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John Cardillo says Democrats are looking for an excuse to impeach Trump

Jenna Ellis: Good morning. It is Thursday, January 8th, and already, we are in a lot of controversy, across the country. And there is a big breaking story with a fatality in Minneapolis, Minnesota after a woman in a vehicle appeared to target an ICE agent. the videos are out with a lot of different angles actually across social media, so you can go and look for yourself. you don't have to just rely on reports or other people's opinions and so forth. But the Wall Street Journal is reporting a U.S. immigration and Customs Enforcement officer fatally shot a woman during an operation in Minneapolis on Wednesday, leading federal and city officials sparring over what caused the deadly encounter. The Department of Homeland Security said that the woman attempted to run over law enforcement officers and that an agent fired in self defense. of course the left, while they held a candlelight vigil for, the, the political violence against officers on, on the anniversary of January 6, literally the next day on January 7, are suggesting that federal officers don't have a right to defend themselves against violence. And so my opinion is that the Democrats have never tried to be consistent on this. They are just looking for their next impeachment excuse. that's really all that it is. And if Republicans fail to win the midterms, then what they should expect over the last two years of the Trump administration is just defending against, a flurry of impeachments and a lot of, different distractions. So, for more on this, let's welcome in John Cardillo. He is a GOP strategist and former NYPD officer.

John Cardillo says Minneapolis shooting was perfectly legal use of deadly force

So John, first, before we get to kind of the political fallout, let's talk just about what was going on here. Because I think after watching a variety of angles, of this, it was very clear, at least to me, that the the officer that was standing in front of the vehicle had to get out of the way as, this woman allegedly was trying purposefully to impede officers from doing their job. And so this, this clearly looked like self defense. So, you know, is it just that the Democrats are trying to cause drama?

John Cardillo: Yeah, I mean, good morning, Jenny. Yeah, absolutely.

John Cardillo: Look like you. I watched every angle and you know, over the years being on air, I don't know, 15 or so years, I've typically defended law enforcement, and there have been instances where I haven't. But this was a clear cut, perfectly acceptable and within policy use of deadly force. A vehicle is a weapon. More people are killed by cars every year than, you know, in accidents and hit runs, etcetera, Than by firearms in the United States. And so a car is a deadly weapon. There's this moronic narrative was created during the Obama administration and it's been furthered by radical leftists like Jacob Fry, the mayor and Tim Waltz and all of these lunatics, that it's okay to attack the police without consequence, unless you're Ashley Babbitt, an unarmed woman climbing through a window. Then when you get shot in the neck and murdered by a police officer, and I use that term very loosely with zero firearms, discipline, fired toward his own people, then it's okay. Then you're celebrated, you're promoted, you're given awards when you're that police officer. But when you use deadly force appropriately to protect yourselves and others, other Leos, members of the community, as was done in Minneapolis, then you're demonized, you're villainized. It's so preposterous that people can watch these videos again from all the angles and come to any other conclusion than perfectly appropriate use of deadly force.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and I think that's absolutely true. And if we were a reasonable, rational society that actually cared about facts before narrat, then this would be, of course, a tragic situation. It would be an unfortunate situation that, that a woman was killed. But people would at least come to the same conclusion, based on the facts and evidence and not just their preferred political narrative. And what we saw yesterday with, Mayor Jacob Fry's response, with Tim Wall's response, with, you know, the Democrats, m Just, you know, literally, protesting this. And now, you know, reports are suggesting that this morning that, you know, there are a lot more, riots and other things going on in Minneapolis, it just goes to show that the left wants a narrative, and they will make anyone, regardless of their motives or their history, a hero. I mean, this has shades of George Floyd. Right, because that was their hero back in 2020. And now this woman, who was a 37 year old woman, A, witness at the scene said she was actually leading a protest in using her vehicle to block ICE agents from conducting the operation. And the witness added her goal was to impede ICE officers. I mean, this shouldn't be a hero.

John Cardillo: No, she's not a hero at all. And I'm sorry, but. And this may offend some people, I wouldn't even use the word unfortunate. Everything that led up to that woman's death was precipitated or was facilitated rather by her. She caused in every step of that process from getting behind the wheel with the intent to block protests and if need be, run down federal law enforcement officers were decisions she made cognizantly and intentionally. And so everything leading up to her death was caused by her. I don't even consider the situation, unfortunately. I think it's unfortunate for the PTSD the agents will have, but that woman went out that morning and every action she took, a rational human being would have said, this is probably going to result in me getting shot or spending decades in prison. She didn't care. She did it anyway. And again, I'm going to go back to Barack Obama. He legitimized all of this. He was the one who created a national permissive attitude amongst these savages that it's okay to burn down cities. The police won't do anything, it's okay to try to run them over. The police will get in trouble if they get out of the car to stop you. Well, those days are over. But these morons don't seem to understand that. And I think we're still gonna see more of this as they test the limits. But, but remember, whenever there's an appropriate use of deadly force, the person on the receiving end, they were the ones who committed the act that led up to that. And so placing any blame on, on the ICE agents is, to me, it's just simply ludicrous.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, I agree. And it's really unfortunate that when, federal officers, you know, whether they're traditional police officers, whether they're ICE agents, you know, regardless of what their specific role is, when they have to use this kind of force that automatically, it's now somehow, suspect and it has a chance of potentially ruining their careers. I mean, you know, look at, what happened again in the George Floyd instance. I think it's, it's a horrendous miscarriage of justice. that, that Officer is, is now behind bars, you know, likely for life. I mean, that. That's just an utterly, terrible outcome, when you have the facts that ultimately came out. And, And so, thankfully, it appears that ICE and Secretary Noem are, I mean, they're following protocols, of course, in this situation, but hopefully, there won't be any additional, penalties for this officer for, you know, what was, I think, clearly self defense.

Jeffrey Fry: Minnesota fraud scandal distracts from other national stories

But moving to the political angle as well. I mean, there are a lot of, speculation that this, this type of instance was just the left looking to then, you know, use something to create this type of narrative. first of all, to distract, of course, from, the triumphs that Donald Trump has had in Venezuela. And then the utter, the other, the just the ridiculous headlines for the Democrats that are coming out of Minnesota with Tim Walls. I mean, this gave him something else to talk about besides defending against the allegations of fraud. And so it seem convenient that the left suddenly has something that then everybody is talking about instead of what we should be talking about, which is Venezuela and the Minnesota fraud.

John Cardillo: Well, yeah, I mean, Tim Waltz should be in prison. Why? And I would assume that at this point, DOJ has taken a long, hard look at him. I don't know. I didn't speak to any of some of our mutual friends in D.C. but, just understanding how investigations and law enforcement work, this is so overwhelming that he was either complicit or the most grossly incompetent public official in the history of the United States to allow, you know, billions upon billions upon billions in fraud happen under his nose. As governor, he never sat down with state auditors in a routine meeting once a quarter, as every other governor on the planet does. There is no State Controller or CFO that said, hey, wait a second, 18 billion with a B dollars is missing here. And so I think if we live in a country now with a, fair of justice, there should be multiple federal indictments in Minnesota, starting with Tim Walsh throughout his finance team, agency heads, etc. Because people don't steal $18 billion unless politicians are reaping some reward that's discovered, right? Bernie Madoff's fraud was about what was 50 something billion that went on. Eventually it was discovered, right? We had a Ponzi schemer here in South Florida, Scott Rothstein. That was a billion and a half dollars that was discovered after a couple of years. This went on for decades. And the only way that happened, Jenna, is if there are people in government complicit and assisting in the fraud. And so, yeah, we should be talking about Minnesota M even more than Venezuela. Venezuela was a success. Right? We got the bad guy. He's going to go on trial. I think the major national story here right now is Minnesota. I mean, this is just so representative of the corruption in the Democratic Party and how the news media has glossed over it. Well, now they can't. So to me, that's the primary story in the nation right now.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, I fully agree. And, yet then you have this instance yesterday and this situation that now the Democrats, of course, are calling, you know, for impeachments of Secretary Noem and you know, all this other ridiculous stuff that they'll follow up on, by the way, if they get into office in 2026 and take over the majority, these are the kinds of pretexts that they will use. And meanwhile, the Republicans have actual fraud. They have everything that they need not only to investigate, but to actually call for resignations. they have everything that they need in order to have some accountability. You know, Congress needs to, to act in terms of appropriating and not appropriating federal dollars and all of these things. And yet Republicans are this morning, you know, just going along with the narrative of the media that the Democrats want. And it's like they are so inept at being able to focus on what the actual story is and actually accomplish anything because they go along with a five second news cycle as well.

John Cardillo: Oh, 100%. I mean, today's report, you and I have spoken about this ad nauseam. Today's Republicans, they are completely ignorant when it comes to pulling the levers of power. Right. Tim Walsh should have been in front of a congressional committee along with every other financial official from the state of Minnesota. They should be there now as their city is burning, so that the incompetent Mayor Fry, he can stay there and look like a failure. But they should all be in front of Congress when, when Republicans have power, they, it's not that they don't use it, they refuse to use it. Right. It's incredibly frustrating because there's this misguided naivete that the Democrats are going to love them one day. If we don't hit the Democrats, they won't hit us. Well, newsflash. Right now as we sit here, I think we're going to get crushed in the midterms for a multitude of reasons. And Speaker Jeffries will make Speaker Pelosi look like a moderate you can work with. He's a NewSong York radical. I Know the guy's history. He will impeach night and day. He will shut the country down just to go scorched earth on Republicans. As Mike Johnson and John Boone sit there thinking they're going to be able to make deals with these demons. It is so frustrating. But I have to put part of the blame on President Trump for this one. Great job in Venezuela, horrible instincts in pushing soon, Johnson, Lyndon Johnson to run Congress and honestly, Joe Cruders to run the rnc. He was the chairman of the Republican Party of Florida. Gruders is as squish as it gets. He'll make Michael Steele looked like a real conservative. So in terms of leadership, I think Trump made a very big mistake with those three picks.

Jenna Ellis: M. Yeah, I agree. And it's been very frustrating to see how lackluster, Congress has been. And I think while Trump has done a, ah, lot, I mean, maybe not everything, but, you know, a lot that he can. On the executive side, Congress needs to act. they haven't codified any of these executive orders. In fact, they even voted to overturn one. I mean, with, with some Republican help. I mean, that's how bad Congress is at actually following the Trump mandate that puts themselves into power and so, so heading in to 2026. I mean, I agree with you and that there are a multitude of reasons that at least at this juncture, as we're sitting here on January 8, it looks like Republicans are poised to lose the midterms, and lose it pretty bad. And that will be the eventual outcome, that a Speaker Jeffries is going to just distract President Trump from doing anything else and then Congress from doing anything else. So what's, what is the solution if Republicans decide to figure it out?

John Cardillo: I mean, I think they have to just take the Democrat playbook and use it against them. Go scorch the earth. Like, there is absolutely no reason Tim Walsh shouldn't be in front of Congress. There was absolutely no reason that Joe Biden's entire family wasn't in front of Congress. You know, people say, well, it turns voters off. Maybe it does, but it's good for the country. You can have one side always wielding power and the other side not, oh, the other side always wanting to play nice and acquiesce. Right.

John Cardillo: And so I think, but I think Republicans need to. And I don't think. I know Republicans need to start pulling those levers of power, but there is no way in the world the Republicans to do that are John Thune and Mike Johnson. They've Proven to US Now, Kevan McCarthy was a tougher speaker than Mike Johnson. And I never thought I would say that about Kevan McCarthy.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, you and me both. I mean, I was, There was no love lost there when he was ousted as Speaker. and, you know, knowing Mike Johnson personally, I thought he would be a lot, at least tougher on standing on principle and, and whipping the majority at least into line on that front, rather than just what seems to be, you know, kind of a life coach of Congress. I mean, when he went on the One podcast with his wife and was talking about how, you know, he takes phone calls all the time from disgruntled members, and I'm thinking that's not your job at all, just to sit there and, like, listen, be the counselor of Congress. I mean, that's not what any. Any speaker is supposed to do. but.

Could the states, on a redistricting front save the majority for Republicans

But when we look also at the. The thing that. The one silver lining that may affect Republicans, that's redistricting. And Governor DeSantis, just announced yesterday that he's calling for a special session so that Florida can redistrict. there are a couple of other states looking at that that may give Republicans an advantage. could the states, on a redistricting front save the majority?

John Cardillo: Yeah, I mean, look, Florida. Florida is the tip of the spear for American conservatism. Right. So connect the dots. So, Governor DeSantis, he's always led from the front. The guy is fearless. He doesn't worry about polls, and he understands the levers of power. Okay, so now we're talking about a whole different kind of Republican animal. Ron DeSantis understands how to use both the United States Constitution and the Constitution of State of Florida to achieve conservative wins. You're seeing it with redistricting, one of the things he's passionate about, and he spoke about it in a press conference the other day on a bill to end insider trading in Congress sponsored by Representative Annapolina Luna. Which is a phenomenal bill. Right, because we'd be in federal prison for trading on the information that members of Congress are able to trade on every day. When Luna told, the crowd about the returns Congress was seeing, Nancy Pelosi was seeing returns 15,000 times better than the S and P. In some cases, the average member of Congress sees returns 600 times better than the average American investor. It doesn't take, you know, a rocket scientist to know they're trading on inside info. And so DeSantis is in front of that, and he's putting state Laws in place for members of Congress have to check boxes. Will you trade stocks fall in office, yes or no? And when they're up for reelection, did you trade while in office, yes or no? So, so little things like that matter. Right, Jenna? and I think redistricting is going to be tremendous for Florida. We'll have a strong congressional delegation, but the rest of the country isn't doing it. California is going in reverse. States like Washington and Oregon are hopeless. And sadly, states like North Carolina still elect Democrats. And so unless the whole country develops a Florida Ron DeSantis mindset, I don't have a lot of hope for the current Republican Party.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. Yeah, well said. And, you know, it really is unfortunate that, we have Florida as such a model and that other red states have not woken up in the last eight years of Governor DeSantis tenure to, to actually say, you know what, maybe we should follow his playbook and, and get it together and be as strong as we, we can. because if the states would actually do that, that would affect a lot of, the national politics and maybe, just maybe, we could return to some aspects of federalism. But, John Cardillo, we got to take a break here. Always appreciate your time. We'll be right back with more.

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New House bill could trigger self deportation for Somali refugees amid Minnesota fraud probe

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Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. Well, the biggest story in the country definitely is the Somali and Minnesota Fraud probe and a new House GOP bill could trigger self deportation for Somali refugees amid that Minnesota fraud probe. This headline coming from Fox News and it is sponsored by Representative Wesley Hunt, a Republican from Texas who is also running for Senate. He introduced the bill on Tuesday that would terminate temporary Protected status or TPS from Sudan, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon and Somalia. Immigrants from those countries currently in the US on refugee status would be forced to self deport within 180 days of the bill's enactment. And he said, to Fox News Digital, it's important that we ensure that those entering our country are properly vetted and they clearly have not been properly vetted. So what we are trying to do is ensure that we address this and we stop this. So for more let's go to Ryan Gierduski. He is the host of the Numbers Game podcast. And Ryan, I think this is a great idea and hopefully Congress will actually do something and follow through.

Ryan Girdusky: Well, I mean a number of these TPSs have already expired actually are on their way to expire within the year. President Trump has ended. Most TPS and TPS for Somalians rather is fairly small. There is about 106,000 Somalians in the country and there's just a few hundred who are on tps. So it's not going to be, I think as groundbreaking or as game changing as people would like it. But what I would sit there and emphasize is that when you have all these government programs, especially related to children themes, there is this big emphasis to really commit fraud I guess, among the Somali community. And what I've been hearing is that the voucher programs in Minnesota around education are the next unfettered area where there's massive amounts of fraud in the Somali community.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And I mean isn't the core issue here that Republicans are trying to, to protect the not only the integrity of the refugee system and I think that there needs a lot of reform on that, but also with somebody like Wesley Hunt introducing this, going along with the Trump mandate for a better, more safe and effective border and also the mass deportations that he promised.

Ryan Girdusky: Well, I mean the nation changes the tps, the TPS laws. TPS means temporary, the first word of Temporary Protected Status. Somalians started getting TPS in America in 1991. Well, how mean, how temporary? I mean, is it. I mean there are, that's why there are so few actual Somalians on TPS still. It says most have gotten citizenship by this point and switched status. So I mean, I would Rather have a sunset, a mandated sunset of all TPS programs after just a little while. Because, the amount of fraud that goes into any TPS program. There was a story from the Washington Post about Guatemalans who were illegally already in the country. And I think it was an earthquake in Guatemala happened and they applied for TPS and received it even though they weren't even in Guatemala at the time. So the program is riddled with fraud. Beginning with. But mandating an automatic sunset, regardless of what's going on in that country, would probably be more effective, than this. I mean, I'm happy Wesley Hunt's doing it. it's not going to be as groundbreaking or as game changing as it would be, like 25 years ago. Because they've been here for over 35 years, many of these Somalians, and they are already switched status.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, and that's a great point. And you, know, it also goes to what the Democrats are arguing that a lot of these people have already, you know, been in the United States for so long and even ones who haven't switched their status and so they, they could be eligible for deportation. They're talking about fundamental fairness of saying, well, if they've been here this long, they've established their lives, then is mass deportation actually the solution to this? And so where do you think that the policy, contrast should be for what the Republicans in Congress, if they're doing their job and they actually care to govern, and they're looking at actually establishing a better uniform rule of immigration and naturalization and pursuant to their authority in the Constitution, where should they go with immigration policy overall?

Ryan Girdusky: Well, I mean, I think that one. It's important to speak about immigrants, not as all immigrants in one. Like, it's not if we need immigrants, it's not like a bag of oranges. You have to take 100 if you want to take one. I think speaking about immigrants as groups is very important. Somalian immigrants are the most exceptional, expensive immigrants to ever take into a Western society. It's the truth in the uk, it's the truth in the Netherlands. It's the truth in Denmark. Wherever they've studied this, the average Somalian, refugee costs the taxpayers a million dollars throughout their lifetime and even into the second generation rarely contributes more than they take out. So it would be important to differentiate like, Somalian immigrant from a South Korean immigrant. And I say South Korean, South Korean refugees. But a North Korean refugee versus a Somalian refugee. Certain immigrants are extremely productive. They do a lot. They get back in taxes, they create companies. I think one out of every 6,000 Israeli immigrants is a billion, creates a billion dollar business. And then there are groups that don't. The number of. I mean, this is a completely different group, but the number of Mexicans who have made a billion dollar business is zero. You have a better chance of being struck by lightning twice than you do of a Mexican immigrant creating a billion dollar business in America. Somalian immigrants are enormously expensive. So speaking about immigrant classes and immigrant groups based on the country of origin and how they've contributed historically, I think it's important to make sure that in a country moving excessively fast towards AI, towards the 21st century economy, finding immigrants that meet our standards, that what we're going to need in this country, what we're going to need for them to be as taxpayers, as job creators, is very important. And I'm sorry, but if we look historically, Somalian immigrants do not meet the threshold. There's really very little need to take another Somalian into the United States at all.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And of course, Ryan Gardesky, I mean, the reason that Republicans won't have that conversation is because they will be called racist for doing so and for saying, well, you know, you are, being racist against just one particular ethnic group, or you can't just lump them all into a category. Even though the statistics, I think, are valuable in terms of contemplating where our immigration policy should be with respect to people who want to enter our country because they don't have a right to. I mean, this is at our will and pleasure as a society. And so I think we have to go back and ask the question, what is the purpose of US Immigration policy to begin with? I mean, it's not just to provide a legal pathway to whoever wants to be here.

Ryan Girdusky: Right. And it's for the betterment of the people of this country. That's exactly right, Jenna. So if the goal is to make our own people better and our own country better, and I'm sorry, but you, know, different categories of food is not considered one of the things that makes us better, well, then we really have to increase our standards incredibly high. And I think that that is a big thing going forward. We still take a million legal immigrants per year about that. Maybe a little less now. Maybe 800,000 legal immigrants per year. The number one category is family reunification. So do we really need a country where hundreds of thousands of people are coming just because they are blood related? In many cases not even blood related because it's all fraudulent. But, Blood related to someone else who lives here? Is that the only requirement in a country where we're looking at how many jobs will AI take? How few people do we need? What kind of labor do we need? How many jobs will robots take? These are certain things, and these are certain questions that we have to ask ourselves. And especially when we take a look back and we say, wow, one group that is not that big in our country, a few hundred thousand, did billions of dollars of taxpayer fraud and sent much of it back to their native country. I think that that would be it.

Ryan Gardusky: Refugee status is being abused and should be revoked

And also, by the way, I, just thought of this, a refugee policy that they should bring up. If you declare refugee status and you visit the nation in which you left from that refugee status should be stripped from you. The fact that Ilhan Omar's family came here on refugee status and they vacation in Somalia does not mean they're living in fear of being in Somalia. They should be deported back to Somalia.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, I fully agree with that. I'm speaking with Ryan Gardusky, who's the host of the Numbers Game podcast. And you know, it seems like if our immigration policy has actual articulable goals, then shouldn't there be enforceable standards to ensure that those goals are actually met? I mean, we have all of these policies that, like, refugee status, asylum status, that clearly, with that example that you just gave of Ilhan Omar and her family, and there are a variety of examples, the, the actual practice is undercutting the intention and rationale of the policy. So it's clearly being abused.

Ryan Girdusky: Yeah, there's no question. And there's no question it's been being abused. You know, the, the, the, our, ah, refugee staff policy and several other of our policies. H1B, the O1 visa, which is supposed to be for geniuses, which is now going to only fans, models. I mean, they are parts of the world that view the country as either a dumping ground or as a marketplace to strip resources from and to make money and to leave as much as fast as possible, or to get money from the taxpayer and bring it back to your own native country. That's just a truth. And if we respect our taxpayers and we respect our fellow Americans, and we respect, the whole contract of being an American, what that means, then I'm sorry, we need to limit the m amount of people who are coming here illegally every single year. Not just illegally. And it's a conversation Republicans haven't had. I mean, back in the presidential debate in 2016, you had Ted Cruz saying Literally illegal immigrants bad, legal immigrants good. As if it's, some meme that's too hard to understand. Well, no, certain class immigrants are really good in our country and a lot of them aren't and they don't contribute and they haven't been up to par and they wouldn't be in a 21st century economy. So let's be a little choosy. We are like the prettiest girl at a high school. Let's not date anybody who comes up to us. Let's more picky.

Jenna Ellis: A great example. Absolutely. And you know, it does seem like, there are too many simplistic kind of mantras right now where you have on one hand some Republicans saying, you know, all illegal immigration bad and all legal immigration good. And then you have, you know, kind of the America first, America only camp saying no immigration, period. and then you kind of have a little bit of fragments maybe in between. But I think that the practical reality is a lot more nuanced. But in this age of kind of the Twitter, X news cycle and how everybody just, puts up all of these little opinions here and there, we don't have these types of long form policy discussions anymore. And certainly Congress, is not having a lot of meaningful debate anymore. And so from the perspective of conservatism heading into 2026, how can we maybe recapture that ability to debate these issues in a more nuanced fashion without allowing the Democrat rhetoric of just saying, oh, well, you're racist or oh, you don't care, you're not humanitarian compassionate enough. I mean, all those ridiculous talking points without being distracted?

Ryan Girdusky: Well, they're going to say that anyway, so don't be afraid of it because what they say about, they said about Mitt Romney and John McCain, they will say it about anybody. It doesn't really matter, you know, what ethnic background you are, what nationality you are. They will call you everything under the book. So that's first. Secondly, every politician running for office should have to answer the question, how many immigrants should we bring in this country every single year? What is the actual number? Give me a real number. Say, is it a million? We take a million. Now is it another million? is it, 5 million? Is it 500,000? What is it we have taken in the state of NewSong Jersey? We've built a new NewSong Jersey out of foreigners in the last 10 years. How many more times can we do that and still be the United States? How foreign can our cities be and be the United States? Because I think Republicans have really had a moment where they sat there and said, wow, the biggest city in our country 25 years after 911 elected a socialist mayor who wink, winks, nod, nod at, Islamic terrorists, literally campaigned with an Islamic terrorist. The unindicted coconuts of the 1993 World Trade center bombing. That is shocking. That only happened because of immigration. He was literally not here. He's a foreigner. We brought him into this country. And he immediately turned the biggest city in our country into a socialist city. And all his voters did. How many more times are we going to do that and how many more times are we going to do that until there's simply more of them than there are of us? Because at that point it's a counting game. So we have to really, really, really be persistent. Would Tim Woltz be governor if it wasn't for 100,000 Somalian votes? Would, Minnesota have gone blue in the last election? Went blue by 3 points or 4 points? These are conversations. It's not just a matter of, do you like this person? It's a matter of what policies are these people voting for when they get here and what are they doing. And that's just an eye opening moment for, I think, all of Republicans.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And it should be. And to your point that the Democrats are going to say this anyway. Well, they're falsely projecting that they care about humanitarianism or compassion or any of these people anyway. I mean, if the people that they are importing weren't voting for people like Tim Walls and they weren't turning states blue, they would be the number one advocates for a closed border. If all of these people coming in were voting Republican and turning Minnesota and other blue states into a red state. If you had all of the people coming into California and suddenly California was red, they would be the first one saying, you know, this is absolutely, undemocratic. This is not American. You know, we need to close the border now. So their rhetoric is always simply to justify the outcomes that they prefer. And yet Republicans continue to fall for it.

Ryan Girdusky : Republicans hesitant to do anything more about Somali fraud

but Ryan, I, before I let you go, I want to ask you about the Somali fraud though. and how, this I think is the biggest story right now in, in the country. And it seems like Republicans are hesitant to do anything more about it in terms of accountability. and they just want to go out and fundraise off of it.

Ryan Girdusky: I think that. I'm sorry to interrupt you before. Yeah, I think that, I think that there's. I mean, they're investigating it. The Federal government has to do the investigations. President Trump's been very aggressive. I think that's all very good. I don't know if there's much they could do aside from really look at a lot of these federal programs and fund a mass investigation. Because I bet you, one, Somalians are not exclusive, although they're probably the worst case of it, but they're probably not the only ones. Two, they should start taxing remittances, money going overseas since a lot of this M money was finding its way back in Somalia. And, three, they need to be doing, need to be looking at how better to oversight these programs. I mean, there's not enormously, you know, fun, different types of ideas to deal with it. But I think that President Trump's been pretty aggressive with the Somalians individually, and we really have to wait for the executive branch to take action.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And. And how far, how high up do you think in, in the DNC and all of this does this go? Because, I agree with our friend John Cardillo, who was on the program before you, that, you know, Tim Walds either had to be complicit or be just the absolute most incompetent governor ever to. To not notice that this was going on for his entire gubernatorial tenure. And, and I think personally that some of this absolutely played into, his selection for VP and how that played into it, I hope we get the answers to. But it just seems very convenient that Tim Walls, nobody had ever heard of him, and then suddenly he was the VP candidate. And now we're finding out how much money was actually being funneled to, the Democrats. And so do you think we're going to get, answers to those questions?

Ryan Girdusky: I don't know about being, you know, the VP nominee. I don't. I don't know if maybe we'll hear who around Tim Walton administration knew about this. Certainly someone had to greenline it. But more shockingly is there's an award in Minnesota called the Refugee of the Year Award, and one of the women committing the fraud received the award. There's pictures of her with Tim Waltz from just a few years ago. So he knew people within the Somali community and his staff. 100 people knew people in the Somali community who were involved in this fraud. I think that would be more likely to get than maybe even Kamala Harris's understanding, because I, you know, I think that that's, a. That's a movie that's ended at this point, and no one really cares. But I think that they care more about how much did Tim Waltz know, When did he know? And also how bad is it that he's dropping out now he's dropping out of running for a third term when, you know, no one does that kind of stuff. People don't take accountability whatsoever. So how bad were his polls if he thought that, oh, wow, I'm going to lose and lose to a Republican.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, I hope that there is accountability. We got to take a break here, but Ryan Graduski, really appreciate your. You can follow him on X for, a lot of very spicy takes. I followed Ryan for a while and, so you've been forewarned that you're going to get some very spicy takes if you follow him on X. But I think that you should. He's the host of the Numbers Game podcast. And we will be right back with more.

Jenna Ellis: It took a kid with an iPhone to expose Minnesota fraud

 : Welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.

Jenna Ellis: Welcome back. Well, amidst the questions of whether there will actually be any accountability for, Tim Walls and others who, were likely complicit in the ongoing, fraud in Minnesota, the question, has been raised and should continue to be raised on why this didn't come out sooner and why, as a brilliant hollyhand, who is the host of his own podcast and a great journalist himself, why he observed, and this is great, when a kid with an iPhone is doing more to investigate fraud than our own government, something is wrong. So brilliant. Good morning. And you know, that's a very apt, observation. And but for, Nick Shirley's just going and knocking on the doors of some of these, alleged Somali daycare centers and actually showing, this investigative reporting. We wouldn't even be at the point that we're at today.

Brilyn Hollyhand: Exactly. I mean, this is just a kid, maybe a few years older than me that could be in college, who had the opportunity of an iPhone and a free platform on Twitter to go post and expose this fraud that any three letter agency in the federal government that our taxpayer dollars could have investigated over a decade ago or any three letter media network investigated, but they don't have time to do that. They're just obsessed with attacking Trump every day. And I think the frustration here is that we Republicans overwhelmingly elected, even in all seven swing states to get accountability, to get transparency, to finally have some of this fraud that we've suspected for years, not even just in this example, but across the country investigated. We have the majority in Congress, we have the three letter agencies. This investigations haven't happened. And thankfully it took a kid with an iPhone speaking out to expose this fraud. But like you just pointed out right now, it's just been on social media. When are we going to have a step further, go and say, one, we're going to shut this down, but two, we're going to see how much further it goes. Because if a kid with an iPhone just down this much, imagine how much is hidden even farther.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah. And, you know, and that's a great point that, the fraud that has been revealed and exposed since Trump, took office last year has not just been the Somali fraud in Minnesota. I mean, look at everything that Doge uncovered. And there was so much more that it could have. And that was one of the signature, actions of President Trump, initially in his term. And everybody was really excited about it. And then it seems like Republicans in Congress basically just quashed the idea because they didn't want to spend less on their own pet initiatives.

Brilyn Hollyhand: Yeah. And I think the, the issue there comes with their lack of willingness for retribution. And I think that there's a difference where there's this, like, political vendetta, where you're out to get all of your enemies and you're just trying to assign random charges to people because you beat them in an election how many years ago. And then there's the. There's the retribution, where you're literally going against fraud, waste and abuse, that the taxpayer dollars are going into the crapper. And this is a perfect example of something like that, where we do need retribution in Congress, where we do need these congressional oversight committees whose entire job is to investigate stuff like this, or the agencies that job is tasked with this to do their job. But, I do want to point out here something interesting, Jenna, and you just kind of hit on it about Tim Wallace. You know, people talk about all the time, that Tim Walsh wasn't the ideal VP choice for Kamala Harris, and certainly on this side of the election, he was not. I think she would have had substantially better poll numbers for somebody like Josh Shapiro. If you have somebody so radical and so far to the left that she drug her party off of a cliff with her, you have a little bit more centrist candidate to moderate the ticket, somebody like a Josh Shapiro. She didn't do that shit at Tim Walls. Why did she? Everybody asked that question at the time. I think in a situation like this where this fraud has come out, it's become clear that she picked Tim Walls because Tim Walls was a yes man. He was a yes man to the Somalians. He let them come in and take over his state. And he would have been a yes man to Kamala Harris. He would have sat there idly by, allowed her to do a radical takeover this country. He would have changed our American flag to make it more like Somalia. He would have done anything Kamala Harris wanted to do. When a more Josh Shapiro person, somebody like that could have given her a harder time. I think this has become clear why Tim Walls was the person. And I think he wouldn't be not running if he could have done anything else. I mean think about it. Eric Adams got investigated over some plane tickets. Bob Menendez got investigated over some gold bars. Tim Walls gave his entire state to the Somalians and he's just getting away. Scotch free.

Jenna Ellis: M. Yeah. And hopefully there will be some accountability for him. And even though it looks like that right now, and his saying he's not going to run for reelection, he's not even resigning over it, that there will be more accountability than that. But it's going to take some backbone and some spine on the Republicans part to actually focus on a priority and actually see it through and follow through. And we, the frustration that I have with this. Brilliant. Is that, but you know, we won. Conservatism won very decisively in 2024. I mean we, we set back the radical leftists kind of on their heels with the overwhelming support of Trump, with the, you know, reelection of a lot of the, the conservative governors in states and you know, even in Congress and so forth. And yet, now we're seeing that there is a strong likelihood that Republicans are going to lose that majority, later on this year. And it hasn't even been that long since the, you know, fantastic win that Trump achieved in 2024. And so where do you think the disconnect is between the, the wins and saying yeah, we, we don't as a country want to go off the radical cliff. But then it seems like every single election we're still on that precipice.

Brilyn Hollyhand: I think you compare the approval ratings of the administration to Congress and you have somebody who is getting promises achieved, but it's mostly through executive orders, which in other words, as you know, with your legal background is just a frilly piece of paper with some bold statements. It's not codified into legislation. Congress has the opportunity to do their job, to stop going on taxpayer funded vacations, to sit down and codify the President's agenda into law. Therefore, let's say that, you know, hell freezes over and somehow Gavin Newsom gets into the oval office in 2028 on his first day, in his first hour agenda. The very first thing we will see him do is overturn every single one of Trump's executive orders, just like Trump did in his first hour against Biden. If Congress steps up and does their job and codifies this agenda, it'll be.

 : A heck of a lot harder for.

Brilyn Hollyhand: Him to do this. What we need to see is Congress stepping up. What we need to see is actual accountability, more than just a big beautiful bill, but across the country. And finally you understand this from being on a campaign previously. For us to win the midterms, we have to get voter turnout. We're not going to have this if this is not a national election. The Democrats are going to run this way. It's like it's a national race. They're going to put Trump and Elon as best buddies, millionaire tech bros on billboards. They're going to run this as a national race and make abortion hot button issue. We have to run this like a national race. Trump has to go speak on college campuses. Trump has to lay out a plan for what he's going to do in his final two years. We have to make this national to get people interested, to get off their couch and go vote again.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah. And, and that's the, that's going to be. The difficulty is getting the buy in when, yet again, when there hasn't been sufficient follow through from Congress. I think that, you know, the Trump administration has done a lot like what we've seen from ICE enforcement, what we've seen from Trump's executive orders, from his decisive action in Venezuela. I mean there are a lot of wins, that he has posted and his administration has posted. I think Marco Rubio has done a fantastic job. Pete Hegseth, I mean a few of those other appointees, Pam Bondi, not so much. I think she could have done better. But hey, it's hard to be Trump's ag, right?

Jenna Hollihan says Republicans need to win over Gen Z

But, but overall all of the wins since 2024 have been the administration. Literally nothing from Congress. I mean, I pointed out earlier on in the program that, not only has Congress failed to codify any of Trump's executive orders, they literally reversed one of his executive orders with Republicans voting for it. I mean, that's. Congress has been. So what, what, in your view, for, especially for Gen Z, what is going to, what is it going to take to have that buy in to, to say, okay, yeah, you guys voted for us in 2024 Congress really didn't do anything but hey, vote for us again to keep our majority in Congress in 2026.

Brilyn Hollyhand: I think Republicans in Congress need to wake up and smell the roses to the fact that they're standing on the edge of not only losing the majority for like the next two years, but for a long time. And because as you've seen after Covid, when Gen Z loses trust in somebody, we don't give it back to them. When we lost our trust in big government that shut us out of our schools, that strapped a diaper to our face that told us the strip club was open but we couldn't go to Greenwich for Thanksgiving, we realized that the government wasn't our best friend. That the TikTok videos that told us to open our hands and just expect handouts from the government, maybe that wasn't the best choice of action. And then just last year you saw that we lost trust in the Democrat party, the same party that for decades has given us empty promises and dangled free things and emotions running our face. When they called our masculinity toxic, we stopped trusting them. Republicans in Congress don't need to lose Gen Z's trust. That's really all they have going for them right now. We've won over Gen Z and the gop but how do we make that more than just a one time thing? How do we keep Gen Z in? We do what we said we're going to do. It's not some crazy novel I did, Jenna. The playbook is simple. Do your job, stop going on vacation, codify the agenda. Speaker Johnson has to stand up here. He has to have a backbone and a spine and say we're not going to leave until we stop getting some stuff done that has to happen now. This is not something that we need to be doing in the in the final hours of midnight before Christmas or right before the election to try to get a win in the column to convince Gen Z we have to do it now.

Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well said. Well, brilliant Hollihan. Really appreciate it. We're already out of time. You can follow him on X and you should. And as always you can reach me and my team JennaAFR.net.

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