Today's Issues continues on AFR with Steve Paisley Jordal

Ed Vitagliano Today's Issues continues on AFR with your.

Steve Jordahl Host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

Tim Wildmon Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr. I'm Tim Wildmon with Ed Battagliano. And now Steve Paisley Jordal, Good joining us.

Steve Jordahl Good morning. Good afternoon, everybody.

Tim Wildmon Morning, brother Steve. Why'd you have a good weekend, Steve?

Steve Jordahl Yeah, I did watch a little bit of football, watch the nascar, championship race.

Tim Wildmon You watch the World Series?

Steve Jordahl I did. I watched the game seven World Series. My wife was, on a girls weekend out. She, one of her best friends. They were down at a beach in Florida. Times without having to do anything.

Tim Wildmon I wonder what your Dan looks like.

Steve Jordahl It's. It's actually. I have to have cleaned up. I have to clean it up by the time she gets home or else it stresses her out. I don't want to stressed out.

Tim Wildmon What?

Steve Jordahl I just don't, so.

Tim Wildmon Well, pizza. box that World Series. If you missed that. Sorry. You did.

Ed Vitagliano That's going to go down as. Yeah, one of the best, I'm, I'm guessing in history.

Tim Wildmon Game seven. It's like a Hollywood movie. I mean, or something when you're a kid in your backyard and you're going, it's game seven of the World Series.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Tim Wildmon And Tim Wildmon is up and is two outs.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Boom. There goes a homer. It was like that. And, be.

Ed Vitagliano Several games were.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. One of them went 18 innings.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon So it's. I felt, I felt bad for the Toronto Blue Jays fans.

Ed Vitagliano They were so close.

Tim Wildmon Well. And they were at a fever pitch.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon in their home stadium. It's the bottom of the night. Excuse me. It's the top of the ninth and they're ahead four to three and there's one out. All they need is two little outs.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon They're world champs, for the first time in 30 something years.

Ed Vitagliano Hit a home run, Maxi. Yeah, Max.

Steve Jordahl Max Muncie hit a home run.

Tim Wildmon No, he had a home run right.

Steve Jordahl At the top of the ninth.

Tim Wildmon No, he didn't.

Steve Jordahl No, he didn't. Okay, my information is wrong.

Tim Wildmon Just tell me when I can talk. Okay. Can I talk now?

Steve Jordahl Yes, sir.

Tim Wildmon Thank you. you're getting. Where are you learning this kind of interruption behavior?

Ed Vitagliano From the, from the master.

Tim Wildmon I. I deserve that. I did. so, Steve.

Steve Jordahl Yes.

Tim Wildmon What happened Was that Muncie. Is it Mincy or Muncie?

Ed Vitagliano Muncie.

Tim Wildmon He hit a home run in the top, of the 8th.

Steve Jordahl I see, I see. What I did wrong.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. That's why I'm m here.

Toronto Blue Jays and Los Angeles Dodgers were one inch from winning World Series

Speaker D Thank you.

Tim Wildmon And it was became 4 to 3 and then, 3 to 2, 4.

Steve Jordahl To 3 to 3.

Tim Wildmon And then in the bottom and the top of the ninth inning that,

Ed Vitagliano Rojas, Miguel Ross, Gail Rojas, he,

Tim Wildmon Boomed one out to tight, four to four, send it in extra inning. And then in the 11th inning, the, Dodgers ended up winning. By the way, you know how they say in sports sometimes it's a game of inches? Well, the, the Toronto Blue Jays were one inch away from winning the world championship, in the bottom of the ninth. And their player was, their player was out at home plate on a force out on a force out by an inch. I'm, literally an inch.

Ed Vitagliano and I'll say this. It was very close. Just watching because the bases were loaded and it was a force out at home and it was close. You could see, in terms of when the catcher got the ball with his foot on the home plate and the, and the player sliding. But I, I read all kinds of comments that said, well, why did he slide? That takes a second longer. If, then unless you dive head first, stretch your hand out or just run through the plate that you might have gained that half a second, that would have won it. And I thought, well, that's a good, that's a good point. Also, the player did not have a big lead off third base. Now, you're talking about winning.

Tim Wildmon He's the goat. He deserves to be kicked out of town.

Steve Jordahl The other kind of goat.

Tim Wildmon yeah, the other kind of goat. And not the good goat. Greatest of all time. Anyway, it was a fun, World Series. Even if you did. If you don't follow baseball, just the human drama.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Of everything, hanging on every pitch was, ah, quite remarkable to, to see.

On how crazy the WOKE ideology is. Yeah, it's a problem

Tim Wildmon All right. You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. Next story.

Steve Jordahl we have a new woke, problem that we have to worry about. We thought we were done with wokeness, but apparently not good. So I got to tell you this, and this is serious guys. We have to pay attention to this.

Tim Wildmon And take serious part.

Steve Jordahl Serious wokeness. Let's just listen. Let's listen to cut 15, guys.

Speaker D That happened again. I was out minding my own business, not bothering anybody, and I got mispigmented. I, was at the dollar tree. I was picking up some wave caps for the 360 waves. I'm growing out and this guy behind me is like. I didn't know white guys needed those Things. And I said, excuse me, did you just dead skin me? And he's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, what am I talking about? I was assigned white at birth by a doctor, but I identify as a black man.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, it's a problem.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon It shows you how ridiculous that all that garbage is. Huh? Huh?

Steve Jordahl It is indeed.

Tim Wildmon So he dead skinned him.

Ed Vitagliano Now that's pretty. That's. That's brilliant. That's kind of a brilliant take on. On how crazy the WOKE ideology is. I was.

Speaker D And it really.

Ed Vitagliano I was. What did he say? I was, at birth. What did he say?

Steve Jordahl I was assigned white at birth.

Ed Vitagliano Signed word white at birth. But I now identify as. Wow.

Tim Wildmon Well, this is because you have. So stupid. That whole, movement is.

Steve Jordahl It's exactly that stupid. But they take it seriously when it's about gender or sex.

Ed Vitagliano And nobody takes it more seriously than the left.

Steve Jordahl No kidding.

Ed Vitagliano I mean they don't. They don't. They don't joke.

Tim Wildmon Don't miss gender people.

Ed Vitagliano Oh my goodness.

Tim Wildmon But the same people who would say, a boy can call himself a girl and you're supposed to go with it if you say you're a black man or a white man or his. What if I said I'm a seven foot Chinese woman? They would say no, you're actually nuts. Right? That's what you are. Yes, but if I say no, I'm a, I'm a girl. They would.

Ed Vitagliano Good to go.

Tim Wildmon They would say, okay, I'm good with that. Even though. Yeah, same thing.

Steve Jordahl Exactly the same thing.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, same thing. But I don't know what the, Well, I do know why that is.

Ed Vitagliano But anyway, I identify as a research monkey, but not in Mississippi.

Steve Jordahl No, no, you don't. Mississippi.

Tim Wildmon You don't want to be hunted down. Shot.

Ed Vitagliano I'm sorry, I. I just had to bring. Bring the monkeys back.

Steve Jordahl The monkeys are back.

Steve Perry: Allegations of possible irregularities in New York mayoral election tomorrow

Ed Vitagliano Hey. Hey.

Tim Wildmon You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. go ahead, Steve.

Steve Jordahl We've been talking a little bit about, the elections that are going to be going on tomorrow. we've got of course, the New York City, mayoral election. Zoran Mamdani is leading. That looks like he's got a good winning Zoran Mamdani.

Tim Wildmon Okay.

Steve Jordahl And but I gotta tell you when getting some. In some, indications that this isn't all in the up and up, there are some irregularities going on. And this is from James o' Keefe who went in undercover and he caught. There's a group in New York called La Jornada. La Jornada. And it is an immigrant support group. They're supposed to be helping people, with immigration issues from the time they get here to. They're settled.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Steve Jordahl And their executive director, according to James o', Keefe, their executive director, Pedro Rodriguez, was telling an undercover journalist with OKeefe's, media group how to vote. If you're an immigrant, they'll sign you up, register to vote, and tell you to vote for the guy with an M. He's not registered, but they advise him on how to vote. A potential violation of the federal and state election laws. they are telling this and they, they did hundreds of these immigrants that come in and get registered to vote and then are going to be voting illegal immigrants. Illegal.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Steve Jordahl Illegally voted. Well, even if they're, even if they're legal and they're immigrants, they're not. If they're, unless they're citizens, they're not allowed to vote. Right. You shouldn't. But this is what this group. And then in North Carolina, where we've got another, race going here, the Republicans have caught Democrats, they say, paying for votes, a hundred dollars per vote. This is a text, ah, thread from this guy that says, how do I get paid? He's, this is a, a guy that's texting a supposed Democrat representative. I can't afford my electric bill. How long till I get money after I vote? Can you do direct deposit or does it get mailed? And this Democrat official says, after you vote, one of our team members will meet you in her car near your polling place and pay you cash money. We can arrange transportation if you need it. And they've got a couple of these, these email chains that they say.

Ed Vitagliano So. So the accusation is we have these, what appears to be the promise of cash for votes for Democrats. And the accusation is that if it's going on with a couple of people, it's probably going on with more. But of course it's going to be very difficult to prove any of this. Unless you have some sort of a sting or a text. well, I mean, a text, you could get it. They might say, I was just kidding. I'm saying it's gonna be very difficult to prove that.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano but it's, it's why more and more people are very suspicious about our voting system and why some people are advocating going back to paper ballots wouldn't necessarily solve this problem. But at least you'd have confidence that you can do a recount if you, if you need to.

Steve Jordahl Our elections may not. May not be as secure as some would want to have you believe.

Ed Vitagliano Or as you would want or as you would want.

Steve Jordahl For sure. For sure.

Ed Vitagliano It's the lifeblood of our republic.

Nullification is the idea that a state has the right to invalidate federal laws

Steve Jordahl All right. we've also been talking, a lot about the, the ICE and its problems, doing its job in some of these cities like Chicago and New York City, and Oregon Port. there's been a lot of, violence that's going along with some of these ice, arrests. I've seen people jumping up and down, throwing things at cars. One lady even tried to open the door and tried to pull, someone that was being arrested for immigration violation out of the car. And the ICE agent had to come around and actually pull a gun on her to have her get back. Victor Davis Hansen is talking, a little bit about this. And do you, you guys know your history? I know Ed. You do? Do you know what nullification.

Tim Wildmon I do too, but go ahead.

Ed Vitagliano Yes, you do, but, yes, I'm familiar. I, I'm, I'm not an expert on this. I'm familiar with nullification. Tim is a. I'm an expert.

Steve Jordahl Should I just tell him to keep you from having to.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, go ahead, Steve. I'll fact check you as we go here.

Steve Jordahl Thank you. Nullification is the idea that a state has the right to invalidate or nullify a federal law if it thinks it's unconstitutional. And that is what these cities and some of these states are doing. They say that the immigration laws, what ICE is doing is wrong or unconstitutional, and they are nullifying, saying, don't enforce these laws. It's happened before. You know. The last time nullification. Well, maybe not the last time, but the time when nullification got its bad reputation was during the Civil War when the south nullified all kinds of vote, of laws regarding slavery, et cetera. And, Victor Davis Hanson is talking a little bit about this, and I want you to hear what he has to say.

Tim Wildmon Cut.

Steve Jordahl 12.

Speaker E We're starting to see a neo Confederate nullification movement among the contemporary left in general, in particular the Democratic Party. There are governors who openly, literally, candidly says that federal immigration law shall not be enforced in their state, county and local municipal jurisdiction. They haven't read Article 6 of the Constitution, and they're completely ignorant of history and where nullification of federal law leads to. When federal law died, each side nullified it and they began to carry on violence against one another. What we're seeing now is open street Violence. Once you nullify federal law and once you glorify violence, we know where it's going to lead. It leads from leading Kansas to Harpest Ferry to Fort Sumner, and they're playing with fire. And it's very dangerous for the republic and it's time for the left to stop.

Tim Wildmon Well, go ahead.

Ed Vitagliano I just want to say first, and then we talk about the content here.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano Brent Cree. I'm talking with Brent Creely, our producer. I want, maybe if it takes till next week, it's okay. I want music playing underneath whenever I'm talking.

Steve Jordahl You want that music?

Ed Vitagliano I want music, serious music playing underneath my.

Tim Wildmon So people get the full impact of your word.

Ed Vitagliano Absolutely, Absolutely. Some drama because that Victor David Hansen, he's. I, I really like scholar. He's, He's a scholar and he sees things clearly. but it even makes his words even weightier.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano When you have music underneath it.

Tim Wildmon So it does.

Ed Vitagliano Brent, work on that. See if we can get some music.

Steve Jordahl It's a ten, it's about a ten minute, video from Victor Davis Hansen. And what I played you was the summary that he put at the beginning.

Tim Wildmon Okay, you know what? I'm just gonna, don't, don't misunderstand me when I'm, I'm about to role play here a, contrarian on, on this. I don't believe my own words necessarily. I'm just thinking out loud. I am a state rights guy, which is the 10th Amendment right of the.

Ed Vitagliano US Constitution, in part, those powers not given to the.

Tim Wildmon So I basically believe the role of the, of the federal government needs to be very limited with respect to states. States need to be able to decide for themselves how they're going to govern their citizens as long as it's consistent with the United States Constitution. Those states all agreed to the United, to submit to the United States Constitution when they asked to join the union. Am I right?

Steve Jordahl Yes.

Ed Vitagliano Get.

Tim Wildmon Amen.

Steve Jordahl Amen.

Victor Davis Hansen says states should not ignore federal immigration laws

Tim Wildmon All right, so that being said, what. One of the, one of the few roles that the federal government should have is controlling the borders of the country because we can't, we can't, allow for, for each state to decide. They are not, they are, are not going to abide by federal immigration laws. That's insane. What if Montana or Maine say we don't care. Anybody come into our state and they're a border state? No, no, because that affects the whole country. That affects the rest of us. You can't decide to ignore federal immigration law. Are, y' all tracking with me.

Steve Jordahl Here, I'm waiting to hear something contrary.

Tim Wildmon Okay, so. Well, well, what I'm saying. Well, it sounded contrarian when I say, Victor Davis Hansen is arguing for obedience to federal law or you're a rebel. That's what he's saying.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Tim Wildmon And I'm saying that that argument can be turned around, and we would be saying exactly what the left is saying on terms of states rights if it were an issue that we favored sometimes. Does that make sense? You follow me, what I'm saying here.

Ed Vitagliano Okay, you kind of lost me in that last part.

Tim Wildmon Well, it's deep, I agree. But what I'm saying to you is. And I'm getting a little side trick here, don't let me forget where I was just minutes ago. States rights is usually a conservative claim.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Tim Wildmon The left is using states rights as a claim.

Speaker E Right.

Tim Wildmon On. Disobeying are not, not, not complying with federal law, as it relates to immigration. All right.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Tim Wildmon Okay, go ahead.

Steve Jordahl The 10th Amendment, though, is pretty specific about this, and it is. If. If the Constitution does not assign it itself. In other words, if it's not in the Constitution, then the states get to do it. But immigration is addressed.

Tim Wildmon Yes.

Steve Jordahl By the Constitution. Therefore, when they are saying don't enforce it, that's the nullification part.

Tim Wildmon All right, let me also say this. Listen, as I've said before, it never looks good when any kind of law enforcement agency has to physically manhandle people. I don't care what the, circumstance is, unless it's just some terrible, violent criminal that they arrest, where everybody's cheering the arrest. It doesn't matter if they have to slam him against the ground or not. We're all going. Yes, but it's a. It never looks good to the general public when. Okay, I saw a woman being arrested in the, Las Vegas. Excuse me, the Salt, Lake City Airport. This was like the last three days. And she's a little 410 Hispanic lady. All right? And you got these two plainclothes, ICE agents walk up to her in the airport, and they arrest her. she's being charged. What she had done was allegedly, she had. Her name was on a list where she. I guess she was getting ready to fly somewhere. And her name was on a list because in 2002, she ignored a, She was supposed to appear for a deportation, you know, to be able to stay in the country legally, and she did not. She ignored that. She did not comply with the law, and she's been able to live here. For 20 plus years without, without interference, basically. But she's not a citizen and she does not even have a green card or anything like that. She's just here illegally. But she's she ignored the deportation. You follow me here? So these ICE agents go in and arrest her. Now I don't know if she had a rap sheet or not. She may have. May I had. She may have a criminal. I don't know. I don't know. But my, me watching that, I'm going, I can't believe these two big guys are putting handcuffs on this little woman and taking her away to who knows where is she going? It didn't look good.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon You see what I'm saying? So you have so that never looks good.

President Trump warned this will be the biggest mass deportation effort in the history

Well that's going on all across America right now. President Trump warned, he said this will be the biggest mass deportation effort in the history. I didn't believe him at the time. I thought, no, this will just be business as usual. He's just. Because you can't, you can't do what he's suggesting. Well, I was wrong. That Tom Holman guy.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon And Christy Gnome, they are sweeping the country. and a lot, thousands and thousands of people have self deported.

Ed Vitagliano Right.

Tim Wildmon Because they set up a program where we paid for people to self deport.

Ed Vitagliano Right.

Tim Wildmon Make it easy. We'll make it easy on you. We'll pay your way, we'll pay for you to go home and then you can reapply to come here.

Ed Vitagliano You're going home anyway.

Tim Wildmon Right? We can go the hard way or the easy way. So now these people who deported self deported, they can then apply to reenter the country legally. What is what he said. But, but they're, but they're physically, they ICE is physically. Now they're concentrating on criminals. You know, that's what they say, the criminals, the violent criminals and drugs and, and things of that nature. But they're not, they, the ice, they're not they have to physically go and arrest these people. A lot of times that's very dangerous. And then they're being, they're being what, ah, do you call it, doxed. And I read where they're having a hard time recruiting now. They're having isis, having a hard time recruiting because these left, leftist opposition to, to arresting people and deporting them is.

Ed Vitagliano It's turned violent.

Tim Wildmon Is turned violent.

Ed Vitagliano I saw a video over the weekend where they were throwing rocks and bricks through the back window of an ICE vehicle.

Tim Wildmon So what do you do about that? See, when that happens and ICE has to get out of the car because a rock got thrown in the window, and they start manhandling, people. Then the. Then the cameras roll, right? And people go, look at ice. This is why they're out of control. No Kings, you know, you see what I'm saying? So it's a very, unfair situation.

Steve Jordahl The left knows this, too, and they, They m. They take advantage of it. Because no matter. Even if everything that ice does, and I think probably 99% of the things you do is legal and constitutional, I think they try to do everything like that. But even if they do everything right, if you have video after video after video of that, you're going to have the public. It just is going to turn against the program and you're going to suffer politically from it, vote wise. and they know this.

Tim Wildmon I would ask, I would ask. I would ask, and they won't answer this question. I don't think m. Most of them won't. I would ask the people on the left, what do you propose we do then to, as far as borders and border enforcement, what do you propose? And, they're going to come back with this. We need, immigration reform, comprehensive immigration reform. That's garbly gook. That means nothing. What they mean by that is let everybody into the country and rubber stamp their citizenship. That's what they mean by that.

Ed Vitagliano And, and, grant amnesty to those already in the country illegally. Look, I've got about, well, 30.

Tim Wildmon We're out of time. You got something concise, Tim?

Ed Vitagliano Got something you guys got to say?

Tim Wildmon I got some oxygen for me and Steve.

Ed Vitagliano Steve and I listen, the, We have moved way on. I want to go back to Victor Davis and Hanson. We've moved way on down from where the Constitution has separation of powers. and, I don't. I don't see how we can get back to a more constitutional approach the way we're going Cabaret. I will say this. the fact that illegal immigrants are using up dollars that go to people in blue cities should go to them is one card that Republicans can play and say, if we don't deport these people, they're taking your SNAP dollars. And that might sway some voters.

Tim Wildmon See you tomorrow, everybody.