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>> Tim Wildmon: Welcome to Today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association. Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to AFR and, we appreciate it very much. I'm Tim Wildmon with Wesley Wyoming. Good morning, Wesley.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Good morning. Looking forward to today's issues.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's all good news.

>> Wesley Wildmon: When you got today, I was about to say welcome to today, but then today is in Today's Issues.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you could say, welcome to today's Today's issues.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's what I did. But that's. That was a reason.

>> Tim Wildmon: You had to put a comment.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That was a reason for the comma.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. Chris Woodward. Good morning, Brother Chris.

>> Chris Woodward: Good morning.

>> Tim Wildmon: And Ray Pritchard. Good morning, Ray.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good m. Morning, Tim. How you doing today?

>> Tim Wildmon: Thunderstorms in Kansas City today. Huh? Huh? Oh, gonna rain a lot.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's gonna rain a lot, but we need it, right? It's been a little parched up here, so. Yeah, yeah, it's coming down and it's at least through tonight. But, I think most of us are glad. Glad to see it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Not tornadic weather, is it? Just some rain. Thunderstorm.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, yeah, I was looking. No real alerts.

>> Tim Wildmon: Nothing.

>> Tim Wildmon: So we're gonna be fine.

>> Shailene Burlage: Alright.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, again, folks, thanks for listening. Raised in Kansas City. We're in Tupelo, Mississippi and we thank you for listening wherever you may be. a lot to talk about today in the news. Chris, what's our first story?

Tim Ferriss: President Trump's voice sounds weak at United Nations

>> Chris Woodward: Well, President Donald Trump, the leader of the free world, is giving remarks at the un. It looks like he may have just wrapped up, but he gave a lengthy speech and at the beginning of his remarks, the, president talked about his efforts to try to get a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. Clip allowed.

>> Donald Trump: As everyone knows, I have also been deeply engaged in seeking a ceasefire in Gaza. Have to get that done. Have to get it done. Unfortunately, Hamas has repeatedly rejected reasonable offers to make peace. We can't forget October 7th, can we? Now, as if to encourage continued conflict, some of this body is seeking to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state, the rewards would be too great for Hamas terrorists for their atrocities. This would be a reward for these horrible atrocities, including October 7, even while they refuse to release the hostages or accept the ceasefire. Instead of giving to Hamas and giving so much because they've taken so much, they have taken so much. This could have been solved so long ago. But instead of giving in to Hamas's ransom demands, those who want peace should be united with one message. Release the hostages Now.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's President Trump speaking this morning to the United Nations. Is that a, do you know, Chris, is that an annual, scheduled talk that I think it is, isn't.

>> Chris Woodward: It is, yes. and a number of world leaders are going to be speaking.

>> Tim Wildmon: Boy, he sounds tired to me. That needs sound weak. His voice, I'm talking about. Yeah, now he's 79 years old. I'm talking about President Trump. Right. Did you notice his voices?

>> Tim Wildmon: He's 79. He, he keeps Tim. An almost impossible schedule. They say what he, he's up until 1:00 clock in the morning. He may sleep three, four hours a night. If you were 35, his schedule would wear you out.

>> Tim Wildmon: yeah, it, it's, well, think about. Yeah, you think about it. In just the last week, he and the first lady and their whole White House entourage went over to England. And had about what, two or three days over there.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right.

>> Tim Wildmon: With a, demanding schedule. Yes, I know that. They're served everything on, on a silver platter. That is true. You got first class flight on Air Force One. You got, you're staying at Buckingham Palace. so it, you know, everything's taken care of from that perspective. However, just to travel alone for anybody but a 79 year old man, and then you fly back to the States and then you go out to Arizona for a four to six hour. Well, and all day. Really. What Practically speaking, by the time the President gets there, I'm talking about the Charlie Kirk Memorial.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And then he speaks there and now he's speaking at the United Nations. there's no wonder your voice sounds weaker. because he no doubt is, physically tired.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's, he's got to be, he's got to be weary and worn out.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't remember the number. but he has done more interviews by a large portion compared to other Presidents, both Republicans and Democrats combined. Yeah, he does more interviews.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Does more speakings. Even if it's, even if it's the 15 minute one right before he, enters back into the White House.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Talking to the press right there. Yeah. Gaggles is what Fred calls.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right, gag. I will say this, though. I thought the same thing when I was hearing his voice, which still remains. Still could be true.

>> Tim Wildmon: But.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But we're also now watching him and he doesn't look as tired as his voice sounds, so.

>> Tim Wildmon: But I mean, yeah, he's,

>> Wesley Wildmon: But he's very. We've mentioned this before in the program. He is. It is hard to even compare him to anything else. Regardless of whether he's a president or.

>> Tim Wildmon: Not, he's a freak of nature.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Freak of nature.

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, I mean.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, no, no question about it.

>> Tim Wildmon: he's a category unto himself. Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. I mean, for a guy his age to be doing what he's doing here is just remarkable.

>> Chris Woodward: He's also, very bold, because he went on to say, and he said this before, but mind you, he's standing in front of the UN which has been telling everybody for my entire lifetime to curb their emissions because of climate change or global warming, whatever we need to call it today. this is an actual quote from the president today. Quote. It used to be called global cooling, then they said global warming, so now they just call it climate change. It's the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world. All of these predictions made by the UN and many others were wrong. I kid you not. Say.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, man.

>> Chris Woodward: People are saying we got to get rid of cows.

Tim Ferriss: President Trump talked about uncontrolled migration at UN Today

We're not going to get rid of cows. This is at the UN Today.

>> Wesley Wildmon: UN yes, yes. This is not a, this is not a red meat rally.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Chris Woodward: So we went from like, you know, polished President Trump to maga, a m. Few minutes later.

>> Tim Wildmon: This is not a chapter how to win friends and influence people. He's just laying down some facts, whether you like it or not.

>> Tim Wildmon: Also, I didn't. I want to watch the whole talk because, Well, it's not really a talk. It's a, it's a formal speech. Now with Trump, you know, you got a formal speech and then he goes off. He, he goes off, he goes off mess. He goes off script.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, that's the best parts usually. But no, he, he, he, he has, he has excellent speech writers and they, he, he does, a good job reading their speeches. But obviously the speechwriters, whichever president has, agrees with the policy, the, of, the, of the present. Now, couple three things Here. I didn't know. The, global war. See if you can get that sometime. Maybe. Okay. The global warming, global cooling, global change. I would love to hear that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: What? Steve, if you're listening to the show, I'm going to email you the link to that audio and you can roll on that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. But he also was there to talk about a couple things. I'm reading from cnn. right now they say he's talking about uncontrolled migration, creating problems for Western nations. what he's talking about is now, he's going to be called a racist for that. Right, right, he's going to be called a racist for that. But it wouldn't be the first time. Right. What he's talking about is Europe has allowed millions of people to migrate into their continent from the Middle East m. And from in particular Northern Africa because. Well, who knows all the reasons, right? But I know that a lot of people want to escape, and get into Europe for the economic opportunities it. It provides over, over, you know, the places they come from, often war torn and impoverished. I'm talking about the other. So, but, but, but you know, these people who migrate also bring a lot of their, culture with them and their religious beliefs. Islam for example. Islam. so they bring Islam into Europe and that brings a lot of the. That brings a lot of changes. Okay. So anyway, that's what he's talking about. And not to mention the strain on the, citizens of those European countries that have to pay for a lot of social services.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: That they provide. So.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And they've been very sympathetic to the, Muslim Sharia law, their way of. Their, Their way of, Well, a lot of them apply Sharia law. They've been very sympathetic toward that and they're reaping the consequences of it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. 10%. As I understand it, Ray of France is now mus. basically imported, from.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, you can, you can say demographics don't matter, Tim, but that's nuts. That's crazy. If you bring, if you bring Muslims in, and you bring them in at the rate by the million.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right?

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, Tim, how many millions do you have to get to get 10% in France?

>> Tim Wildmon: Not to mention the UK and Sweden and Switzerland and Germany and all those. Go ahead.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And it does make Italy, it does make a difference that they're not al. They're also not spread out. They're congregating in areas and they're taking over communities. And when you do that, we always say power there's you know, there's power in numbers. Well, when they're all concentrated in one area and then they, and then they expand from there. That's the reason in these European countries they have legit no go zones because the Muslims have taken over and they have their own way of.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Place a subculture there. Go ahead, Go ahead, Ray. You were going to say.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, look, France is a great historically great European, nation, center of culture, of the arts, Tim. Going back centuries.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And what you, what you do when you bring in people from a completely different culture and a completely different background, pretty soon you risk losing the very thing that made your nation great. And to Wesley's point, I think that's already happening in parts of France.

>> Tim Wildmon: See.

>> Tim Wildmon: And I don't know.

>> Tim Wildmon: How can you, how do you, how you reverse that?

>> Tim Wildmon: How do you reverse that?

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know that you. Can you combine that with the, zero birth rate among European natives. and it's. You're talking about 10, 20, 30 years from now. You're talking about a big shift in, in Europe. So. Yeah.

Ray: The motives of most immigrants who come to the US Are not bad

And you know what you pointed out, Ray? I think you use the word a. Wesley did. these Muslim, mostly Muslim immigrants from, Africa and from the Middle east to Europe, millions and millions and millions of them, have come in in the last 20 years. as I said, a lot of them to escape an impoverished place that they live. they, they come to escape, persecution themselves in the countries they leave. So their motives are not all. They're not bad necessarily, but nonetheless a neither. The motives of most of the people who come to the US Are not bad either. But that doesn't mean those said countries, the Europe, Europe, I know that's a continent, but the countries in Europe are the United States, for example. We can't, absorb the world's poor and needy. You, know you can't do that. you, you sink. It's like a, like a boat, you know.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Then your own citizens, rebel.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, the suffer. And then people rebel and get mad. That's part of the MAGA movement. People saying we can't just fly. Open our borders to me, whoever in the world wants to come here. And the Democrats said, oh yes we can. The world is welcome here. Remember Biden saying that we don't want borders? he didn't say it like that, but that's in essence what his policy did. You remember when Biden was elected and the switch was, made from, I said Biden was elected. Don't, don't get me started on that. But, but when Biden became president, how about that?

>> Chris Woodward: That's what Sandy said.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Took the oath of office.

>> Tim Wildmon: When he took the oath, remember, Remember, he did away all President Trump's policies regarding the border and just said, everybody, come on in, we'll take care of everybody in the world and the, boaters in America. Then after four years that said, whoa, just a minute, we're not, we can't do this, and this is insane. And So, but anyway, one other point about this, and then you can come in. here's, here's where the, like, the media, here's what they're going to do a lot in the liberal media.

Ray: President Trump warned European nations about accepting migrants from different backgrounds

What Ray said and what you said, Wesley, the people that are coming in, this is what I'm bringing it up, is President Trump spoke to this directly today at the United nations. Warning European, nations, Western nations about accepting millions and millions of people from, different culture and different background has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Different culture, different background. And the culture is related to their religion.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. It's, it's, it's intertwined. So, when you have, you know, Western Europe in particular, European countries are basically democracies, their representative governments, they, they generally subscribe to free speech and freedom of religion and freedom of movement and, and those kinds of things. The, where these folks are coming from in, Africa and in Middle east to Europe, they don't believe in those things. now you might say, well, they're escaping those places to come to more freedom and liberty and a better way of life. You know, what's interesting to me to Ray, is why not, why don't we say millions of Europeans immigrating into Africa, Right. Why are. To the Middle East? Why is this working in reverse? because, if you go back and look at it, the Judeo Christian heritage of Europe brings forth a better way of life, a more appealing way of life to the average person, whether they're religious or not, as opposed to living under Sharia law, like in, like in, a lot of Muslim countries. Go ahead.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, Tim, the Judeo Christian worldview produces prosperity, produces competition, produces beauty, produces order, produces democracy, produces freedom, produces a society that actually is beautiful, that people want to be a part of. Now this is a point Francis Schaeffer, I mean, the point I'm saying is this is kind of a Francis Schaeffer sort of point. And he always said in this life, on this side of the second coming. You're never going to see the Christian worldview perfectly played out in any nation. But, Tim, there is a difference between the culture of the United States, the culture of Europe, historically speaking, and what we see in the Middle East. A drastic difference. And it goes back to worldview. Where you start from, frankly, determines where you're going to end up.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

15% of 2 billion Muslims would classify themselves as radicalized

>> Wesley Wildmon: A couple of things I want to share. Read a book back in 2016, so it's been a while, but these are numbers that come. I'm going to give out some numbers in no particular order, that share the danger of Islam as it relates to those that are most radicalized, which makes up about 15% of 2 billion. So you got 2 billion people that profess to be, Muslims, and 15% of them would raise their hand and classify themselves as radicalized. 15%, right. Not sure what that number is. That's a lot, though. Here's a couple things. the book that I'm, reading from here is called, well Versed by Jim Garlo, and says this as of this writing, which In 2016, there were 28,348 deadly Islamic terrorist attacks since 9 11.

>> Tim Wildmon: In the world.

>> Wesley Wildmon: In the world.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, in the world.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Couple other things here. 450 out of the 452 suicide terrorists claim Islam. 450 out of 452 claim and said, I'm doing this on behalf of Islam. well, a few other things. At least 95% of ongoing wars have roots in Islam. and so just a couple things here. When you think about these types of things, it's one thing, I understand what you're saying, that I pull it completely. that there are people just like the southern border, just like in Islam, that are leaving countries to have.

>> Tim Wildmon: They want a better life, the majority of them.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That may be the case. But the what. What's left out in that conversation for the left is the 15% who do take Korea, that does take the Quran very seriously. And their version of discipleship is to eliminate the infidel and literally to take over from a government standpoint. And so that's something. Those are numbers, dating back to 2016.

President Trump refers to climate change or global warming as a con job

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. You said, Chris, that we have the clip now.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes, thanks to Steve Jordal. He, got us this audio of President Trump referring to climate change or global warming as a, quote, con job.

>> Donald Trump: You know, it used to be global cooling. If you look back years ago in the 1920s and the 1930s, they said global cooling will Kill the world. We have to do something. Then they said global warming will kill the world, but then it started getting cooler. So now they could just call it climate change, because that way they can't miss climate change. Because if you go to higher or lower, whatever happens is climate change. It's the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world, in my opinion. Climate change, no matter what happens, you're involved in that. No more global warming. No more global cooling. All of these predictions made by the United nations and many others, often for bad reasons, were wrong. They were made by stupid people that have cost their country's fortunes and given those same countries no chance for success. If you don't get away from this green scam, your country is going to fail. And I'm really good at predicting things. You know, they actually said during the campaign they had a hat, the best selling hat. Trump was right about everything. And I don't say that in a braggadocious way, but it's true. I've been right about everything.

>> Chris Woodward: That was not. That was not AI at all.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It was not AI.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: No.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That wouldn't know what that was.

>> Shailene Burlage: Was.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Was classic Trump. Yeah, but that was classic Trump.

60, 70% of American public agree with Stephen Miller on global warming

Now, I want to ask y' all to do me a favor and please, please do not spend the next 10 minutes on his last sentence.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay?

>> Wesley Wildmon: All right.

>> Tim Wildmon: What do you say?

>> Wesley Wildmon: We need. We need to hang out. If we're going to spend any more time on his UN speech. Let's hang out on the front half, which is him calling the UN to the mat and saying to them, while they're there in the same room with them, that whoever came up with this green, scam. Scam is y' all were dumb. If you. Countries of fortune.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Cost your country to fortune and y' all are dumb. that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, I couldn't agree with him more.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I know.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. I mean, and what he's saying right there, that's got. That's got Stephen Miller written all over it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Absolutely.

>> Tim Wildmon: Doesn't it? Stephen Miller's his number one policy guy, wouldn't you say, guys?

>> Wesley Wildmon: For sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: Guys. Brilliant. He spoke at the, Charlie Kirk Memorial. but listen, and I don't know what percentage. I would say the. Probably a majority or maybe m. You know, 60, 70% of the American public agree with him on this. And I would say this. We've, Global warming may or may not happen, but it's not because we in the US drive SUV's or ground beef. Are you ground. Yeah. Yeah. Are we right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I know. That's the first.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Because cows. The methane and it's. It's. Listen. And how come. It's just, you know, the burden seems to always be on the United States to have all these rules and regulations. We have. We have the cleanest environment in the world.

>> Chris Woodward: Amen. We do.

>> Tim Wildmon: In our. We already have rules and regulations having to do with pollution. Yeah, go ahead.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I've seen the list before. We're not even in the top 20. Is being a problematic.

>> Tim Wildmon: China. If you want to go talk to them.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I was going to mention them. They're in the top three for sure. And it is awful.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Not even. We're not even.

>> Tim Wildmon: They don't have an epa, Environmental Protection Agency over in India.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Or, you should see some of their shorelines, some of their ocean lines. It's awful.

>> Chris Woodward: They're the ones that supposedly are largely to blame for things like plastic in the ocean.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, 100%.

>> Chris Woodward: Because they just chunk it in there.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. The, the whole plastic straw movement in the US that pretty much hit a. It was a dud. The plastic straw movement. getting rid of it in the United. Or it was a California. California. Trying to get. Or they did get rid of plastic straws that didn't even. That one is minuscule compared to the plastic that's thrown in the ocean from Asia.

>> Chris Woodward: I think one of the reasons why they, like to sound the alarm over what they call climate change or global warming is because they like to get together at some resort once a year to talk about how it's a problem and they all can hide, you know, hobnob and rub elbows with.

>> Tim Wildmon: The messaging did change. It was called global warming.

>> Chris Woodward: Oh, yeah, you're right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: When Al Gore. He popularized this back in the 80s and the 90s. Al Gore did.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And they called it global warming. Remember that?

>> Chris Woodward: They did.

>> Tim Wildmon: And then they said they. I mean, these environmental. What Russ Rimball called them environmental wackos. Got in a room somewhere and go, guys, it's not warming. It's not the thing we said it was.

Trump is right to call out climate change skeptic Michael Mann

So you can't scare people with that. Yeah. We got to change it. What do we go with? I. I got an answer. Climate change. That way we. It's a. It's a. I win heads, I win tails. You lose.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And. And so they. He's right. Trump's right to call him out on this change that they. And I remember time magazine in 1970s said the coming ice age. You know, I remember that, cover.

>> Wesley Wildmon: On that magazine, Trump's not bragging that he's right about everything.

>> Tim Wildmon: Very humble fellow.

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American Family Radio hosts Shailene Burleigh on Today's Issues

Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Wesley, Chris and Ray, and of course we talk about current events and political, stuff and, and all that, and you know, what's happening in our country and in the world. we've been talking this morning about President Trump's speech this morning before the United Nations. But, you know, when you, when you get down to what our number one priority is here at American Family Radio, and that is telling people about God and, his son Jesus Christ, and so, and how that can change. The Lord will change your life if you will submit to him. So this morning we have a guest on, who's in studio with us whose life has been changed by Jesus Christ, and she's here to tell about it and also what she's doing, in the, pro life cause. And, she, shared her testimony with us briefly this morning in our staff devotion. Shailene Burleigh. Good morning. Shailene, good morning.

>> Shailene Burlage: Thank you for having me.

>> Tim Wildmon: So appreciate you being on with us.

Love Life Alabama is dedicated to ending abortion and the orphan crisis

Now, you were, you're here, your, your organization is called Love Life Alabama, right?

>> Shailene Burlage: Love Life.

>> Tim Wildmon: Love Life. But you're from Alabama, right?

>> Shailene Burlage: I'm the director of Love Life Alabama.

>> Tim Wildmon: The Love Life's a national.

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes, sir.

>> Tim Wildmon: But you, you, you're over the Alabama chapter.

>> Shailene Burlage: Exactly.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, tell me. I want to get into your story. But tell me, what the purpose of Love life. is it called Just love life?

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes, sir.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so Love Life, the Love Life organization. You're the Alabama chapter director. You're from Birmingham.

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes, sir.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. But tell us the purpose of love life.

>> Shailene Burlage: We unite and mobilize the church to create a culture of love and life that will end the abortion and the orphan crisis. We believe that the church is. The answ. Legislation is not going to change it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Legislation has its role, but it.

>> Shailene Burlage: But it's not.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but abortion still legal in many parts of America and most parts of America. So you have to reach the young.

>> Shailene Burlage: Lady, facing unplanned pregnancy.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so that's. That's the purpose of the organization.

You were homeless, addicted to drugs, and had four abortions

Now, take us back with you. You shared your testimony. You. You lived in, Indiana. Indiana and Indianapolis, right?

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes, sir.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, tell us your story a little bit.

>> Shailene Burlage: Well, in 2006, I was homeless, addicted to drugs in my 30s, and, had been out there for about a year and a half and said, living.

>> Tim Wildmon: On the streets of Indianapolis.

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes. My main focus, 100%, was on drugs.

>> Tim Wildmon: you mean you just live for the next fix?

>> Shailene Burlage: That was it. There was nothing else.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wow. anything you want to tell us about what led to that? I, don't want to.

>> Shailene Burlage: Well, sure. I mean, you know, I'm an open testimony. My story I share. I had. Had, I became pregnant when I was 15, and I, had an abortion. And that just started a spiral effect. Then I had my second one when I was 18.

>> Tim Wildmon: Second abortion. How many abortions did you have?

>> Shailene Burlage: I ended up having four.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Shailene Burlage: Which is why I ended up homeless.

You were addicted to drugs and living on the streets of Indianapolis

>> Tim Wildmon: This is why you want to talk about how God radically changes somebody's destiny? That's what happened to you. Okay, so you're drug addicted, living on the streets of Indianapolis as a woman. That's dangerous, by the way. you know that. I mean, you live that. Very dangerous. But I guess when you're addicted to drugs, everything just sort of. It's a fog, right? right. So what happened to you? How did you get out of that? You told me this morning. You told the staff this morning. You went. You were living in a,

>> Shailene Burlage: Well, I wasn't living.

>> Tim Wildmon: You weren't living there. You're spending the night or sleeping at.

>> Shailene Burlage: A home apartment at a, housing authority complex. I was walking down the street, and I had a car out there. It was falling apart, around me. And the police got tired of seeing me roll around the neighborhood with my car and so we, as soon as the tags expired, they took my car. That night I'm, walking down the street and a van pulled up and hands me a flyer and says, sister, when you get sick and tired of being sick and tired, give us a call. Well, I knew that I was at a point without my car that things were going to drastically change.

>> Tim Wildmon: This is what year?

>> Shailene Burlage: In 2006.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Shailene Burlage: so I knew that things were going to drastically change without my car because people want rides and they, you know, pay in drugs if they want to ride. And so I had that to fall back on. But without that, things were going to drastically change. And that night I'm walking down the street and the van pulls up, hands me the flyer and says that I took the flyer and kept it moving. Went into an abandoned apartment at the housing authority. Nobody was there, nobody came in all night. And I laid on this old dirty mattress on the floor of that apartment, pulled out that flyer and it said, if you have family problems, drug problems, alcohol problems, then first call on Jesus. I was in my 30s, I hadn't done that. And I just said, lord, help me with an open heart. And he removed the addiction from me immediately. I got sleep that night. Nobody showed up to that drug house that night. The next morning I woke up and the next line on that flyer said, then call us. we have a free Christian women's home.

>> Tim Wildmon: Is that what you did?

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes, sir, I did. They were in Ohio.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so you went there for a.

>> Shailene Burlage: Year and a half?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, that was my, I was going to be one of my questions. How far was it from the location that you were, you said in, Indianapolis.

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes, sir.

>> Wesley Wildmon: To where you, where the house was that they were willing to, help you.

>> Shailene Burlage: Three hours. Oh, wow. They were just there to hand out flyers. Oh, that's all they were doing? You just driving in drug addicted areas.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, so you gave your life to Jesus Christ? I did.

>> Shailene Burlage: I gave my life to Jesus Christ. But then I said, Lord, you can't forgive me. I took the lives of my children. And God audibly said to me, daughter, my son Jesus Christ died for you. So I knew I was forgiven.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so what happened then?

>> Shailene Burlage: Well, I spent a year and a half in that women's home in a bubble, you know, just learning about Jesus on fire for Christ. Went to church for three hours on Sundays and you get a bunch of ex drug addicts living for Jesus. And we were excited. I mean, we ran around, literally, new.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Life, not just eternally new life, but new life on earth. As, John 10:10 said, he didn't come to just give us life, eternally, but to give us life more abundantly here on this side of heaven. And that's what you were experiencing?

>> Shailene Burlage: Oh, yes. We were so excited. I mean, we ran around with streamers, we worshiped. That's all we knew is excitement. We were so glad that we weren't doing.

Shailene is the founder of Love Life, an anti-abortion organization

>> Tim Wildmon: You saw the darkest side of the world, and then God, Jesus Christ brought the light of the world into your heart and life. So, you're, you're in Ohio. You go through this program for a year and a half. You live there, you're off drugs, you're giving your life to Lord. You're looking for a new start. How do you end up from, Indiana to Ohio to Birmingham?

>> Shailene Burlage: Well, I'm from Birmingham. my mom has been in Birmingham.

>> Tim Wildmon: My family lived here or what?

>> Shailene Burlage: Well, I moved here when I was 10. Or I'm in Mississippi. I moved to Birmingham when I was 10 and was just kind of all over the place. But my mom has been there 40 years, so I went back home. I call that my home.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Your, love, you have the badge on, says Love Life. We're talking to Shailene. Burlage. I get that, right? Burlage.

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Shailene Burlage: Burlage.

>> Tim Wildmon: Burlage. Okay, so I didn't get it right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, you got a northern version and you got a southern version.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right?

>> Shailene Burlage: And then you have the, the French version. Verlage.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, we're missing Ed for, We're missing Ed for this one.

>> Tim Wildmon: You're like me. People go, is it Wilman? I go, yeah, whatever you want to call me. Yes.

>> Shailene Burlage: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm here. So how did you get involved with Love Life? Which is why you're here today, really, to talk to us?

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes. So in, 2016, I went through an, abortion recovery, Bible study. 2006, I was forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ. My story wasn't anybody's business. I would never talk about it. But then in 2016, I went through a 12 week Bible study. And God's word healed my heart. So then the door was open for me to unrest, ready to share my testimony. Because I don't want other men and women to go through what I went through. Mommy, you don't have to do this. So, I started going out to the abortion clinics to just say, hey, you don't have to do this. Well, love, life was already doing that, and they still do that in the other cities where abortion is illegal at the Clinics. And so what do you mean?

>> Tim Wildmon: You go love. Like, when we say Love Life, folks, we're talking about the name of the organization Shailene represents. How can people find out more about love life?

>> Shailene Burlage: Lovelife.org okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Lovelife.org L I F E lovelife.org okay, back to the. So. So you go out to the, abortion clinics. Abortion clinics.

>> Shailene Burlage: To just stand in the parking lot, you know, at the entrance.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Shailene Burlage: And, hey, mom, you know that she has an appointment scheduled? An appointment scheduled to life of her baby.

>> Tim Wildmon: Do you yell at them or what do you. How do you do that exactly?

>> Shailene Burlage: No, we. We don't yell at them. We want to show them the love of Christ. But before I was with Love Life, my ministry partner, of a different ministry, started doing that. That was our heart.

>> Tim Wildmon: You were just doing this on your own before you joined Love Life.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It sounds to me like you were so convicted, right? And you. You had seen two totally different sides of the coin, that you wanted to prevent others from going down the same path that you did.

>> Shailene Burlage: Right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Because you love them.

>> Shailene Burlage: Right. It's the number one cause of death five years in a row over heart disease, Cancer. Yes. Abortion. There's been more aborted babies. 30% of our country is missing well in the world.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Do you have a Ray. Do you have a question for Shailene?

Shailene was raised in Kansas City. Raised in Kansas

>> Tim Wildmon: I do. Shailene, thank you, first of all, for sharing your story.

>> Tim Wildmon: Kansas City, she's looking around for you in the studio. Yeah, she's like voices. Yeah, she. She's not familiar with radio yet. Bless your heart, Shailene. It's okay. Raised in Kansas City. He's not the wizard of Oz. Okay. But he is in Kansas.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. I'm not. I'm not a ghost. I'm not floating around in the air.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, now you got it. Now I got it.

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes, sir. I'm on target.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, go ahead. Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: First of all, thank you for sharing your testimony. Second, thanks for the wonderful work Love Life is doing.

The local church can make a difference in helping women facing crisis pregnancies

You made an interesting statement. Fascinating, really. You said passing law, as important as that may be, is not really the answer on a personal level. You said the local church can make a difference for all the pastors out there and Christian leaders out there listening to you tell us how the local church can make a difference in helping women in these crisis pregnancies.

>> Shailene Burlage: When I meet with pastors, I ask them, someone facing unplanned pregnancy, comes to you and says, hey, I need help. Do you have a plan? And they all smile real Big. And yes, our plan is to send them to save a life. And that's a great plan. We want, the pregnancy centers are needed.

>> Tim Wildmon: The crisis pregnancy center.

>> Shailene Burlage: Exactly. And then my next question is, but how are you getting them back into your church for discipleship? And that's where they hang their head low and say, we're not. How can we? And so we help equip the church to go out into the community. We asked the pastor to become a house of refuge. And what he does is he reads a house of refuge statement from the pulpit that clearly states where their church stands.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Amen.

>> Shailene Burlage: for a pastor to just say, we're pro life and my church is pro life, that does nothing. It doesn't help anybody. They. There's no plan there.

>> Tim Wildmon: But this is a good thing. But it's not. It is a good thing. Feet to action. Right?

>> Shailene Burlage: Exactly. And so this house of refuge statement that we have, pastors to become a house of refuge, have to agree to read this a couple times a year. And this just clearly states, hey, our church is a safe place for men and women facing unplanned, pregnancy. We will not talk about them, gossip about them, or hurt them. Not. Not this church. And here's what we will do. We will connect them to the pregnancy center, to resources, and then we'll come alongside them and. And love on them. And Love Life goes in and trains people who want to be a mentor, people who want to lead abortion recovery classes. That is key. Abortion recovery for men and women who have faced the trauma of abortion is key. We have abortion recovery classes from. For men. My mom went through abortion recovery because she lost her grandchildren. She was devastated. and so she went through abortion recovery for those who suffer the trauma of someone else's abortion, which is just about everybody. Do any of you know someone who's had an abortion?

>> Tim Wildmon: Most people do.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So you had four, and then, so your mom learned of that, and then she goes, well, I'm missing four grandchildren.

>> Shailene Burlage: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And she shoved. She suffered because of that. Right. So she went, so what is the website again for love life? Love life.org lovelife.org ah, listen, thanks for driving over. Thank you for having me being with us here in Tupelo, two hours from Birmingham.

The abortion pill is available to be mailed at your door up to 12 weeks

Go ahead.

>> Shailene Burlage: Well, there's one thing I want to say you might be thinking, the listeners might be thinking, well, abortion is illegal in Alabama. Abortion is illegal in Mississippi. So why is that, an issue? Well, I don't know if anyone's heard of the abortion Pill. The abortion pill is available to be mailed at your door here in Mississippi and in Alabama up to 12 weeks of pregnancy. And so that accounts for at least 63% of all abortions now across the nation. And women are not seeing doctors if they're more than 12 weeks pregnant. They just think in their own mind well I'll just take extra. It's causing lots of trauma, lots of damage. The women are at home. The abortion clinic is at home now in their bathroom and they see they don't know what to do.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Shailene Burlage: It's horrible. And so there is something called the abortion pill reversal. Abortion pill is a two step process. After they take the first set of of pills within 48 hours they can order the abortion pill reversal. Go toabortion pill reversal.com and you can get the averse reverse pill talking.

The abortion pill causes abortion up to 12 weeks really of um. Do you know

>> Tim Wildmon: About a woman who takes find out she's pregnant. What is that? Is abortion pill. When does that have to be taken to take effect like up to six weeks or something. Do you know?

>> Shailene Burlage: Well the abortion pill will cause an abortion up to 12 weeks really of

>> Tim Wildmon: But then that listen we're talking about things that are horrible to talk about but so you need to be talked about. Yeah but I want people to understand in case children are listening right now because the question I'm about to ask people are going to say duh. I guess some people but so you're saying that women a lot of women who take this they have to see the unborn baby.

>> Shailene Burlage: Well I mean right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean that's it has to be extracted.

>> Shailene Burlage: It comes out.

>> Tim Wildmon: It comes out usually. So that causes trauma alone you're saying A lot of times but that go ahead.

>> Shailene Burlage: Much worse than what I experience when.

>> Tim Wildmon: You went to the abortion clinic. Okay so they're they're alone at Ah but wow.

>> Wesley Wildmon: The trauma from the portion abortion pill and what I've read about the potential side effects too are even even worse from the trauma and the potential side effects than it was that is the pill than it was going to the clinic.

>> Shailene Burlage: Right. There's suicide rate is up.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yep.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah because the what what the pro abortion or what they call themselves pro choice side never wants to talk about is the spiritual dynamics never here are the site it also related to that psychological and emotional dynamic here because it is unnatural to kill your baby.

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes. Okay so I waited 30 years to reach out for help or to even say that I had an abortion. These women are reaching out immediately and this is a 30 foot truck what.

>> Tim Wildmon: You'Re Showing me people can't see this at home, but go ahead.

>> Shailene Burlage: There's a 30 foot truck, LED truck that's driving through our colleges in Alabama. I know this is uab and it. The truck says abortion pills delivered to your door with the QR code where abortion is illegal. This is what's going through our college campuses. So I am now doing a reach her first campaign at our colleges to reach her first because all they're hearing is abortion pill.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So we're talking to Shailene, last name Shay. This is where I say your first name and you say your last name. You ready? Okay. We're talking to Shailene Burlage. That's what I'm talking about here. That doesn't.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You got a great sense right there. You're handling really well.

>> Tim Wildmon: right. Tim doesn't have a chance to mispronounce Burl age.

>> Shailene Burlage: Right, right, right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So give us. So how can people, contact you if you want to give that in your office? there in Alabama, Love Life is the organization that. It's a national organization, but Shailene is the, state. Is the representative in the state of Alabama for Love Life. How they can they get in touch with you, Shailene?

>> Shailene Burlage: S H A Y L E n [email protected] okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Give that email address again.

>> Shailene Burlage: S h a y L E N e@ah, lovelife.org okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Why do you do speaking? You come to churches or go to town? Okay.

>> Shailene Burlage: That's part of our ministry. Yes. Is to speak at churches. And, and we're able to talk from the pulpit. They're letting us. Us. They're letting us in at the pulpit because then the next step is for the congregation to go out and do Evangelism 101 and say, hey, if you know anybody faced an unplanned pregnancy, our church is a house of refuge. We know what to do. We equip the church and train the church, the people in the church. It's not another thing for the pastor to do other than read the statement. Then we do everything else within the congregation to equip them because they need to be welcomed in men and women, the laws, the as they are.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. All right, Shailene, thanks so much for being on with us.

Pastor Joseph Parker welcomes you to our studios and offices

Welcome, to, our studios and offices here. And we. I know you got some other things to do here today. Pastor Joseph Parker.

>> Shailene Burlage: Yes, sir. And I did, the stand with Jeff.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Jeff Shambley. Okay. Thank you very much.

>> Shailene Burlage: Thank you.

Ray: Shalene is right about pastors making a clear statement on abortion

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to Today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Wesley, Chris and Ray. Ray, anything else you want to say about this topic before we move back to some other stories?

>> Tim Wildmon: First of all, love what she said about pastors making a clear statement. One of our problems today is we have too many pastors, including pro life pastors, who just don't want to speak out, they don't want to take a stand. and so church members are confused and women in crisis can't get the help they need. And so God bless Shalene and God bless love life. and Lord, give us an army of pastors who will speak up. Because I think she's right about her central point is exactly right. We here talk a lot about the Supreme Court and abortion and pro life and we're going to keep on talking about that. But it's in the local church where real life change takes place and I think we've got to have pastors who lead the way. So God bless her for that tremendous ministry.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Amen.

Jimmy Kimmel made insensitive remarks about Charlie Kirk after he was assassinated

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. are you guys following this Jimmy Kimmel story?

>> Chris Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. so I never watched Jimmy Kimmel and I'm going to do a survey here. I don't see any four. I don't see, oh, four here, zero for four. And I'm looking at our listening audience across radio land out there and I'm not seeing your hands raised. So hardly anybody, if, if anybody at all ever watches Jimmy Kimmel, that. Listen to us. Okay, but, but most people know who he is, because he's had a late night talk show on ABC for how long?

>> Chris Woodward: Several years.

>> Tim Wildmon: 10 to 20 years, something like that.

>> Chris Woodward: Probably 10.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's been on the air for a long time on the ABC television network.

>> Chris Woodward: He started in 2003. You were right. 20 years.

>> Tim Wildmon: 20. Over 20 years. Jimmy Kimmel. So he's been in the news lately because of course he's been a Trump hater for a long time. Right, okay. He's just obsessed with, spewing, disparaging remarks about President Trump night after night after night after night. It's late, night talk shows have become very, very political. It's not like the old Johnny Carson or, you know, Jay Leno days when it was, if they did talk about politics, the, the ribbing was equally distributed among Republicans and Democrats and it was generally good natured. But now it's just mean spirited and it's so anyway, Jimmy Kimmel after Charlie Kirk's assassination, Jimmy Kimmel, had a. Went on his talk show on the ABC television network owned by Disney and he made some remarks that the killer of Charlie Kirk was a maga.

>> Chris Woodward: Correct.

>> Tim Wildmon: representative. So he was saying you were. Charlie Kirk was killed by his own kin.

>> Chris Woodward: While people laughed.

>> Tim Wildmon: Generous Ken. And people laughed. So they're laughing about an asset. First of all, you're, you're making a joke about something that's just happened. An assassination of a, of a man and a father and a speaker and a conservative leader. And so you're making.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Even in comedy we got to know better than that. Both sides, either way, you just got to wait. You got to wait.

>> Tim Wildmon: Plus, he's factually.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It's a lot.

>> Chris Woodward: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's factually incorrect. The guy who killed, assassinated Charlie, Charlie Kirk was motivated by his hatred for Charlie Kirk and conservatives. Right. Have I got that right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. And he's in hit the engravings on his, the bullets that he took time to write on his bullets.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: They had a fascist Marxist and trans. And yeah, that was coming at.

>> Tim Wildmon: The killer was coming at this from a leftist ideology.

>> Wesley Wildmon: 100.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Jimmy Kimmel acts like it's some kind of guy wearing a red MAGA hat. So it was just factually untrue. And he said this to his audience and also making fun, in a, in a, in a very serious moment. Totally, completely inappropriate. Well, abc Candy. Disney, ABC canned him, fired him, immediately suspended his show. Which is. I can't think of that ever happening because of his remarks.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And so he, he. Now this gets a little complicated. Disney owns abc.

>> Chris Woodward: Correct.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. ABC has affiliates. Right. Okay. Their affiliates, are owned by companies themselves.

>> Shailene Burlage: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So you have something called Sinclair.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And Nextar and Nextar. They're companies that own like 30, 40 ABC television stations and they have a contractual agreement with Disney.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well those those companies that own like 70 or 80 ABC affiliates said we're not taking Jimmy Kimmel back. because we're not and we don't want to. And we, for whatever reason it was a business decision. So that's been in the news. There's been a huge backlash.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So then I missed this. So he got, he did get offered to come back.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, Disney offered to bring him back, but these ABC affiliate owners said no way, no way. We'll be back with more in five minutes. Stay with us.

>> Shailene Burlage: The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.

Tim, Wesley and Ray talk with Chris on top news headlines of the day including President Trump speaking at the U.N. Also, Shaylene Burlage joins the program to discuss the ministry Love Life.