Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on American Family Radio. We have 24 and a half minutes of information and education to bring forth to you. Tim here with Fred and Ray. Ray's in Florida, we're in Mississippi, and joining us in the studio is Steve Paisley from Georgia.
Steve Paisley: Hello, everybody.
Tim Wildmon: How are you doing, brother Steve?
Steve Paisley: It's a good day here in Mississippi.
Tim Wildmon: You know, I've mentioned this before, but we've got a popcorn machine back here.
Steve Paisley: Yes, we do.
Tim Wildmon: It's about 20 yards from where I am. This popcorn is addictive.
Fred: Yeah. Can popcorn be addictive? Do you know?
Steve Paisley: If it is, it's the kind of addiction that's good for all.
Tim Wildmon: It's a good addiction to have. Tell me there are some health benefits to me devouring all this popcorn.
Fred: Absolutely. It's called roughage.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. Good for your digestive system?
Fred: It is.
Tim Wildmon: That's what I thought. It's like hot fiber, right?
Fred: Absolutely.
Tim Wildmon: Steve's asking how you are.
Steve Paisley: I am.
Tim Wildmon: Are the health benefits of popcorn there, Steve? I'm not talking about soaking it with butter, although some people do that. I'm just talking about getting it out of the popper with a little light salt on it.
Steve Paisley: According to ChatGPT, popcorn can be a healthy snack, especially when it's air-popped or made with little oil. Its main benefits come from being a whole grain with fiber and support for heart health. Eating fiber-rich grains is part of a balanced diet and supports heart health. It can be filling without many calories.
Tim Wildmon: Oh, that's a big difference. I didn't read that right.
Fred: What you said.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, exactly. Would you check on pizza as well?
Fred: I think it's very healthy.
Tim Wildmon: That's what I'm having.
Fred: Actually, Tim's having popcorn. I'm having leftover pizza for lunch. Now, I think you're already getting the five major food groups.
Tim Wildmon: That's right.
Fred: You're getting meat, cheese, bread, sauce, and maybe some vegetables.
Tim Wildmon: That's another food group. You're fine.
Fred: Eating your own pizza increases the health value, right?
Tim Wildmon: Am I right?
Fred: That's right.
Tim Wildmon: I'm just doing my body good. That's all I'm saying.
Fred: Pizza can provide some useful nutrients, and it can fit into a balanced diet. Its benefits depend on the crust, toppings, and portion size. Cheese and toppings such as chicken provide protein, which helps maintain muscles and other body tissues. Cheese provides calcium, and vegetables provide nutrients. Tomato sauce and toppings such as peppers and mushrooms provide fiber and energy.
Tim Wildmon: Okay, so what you're saying is that there is a lot, as Fred said, of health and nutritional value to me eating popcorn. Right out of the popper, this is good for you.
Fred: This is AI, and AI can be wrong.
Tim Wildmon: Just don't tell that to it.
Fred: Yes, because then it'll attack you.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, it will. All right. What's the first news story you've got there, Steve?
Steve Paisley: I wanted to talk about this massacre in Ethiopia. At least 60 Christians have been killed. That's in the last 24 hours, right?
Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Steve Paisley: More than 60 people have been killed in a series of attacks on Christians in Ethiopia's Oromia region. That's according to the country's Orthodox Church.
Tim Wildmon: Who killed them? What happened?
Steve Paisley: Well, this is interesting. I'm reading this from MSN. They say local officials blame the attacks on the newly formed rebel coalition, the Alliance for Survival, which includes the Oromo Liberation Army. The OLA has not commented, but has denied carrying out previous attacks.
Tim Wildmon: It goes on for two pages, and not once does it specify who attacked these Christians. Not once. It describes them as being attacked by a rebel coalition. It talks about the attacks targeting local communities.
Christians in many parts of Africa, especially central and northern Africa, are under attack by Muslims. Now, a lot of times Muslims and Christians get along peacefully in many places. But if you want to know when this kind of thing happens, my suspicion is you've heard of Boko Haram.
I don't know if they are an al-Qaeda-type group. They're an Islamic supremacist-type group. They are like Hamas, for example, and they have terrorized Christians in Africa.
Steve Paisley: Now, Boko Haram, I don't know if they claim responsibility for this. There are many different groups. Boko Haram is the most notable. The Fulani are a tribe of people who have been influenced by Islamic violence. The Fulani are a hurting people who are used by terror groups like Boko Haram. This one is crediting a new group, but my concern here is that the journalism does not mention Islam at all.
Tim Wildmon: It mentions Islam once and Muslims once, and this is the sentence: "Previous reports have also documented attacks against Muslims in the area." That's it. You are being gaslit with the coverage of this. This is journalistic malpractice, and it's upsetting to me.
You and I have talked about this. You've studied this a lot. There is a strain of Islam that teaches physical dominance over the infidel, right?
Steve Paisley: Absolutely. We talk about Islamic extremism. You gave both sides of it, Tim. In many parts of the world, including many parts of Africa, Christians and Muslims live side by side in relative peace and harmony. But there is a strain of Islam, especially the kind practiced in Iran, the Shia type, looking for the twelfth imam, that is often not just the most radical but the most violent.
Just a few days ago, a spokesman for Iran basically said, "We're going to wipe Israel off the face of the earth," which is completely consistent with their own religious viewpoint.
But when you look at the terrorist organizations around the world, they're almost all Islamic supremacists. I'm using that term in the way the media uses the term "white supremacy," of which there is hardly any, but they keep referring to it.
Every time you see a report by the Southern Poverty Law Center or the mainstream media, they want to say something like what Biden said when he was president: "The greatest threat to our country is white supremacy." I'm thinking, where? Where are these people? You have a few skinheads in some Western state. White supremacy in America is almost nonexistent. They don't have conventions. They don't have political power. They don't own television or radio stations.
Tim Wildmon: White supremacy is an ideology.
Steve Paisley: Yes, but you have ideologies of all kinds around the world that claim their ethnic group or race is supreme. If you want to talk about groups that have a real impact on the world, they are the Islamic terrorist groups. Islamic supremacy is what I'm transferring the word to.
If you want to use white supremacy in America as a great threat to our country, please show me where this is. Then I'm going to say Islamic supremacist, all right? We have the Taliban, al-Qaeda, which was responsible for 9/11, Boko Haram, Hamas, which is also an Islamic supremacist group because they want to drive the Jews out of Israel, ISIS, Hezbollah, and Iran itself with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard.
That's all over the Middle East and North Africa. You have Islamic supremacy groups, and plenty of imams in this country, in various mosques and various cities, who are preaching the same kind of supremacy to their people in this country.
Tim Wildmon: Yes. All right. You're listening to Today's Issues on American Family Radio. What's your next story?
Steve Paisley: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: Do you want to comment on that, Fred?
Fred: I was just going to say, has anybody ever heard about a Christian terrorist group?
Tim Wildmon: You mean, like the Islamic terrorist groups?
Fred: Yeah. If you were to ask leftists, they would say the KKK. That's what they would say. I would argue that the KKK was not Christian.
Now, people say ISIS is not Islamic either. Well, they use the theology of radical Islam and the Quran to promote what they do. But the KKK isn't even around anymore. So what are you going to point to now?
Ray: They're going to talk about you and me.
Fred: White nationalist, white Christian nationalist. That's the threat to America if you listen to the liberal media.
Tim Wildmon: Don't fear Ray. People like Ray too.
Fred: People are going to say people like you and me are the terrorists.
Ray: Well, Christians were told to go out and preach the gospel. We're not told to go out and force people to accept what we believe.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Fred: You don't cut their head off. "You get baptized, or we'll cut your head off," which is what they want to do. But when you talk about a religious group being persecuted, you can attach the name Christian to that most of the time. It is Christian groups that are being persecuted.
Whether it's the horrible situation we just talked about in Ethiopia or Christians being persecuted in this country, Christians speak up against school board policies that allow boys to go into girls' rooms. You remember what the Biden administration did? He wanted to go after parents who showed up at school board meetings with concerns.
Tim Wildmon: Remember? He called them terrorist groups.
Fred: Who said that?
Tim Wildmon: He told his attorney general to send out a memo describing these people as terrorists.
Fred: You're talking about Biden?
Tim Wildmon: I'm talking about Biden. He went after Christians in the military who might speak up. They're the white supremacists. They're the Christian nationalists. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. The bad guys. They attach the name Christian to it all the time.
Fred: Right.
Tim Wildmon: All right. You're listening to Today's Issues. What's your next story, Steve?
Steve Paisley: Well, let's talk about artificial intelligence. We had a discussion in our story meeting this morning about the definition of chatbot and such.
Tim Wildmon: Would that be okay to spend the time on?
Steve Paisley: People need to pay attention because these are terms you're going to hear going forward a lot. If you're like me, you get them confused and don't know exactly what we're talking about.
Tim Wildmon: Go ahead, Steve.
Steve Paisley: Most people's interaction with artificial intelligence is through what's called a chatbot. That is an app on your phone or computer. It's basically an interaction with artificial intelligence where you can ask it a question and it will give you an answer. It might not be the right answer, but it will be an answer.
One of the issues is that it's more focused on giving you something you're going to be happy with than it is on getting things right.
There are five main chatbots and five main companies that create these chatbots. ChatGPT is one you'll hear a lot about, and it's from a company called OpenAI. OpenAI, as the name says, makes its programming public. If you know what to do, you can use it to write applications. That's ChatGPT.
Google has a chatbot called Gemini. Anthropic is the one you've been hearing a lot about because of the jailbreaking and infiltration of other businesses and computers. Anthropic's chatbot is called Claude.
Then there's Elon Musk's chatbot, Grok, from xAI. China has a company called DeepSeek, which has a chatbot called DeepSeek. Those are five of the leading AI chatbots.
Artificial intelligence is basically stringing together a bunch of computers in series so you can harness their computing power. By adding computer on computer on computer, when you have a million computers, you have a million times the computing power. It's starting to do things like analyze information and write code.
There are different types of AI. You could have predictive AI, which estimates what's likely to happen. They use this for weather models and fraud detection. You have generative AI, such as ChatGPT, which generates music. If you want to write a song, that's generative AI.
You have computer vision, which interprets visual information, such as facial recognition. You have speech and language AI, which can translate something, perform speech recognition, or transcribe something. Then there's robotics, which includes autonomous driving systems and robots.
Tim Wildmon: Those sound like positive things that contribute to our quality of life.
Steve Paisley: They are, overall. But here's the problem. These computer systems are learning. They take all the information on the internet, assimilate it, and use their computing power to come up with different associations that we wouldn't have thought of because they're computer-generated.
It gives you things like the ability to think on its own and try to preserve itself, for example. You can also use it to hack into other systems. There was a report of AI going through banks and into banking accounts and messing around there.
The goal, or where it's headed, is something called AGI, which means artificial general intelligence. That's when it starts having all the tools and computing power that the human brain has. It's described as being smarter and able to do more things faster than humans can.
That's when people start worrying that it's going to take over. It could control us. That's the fear. What if it takes charge of our electrical systems or our hospitals? It could hold us hostage.
That fear hasn't happened to a great degree yet, but the concern is that AI will become so smart and independent that it no longer needs humans and thinks we're the problem rather than the solution.
Tim Wildmon: I want to talk about that in just a moment and get Ray and Fred to jump in here too. We could extend this conversation for another show. The feature of AI that I use more than anything, I think, is Google Gemini.
The rate of speed and accuracy with which you can type a question into this AI search is incredible. It says "AI mode." Is that Gemini on Google?
Steve Paisley: Gemini is a chatbot.
Tim Wildmon: I just typed in something random. I said, "Baseball All-Stars, 1970." Within two or three seconds, I got what day the All-Star Game was played, where it was played, and who the starting lineup was. How is that even possible? I'm just asking a rhetorical question, I guess, but we're not talking about a person. This is ones and zeros.
Steve Paisley: It is simply a computer going out, assimilating information, and giving the information back. It's fast because it's operating at the speed of light. It takes the ones and zeros and manipulates them to get you the information you want almost at the speed of light.
Tim Wildmon: Back in my day, we had to go to the library for this kind of information. Then we'd have to go to the periodical tables, or we'd have to find a magazine from 1970 to look it up. Now this kind of information is instantaneous.
You just wonder sometimes about the accuracy or the political bias these search engines use. There's no reason to have political bias when you're asking who played in the 1970 Major League Baseball All-Star Game, but with different subject matter, you might realize some kind of liberal or conservative, mostly liberal, bias.
Go ahead, Fred, and then Ray.
Fred: It's interesting. This technology was initially embraced for its convenience. Like you said, you don't have to go to the library anymore.
Tim Wildmon: No.
Fred: You don't have to get your encyclopedia out or do an internet search. The AI will tell you everything you need to know.
Tim Wildmon: Convenience. It's being embraced because you can get information very quickly. But we're also moving toward the dangers Steve alluded to, where the technology is developing so it can think on its own. That's coming, if it's not already here.
There could be infiltration of water systems, a town's water systems, or a town's electrical system.
Fred: You mean using it to hack other computer systems, for example?
Tim Wildmon: That's going on. Listen, that's going on all over the world right now. AI-generated hacks into company databases all over the world are happening on a daily basis. It's unbelievable.
Steve Paisley: There are two kinds of those. There's the kind where somebody maliciously programs AI to go out and do that. But now they're also finding, with Anthropic for example, that AI itself will generate an attack without being told to do this.
Tim Wildmon: What do you do about that?
Steve Paisley: That's what they're talking about when they discuss putting fences around it. They're desperately trying to harness this technology.
Ray: I've got my iPhone in front of me. I have one of those folders where you aggregate all your apps. I've got Grok Chat, Gemini, Claude, Grok, Perplexity, which you didn't mention, something called Poe, which I never use, and Pi, which I hardly ever use.
Fred: Is that for making dessert?
Ray: Yeah, and that's what it should be, right? I've also got DeepSeek. It's phenomenal what these chatbots can do.
I mentioned last week, or the week before last, that I was working on my Advent devotional series. It's now out on Amazon, and I was coming to the last step of it. The hardest part of writing is proofreading after you've gotten everything done.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Ray: There are gremlins in the text. In the old days, you would print it out and somebody would read it with ink.
Fred: That's right.
Ray: It takes hours and hours and hours. Now you can do that instantaneously. I've had it done five times with ChatGPT and Grok.
Tim Wildmon: I think we found everyone.
Steve Paisley: What we just mentioned is one small aspect of AI. There are other positive applications, such as medicine and cancer treatment. Those kinds of things are going to be revolutionized.
Ray: It is changing things. Businesses are already laying people off. Microsoft is laying off a lot of people.
Steve Paisley: Yes, it's going to impact the workforce for sure.
Tim Wildmon: Thank you, Fred, Steve, and Ray. Chris was here, and Doctor Heather was here earlier. Is anybody else on the show?
Steve Paisley: I don't think so.
Tim Wildmon: Grant Crayley, our producer, and Cole Green, who's still trying to fix our video machine over there. We'll see you tomorrow, everybody.
Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on American Family Radio. We have 24 and a half minutes of information and education to bring forth to you. Tim here with Fred and Ray. Ray's in Florida, we're in Mississippi, and joining us in the studio is Steve Paisley from Georgia.
Steve Paisley: Hello, everybody.
Tim Wildmon: How are you doing, brother Steve?
Steve Paisley: It's a good day here in Mississippi.
Tim Wildmon: You know, I've mentioned this before, but we've got a popcorn machine back here.
Steve Paisley: Yes, we do.
Tim Wildmon: It's about 20 yards from where I am. This popcorn is addictive.
Fred: Yeah. Can popcorn be addictive? Do you know?
Steve Paisley: If it is, it's the kind of addiction that's good for all.
Tim Wildmon: It's a good addiction to have. Tell me there are some health benefits to me devouring all this popcorn.
Fred: Absolutely. It's called roughage.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. Good for your digestive system?
Fred: It is.
Tim Wildmon: That's what I thought. It's like hot fiber, right?
Fred: Absolutely.
Tim Wildmon: Steve's asking how you are.
Steve Paisley: I am.
Tim Wildmon: Are the health benefits of popcorn there, Steve? I'm not talking about soaking it with butter, although some people do that. I'm just talking about getting it out of the popper with a little light salt on it.
Steve Paisley: According to ChatGPT, popcorn can be a healthy snack, especially when it's air-popped or made with little oil. Its main benefits come from being a whole grain with fiber and support for heart health. Eating fiber-rich grains is part of a balanced diet and supports heart health. It can be filling without many calories.
Tim Wildmon: Oh, that's a big difference. I didn't read that right.
Fred: What you said.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, exactly. Would you check on pizza as well?
Fred: I think it's very healthy.
Tim Wildmon: That's what I'm having.
Fred: Actually, Tim's having popcorn. I'm having leftover pizza for lunch. Now, I think you're already getting the five major food groups.
Tim Wildmon: That's right.
Fred: You're getting meat, cheese, bread, sauce, and maybe some vegetables.
Tim Wildmon: That's another food group. You're fine.
Fred: Eating your own pizza increases the health value, right?
Tim Wildmon: Am I right?
Fred: That's right.
Tim Wildmon: I'm just doing my body good. That's all I'm saying.
Fred: Pizza can provide some useful nutrients, and it can fit into a balanced diet. Its benefits depend on the crust, toppings, and portion size. Cheese and toppings such as chicken provide protein, which helps maintain muscles and other body tissues. Cheese provides calcium, and vegetables provide nutrients. Tomato sauce and toppings such as peppers and mushrooms provide fiber and energy.
Tim Wildmon: Okay, so what you're saying is that there is a lot, as Fred said, of health and nutritional value to me eating popcorn. Right out of the popper, this is good for you.
Fred: This is AI, and AI can be wrong.
Tim Wildmon: Just don't tell that to it.
Fred: Yes, because then it'll attack you.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, it will. All right. What's the first news story you've got there, Steve?
Steve Paisley: I wanted to talk about this massacre in Ethiopia. At least 60 Christians have been killed. That's in the last 24 hours, right?
Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Steve Paisley: More than 60 people have been killed in a series of attacks on Christians in Ethiopia's Oromia region. That's according to the country's Orthodox Church.
Tim Wildmon: Who killed them? What happened?
Steve Paisley: Well, this is interesting. I'm reading this from MSN. They say local officials blame the attacks on the newly formed rebel coalition, the Alliance for Survival, which includes the Oromo Liberation Army. The OLA has not commented, but has denied carrying out previous attacks.
Tim Wildmon: It goes on for two pages, and not once does it specify who attacked these Christians. Not once. It describes them as being attacked by a rebel coalition. It talks about the attacks targeting local communities.
Christians in many parts of Africa, especially central and northern Africa, are under attack by Muslims. Now, a lot of times Muslims and Christians get along peacefully in many places. But if you want to know when this kind of thing happens, my suspicion is you've heard of Boko Haram.
I don't know if they are an al-Qaeda-type group. They're an Islamic supremacist-type group. They are like Hamas, for example, and they have terrorized Christians in Africa.
Steve Paisley: Now, Boko Haram, I don't know if they claim responsibility for this. There are many different groups. Boko Haram is the most notable. The Fulani are a tribe of people who have been influenced by Islamic violence. The Fulani are a hurting people who are used by terror groups like Boko Haram. This one is crediting a new group, but my concern here is that the journalism does not mention Islam at all.
Tim Wildmon: It mentions Islam once and Muslims once, and this is the sentence: "Previous reports have also documented attacks against Muslims in the area." That's it. You are being gaslit with the coverage of this. This is journalistic malpractice, and it's upsetting to me.
You and I have talked about this. You've studied this a lot. There is a strain of Islam that teaches physical dominance over the infidel, right?
Steve Paisley: Absolutely. We talk about Islamic extremism. You gave both sides of it, Tim. In many parts of the world, including many parts of Africa, Christians and Muslims live side by side in relative peace and harmony. But there is a strain of Islam, especially the kind practiced in Iran, the Shia type, looking for the twelfth imam, that is often not just the most radical but the most violent.
Just a few days ago, a spokesman for Iran basically said, "We're going to wipe Israel off the face of the earth," which is completely consistent with their own religious viewpoint.
But when you look at the terrorist organizations around the world, they're almost all Islamic supremacists. I'm using that term in the way the media uses the term "white supremacy," of which there is hardly any, but they keep referring to it.
Every time you see a report by the Southern Poverty Law Center or the mainstream media, they want to say something like what Biden said when he was president: "The greatest threat to our country is white supremacy." I'm thinking, where? Where are these people? You have a few skinheads in some Western state. White supremacy in America is almost nonexistent. They don't have conventions. They don't have political power. They don't own television or radio stations.
Tim Wildmon: White supremacy is an ideology.
Steve Paisley: Yes, but you have ideologies of all kinds around the world that claim their ethnic group or race is supreme. If you want to talk about groups that have a real impact on the world, they are the Islamic terrorist groups. Islamic supremacy is what I'm transferring the word to.
If you want to use white supremacy in America as a great threat to our country, please show me where this is. Then I'm going to say Islamic supremacist, all right? We have the Taliban, al-Qaeda, which was responsible for 9/11, Boko Haram, Hamas, which is also an Islamic supremacist group because they want to drive the Jews out of Israel, ISIS, Hezbollah, and Iran itself with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard.
That's all over the Middle East and North Africa. You have Islamic supremacy groups, and plenty of imams in this country, in various mosques and various cities, who are preaching the same kind of supremacy to their people in this country.
Tim Wildmon: Yes. All right. You're listening to Today's Issues on American Family Radio. What's your next story?
Steve Paisley: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: Do you want to comment on that, Fred?
Fred: I was just going to say, has anybody ever heard about a Christian terrorist group?
Tim Wildmon: You mean, like the Islamic terrorist groups?
Fred: Yeah. If you were to ask leftists, they would say the KKK. That's what they would say. I would argue that the KKK was not Christian.
Now, people say ISIS is not Islamic either. Well, they use the theology of radical Islam and the Quran to promote what they do. But the KKK isn't even around anymore. So what are you going to point to now?
Ray: They're going to talk about you and me.
Fred: White nationalist, white Christian nationalist. That's the threat to America if you listen to the liberal media.
Tim Wildmon: Don't fear Ray. People like Ray too.
Fred: People are going to say people like you and me are the terrorists.
Ray: Well, Christians were told to go out and preach the gospel. We're not told to go out and force people to accept what we believe.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Fred: You don't cut their head off. "You get baptized, or we'll cut your head off," which is what they want to do. But when you talk about a religious group being persecuted, you can attach the name Christian to that most of the time. It is Christian groups that are being persecuted.
Whether it's the horrible situation we just talked about in Ethiopia or Christians being persecuted in this country, Christians speak up against school board policies that allow boys to go into girls' rooms. You remember what the Biden administration did? He wanted to go after parents who showed up at school board meetings with concerns.
Tim Wildmon: Remember? He called them terrorist groups.
Fred: Who said that?
Tim Wildmon: He told his attorney general to send out a memo describing these people as terrorists.
Fred: You're talking about Biden?
Tim Wildmon: I'm talking about Biden. He went after Christians in the military who might speak up. They're the white supremacists. They're the Christian nationalists. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. The bad guys. They attach the name Christian to it all the time.
Fred: Right.
Tim Wildmon: All right. You're listening to Today's Issues. What's your next story, Steve?
Steve Paisley: Well, let's talk about artificial intelligence. We had a discussion in our story meeting this morning about the definition of chatbot and such.
Tim Wildmon: Would that be okay to spend the time on?
Steve Paisley: People need to pay attention because these are terms you're going to hear going forward a lot. If you're like me, you get them confused and don't know exactly what we're talking about.
Tim Wildmon: Go ahead, Steve.
Steve Paisley: Most people's interaction with artificial intelligence is through what's called a chatbot. That is an app on your phone or computer. It's basically an interaction with artificial intelligence where you can ask it a question and it will give you an answer. It might not be the right answer, but it will be an answer.
One of the issues is that it's more focused on giving you something you're going to be happy with than it is on getting things right.
There are five main chatbots and five main companies that create these chatbots. ChatGPT is one you'll hear a lot about, and it's from a company called OpenAI. OpenAI, as the name says, makes its programming public. If you know what to do, you can use it to write applications. That's ChatGPT.
Google has a chatbot called Gemini. Anthropic is the one you've been hearing a lot about because of the jailbreaking and infiltration of other businesses and computers. Anthropic's chatbot is called Claude.
Then there's Elon Musk's chatbot, Grok, from xAI. China has a company called DeepSeek, which has a chatbot called DeepSeek. Those are five of the leading AI chatbots.
Artificial intelligence is basically stringing together a bunch of computers in series so you can harness their computing power. By adding computer on computer on computer, when you have a million computers, you have a million times the computing power. It's starting to do things like analyze information and write code.
There are different types of AI. You could have predictive AI, which estimates what's likely to happen. They use this for weather models and fraud detection. You have generative AI, such as ChatGPT, which generates music. If you want to write a song, that's generative AI.
You have computer vision, which interprets visual information, such as facial recognition. You have speech and language AI, which can translate something, perform speech recognition, or transcribe something. Then there's robotics, which includes autonomous driving systems and robots.
Tim Wildmon: Those sound like positive things that contribute to our quality of life.
Steve Paisley: They are, overall. But here's the problem. These computer systems are learning. They take all the information on the internet, assimilate it, and use their computing power to come up with different associations that we wouldn't have thought of because they're computer-generated.
It gives you things like the ability to think on its own and try to preserve itself, for example. You can also use it to hack into other systems. There was a report of AI going through banks and into banking accounts and messing around there.
The goal, or where it's headed, is something called AGI, which means artificial general intelligence. That's when it starts having all the tools and computing power that the human brain has. It's described as being smarter and able to do more things faster than humans can.
That's when people start worrying that it's going to take over. It could control us. That's the fear. What if it takes charge of our electrical systems or our hospitals? It could hold us hostage.
That fear hasn't happened to a great degree yet, but the concern is that AI will become so smart and independent that it no longer needs humans and thinks we're the problem rather than the solution.
Tim Wildmon: I want to talk about that in just a moment and get Ray and Fred to jump in here too. We could extend this conversation for another show. The feature of AI that I use more than anything, I think, is Google Gemini.
The rate of speed and accuracy with which you can type a question into this AI search is incredible. It says "AI mode." Is that Gemini on Google?
Steve Paisley: Gemini is a chatbot.
Tim Wildmon: I just typed in something random. I said, "Baseball All-Stars, 1970." Within two or three seconds, I got what day the All-Star Game was played, where it was played, and who the starting lineup was. How is that even possible? I'm just asking a rhetorical question, I guess, but we're not talking about a person. This is ones and zeros.
Steve Paisley: It is simply a computer going out, assimilating information, and giving the information back. It's fast because it's operating at the speed of light. It takes the ones and zeros and manipulates them to get you the information you want almost at the speed of light.
Tim Wildmon: Back in my day, we had to go to the library for this kind of information. Then we'd have to go to the periodical tables, or we'd have to find a magazine from 1970 to look it up. Now this kind of information is instantaneous.
You just wonder sometimes about the accuracy or the political bias these search engines use. There's no reason to have political bias when you're asking who played in the 1970 Major League Baseball All-Star Game, but with different subject matter, you might realize some kind of liberal or conservative, mostly liberal, bias.
Go ahead, Fred, and then Ray.
Fred: It's interesting. This technology was initially embraced for its convenience. Like you said, you don't have to go to the library anymore.
Tim Wildmon: No.
Fred: You don't have to get your encyclopedia out or do an internet search. The AI will tell you everything you need to know.
Tim Wildmon: Convenience. It's being embraced because you can get information very quickly. But we're also moving toward the dangers Steve alluded to, where the technology is developing so it can think on its own. That's coming, if it's not already here.
There could be infiltration of water systems, a town's water systems, or a town's electrical system.
Fred: You mean using it to hack other computer systems, for example?
Tim Wildmon: That's going on. Listen, that's going on all over the world right now. AI-generated hacks into company databases all over the world are happening on a daily basis. It's unbelievable.
Steve Paisley: There are two kinds of those. There's the kind where somebody maliciously programs AI to go out and do that. But now they're also finding, with Anthropic for example, that AI itself will generate an attack without being told to do this.
Tim Wildmon: What do you do about that?
Steve Paisley: That's what they're talking about when they discuss putting fences around it. They're desperately trying to harness this technology.
Ray: I've got my iPhone in front of me. I have one of those folders where you aggregate all your apps. I've got Grok Chat, Gemini, Claude, Grok, Perplexity, which you didn't mention, something called Poe, which I never use, and Pi, which I hardly ever use.
Fred: Is that for making dessert?
Ray: Yeah, and that's what it should be, right? I've also got DeepSeek. It's phenomenal what these chatbots can do.
I mentioned last week, or the week before last, that I was working on my Advent devotional series. It's now out on Amazon, and I was coming to the last step of it. The hardest part of writing is proofreading after you've gotten everything done.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Ray: There are gremlins in the text. In the old days, you would print it out and somebody would read it with ink.
Fred: That's right.
Ray: It takes hours and hours and hours. Now you can do that instantaneously. I've had it done five times with ChatGPT and Grok.
Tim Wildmon: I think we found everyone.
Steve Paisley: What we just mentioned is one small aspect of AI. There are other positive applications, such as medicine and cancer treatment. Those kinds of things are going to be revolutionized.
Ray: It is changing things. Businesses are already laying people off. Microsoft is laying off a lot of people.
Steve Paisley: Yes, it's going to impact the workforce for sure.
Tim Wildmon: Thank you, Fred, Steve, and Ray. Chris was here, and Doctor Heather was here earlier. Is anybody else on the show?
Steve Paisley: I don't think so.
Tim Wildmon: Grant Crayley, our producer, and Cole Green, who's still trying to fix our video machine over there. We'll see you tomorrow, everybody.
Tim Wildmon and the panel discuss reports from Ethiopia that more than 60 Christians were killed in attacks in the Oromia region. They examine local officials’ allegations against a newly formed rebel coalition that includes the Oromo Liberation Army, while noting that the OLA has not claimed responsibility and has denied previous attacks. The hosts also criticize news coverage they believe minimizes the role of Islamic extremism in attacks against Christians.
The program then explains how major AI chatbots work, including ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, Grok and DeepSeek. The discussion covers AI’s speed and usefulness, along with concerns about inaccurate answers, political bias and the growing dependence on automated systems.
The panel also considers AI-generated cyberattacks, threats to banking and public infrastructure, artificial general intelligence, workforce disruption and the challenge of controlling technology that could become increasingly autonomous.
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