Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Ed Vitagliano
Fred Jackson Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Ed Vitagliano.
Ed Vitagliano And welcome back to Today's Issues. Ed Vitagliano sitting in for Tim Wildmon today. He should be back in the captain's chair tomorrow. I'm, joined in studio by Fred Jackson and Wesley Wildmon and Steve Paisley. Jordal comes in with his shirt. Pa. Paisley to the hilt.
Steve Jordahl It is. Today's a paisley day.
Ed Vitagliano It is Paisley. Is that, Is that new?
Speaker D No.
Ed Vitagliano You got the pants that match kind of. What, what, what color is that?
Wesley Wildmon Yellow?
Ed Vitagliano That yellow? Ah, yellowish. What I would call it yellowish.
Steve Jordahl I'd have to check with my wife to have the exact, like, mauve, whatever color. Pew.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah. Anyway, you look sharp as usual.
Fred Jackson Thank you.
A Massachusetts woman is accused of jury tampering in the Lindsay Clancy case
Ed Vitagliano All right, good. So, head to the stories.
Steve Jordahl I know you guys were talking last hour with, Jenna, Ellis about this Lindsay, classy case and the women who have made heroes out of this lady. One of them, her name is dawn light, is a 56 year old retired registered nurse. She's from Sutton, Massachusetts, and she calls herself a crime junkie. She was also, following the Alex Murdaugh case and the Karen Reed case, and she has been arrested. She's been arrested for jury tampering and, intimidation. What she did was she parked her blue Toyota in a restricted employee parking area, started taking photographs or videotapes of the people, the jurors, leaving the courthouse in the current case here in the Lindsay Clancy case. And, so she has been arrested and she is being charged. prosecutors are looking for a $50,000 cash bail. but the judge released her on her own recognizance. She was ordered to stay away from the courthouse. So, this continues. I just got off the phone with, a young lady from a national religious broadcaster. She was Bethany Miller. She's talking about the same thing you guys were talking about last hour about these women. how does one become a fan of a mass murderer? I want to start with the Daily Wire was doing a man on the street interviews. And I'll give you the male perspective. First of all, this is what most guys, will be thinking, when you talk about this case. Cut 15.
Speaker F Two things. Number one, if you think that men are holding women to too high of standards and your poster child is Lindsay Clancy. How low do you want the standard to be? The only thing we're asking she refrain from doing is killing the kids when her husband goes out to get her m medications. Is that too much to ask for? Is that a Leviathan Lift for you. Please don't kill the kids while we're out getting bananas. And number two, you can't have it both ways.
Ed Vitagliano Okay?
Speaker F The same women that are standing outside of the courthouse railing on and on about how her husband should have intervened and taken control of her medications and, God forbid, involuntarily had her committed and separated from her children would have been the same women who, if he had done that, would have said handmaid's tail.
Ed Vitagliano Who is that?
Steve Jordahl This is just a guy. The man, on the street. The guy. Very loquacious.
Fred Jackson Wow.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah.
Steve Jordahl Good communicator. so, he's obviously given some thought to this fan club, status of these women. So, anyway, Bethany Miller, who's a, She's. What's she called? An influencer. She is the Gen, Z messaging strategist and communication director for national religious broadcasters for nrv. And she says that this is taking advantage of something that God designed. you know, the enemy is always looking to corrupt God's design. God designed women to have compassion, and this is compassion, to an unhealthy degree. Listen to cut 14.
Speaker D Well, you know, we know that women are gifted in a certain way with empathy, and that is a beautiful thing. As you know, Scripture has called women to be, you know, mothers and nurturers and gifted in a different facet than men are. But of course, in the world we live in, our fleshly state that can be weaponized and manipulated. All of a sudden, the fingers were pointed at men, and the fingers are saying, well, men were toxic. And so then it was, all of a sudden, women must be empowered, and women must be, you know, equal, and we must have equal rights days, and we must, you know, have all these things. And it's funny because it's never enough. If you notice that women have access more than anything to anything. And it's still never enough. And it went from I should be able to abort my baby, who I've had conceived in rape, to I should be able to murder my children because I was depressed. And with women, it is seeping in. The secular narrative is seeping in to women through emotion, and it is weaponizing and manipulating on women's emotions and prying on it. And it's working, and it's compelling, and it's attaching through narratives and social media angles, and women are responding to it tenfold.
Steve Jordahl It's an issue with social media that is bringing this on. Tick tock. Particularly, she says.
Woman from Massachusetts accused of trying to intimidate jury with videotape
Ed Vitagliano All right, so first I want to mention the. The first Part of your story here, this lady from Massachusetts.
Steve Jordahl Yes.
Ed Vitagliano I'm just embarrassed, embarrassed to say this as someone, who's born in Melrose, Massachusetts, that these Massachusetts people are just cray cray. All right, so she was trying to intimidate the jury. That's what she's been arrested.
Steve Jordahl That's what she's been charged with. I don't think she was videotaping
Ed Vitagliano and taking pictures of the jury when they went in.
Speaker G Out.
Steve Jordahl Went in and out. Yes. So I, I don't think she was actually contacting or threatening the jurors,
Ed Vitagliano but just that action.
Steve Jordahl Yeah, it was.
Ed Vitagliano You're walking in and someone's videotaping taking your picture. You're wondering, what are they going to do with that? Maybe they're going to try to hunt down my identity and show up. Yeah. Dox them. All right, so that, that's a strange part of this story.
Fred Zakim: Let's talk about one woman who strangled her kids
Fred, let me get your take first on this, you know, what hearing. Listen, I appreciate all these, all these kinds of conversations. First the guy on the street, then the influencer from nrb. My take on all this is, okay, we can have conversations about these general trends and what women are thinking and the influence of social media. I just want to talk about this one case, you know, I just want to talk about what this one lady, Lindsey Clancy did. Do we really have to drag in all the sociological and psychological debates that are going on? Let's just talk about what this one woman did. She strangled her kids. Does this have to be something we tie to all the other maybe. Listen, people, that's their job to do that, to tie this to other things going on. That's not what I'm thinking about, you
Fred Jackson know, just giving this some thought. When I was growing up, I'm an old guy now, 70 plus. All right. For the most part, whether you voted for a liberal party or conservative party, politically, there was a general community consensus on what was right and wrong. All right. And I can't remember these kinds of debates going on. So you ask yourself, well, what has changed? And what has changed is that more and more people in, our society are giving themselves the right to decide what is right and wrong. We're losing that anchor that we had. And I would say basic, based on scripture on what is right and wrong. Now all of a sudden I'm going to decide what is right and wrong based on the majority of what I read on social media. So it's not only this case, but you think of Luigi Mangione, right? All right, this is the CEO of United Health Care Net. Cheerleaders in the court when he was arrested, cheerleaders in the court saying, you did the right thing because those insurance companies, they are terrible.
Wesley Wildmon Right.
Fred Jackson You did the right thing for us also. You know, when you. When you look at, you look at the Lindsey Clancy case, you look at Tyler Robinson. Now, he has not been found guilty yet. however, his social media posts, we know he didn't like what Charlie Kirk was saying.
Steve Jordahl He's the gentleman been accused of shooting Charlie Kirk.
Fred Jackson That's what I'm saying. He hasn't been found, but in his media posts, he talked about. He didn't like. He thought Charlie Kirk's comments were hateful. so if he is found guilty, we have to look at his mental state and his mental state, perhaps based on, okay, I have a right to do this for the good of society. I have a right to do this kind of thing.
Ed Vitagliano Obligation.
Fred Jackson So our anchor to what I believe is a scriptural basis of what is right and wrong has been dismissed. Now everybody decides on their own what
Steve Jordahl is right and wrong in their own mind.
Fred Jackson It's very narcissistic in their own mind. But the other problem is right now, we're also living in a culture where many of these people are not held accountable. They're cheerleaded on.
Ed Vitagliano Right. I'll go back and they become famous and influential.
Fred Jackson Yes. And I'll go back to the campus protests against Israel. You know, in the wake of what happened in October 2023, you had people cheering for the enemy, for the people who carried out the massacre, but they were not held accountable. They were not held accountable by the universities, and they were not held accountable by the media.
Ed Vitagliano Okay, I saw.
Wesley Wildmon I'll add this. well, I. My comments on the Clancy case, I shared that yesterday, so I won't. I won't revisit that. But I'll just say, in general, we have. A lot of this stems from that idea that Obama's, press secretary said at the time, and that set the. I'm going to connect this here. I'm going to go off and connect it. That Islamic terrorists, that they just had
Ed Vitagliano jobs, you know, that was after the London bombings.
Wesley Wildmon That's right.
Steve Jordahl That they only had.
Wesley Wildmon They only had jobs. Then they wouldn't commit terrorists. This idea, that there are circumstances that can lead to such hedonist crimes. Now, we all know we're influenced by our environment and people around us and, what people say and things like that. but there, There is a. There is a line in humanity, in human humanity that if you cross, really doesn't matter. Well, like Jenna said, it just does not matter what else you could possibly come up with when you chase your kids around a house and you systematically strangle them with an exercise belt. It just, it doesn't matter because here's, From a very pragmatic standpoint. Now I'm going back to what I mentioned yesterday and I'll, I'll stop. But let's just, for sake of argument, let's say that is the case. Okay? Well, you still don't want them out in society. What if they do it again tomorrow?
Ed Vitagliano Let me, let me, let me, let me, jump off that point right there, okay? Because I saw this this morning and looked it up to make sure this was true. And I look at an article here from the Western Journal. This is apparently true. Okay, this is. This is weird. Okay, so in 1954, I don't know if you guys have seen this. There was a woman, 24 year old housewife from Maine, Constance Fisher. She murdered her three children. She drowned them in March of 1954 in a bathtub. While suffering from severe postpartum depression and psychosis. Fisher was declared insane and sent to the Augusta State Hospital. I'm reading now from the summary of this AI generated, but I checked on this Western Journal article and this is true. She was sent to the Augusta State Hospital after being released, cured, I guess, and reconciling with her husband. She had three more children in 1966. She drowned these three children as well, leading to her permanent institutionalization until her death in 1973.
Wesley Wildmon Listen, point I just made this.
Ed Vitagliano It's weird that this is, And the people digging all kinds of stuff up. This echoes this kind of thing.
Case very similar to this one here. Her name was Constance Fisher
I say that because nobody's that. Her defense attorneys, Lindsay Clancy is not saying she didn't do it. The question is, are they responsible for what they have done? And here is a case very eerily similar to this one here. And I don't know what else we can say about this. I, I certainly hope the jury will make some sort of a decision here. but anyway, this also appears on MSN and other news sites too, if you want to look up more.
Steve Jordahl It's.
Ed Vitagliano Her name was Constance Fisher.
Wesley Wildmon All right, no more Clancy.
Marcus Coleman is the father of a young woman killed by an illegal immigrant
What's next?
Ed Vitagliano All right, what do you got?
Steve Jordahl To introduce you to a man named Marcus Coleman. Marcus Coleman is the father of a young lady named Delilah who, back in 2000. Get the right date here. 24. She, was in A car that was rear ended by a truck driver. An 18 wheeler going 60 miles an hour, two permanently disabled. You may have met her during the State of the Union address because she and her father were invited as guests of President Trump. Marcus Coleman, the father, was sitting in front of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, talking about sanctuary city policies. And he had this to say to the Democrats that were sitting on this panel. This is cut 13.
Speaker G I reject your guys's sympathy. To be honest with you. There's no way you guys are sorry. Not one of you guys ever called me M. Not one of you guys have ever reached out to me. Not one of you guys have ever sat there and seen me in the hallways and said, hey, sorry about your daughter. You guys do it right here. While you guys are grandstanding on top of your soapbox, this is when you guys care. Right here inside this room is the only time you guys care. I've never received anything from anybody over here at all regarding my daughter or my family. You guys want to sit there and talk about the pathway to citizenship, There is a pathway. It's not jump the fence and apply. That's not the way it goes. There's a process to get it done. You don't just do that. I can't just go over there and go sit down inside one of those seats and become a Democrat. Oh, you know what? I probably could. I honestly probably could. So I'm not even going to say that. But I can't go inside a hospital and become a doctor just because I want to and go put on a coat and come to work.
Fred Jackson So the driver of the truck was an illegal immigrant. Is that the driver was a connection here?
Steve Jordahl Yes. The driver of trunk was a truck was a, the driver was named. I have it here. Singh was his last name.
Wesley Wildmon I remember this story. Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano it's. You don't find the name that is. But that is the case. It was a illegal immigrant driving a
Steve Jordahl truck and who was given sanctuary in
Wesley Wildmon California when that was her dad that was speaking.
Steve Jordahl Is the audio Partap Singh and an illegal immigrant from India who had obtained a commercial driver's license.
Speaker G Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano So, Fred, this is. Listen, that's bold.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano You're facing these Democrats. Just saying. Don't. Don't pretend like you care. Your policies indicate that you don't care. But also personally, you didn't care about my situation.
Fred Jackson No, no. And we know, it is. When you think of sanctuary cities and you think of sanctuary states, they're all Democrats.
Ed Vitagliano Right.
Fred Jackson And they defend that. They defend that fact. they defend you like the mayor of Chicago. He completely defends and wants to help those people who are in this country illegally and denounces those who criticize him for that policy. We see it in Massachusetts, Boston, that's another NewSong York City. All of these Democrat run cities are, are good being sanctuary cities and protecting these people. And this is not the only case. We had that tragic case in Florida.
Wesley Wildmon That's right.
Fred Jackson In the last year or so, the truck driver. And there were several people killed in that case.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, that's when the 18 wheeler tried to cross the median and then get up to speed in the other, and then was all the way across the interstate.
Fred Jackson And that is why, the Transportation Secretary is working so hard. In fact, there are announcements this week shutting down more than 100 of these truck driving schools which were, which were just a lark. They were, you know, they weren't set up that way and they knew they were not graduating. And I'm putting that in air quotes. They were graduating people, number one, couldn't speak English, couldn't read signs, couldn't read signs in English. All of this stuff has been going on and Democrats for the most part have sat back and we don't care about the consequences because as your dad has said many times, the goal here is to get as many people into the country, get them the legal right to vote and they'll keep us in office forever.
Wesley Wildmon Yep.
Ed Vitagliano Well, Wesley, this is, this is a hard issue in terms of getting public outrage on something like this because this individual whose daughter was, so, terribly injured, permanently injured. That's them. That's a family. Maybe the people who know that family. The actual percentage of voters who are affected by these policies regarding. We're just sticking with the truck drivers here. On the wider, under the wider umbrella of the illegal immigration problem. We could talk about other things. We could talk about gang members, all that. So we could talk about all that. But the percentage of people who are individually impacted is probably very small. And so most Americans probably go, you know, that's terrible, but I'm moving on. That makes this issue kind of hard to kind of get a momentum against. Even in these sanctuary states where you have people, you know, gunned down on this pier or that by illegal immigrants. This is hard to get people interested in this unless they are personally affected like they are with, rising prices, for example, where everyone's affected.
Wesley Wildmon That is true. but on the other hand too, I do think there is at least Some satisfaction too, at the same time of what Trump and his administration is doing to deport and what ICE is doing. There is some visual that is satisfying to help a little bit there.
If or when a significant terrorist attack occurs by illegal immigrants, that would all
But I do understand your point. And there's. I wouldn't disagree with that at all. unfortunately it may take another couple of instances where it's covered in mainstream media, like the truck driver in Florida where he killed the family. You know, a couple of those happen back to back within a couple of weeks or a month. And yeah, you could also too, you know, God forbid this happened. But if or when there is a significant terrorist attack that does take place by somebody that came across the southern border illegally, that would all. I do think that would be.
Ed Vitagliano I think you're right.
Wesley Wildmon I think that would probably be the only possibility to really get people worked up about this. but, but we are making great. I do think we're making good progress in this area.
Ed Vitagliano Trump administration has been homeric, ah, on, on trying to get, illegal individuals, especially those with a criminal, background, to get them out of here.
Wesley Wildmon That's right.
Detroit Tigers have signed Kevin Sosa to a pre-draft agreement
Ed Vitagliano All right, Steve, we got a few minutes left.
Steve Jordahl All right, I want to get, Wesley's thoughts about this. The Detroit Tigers have found a prospect. His name is Kevan Sosa. They have, ah, signed him to what they're calling a, pre. Agreement, that will eventually net him $4 million as a signing bonus. Just to sign a signing bonus. Kevan Sosa is 12 years old.
Wesley Wildmon I think it's for show. I've seen this over the last couple of years where they do this now. Not for how much? Million.
Steve Jordahl Four?
Wesley Wildmon Yeah. Not for $4 million. I haven't seen that before.
Steve Jordahl Well, he's not getting it yet, but he will if he signs.
Wesley Wildmon Yeah. And I'd be interested in that contract. I bet that's going to be delayed until his age. until it, Till the, until he's eligible to be drafted, which is 16.
Ed Vitagliano So, you know, if your dad was here, you know what he would have said? We all know what he would have said. Right after Steve said, he would have said something about his own career. Major League Baseball.
Steve Jordahl When I was 12, he hurt his
Ed Vitagliano knee, but he being scouted and.
Wesley Wildmon Well, this is a cool story. And you're right about that, Ed. This is a cool story. It's fun to follow. I'd be. But again, a lot of this type of stuff, there's contracts involved that they can't get the money until they actually are eligible to be drafted and so on and I don't. But, like, there was a. There was a story back about three years ago where Alabama Crimson Tide football team, Nick Saban, recruited. I don't think he signed them, but that's what it was. He got him to commit, got a. Got an eighth grader to commit to his team. And of course, five years passed, and that football player was not half. It was probably about half the player he was when he was in eighth grade. So so much time's gonna pass there. That kid, he's 12 years old. He's got four years before he's eligible. So I think some of this stuff is for a publicity stunt. Like, what's the professional team? There's.
Ed Vitagliano This is.
Steve Jordahl Detroit Tigers.
Wesley Wildmon Detroit Tigers, yeah. They need some help with some publicity, so this is a good way to do it.
Steve Jordahl You can't remember the name. That's how low on publicity they are.
Wesley Wildmon That is cool, though. It's a cool story. Good job for Kevan. So. So.
Ed Vitagliano Well, and. And to your point, people do change a lot in terms of athletic ability between 12 and 16 or 18. And sometimes that's why young men, we can talk about young women, too, but mostly the young men getting drafted in all kinds of sports. hockey. Let me. I don't know why I'm bringing that up.
Wesley Wildmon I like to hear about Smokey.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, they, they. You get these kids drafted, their number, top draft pick or top 10 draft pick, and they never do make it because you just don't know what you don't know. And what you don't know is how they're going to fare against professional athletes. And, So a lot. A lot can change. So I did see a movie about this,
Wesley Wildmon Did you? With Rookie of the Year?
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, Rookie of the Year, where the broke his arm and then he was
Steve Jordahl pitching from the Babylon Be. Yeah, A, sixth grader has flunked her geography test after Donald Trump renamed everything in the middle of her test.
Ed Vitagliano That's right. Lake America, folks. We're, the AFA cruise. we're going to have an AFA cruise to Lake America coming up in 2027. No, I'm just kidding. That might not be. I don't particularly want to be on a boat anywhere where I can't go somewhere else. All I can do is stay on the boat and eat. Who wants to. Well, wait a second. Maybe I had to rethink this. All right, folks, that's all we've got for today's issues. Today, more great programming directly ahead on American Family Radio. And Lord willing. We hope you will join us again tomorrow for more of today's issues.
Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Ed Vitagliano
Fred Jackson Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Ed Vitagliano.
Ed Vitagliano And welcome back to Today's Issues. Ed Vitagliano sitting in for Tim Wildmon today. He should be back in the captain's chair tomorrow. I'm, joined in studio by Fred Jackson and Wesley Wildmon and Steve Paisley. Jordal comes in with his shirt. Pa. Paisley to the hilt.
Steve Jordahl It is. Today's a paisley day.
Ed Vitagliano It is Paisley. Is that, Is that new?
Speaker D No.
Ed Vitagliano You got the pants that match kind of. What, what, what color is that?
Wesley Wildmon Yellow?
Ed Vitagliano That yellow? Ah, yellowish. What I would call it yellowish.
Steve Jordahl I'd have to check with my wife to have the exact, like, mauve, whatever color. Pew.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah. Anyway, you look sharp as usual.
Fred Jackson Thank you.
A Massachusetts woman is accused of jury tampering in the Lindsay Clancy case
Ed Vitagliano All right, good. So, head to the stories.
Steve Jordahl I know you guys were talking last hour with, Jenna, Ellis about this Lindsay, classy case and the women who have made heroes out of this lady. One of them, her name is dawn light, is a 56 year old retired registered nurse. She's from Sutton, Massachusetts, and she calls herself a crime junkie. She was also, following the Alex Murdaugh case and the Karen Reed case, and she has been arrested. She's been arrested for jury tampering and, intimidation. What she did was she parked her blue Toyota in a restricted employee parking area, started taking photographs or videotapes of the people, the jurors, leaving the courthouse in the current case here in the Lindsay Clancy case. And, so she has been arrested and she is being charged. prosecutors are looking for a $50,000 cash bail. but the judge released her on her own recognizance. She was ordered to stay away from the courthouse. So, this continues. I just got off the phone with, a young lady from a national religious broadcaster. She was Bethany Miller. She's talking about the same thing you guys were talking about last hour about these women. how does one become a fan of a mass murderer? I want to start with the Daily Wire was doing a man on the street interviews. And I'll give you the male perspective. First of all, this is what most guys, will be thinking, when you talk about this case. Cut 15.
Speaker F Two things. Number one, if you think that men are holding women to too high of standards and your poster child is Lindsay Clancy. How low do you want the standard to be? The only thing we're asking she refrain from doing is killing the kids when her husband goes out to get her m medications. Is that too much to ask for? Is that a Leviathan Lift for you. Please don't kill the kids while we're out getting bananas. And number two, you can't have it both ways.
Ed Vitagliano Okay?
Speaker F The same women that are standing outside of the courthouse railing on and on about how her husband should have intervened and taken control of her medications and, God forbid, involuntarily had her committed and separated from her children would have been the same women who, if he had done that, would have said handmaid's tail.
Ed Vitagliano Who is that?
Steve Jordahl This is just a guy. The man, on the street. The guy. Very loquacious.
Fred Jackson Wow.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah.
Steve Jordahl Good communicator. so, he's obviously given some thought to this fan club, status of these women. So, anyway, Bethany Miller, who's a, She's. What's she called? An influencer. She is the Gen, Z messaging strategist and communication director for national religious broadcasters for nrv. And she says that this is taking advantage of something that God designed. you know, the enemy is always looking to corrupt God's design. God designed women to have compassion, and this is compassion, to an unhealthy degree. Listen to cut 14.
Speaker D Well, you know, we know that women are gifted in a certain way with empathy, and that is a beautiful thing. As you know, Scripture has called women to be, you know, mothers and nurturers and gifted in a different facet than men are. But of course, in the world we live in, our fleshly state that can be weaponized and manipulated. All of a sudden, the fingers were pointed at men, and the fingers are saying, well, men were toxic. And so then it was, all of a sudden, women must be empowered, and women must be, you know, equal, and we must have equal rights days, and we must, you know, have all these things. And it's funny because it's never enough. If you notice that women have access more than anything to anything. And it's still never enough. And it went from I should be able to abort my baby, who I've had conceived in rape, to I should be able to murder my children because I was depressed. And with women, it is seeping in. The secular narrative is seeping in to women through emotion, and it is weaponizing and manipulating on women's emotions and prying on it. And it's working, and it's compelling, and it's attaching through narratives and social media angles, and women are responding to it tenfold.
Steve Jordahl It's an issue with social media that is bringing this on. Tick tock. Particularly, she says.
Woman from Massachusetts accused of trying to intimidate jury with videotape
Ed Vitagliano All right, so first I want to mention the. The first Part of your story here, this lady from Massachusetts.
Steve Jordahl Yes.
Ed Vitagliano I'm just embarrassed, embarrassed to say this as someone, who's born in Melrose, Massachusetts, that these Massachusetts people are just cray cray. All right, so she was trying to intimidate the jury. That's what she's been arrested.
Steve Jordahl That's what she's been charged with. I don't think she was videotaping
Ed Vitagliano and taking pictures of the jury when they went in.
Speaker G Out.
Steve Jordahl Went in and out. Yes. So I, I don't think she was actually contacting or threatening the jurors,
Ed Vitagliano but just that action.
Steve Jordahl Yeah, it was.
Ed Vitagliano You're walking in and someone's videotaping taking your picture. You're wondering, what are they going to do with that? Maybe they're going to try to hunt down my identity and show up. Yeah. Dox them. All right, so that, that's a strange part of this story.
Fred Zakim: Let's talk about one woman who strangled her kids
Fred, let me get your take first on this, you know, what hearing. Listen, I appreciate all these, all these kinds of conversations. First the guy on the street, then the influencer from nrb. My take on all this is, okay, we can have conversations about these general trends and what women are thinking and the influence of social media. I just want to talk about this one case, you know, I just want to talk about what this one lady, Lindsey Clancy did. Do we really have to drag in all the sociological and psychological debates that are going on? Let's just talk about what this one woman did. She strangled her kids. Does this have to be something we tie to all the other maybe. Listen, people, that's their job to do that, to tie this to other things going on. That's not what I'm thinking about, you
Fred Jackson know, just giving this some thought. When I was growing up, I'm an old guy now, 70 plus. All right. For the most part, whether you voted for a liberal party or conservative party, politically, there was a general community consensus on what was right and wrong. All right. And I can't remember these kinds of debates going on. So you ask yourself, well, what has changed? And what has changed is that more and more people in, our society are giving themselves the right to decide what is right and wrong. We're losing that anchor that we had. And I would say basic, based on scripture on what is right and wrong. Now all of a sudden I'm going to decide what is right and wrong based on the majority of what I read on social media. So it's not only this case, but you think of Luigi Mangione, right? All right, this is the CEO of United Health Care Net. Cheerleaders in the court when he was arrested, cheerleaders in the court saying, you did the right thing because those insurance companies, they are terrible.
Wesley Wildmon Right.
Fred Jackson You did the right thing for us also. You know, when you. When you look at, you look at the Lindsey Clancy case, you look at Tyler Robinson. Now, he has not been found guilty yet. however, his social media posts, we know he didn't like what Charlie Kirk was saying.
Steve Jordahl He's the gentleman been accused of shooting Charlie Kirk.
Fred Jackson That's what I'm saying. He hasn't been found, but in his media posts, he talked about. He didn't like. He thought Charlie Kirk's comments were hateful. so if he is found guilty, we have to look at his mental state and his mental state, perhaps based on, okay, I have a right to do this for the good of society. I have a right to do this kind of thing.
Ed Vitagliano Obligation.
Fred Jackson So our anchor to what I believe is a scriptural basis of what is right and wrong has been dismissed. Now everybody decides on their own what
Steve Jordahl is right and wrong in their own mind.
Fred Jackson It's very narcissistic in their own mind. But the other problem is right now, we're also living in a culture where many of these people are not held accountable. They're cheerleaded on.
Ed Vitagliano Right. I'll go back and they become famous and influential.
Fred Jackson Yes. And I'll go back to the campus protests against Israel. You know, in the wake of what happened in October 2023, you had people cheering for the enemy, for the people who carried out the massacre, but they were not held accountable. They were not held accountable by the universities, and they were not held accountable by the media.
Ed Vitagliano Okay, I saw.
Wesley Wildmon I'll add this. well, I. My comments on the Clancy case, I shared that yesterday, so I won't. I won't revisit that. But I'll just say, in general, we have. A lot of this stems from that idea that Obama's, press secretary said at the time, and that set the. I'm going to connect this here. I'm going to go off and connect it. That Islamic terrorists, that they just had
Ed Vitagliano jobs, you know, that was after the London bombings.
Wesley Wildmon That's right.
Steve Jordahl That they only had.
Wesley Wildmon They only had jobs. Then they wouldn't commit terrorists. This idea, that there are circumstances that can lead to such hedonist crimes. Now, we all know we're influenced by our environment and people around us and, what people say and things like that. but there, There is a. There is a line in humanity, in human humanity that if you cross, really doesn't matter. Well, like Jenna said, it just does not matter what else you could possibly come up with when you chase your kids around a house and you systematically strangle them with an exercise belt. It just, it doesn't matter because here's, From a very pragmatic standpoint. Now I'm going back to what I mentioned yesterday and I'll, I'll stop. But let's just, for sake of argument, let's say that is the case. Okay? Well, you still don't want them out in society. What if they do it again tomorrow?
Ed Vitagliano Let me, let me, let me, let me, jump off that point right there, okay? Because I saw this this morning and looked it up to make sure this was true. And I look at an article here from the Western Journal. This is apparently true. Okay, this is. This is weird. Okay, so in 1954, I don't know if you guys have seen this. There was a woman, 24 year old housewife from Maine, Constance Fisher. She murdered her three children. She drowned them in March of 1954 in a bathtub. While suffering from severe postpartum depression and psychosis. Fisher was declared insane and sent to the Augusta State Hospital. I'm reading now from the summary of this AI generated, but I checked on this Western Journal article and this is true. She was sent to the Augusta State Hospital after being released, cured, I guess, and reconciling with her husband. She had three more children in 1966. She drowned these three children as well, leading to her permanent institutionalization until her death in 1973.
Wesley Wildmon Listen, point I just made this.
Ed Vitagliano It's weird that this is, And the people digging all kinds of stuff up. This echoes this kind of thing.
Case very similar to this one here. Her name was Constance Fisher
I say that because nobody's that. Her defense attorneys, Lindsay Clancy is not saying she didn't do it. The question is, are they responsible for what they have done? And here is a case very eerily similar to this one here. And I don't know what else we can say about this. I, I certainly hope the jury will make some sort of a decision here. but anyway, this also appears on MSN and other news sites too, if you want to look up more.
Steve Jordahl It's.
Ed Vitagliano Her name was Constance Fisher.
Wesley Wildmon All right, no more Clancy.
Marcus Coleman is the father of a young woman killed by an illegal immigrant
What's next?
Ed Vitagliano All right, what do you got?
Steve Jordahl To introduce you to a man named Marcus Coleman. Marcus Coleman is the father of a young lady named Delilah who, back in 2000. Get the right date here. 24. She, was in A car that was rear ended by a truck driver. An 18 wheeler going 60 miles an hour, two permanently disabled. You may have met her during the State of the Union address because she and her father were invited as guests of President Trump. Marcus Coleman, the father, was sitting in front of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, talking about sanctuary city policies. And he had this to say to the Democrats that were sitting on this panel. This is cut 13.
Speaker G I reject your guys's sympathy. To be honest with you. There's no way you guys are sorry. Not one of you guys ever called me M. Not one of you guys have ever reached out to me. Not one of you guys have ever sat there and seen me in the hallways and said, hey, sorry about your daughter. You guys do it right here. While you guys are grandstanding on top of your soapbox, this is when you guys care. Right here inside this room is the only time you guys care. I've never received anything from anybody over here at all regarding my daughter or my family. You guys want to sit there and talk about the pathway to citizenship, There is a pathway. It's not jump the fence and apply. That's not the way it goes. There's a process to get it done. You don't just do that. I can't just go over there and go sit down inside one of those seats and become a Democrat. Oh, you know what? I probably could. I honestly probably could. So I'm not even going to say that. But I can't go inside a hospital and become a doctor just because I want to and go put on a coat and come to work.
Fred Jackson So the driver of the truck was an illegal immigrant. Is that the driver was a connection here?
Steve Jordahl Yes. The driver of trunk was a truck was a, the driver was named. I have it here. Singh was his last name.
Wesley Wildmon I remember this story. Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano it's. You don't find the name that is. But that is the case. It was a illegal immigrant driving a
Steve Jordahl truck and who was given sanctuary in
Wesley Wildmon California when that was her dad that was speaking.
Steve Jordahl Is the audio Partap Singh and an illegal immigrant from India who had obtained a commercial driver's license.
Speaker G Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano So, Fred, this is. Listen, that's bold.
Fred Jackson Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano You're facing these Democrats. Just saying. Don't. Don't pretend like you care. Your policies indicate that you don't care. But also personally, you didn't care about my situation.
Fred Jackson No, no. And we know, it is. When you think of sanctuary cities and you think of sanctuary states, they're all Democrats.
Ed Vitagliano Right.
Fred Jackson And they defend that. They defend that fact. they defend you like the mayor of Chicago. He completely defends and wants to help those people who are in this country illegally and denounces those who criticize him for that policy. We see it in Massachusetts, Boston, that's another NewSong York City. All of these Democrat run cities are, are good being sanctuary cities and protecting these people. And this is not the only case. We had that tragic case in Florida.
Wesley Wildmon That's right.
Fred Jackson In the last year or so, the truck driver. And there were several people killed in that case.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, that's when the 18 wheeler tried to cross the median and then get up to speed in the other, and then was all the way across the interstate.
Fred Jackson And that is why, the Transportation Secretary is working so hard. In fact, there are announcements this week shutting down more than 100 of these truck driving schools which were, which were just a lark. They were, you know, they weren't set up that way and they knew they were not graduating. And I'm putting that in air quotes. They were graduating people, number one, couldn't speak English, couldn't read signs, couldn't read signs in English. All of this stuff has been going on and Democrats for the most part have sat back and we don't care about the consequences because as your dad has said many times, the goal here is to get as many people into the country, get them the legal right to vote and they'll keep us in office forever.
Wesley Wildmon Yep.
Ed Vitagliano Well, Wesley, this is, this is a hard issue in terms of getting public outrage on something like this because this individual whose daughter was, so, terribly injured, permanently injured. That's them. That's a family. Maybe the people who know that family. The actual percentage of voters who are affected by these policies regarding. We're just sticking with the truck drivers here. On the wider, under the wider umbrella of the illegal immigration problem. We could talk about other things. We could talk about gang members, all that. So we could talk about all that. But the percentage of people who are individually impacted is probably very small. And so most Americans probably go, you know, that's terrible, but I'm moving on. That makes this issue kind of hard to kind of get a momentum against. Even in these sanctuary states where you have people, you know, gunned down on this pier or that by illegal immigrants. This is hard to get people interested in this unless they are personally affected like they are with, rising prices, for example, where everyone's affected.
Wesley Wildmon That is true. but on the other hand too, I do think there is at least Some satisfaction too, at the same time of what Trump and his administration is doing to deport and what ICE is doing. There is some visual that is satisfying to help a little bit there.
If or when a significant terrorist attack occurs by illegal immigrants, that would all
But I do understand your point. And there's. I wouldn't disagree with that at all. unfortunately it may take another couple of instances where it's covered in mainstream media, like the truck driver in Florida where he killed the family. You know, a couple of those happen back to back within a couple of weeks or a month. And yeah, you could also too, you know, God forbid this happened. But if or when there is a significant terrorist attack that does take place by somebody that came across the southern border illegally, that would all. I do think that would be.
Ed Vitagliano I think you're right.
Wesley Wildmon I think that would probably be the only possibility to really get people worked up about this. but, but we are making great. I do think we're making good progress in this area.
Ed Vitagliano Trump administration has been homeric, ah, on, on trying to get, illegal individuals, especially those with a criminal, background, to get them out of here.
Wesley Wildmon That's right.
Detroit Tigers have signed Kevin Sosa to a pre-draft agreement
Ed Vitagliano All right, Steve, we got a few minutes left.
Steve Jordahl All right, I want to get, Wesley's thoughts about this. The Detroit Tigers have found a prospect. His name is Kevan Sosa. They have, ah, signed him to what they're calling a, pre. Agreement, that will eventually net him $4 million as a signing bonus. Just to sign a signing bonus. Kevan Sosa is 12 years old.
Wesley Wildmon I think it's for show. I've seen this over the last couple of years where they do this now. Not for how much? Million.
Steve Jordahl Four?
Wesley Wildmon Yeah. Not for $4 million. I haven't seen that before.
Steve Jordahl Well, he's not getting it yet, but he will if he signs.
Wesley Wildmon Yeah. And I'd be interested in that contract. I bet that's going to be delayed until his age. until it, Till the, until he's eligible to be drafted, which is 16.
Ed Vitagliano So, you know, if your dad was here, you know what he would have said? We all know what he would have said. Right after Steve said, he would have said something about his own career. Major League Baseball.
Steve Jordahl When I was 12, he hurt his
Ed Vitagliano knee, but he being scouted and.
Wesley Wildmon Well, this is a cool story. And you're right about that, Ed. This is a cool story. It's fun to follow. I'd be. But again, a lot of this type of stuff, there's contracts involved that they can't get the money until they actually are eligible to be drafted and so on and I don't. But, like, there was a. There was a story back about three years ago where Alabama Crimson Tide football team, Nick Saban, recruited. I don't think he signed them, but that's what it was. He got him to commit, got a. Got an eighth grader to commit to his team. And of course, five years passed, and that football player was not half. It was probably about half the player he was when he was in eighth grade. So so much time's gonna pass there. That kid, he's 12 years old. He's got four years before he's eligible. So I think some of this stuff is for a publicity stunt. Like, what's the professional team? There's.
Ed Vitagliano This is.
Steve Jordahl Detroit Tigers.
Wesley Wildmon Detroit Tigers, yeah. They need some help with some publicity, so this is a good way to do it.
Steve Jordahl You can't remember the name. That's how low on publicity they are.
Wesley Wildmon That is cool, though. It's a cool story. Good job for Kevan. So. So.
Ed Vitagliano Well, and. And to your point, people do change a lot in terms of athletic ability between 12 and 16 or 18. And sometimes that's why young men, we can talk about young women, too, but mostly the young men getting drafted in all kinds of sports. hockey. Let me. I don't know why I'm bringing that up.
Wesley Wildmon I like to hear about Smokey.
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, they, they. You get these kids drafted, their number, top draft pick or top 10 draft pick, and they never do make it because you just don't know what you don't know. And what you don't know is how they're going to fare against professional athletes. And, So a lot. A lot can change. So I did see a movie about this,
Wesley Wildmon Did you? With Rookie of the Year?
Ed Vitagliano Yeah, Rookie of the Year, where the broke his arm and then he was
Steve Jordahl pitching from the Babylon Be. Yeah, A, sixth grader has flunked her geography test after Donald Trump renamed everything in the middle of her test.
Ed Vitagliano That's right. Lake America, folks. We're, the AFA cruise. we're going to have an AFA cruise to Lake America coming up in 2027. No, I'm just kidding. That might not be. I don't particularly want to be on a boat anywhere where I can't go somewhere else. All I can do is stay on the boat and eat. Who wants to. Well, wait a second. Maybe I had to rethink this. All right, folks, that's all we've got for today's issues. Today, more great programming directly ahead on American Family Radio. And Lord willing. We hope you will join us again tomorrow for more of today's issues.
Ed Vitagliano hosts with Fred Jackson, Wesley Wildmon, and Steve Jordahl. Marcus Coleman, a legal immigrant from India, delivers powerful testimony to the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, rejecting sympathy from Democrats and condemning sanctuary city policies after an illegal immigrant truck driver rear-ended his daughter Delilah's car at sixty miles per hour and permanently disabled her. The panel discusses why immigration-related tragedies struggle to maintain broad public momentum compared to universal issues like rising prices, while acknowledging the Trump administration's deportation efforts. The program also examines the disturbing fan following that has emerged around accused child-killer Lindsay Clancy, including the arrest of supporter Dawn Light for allegedly photographing jurors outside the courthouse. Bethany Miller, Gen Z messaging strategist for National Religious Broadcasters, explains how social media platforms are manipulating women's natural compassion into unhealthy advocacy. Fred Jackson connects this trend to a broader erosion of objective moral standards, citing the 1954 Constance Fisher case as a sobering historical parallel. The episode closes with discussion of the Detroit Tigers signing twelve-year-old baseball prospect Kevin Sosa to a multi-million-dollar pre-agreement.
Chapter Markers
(00:00:57) Lindsay Clancy Case and Jury Tampering Arrest
(00:02:02) Bethany Miller on Social Media and Empathy
(00:05:55) Fred Jackson on Moral Relativism and the Constance Fisher Case
(00:13:19) Marcus Coleman Testimony on Sanctuary Cities
(00:20:19) Detroit Tigers Sign 12-Year-Old Prospect Kevin Sosa
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