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>> Tim Wildmon: And there's nothing going on in the world, so we return you to your regular programming.

American Family Radio welcomes Ed Vitagliano and Chris Woodward

welcome to Today's Issues, everybody, here on American Family Radio. Today is Wednesday, May 6, 2026. We appreciate you listening to AFR. Joining me in studio is Ed Vitagliano. Good morning, Brother Ed.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Good morning to you, sir.

>> Tim Wildmon: And Wesley Wildmon.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Glad to be here.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, Krish Woodward.

>> Chris Woodward: Hello.

>> Tim Wildmon: You two guys are my brothers too, but, I just always introduce Ed because he's used to be a pastor.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right. I'm still, I used to be still. I'm still a rev.

>> Tim Wildmon: You still.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Although I never like people calling me Reverend.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Because I, I would, I would tell them, you should reverence God alone. and that. I don't mean that as a criticism to reverence. who do go by that title. You got to call people something.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So my dad used to, I mean, he was a Methodist pastor, but he got called Reverend.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Reverend, Reverend our brother, mostly Brother.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I, Brother Ed is what I've been.

>> Tim Wildmon: Brother Ed. Okay. Brother Ed.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So that was, that was 60 seconds. Our listeners won't ever get.

>> Tim Wildmon: I wonder, I wonder if, I wonder if, non Christians find it, when Christians call each other brother, so and so or sister. So I don't call anybody's sister, though.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't either. That's weird. Yeah, it's, it's, it's odd. I, I will have to, I have to hand it to, to black guys. Okay. Since the 60s when, you know, the civil rights movement, you know, became so well known.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're going down here. Are we?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Black guys always calling each other brother brothers.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So I think that kind of entered into the lexicon for everybody else. So I, they probably don't think it's all that odd because of that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. But I mean, you go back in history, I Mean, a lot of Christian denominations call each other brothers so and so.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Brothers and sisters in Christ.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

Ed: Coming up on this show, what do we got today

All right, Coming up on this show, what do we got today, Ed?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, we have, Josh Wood, bottom of the hour. Who' Executive director of Them before us. It's a radio show heard Saturday and Sunday on American Family radio.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: At 3:00pm Central Time, he will be joining us. And then at 1105, our very own Chuck Bunn, who's assistant director of security operations here. He's also been. I think he was on swat. He, you know, in terms of the TV show. No, the local police department. Oh, he's a real. Yeah. Military veteran. We're going to ask him about canines. K dash N canine dogs. because we had some questions earlier in the week, Tim, you and I both did. We couldn't figure out, on the shooter at the White House Chorus, press, the press conference, correspondence dinner, the attempted assassination. There was video that was released of an officer with a canine, and the dog seemed to be following the now alleged shooter, who did shoot a Secret Service agent who's doing okay. But we wanted to ask questions with someone who's handled dogs like Chuck has about how that all works.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So, folks, you want to tune in? stay tuned. In other words, at 1105, we'll be talking to Chuck about that. We'll get some inside scoop about that kind of process.

Wesley played in a charity golf tournament yesterday for an adoption agency

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. One other question. Wesley, you played in a charity golf tournament yesterday.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I did.

>> Tim Wildmon: We had four kind of sore.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Do you care?

>> Chris Woodward: I care.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Wesley.

>> Tim Wildmon: Brother Wesley doesn't affect me.

>> Chris Woodward: Hey, if you're sore now, in your 30s.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Wait till you get to your 40s.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And bless your heart, I enjoyed. Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: When you get to be 63 like I am, you don't complain about being sore because people say, well, why do you do it then?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah. Playing golf.

>> Tim Wildmon: Playing golf, for example. But charity, golf tournament yesterday, representing American Family Association, American Family Radio. I just want to know how our team did, our team of four who went out there and challenged, all comers. How did you guys end up.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We ended up six under, six under

>> Tim Wildmon: par, which is pretty good.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Pretty good and pretty good.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And that's a cumulative four.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. That's the only way to play golf is in a scramble, I believe, because you only need one good hit for 18 holes to make it worth you being there.

>> Tim Wildmon: It dumbs it down pretty much.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It dumps it down. And what was this? What was this a. A benefit, for?

>> Wesley Wildmon: We. We have a local, Adoption agency, Christian agency here in Tupelo. well, their headquarters are local, but they are regional. They helped, families adopt kids. and it's called NewSong Beginnings. Yeah, some of our listening audience may be familiar with them. You'll see them being promoted or you'll see some advertisement. Here's some advertisement on the radio throughout the year. And NewSong Beginnings is the one that was hosting the event, fundraising for their adoption agency. And so we put together an AFA team, went out there and enjoyed the day and beautiful weather, and played good. And everybody, between the four of us, everybody had at least one good shot.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Each time. So it worked.

>> Tim Wildmon: Out of 18 holes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's how come they didn't invite you to play, Tim.

>> Tim Wildmon: Why?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, America waited.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I had to be on the show.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, that's right. That's why you were.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't like. I'm not big on showing off, you know.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You don't want to show off.

>> Tim Wildmon: I didn't want to show off.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: at a Christian event.

>> Tim Wildmon: At a Christian event and, you know, people start saying, hey, man, you're great at golf. And what am I supposed say? I'm not going to have false humility.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, that's, that's almost as bad as pride. Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: I, I've never, I've, I've never played golf, ever.

>> Tim Wildmon: In your life.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm not even putt putt.

>> Chris Woodward: Well, yeah, I've done mini golf. I'm terrible at Nintendo Golf. I mean, my, my daughter is quite good at it. I mean, if you want to learn humility, play like Nintendo golf with a 12 year old, who will, make you realize real quick that you're not as good as video games that you used to be.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I gotta say, hearing someone say they're not good at video golf is like someone saying, you know, I'm not really that good at Call of Duty. I wonder how I'd be at really being in the military.

>> Chris Woodward: I'd be the first one to go.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right.

>> Chris Woodward: I'd be the first one to go.

>> Tim Wildmon: What's happening, Chris?

Southern people can expect severe storms today in parts of the Southeast

>> Chris Woodward: Well, before we get into international affairs, we do want to bring attention to, and recommend that our listeners pay attention to their local broadcasters today. And I say that because millions of Americans, all of which are listening to the show, they're going to be impacted by weather storms today. I'm [email protected] massive cold front blast, Rockies with snow. The east coast is getting a washout and Southern people, can expect severe storms. Possibly even tornadoes today in parts of the Southeast. And to go with that, I've got some audio here from Fox Weather meteorologist Britta Merwin talking about the.

>> Tim Wildmon: It was Britta.

>> Chris Woodward: Britta Merwin.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wow. Okay.

>> Chris Woodward: clip seven.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Today is a severe weather day. We're increasing the urgency, especially compared to the beginning of this workweek. Let's start with the baseline. Temperatures are very warm down to the south. We're in the upper 70s in Houston right now, but 26 degrees in Rapid City.

>> Chris Woodward: By the way, it is snowing in

>> Ed Vitagliano: Denver, Colorado right now. So that clash is supporting the severe weather. We've had an increase from the Storm

>> Tim Wildmon: Prediction center, a level 3 out of 5 alert for severe weather with every mode of severe weather possible.

>> Ed Vitagliano: We're talking large tornadoes, destructive hail and damaging winds. Very concerned with states like Mississippi and Alabama where we could see EF2 or stronger tornadoes. Many of those could be happening after sunset.

>> Tim Wildmon: Talk about Debbie Downer.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I know, I know well, and I will. That's a Brita Merwin. Merwin. we use her, water filters at our house, so she does, she's bivocational. Bi.

>> Chris Woodward: Vocational.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: She, You know what? You should never be shocked to say snow in Denver.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: That should never be like, breaking news.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Because I think it could snow in Denver in July.

>> Chris Woodward: I have, as a Braves fan, I have witnessed a couple of times now where the Braves were on the road and they got. They were supposed to play the Rockies and the game got snowed out in May.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay. Yeah, there you go.

>> Tim Wildmon: It can happen. You know what? It can happen. There's just. You never know what's around the corner in life. You know what I'm saying?

>> Chris Woodward: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, including weather.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And down south, you should never say there can't be a tornado.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. You should never say that. As soon as that, you say that,

>> Ed Vitagliano: here comes one, here comes a thunderstorm.

>> Chris Woodward: We have. Now you're in the South. we have summer and tornado season.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right.

>> Tim Wildmon: You're listening to today's issues. All right, other than the weather, what's happening, Chris?

>> Chris Woodward: Well, this actually happened just before the show.

Ted Turner, founder of CNN, passed away this morning at 87

I noticed that, Ted Turner passed away, this Morning. He was 87 years old, founder of CNN. he did purchase the Braves back in the 70s. Do you guys want to guess how much he paid for the Braves in 1976?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'll say $20 million. That's probably way low.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'll say 30.

>> Wesley Wildmon: 15.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. Wesley is, You two were the closest. He paid $12 million for the Braves in 1976.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Wesley was the closest billion dollar franc. $12 million.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ted Turner, older people or baby boomers know that name. Ted Turner, also known as the Mouth of the South. Yeah, back in the day he was he was quite the entrepreneur and businessman and he, he founded cnn. It was a cable net. Cable News Network. No, cable.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I think that's right. Cable News Network. Cnn.

>> Tim Wildmon: Cable News Network. And you know what? it was really good for a long time.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, it was.

>> Tim Wildmon: CNN was. And they provided news and on site coverage that, Americans watched, the world watched, quite frankly. And they were new and innovative. That's before they tilted left in their political views. but just as a news agency reporting, on events. Cnn, did a great job back in the day and we all watched it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You remember the first Gulf War, everyone was glued. I would go home from work every day and watch the coverage of that war because they had, if I'm not mistaken, that may have been the first time television reporters were embedded troops. And so they were like on the front lines. Now we always had, you know, like World War II. We did have, you know, reporters, the, you know, the various scenes, theaters of war. But in terms of seeing video oftentimes of live events, it was just, it was, it was just, everyone was just sucked in and glued in.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, this is before my time, but it sounds like this is the time where breaking news was breaking news. Is that right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, it was.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Seriously?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, because, because when I was growing up, you had the news at night. I even remember 15 minute news broadcasts. That's kind of hard to believe, but the broadcast News broadcast on CBS, NBC, ABC then went to 30 minutes. Most of my time growing up, they were 30 minutes. but you went, you, you went home and you watched the news. What happened today and what happened around the world. And it was a step, certainly above reading newspapers for it. And then CNN shattered this kind of the old way of doing things.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, what Wesley's talking about there, you know, I think we're desensitized to quote, breaking news on cable, cable, TV news. Because now Fox issues a breaking, news alert. If Sean Hannity combs his hair.

>> Chris Woodward: Right. Yeah, yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, and then it'll be breaking news when they repeat it for the next 24 hours.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, but I've heard it describe what I've heard. I've heard it describe what breaking news was before. It is today. And it, sounds very interesting if it sounds like we're missing out.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I don't mind, I don't mind the breaking news sound or interruption. But when they give it and it's a non breaking breaking news story, you know.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Ryan Walters: The.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes. Yes. No. Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're doing, you know that. Yes. Right. You finally realize they're doing this just to get you to turn your attention to the tv. It's like a drug or something like that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And the end, traditionally for journalism, the, the rule was if it bleeds, it leads.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That was even true about newspapers. You put, you put violence and crime and all that on the front page.

>> Tim Wildmon: Dirty laundry.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. And dirty scandals. You put all that on the front page because that convinced people to buy the newspaper. You're not going to lead with puppy, found alive. You know, those nice stories because people didn't care as much.

Ted Turner donated to American Family association before he took a left turn

Can I, can I ask just a question? I think I remember this when I first came to work here. I've been here for 30 years. I seem to remember your dad saying that Ted Turner actually donated to American Family association before he kind of took a left turn.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, my dad, yeah. He called my dad, My dad. The founder of this M. Ministry. Ted Turner did this, would have been back in the late 70s, early 80s. Called him a couple times I think to encourage him and you know, in his work because he was concerned about tv, the sex, violence and profanity increasing and getting more graphic.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: On television. anyway. Yeah, Ted Turner. Yeah. Back in the, back in the day he was married to Jane Fonda later, wasn't he?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, I think that's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Didn't they do an exercise video together?

>> Chris Woodward: she did. I'm not sure if he was in it. And he probably at least owned the production company that made the video. In addition to cnn, he owned a ton of things involving media.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know who Jane Fond is, Wesley? No. Okay.

>> Chris Woodward: she was a lady. My dad his grave disliking for her protest over the Vietnam War.

>> Ed Vitagliano: She didn't just protest. She went to North Vietnam and took a picture and had a picture on top of an anti aircraft battery that was used to try to shoot down American airmen.

>> Tim Wildmon: It wasn't anti war. She was anti American.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Back in the day. But she was a very famous actress. She's still alive.

>> Chris Woodward: She is. She was doing some some of the May Day, the, the socialist holy day, known as Mayday. she was doing some of those things last week. M. May Day is a thing that has been around for union. Oh, yeah, it's, it's steeped in communist

>> Ed Vitagliano: because of the, one of the parts of the original, communist takeover of Russia.

>> Chris Woodward: I call it Socialist Holy Day because we interviewed a guy with defending Education last week who wrot op ed calling it a socialist holy day, which is growing in popularity here in the US which is why you should vote.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. You are listening to the radio program Today's Issues here on American Family Radio. I'm Tim with Ed Wesley and Krish Next story.

Wesley Vance: I like Marco Rubio better than JD Vance on Iran

>> Chris Woodward: All right, we are now going to talk about Iran for a couple of reasons. Let's begin here. Yesterday, Secretary of State Marco Rubio did the White House press briefing and he was on the podium for at least 30 minutes, maybe 45, answering questions, giving updates. And in this big one, Rubio says that Operation Epic Fury, the joint US Israeli effort that began in Iran back in late February. Rubio said that's now over with clip two.

>> Wesley Wildmon: The operation is over.

>> Tim Wildmon: Epic Fury is the president notified

>> Wesley Wildmon: Congress we're done with that stage of it. As far as the negotiation is concerned, I think the President's been clear that part of the negotiation process has to be not just the enrichment, but what happens to this material that's buried deep

>> Tim Wildmon: somewhere that they have still have access to if they ever wanted to dig it out. That has to be addressed and that's

>> Wesley Wildmon: being addressed in the negotiation.

>> Chris Woodward: Now for people that haven't heard yet, we're now on Project, Project Freedom, and even Trump paused that last night, announcing there's some sort of a deal with an update later today perhaps.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And that is the escrowing news, escort news. That's the escorting of ships through the Strait of.

>> Chris Woodward: I don't have this audio, but Ro Rubio said that the US Is doing the world a favor by escorting ships through the Strait.

>> Tim Wildmon: Let me just say this. In my opinion, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, should do these press conferences.

>> Chris Woodward: It was good.

>> Tim Wildmon: And tell President Trump to go golf. Okay. Because he, Marco Rubio, I get more out of hearing him.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: in terms of clarity in as much as you can in the, in a war like this, which is changing day to day, but he is a very good spokesperson talking about Marco Rubio. Let me ask you this, Let me ask you this, Wesley. A political question, not, not a question about the war. I'm going to switch for just a moment. The top two names that you hear for the Republican, nomination to be president in 2028 are Marco Rubio and J.D. vance. Do you have at this moment. Do you have a preference among those two? or do you think they're. They're equals in your mind?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I think they both had their strengths and their weaknesses. you know, I don't. I wouldn't say weaknesses. I think they had their differences. Yeah, I think they have their differences. I don't. Right now. I'm a wait and see. but if, but if I'm just having to pick for radio sake today, I like Marco Rubio better.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. What about you, Ed?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I would agree with Wesley, because of the experience. Marco Rubio has a lot of experience. I like JD Vance, but he's not had a lot of political experience. Marco Rubio not only has political experience, he's a foreign policy expert. I think he understands the way the world works, and I think he probably would be, would be a better pick in that area. That's. At this point, I'm, with Wesley, kind of wait and see, but that's my thought.

>> Chris Woodward: I think Rubio is definitely the more polished of the two. Not to say that Vance can't hold his own. We've seen him in debates, we've seen him in press conferences, but I'd be shocked if they don't, just give, Vance the, the, the baton, so to speak. and I really wouldn't be surprised if you don't see a Vance Rubio ticket, because the shtick will be, well, we're going to have Ohio and Florida, the two states we always need to win the White House.

>> Wesley Wildmon: One other thing, too, or one other thing to add. As I was listening to y', all, I did have a thought, though, and this may be why I'm feeling Marco Rubio for today, at least. And that's because I do think he compliments what Trump has been able to accomplish. But, but what Trump has lacked, which is a little bit of self. Well, no, a lot of self control with his words.

>> Tim Wildmon: And who doesn't have self control?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Trump. But Marco does.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He's baiting you.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You didn't save me. No, I, I. What I'm saying is Marco Rubio, he compliments what Trump lacks.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Better for our time in history. I think we could use a.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Following Trump. We could use a.

>> Ed Vitagliano: What do you think, Tim?

>> Tim Wildmon: Huh? Huh? Are you asking me what.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I mean? I'm asking you what you think. Yes, sir.

>> Tim Wildmon: you're turning the question back on me.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No.

>> Tim Wildmon: Which is fine.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Kind of a roundtable. We're having a little discussion. I like this. It's not Too early to start talking about because after the midterms.

>> Tim Wildmon: Midterms. That's what we're going to be talking next spring?

>> Chris Woodward: Pretty much, yeah.

J.D. vance and Marco Rubio could be potential vice presidential candidates

>> Tim Wildmon: So, first of all, these two guys are very good friends. J.D. vance and Marco Rubio. Somewhere I read Marco Rubio said that if J.D. vance runs for president, that Marco Rubio would not run. That's what I read. I don't know, you know, if that will still hold true. and if J.D. vance, assuming he's going to run for president, I would think he would. So, listen, traditionally, whoever the vice president is, is the almost, as Wesley said, hand the baton, or Krish did say, hand the baton. It's almost guaranteed, that whoever the BP is, is going to look at Kamala Harris. Even right. As bad a candidate as she was, she. She had the advantage.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Next in line, she had the advantage

>> Tim Wildmon: of being vice president, and therefore it catapulted her to be the Democrat nominee. and I think if J.D. vance wants it, they'll probably circle the wagons around here and Marco Rubio won't run for president.

>> Ed Vitagliano: but he might be a pick for vice presidential.

>> Tim Wildmon: Here's the other thing. But to answer the question, as much as I like JD Vance and I like him a lot, I think the experience that you talked about that Marco Rubio has, not only, you know, he's a very good spokesperson, right? I mean, very polished, but genuine. Not. I don't mean polished in a way that he's. That's right, he's phony. but he's classy. And he also understands, he's a Christian, right? And he's a conservative and he's smart and articulate. I mean, Marco. And, let me tell you something. Quite frankly, the position of Secretary of State is more prestigious than the vice president, or at least as prestigious as the vice presidency. whoever the vice president is in a, in a cabinet, the Secretary of state. That's why Hillary Clinton was Secretary of

>> Ed Vitagliano: State for Barack Obama.

>> Tim Wildmon: Barack Obama. Because that's a very high profile position. And that usually. And sets you up with, the kind of international experience that you need when you run for president, because you're

>> Ed Vitagliano: meeting with foreign leaders, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: And you're negotiating, and you're the chief diplomat right. In the world. So, Marco Rubio. But here's the thing. Let's say J.D. vance and Marco Rubio. Let's say he's polling better than JD Vance on a national level to be president. and Republicans say, well, the Republican leaders Who they are. Say, well, we want J.D. vance. Excuse me? We want Marco Rubio. J.D. vance has already been president for four years. President, Vice president. Excuse me. Do you think he's going to sign up for four more years of a V.P. no position? I don't think so. So, if I had to, if I was a betting man, and I'm not, I think today I would put my money on J.D. vance, because the reasons Wesley meant. He's vice president. If he wants it, it's probably his. The taking that or. But I don't think Marco Rubio would want to be vp, after being secretary.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It's a good problem to have.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, it's good. That's right. Kevan having great pitching, staff. And you're trying to.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Who's going to start the playoffs anyway? He's only. Marco Rubio is only 54.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So he's got all kinds of options if he decides he doesn't want to be a vice presidential candidate.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. all right. Ah, anyway, Marco Rubio, I think he's over the. He's over at the Vatican, isn't he?

>> Chris Woodward: Yes. He's, meeting with the, Pope. The Pope and then some other folks.

>> Tim Wildmon: Nikki told. Is it Pope Leo?

>> Chris Woodward: I think so. The American Pope.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think the quote from Marco Rubio was to the pope simmer down,

>> Ed Vitagliano: because he's been critical of Trump in the war in Iran.

>> Tim Wildmon: Said simmer down, Pope. We'll be back momentarily.

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>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, again, and welcome back to Today's Issues on American Family Radio. That's what you're listening to, Today's Issues. Tim, Ed, Wesley and Krish. so I got added to a text list here. It's affected my attitude, which I didn't ask for. Is this ever happened to anybody else?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, yeah, it happens.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's a group text that I didn't sign up for. Okay. Nobody asked me. Do you want to be added to this? They just added me to it. And it's about something about revival. some. Some event. So now if I text back and say, take me off this, they say, oh, Tim. Tim doesn't care about revival.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Or just as. Just as bad. They say, oh, I guess you're too good for.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, you're too good to get out. These are pretty.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Pretty important people, too.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: But they didn't ask you. Listen, this is a, this is Wesley. We were talking about this during the break, and Wesley was talking about, listen, I'm. Whatever he said, 15 or 20 years ahead of you, and I'm becoming a grumpy old man. Which actually, he's implying that we're already there, Tim.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, but if you're not, you need to beat.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But it is kind of. Nowadays, you just kind of feel like, hey, you kids get off the lawn.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, stop adding me to stuff. We talked about yesterday, Tim, about how, if you ever. Ever give to a political candidate, once that. Once that political campaign over, they sell every name. They've got every email address and ruined my last email.

>> Tim Wildmon: It ruined it. No, like, rotted it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. You're at your address.

>> Tim Wildmon: I got rid of it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Let's give our audience a heads up here. If you don't have popcorn and a Coke, now it's time to get one. Dad's got a. Dad's got a story to tell.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I've got. Well, also, you get added to people. you better be careful about an email because they'll add you to any. They'll add you to. They'll add you to their email list even though you did not ask for it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And anyway, I guess I got on that because I got a text while ago. It's a text group of 10 people, right? I know one of them. Okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And now they all have your number. That's everybody on the in that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, you didn't think about that. You made it worse.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Don't they all have your number now?

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I guess they would because I'm one of them. Yeah, I'm one of the numbers, but maybe they don't know who I am.

>> Chris Woodward: What if they're listening to this show?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, we don't. They don't know which one.

>> Chris Woodward: Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's their problem. You know what I'm saying? I didn't add them to a tech group.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So I'm saying, you know, the axiom. If the shoe fits where it. That's what I would say.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, listen, these are a couple of these guys. I do know. They're like good people.

>> Ed Vitagliano: They're good people, but this is the way. This is the way Life is in 2026.

>> Tim Wildmon: Raise your hand if you want more text and more emails. Raise your hand.

>> Chris Woodward: I need a phone just for text messages.

You don't get my phone number or my email address at propane stores

>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, how dumb I am. Probably five to seven years ago, whatever this was, when I went into a store and they said, do we have your email address? Or they have your phone number? And I would say, okay, I was thinking. I was thinking, well, I guess they need that now. I go, you don't get my phone number or my email address.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You don't need that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, just. I'm here. You asked for money for this product. I'm giving you money for this product. You get nothing else from me.

>> Tim Wildmon: Have a good day.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Have a great day. And the poor people behind the cash register, they don't care.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're told to ask.

>> Ed Vitagliano: They're told to.

>> Chris Woodward: They all act like, get off my lawn people. Now.

>> Tim Wildmon: you know, I went to fill up propane every.

>> Ed Vitagliano: In this propane and propane accessories.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's propane for my heater on my, Anyway, they said. And I get this every time they go. The employees are told to ask. Yeah, if you go, hey, can we have your email? I said, why do you have to have it? And I don't mean to be rude. I'm not. Don't take this personally.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, no, you can't.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, you can't. Okay. I said, is that going to stop me from getting propane?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Let me tell you, talk about dumb. Okay, I'm not. I'm talking about you or the people who are asking. Back in the 80s, I had a shirt that looked like a prison shirt. It was black and white striped. And I had gotten my hair cut. It was super short. And my wife said, you look like you're, a prisoner at Parchment Farm in the state prison in Mississippi. I have a picture. I still have it. Of Me in that shirt my wife took with a piece of paper with my Social Security number as my prisoner id. She said, do your. Do your Social Security number. So I have a picture of me

>> Tim Wildmon: that's not on the Internet.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, not on the Internet, but that's, that's how dumb we. I know I was. I was this back in the late 80s. 80s. A picture with me and my Social Security number. Because who wants that?

>> Tim Wildmon: I know.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, that's. That picture is in a.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so anyway, that's in a

>> Ed Vitagliano: bucket somewhere at my house.

>> Tim Wildmon: Enough branding.

Wesley, you want to welcome our guest and let's get into this topic

Wesley, you want to welcome our guest and let's get into this topic.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes, I would love to. Josh Wood, grab your email.

>> Chris Woodward: I got it open right here.

>> Tim Wildmon: Please. Your email.

>> Wesley Wildmon: No. Nor can you have my phone number.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

Josh Wood will speak at American Family Radio's Activate Summit this summer

All right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Josh Wood, executive director of Them Before Us, heard on Saturdays and Sundays on American Family Radio at 3pm Central. He's our guest today. He's going to be one of our speakers, or is one of our speakers at our ACTIVATE conference Activate Summit this summer. Roots to fruit. Growing in truth. Grounded in truth. Growing in grace. Joshua, thank you for being on with us.

>> Ryan Walters: Yeah, thanks for having me.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Now, tell our audience, obviously don't give it all away, but kind of give our audience just, a tweet or just a sample of what you're going to be discussing at our Activate, summit this summer.

>> Ryan Walters: Well, we're going to talk about how we need to retake marriage and specifically we need to retake the family by overturning Obergefell, to begin to prioritize a child's rights, back in our law across this country.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, and Josh, a lot of people don't think about, this angle. You're talking about the Obergefell decision that legalized same sex marriage in 2015 Supreme Court ruling. the, One of the biggest arguments in favor of same sex marriage is we want to, we need to legalize same sex marriage so that homosexual couples can legally be married so they can have kids. And the point is that prioritized the desires and needs of adults as opposed to what's best for kids. Is that not correct?

>> Ryan Walters: Yeah, that's correct. I mean, we, I think Americans across, we love our privacy, right? And so they sold us on privacy. This is just two adults. Leave everybody else out of it. It was the whole, what do we do in our bedroom is none of your business.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

>> Ryan Walters: What has become so clear over the last several years has been how, gay marriage has come out of that it has now required not just Two adults. But, you know, and this is a kind of a fundamental, I think, misunderstanding of the adults involved. Did we really think that God's desires to procreate, to have children would be satisfied by just adoption? No. Ah, adoption is a calling. It's something that's very difficult. It's not a strategy to grow your family. It's difficult. And so we misunderstood, I think, that men who choose to, be in relationships with other men wouldn't also want a biological connection with kids. And so they have since then begun to create children using egg donation and for women's sperm donation. And that has victimized children by erasing the moms and the dads, by purchasing the children. And we need to stop that. I think Christians have always been, the defenders of children, the weakest in society, those that can't speak up for themselves. And so we need to take it back. We need to take marriage back. On behalf of these kids, you can

>> Wesley Wildmon: visit activate.afa.net that's activate.afa.net and there, there's a tab says Summit. There you'll see Josh's Wood, Josh Wood's image, along with Katy fous, Laura Pleatherbridge, Dr. Jessica Peck, Pastor Jeff Schrieve, Brother Bert Harper. These are our speakers for Activate 2026. The dates are July 16th through the 18th of the summer. We're here. It's hosted here at our, at the town of, our headquarters in Tupelo, Mississippi, the Cadence Center. And you can find out all the information there. We have a Kids track that goes on simultaneously with the Adults track for ages 7 or 6 through 12. Ages 6 through 12, we have an Activate Kids program. You can find out the cost of the tickets by going to [email protected] or activate.afa.net or afa.net summit either one. And Josh Wood is one of our speakers. Josh, what for those that, are considering coming, and obviously we have a Kids track, so that's a big deal. another thing is ages 6 and under are for free. What would you say the importance of this type of gathering of Christian believers for the topic of marriage and family? Why do you think that they should prioritize a, ah, couple of days of their summer to be a part of this?

>> Ryan Walters: I think Christians need to realize that the redefinition of the family, that the child doesn't belong to anyone, that through this ruling now a child can be placed. I mean, that's the, that's with anybody. I think that's the fundamental question Here is, does a child come out of the womb belonging to two people, having a right to two people, or is this child just unattached? We can put them wherever we want. We have to fight back on this. And I think Christians will lead this charge because we understand what marriage is. We understand what a child is, the rights, responsibilities, and duties of parents in that discussion as well. And so what better place than, to lead this kind of charge back than for us to gather Christians and help to equip them, on this new front line of the battlefield?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, thank you, Josh. Thank you for being on the radio. And, this is our emphasis week. We're spending every day this week. We're taking time on our radio network throughout the radio program, starting in the morning to the afternoon, and we're having a speaker from activate some of this summer, come on and share a little bit about what they're doing. So thank you, Josh, for doing that with us, and thank you for making time.

>> Ryan Walters: Of course. Appreciate all the work you all do. Looking forward to being with you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hi, Josh, Would you mind giving me your email address?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Don't do it, Josh. Don't fall for this.

>> Wesley Wildmon: He wanted. He wanted. He wanted to say, do I have to. To come to the program or come to the summit? This summit?

>> Chris Woodward: No, you don't.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, you do not, sir.

>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you, Josh. Appreciate it. Josh Wood, executive director of Them Before Us. You're, listening to Today's issues on American Family Radio. Tim, Ed, Wesley and Krish.

Morris Hill set schedule for two tours next March for two groups

Hey, let me also mention this. We have just, set our schedule for next March for two tours.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, so Wesley and Walker are leading what's called the Footsteps of Paul journey to Greece. And the many places that St. Paul, for example, went to, started churches in and including Athens and Corinth. Yes, that Corinth. First and second.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And so, they're going to Greece with a group. Y' all took 70 or something this time, didn't you? In march?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Close to 80. That's right, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And so you're going back again?

>> Wesley Wildmon: It was. Yeah, it went so well. It was. This trip went flawless. The weather was great. And, I mean, we got to see where Paul was imprisoned. We got to see where Lydia, was baptized. I mean, these are the. These are very Morris Hill, very specific locations in addition to everything else.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Anyways, it was wonderful.

>> Tim Wildmon: So, Wesley and Walker going back to Greece in March. And then Allison and I, my wife, we're going to lead a group to Italy. And so that's a new tour, that we're going to be doing, but we're going to be seeing a lot of Christian sites in the country of Italy, which has so much history there, including Venice. Going to Florence.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Rome.

>> Tim Wildmon: Going to Rome. Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So I. Listen, I can't. I know Allison didn't really care for this. What are you calling this trip to Italy?

>> Tim Wildmon: Didn't care for what? Me?

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, didn't. Careful. Didn't care for what you called it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, no, I'm calling it to Make. I've changed the name since we talked. Yeah, I'm calling it to Make. Wesley and them are going on the Footsteps of Paul.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're going on the Make Lasagna Great Again tour, of Italy.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So I think. Doesn't that have a spiritual ring to it? I mean, food.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, I loved it. I love that. That you were calling it. You had the word lasagna in it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. You should, make Lasagna Great again.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: Psalm 34. 8 is, oh, taste and see that the Lord is good.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Chris Woodward: That on your email to all the people that sign up for it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

Wesley and Walker going to Greece and Italy in March 2027

>> Tim Wildmon: So we are going to Italy, in nine days. Wesley and Walker going to Greece. We're doing these back to back.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So someone could continue. It could go to both of these.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. If you want to go to Greece and Italy back to back, we got you taken care of because we're going to have a plane, at the end of the Greece tour, go from Athens to Venice, and just meet us there. So we're going to tag team.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So, let me just ask this. This is the thing I would ask if I was considering going. I don't have to drive in either place, right? You have a bus that takes everyone.

>> Tim Wildmon: Bus. Oh, yeah. We take care of you. All you got to do is get to NewSong York.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: You know, that's the most dangerous part of the trip.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: York City.

>> Tim Wildmon: You won't be in NewSong York long, though, ma'.

>> Chris Woodward: Am. Donnie.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: You might see Zaron while you're there.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. We hope not. So anyway, I'm just saying that, we're going to Greece and Italy in March 2027. And if you want to read about these tours and, the itinerary, Q and A. yes, it does cost money, so, you know, we have to charge for it.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: but it's, it's all inclusive once you leave, once we get on the airplane in NewSong York. So here's the, website which tours.aca.net Right, Wesley?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right. I'm looking at it.

>> Tim Wildmon: So. T o u r s.afa.net True.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Tour.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That is a different name. We renamed it.

>> Tim Wildmon: We have.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So don't go to the old.

>> Tim Wildmon: I was going to say make lasagna great again, but that's already taken. Magnazon.com oh, I'm going to see if it's available.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's a mouthful, though.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So. So if you want to re. If you want to go to Italy with, us next March or Greece or both, and you want to read all about it, go to the website.

>> Ed Vitagliano: T o u r s.aca.net tours.afa.net tours.afa.net that's right. Is. Is, Make Lasagna great again. Taken.

>> Chris Woodward: I'm doing investigating right now.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Investigating research from our AFN team.

>> Chris Woodward: It looks like it may be open. Available. May.

>> Tim Wildmon: I have to reroute it. Okay. Give them my email.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Y' all got.

Chris: Where can we get good lasagna locally for $14

Y' all got me hungry now. Oh, where can we get some good lasagna here in town?

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I'll tell you where.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: I got two or three places. You got.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, I know a place in the area. It's called Ed's Place.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't really make lasagna, man. My wife makes good, good lasagna. My mom. Now, my wife makes really good spaghetti sauces. Information nobody cares about. but lasagna is good. My mom made great lasagna.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, because she was.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But she was, she was Greek and, and made a Greek salad.

>> Tim Wildmon: Greek with lasagnas.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Out.

>> Chris Woodward: We have options here.

>> Tim Wildmon: What are the opt.

>> Chris Woodward: we, we can get. Make Lasagna great again for $14 you can do make lasagna great again.net to go with the AFN.

>> Tim Wildmon: Are you talking about domains that are available?

>> Chris Woodward: Oh, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, we'll check that out. Thank you for doing the research there, Krish.

>> Chris Woodward: That's what I'm here for. By the way, I do want to point out that if you ever share your email address with American family news or afn.net you will once a day get an email from us. And that's all.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And we don't sell it.

>> Chris Woodward: No, we don't.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, no, that's right. All right. You're listening to Today's issues on American Family Radio. Next story. Krish.

Department of Justice files lawsuit against New Jersey over tuition for undocumented immigrants

>> Chris Woodward: Alright, so, I've got a couple of stories here. They do not involve sound, but that's okay because, it would be great to get your guys, your guys's, thoughts on this, one of the things that I have the opportunity to do for American Family News is to cover education stories. And yesterday I talked to Campus Reform, which is a watchdog group. They, they look for and report on all kinds of things that involve campuses, school issues, and a couple of headlines here, from both sides of the country. Here's one headline from Campus Reform. DOJ challenges NewSong Jersey laws granting tuition and financial aid to illegals. The Trump Department has filed a lawsuit against NewSong Jersey arguing that its tuition and financial aid policies for undocumented immigrants violate federal law by offering benefits not extended to US Citizens. On the other side of the country, in California.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hold on just a minute. Where is this happening?

>> Chris Woodward: NewSong Jersey.

>> Tim Wildmon: What are they doing?

>> Chris Woodward: Are they. The state of NewSong Jersey is giving tuition and financial aid assistance to illegals students.

>> Tim Wildmon: Are they using federal tax dollars? Are they using NewSong Jersey tax money?

>> Chris Woodward: They're using tax dollars, at least. it's a federal lawsuit. it looks like it's probably tax dollars is all okay at the moment.

>> Tim Wildmon: First of all, I don't agree with people getting government grants of any kind that are not citizens of the United States.

>> Chris Woodward: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. That's just. I don't understand that at all. I don't understand the thinking that goes into that at all. But if the state of NewSong Jersey wants to pay for it, that's kind of their business in a way. But if I'm. If I'm having to pay for this tuition and financial aid to people who are here illegally with federal tax dollars, then that needs to stop.

>> Ed Vitagliano: and that's probably why it's a federal. It's in federal court.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: probably it's federal tax dollars.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Anyway, explain to me before we get into that.

>> Chris Woodward: Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Explain to me the thinking. Sometimes left wing thinking is hard to.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Sometimes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, okay, good point. Duly noted. but, you know, when you at least like to try to understand where people are coming from, that I don't necessarily agree with. politically.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I can explain.

>> Tim Wildmon: The loony left.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Is the traditional Democrats. I can understand more than the loony left in terms of logic.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

New Jersey issues driver's license to people who are here illegally

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so explain to me why a state would issue driver's license to people who are here illegally in our country. Why they want to pay for them to go to college.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're here illegally. so make. Make sense of this.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I can't. No, I can explain.

>> Tim Wildmon: Explain their thinking.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm not sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: What would a left winger say to me on the reasons why they do this? And to have. And sanctuary Cities.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. I would say the reason for this policy in, NewSong Jersey is, or even the driver's license is that these people have a terrible life where they're coming from. They have a right to come to this country. And once they get here, we should make them welcome and help them get a better life. So, they're here illegally. They have a right to be here. We're going to help them. We want them to go to college so they can get a good job. We want to get a driver's license. And eventually we are going to make them US Citizens and therefore we want them to be productive Americans. And so they, are going to eventually have a right to vote, thus the driver's license. They got to drive to their job, thus the driver's license.

>> Tim Wildmon: What would they say? I understand that what you just said, basically that is a no borders philosophy.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. And I, So if you're going to be for no borders, that America should not have borders with Mexico or Canada, then okay, I can at least understand what you're. I don't. I think that's terrible.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I disagree with this.

>> Tim Wildmon: By the way, I research, I typed in the other day, what country in the world doesn't have borders? And I couldn't find, I couldn't find one. Now I did find a few countries, a very small number of countries that allowed for people to move, between countries that surround them. Okay. At couple of African countries and maybe in Europe, you can move around pretty much as long as you're a European

>> Ed Vitagliano: because of the economic. Because of the European Union.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right? That's right. But, but I couldn't find really any country in the world that had no border security at all. But these left wingers in America, they do not believe in borders. Borders to them are immoral, which would explain nationalistic. Nationalistic, racist, whatever.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: So we'd explain what you, you've just said, because I would say back to them, whatever you incentivize, you're going to get more of. And so if you're going to pay for free education, free health care and free health care and, and driver's license and everything, covered your food or whatever, to people who come to the United States illegally, they break our, laws to get in. You're going to get, and you're going to give them stuff, guess what? You're going to get. You're going to get more of it

>> Ed Vitagliano: because water runs downhill. Okay? So if you, if you have a nation like ours with, you know, a Pretty good life, okay. Is good or better than everywhere else in the world. And you have this open borders policy and you have incentivized people to come. Candidate, Joe Biden famously said, y', all, you know, yeah, invite a surge at the border, then water runs downhill. You're going to get people from bad economic situations wanting to go to a good economic situation, and you've incentivized them to do it. You're going to get people.

>> Tim Wildmon: I would say this, too. basically the two political parties in the United States, and this isn't absolutely true, but this is broad. In general, the Republican Party believes are, ah, the party of, border control, immigration, done legally. Law and order. Law and order. The Democrat Party is for ditching borders, demonizing ice. So any kind of. Any kind of enforcement of immigration laws they don't agree with. And they're basically saying that out loud for the most part now. So you have to consider that when you go vote, am I for

>> Wesley Wildmon: social workers with no guns or.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Am I for the party of just letting everybody in the world flow into our country unvetted and just, Or am I for, borders and border control and immigration laws?

>> Ed Vitagliano: And those are two clear choices.

>> Tim Wildmon: They are. I think that's one of the reasons that President Trump won the popular vote. Popular vote because he was for law and order on the borders and Kamala Harris was not. We'll be back momentarily. Stay with us. The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.

Tim, Ed and Wesley talk with Chris on top news headlines of the day. Also, Josh Wood joins the program to discuss AFA's Activate Summit.