: Jenna Ellis in the morning on American Family Radio.

 : I love talking about the things of God. Because of truth and the biblical worldview, the U.S. constitution obligates our government to preserve and protect. The rights that our founders recognize come from God our creator, not our government. I believe that scripture in the Bible is very clear that God is the one that raised up each of you. And God has allowed us to be brought here to this specific moment in time.

 : This is Jenna Ellis in the morning.

Alex McFarland: In Jon 8, uh, 30 and following, Jesus said this. If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples? Indeed. Well, Good morning. Alex McFarland here. We have got a fantastic show. Uh, it's my great honor this week, four days, uh, this week I'll be sitting in for Jenna and uh, I'm very much appreciative of this opportunity. And we've got a fantastic show today. In just a few moments, I'll bring up, uh, a guest that we will have the privilege of hearing from. Attorney Allen Parker Jr. Very much responsible for the overturning of Roe versus Wade recently. And we'll talk about that. That is just monumental and a number of other governmental issues. But I begin the program by, uh, greeting everyone and um, I solicit your prayers. I am just outside of Washington D.C. our nation's capital. And um, today and tomorrow I've got the privilege of being a part of a, uh, meeting in Washington about combating antisemitism. And uh, I'll probably tomorrow morning have a little bit more to report on that, having been through a number of meetings later today. And on that note, let me humbly refer you to an article that, um, uh, cbn, I think first ran it, although news outlets around the country have gotten it and Tim Wildmon and AFR News, uh, has it. I wrote an article about what I call the genius of Israel and uh, thanking Jewish people for their contributions throughout history to the betterment of the human condition. And one of the things that has really concerned me in recent years, especially after the October 7, 2023 Hamas attacks on Israel. Although the terrorist, uh, attacks on the Jewish people in Israel and around the world have continued, um, even recently, uh, just attacks on, uh, people going to synagogues. It's very sad, but I began to just make a list of the contributions, not only the Hebrew Bible, but, uh, throughout world history in technology, agriculture, medicine, science, the arts. Um, so m much that Jewish people have contributed. And I want to be very clear regarding salvation. To be born again, people need to believe in Jesus. Salvation. There's no other way uh, as Christ told Nicodemus in Jon chapter three, if a person would see the kingdom of heaven, they must be born again. But, uh, just as a human being, and certainly as a civilized human being, uh, I'm calling on people the world over to condemn anti Semitism and really the hatred and animus so often shown against the Jews. And I've spent so much of my adult life and academics that, um, it is shocking to me, certainly people that should know better, uh, colleges, professors, academics, that they pride themselves on standing up for human rights, but in the very same breath will speak, uh, ill of the Jewish people and turn a blind eye to antisemitism. And so we're trying to, um, through messaging and articles that the Lord's allowed me to write and publish, stand against this, um, in my article that's on CBN and it will soon be on the AFR sites, I'm sure, and many other places. Um, you know, I raised the issue. I said we ought to make May 14 global Jewish appreciation Day. And, uh, I am sure that, uh, there are people in many quarters that just the very notion of that would rankle them. But, I mean, every advocacy group seems to have their day and their movement and their activists. Um, I think, uh, it's appropriate to give a big shout out of solidarity and support for the Jewish people. And certainly, I think it's great witness when Christians, uh, speak to that voice. You know, I mentioned. As we, uh, get ready for our conversation with attorney Allen Parker, a uh, verse that I've been just pondering on and trying to internalize for the last few days. Jesus said in Jon 8. 31, if you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed, and of course, very famously, Jon 8. 32, and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Now listen to this. In Jon 8. 32, Jesus says, the truth will set us free. And then down there in verse 36 of Jon 8, Jesus says, if the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. Now, right here in two verses, Jon 8. 32 and Jon 8:36, Jesus talks about us being set free, set free by the Word of God and then set free by the Son of God. Now, why is this important? It's very important because you can't separate the two. We're living in a time when a number of people, um, that profess to be Christians, by the way, they want to slice and dice the Bible and take what is palatable, uh, but omit, ignore, even suppress what they don't like. But I Want to say this. The very same Bible that talks about the love of God, the mercy of God, praise the Lord. The very same Bible that talks about the love and mercy of God talks about repentance from sin. The very same Bible that talks about the grace and the blessings of God. Yay. Well, it also talks about the fact that marriage is between one man and one woman, and there are two and only two genders, male and female, and that homosexuality in every context, is a sin. And so there have been a number of people that wanted to, you know, take what is, you know, uh, PC I guess you might say, but omit the hard sayings. Uh, the Abrahamic covenant is still in effect. One day, the Jews will occupy their land in a state of belief. And I think it's important that we, as Jon 8:31 says, continue in his Word. Yes. Uh, and that validates the authenticity of our discipleship. But also, remember, if we're going to accept Christ, the Son of God, we also embrace scripture, the word of God. We don't try to separate, uh, the two, just based on our preferences, our likings, or the mood of the day. Well, uh, blessings on the reading of God's word. I want to change gears now and enter, uh, introduce you to a person that I had the privilege of meeting in an interview last week. Although I've known of, uh, Allen Parker, the attorney, for a while. But I was so blessed because not only is, uh, Allen Parker Jr. A renowned attorney who has served God and country valiantly, um, he told me on his business card, and, boy, I really. This resonates with me that he has the word revivalist. Now, this is really important because m. The word revivalist, as far as I'm aware, um, kind of in the modern parlance, originated with a man named Vance Havner. Vance Havner was the man that, uh, kind of, um, encouraged Billy Graham to become an evangelist. That was a pretty good day's work. But Vance Havner, he said he was not so much an evangelist, he was a revivalist. Well, we've got a revivalist with us today. Attorney Allen Parker, Jr. Sir, thanks for, uh, being with us on American Family Radio this morning. But most of all, thank you for what you do for God and country.

 : Welcome.

Alex McFarland: Uh, it's great to have you on. Hey, I'm not sure. Hey, you might be muted. Uh, Brother Parker, let's see. Um, I'm not hearing your audio. And, uh, Devin. Okay. Um, I think that, uh, afr.

Allen E. Parker: Okay, I could hear you. Can you hear me there? We Go.

Alex McFarland: Praise God. I hear your voice now, sir. Welcome again.

Allen E. Parker: Thank you for having me on the program this morning.

Alex McFarland: Yeah, it's good to have you. So give us a little background about, um, yourself and, uh, how not only are you an attorney, but a revivalist.

Allen E. Parker: Well, um, when I gave my life to the Lord, uh, he gives gifts to people. And one of my gifts was to the gift of evangelism. I wanted to tell everybody about Jesus. And I've been blessed to share many people. And just last night here in Decatur, Illinois, I asked a girl, uh, have you given your life to the Lord? And she said, yes, but not fully. And so I said, do you want to do it right now and give him your life fully? And I believe you have to make Jesus your Lord, which means boss, and amen. That's what. That's what changed me dramatically. Now, I think all Christians are supposed to be witnesses for Christ. He said to all his disciples, go back to Jerusalem, wait for the Holy Spirit, and you'll be my witnesses. So all of us are either a good witness or a bad witness for Jesus Christ. We should all be saying we should be living the life where. Makes people say, why are you happy all the time? How can you survive this? Or, what? What's your secret? And they. And then you give a defense of the hope that's in you, Jesus Christ, or, uh, why do you go to church? Or just any simple question can lead to it. And this young lady prayed to invite Jesus Christ fully into her life as Jesus and Lord. So that. But now revivalist means you're doing it more even than on an individual basis. I believe our nation, without repentance and turning back to God, is doomed because, as our founders believed and as the Bible teaches, nations don't have an eternal soul. So nations tend to get judged in this life. A nation which follows God's law and protects people's life and protects private property will become abundant and blessed. But, uh, a nation that sheds innocent blood on a massive scale, as we've done, uh, can be judged by God. And the purpose of judgment is to bring people to repentance. It's merciful, just like a good father. If your child is starting to do wild and crazy things, you say, you know, first you give them the law. This is how we're supposed to live. And then if they don't, then you start giving light punishments, you know, a slap on the wrist or amen, uh, a day's grounding or something. Take away the car for a week. But the worse it gets, the more severe the punishments must be just to get people to turn back to their father, to love him and, and live a good, productive, abundant life in Jesus Christ rather than.

Alex McFarland: Okay, I think you might have locked up. Well, I think we're buffering just a bit. The voice you're hearing is attorney, uh, Allen Parker of the justice foundation. Um, Mr. Parker, if you can hear me. Can you hear me now, sir? Okay. Uh, we're going to try to get him to reconnect. You know, by the way, I'm traveling. I think he's traveling and we have having bandwidth issues a little bit. Alex McFarland here on the Jenna Ellis Show. Um, you know, before the, before we had the little glitch here with, uh, the grid, the Internet, uh, probably over, um, taxed a little bit. He was talking about the fact that God incrementally gives, uh, judgments, you know, in the book of Hebrews, Hebrews 12:10. Think about this, folks. It says we had earthly fathers who disciplined us for a short time as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good that we may share in his holiness. Um, so I think it's important to say that God always acts redemptively, or at least he tries. But here is the thing. Whether it's the Holy Spirit of God calling us to repent and believe in Jesus, or if it's God reprimanding us when we backslide, um, God does not override our free will. And personally, uh, corporately, we have to yield to the overtures of God's Holy Spirit. And, um. Uh, Mr. Parker, are you there, brother? We don't have him yet, I'm told. Okay, I know we're coming up on a break. We're going to work and, uh, try to get him back. There's a lot to say because he, uh, is the author of, of overturning, uh, Roe versus Wade. There's a book that I want you to make yourself aware of, Overturning Roe versus Wade. And his, uh, website, if you Google, he wrote My Journey with Roe Doe and God. Allen E. Parker Jr. It's a fascinating book. As I said, he and I had a long conversation last week about how God worked through him. And I, um, want to say a big, uh, kudos to a large degree for the Catholic vote that, um, really very often ahead of Protestants have had the, um, conviction and the courage to speak out against abortion and to try to be the moral conscience of our nation. Stay tuned. Alex McFarland here, the Jenna Ellis show on the American Family Radio Network. More after this brief break. May God bless you. Do stay tuned.

 : Welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.

Alex McFarland: Welcome back to the program. We're going to resume our conversation with attorney Allen Parker in just a moment. I want to, uh, ask people to please be in prayer for Rudolph Giuliani, the famously the mayor of NewSong York City, um, at events over the years. And, uh, at 9 11, um, at ground Zero, I met Mayor Giuliani many times. An amazing American. Uh, he was in a car wreck last summer. I don't know if you guys remember that in the news, uh, but it says that he is in a Florida hospital in critical condition. I really don't know many details, but I know he's an amazing human being that has done much. I was, um, in NewSong York City 18 hours after 911 happened, ministering with the Billy Graham Ministry, literally in the rubble of Ground Zero. Amir Giuliani was just everywhere, tirelessly encouraging, working. And, uh, he's an amazing American, uh, and, uh, please pray for Rudolph Giuliani, uh, that, uh, the Lord will, um, minister to him and don't, uh, know the extent of what he's facing. But, um, he's, um, in critical condition, the news tells us. But I, um, think we've got some technical issues resolved. Attorney Allen Parker of the Justice Foundation. Are you back with us, sir?

Allen E. Parker: Yes, I am, and it's an honor to be with you.

Alex McFarland: Uh, thanks. Hey, thanks for your patience. It's just, um, you know, we do a lot of broadcasting all over the country, and there is this thing called the grid, and, you know, all the data going through the Internet and dishes, uh, and stations. I think it's probably like pouring 5 gallons of water through a straw sometimes. And there's just bandwidth issues. But before, uh, the break, you were talking about how God reprimands people. But, um, I. And I was reading Hebrews 12:10, how our earthly fathers in love reprimand us. And I think God does, too. Even though we deserve judgment for our sins, God tries to get our attention, and he acts redemptively to try to draw us back to Himself.

Allen E. Parker: Would you agree? Absolutely. And as a nation, I believe we've committed the four great sins that can bring national destruction. These are the ones mentioned by God in the Bible when he's explaining why the Jewish people were taken from their own country, placed in exile, and then eventually God's mercy came back. They repented. They wanted to be close to God, and they were restored to their land. So here's the four great national sins number One is forsaking God. And when you forget God, then you go down the wrong path and commit horrible abominations. Number two is shedding innocent blood. And, um, in 1962, our Supreme Court said to God, we don't want you anymore in the voluntary school prayer case and separation of government and religion and saying, we don't want you anymore. Then in 72, 3, they said, abortion is a constitutional right. Thank God that's been reversed. Number third, sin is sexual immorality on a vast scale, which wages war against the soil. And number four is greed. We've committed all four of those. But this is the year of the Declaration of Independence, and our president, by God's grace, is calling on America to rededicate itself to God. The Supreme Court has already broken or reversed the decision that said there was a right to kill children in America. And now, in fact, you're calling me today. The court has a decision this week as we speak. Uh, the fifth Circuit Court of Appeals just struck down the abortion pill distribution in America on Friday. And on Saturday, the pill maker appealed to the Supreme Court. I'm working on a brief right now to go to the Supreme Court with the testimonies of many women who took the pill and were devastated by the horror of abortion pills and killing their own children and who've now repented. And the Supreme Court can find the right to life that's actually in the Constitution. This is a very important week and an important year because it's the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, which says were endowed by who? Our Creator. With what inalienable rights. What are those? Right to life. And that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, meaning the purpose of government is to protect life. And for 200 years, our country did that. And I believe God is in revival right now, but we still need to repent of our sins. Uh, our president has said we will not forsake our God. He said that in the inauguration. And God blesses when leaders try to follow God bless. When the righteous are in office, the people rejoice. When the wicked rule, the people groan. And, uh, none of us. When I say righteous, I'm not saying he's perfect or anything like that. None of us are perfect in our flesh. But God honors those who try to honor and follow God.

Alex McFarland: Amen. Well said. You know, um, if you would. And by the way, folks, if you're just tuning in, Alex McFarland here sitting in for attorney broadcaster Jenna Ellis with we have attorney Allen Parker on with us and, uh, so many things I want to ask you before we go too much farther. Um, Mr. Uh, Parker, would you give us the website of the justice foundation and um, tell us what you do with, uh, that organization, please.

Allen E. Parker: Thank you. It's the justicefoundation.org O R G so just the justice foundation and it's Org because we're a non profit charitable organization and we represent people at no charge because other people make donations to our ministry. So for example, we represented Norma McCorvey and Sandra Cano, the Roe and Doe, the two cases that brought legal abortion to America in 1973. We represented them for free for years in their legal efforts to reverse those cases. It was historic that two people who won landmark Supreme Court decisions wanted to go back to court and say our cases were wrong, they should be reversed. And I believe that's the result of millions of people praying and uh, now, and, and anyway, God did miracle after miracle after miracle. The election of George Bush getting Samuel Alito on the court, the election of Donald Trump getting three justices in the first term, and three judges who believe in originalism, which is simply the document. Very common sense, anybody can understand this, that the purpose of a judge is to follow the law, not make up the law. The legislature makes the, the people make the law. And so if there's a law, if there's a right to life, as there is in the Constitution, no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law. What did the word life mean when, when the people adopted it in the Fifth Amendment and just 15 years earlier in the Declaration of Independence, when they said, we're going to leave Great Britain, we're going to form our own government to protect life. That was one of the very purposes of doing it. And uh, the people all knew that life is created. They said it comes from the Creator, and it's created in a woman's womb. The Bible says, I knit you together in your mother's womb. And God knew the science of DNA. When the strands come together, it's kind of like knitting a person. And each little strand, each little gene has a different component part make your liver, some, um, make your heart. But it all works together not by accident, not by chance, but because there's a designer. Another great verse is Mary was near coming to Elizabeth with Jesus. She was with child. That was the old time term and the term for most of American history for a woman. She wasn't just pregnant, she was with child. And the babe, Elizabeth leapt because he was in there. So both Babies were alive. And every woman knows there's a live baby in here. That's one of the reason abortion causes such grievous emotional damage and decades of trauma and regret and grief. Until a woman confesses her sin and turns it over to God through repentance, it's not the unforgivable sin, but it's a deep, deep wound. And I represent thousands of women letting their voices be heard before the Supreme Court. And how do we overcome Satan? By the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony. And in the case that re that the Supreme Court first said it's an infant life at the moment of abortion, they cited the women's testimonies, and we know is the women's toes that convince them this is a human life. We're taking.

Alex McFarland: Amen.

Allen E. Parker: And so on our website, two things. Women who've had abortions and men can get healing resources. It's a deep wound. Sometimes a Bible study or a weekend with others where you talk about it. We tell people, shut up. Don't talk about it. You did the right thing. When women begin to feel the regret and grief and try to talk to someone, but there's healing through Jesus Christ. And any woman or man can give us their testimonies. We will protect their confidential data. They tell us whether to use their name, full name or initials, and we can take their testimonies in writing to courts like the Supreme Court. We're, uh, putting about 4,728 testimonies into this brief so that the pain that, you know, as a woman or man, the court can know. Otherwise, they can believe the lie that abortion's good for women. The truth has to be told. And you can do that on our website, uh, as well.

Alex McFarland: God bless you. God bless you. Uh, Allen Parker, Jr. Attorney with the justice foundation, uh, the person with whom we speak. Let me ask you this. Um, what are the dangers of separating the Declaration of Independence from the Constitution? And, uh, did the. Did the founders assume that we, uh, would recognize those documents as linked? That, you know, I view it this way. And having taught political science for now, 20 years myself, um, I believe that the Declaration is really the foundation on which the Constitution stands. And if you divorce those two, um, you know, really, the Constitution can't accurately be implemented or even understood without the preface, which is the Declaration. But if you would speak to that attorney, uh, Parker, Are they linked? Did the founders see them as linked together? And what are the dangers of, uh, separating the two?

Allen E. Parker: Absolutely. And as people listen to us talk, if they Go to our, uh, website, uh, at the Justice Foundation. They can find the documentation, well, what we're about to speak about, and they can share it with their friends. So, yes, from the 1770s, the Declaration of Independence, 1776, to about the 1920s in America, for almost 200 years, American law was based on the law of God. And that's why they said in the Declaration of Independence, we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain naval rights. That was the government philosophy of all the people. Uh, the founders obviously believed in a creator. They put it in writing. Why would they do that, trying to rally a nation to fight Great Britain if nobody else believed it but them? No, it was, that was the mindset, that was the public meaning and life. From, uh, I'll just quote one of the founders, James Wilson said with consistency, beautiful and undeviant, deviating human life is protected from its commencement by the common law, meaning it was the law everywhere in all the colonies. And so it wasn't until about the 1920s when Oliver Wendell Holm, a justice of the Supreme Court, started writing things like this. There is no brooding omnipresence, um, in the sky. What does that mean? Um, omnipresence, um, mean all being, all seeing individual. That's the Harvard ease way to say there's no God. So the life of the law is logic, meaning we, the judges, are going to do our best and whatever we say, that's the law.

Alex McFarland: I'm just curious, um, Mr. About what year would that have been? Uh, I mean, that language. And I'll tell you folks, why I'm going to come back to this. There is no brooding presence in the sky. About what year might he have said that?

Allen E. Parker: Uh, probably in about, uh, the, uh, eight. It was after he was, he worked in the Civil War, so could be as late as the 1890s, 2000s, that he began to say, I'm, um, not 2000s, 1868 to sometime around 1800, I would bet money.

Alex McFarland: Now, folks, listen in if you would. There's, um, let me just say from the early 1800s really to the present moment, um, even before Darwin published On the Origin of species in 1859. By the early 1800s, uh, there was this movement to get God out of public life in the west, in Europe and the West. And one of the big things that kind of inspired a lot of people, probably like Woodrow Wilson and Oliver Wendell Holmes, uh, there was this horrid demonic poem by William Ernst Henley called Invictus. And Henley died in 1903. There's a very famous line that I would bet money because I've traced the philosophical, um, journeys and meanderings of a lot of people. Um, Invictus says, it matters not how straight the gate, how charged with punishments the scroll. I am the master of my fate. I am the captain of my soul. Invictus is this declaration of a brazen life without God. And when Oliver Wendell Holmes would say, there is no brooding presence in the sky, that very much sounds like the voice of William Ernst Henley, who wrote Invictus. I'm sure you're familiar with that really poem. And when you get to the 20s and you get to people like Jon Dewey and Margaret Sanger, they love. I mean, the humanist movement love the poem Invictus. That sounds very humanistic, doesn't it?

Allen E. Parker: Yes, it does. And even, uh, Oliver Wendell Holmes, you start thinking, I'm going to be the captain of my own soul. I'm in charge. But then you begin drifting towards death. And Oliver Wendell Holmes, who's revered very much except for one thing he did in a case called Buckley v. Bell, he even said it's okay to sterilize women without their consent because we've had enough imbeciles. Oh, my goodness.

Alex McFarland: Hold that thought. We've got to take a break. Uh, sorry. Alex McFarland here, Allen Parker Jr. More after this brief break. Stay tuned, folks.

 : Welcome back to Jenna Ellis in the Morning on American Family Radio.

Alex McFarland: Welcome back. It's good to be on, and I appreciate Jenna entrusting her microphone to me for four days this week. Um, I've got the great privilege. I'll be on every morning except Wednesday, and we invite you to listen a lot of great content this week. We've been working on this for a couple of weeks now, and, uh, one of the things about which I am most excited is our conversation with Allen Parker. Uh, sorry, before the. The break, I had to kind of cut you off there, but we were talking about, um, you mentioned the. The forced sterilization of women. Part of the humanist, um, ideology there. Continue your thought, brother. Um, and we. We have ample time now, so. Continue.

Allen E. Parker: Right. Well, uh, forced sterilization of women was part of Margaret Sanger's philosophy to, uh, make a better species, to make man better, and to get rid of undesirable members of the human race. Well, her philosophy was taken up by Hitler, and he wanted to improve the, uh, Aryan race and make it the master race. And today, even sadly, uh, there are people who want artificial intelligence to be in control because humans are weak. And it could be perfect, uh, or some sort of, ah, human animal interface or connecting the Internet to inside your brain. All sorts of weird things. But the Supreme Court said in Buckley v. Bell in the 1920s that it was possible to, and permissible for the states to, to forcibly sterilize women against their will. And uh, so again, because these things sound good sometimes, but only if you don't think them through, uh, it became the weak and the vulnerable. African Americans were considered an inferior race by some people, not by God. They're all, we're all made in the image of God. But the Supreme Court and today even the supporters of him have to realize that and admit that that was a terrible bloodstain.

Alex McFarland: Racist philosophy.

Allen E. Parker: Yes. And abortion is one of the reasons we want to overturn. Abortion is. It is racist. Margaret Sanger, the founder, was a racist. The. In the recent last couple of years ago in the NewSong York Times, the president of Planned Parenthood admitted that they had a racist past. They disproportionately kill African Americans. Uh, African Americans are about 10% of the population, but they're 30% of the abortions. So it's becoming a reduced population in America. And uh, lastly, some of their current employees sued them for being racist. But so by three different stands, I often say, in my opinion they're the most effective racist organization in American history because they've killed more black children than any other organization combined. So the Supreme Court doesn't always get it right and they're just. But if you have an oligarchy, that's government by a few from 1920 to 19, uh, 70s. Well even beyond from 1920 to 2020 when Amy Coney Barrett became the sixth originalist on the court. So for about 100 years from 1920s to, uh, 2020, uh, the court said, we don't care what the Constitution says. We'll take the words, but we'll make them mean anything we want to mean. Uh, that's how you got homosexual rights when homosexuality was a crime, when the liberty interest, uh, were considered in the Constitution. We wanted to protect liberty, but it was the liberty to do right things like raise your children in the fear and admonition of the Lord or to be, have uh, a business and keep the profits of your business for yourself except for moderate taxes. Uh, you know, these, these things were what we were fighting for. And life, including children in the womb was uh, that in fact I have a quote from the Dobbs case that kind of uh, confirms this. So this is the Dobbs case that reversed Roe v. Wade, which Roe said there was a right to abortion in the Constitution. And the Court said, no, there's not until the latter part of the 20th century. That would be like the 1970s. Such a right was entirely unknown in American law. Indeed, when the 14th Amendment was adopted, that's the one that says, no state shall deprive any person of life without due process of law. So the 14th Amendment could wipe out all state laws protecting abortion, all state constitutional amendments. So he says when the 14th Amendment was adopted, three quarters of the states made abortion a crime at all stages of pregnancy. Uh, and aside from me, they called it child murder. The abortion right also critically different from any other right that this Court has held to fall within the 14th Amendment protection of liberty. Roe's defenders characterized the abortion right as similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage. But abortion is fundamentally different, as both Roe and Casey acknowledge, because it destroys what those decisions called fetal life and what the law now before us describes as unborn human life. So there's the Supreme Court recounting its own history and saying there's no right to abortion. But now, the reason I said this went to 2020. In, uh, October of 2020, uh, Donald Trump. Well, we had a historic occurrence. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, uh, on Rosh Hashanah of 2016, which is, uh, the beginning of the Jewish 10 days. Of all the days of repentance leading up to Yom Kippur, before Christ's sacrifice on the cross, you had to have animal sacrifices because it's necessary for blood, for the atonement of sin, as even Adam and Eve sure saw. Uh, when. When God had to kill an animal to clothe them with an animal skin. They love the animals. Imagine how horrible that is. Sin has horrible consequences, and abortion some of the most horrible. And, um, that's why we put in our brief before the Supreme Court the tortured testimonies of women who. When you take the abortion pill before, with a surgeon or a doctor doing it, you could feel like, oh, the doctor's doing it. This is medical procedure. He told me, this isn't a baby. This is just a blob of tissue. But when you take,

Alex McFarland: uh, forgive me, but, uh, doesn't it just grieve your soul when you hear activists refer to baby killing as health care?

Allen E. Parker: Absolutely. It is. Totally false. Yes.

Alex McFarland: Hey, I've got to, um, chase a rabbit here for a second, but, uh, the first time I heard the phrase about The Constitution being, quote, a living document when Hillary Clinton was running for president in 2008. Um, and by the way, there's a video going around, folks. Um, if you're talking to people who were, um, very much opposed to the war in Iran, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both said that if they became president, which, uh, Obama did, Hillary did not, obviously, but they had said that, um, they would, um, go to war with Iran. And there's a very famous video. This is, uh, one of the rare, rare times that I did agree with Hillary Clinton, but she said that, um, Iran should not have nuclear capabilities. And in 2008, she was saying if she became president, she would go to war with Iran. But anyway, uh, I would encourage people to look at that video. But here's the thing. I begin to hear her say repeatedly in the news that the Constitution is a living document. And, uh, you know, uh, there was Howard, um, McBain was a legal professor. He wrote a book in 1927 where he called the Constitution a living document. And, uh, later on, Woodrow Wilson would call it. Uh, Woodrow Wilson, who was very progressive, said that we must view the Constitution in Darwinian structure and practice, quote, unquote. So all of that. Attorney Allen Parker Jr. Speak to us. What is the philosophy or the mindset behind these words? The Constitution is a, quote, living document.

Allen E. Parker: Yes. This determines what kind of government we live under. And this is an important issue in elections today. Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party believe in the living Constitution, meaning it has to change with the times and become modern and relevant and changed. Well, the question is, then who gets to change the document? And the Democrat living Constitution says, oh, the smart people elect judges like Oliver Wendell Holmes who don't believe in God, and they'll just tell us what to do. And that's called an oligarchy. Government by a few. On the other hand, of course, the Constitution should not be a dead instrument. It should be capable of changement. That's why the Constitution itself says, you can amend this Constitution by the people. There have been 27amendments, not by the oligarchy of the judges, but by the people. A, uh, common one is women's right to vote. They did not have the right to vote in the original Constitution, but the Constitution was set up to be able to be changed. Women persuaded men to vote to give them the right to vote. So, you know, that's what we. And that's government of the people, by the people, for the people, which the Declaration of Independence says. Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. And people need to understand this with friends, originalism. When the court says there's a right to life in the Constitution, the court is not imposing its will on America. They're not, uh, being an oligarchy. They're saying, this is what the people meant by life when they adopted the Constitution. And we're going to follow the will of the people. Now, if people don't like that, the Constitution can be amended. And I'm sure some people will start a process to amend it like they did with the Equal Rights Amendment, which never got into the Constitution. But this is government of the people, by the people, a living Constitution by a Democrat means the judges will rule over you. Another simple way to say it is we believe in the rule of law. And I, and again, I'm not endorsing candidates. I'm just talking about the philosophy of the political parties in our day. Uh, the rule of law for us is a law is a rule of general applicability promulgated by the proper authority before something happens. So you know what the law is before you engage in activity. But to them, the rule of law, rule of judges, whatever the judges say, that's what the law is. That's where we get bizarre rights which infringe on other people's rights, like gay marriage. That wasn't in the Constitution at all. And yet, uh, we the people are stuck with it, though. We the people did not choose that.

Alex McFarland: Do you anticipate that the, the gay marriage, the Oberg Feld decision will be overturned?

Allen E. Parker: I'm not sure, uh, there's enough prayer for that, to be honest. And people always ask me, do you really think Roe v. Wade can be overturned? When I was working on it, people said, it'll never happen in my lifetime. And suddenly God did it. Or what seemed like a suddenly who? People didn't see what God was doing behind the scenes. It looked like communism fell quickly when the Berlin Wall fell. God can change things in a day. But I also, when they said, do you think Roe could be overturned? I said, well, I believe so, because it's very evil and millions m of people are praying for it to be reversed and changed. And I think right now I'd call people to pray for the Supreme Court to find the right to life that's in the Constitution. And this week particularly, or even whenever you listen to this program, the Supreme Court will still be dealing with the issue of life and down the road, marriage, you can be praying for the Supreme Court always. We, we're commanded to pray for authorities. People pray for the president a lot, sometimes Congress. But people forget to pray for the Supreme Court. And I urge you, whenever you're thinking of the government, pray for the president and the legislature and the Supreme Court. They decide a lot of these important issues. And there, there can be a legal and spiritual revival. God can reach in and touch any heart. And we need that at the Supreme Court.

Alex McFarland: We do. Um, as we look toward, uh, the midterm elections, uh, not only prayerfully, but civically. What, what's your assignment for us, Professor? Give us. Give us some homework. Okay.

Allen E. Parker: All right. Well, I. I believe every citizen of the United States has a duty and an obligation to devote. And here's one reason why. Do you love your neighbor as yourself? Well, if you want you love your neighbor, then you want good laws. Good laws come from m. The wisdom of God. And so if you don't even know when a human life begins, and wouldn't you rather live in a government where the government is required to protect human life from its beginning and cannot arbitrarily deprive people of that? So first, you have an obligation to vote. Pray. There's good guidance out there. You can get voter guides from Christian organizations, uh, like American Family Association. I Voter guide. You know, they'll tell you where the candidates stand. Some of you may be called to serve in government. All are called to pray for government. And the. And government is a mission field, the church to say, okay, some are going to go to India. Some are going to go to Africa. Some are going to go into the government. Who are they? Let's find them, train them, and pray for them so that they can.

Alex McFarland: Amen. We're almost out of time. Uh, thank you, Attorney Parker again, the justice foundation and his book, Roe and God. Hey, I'll be back on Exploring the word this afternoon. 3:00pm Central, 4:00pm Eastern Time. In the meantime, stand for truth, stay bold, pray for our nation and be involved. Thanks for listening. God bless you.

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