Ed Vitagliano: Welcome to Today's Issues. Ed Vitagliano is sitting in for Tim Wildmon this week. It is Thursday, September 17th. Wesley Wildmon joins me in the studio. Good morning, Wesley.
Wesley Wildmon: Good morning.
Ed Vitagliano: Tony is with us as well, and Chris Woodward. Good morning, guys.
Chris Woodward: Good morning.
Ed Vitagliano: Chris, start us off with the first story of the day.
Chris Woodward: First of all, let us all take a moment and celebrate how great of a country we are in today because of the Constitution. Today is Constitution Day.
Ed Vitagliano: Amen.
Chris Woodward: We made it another year. Lord willing, we'll be talking about this later in the show today with Jenna or perhaps the panel here, but I do want to take a moment to celebrate the awesomeness that is Constitution Day on this American Family Radio network.
The Constitution, of course, sets all kinds of rules and regulations for the government and for the people. Speaking of the government, the Justice Department continues to crack down on fraud. As a matter of fact, the DOJ expanded its fraud crackdown this week with major busts in Los Angeles, San Diego, Missouri, and Massachusetts.
Authorities allege the fraud suspects used taxpayer funds intended for nonprofits to pay for luxury vacations, expensive vehicles, and properties. Assistant Attorney General of the Fraud Enforcement Division Colin McDonald talked about this today on Fox and Friends.
Colin McDonald: That era of taxpayer devastation and demoralization is over. President Trump and Vice President Vance have assembled a whole of government team of public servants resolved to protect the financial integrity of the United States and ensure that taxpayer funded programs serve the people they are meant to help.
Ed Vitagliano: Tony, I'm not sure how these people thought they were going to get away with this. Maybe they just figured that with the floodgates of money pouring out, the government would lose track of a lot of it. COVID, for example, was five or six years ago, depending on when you start counting. It does seem like they got away with it because it's been six years.
Tony: But there's always a paper trail for these things. If you have an administration like the Trump administration that is going to look for it, I don't know how they thought they weren't going to get caught.
Wesley Wildmon: One thing Chris did leave out is that you can actually go online and apply for the fraud dividends. They're going to give the money back to the taxpayers that was stolen from the taxpayers.
Tony: That would be nice.
Wesley Wildmon: No, sorry. I had to throw that joke in.
Tony: That's why you left it out.
Wesley Wildmon: It didn't happen.
Tony: That's right.
Wesley Wildmon: No, it's a second to your point. I really hope that these people who have defrauded the government and, in turn, defrauded the American taxpayer are brought to justice. Hopefully, reports like this and press conferences where J.D. Vance gets to say, "We found this much money and this many people," will also dissuade future fraudulent attempts. If you're not punishing the bad guy or the criminal, you're incentivizing future fraud.
Tony: Fraud takes place under both administrations. It takes place under a Republican administration, and it takes place under a Democrat administration. But you'll notice a huge increase in this during the Biden administration, when they were least likely to do anything about it. As people got away with it more and more, it became a drug.
Chris Woodward: A lot of these people feel invincible. They're now tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of dollars into a particular case involving these nonprofits. You get into it, you're going to work, you're spending this money, and you're not getting caught. It becomes a drug. You start using it over and over again.
Then the administration changes. I would say that under probably most Republican administrations in years past, before there was a DOGE or anything like that, or any accountability from the DOJ, they would just carry on and keep going.
What you're seeing here is that this is happening to the degree that I'd like to see them take care of it and punish them, and there will be a consequence. No, but they're doing something.
Tony: The ball's rolling, and at least for future reference, hopefully we have another Republican after Trump and the pressure continues to grow. Anything that gets this bad does not happen overnight. It takes an incremental, slow change.
This is the first administration I'm seeing do something about it. Trump talked about it a lot in his first term, but it didn't amount to much. They're at least starting. When you start trying to unravel this and put it on hold, or even begin to turn it backward, it takes a lot of time in the courtroom. A court case can drag on. They have to prove it, and they have to get receipts. There are appeals.
So, just a compliment to the DOJ and the Trump administration for doing something about this.
Ed Vitagliano: I would say this, too, about the process that has to go on to catch these people, prosecute them, and put them in prison. All that does is reveal the big problem. The big problem is that Washington, D.C., our federal government, is a bloated behemoth.
So much money flows through the fingers up there that there's no way to keep track of everything.
Tony: That's right.
Ed Vitagliano: Even if you are of a mind to. Because, as we're talking about on this Constitution Day, I don't believe the founders ever intended to create a federal government that would grow to this extent. I don't care whether it's Rome, the Roman Empire, or anything else. You get that much money concentrated in one city, and you're going to have corruption.
Tony: That's right.
Ed Vitagliano: Human nature says, "I want a piece of that." If you see one person over here getting a piece of it and you're not, then you're incentivized to twist the rules to benefit you and your political career.
It's a mess. You are playing into fallen human nature, and we're seeing that play out. So, to me, ultimately, the answer is going to be a smaller government.
I don't know how that's possible. President Trump tried as well as anybody to drain the swamp, and then the swamp fought back. There were Republican and Democrat alligators in the swamp. That's what he got in his first term, and to some extent now. But at least he's trying.
Tony: That's right.
Ed Vitagliano: All right, Chris, what else have you got?
Chris Woodward: An emotional Democrat admitted this week that she's ashamed of her party after her son and his new wife were killed in a car crash involving an illegal immigrant. The Democrat's name is Elizabeth Carter, and she delivered these emotional remarks to members of a congressional committee.
Elizabeth Carter: If we have to mass deport the problem that they built, so be it, if it protects one family from having to suffer like you've suffered. We allowed 10 million people in under Biden. Is there a different suggestion as to how to process them other than the same way they came into the country, en masse, leaving?
Committee member: We let far more than 10 million in, ma'am.
Elizabeth Carter: Unfortunately for the country, the Democrats remain as committed as they have ever been to open borders. As a lifelong Democrat, I am ashamed of what my party is doing.
Ed Vitagliano: That's heartbreaking. When you lose family members, sometimes that's what it takes before the principle of the problem hits home.
Wesley, I am afraid that, like Bill Maher, a lifelong Democrat who has said this is not the Democratic Party of old, a lot of people are now seeing that. I don't have a problem with classical liberals any more than I have a problem with classical conservatives. Human beings will break up into those kinds of opposites in any society. We're talking about the radicals that have captured the Democratic Party.
I am legitimately afraid, and I don't think I'm being partisan here, that if they get into power again, not even just talking about the midterms but in 2028, like Biden, they will use the administration to throw open those floodgates. I think they would do the same thing.
Wesley Wildmon: I think so, too. The number one issue for the Democratic Party of my grandfather's day and years prior has shifted quite a bit in other areas, like the LGBTQ issue, and there have been a few others.
Those are two other big ones, but by a large margin, the number one issue that has cost the Democrat Party is its open border policy. That is number one because it affects so many people on both sides, more so than anything else that they have changed in their platform over the years.
When you do what they've done with the open borders, pause and defend it, and then go so far as to want to defund ICE, you've got a circuit court judge, I forget what state it was, who helped an illegal immigrant exit through the back door while ICE was there to detain him. The one she helped had a long rap sheet, including being a pedophile and selling drugs, along with other criminal activity.
These are the people they're defending.
I think the Trump administration has done a phenomenal job of shutting down the border in this second term, more so than at any other time in history. The second thing they've done a really good job at is taking the argument off the table that you're sending home mothers, fathers, and families, sending illegal immigrants back to their countries.
They've taken that argument off the table. Although I think if you're here illegally, everyone should have to go back, start over, and come back the right way. I agree with that 100 percent. But from a larger debate and public opinion standpoint, that's harder to convince people of.
If you line up and say, "We're going to start with MS-13," then that gets to the deeper issues of why this is a problem for everybody, not just Republicans, conservatives, liberals, or Democrats. By the Trump administration taking ICE, getting its funding, and going around to different cities emphasizing that we're removing those who have committed heinous crimes, that really takes the argument off the table.
Actually, it's done an even better thing beyond that. It's provoked people to ask why illegal immigration is a problem across the board.
Ed Vitagliano: Tony, President Trump tried in his first term with building the wall and all that. I credit some red state governors during the Biden years for making the policy of open borders painful for states that weren't on the border.
You had Florida and Texas, maybe a couple of others, including Arizona. They bused and flew illegal immigrants into Massachusetts, New York, and some of these other blue states that had no skin in the game. They were trying to defend the Biden administration.
All of a sudden, you had Democrats saying, "Why can't I get Medicaid?" Then the answer was, "Because of illegal immigrants?" They made it painful for states that typically would have just given lip service to their defense of the border policy. Now they had to defend it to their own populations during the Biden administration.
Chris Woodward: It's a shortcoming in human nature to always live in the now. Conservatives, Trump, MAGA, and Republicans were hounding the issue of border crossings, building the border wall, the surge of illegal immigrants, and the burden that places on the welfare system and the taxpayer.
We included our position here at the American Family Association in support of a secure border. You have to look to history. What happens to a nation that has let illegal immigrants flood its borders before? What happens to them? There is never a positive result.
Just look at the Romans letting the Visigoths cross the Danube. It didn't work out for them.
Tony: And then, usually, that's the end.
Chris Woodward: Then we look to the future. What does this mean for us if we continue at a pace of millions and millions of illegal immigrants coming in?
Democrats on this issue have mostly stuck to the present. They look at the people who are trying to get into this country as just trying to get a better life. They're bringing their culture, wanting to be a part of the American experiment, and we're a nation of immigrants. That's the kind of talk we hear.
It's all focused on the present. What you're seeing in this sad instance, with the tragic death of this woman's family members, is the consequence of failing to heed warnings about what happened in the past and what can happen in the future.
Wesley Wildmon: I don't know if you guys have heard about this village in England, in the United Kingdom, where the residents voted to leave the United Kingdom. It was the village of Pittington in Oxfordshire. They voted to leave because they were one of these villages that was going to have to house close to 1,300 male asylum seekers.
The population of the town is just a few hundred people, I believe. They were going to have to house 1,300 male, military age asylum seekers. The ladies of the village released a public service announcement saying, "We fear for our lives. Join us. If something happens, it's on you," that kind of thing.
As I was watching it, I couldn't help but think that 10 years ago, and this is anecdotal, but just based on how the people of the United Kingdom have voted up to this point, a lot of these women were probably saying, "Why are you being racist? Why are you accusing migrants of these crimes? These people are suffering. There's nothing wrong with letting some people in. I know my neighbor down the road, or I know somebody from another country, and they've integrated just fine."
A lot of those women had probably voted for or supported the policies that got them into this position. Now that the consequences are finally starting to catch up, and there are 1,300 men in a village of 300 people sitting on the outskirts of their town, they have a completely different view of it.
Tony: You see examples of this all the time.
Chris Woodward: And across Europe.
Tony: Across Europe, they were very open, and the argument was always, "You're just being racist." Now you've got conservative groups, such as in Germany. I'm not saying I agree with some of these conservative groups. Some of them may be far right, even from my perspective. I don't know a whole lot about European politics, but people are waking up to the consequences of immigration without assimilation.
The consequences are terrifying to people. People have to look beyond the sad image, however the media wants to paint it, of the grandmother getting pulled from a birthday party and thrown into an ICE truck. There were all kinds of stories like that being spread around.
You have to get over that because you have to think ahead. What happens if we don't send ICE to deport these people who've been coming in en masse? What happens to us 10 years from now?
Chris Woodward: We've been trying to tell you. Trump has been trying to tell the American people, and conservatives have been trying to tell the American people. But you have to do something about it now so that you don't reap the whirlwind.
Wesley Wildmon: The words "en masse" are key here. Personally, I don't mind letting the grandmother in. But if you're letting people in en masse, you're not just getting the grandmother.
Tony: Yeah, it's not 1,200 grandmothers.
Wesley Wildmon: You're getting the village.
Tony: Venezuela emptied people out of its prisons. Cúcuta was literally invaded by thousands of military age men who are now not going anywhere. That story has kind of dropped off the face of the earth, but there's your example. They're not going anywhere. Congratulations. You let the Visigoths cross the Danube. Now, 10 years from now, you know.
Wesley Wildmon: We already have policies in place for people to come here legally. If you're here and you come here illegally, I don't care what your circumstances are. Personally, I think you should be deported, and then you just have to come back in the correct way. That's me.
Ed Vitagliano: Welcome back to Today's Issues. Ed Vitagliano is sitting in for Tim Wildmon this week. I'm joined in the studio by Wesley Wildmon, Tony, and Chris Woodward.
Wesley, we just had a delightful couple stop by. Give them a shout out. They came to visit.
Wesley Wildmon: We're going to give a shout out to Jonathan and Crystal Horner from Robbins, North Carolina. They've made the trip here and scheduled time to come visit. They're getting a wonderful tour from our front desk staff as they walk through and see our new facility here, including the AFR studios where we are live right now.
We're so thankful for their support and their relationship. Jonathan shared with us during the break that he really appreciates The Stand magazine. He uses it twice a month and has the opportunity in front of his Sunday school class to read one of the articles from it that deals with an issue he feels is important.
They do a wonderful job talking for a few minutes about church doctrine and theology and the Bible, but they don't stop there. They talk about how that relates to the issues of the day and their daily life, and using The Stand helps him do that.
Ed Vitagliano: A lot of people who listen to the radio don't know that we have a magazine. In fact, that's been going since the ministry started, prior to the radio network. It's called The Stand magazine.
A lot of times people are on their way somewhere important and pass through. Sometimes they'll get off Interstate 40 or another highway to stop in. Jonathan and Crystal came specifically to see us, and we love to meet our supporters. If you ever pass through or want to make a trip to meet us, we'd love to have you visit us.
We have Jenna Ellis with us remotely. She is the host of Jenna Ellis in the Morning, heard weekdays at 7 a.m. Central Time on American Family Radio. Jenna, welcome back.
Jenna Ellis: Thank you so much. I'm joining you from the remote location of Colorado this morning, where it is a lot cooler than my usual outpost in Florida, and probably a lot cooler than a lot of places right now.
Ed Vitagliano: I understand you're visiting family there in Colorado.
Jenna Ellis: I am. My brother got married back in August, and we're so excited. Tyler and Alicia, a shout out to them. They got married in Maine, where she's from, and a lot of our family and home church in Colorado couldn't go up to Maine. So they're having a wedding reception this weekend for relatives flying in from the West Coast and for our home church here.
My dogs, Copper and Todd, and I are all out here for the weekend to celebrate them.
Ed Vitagliano: You flew from Florida to Colorado, and Copper and Todd are pretty big boys. Do they fly in the cargo hold, or are they later in the Fox and the Hound movies? They're the big version of the book. Were you able to bring them?
Jenna Ellis: Yes, they come with me. It's actually the 75th anniversary of The Fox and the Hound. We're excited that there's some merchandise now. I got a T-shirt the other day that says Copper and Todd on it, with the cartoon versions of them. It's fun to have a little bit of their namesake with me.
Ed Vitagliano: I'm glad you got to travel with the boys. I just think of them as your bodyguards.
Jenna Ellis: They're on their job, very serious.
Ed Vitagliano: Jenna, it's Constitution Day. We didn't know this until Chris mentioned it in a thread for Today's Issues. Tell us a little bit about the Constitution, and then Chris is going to come back with an issue kind of related to that.
Jenna Ellis: We all celebrate July 4th, which is, of course, the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4th, 1776. That was the great complaint, as it were. It was in the court of public opinion, but it also legally justified the separation from England and laid out all of those worldview statements and what the founders saw as a justification to form the United States of America.
We all celebrate that, and we celebrated the 250th anniversary of it this past July 4th. But every September 17th, we should also celebrate Constitution Day. September 17th, 1787, was the day that our Constitutional Convention framers actually signed the original version of the U.S. Constitution in Philadelphia.
For about 60 years now, at least state funded institutions have been required to have some education on Constitution Day. This is a day that I think we should celebrate just as much as July 4th because this gave us our highest rule of law, the U.S. Constitution.
We subsequently amended it with our Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments, and now, as of today, we've amended it 27 times in our nation's history. There is a process through the original Article V by which we can do that. Some amendments obviously have been better than others, but today we celebrate the U.S. Constitution and that great document the founders provided.
It provided not just secured, enumerated rights that come from God, not from our government, but also a separation of powers and the ability for we the people to select and prefer our leaders. In this nation, we don't have leaders who are dictators or have what they used to call the divine right of kings, whether through heritage, conquest, or bloodline. We get to select and prefer our leaders.
That's what we'll be doing this November, selecting the best possible leaders through our vote, and we all need to take that very seriously as well.
Ed Vitagliano: People don't realize this, but Jenna and I have gotten together a few times to talk about constitutional amendments, including the 16th and 17th Amendments. Lord willing, we'll continue to talk about these things as we get into constitutional issues.
Speaking of constitutional issues, let's get into the Lindsey Clancy situation again for a moment. Fox News did a segment this morning. The Massachusetts woman who allegedly killed her three children has hired a new attorney who claims the prosecutor cannot file charges again after the judge declared a mistrial in the Lindsey Clancy case.
Legal expert Kelly Stimson was brought on to talk about this, and according to Stimson, this is not a case of double jeopardy.
Legal expert: Absolutely not. It's the weakest argument I've ever heard. This is a public relations campaign. Remember, the double jeopardy clause says you can't be tried twice for the same crime by the same sovereign. It doesn't say that when you pick a jury of 12 people and 11 are wackos, the prosecution can't prosecute you again.
This is a public relations campaign. There's no there there to this. This case was over when they picked those 11 women. It was over. You don't pick nurses. You don't pick doctors. You don't pick psychologists. You don't pick scientists when you're a prosecutor in a case like this. This case was over when they picked that jury.
Ed Vitagliano: First of all, there were three men and nine women, I think, so the gentleman misspoke. That was pretty bold when he was talking about the jury. Jenna, what do you think about what he said? Talk about the double jeopardy clause in the Fifth Amendment. What do you think about the core of what he was saying, that this is not a double jeopardy case if she's tried again?
Jenna Ellis: We'll first deal with the double jeopardy issue. It's true that when a jury is impaneled and actually sworn in, that is when double jeopardy attaches. If this jury had actually reached a verdict rather than a mistrial and had found her not guilty, or not criminally responsible, or just not guilty period, then she couldn't be tried for that same offense twice. That's the classic double jeopardy sense.
But because they reached a mistrial, typically the case can proceed back to trial. The prosecutor can decide whether to refile the same charges or file something lesser. There are some other statutory issues around that.
What the defense is arguing is that this could qualify as double jeopardy through a narrow improper mistrial theory, not because Clancy was actually acquitted. The argument appears to be that this wasn't an ordinary good faith deadlock, and that discharging the jury over the defense's objection terminated jeopardy improperly. Therefore, the prosecutor can't put her in jeopardy again.
I agree with the analysis that this is likely not to prevail, but it's possible. This is more of a procedural issue, not a classic double jeopardy claim.
As to the jury itself, this is where it comes down to, in my opinion, not the gender of the specific jurors but the worldview. When you have nine women and three men on the jury who are more concerned about the precedent this case may set, more concerned about the mental health issues, and using their expertise as nurses to essentially testify as experts in the jury room, which is actually illegal, there are so many other issues there.
This is why the prosecution needs to be really careful during jury selection to try to elicit a good understanding of the worldview of these jurors. Clearly, they weren't interested in looking at the facts and saying, "Did she actually kill her children? Should we hold her responsible?"
The common sense response to that is absolutely. But when you have jurors who care about other things instead of applying the law to the facts, then you get into a scenario where there was only one holdout juror who said, "Of course there's reasonable doubt. She just heard a voice. Because of that so-called psychosis, we have to find her not criminally responsible."
That juror said, "I'm not going to go along with that," and was thankfully the one lone rational holdout. This is why the entire jury process in this country rests on finding 12 reasonable people who will look at the law as it was intended and apply it to the facts rather than looking at Lindsey Clancy only as a sympathetic figure.
Ed Vitagliano: Chris, play a clip here. I want to be fair to women. All the women I know are clear headed, good thinkers. I don't necessarily agree with everything family members or friends may say, but I don't look at them as being irrational. Set this up for us, Chris, and then I want to get Jenna's take on it. Tell us whether you think this is a real thing. He's talking about Good Counsel.
Chris Woodward: Father Dan Reehil, a Catholic priest and exorcist, went viral in recent weeks for strongly criticizing the public support shown for Lindsey Clancy. Father Reehil called the widespread public sympathy and support from women for Clancy, who is accused of killing her three children, deeply troubling and denounced her as a killer. He even went so far as to give dating advice for anybody dating a woman who might support Lindsey Clancy.
Father Dan Reehil: Let me tell you about this Lindsey Clancy debacle. There is no universe that exists where a man would kill three of his children and go to the courthouse, and hundreds of men would show up to rally behind him. That world doesn't exist. But somehow there are women out there who think this is a good thing.
So now we are promoting killing children outside the womb. Is this not crazy? This is crazy. Yes, I understand she was on all these drugs and all the other things. Seek help. You're a grown woman.
This is a catastrophe that this thing happened at all, and we should pray for her. I think she has demons, to be honest. But these women who are behind her, insanity is reigning in many places.
If you're dating a woman right now who is a supporter of this woman who killed her children, beg and run for your life. Because one day you'll be having kids with her, and she thinks this is okay. I'm serious. That's a big impediment for me in a marriage.
Wesley Wildmon: Jenna, you mentioned that the most important thing is the worldview of the jurors, and obviously not being an expert, being a nurse, or the other factors you mentioned about their occupations. I totally agree with that. But what would be your response to the fact that the majority of support for Lindsey is coming from women?
Jenna Ellis: I fully agree with that priest. I saw a clip on Instagram the other day where a younger guy said, "Okay, my dudes, the two biggest issues in dating right now are, one, make sure she doesn't support Lindsey Clancy, and two, make sure she was never formerly a man." I thought, isn't it sad?
He's basically saying, "Don't date a liberal. Don't date someone who has a distorted view of reality." This is where we get in society when there are very few men who are rising up with courage and actually being the leaders and the spiritual providers.
This is what the Bible warns about when it says that women will rule over you. Women tend to be, as part of the good things about us, more nurturing, caring, and emotional than men. That's not always a bad thing, but it has to be tempered with reality.
What I see happening with these women is that they are trying to emotionally appeal to the situation and emotionally feel for Lindsey Clancy instead of setting aside emotion, looking at facts and logic, and saying, "Here are the facts. We need to consider the victims in this case, and we need to consider why the law is written the way it is."
When you have so many women in society wanting us to have laws based on pure emotion, this is where we get. This is of course not all women and not all men. Certainly, I am not one of the women who supports Lindsey Clancy. I can set aside emotion and have deep sympathy for the victims here. That's because I'm coming at this from a biblical worldview.
On the flip side, you have very effeminate men in society who are very emotional and actually act more like women. That's what the term effeminate means. To me, this is a distortion of reality based on a worldview that is false.
What ultimately matters, whether it's in a dating context, a jury context, or for lawmakers, is that we need to have men, primarily men, and women can be lawmakers as well, rise up and be the protectors, providers, and spiritual leaders. They need to help women understand where emotion can be distorted and where reality needs to be the focus.
I say that because God has set up men to be the leaders in the church and the family. If we had more spiritual leaders, not men who trample over women or see them as property or act in a patriarchal way, but actual biblical spiritual leadership, we would not see as many liberal, leftist women with these false, distorted views of reality and all of this leftist nonsense in our society.
Ed Vitagliano: Jenna, not only do I agree with what this priest said, especially when he said that if a man were on trial and admitted to killing his three children, you would not see men rallying to his defense. If he got caught out in public, they would drag him behind a building and beat the tar out of him.
There's something real being revealed by this case. I think that's why it has remained in the public eye. This is revealing deeper problems in our society.
I'm going to give you the last word, Jenna. Are there any other comments you want to make about this or about Constitution Day? Also, let our listeners know what you have planned for the remainder of the week, or if you have something exciting coming up next week.
Jenna Ellis: I would encourage listeners who missed the program this morning to listen to it. I was talking about pastors being more engaged in their congregations and encouraging civic responsibility, with Pastor Jack Hibbs from Calvary Chapel Chino Hills on the broadcast this morning. We were talking about a lot of this.
If you missed it, go to AFR.net and listen to the past broadcasts. I also played last week a clip from an Oprah show where she brought in a lot of everyday people. There was a doctor who was a minority, not white, who was suggesting that one of the outcomes from this is that we need to have more passion for women of color who do not have the privilege Lindsey Clancy has as a white person to basically get off with murdering her three children.
There are women of color who are in prison for killing their children, and we need to have the same type of passion. What she's arguing for is equity based on Marxism and based on color for baby murderers. That's how distorted her view of reality is, but that's where we're at in this country.
We need to go back to a biblical worldview framework. That's why we do what we do here at AFR every day, to bring it back to the biblical worldview.
Tomorrow, I guess, Owen Strand will be on, and we'll be talking about cultivating a life worthy of Christ and what that actually looks like. I'm really excited for that conversation.
Ed Vitagliano: By the way, folks, if you go to AFR.net, there's a drop down menu for podcasts. Jenna's show is there, and the program from this morning is already available. You'll see page one of 47, so there's all sorts of material that you can dive into and listen to. A lot of times Jenna will have guests on, and they'll do a deep dive into some of these issues.
Jenna, thanks so much. We appreciate it.
Jenna Ellis: Thank you, guys, and happy Constitution Day. May God continue to bless America in spite of our distorted views of reality, and hopefully this nation will return to Him. That's my prayer for Constitution Day.
Ed Vitagliano: Welcome to Today's Issues. Ed Vitagliano is sitting in for Tim Wildmon this week. It is Thursday, September 17th. Wesley Wildmon joins me in the studio. Good morning, Wesley.
Wesley Wildmon: Good morning.
Ed Vitagliano: Tony is with us as well, and Chris Woodward. Good morning, guys.
Chris Woodward: Good morning.
Ed Vitagliano: Chris, start us off with the first story of the day.
Chris Woodward: First of all, let us all take a moment and celebrate how great of a country we are in today because of the Constitution. Today is Constitution Day.
Ed Vitagliano: Amen.
Chris Woodward: We made it another year. Lord willing, we'll be talking about this later in the show today with Jenna or perhaps the panel here, but I do want to take a moment to celebrate the awesomeness that is Constitution Day on this American Family Radio network.
The Constitution, of course, sets all kinds of rules and regulations for the government and for the people. Speaking of the government, the Justice Department continues to crack down on fraud. As a matter of fact, the DOJ expanded its fraud crackdown this week with major busts in Los Angeles, San Diego, Missouri, and Massachusetts.
Authorities allege the fraud suspects used taxpayer funds intended for nonprofits to pay for luxury vacations, expensive vehicles, and properties. Assistant Attorney General of the Fraud Enforcement Division Colin McDonald talked about this today on Fox and Friends.
Colin McDonald: That era of taxpayer devastation and demoralization is over. President Trump and Vice President Vance have assembled a whole of government team of public servants resolved to protect the financial integrity of the United States and ensure that taxpayer funded programs serve the people they are meant to help.
Ed Vitagliano: Tony, I'm not sure how these people thought they were going to get away with this. Maybe they just figured that with the floodgates of money pouring out, the government would lose track of a lot of it. COVID, for example, was five or six years ago, depending on when you start counting. It does seem like they got away with it because it's been six years.
Tony: But there's always a paper trail for these things. If you have an administration like the Trump administration that is going to look for it, I don't know how they thought they weren't going to get caught.
Wesley Wildmon: One thing Chris did leave out is that you can actually go online and apply for the fraud dividends. They're going to give the money back to the taxpayers that was stolen from the taxpayers.
Tony: That would be nice.
Wesley Wildmon: No, sorry. I had to throw that joke in.
Tony: That's why you left it out.
Wesley Wildmon: It didn't happen.
Tony: That's right.
Wesley Wildmon: No, it's a second to your point. I really hope that these people who have defrauded the government and, in turn, defrauded the American taxpayer are brought to justice. Hopefully, reports like this and press conferences where J.D. Vance gets to say, "We found this much money and this many people," will also dissuade future fraudulent attempts. If you're not punishing the bad guy or the criminal, you're incentivizing future fraud.
Tony: Fraud takes place under both administrations. It takes place under a Republican administration, and it takes place under a Democrat administration. But you'll notice a huge increase in this during the Biden administration, when they were least likely to do anything about it. As people got away with it more and more, it became a drug.
Chris Woodward: A lot of these people feel invincible. They're now tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of dollars into a particular case involving these nonprofits. You get into it, you're going to work, you're spending this money, and you're not getting caught. It becomes a drug. You start using it over and over again.
Then the administration changes. I would say that under probably most Republican administrations in years past, before there was a DOGE or anything like that, or any accountability from the DOJ, they would just carry on and keep going.
What you're seeing here is that this is happening to the degree that I'd like to see them take care of it and punish them, and there will be a consequence. No, but they're doing something.
Tony: The ball's rolling, and at least for future reference, hopefully we have another Republican after Trump and the pressure continues to grow. Anything that gets this bad does not happen overnight. It takes an incremental, slow change.
This is the first administration I'm seeing do something about it. Trump talked about it a lot in his first term, but it didn't amount to much. They're at least starting. When you start trying to unravel this and put it on hold, or even begin to turn it backward, it takes a lot of time in the courtroom. A court case can drag on. They have to prove it, and they have to get receipts. There are appeals.
So, just a compliment to the DOJ and the Trump administration for doing something about this.
Ed Vitagliano: I would say this, too, about the process that has to go on to catch these people, prosecute them, and put them in prison. All that does is reveal the big problem. The big problem is that Washington, D.C., our federal government, is a bloated behemoth.
So much money flows through the fingers up there that there's no way to keep track of everything.
Tony: That's right.
Ed Vitagliano: Even if you are of a mind to. Because, as we're talking about on this Constitution Day, I don't believe the founders ever intended to create a federal government that would grow to this extent. I don't care whether it's Rome, the Roman Empire, or anything else. You get that much money concentrated in one city, and you're going to have corruption.
Tony: That's right.
Ed Vitagliano: Human nature says, "I want a piece of that." If you see one person over here getting a piece of it and you're not, then you're incentivized to twist the rules to benefit you and your political career.
It's a mess. You are playing into fallen human nature, and we're seeing that play out. So, to me, ultimately, the answer is going to be a smaller government.
I don't know how that's possible. President Trump tried as well as anybody to drain the swamp, and then the swamp fought back. There were Republican and Democrat alligators in the swamp. That's what he got in his first term, and to some extent now. But at least he's trying.
Tony: That's right.
Ed Vitagliano: All right, Chris, what else have you got?
Chris Woodward: An emotional Democrat admitted this week that she's ashamed of her party after her son and his new wife were killed in a car crash involving an illegal immigrant. The Democrat's name is Elizabeth Carter, and she delivered these emotional remarks to members of a congressional committee.
Elizabeth Carter: If we have to mass deport the problem that they built, so be it, if it protects one family from having to suffer like you've suffered. We allowed 10 million people in under Biden. Is there a different suggestion as to how to process them other than the same way they came into the country, en masse, leaving?
Committee member: We let far more than 10 million in, ma'am.
Elizabeth Carter: Unfortunately for the country, the Democrats remain as committed as they have ever been to open borders. As a lifelong Democrat, I am ashamed of what my party is doing.
Ed Vitagliano: That's heartbreaking. When you lose family members, sometimes that's what it takes before the principle of the problem hits home.
Wesley, I am afraid that, like Bill Maher, a lifelong Democrat who has said this is not the Democratic Party of old, a lot of people are now seeing that. I don't have a problem with classical liberals any more than I have a problem with classical conservatives. Human beings will break up into those kinds of opposites in any society. We're talking about the radicals that have captured the Democratic Party.
I am legitimately afraid, and I don't think I'm being partisan here, that if they get into power again, not even just talking about the midterms but in 2028, like Biden, they will use the administration to throw open those floodgates. I think they would do the same thing.
Wesley Wildmon: I think so, too. The number one issue for the Democratic Party of my grandfather's day and years prior has shifted quite a bit in other areas, like the LGBTQ issue, and there have been a few others.
Those are two other big ones, but by a large margin, the number one issue that has cost the Democrat Party is its open border policy. That is number one because it affects so many people on both sides, more so than anything else that they have changed in their platform over the years.
When you do what they've done with the open borders, pause and defend it, and then go so far as to want to defund ICE, you've got a circuit court judge, I forget what state it was, who helped an illegal immigrant exit through the back door while ICE was there to detain him. The one she helped had a long rap sheet, including being a pedophile and selling drugs, along with other criminal activity.
These are the people they're defending.
I think the Trump administration has done a phenomenal job of shutting down the border in this second term, more so than at any other time in history. The second thing they've done a really good job at is taking the argument off the table that you're sending home mothers, fathers, and families, sending illegal immigrants back to their countries.
They've taken that argument off the table. Although I think if you're here illegally, everyone should have to go back, start over, and come back the right way. I agree with that 100 percent. But from a larger debate and public opinion standpoint, that's harder to convince people of.
If you line up and say, "We're going to start with MS-13," then that gets to the deeper issues of why this is a problem for everybody, not just Republicans, conservatives, liberals, or Democrats. By the Trump administration taking ICE, getting its funding, and going around to different cities emphasizing that we're removing those who have committed heinous crimes, that really takes the argument off the table.
Actually, it's done an even better thing beyond that. It's provoked people to ask why illegal immigration is a problem across the board.
Ed Vitagliano: Tony, President Trump tried in his first term with building the wall and all that. I credit some red state governors during the Biden years for making the policy of open borders painful for states that weren't on the border.
You had Florida and Texas, maybe a couple of others, including Arizona. They bused and flew illegal immigrants into Massachusetts, New York, and some of these other blue states that had no skin in the game. They were trying to defend the Biden administration.
All of a sudden, you had Democrats saying, "Why can't I get Medicaid?" Then the answer was, "Because of illegal immigrants?" They made it painful for states that typically would have just given lip service to their defense of the border policy. Now they had to defend it to their own populations during the Biden administration.
Chris Woodward: It's a shortcoming in human nature to always live in the now. Conservatives, Trump, MAGA, and Republicans were hounding the issue of border crossings, building the border wall, the surge of illegal immigrants, and the burden that places on the welfare system and the taxpayer.
We included our position here at the American Family Association in support of a secure border. You have to look to history. What happens to a nation that has let illegal immigrants flood its borders before? What happens to them? There is never a positive result.
Just look at the Romans letting the Visigoths cross the Danube. It didn't work out for them.
Tony: And then, usually, that's the end.
Chris Woodward: Then we look to the future. What does this mean for us if we continue at a pace of millions and millions of illegal immigrants coming in?
Democrats on this issue have mostly stuck to the present. They look at the people who are trying to get into this country as just trying to get a better life. They're bringing their culture, wanting to be a part of the American experiment, and we're a nation of immigrants. That's the kind of talk we hear.
It's all focused on the present. What you're seeing in this sad instance, with the tragic death of this woman's family members, is the consequence of failing to heed warnings about what happened in the past and what can happen in the future.
Wesley Wildmon: I don't know if you guys have heard about this village in England, in the United Kingdom, where the residents voted to leave the United Kingdom. It was the village of Pittington in Oxfordshire. They voted to leave because they were one of these villages that was going to have to house close to 1,300 male asylum seekers.
The population of the town is just a few hundred people, I believe. They were going to have to house 1,300 male, military age asylum seekers. The ladies of the village released a public service announcement saying, "We fear for our lives. Join us. If something happens, it's on you," that kind of thing.
As I was watching it, I couldn't help but think that 10 years ago, and this is anecdotal, but just based on how the people of the United Kingdom have voted up to this point, a lot of these women were probably saying, "Why are you being racist? Why are you accusing migrants of these crimes? These people are suffering. There's nothing wrong with letting some people in. I know my neighbor down the road, or I know somebody from another country, and they've integrated just fine."
A lot of those women had probably voted for or supported the policies that got them into this position. Now that the consequences are finally starting to catch up, and there are 1,300 men in a village of 300 people sitting on the outskirts of their town, they have a completely different view of it.
Tony: You see examples of this all the time.
Chris Woodward: And across Europe.
Tony: Across Europe, they were very open, and the argument was always, "You're just being racist." Now you've got conservative groups, such as in Germany. I'm not saying I agree with some of these conservative groups. Some of them may be far right, even from my perspective. I don't know a whole lot about European politics, but people are waking up to the consequences of immigration without assimilation.
The consequences are terrifying to people. People have to look beyond the sad image, however the media wants to paint it, of the grandmother getting pulled from a birthday party and thrown into an ICE truck. There were all kinds of stories like that being spread around.
You have to get over that because you have to think ahead. What happens if we don't send ICE to deport these people who've been coming in en masse? What happens to us 10 years from now?
Chris Woodward: We've been trying to tell you. Trump has been trying to tell the American people, and conservatives have been trying to tell the American people. But you have to do something about it now so that you don't reap the whirlwind.
Wesley Wildmon: The words "en masse" are key here. Personally, I don't mind letting the grandmother in. But if you're letting people in en masse, you're not just getting the grandmother.
Tony: Yeah, it's not 1,200 grandmothers.
Wesley Wildmon: You're getting the village.
Tony: Venezuela emptied people out of its prisons. Cúcuta was literally invaded by thousands of military age men who are now not going anywhere. That story has kind of dropped off the face of the earth, but there's your example. They're not going anywhere. Congratulations. You let the Visigoths cross the Danube. Now, 10 years from now, you know.
Wesley Wildmon: We already have policies in place for people to come here legally. If you're here and you come here illegally, I don't care what your circumstances are. Personally, I think you should be deported, and then you just have to come back in the correct way. That's me.
Ed Vitagliano: Welcome back to Today's Issues. Ed Vitagliano is sitting in for Tim Wildmon this week. I'm joined in the studio by Wesley Wildmon, Tony, and Chris Woodward.
Wesley, we just had a delightful couple stop by. Give them a shout out. They came to visit.
Wesley Wildmon: We're going to give a shout out to Jonathan and Crystal Horner from Robbins, North Carolina. They've made the trip here and scheduled time to come visit. They're getting a wonderful tour from our front desk staff as they walk through and see our new facility here, including the AFR studios where we are live right now.
We're so thankful for their support and their relationship. Jonathan shared with us during the break that he really appreciates The Stand magazine. He uses it twice a month and has the opportunity in front of his Sunday school class to read one of the articles from it that deals with an issue he feels is important.
They do a wonderful job talking for a few minutes about church doctrine and theology and the Bible, but they don't stop there. They talk about how that relates to the issues of the day and their daily life, and using The Stand helps him do that.
Ed Vitagliano: A lot of people who listen to the radio don't know that we have a magazine. In fact, that's been going since the ministry started, prior to the radio network. It's called The Stand magazine.
A lot of times people are on their way somewhere important and pass through. Sometimes they'll get off Interstate 40 or another highway to stop in. Jonathan and Crystal came specifically to see us, and we love to meet our supporters. If you ever pass through or want to make a trip to meet us, we'd love to have you visit us.
We have Jenna Ellis with us remotely. She is the host of Jenna Ellis in the Morning, heard weekdays at 7 a.m. Central Time on American Family Radio. Jenna, welcome back.
Jenna Ellis: Thank you so much. I'm joining you from the remote location of Colorado this morning, where it is a lot cooler than my usual outpost in Florida, and probably a lot cooler than a lot of places right now.
Ed Vitagliano: I understand you're visiting family there in Colorado.
Jenna Ellis: I am. My brother got married back in August, and we're so excited. Tyler and Alicia, a shout out to them. They got married in Maine, where she's from, and a lot of our family and home church in Colorado couldn't go up to Maine. So they're having a wedding reception this weekend for relatives flying in from the West Coast and for our home church here.
My dogs, Copper and Todd, and I are all out here for the weekend to celebrate them.
Ed Vitagliano: You flew from Florida to Colorado, and Copper and Todd are pretty big boys. Do they fly in the cargo hold, or are they later in the Fox and the Hound movies? They're the big version of the book. Were you able to bring them?
Jenna Ellis: Yes, they come with me. It's actually the 75th anniversary of The Fox and the Hound. We're excited that there's some merchandise now. I got a T-shirt the other day that says Copper and Todd on it, with the cartoon versions of them. It's fun to have a little bit of their namesake with me.
Ed Vitagliano: I'm glad you got to travel with the boys. I just think of them as your bodyguards.
Jenna Ellis: They're on their job, very serious.
Ed Vitagliano: Jenna, it's Constitution Day. We didn't know this until Chris mentioned it in a thread for Today's Issues. Tell us a little bit about the Constitution, and then Chris is going to come back with an issue kind of related to that.
Jenna Ellis: We all celebrate July 4th, which is, of course, the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4th, 1776. That was the great complaint, as it were. It was in the court of public opinion, but it also legally justified the separation from England and laid out all of those worldview statements and what the founders saw as a justification to form the United States of America.
We all celebrate that, and we celebrated the 250th anniversary of it this past July 4th. But every September 17th, we should also celebrate Constitution Day. September 17th, 1787, was the day that our Constitutional Convention framers actually signed the original version of the U.S. Constitution in Philadelphia.
For about 60 years now, at least state funded institutions have been required to have some education on Constitution Day. This is a day that I think we should celebrate just as much as July 4th because this gave us our highest rule of law, the U.S. Constitution.
We subsequently amended it with our Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments, and now, as of today, we've amended it 27 times in our nation's history. There is a process through the original Article V by which we can do that. Some amendments obviously have been better than others, but today we celebrate the U.S. Constitution and that great document the founders provided.
It provided not just secured, enumerated rights that come from God, not from our government, but also a separation of powers and the ability for we the people to select and prefer our leaders. In this nation, we don't have leaders who are dictators or have what they used to call the divine right of kings, whether through heritage, conquest, or bloodline. We get to select and prefer our leaders.
That's what we'll be doing this November, selecting the best possible leaders through our vote, and we all need to take that very seriously as well.
Ed Vitagliano: People don't realize this, but Jenna and I have gotten together a few times to talk about constitutional amendments, including the 16th and 17th Amendments. Lord willing, we'll continue to talk about these things as we get into constitutional issues.
Speaking of constitutional issues, let's get into the Lindsey Clancy situation again for a moment. Fox News did a segment this morning. The Massachusetts woman who allegedly killed her three children has hired a new attorney who claims the prosecutor cannot file charges again after the judge declared a mistrial in the Lindsey Clancy case.
Legal expert Kelly Stimson was brought on to talk about this, and according to Stimson, this is not a case of double jeopardy.
Legal expert: Absolutely not. It's the weakest argument I've ever heard. This is a public relations campaign. Remember, the double jeopardy clause says you can't be tried twice for the same crime by the same sovereign. It doesn't say that when you pick a jury of 12 people and 11 are wackos, the prosecution can't prosecute you again.
This is a public relations campaign. There's no there there to this. This case was over when they picked those 11 women. It was over. You don't pick nurses. You don't pick doctors. You don't pick psychologists. You don't pick scientists when you're a prosecutor in a case like this. This case was over when they picked that jury.
Ed Vitagliano: First of all, there were three men and nine women, I think, so the gentleman misspoke. That was pretty bold when he was talking about the jury. Jenna, what do you think about what he said? Talk about the double jeopardy clause in the Fifth Amendment. What do you think about the core of what he was saying, that this is not a double jeopardy case if she's tried again?
Jenna Ellis: We'll first deal with the double jeopardy issue. It's true that when a jury is impaneled and actually sworn in, that is when double jeopardy attaches. If this jury had actually reached a verdict rather than a mistrial and had found her not guilty, or not criminally responsible, or just not guilty period, then she couldn't be tried for that same offense twice. That's the classic double jeopardy sense.
But because they reached a mistrial, typically the case can proceed back to trial. The prosecutor can decide whether to refile the same charges or file something lesser. There are some other statutory issues around that.
What the defense is arguing is that this could qualify as double jeopardy through a narrow improper mistrial theory, not because Clancy was actually acquitted. The argument appears to be that this wasn't an ordinary good faith deadlock, and that discharging the jury over the defense's objection terminated jeopardy improperly. Therefore, the prosecutor can't put her in jeopardy again.
I agree with the analysis that this is likely not to prevail, but it's possible. This is more of a procedural issue, not a classic double jeopardy claim.
As to the jury itself, this is where it comes down to, in my opinion, not the gender of the specific jurors but the worldview. When you have nine women and three men on the jury who are more concerned about the precedent this case may set, more concerned about the mental health issues, and using their expertise as nurses to essentially testify as experts in the jury room, which is actually illegal, there are so many other issues there.
This is why the prosecution needs to be really careful during jury selection to try to elicit a good understanding of the worldview of these jurors. Clearly, they weren't interested in looking at the facts and saying, "Did she actually kill her children? Should we hold her responsible?"
The common sense response to that is absolutely. But when you have jurors who care about other things instead of applying the law to the facts, then you get into a scenario where there was only one holdout juror who said, "Of course there's reasonable doubt. She just heard a voice. Because of that so-called psychosis, we have to find her not criminally responsible."
That juror said, "I'm not going to go along with that," and was thankfully the one lone rational holdout. This is why the entire jury process in this country rests on finding 12 reasonable people who will look at the law as it was intended and apply it to the facts rather than looking at Lindsey Clancy only as a sympathetic figure.
Ed Vitagliano: Chris, play a clip here. I want to be fair to women. All the women I know are clear headed, good thinkers. I don't necessarily agree with everything family members or friends may say, but I don't look at them as being irrational. Set this up for us, Chris, and then I want to get Jenna's take on it. Tell us whether you think this is a real thing. He's talking about Good Counsel.
Chris Woodward: Father Dan Reehil, a Catholic priest and exorcist, went viral in recent weeks for strongly criticizing the public support shown for Lindsey Clancy. Father Reehil called the widespread public sympathy and support from women for Clancy, who is accused of killing her three children, deeply troubling and denounced her as a killer. He even went so far as to give dating advice for anybody dating a woman who might support Lindsey Clancy.
Father Dan Reehil: Let me tell you about this Lindsey Clancy debacle. There is no universe that exists where a man would kill three of his children and go to the courthouse, and hundreds of men would show up to rally behind him. That world doesn't exist. But somehow there are women out there who think this is a good thing.
So now we are promoting killing children outside the womb. Is this not crazy? This is crazy. Yes, I understand she was on all these drugs and all the other things. Seek help. You're a grown woman.
This is a catastrophe that this thing happened at all, and we should pray for her. I think she has demons, to be honest. But these women who are behind her, insanity is reigning in many places.
If you're dating a woman right now who is a supporter of this woman who killed her children, beg and run for your life. Because one day you'll be having kids with her, and she thinks this is okay. I'm serious. That's a big impediment for me in a marriage.
Wesley Wildmon: Jenna, you mentioned that the most important thing is the worldview of the jurors, and obviously not being an expert, being a nurse, or the other factors you mentioned about their occupations. I totally agree with that. But what would be your response to the fact that the majority of support for Lindsey is coming from women?
Jenna Ellis: I fully agree with that priest. I saw a clip on Instagram the other day where a younger guy said, "Okay, my dudes, the two biggest issues in dating right now are, one, make sure she doesn't support Lindsey Clancy, and two, make sure she was never formerly a man." I thought, isn't it sad?
He's basically saying, "Don't date a liberal. Don't date someone who has a distorted view of reality." This is where we get in society when there are very few men who are rising up with courage and actually being the leaders and the spiritual providers.
This is what the Bible warns about when it says that women will rule over you. Women tend to be, as part of the good things about us, more nurturing, caring, and emotional than men. That's not always a bad thing, but it has to be tempered with reality.
What I see happening with these women is that they are trying to emotionally appeal to the situation and emotionally feel for Lindsey Clancy instead of setting aside emotion, looking at facts and logic, and saying, "Here are the facts. We need to consider the victims in this case, and we need to consider why the law is written the way it is."
When you have so many women in society wanting us to have laws based on pure emotion, this is where we get. This is of course not all women and not all men. Certainly, I am not one of the women who supports Lindsey Clancy. I can set aside emotion and have deep sympathy for the victims here. That's because I'm coming at this from a biblical worldview.
On the flip side, you have very effeminate men in society who are very emotional and actually act more like women. That's what the term effeminate means. To me, this is a distortion of reality based on a worldview that is false.
What ultimately matters, whether it's in a dating context, a jury context, or for lawmakers, is that we need to have men, primarily men, and women can be lawmakers as well, rise up and be the protectors, providers, and spiritual leaders. They need to help women understand where emotion can be distorted and where reality needs to be the focus.
I say that because God has set up men to be the leaders in the church and the family. If we had more spiritual leaders, not men who trample over women or see them as property or act in a patriarchal way, but actual biblical spiritual leadership, we would not see as many liberal, leftist women with these false, distorted views of reality and all of this leftist nonsense in our society.
Ed Vitagliano: Jenna, not only do I agree with what this priest said, especially when he said that if a man were on trial and admitted to killing his three children, you would not see men rallying to his defense. If he got caught out in public, they would drag him behind a building and beat the tar out of him.
There's something real being revealed by this case. I think that's why it has remained in the public eye. This is revealing deeper problems in our society.
I'm going to give you the last word, Jenna. Are there any other comments you want to make about this or about Constitution Day? Also, let our listeners know what you have planned for the remainder of the week, or if you have something exciting coming up next week.
Jenna Ellis: I would encourage listeners who missed the program this morning to listen to it. I was talking about pastors being more engaged in their congregations and encouraging civic responsibility, with Pastor Jack Hibbs from Calvary Chapel Chino Hills on the broadcast this morning. We were talking about a lot of this.
If you missed it, go to AFR.net and listen to the past broadcasts. I also played last week a clip from an Oprah show where she brought in a lot of everyday people. There was a doctor who was a minority, not white, who was suggesting that one of the outcomes from this is that we need to have more passion for women of color who do not have the privilege Lindsey Clancy has as a white person to basically get off with murdering her three children.
There are women of color who are in prison for killing their children, and we need to have the same type of passion. What she's arguing for is equity based on Marxism and based on color for baby murderers. That's how distorted her view of reality is, but that's where we're at in this country.
We need to go back to a biblical worldview framework. That's why we do what we do here at AFR every day, to bring it back to the biblical worldview.
Tomorrow, I guess, Owen Strand will be on, and we'll be talking about cultivating a life worthy of Christ and what that actually looks like. I'm really excited for that conversation.
Ed Vitagliano: By the way, folks, if you go to AFR.net, there's a drop down menu for podcasts. Jenna's show is there, and the program from this morning is already available. You'll see page one of 47, so there's all sorts of material that you can dive into and listen to. A lot of times Jenna will have guests on, and they'll do a deep dive into some of these issues.
Jenna, thanks so much. We appreciate it.
Jenna Ellis: Thank you, guys, and happy Constitution Day. May God continue to bless America in spite of our distorted views of reality, and hopefully this nation will return to Him. That's my prayer for Constitution Day.
Ed Vitagliano sits in for Tim Wildmon with Wesley Wildmon, Tony Vitagliano, and Chris Woodward. The panel reviews a Department of Justice fraud crackdown involving alleged misuse of taxpayer funds and discusses the challenges of government oversight. The program examines immigration policy through a reported fatal crash involving an illegal immigrant, border enforcement, and the consequences of large-scale illegal immigration. The panel also considers a village in England facing plans to house asylum seekers. Jenna Ellis joins the program for Constitution Day, explaining the Constitution’s history, the Bill of Rights, separation of powers, and the importance of civic participation. She also discusses double jeopardy and jury selection in the Lindsey Clancy case, emphasizing the role of a biblical worldview in law, culture, and public responsibility.
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