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Fred Jackson: Wesley Wildman is not big into pranks

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning everybody and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Today is Wednesday and you know what day it is?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't know. Some people don't.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wednesday, April 1, 2026. Have you got an April Fool's joke?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm not big into pranks.

>> Tim Wildmon: Had you had one life split on you?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Not, no, I just, I'm not good. I'm not very creative person.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm good with sarcasm. But pranks, not, not pranks, not so much.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley Wildmon joining us, Fred Jackson. Good morning Fred. Good morning to you and Krish Woodward.

>> Chris Woodward: I have a Bible verse, to share.

>> Fred Jackson: Okay.

>> Chris Woodward: On this day, no joke, no joke, no joke. the fool hath said in his heart there is no God. There you go.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, that's right. So that is true.

>> Chris Woodward: Amen.

>> Tim Wildmon: Where's the Bible? Where's the Bible? Say that.

>> Chris Woodward: That would be Psalm 14, verse 1.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. The fool says in his heart there is no God. Yes, go ahead.

>> Wesley Wildmon: speaking about April fools, I had forgotten that it was April Fools. And so when I woke up this morning, yeah. I went to my little. I got a, an app that follows a variety of different news outlets and sports outlets and you know, hunting outlets and all that. So I'm just scrolling, seeing what's new for the day.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And the first thing at the top of my feed was, Brown o' Connor has officially been fired halfway through the season. Brown o' Connor is a Mississippi State baseball coach. For those who don't know, I, I follow Mississippi State baseball. They're having a great season.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And it said he was fired.

>> Tim Wildmon: I was like, what?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Like I thought maybe some, something outside of bay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Surely not as it was April 1st. Well, you had forgotten April 1st. But you got fooled.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I got fooled.

>> Tim Wildmon: You ever got fooled? Big time on April 1st?

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, from time to time. You Know when I'm first waking up and somebody will say, hey, there's where I grew up in Canada. The harbor's full of ice this morning.

>> Tim Wildmon: What?

>> Wesley Wildmon: What?

>> Tim Wildmon: It can't be in summer.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Krish, you ever fallen victim?

>> Chris Woodward: I'm pretty sure I have. And actually, I decided not to do any more April Fool Strokes Several years ago, not long after I started here on April 1st, on my Facebook page, I put together something and I had a breaking news gif or gif, however it's called. And I talked about how Tupelo was getting all these restaurants and stores that everybody always wants Tupelo to get, but never. And people fell for it. And I felt really bad.

>> Tim Wildmon: Did, you feel bad?

>> Chris Woodward: I did, because, several people, like, wrote me asking for more information. And so I felt like I, I did a new service.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm like, Wesley, I'm terrible at pranks. I don't, I don't even like to do pranks or April Fool.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Start feeling bad for the person.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Well, I always have a fear that I'm going to do a prank on somebody and it's going to cause a panic and momentary panic among that person and, and they're going to have a heart attack and die. And, then what do you tell their loved ones?

>> Wesley Wildmon: It was just a joke.

>> Tim Wildmon: It was just a joke. you didn't know he had a heart condition? No, I didn't know he had heart condition. I'm. I'm sorry. but, yeah, April 1st, it is.

Fred Pennington: Atheists say there is no God. Where is that from?

But back to your Bible verse there. Quote that one more time. Where is that from?

>> Chris Woodward: That is from Psalm 14, verse 1. The fool hath said in his heart there is no God.

>> Tim Wildmon: How can you look around, Fred, at, the world and nature and just the. All the design that's put into that God put into our, making our bodies, for example, and say there is no God.

>> Fred Jackson: Oh, absolutely. My academic background is biology. and, part of that is studying the cell structure. And what's wonderful about God's creation has you bore down into a cell. It gets more complicated all the time. And how anybody can say there was not a designer to that is foolishness. When you look at the complexity of the human body, you know, if you study how your eye works, it's absolutely amazing what goes on there. I often say to people, pick, up a pen on the desk there and then explain to them everything that goes on from your eye to your brain to the muscles, to the construction of the muscles, to the release of the muscles. The enzymes that are involved, and it all takes place in two seconds. It's incredible. There's no machine that can do that.

>> Tim Wildmon: That just happened by happenstance, Fred, over millions of years. One thing I've never heard, I've never heard answered from the evolutionist, the Darwinian evolutionist, that is that, you know, you have the Big Bang. I guess they would call it the Big Bang theory. I don't know if that's exactly synonymous with Darwinian evolution, but evolution is that, you know, everything came into being as it is today by millions of years of evolving, of evolution evolving. But, I've never heard them answer this. And I don't know if I came up with this, but I never heard it before, before I came up with this. So credit me. Okay, that is this. Okay, let's take. Forget humans for a minute. Let's take animals, for example. All right, well, they say, well, this animal evolved. And you know. Okay, so in order to have a, ah, species, you have to have reproduction.

>> Tim Wildmon: True.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, we're all here as a, as a result of reproduction, human reproduction. so we all know how that happens, right?

>> Fred Jackson: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: No need to go into that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

>> Chris Woodward: I don't think we can.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, birds and bees and all that stuff. So anyway, the point is, if you have to, if you have to reproduce, you have to have a male and a female, despite what some people in our modern world say, got to have a male and a female. So you're telling me then that every species or, every animal, be it a dog, a lion, a giraffe, an ant, whatever, evolved as a part of the Big bang with the male and the female side by side. You see what I'm saying? So just coincidentally, yeah, they all evolved starting back there, side by side. the possibility that happened is zero. Okay, so then why is it so hard to believe that God Almighty created the heavens and the earth and the animal kingdom like he talked about in the Bible, and the human race? Why is that? Why is that, M. By scientists considered mythological? Fred. Yeah. Any, any.

>> Fred Jackson: Well, I think the, the, the bigger problem.

>> Tim Wildmon: Take Genesis out of it. Yeah, just a minute. Even though we believe in, the count in Genesis. Take that out of it. Why do they, why can't they believe in some supernatural being, being responsible for the design of the universe?

>> Fred Jackson: I think a couple of reasons. number one, I would say pride. because I can't understand a God who could simply say and create something. Because I can't understand it, ah, therefore it's not true because I can't understand it.

>> Tim Wildmon: But they can't prove it's not true. They can't prove it's not true.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, they can, but they tried to rationalize a God, put God in a box.

>> Chris Woodward: So.

>> Fred Jackson: And you cannot do that.

>> Tim Wildmon: But aren't most of them atheists? The Darwinian?

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, but I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Well, listen, I can, I can understand agnosticism in the sense that somebody would say agnostic. Agnostics and atheists are different. Agnostics would say, I don't know whether there's a God or not. I don't know whether there's a supernatural force behind the universe or not. I'm open to, discovery, I'm open to people teaching me. I'm open to education only on the matter m. but to say you're an atheist, where you would have to buy into the idea that all this we've just talked about is just here by happenstance, by chance, by evolution, by some big bang.

>> Wesley Wildmon: The big bang, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: that's illogical. That's. And they're the ones who claim to be logical and scientific.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So can, can we prove everything, that you know, as Bible believing Christians, we can't prove everything. but it, you have to. If you're going to use reason and logic, you have to say, the human body and its design. It's. If there's a design, if it's designed and you can't look at it and say that it isn't, then something happened back, way in time that came from a designer.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, and also too, when I've been to the museum in Washington D.C. i can't remember the name of it. I think it was a national, had to do with animals.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's natural history.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Natural history.

Chris: Why aren't we observing evolution today of some kind

I've been to that one and I've

>> Tim Wildmon: also been to Smithsonian Museum for Natural History.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I've been to that one and I've also been to the Creation Museum with Ken Ham. Obviously two totally different world views, but having seen both, I don't understand how they can. How when they describe when they. At the Natural Museum of Natural Science History, I'm looking at their timeline of how apes evolved into people. And you're walking around, well, how come that's not still true today? How come apes are not still evolving into people? You know what I mean? And they don't answer that. And if you take that worldview.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, no, I Know, why isn't there. Why aren't we observing evolution today of some kind?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right, exactly.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, so anyway, so back to the Bible verse that we're using. To the Bible verse again, Chris.

>> Chris Woodward: the fool hath said in his heart there is no God. Psalm 14:1.

President Trump to address the nation tonight on the war in Iran

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, you're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. What's your first story?

>> Chris Woodward: Well, it's no April Fool's joke. President Trump is going to address the nation tonight on the war in Iran. this is a televised address that is supposed to begin at 8pm Central. And again, we think he's going to address, something with Iran, perhaps, announce a timetable and celebrate the, objectives that he says the US and Israel really have met there in, striking Iran for the past few weeks. I've got a ton of sound here that we could play, but I think perhaps the best clip to really get an idea of where the Trump administration is today and how it views, its campaign thus far in Iran is a piece of audio here from Secretary Marco Rubio, who says basically almost all of our goals in Iran have been met or will soon be. Clip 6.

>> Tim Wildmon: We are going to destroy their air force. We have largely done that. We were going to destroy their navy, which we have largely achieved that. We were going to destroy a significant percentage of their missile launchers. We are well on our way to achieving that. And we were going to wipe out their defense industrial base, meaning the factories that make the drones and the missiles. We are well on our way. We are on or ahead of schedule on each of those four objectives. And we can see the finish line. It's not today, it's not tomorrow, but it is coming. Well, let's see. Okay, that's, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, talking about the war in Iran. President Trump. I don't have this audio, but I've got, I got an, saw, an article earlier this morning. This is from the Washington Post. President Trump said, ah, Wednesday, that that's today, that Iran has begged the US For a ceasefire. But he won't. Trump won't agree to stop bombing the regime. quote, back to the Stone Ages in quote, until the. He opened, until it opens the Strait of Hormuz. quote, is quoting President Trump. Iran's new regime President, much less radicalized and far more intelligent than his predecessors, has just asked the United States of America for a ceasefire. Ceasefire in all caps. Trump posted on True Social. We will consider. This is Trump again when. We will consider when the Hormuz Strait is open, free and clear until we will consider these ceasefires. What he's saying, when the Hormuz, strait is open, free and clear, until then, we are blasting Iran into oblivion. Or as they say, back to the Stone Ages. Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. He threatened Fred. I'm not clear on. One day we're going to open up the Strait of Hormuz, the next day it's not our problem. I don't know what to believe anymore.

>> Fred Jackson: Well, first of all, I find it rather interesting, as to what Marco Rubio did not say. He defined success at four different points. Destroying their air force, destroying their navy, missile launchers, et cetera. I forget what number four was. What he didn't say was regime. Ah, change. All right, that is a demand of Israel because your leadership determines where your country is going.

>> Fred Jackson: And the United States is not talking about regime change anymore, of getting rid of the Islamic regime.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think it's possible.

>> Fred Jackson: No, Israel wants that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, they want it, but it's not possible, I don't think, just from bombs from the air.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes, right, yeah.

Fred Cannon: President Trump gives mixed messages on Iran over last couple weeks

the second part, and you kind of just alluded to it 24 hours ago, President Trump was saying, who controls the Strait of Hormuz? That's not a priority. Now, it sounds like, in truth, social. This morning he's saying we're going to continue this war, even though they didn't call it a war until there is safe passage in the straighter Hormuz. Now, the Wall Street Journal is reporting this morning that, the United Arab Emirates is willing to take on an offensive role. In other words, join Israel, join the United States in basically attacking Iran. I'm assuming there are talks in the background that they want to give these Persian Gulf, states, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, ah, United Arab Emirates, they. And Qatar. They want to hand over control or attempt at control of the Strait of Hormuz to those countries because those countries benefit the most. President Trump in the last couple of days has said straight to Hormuz. We don't get much out of oil and gas out of that area anyway, so why are we worried about it? That's somebody else's problem.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but Trump said something else this morning. I know, I mean, very. He gives very confusing messages.

>> Fred Jackson: He does.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think that's he needs to leave it to Marco Rubio and go golf.

>> Chris Woodward: That's the purpose of the Secretary of State.

>> Tim Wildmon: He. Trump. Listen, folks, I mean, as I said, I'M generally overall very supportive of President Trump. And I know how he operates. And you got to take how he, you know, he works things. But this morning he says he truth social Iran's new regime president. Well, who's that? And he says much less radicalized and far more intelligent than his predecessors has just asked the United States of America for a cease fire. Well, that's, that's, a game changer. Yeah, right there, if it's true. Well then why do you say. Why did you just say that? you're, you're a MAGA guy. Why you're a Trump guy. Why, why did you just say that?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, for the same. You use, you gave one illustration, but there's others where in this one minute we've, you get reports that we have decimated and just, we've, we've won. And the next, in the next minute you, you're hearing or the next day or day after that, they still have some, they still have 60% of their missiles, but they're, but they can't fire them. Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is I'm also, is seeing different reports. But before I go on about that,

>> Tim Wildmon: by the way, President Trump is addressing the Nation tonight at 8 o', clock. A formal speech that he has to stick to the message.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Which would be good for him.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And I think. Well, first of all, because we could go on the mixed messaging on both Trump and the media on what's going on in Iran over the last couple weeks. But on a positive note, it is good timing in all of this and I think it's much needed, especially for the conservative movement and MAGA movement, for him to do what he's going to do tonight and have a formal meeting where he's going to answer a lot of the questions that we all have that we're talking about right now.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Is this a press conference, Fred, or is this a.

>> Fred Jackson: It's being, described as an address, Oval Office address to the nation.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so that's the same as a White House press conference.

>> Fred Jackson: That's right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So, yeah, I'm guessing 20 minutes, 30 minutes.

>> Tim Wildmon: You may not take questions.

>> Fred Jackson: I think the big push right now, this is an election year. I think he's being told by Susie Wiles, his advisor, hey, listen, we got to do something. Oil prices, driving people crazy. We have to get out of this war and we have to come out saying, you know, we accomplish the goals. That's why I think what Marco Rubio said yesterday is so important. Marco Rubio was defining success of this mission. The President tonight could, could come out and say these four things. We've accomplished them. we've accomplished the goal. And it's time now to ease back.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, one other thing. Excuse me on this. Here's, Here's what, okay. President Trump said Wednesday that Iran has begged for us for a ceasefire. Okay. When I read that, okay. Then I hear Iran say, we don't know what he's talking about. Yeah. But we hadn't begged for squat.

President Trump will speak on foreign affairs tonight from the Oval Office

In fact, if they send their soldiers over here, we're gonna. We're gonna burn them alive. Okay, that doesn't sound like, you know what I'm saying, so you just go like, I don't know what, what's,

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's why I said that's true.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. I don't think President Trump's way. Approach of handling, war.

>> Wesley Wildmon: yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Foreign affairs fits his shoot from the hip personality, strength.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know what I'm saying?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. I mentioned the other day in one of our meetings here at the office on this issue and just said, out of all the things that Trump is really, really good at with his brashness, his, you notice cutting off, cutting people off or whatever. or just, you know, the fake news and everything that he's. That I really, really like about him does not work in this, on this area of the presidency.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: As far as being, listen, going to

>> Tim Wildmon: war with the political left in this country, you know, Trump's excellent at.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: At what he does and how he says.

>> Wesley Wildmon: He's got a lot of common sense, too. A lot of 80, 20 issues.

>> Tim Wildmon: Absolutely.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But now we're in affairs with being the president, you know, being the commander in chief.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We, we've been kind of like, go ahead, Chris.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Like, I really. I mean, let's all pray for the man to have wisdom and be clear and consistent here, because the last thing we need is for him to have a read my lips or mission accomplished moment. George Bush got hammered. H.W. bush got hammered over the read my lips moment, and rightly so. George W. Bush, his son, had the mission accomplice thing, during the early days of the Iraq war in Afghanistan. Obviously, the mission was not accomplished there. We were in Afghanistan for half my lifetime, and we have nothing to show for it. So whatever he announces tonight, he needs to be clear. And more importantly, they actually need to be stick to it. Because if we're still bombing somebody in Iran in July or September and gas prices are still where they are and food prices have not come down. The Democrats will run on that, and win back the House.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to today's issues. So tonight from the Oval Office, President Trump will speak and maybe he'll tell us who Iran's new regime president is.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I think, I think we're going to wrap this up in the next three, three weeks.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, probably so.

>> Chris Woodward: One other thing that's very interesting on this and, and bless the heart of whoever scheduled this, in addition to this, thing that the President's going to do tonight, the address, NASA at the same exact time is going to hold a news conference on the Artemis 2 launch. So you would think more people are going to be watching the leader of the free world than the NASA holding the first, moon launch in a long time. press conference. I don't know.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that was probably already scheduled and NASA may change that. That is a pretty interesting story about our, NASA astronauts going on their mission coming up. Launching, weather permits. They're going to launch. I was looking, I was reading this earlier. Going to launch, Wednesday seven between seven. Excuse me.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, seven and eight o' clock tonight.

>> Tim Wildmon: Tonight, yeah. Okay, so what's going to happen is the story says America's headed back to the moon for the first time in more than 50 years this week, if all goes well, at NASA Cape Canaveral. Man, I'd love to be down there watching that. but anyway. But first the four astronauts have to go to the dark side of the moon on a perilous 10 day voyage. Did you guys know this?

>> Fred Jackson: Oh, yeah, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Tell us about it, Fred.

>> Fred Jackson: Well, tonight when they launch, they're going to go around the Earth several times and at some point, they will vector off that orbit and gain more speed and head towards the moon. And then they're going to go 7,000 miles roughly beyond the moon, do a U turn and come back. And all of this is in preparation for the next mission, which they say is aimed at setting up a moon base.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, with the BUC EE's.

>> Tim Wildmon: That was a good one.

>> Chris Woodward: Beaver nuggets on the moon.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, for those who think a, BUC EE's is going on the moon, remember what day it is. Krish just punked you on April 1st.

>> Chris Woodward: It's not a Bucky's, it's a Dollar General.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, there'll be more than one Dollar General on the moon if we sell.

>> Chris Woodward: And the billboard saying call me now.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, Right. All right, we'll be back momentarily with more of today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Stay with us.

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Supreme Court hearing on President Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, if you visit the United States Supreme Court bill building and you go in the, chambers there, and the dossier, took me 20 years to learn how to pronounce that dossier. That is the person, who gives the lecture on the history of the, Supreme Court. They'll, they'll point out everything in the chambers and then they'll point it a seat, over on the side. And they say this is reserved for the President of the United States. But they never come to any, but they never, they never come to any Supreme Court hearing. but it's there if they ever want to use it. Well, guess what? Today President Donald Trump is the first one to go and utilize that space, that chair at the Supreme Court, with all nine justices present. I mean, this is a Supreme Court hearing on a big, important case and President Trump, wanted to highlight that. So he went down, went from 1600. Come, on y' all guys help me.

>> Chris Woodward: 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, Pennsylvania Avenue should know this.

>> Chris Woodward: I've, played m. I don't know the zip, though.

>> Tim Wildmon: I played Monopoly many times. Pennsylvania Avenue. So, he went down to the, to the Supreme Court and they're having hearing. Fred, what is this hearing about? What's going on here?

>> Fred Jackson: This, has to do with his executive order on birthright citizenship. And what President Trump is challenging in that order is that someone who enters this country illegally and has a child in this country, President Trump is saying they should not get citizenship. Now normally when a baby is born in this country, they automatically become a citizen. What President Trump, does not like is that thanks to Joe Biden, millions of illegal aliens have entered this country over the last three, four years. And President Trump is saying no, if they have a child after they come here, that child, because mom or dad or mom and dad are not American citizens, they entered this country illegally, therefore they should not, that baby should not be a citizen. to a, a more reduced extent. The case also apparently, deals with, let's say, what do they call that? Tourism?

>> Tim Wildmon: oh no, it's anchor babies.

>> Fred Jackson: Anchor babies. So China sends couples into the United States on vacation and they start having babies here. And those people become American citizens.

>> Tim Wildmon: So by, virtue of having a baby here.

>> Fred Jackson: Having a baby here.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: That is what's being argued at the Supreme Court today. And from what I've heard so far, and Rusty Pugh, our morning anchor, has been monitoring this too. He says this is, he thinks it's going to be a 7, 72 decision, 8, 1 decision, possibly, against the President on this. Because one of the questions that's come up already this morning over and over again. Are you sure that this wouldn't be retroactive? In other words, you may have, you know, going back years of Illyrians having babies here, that all of a sudden all of those people are now adults, would not be citizens anymore. Now the Solicitor General has said over and over again, no, we don't plan to have this retroactive. But he's run into a, a pretty stuffed wall of resistance on this issue of overturning what has been in place for a long time. Despite what m. Some people may say is a strong legal argument against birthright citizenship.

>> Chris Woodward: This, this could be a, big ruling, on the same level as like the supreme, court shooting down FDR's new deal stuff, back in the day.

>> Tim Wildmon: What do you think about this, Fred?

>> Fred Jackson: Birthright citizenship? I don't think. You know, I did a little research yesterday. Do you know European countries have a much tougher standard than we do.

>> Chris Woodward: And Australia on birthright?

>> Tim Wildmon: What about Canada?

>> Fred Jackson: Canada is pretty loosey goosey.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. But none of the 27 members of the European Union, for example, reading from our story that we have now in afn, grant automatic unconditional citizenship to children born on their territories to foreign citizens. Situation is similar across much of Asia, the Middle east and Africa. So they have a stronger standard than we do when it comes to birthright.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Having been able to travel to different parts of the world, it's absolutely amazing that we're the only country I've ever been to that has the problem of illegal entry. No one else has that. No other country on planet Earth has millions of people illegally coming into their country like we do, especially like we did during the Biden era.

>> Tim Wildmon: Illegally. They're flooding Europe, but Europe is accepting them.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right, yeah. Illegally, and destroying just so much of our economy, our way, our culture and everything, the problems that it's causing. And you're just, you don't see this anywhere else that that is happening. So it, for me it's like, you know, I don't. If you're here illegally, you don't, you shouldn't get anything. I don't even, even a baby born here that shouldn't get birthright just because you're born here. I don't think so, but yeah, I'm pretty sure.

The Supreme Court is considering whether a child born to illegal immigrants qualifies for citizenship

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, Jenna Ellis is on with us. Jenna. I didn't realize. So she made it. Jenna, good morning to you.

>> Jenna Ellis: I did. Are you shocked that I didn't know for sure? Surprise.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I didn't know for sure. what do you think about this, Birthright? What are they? What do they are. Do you. Do you. I'm springing this on you. You may not have studied this, but you probably have a general idea. What are they, what are they arguing about up there at the Supreme Court today?

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, I've actually extensively covered this on my show with a good friend of mine, Mike Donnelly, who's an attorney and he's done a lot of really in depth research in this. I'd encourage people to go back and listen to those programs. and he's going to be on next week as well. To break this down more. Basically what the Supreme Court is, ah, reviewing is the section of the 14th amendment, that speaks to this. And basically that's been interpreted since a case called ah Wong Kim Ark, which was back in the 1800s in the context of Chinese immigrants, whether or not a child who is born to illegal immigrant parents becomes a citizen. Now, Kim Wong Ark was a little bit different, in terms of the posture, we don't actually have any precedent specifically on this, particular issue. Which is actually surprising that for the last, you know, 150 years since the 14th amendment, we've just continued to assume that anyone who is just physically born here, regardless of the status of their parents and whether or not, they're here legally, whether they're on, visas, you know, all kinds of things that we just assume that being born on soil, and, there's a Latin term for that as well. of course, because everything in law is Latin, then that means that somehow you are under the jurisdiction of the United States. And so this is an incredibly important case. And while I agree with Fred, it sounds like from what I've been able to listen to in the arguments, the Supreme Court is very, very hesitant to, overturn, years and years of precedent. They really should, because even if they say, okay, starting today, President Trump's executive order can take effect, and we will no longer, issue citizenship to children who are born to illegals. You have to have, you know, here's all of the metrics and all of that, that would still at least prevent an ongoing problem with our Constitution. And so it's never that, well, this is a bridge too far. There's, you know, too much water under the bridge, whatever metaphor you want to use. And so we're just going to continue to allow this, even if the text and the plain meaning as it would have been in the 1860s during the Reconstruction era, when the 14th Amendment, originated, that that just means that we go along with it, even if it has been misinterpreted. So I'm hopeful maybe, just maybe, a majority of the Supreme Court, justices will recognize that this is a problem. But this actually also, Tim, raises an even bigger issue about the Supreme Court's oligarchy as a whole. Because why are we, in the context of this case, the Colorado's conversion therapy ban law, which, thankfully, the Supreme Court struck down yesterday, that was a win. why are we having all of the most important policy issues come down to nine unelected robe justices? That was never the intention of our constitutional republic. And we basically live under an oligarchy of nine unelected rogue justices, one of whom can't even define what a woman is. Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, why do you call them rogue, though? Robe.

>> Jenna Ellis: Duh.

>> Tim Wildmon: My bad.

>> Jenna Ellis: Okay, but some of them.

>> Chris Woodward: There's a big difference.

>> Jenna Ellis: I mean, well, you know, for some of them, not so much. Some of them are rogue, but, But this is why, instead of just arguing cases at the Supreme Court and instead of pleading with the justices, to do the right thing, we need to go back to the process as it was designed. And this is why I'm an advocate and I was talking this morning on my show about the Convention of States. and this is under Article 5 of the U.S. constitution. The way that we've amended our Constitution 27 times in our nation's history. We can go back and amend things. We can go back and clean up the 14th amendment if we want to. We can go back and repeal the 17th amendment that allowed popular election of senators. That's why we have the Lindsey Graham's of the world running around Disney World with Little Mermaid bubble wands when he should be in Congress. Right. I mean, these things that we've done to undermine from within the text of the Constitution through amendments, we can go back and change. And I think it is time that we should.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, now, so we can move on from this topic.

Jenna Edge: I'm torn on this anchor baby issue

But we're talking there. I'm torn on this. Edge usually here to play the liberal. And so I let people pile on him. I'm torn on this. I understand exactly what you're saying and what Wesley was talking about. And the anchor baby thing is an abuse of our system. It's an abuse of our system that is, women get pregnant, want to come to America because they know if they have the baby inside the, on the soil, the United States of America, that baby's a United States citizen. And then they can stay. Right. Because they are the mother of the baby. See how this works? It's an abuse of the system, but nonetheless it happens that way. On the other hand, here's the liberal, I don't know if you, you call it liberal, but, my heart's torn on this one. And that is, it's not the fault of the baby that their parents or most kids, just their mother did this. And so they are a baby, a child without a country. Right. Because we've said you're not American. so you need to go back to wherever your mom came from.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So.

>> Jenna Ellis: And why not?

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, because that's, like I said, I'm torn. I'm not saying you're wrong, Jenna. I mean, I don't know, but I, I'm, on a human level, I'm going like, that's not the fault the baby has, was born in America. And isn't it, isn't it true that, historically we've accepted all people who've been born on our soil as US Citizens? Is that right?

>> Jenna Ellis: Historically? Not, not completely, no. I mean, there have been, you know, prior to the 14th amendment, and even prior to the. The Wong Kim Art case, which was really the first impression of this issue, it wasn't just an immediate understanding. I mean, even in the context of the Chinese immigrants, who. Who and a lot of whom were here legally, it. There wasn't this basic assumption that just because you were physically present in the United States during the time of your birth, and that means that your, sovereignty and under the jurisdiction means the United States. I mean, it'd be the same thing as if I'm pregnant, I go over to France for vacation and happen to have to have a baby early. Does that mean that now my baby is somehow French just because I'm there?

>> Tim Wildmon: So. Yeah, I know what I agree with. I agree. I agree.

Westy says he has no sympathy for babies born to illegal immigrants

Anyway, so you're listening to today's issue. Westy, you are gathering your breath and thoughts, and you wanted to.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'll try not to interrupt you.

>> Tim Wildmon: You wanted to fire off something while I was talking there. So you just go right ahead.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Just fire away.

>> Tim Wildmon: Fire away.

>> Wesley Wildmon: well, where I'm at is that for 20 years, I have seen patriotism become an evil thing. People hate and people within our country, the liberal media hate our country. I've seen illegal immigrants and crime come across the borders by the millions. I've seen our country trying to be destroyed at every angle. So I couldn't. It has forced someone like me to be as far right as you can and still try to be within bounds. But I just don't have any tolerance or any patience. I don't have the same sympathy that you have for the baby that was born here because of where we've become in our country in the name of being sympathetic. Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: M. so, you know, that's a good Christian approach there. And I can just love your neighbor. I understand.

>> Jenna Ellis: But it is in all honesty, though. In all honesty, though, that that is the left's humanitarian argument, where they say, well, you know, you're supposed to be the pro life community. And what about, you know, you're just pro birth and now you just want to kick out all of these babies? It's. It's. There is also a time and place for a civil government and humanitarianism and pulling on your heartstrings and all those things.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, you have to have law and order. You have to have law and order, and you do any. And law and order sometimes is hard and tough, and it goes against your heartstrings. Go ahead.

>> Chris Woodward: I would add that Democrats are not pro immigrants. They're pro immigrants voting for them. That's why they don't.

>> Tim Wildmon: They don't go to borders. Right. Let me just tell you straight up,

>> Chris Woodward: they don't give a lick about these people. They care about these people voting them in. And it's been that way for my lifetime.

>> Tim Wildmon: Not a lick, huh?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I hadn't heard that one in a minute. Not a lick.

>> Tim Wildmon: What did you say? Not a lick.

>> Chris Woodward: They don't give a lick.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, don't give a lick.

>> Chris Woodward: They don't give a rip. I mean, I could keep going.

>> Fred Jackson: You know, I was mentioning these, European Union countries. They, follow. Most countries follow the principle of right of blood, with a child, citizenship based on the citizenship of their parents, no matter where they are born. In other words, you have an illegal immigrant from Honduras. I'm sorry, even though that baby may

>> Tim Wildmon: be born, the child is Honduran.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, the child will be Honduran, to your point.

>> Chris Woodward: So I've always understood it for years that Ted Cruz was born in Canada to Americans. And because he was born in Canada to Americans, he's American. So he was born with a country, even though he wasn't born physically in the United States. That's a paraphrase.

>> Fred Jackson: my wife is American citizen, born here in Mississippi. We met at Bible school. We moved to Canada. Our girls were both born in Canada. They hold dual citizenship.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Fred Jackson: Because their mom is an American citizen. So they hold dual. Even though they were born in Canada.

Fred Kaplan: President Trump made history today by attending Supreme Court hearing

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, the President of the United States is. I don't know if he's left the building, as Elvis did, but he has been at the Supreme Court building. We were talking about this. how many times, has a president been to the Supreme Court to watch a hearing? first time.

>> Jenna Ellis: This is first time. So President Trump made history today because while presidents, certainly can come and, certainly have contested, various cases at the US Supreme Court, this is the first time that, he actually chose to go and sit. And I'm wondering if the, process was probably really fascinating to him. And, I think. I think it's actually really wonderful that he went and participated in that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Do you think I know what you're gonna say, Fred?

>> Fred Jackson: Do you think in his mind. In his mind. Because, Peter Doocy was asked him the question. Yeah, you're actually going to. Yeah, I think I'll go. I want to go. Do you think it was. I'm going to intimidate this bunch up there. These. These robed judges by my Presence he thinks he could intimidate. Like this thing and, the stare down with Chief Justice Roberts.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think that when he sees the future after his presidency, he wants to be a lawyer. He has. He has the temperament, does he not?

>> Jenna Ellis: He can articulate those arguments. His briefs would be the best, the biggest, the most beautiful briefs in the world.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes. Everything would be a clean, whatever. Now, actually, we've had one president go on to serve on the Supreme Court. That was William Howard Taft.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: Of Ohio. So Trump being the first president to

>> Tim Wildmon: be re elected, there's a future there on the bench.

>> Chris Woodward: It's possible. We. Hey, listen, whether it's President Vance or Rubio or somebody, in a couple of years, there would be a precedent for a president to nominate another supreme, court justice.

>> Tim Wildmon: Trump would last five minutes.

>> Chris Woodward: Can you imagine those opinions? Everything would be in all caps and it would have exclamation points.

>> Jenna Ellis: Thank you for your attention.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so anyway, I, was telling. I don't know if you were listening to me, Jenna, but if you go in the Supreme Court for a lecture, just as. Just as a tour, you know, for the general public, you can go in there, sit down, and they'll give you a lecture about the history of the Supreme Court. And they've always pointed a chair and they say, this is reserved for the president, United States, but they never come. and so I guess somebody did some dusting.

>> Fred Jackson: Yep.

>> Tim Wildmon: and some polishing up because for the first time in whatever, 200 years. Well, that building hadn't been there that long. It's been there about 100 years, I think. Close to it, anyway.

Tomorrow morning on the live show, Congressman Marlon will be on

All right, Jenna, what's, tell us about what's coming up tomorrow on Jenna Ellis in the morning and about your podcast, your weekly podcast.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah. Yeah. So, tomorrow morning on the live show, Congressman Marlon, Stutzer, will be on, giving us an update on what is going on with the Save America act and, all of the other things going on in Congress. And then, also have, Florida's cfo, Blaze Angolia, who will be on because he's been doing, a lot of press conferences around the state of Florida, looking basically doing the Florida version of Doge, which every state needs to do. I mean, the amount of waste that he has uncovered is incredible. I mean, just in one county alone, they spent. I think it was some. Somewhere close to something like $2 million. Counting trees.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Jenna Ellis: I mean, just.

>> Chris Woodward: I remember that discussion.

>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And just things that, you know, are totally unnecessary and absurd and obviously over Inflated. And Florida right now is looking at, property tax exemptions and some of those other things. And so he's basically saying, look, if we just stopped wasting all this money, we could save taxpayers a lot of. And I think that that model needs to be for every state, you know, especially Florida and NewSong York. But, you know. All right, we'll see where we get on that one.

President Donald Trump leaves Supreme Court after listening to birthright citizenship arguments

>> Tim Wildmon: By the way, I have the word, from the Fox News website. President Donald Trump departed the Supreme Court after listening to more than an hour of oral arguments regarding the executive order blocking his birthright citizenship for children.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Four holes in golf right there.

>> Tim Wildmon: oh yeah, that's right. But give him credit. And he sat there for more than an hour and listened to to the oral arguments here at the Supreme Court.

>> Fred Jackson: He probably left with the ACLU lawyer came up.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, that's it.

>> Jenna Ellis: But I mean, but that might have been one of the first times that somebody's actually left mid argument too.

>> Chris Woodward: I mean that's the president of Firsts First Trump.

>> Tim Wildmon: Maybe they took a break.

>> Fred Jackson: He put up his hand. Chief justice, can I be dismissed?

>> Chris Woodward: Objection. You can't handle the truth.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, thank you, Jenna. Appreciate it.

>> Jenna Ellis: Thanks guys. Good to talk to you.

>> Tim Wildmon: You too. Bye. Bye.

Donald Trump will be 80 in June, according to CNN

>> Wesley Wildmon: When it has address, one President Trump's address in the nation, wasn't that also the longest speech ever? And I think he knew that

>> Chris Woodward: the

>> Wesley Wildmon: most recent state, the most recent State of the Union. He needed just a couple minutes or.

>> Tim Wildmon: I tell you what they need to do though.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You see the dots I'm connecting here. He just needs somebody to say, do you want to be the first?

>> Tim Wildmon: And he's like, oh yeah, the first to go to the Supreme Court.

>> Wesley Wildmon: He's going to the moon and he'll be the. Yeah, yeah, they can make history.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's gonna, hey, you know, I don't know, somebody needs to do a scientific study on the on Trump's DNA because he is. He's going to be 80.

>> Tim Wildmon: In. I'm not saying that there aren't 80 year olds with, with they're very active and mentally sharp. But to be 80 years, nearing 80, I think he's 80 in June. And to keep the schedule that he keeps as President, United States, just physically demanding schedule and then also to have to consume all the information, that you have to, you know what I'm saying? And it's just it's remarkable that you have that, you know, you have somebody regardless of whether you agree with his politics or Not. I'm talking about his ability to, have the stamina, the wherewithal and the mental faculties to carry out the duties that the presidency requires.

>> Chris Woodward: Right. Fun fact. Donald Trump's birthday is June 14, which happens to be the same day as Flag Day. I mean, he's just, he's, he's a man of trivia.

>> Tim Wildmon: I wonder if he'll point that out.

>> Chris Woodward: He probably already has.

Chris: Frank Turek talked about the Resurrection last night at Ole Miss

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so, anyway, President Trump, has left the building. All right, we got a minute to go here.

>> Chris Woodward: Let me, say this real quick. I had the privilege of covering for AFN Frank Turek's visit at Ole Miss last night. Frank did a I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist event at the University of Mississippi, AKA Ole Miss, and he talked about a number of things, including the Resurrection. It was a very timely topic. given what we're about to hear from Frank in clip 15.

>> Fred Jackson: The best evidence shows, literally, that the

>> Wesley Wildmon: Resurrection took place 4-5-33 AD this Sunday is April 5, 2026.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's 1,993 years ago.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It just so happens it lines up this year.

>> Chris Woodward: That can be found on the Cross Examine YouTube channel. And I'll have more on that later today on afn.

>> Tim Wildmon: Was that Frank Turek or Wolfman Jack?

>> Chris Woodward: That was Frank Turk. I can verify because I saw him with my own two eyes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, maybe we'll play some more from Frank, after the news timeout. Steve Paisley Jordal will join us. Krish, thank you for your contributions today. Thank you. and, Wesley, Fred, and yours truly will be back in a moment with more of today's issues.

>> Jenna Ellis: The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.

Tim, Wesley and Fred talk with Chris on top news headlines of the day. Also, Jenna Ellis joins the program to discuss the Supreme Court case that President Trump is in attendance today.