the Jewish armies against all those Arab nations that came against them. We say it didn't happen by chance. We say the providential hand of God. So we as Christians see God's hand in that. And so we are very much inclined to. We're inclined in general to support Israel, and we defend fiercely Israel's right to exist. Right. We say that. Now, what if somebody says, well, I don't. I don't look at it that way. I don't look at. I don't know the Bible. I don't know about this history. I don't know about this providential hand of God. We'll find. Remember that less than a century ago, 80 years ago, there was a man in Germany who led a nation that spent untold amounts of money trying to wipe the Jewish people from the face of the earth. And he was successful to this extent that he basically erased Judaism from Germany and from Poland and from other European nations so that 6 million Jews died during the Holocaust. If, if somebody hates the Jewish people that much and then they become, they become a democratic nation in the Middle east, it makes perfect sense. From the days of Truman going through Eisenhower and Kennedy all the way on up to Donald Trump. Democrats and Republicans, though we disagree on so much, Tim, Americans generally have said Israel is our number one ally in the Middle east and we ought to stand by her and defend her as much as we can. One other thing. Does that mean we have to agree with everything Mr. Netanyahu says? No. Does it mean we have to agree with every military decision or every particular policy? No. But our general policy is right, that we are on the side of Israel, its continued existence and its continued existence as a strong Democratic state in the midst of the turmoil of the Middle East.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen, brother. And I think it's unfair for people, I think I've heard Tucker put it this way. well, you know, he had to, he had, Tucker had to walk back his comments that he hated. He hated Christians who, Christian Zionists, Christian Scientists. He hated them. Remember that?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And Mike Huckabee said, I have no idea that Tucker hated me. Remember that?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: but Tucker, did walk that back in the sense that Tucker's had to walk back a lot, quite frankly, because he says things in the heat of the moment, in anger, and he admits to this that he has to take back and walk back. You do that too many times. People just start.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Saying, you know, you're just not credible anymore because you're always having to walk back stuff.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. You have the microphone, you know what you're about to go do. So you got more self control than that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So he said, he got angry and he, he shouldn't have said that. I think he said something about the people I hate the most are Christians. Something like that, which would mean people like us basically, who, support the nation of Israel. And as Ray said, that doesn't mean you have to Agree with every single policy.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: But we do, stand by the right to exist of Israel and their enemies, want to wipe them off the face of the earth. They don't agree with their right to exist, such as Hamas, for example. now do we wish a better life for the Arab people there, the Palestinian people? Yes, we do, in Gaza. And I hope the fighting is over and the warfare is over and somehow they can build a. Although you've seen those pictures, that's just rubble. They're going to have to, they're going to have to spend 10 years trying to, you know, rebuild physical buildings and roads and schools and everything there in in Gaza to have a, you know, a decent life. But, you know, the reason that Gaza is in rubble is because they wanted, because the Hamas, butchered those people, those Jewish people and some Christians too, on that fateful day, October 7th, a, couple years back. So that's what started all this military conflict and that's why they are in rubble. So. Go ahead, Steve.
If Palestinians want better lives, they have to get rid of Hamas
>> Steve Jordahl: so the, I know you guys talked last hour about the UN Security, Council and the peace plan that they've got.
>> Tim Wildmon: They've adopted the Trump peace plan.
>> Steve Jordahl: They have, yeah. Hamas has rejected this now, and said that that doesn't meet their expectations. So they're out, which is no surprise to anybody that's been watching. But if you want the Palestinian people in Gaza to have better lives, they have to get rid of Hamas.
>> Tim Wildmon: And Hamas is not in any position to negotiate any longer. They are pretty male. They've been pretty well squashed in terms of militarily by the Israelis.
>> Steve Jordahl: But don't forget they were voted into power in the first place. And from birth, Gazan children are taught to hate Israel and the Jews and they are taught to, that.
>> Tim Wildmon: But if they want a chance at a better life for themselves and their children, their children's children, they will stop fighting Israel and start, go with, go with the Trump peace plan and try to have some money invested into their rebuilding of their, of a country, maybe not a country necessarily, but an area, a region that they can call their own.
>> Steve Jordahl: Don't be surprised if you learn that they don't want to better life.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, that's true.
M. M. asks about Tucker Carlson and Candace Owen on Israel
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to Today's issues on American Family Radio. By the way, one other question about Tucker Carlsen and Candace Owen, who are then. I know Ben Shapiro's is. Who are they? Who's criticizing them on the right. M. Ben Shapiro has been pretty. And Mark Levan To Mark Levin. They're both Jews.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They're both. Yeah. So you would be, you have that group that would be on the other side of things.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right?
>> Wesley Wildmon: and then you have those, that are, in the middle of the, of the war between the conservative sides on this, like Steven Crowder. Steven Crowder. He would be more so in the middle of trying to figure it out. He would say things such as. Stephen Crowder.
>> Tim Wildmon: You listen to him, don't you?
>> Wesley Wildmon: I listen to him quite a bit. He's one that would, for our listeners, he is a conservative Christian podcaster. He is a lot more free with his language and his way of communicating than we can do on afr. Nonetheless, he ideal ideologically, he's ah, very close and aligned with our value, or we would share our worldview. Our worldview. And what his position would be on this is, well, honestly be very similar to what we communicated here. He does not like the idea of giving a lot of money to any country, including Israel, if they're misspending it. on the other hand too, he doesn't mind asking questions about why Israel does certain things that they do. But he's not in the camp where he. If you do support them that you, Does that make sense? He would kind of be in between. He, he would ask questions, but he wouldn't be, but he also not, just, support Israel and close your eyes without question.
>> Tim Wildmon: Next story. Steve.
The House of Representatives is expected to pass the Epstein Files Transparency Act
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, the House of Representatives is expected, this afternoon to pass the Epstein Files Transparency Act.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, all right, all right. I love this story, man. I can't get me enough of Jeffrey Epstein story.
>> Steve Jordahl: A bipartisan group of lawmakers has, issued a discharge petition. It's going to, the House, ah, gonna be discharged. It's gonna be discharged. It's gonna be voted on in the House and it goes to the Senate. It is questionable what will happen in the Senate, but basically it is to release another tranche of Epstein files.
>> Tim Wildmon: How many files do we have? My goodness, We've been releasing them since what, a year ago or so. Release, release, release.
>> Steve Jordahl: We're down to the point where, obviously the files that include child pornography will never be released and nor, I don't think, is any pornography. A lot of the files are, there are some child pornography pictures included in the Epstein files. Epstein's personal pictures, I guess. those are for obvious reasons not going to be released. What's at issue now, I think what they're, debating now is some of the names in the Files that are going to be released may be business associates of, of Jeffrey Epstein, but never visited the island, were never, linked to any of the sexual misconduct that he did. And if you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Why. All right, help me out here because I've tried to follow this story and I'm tonguing my cheek when I say I. Just this story, just this Jeffrey Epstein story, I'm, just. I wish it would go away. Okay. But I know why it doesn't. Okay. just for people who don't know, this guy, Jeffrey Epstein was a New York, socialite.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: I think that's fair.
>> Tim Wildmon: He had a lot, a lot, a lot of money and he hung out with all the celebrities. I say all. I mean, he was in that New York social life circle.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right, Right. Keep going.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right. Jeffrey Epstein was his name and everybody knew who he was and he ran around town and anyway, he was friends with, with all the. And Donald Trump was in that camp. He was a New York, mogul, socialite real estate developer, had a number one hit TV show. So he, There are pictures of this. He hung around Jeffrey Epstein like Bill Clinton hang around, hung around Jeff Epstein, although Bill Clinton hung around him more, evidently. So I'm just talking about, ah, all these people. They, they. A lot of the name celebrities you would recognize, they ran in this circle of new, York New Yorkers, parties and events and TV shows and all this stuff. Anyway, so. But he was busted, Jeffrey Epstein was busted for pedophilia and, and trafficking. Is that. Am I right?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, it's, it's What's pederasty? Yeah, if it's pedophilia, they didn't have any young children, but there were underage girls, teenage girls, and he had an.
>> Tim Wildmon: Island in the Caribbean that he went to. All this is documented. Ah. And he got, he got sent to federal. The federal pen.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: For this. And then he, died mysteriously, committed suicide.
>> Steve Jordahl: He said scare quotes.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so people say, well, he, he either committed suicide or somebody killed him. Because if somebody killed him, they didn't want him talking right from prison about other people who may have been involved with him that were shadow, could have been part of a shadow government.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: This is where the conspiracy and this is where the whole story. This is why. But basically the people who want the Epstein files, such as they are released from the FBI, they would say, they would say I want to know or America needs to know who got money from Jeffrey Epstein, who he hung around and how influential it was. On, politics and our. And the White House and our government. Is that right?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. And why is it in the news again? Because we thought we'd be like you say. They've released records of. Records. Well, you remember the shutdown happened, and guess who lost? The Democrats lost the shutdown issue when it was reopened. And so they pivoted immediately towards. They released some documents. Ray. They had, masked the name of a victim, which comes to, we've come to find out, is a victim, a person who said that Donald Trump was innocent. So that's why they mastered.
>> Tim Wildmon: Innocent of what?
>> Steve Jordahl: Innocent of any wrongdoing with regard to sexual misconduct.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: So the Democrats seized on this as a way to divert attention for the fact that they lost, the shutdown debate.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hold on a second. Let me ask. You got a quote from Chuck Schumer?
>> Steve Jordahl: I do.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: Chuck. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Chuck Schumer, the Senate Majority leader, a Democrat, was asked what. What president, Trump has brought up the subject. It related to this, that if there was anything that he had done wrong, the Democrats would have released it when Biden was in office.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right, right.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's a very.
The Biden administration had access to all of these files
That's a very strong point.
>> Steve Jordahl: And Biden had access. The Biden administration had access to all of these files.
>> Wesley Wildmon: The whole.
>> Tim Wildmon: Biden didn't know he had access.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, but FBI did.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, he didn't know what he had for breakfast, sadly, anyway.
>> Steve Jordahl: And everybody else knew, had access.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They had something on there that was on. On Trump or anybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, because the Democrats controlled the White House and the Justice Department. So if they had stuff. They had the Epstein files.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: If they had stuff on Trump they would have released prior to him running for office.
>> Steve Jordahl: You have to believe they were. They were looking for anything to tar and feather.
>> Tim Wildmon: So this is what Chuck Schumer was asked yesterday, and he doesn't even know who. Go ahead.
>> Steve Jordahl: Chuck Schumer was asked at a press conference why, they didn't call for the release during the Biden administration. Why didn't Biden, release the files? This is how he answered that. Cut 12.
Senator Wesley asks what is Biden hiding about sexual misconduct files
>> Tim Wildmon: Senator, on that note, just, I guess a question that's out there.
>> Steve Jordahl: Why wouldn't they have been released the.
>> Tim Wildmon: Last four years when President Biden was in office? Well, that's the question every American is asking.
>> Steve Jordahl: Not every American, but so many Americans.
>> Tim Wildmon: Are asking, what was he hiding?
>> Steve Jordahl: Why doesn't he want them released?
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, does he not. Did he not hear the question? That's a.
>> Wesley Wildmon: He already had a predetermined statement that's what that was. He already had his statement out and he was ready to go.
>> Tim Wildmon: He sounded like he said, what is Biden hiding?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, that's what it sounded like, which.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is a good question.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Like he said, it's a fair question. And all the American.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're all, we're all asking.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, you asked me, if there were any follow up questions. I looked and looked and looked and could not find any record of any follow up questions. I couldn't even find that particular press conference.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You know, I don't know if there was. It's my opinion, now that I'm not going to help those that are conspiratorial here because on this one I'm not so much. I think that, there are times that you can't release things for legal reasons. And I believe that those that are in charge of this issue or these files, that if they thought there was something that would be incriminating. Incriminating to anyone that they would do. I think this is only serves to protect those that we mentioned this morning, the show meeting. Protect those who names on the list for different reasons and for people to, to prevent people from ruining.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, if you did a business deal with Jeffrey Epstein that had nothing to do with the sexual misconduct and your name appeared on the list, all of a sudden now your name is linked with Jeffrey Epstein, that could really harm.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Especially at this point in the, in the story.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, we're out of time. we thank you for yours, folks. Thanks for listening to today's issues here on American Family Radio. Steve, thank you.
>> Steve Jordahl: My pleasure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley, thank you. Yes, Ray, appreciate it.
>> Tim Wildmon: You bet, thanks.
>> Tim Wildmon: And our thanks to Chris Woodward, Tony Vitagliano and Dr. Ian. I treat shark bites day by day by night he treats shark bites by day and night he said. who joined us from, Cocoa, Florida. All right, have a great afternoon, everybody. stay with us. Keep listening to American Family Radio. We'll see you tomorrow.
