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Tim Wildman hosts Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network

>> Ed Vitagliano: Welcome to today's issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day.

>> Christopher Woodward: Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of.

>> Ed Vitagliano: The American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Today's Wednesday, April 23, 2025. Thank you for listening to AFR. Joining me in studios is Ed Battagliano. Good morning, Ed.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Hello.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wow.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Hello, mi bucko.

>> Tim Wildmon: That, Is that British?

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's. It's British for a few minutes, and then it always turns into Russian. My accents, when I start off, they sort of slip. Yeah, they do.

>> Tim Wildmon: before you know it, I'll be continent.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I. I drink Diet Coke. Y. If he, if he does sing in.

>> Tim Wildmon: Russian, can I play the Russian?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Man, play the Russian national anthem. I. I love that national anthem. It's good. I love the Russian and the Canadian national anthem.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. you like it when that those Russian men sing?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Those are like manly men, you know. The Russians are descended from Vikings. That's who settled that part of, Europe.

>> Tim Wildmon: So they've been invaders for a long time. Haven't tell you.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Those are men. They're just manly men.

>> Tim Wildmon: They just can't help themselves.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: How to invade something.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Kind of like Italians are always surrendering.

>> Tim Wildmon: I thought that was a French.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, we're related in that way.

Fred Jackson and Chris Woodward are in studio with us this morning

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, well, in studio with us also is Fred Jackson. Good morning, brother Fred.

>> Fred Jackson: Good morning.

>> Ed Vitagliano: What voices can you do?

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, Chris Woodward. Good morning, Chris.

>> Christopher Woodward: Good morning. If I can. Just a second.

>> Tim Wildmon: You can, Chris.

>> Christopher Woodward: I need to wish my mom a happy birthday. Happy birthday, Mom.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, what's. What's your mom's first name?

>> Christopher Woodward: Sheila.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Sheila. Hello, Sheila.

>> Fred Jackson: No, that was Australia.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I know.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, yeah, that was crocodile right there.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I've had quite a bit of Diet Coke this morning, so no telling what.

>> Fred Jackson: We'Re going to get from you.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I would buckle up if I were you.

>> Christopher Woodward: You're going to have a Diet Coke with a stereotype. That's what it says on the wrapper there, homies. Yeah, there you go.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You guys are my homies.

>> Christopher Woodward: Just the accent.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: With a stereotype. I missed that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm not sure what Chris is talking about.

>> Christopher Woodward: I don't either. I've not had enough Diet Coke.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm just being polite.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Let's move on.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Pretending I understand.

>> Tim Wildmon: We just move on.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Move on down life's road.

We'll talk to Jenna Ellis at the bottom of the hour

All right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: We do have Jenna Ellis at the.

>> Tim Wildmon: Bottom of the hour, so she's not a stereotype, though.

>> Ed Vitagliano: She is not.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think she's her own person.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, she is.

>> Tim Wildmon: so, yeah, we'll talk to Jenna Ellis at the bottom of the hour. I had something. we're going to get into the good, bad and the ugly of the day.

Something very interesting happened to me last night at a restaurant

Something very interesting happened to me last night. I don't know if this has ever happened to y'all or not. Of course, I've lived in the same town for my whole life.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Tupelo. And, except for like when I was a child. Yeah. And college. But, and like six. My first. I know. Nobody cares about this.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You're homegrown.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Six or eight years we lived in another town, but in this area. So, I'm sitting at a restaurant last night with my wife Allison, and, probably half of our grandchildren.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And. And anyway, some of. Some of our family. Yeah. And I look over and across, the restaurant. I glance over, you know, you just. Yeah, that's over there. And I say, hm, I know that guy from somewhere, you know? You ever had that?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So then I. But, yeah, but then I don't want to stare to where he stares. And then I don't know him. He goes, who's that freak over there?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Or what are you looking at?

>> Tim Wildmon: Who's that weirdo over there staring at me? You know, So I still look over there again. I go, I just know. I know that guy. That guy is David.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm not going to tell his last name. David and David from my college years. Okay. And, so, I was. So I was figuring out the last time I saw him. Well, I'll tell you what I did. I said, I. I know that's him, but I'm not. I'm 95% sure. But it could be his evil twin for all I know.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Because you walk all the way over there and it's not him.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. I've had that happen to me before. Hey, you are, aren't you? Do you know? Aren't you? Anyway, so, we. We're about to leave the restaurant.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. And so Allison, I said, look over there because she knows who he. She knows. I said, look over there. I said before we leave. Is that. Is that who I think it is? She goes, I think it is too. She said, let's go over there. So we walked over there and sure enough, it was a fella that I went to college with that I hadn't seen in 42 years.

>> Fred Jackson: Wow.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That. And so let me ask you this. When you were looking at him, did you think. I think that's David. And man, is he old. Well, because. Because that's true of you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: He definitely hit Great. Great and. And wrinkled and. And all those things that happened to all of us as we go down.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: The path there. But he's.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He remember you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah, he did. Yeah, he. Yeah, he did. And. And we hugged. And after all these years, I didn't realize he like he had. Had been in prison five times. Well, I had no idea he had.

>> Ed Vitagliano: After college he had chosen.

Dad got my grades after 42 years. They were bad. Like two Cs, two Ds

>> Tim Wildmon: He was just, Just had a loser life. I didn't tell him that I thought it, but.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. Ah, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: He had, he had. He had had a good life. And And But 42 years, you wouldn't think. And what are the chances we're going to be at because he doesn't live here anymore.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh my goodness.

>> Tim Wildmon: He did for a little while, but he. He moved back to where he was, another state. So he was. Just happened to be at that restaurant. But 42 years. So we reminisce.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Recognize him after 42 years. That's a lot.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I know. He didn't recognize me.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: At first he didn't. Of course, I had drastically changed. Like in long hair. Long hair to no hair.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: to. Anyways, it was, it was. That was a unique and fun experience. Sure. And so. But he. But we reminisced about, you know, our, The. The year or so. We.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Didn't, We played board games and card games and didn't go to class. Almost cost me my college career.

>> Ed Vitagliano: This is that that was. Resulted in your dad sitting you down.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got my grades.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Christmas semesters. And he said,

>> Ed Vitagliano: I remember you telling that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Basically he said to me, we ain't doing this.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, you either. Either do you.

>> Tim Wildmon: I never forget it. He said, my dad. Because I. They were bad. Like two Cs, two Ds and an F. That. That was good for me to not have gone to class half the time.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: So he goes, He goes, my dad says, I never forget, you know. You know those moments you don't forget.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I know.

>> Tim Wildmon: So my dad says to me, got, your grades today. Of course, you know, they're coming. They're coming in the mail. And so, you know, doomsday is going to happen sometime during Christmas holiday.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. He said, I got your grades today. Of course, you know, then what's that? The gallows? Is that. So he goes, you know, we're. I'm not paying for this, you know that. He said, I'll give you one more semester.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: If you don't. If your grades don't come up. And he had low expectations anyway, so it wasn't a real high bar, you know what I'm saying? For me now, for my, my brother, he did. But not for me. He. So he said, He said, He said, you can make your living two ways with your back of your brain.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So he said, you can. You go to college to make a living with your brain.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: You don't have to break your bag.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So there's nothing wrong with working with your back, your hands.

Back then it was like, uh, so you're going to be killjoy here

That's honorable profession. But you're going. You don't go to college to work in the field.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Or whatever like that. So he was saying, if you want to do labor, hard labor, then. Then there's no reason me to pay for this.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: So, I mean, that makes sense now.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Back then it was like, so you're going to be killjoy here.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm thinking to myself, so I can't go party anymore. I didn't know I wasn't a heavy drinker. That. But you know what I'm saying, Not.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Going to do what I want to.

>> Tim Wildmon: Do what I want to. First time away from home, nobody's watching, no cell phone back then.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: You play poker every night if you want to. Nobody cares. But they do care when your grades come in.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, they do.

>> Tim Wildmon: Anyway, that was a life lesson for me, he said. I'll never forget him saying, you can make a living with your back of your brain.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Anyway, he gave me one more semester.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And I double down.

>> Tim Wildmon: I redeemed myself.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, ended up graduating.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Not with honors, but graduating anyway. I don't know why I went off that. Except when you don't see somebody for 42 years.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, and then you see them and it's like, wow, you know. Anyway, you had similar.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I was going to. I'll Save it for another day. I was going to tell my school. You got to tell in class. In college, you got to tell.

Chris: I would skip class so we could have lunch

>> Tim Wildmon: All we got to talk about, Chris. Got talk about over is the stock market. Oh, man, I'm Dow Jones.

>> Christopher Woodward: I've got it primed.

>> Tim Wildmon: Dow Jones is bipolar.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'll give you the. I'll give you the quick, the very quick version. my third year of college, I met a young lady. We wound up getting engaged. Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Just in Boston.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, this was in New. New Mexico.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Where my family had moved. And fortunately, she broke it off and good, Christian lady, she has since gone to be home, home with the Lord. But I wound up marrying my wife. It all worked out. But anyway, that year, I would skip class. I had a lunchtime class, and I would skip it. Skip a class. It was a sociology class, so we could have lunch together, you know, three times a week or whatever. And so the whole semester I'm just. I'm just, I'm m. Just goofing around. Now. We didn't do anything wrong. We were Christians. But I was just. I was in love with this girl. And I was skipping class so we could have lunch. And so we come up towards the final examination. And, he said what the final exam was going to be about. I had not been taking notes. I didn't know anybody in class, so I couldn't ask for their notes. And so I go and check out of the library three or four books on, Emil Durkheim or whatever, whoever it was about. And so I took the test. And, the next class. I did go to the next class. And he said everyone did very well except for one student who almost made it seem like he never attended class because I have no idea where he got all these answers. It was. It was a take home test. That's what it was.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And so I'm. I'm scrambling research. and, she said it's almost as if he had never been in class. When he handed me my test, I got. I got a.

>> Tim Wildmon: You passed.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I did. I barely passed. But that was. That was stupidity.

>> Tim Wildmon: it was. Yeah. You, laugh about it now.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You laugh about. Man, I was scared.

>> Tim Wildmon: Not funny.

>> Ed Vitagliano: My dad would say, oh, why did.

>> Tim Wildmon: He get your grade? Did they pay for.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, yeah. No, yeah. and the semester before, I had gotten a C. And, just as one quick. One quick thing.

>> Tim Wildmon: Sure.

>> Ed Vitagliano: This one quick story. This is my first year as a Christian, and I took a class. I had to take a science class. So I took a class on physics, Physics of light. And it was very hard for me. I wound up getting a C, which I explained to my dad. I said, it's physics, you know? but, for the final exam, I didn't study, and I went into class and I prayed. This is how. This is how you misuse the Bible. I said, lord, your word says whatever I ask in faith. And so for each question on the test. Kids, do not try this at home. For each question on the test, I would just close my eyes and say, holy Spirit, tell me which letter to. And I build it out, and I got the highest grade on the test. I just. I completely.

>> Tim Wildmon: You wouldn't. You wouldn't encourage people to do that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Good grief, no.

>> Tim Wildmon: And what were you thinking? You just.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, so anyway, anyway, I'm sure there are times, right, to our listeners, that God looked at you and said, I'm helping you out.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: But this is.

>> Tim Wildmon: You don't deserve this thing. Yeah, all right, well.

These stories terrify me as the parent of somebody in high school

All right.

>> Christopher Woodward: I got to tell you, it's stories like these that terrify me as the parent of somebody in high school. And m. Starting to think about college and where she's going to go and whatever else.

>> Tim Wildmon: Man, I was so glad college was over. Yeah, I like my college years, but I had, like, pds. What do you call it, ptsd on tests for, like, five years after, you know how you.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You took tests after you got out of school?

>> Fred Jackson: I didn't.

>> Tim Wildmon: I didn't test like you. You know, you wake up in the middle of the night.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Three years after you graduate, you wake up in the middle of the night going, I got a test tomorrow. Yeah, no, I don't. I've already have a test today.

Wall Street Journal reports White House considering slashing China tariffs to de escalate trade war

All right, speaking of the stock market.

>> Christopher Woodward: Oh, thank you so much.

>> Tim Wildmon: What happened there?

>> Christopher Woodward: Well, let me tell you this. We need to keep a check on stocks today because according to the Wall Street Journal this morning, as of about 45 minutes ago, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that the White House may be considering slashing Chinese tariffs to de escalate the trade war. it says the Trump administration is considering slashing its steep tariffs on China imports, in some cases by more than half, in a bid to de escalate tensions with Beijing that have rolled back global trade and investment, according to people familiar with the matter. President Trump has not made a final determination, the people said, adding that the discussions remain fluid and several options are on the table. The key points you need to take away here, folks, is that if this is True. here's how it may roll out. tariffs could come down to roughly 50 to 65%. It would be a tiered approach, considered.

>> Tim Wildmon: Are you talking about China?

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, go ahead.

>> Christopher Woodward: This is the one where Trump has said, you know, we're going him hard being.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes. Now, I bring all this up because much like yesterday, which, by the way, your 401k did pretty good yesterday for most people listening. And what you need to know right now is that these stocks are still up right now with hours to go, but the dow is up 840, the NASDAQ 585, the S&P 500. If this is true, investors will like this whether it's right or wrong. And we could see a positive finish again today on Wall Street.

>> Tim Wildmon: Brad, what do you think about this?

>> Fred Jackson: Well, this. There is a mood change in the last couple of days. Yesterday, President Trump, remember he said a few days ago he doesn't like the Federal reserve chairman.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Fred Jackson: Mr. Powell.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: yesterday, I'm not going to fire him. Don't worry. I'm not going to fire him.

>> Christopher Woodward: Right.

>> Fred Jackson: Then the White House yesterday, Caroline Levitt, during her briefing yesterday said, we have now, 18 proposed settlements with 18 different countries. Vance. Vice President Vance is in India. He was saying yesterday we're going to work out a great deal with India. All right. So, I'm not sure whether the chaos that we've seen over the last couple of weeks because of the tariff war, trade war, what it's done to stock market, but it appears there's been a shift, at least that. and the, the line coming out of the administration, everything's going to be all right. And this, this Wall Street Journal story this morning on the China tariffs yesterday, President Trump says, I'm great friends with the Chinese leader, Xi. I mean, we're just great friends. And so all of this is pointing towards. And some people are going to say, told, you Art of the deal.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: You know, go there. President Trump is punching and punching and punching, and now he's stepping back and saying Kumbaya.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: You know, everything's gonna be okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. I can, tell my. So the stock market's up now because the White House is what they are.

>> Christopher Woodward: Considering slashing China tariffs to de. Escalate the trade war. Also, Trump said he's not going to fire Powell.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: How do I say this without taking off all President Trump's fans that listen to our show?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: How do I say this? Because I, I too, am a fan.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And have applauded President Trump many, many times. And I love the things that. Every day it's been Christmas.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, right.

>> Tim Wildmon: His first couple months of his administration. Now, here comes the. You need to turn the radio off if you get your feelings hurt, because.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Some are easily triggered.

>> Tim Wildmon: Very easily triggered. I don't. I'm sure. I'm sure he has a plan, but I don't understand why you. He, you can't believe what he says one day to the next publicly.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, what he publicly says.

>> Tim Wildmon: What he publicly says because he's, he changes his mind on a dime. And I'm not saying he has any. He didn't set out every morning to go. You know, I think I'm going to contradict what I said yesterday. Yeah, I don't think he does that. I just do think it's that. Back to the art of the deal. To practice the art of the deal, you have to manipulate people and you have.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Off balance.

>> Tim Wildmon: You have to keep them off balance. That's the way the world works. That's the way a lot of business works. Negotiation and all that. not, not let them see all your cards.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So. So. But when you do that as president, it causes great volatility and uncertainty, and that's why the stock market's been all over the place and the economy.

Fred Seibert: Sometimes your actions have unintended consequences

And I've heard a lot of people say, I don't understand what Trump's doing with these tariffs. Well, I don't either, because I don't understand them very much. I do get the concept that President Trump's talking about when he says, you know, we need to equal the playing field because our, our people, we trade with, tariff us, and then we don't tariff them, and that's not fair.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, I'm with you right there, brother. But, but, sometimes your actions have unintended consequences. And if you do things too fast, too hard, too quick, too broad, then you get a, a reaction that you didn't expect. I guess I could say. Now, President Trump did say there's going to be some rough waters ahead.

>> Amber Brown: M. Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, but when we're, when he's doing all these tariffs. But here's my bottom line point. if the White House today is saying they're going to do something that they said they wouldn't do last week, and it caused all this chaos, for what purpose? That's my question. I'm not making an accusation against President Trump. I'm just. I guess that'll play out in the coming days and weeks. But if, if if they, if the White House has said, we're not changing anything, this is hard and fast. We're putting 150% tariff on all things China. And now the, And now it looks like it's going to be a. Not, going to work politically because Americans are going to have to pay a lot more. And then he backs down. Well, then say I back down because this doesn't. This. Of course, he's never said that before.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right, right.

>> Tim Wildmon: M. Because this, this is not going to work. You understand what I'm.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Am I making myself.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I listen and, I agree. Here's. Here's the thing. I would say, nobody elected me president, but I'm.

>> Tim Wildmon: And you're not running either, and I'm not running. I tried to talk into it. I said, you know, you're. You're a DEI guy.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, you know, you're half Greek, half Italian, but you're fully American.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: I was going to be your campaign chairman.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Going to be a good dei, president.

>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, so. So nobody's asked me for what I'm about to say, and I don't know whether it would work. And I'm certainly, I'm certainly not Trump. Trump, as I've said, is a generational individual. You don't see individuals like Donald Trump, but probably once every 50 or 75 years. So he is unique. And, I think God is using him in a number of levels, I would have preferred to say. And so this is just my opinion that President Trump, when he came into office, start off and he has. Doing the things he said he would do with regards to immigration and all those things. and then rather than just start slapping tariffs every which way you could, okay, I would have picked two or three countries and I would have, I would have said, okay, we are going to now try to balance our trade deficit. Last year was over a trillion dollars, and we're starting with these three countries and we are going to work things through, but we're not doing this anymore. So the rest of you get ready. Start thinking about what you can do, because we're coming to everybody. And I think that approach would have been. Would have been far, safer in terms of, almost overturning the world economy. And the stock market is just lay it out and say, listen, we're not doing this anymore. So. And I personally would not have started with Canada and Mexico. I think that was a mistake. They are our, our neighbors and two of our, two of our closest allies. I would have Waited on them, but nobody asked me and I didn't get elected. But that's what I would have preferred to see.

>> Tim Wildmon: Fred.

>> Fred Jackson: I think at the end of the day, this was all intentional by the president. I think he went out there.

>> Tim Wildmon: And he threw the ball hard with China.

>> Ed Vitagliano: With China and with everybody else.

>> Fred Jackson: And with everybody else.

>> Tim Wildmon: But now he's backing down.

>> Fred Jackson: Well, some would see it that way, but he would say it worked because I'm going to get out of this what I wanted. That's why.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So you think there's back channel discussions?

>> Fred Jackson: I think that's been that way all the way along.

>> Christopher Woodward: We're still going to have.

>> Tim Wildmon: Does this article say what America. Does America get what Trump wanted?

>> Christopher Woodward: I don't see that in those exact.

>> Tim Wildmon: What does it say?

>> Christopher Woodward: Well, basically we're going to. Tariffs could come down to between roughly 50% and 65%. So we're still going to tariff them. It's just not going to be the full on 100%.

>> Tim Wildmon: Plus, I guess I'm asking why the back off?

>> Christopher Woodward: Well, according to the source that the Wall Street Journal interviewed, it's to de escalate tensions with Beijing.

>> Tim Wildmon: But he escalated them.

>> Christopher Woodward: M. Right. That have impact global trade and investment, which is why stocks.

>> Tim Wildmon: Why escalate them? Did I de escalate them and I get credit?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, am I the only one?

There's a lot we don't know about China-U.S. tensions

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, the only thing. But see, there's a lot we don't know. So if in escalating, backdoor through backdoor channels, they were discussing and she of Xi Jinping of China said, all right, we'll come to the table, but you need to do. You need to drop this drop.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well if that happened, that happens in, out then, now, then I'll understand. Yeah, yeah. But right now it seems like if.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Nothing changes going forward, then it's. It looks like a bluff.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He got called.

>> Tim Wildmon: We'll be back momentarily. Stay with us.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Will you take a moment and celebrate life with me?

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Jenna Ellis joins American Family Radio to discuss today's issues

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back everybody, to Today's Issues here on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr. I'm, Tim, Ed is with me and Fred's with me and Chris. Also. We thank you for listening to American Radio, Family Radio. Well, the, President, United States Donald Trump and the United States Supreme Court are at loggerheads seemingly about what to do on the issue of deportation of illegal immigrants. And it's kind of confusing for the public, I think, trying to understand and sort this out. and, so we've asked Jenna to come on. Jenna Ellis from host of, host of Jenna Ellis in the Morning heard on American Family Radio 7-8-00 Central Time each weekday morning. and host of the On Demand podcast found on afr.net where Jenna does deep dives into various and sundry topics that you will find of interest. And so we'll let her talk about that as well. But. Good morning, Jenna.

>> Amber Brown: Good morning. Thanks so much for having me.

Jenna: It's because I'm on my car's Bluetooth

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, so, are you gonna, are you driving?

>> Amber Brown: I am driving, but at the moment I am stopped, so.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Amber Brown: A little different than I normally am on radio. It's because I'm on my car's Bluetooth.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, I don't want to put you at risk or anything. Like that's what I'm saying.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Sorry we, sorry we interrupted your trip to, Walmart, you know, or now.

>> Christopher Woodward: They got a Publix in Florida.

>> Amber Brown: I know. I got Better Homes and Gardens that, that whole collection from Walmart. I'm just saying it's pretty fantastic.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Wow.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so we'll get back to the point here, Jenna.

The Supreme Court is wrestling with whether illegal immigrants get due process rights

what about this? The what? the supreme, court had a seven to two decision the other day which, against what the president is doing overall. That's the, that's what I got from it now, but it wasn't a real decision in the sense that it wasn't a court case. can you explain what's going on here?

>> Amber Brown: Yeah, so there's, there are a number of cases and a number of opinions from the Supreme Court. And so it is confusing because there was also another one that talked about this, kind of 60 day, window for self deportation. And then the seven wasn't a, total opinion on the merits. And so a lot of this is confusing. But the bottom line is that the Supreme Court is wrestling basically with the issue generally of whether people who have come here illegally, so they've already broken the law, get the protections of due process from the constitution. And as J.D. vance, I think, very rightly said in a pretty lengthy X post, on social media, that when you're talking about due process, you literally need to talk about what type of process is due or owed to a particular individual. And so people who have come here illegally and actually have no status, they're the same thing as a, as a, break in or a squatter in a home. You shouldn't have to go through an eviction process in the same way you would a tenant if you're a landlord, for example. So when the Supreme Court is attaching due process rights to people who are here illegally, in my view and in most, conservative constitutionalist views, if they come across the border illegally, then they're basically stealing due process rights and claiming, well, I should have my day in court and have adjudication and have, all of these rights attached when they're not American citizens and they have no claim for any type of status, whether permanent or temporary, like a student visa status would even give some other elements of due process. So overall, what people need to take away from this whole conversation and all the litigation is that the question is becoming what type of process do in court, do these illegal aliens, have a right to, under our constitutional framework?

>> Tim Wildmon: So the 7 to 2 decision the other day, it was 7:2. Right. With only Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito dissenting. That was not a permanent decision. That was a temporary decision.

>> Amber Brown: Right, Right. So it didn't reach, the full merits of my understanding of that case. Yeah. And so it was, it was basically skeptical of whether, you know, Trump's deportation notices, comply fully with due process. And so, much of this again, is not saying that Trump can't ultimately deport these illegals. It's just saying, does he have to, does his administration have to abide by specific process in order to accomplish that.

>> Fred Jackson: Jen, it's Fred here. just listening to your explanation and bringing in the comparison of someone breaking into your home and then expecting due process before we can remove them from the house. But I think I heard you saying these are people who broke into our home, this country, illegally, therefore they don't have rights for so called due process. Would you treat a person who is in the country on a student visa, or a green card differently? Do they have some right to due process versus the person who broke into the country?

>> Amber Brown: Yes, absolutely. Now do they have full citizenship rights? No, but again, this is what process is due. Well, if you are here on a student visa, then that means that you have gone through the process to obtain one prior to entering the country. And so immigration law actually does treat two buckets of people basically very differently. and it depends on whether you entered the country legally. And even if you are a holdover, your student visa expired and you're still here, basically illegally, but you came legally, then the court will treat you differently anyway, compared to people who came here and that initial contact with the United States was here illegally. And so for someone who has a student visa, if they're subject potentially to deportation, they have more process that is due if you are a permanent resident, even more heightened because it's not a temporary status, it's, it is a permanent residency. And so there are rights attached to that, that by virtue of that whole application process and that agreement basically with the United States and that individual that you have a green card, then that does entitle you to more process before you could be removed. And then of course, full citizenship is an entirely different category.

People who are similarly situated are not entitled to due process, experts say

>> Ed Vitagliano: So Jenna, is that what, when the term is used, similarly situated? Is that what we're talking about, when we're talking about due process? That the person, the person who is renting an apartment, the person who is a, a squatter, and the person who breaks in, even though all three people are in the apartment, they're not similarly situated in terms of the law. Is that what that means, that phrase?

>> Amber Brown: Yes, yes. And so that's a legal term of art that basically means by comparison. And so people who are similarly situated may mean that not all of the facts of their cases are identical. But in terms of the legal question at issue, they're similarly situated in terms of what needs to be adjudicated, what process needs to happen. they would be similarly situated. So someone, for example, who has a six month lease versus a 12 month lease, if they are looking for process for, eviction purposes. For example, they would be similarly situated in the sense that they both have a leasehold, and they would not be similarly situated to someone, who is a squatter or who came in on an Airbnb rental, for example, that doesn't have a lease term, just has a temporary contract. So when we're talking about people who are similarly situated, it means, just with respect to the legal question at issue, and for purposes of this discussion, people, who are here legally, whether it's student visa, green card, full citizen, they are not similarly situated with respect to deportation and due process as people who came illegally.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, Jenna, do you know, and maybe this isn't known where this goes next? I mean, this. Go ahead.

>> Amber Brown: Well, I think that the Trump administration is going to continue to deport. they will continue to push this as far as they can go. The litigation will also continue. And so the question, I think, for the Trump administration is when they're looking at some of these, lower district court judges, are they going to abide by those opinions or basically ignore those opinions until it gets to the Supreme Court? And that's a fascinating legal question. but I think where this goes from here is that there's going to definitely be more litigation. And hopefully, ultimately, the US Supreme Court will recognize that people who came here illegally are not entitled to, in my opinion, due process at all, or any kind of process. But even, if they are entitled to process the very bare minimum, to simply recognize, okay, there's a court finding that you came here illegally, that's all we need. But you're subject to deportation. The problem is that the court has now told the Trump administration, you can't do mass deportations. You have to look at this on a case by case basis. That takes hours and hours and hours. And it's a way to bulk up the process so that there's not enough time to review each of these individual cases for even just the hundreds of thousands of people that came in during the Biden administration. So that's going to be another outstanding legal question. And I think from here, we just have to wait and see what both the administration and the Supreme Court decides.

>> Tim Wildmon: Gotcha.

Jenna Ellis in the Morning is heard on American family radio

All right, Jenna Ellis joining us right now. So, Jenna Ellis in the Morning is heard each weekday here on American family radio from 7 to 8 o'clock Central Time. And then the On Demand podcast is weekly@, afr.net afr.net the on demand podcast is hosted by Jenna. What are you going to be talking about this week. Yes.

>> Amber Brown: Speaking of the Supreme Court, we're doing a deep dive into parental rights and the case that was argued yesterday in front of the Supreme Court as far as, exposure, by public schools for young children to LGBTQ content that parents object to. And why, in my view, this is not just a religious freedom issue. This comes back to fundamental pre political parental rights. So we're going to be doing a deep dive into that topic.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's at afr.net you can click on the podcast section there. It's easy to find. And then Jenna's show called On Demand, hosted by Jenna Ellis. And the topic is the one she just described. All right, Jenna, back on the road. Thank you. All right, see you.

>> Amber Brown: Thanks, guys.

>> Tim Wildmon: Bye. Bye.

The hurricane season starts June 1 and runs until November

That's Jenna Ellis joining us, from Central Florida. Hurricane free today the hurricane free day starts June 1st. Yeah, Central Florida, then they don't get it like the coast do there. You know, the hurricanes. You said what now?

>> Christopher Woodward: The Hurricane season starts June 1 and then runs until November. Pretty much stops. Yeah, there was one in 2005. 2006 is when it went like past Christmas. They ran out of names. They just started doing, like, Greek letters. Hurricane Theta Epsilon. Yeah, there you go. They started sounding like fraternity brothers.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so, thanks to Jenna there, for joining us. You're listening, to this radio program and it's called Today's Issues here on the American Family Radio Network. You want to send us an email? You, can do [email protected], commentsfr Next story.

Christian, Muslim and Jewish parents going to Supreme Court over LGBTQ books

>> Christopher Woodward: Chris, I do want to mention, at least for a moment, that case that she ended, the discussion with the topic that she's going to be discussing in future installments of her show. I mentioned this on the show yesterday, and the reason why is because, the parents were going into the Supreme Court to make their argument. Arguments have taken place now. We have kind of the reaction or the coverage of, what justices had to say and all that stuff you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Might real quickly tell the folks who don't know.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Christopher Woodward: This is a case called Mahmoud v. Taylor. It is from Christian, Muslim and Jewish parents out of Montgomery County, Maryland. This inter religious coalition of parents say that the Montgomery county board of, schools there took away their opt out, options and included their kids in instruction time that involved LGBTQ books. And these are like radical books like Uncle Bobby's Wedding and How I Feel Today in Prince and Night, A Love Story. These, these kinds of radical LGBTQ books. So the Christian, Muslim and Jewish Parents say that Montgomery county schools took away their opt out. They want that back. And interestingly enough, even Justice Kagan, a liberal justice nominated to the court by one Barack Obama, took issue with these books. Don't take my award for it. Clip 6 I too was struck by.

>> Tim Wildmon: these are, you know, young kids picture books and on matters concerning sexuality, I suspect there are a lot of non religious parents who weren't all that thrilled about this. And then you add in religion, and that's m even more serious.

>> Christopher Woodward: Now one other thing that really stood out, in terms of the news coverage and the arguments yesterday. The left has tried to make this about book banning and hateful people that don't want kids reading LGBTQ books. But even Justice Brett Kavanaugh was able to confirm that parents just want the opt out. It's not that they can't read these books. It's not that kids can't have the books, touch the books, look at the books, whatever. Parents just want the opt out back. Clip 7 Just to be clear, your.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Position in this case is that you're not seeking to alter the instruction in the classroom or what's the content of the classroom. You're only seeking not for this, these children to be forced to remain in the classroom. Correct.

>> Amber Brown: Exactly.

>> Christopher Woodward: Now, one other thing that really stood out yesterday, Teachers union leader Randy Weingarten appeared on Fox News Channel, of all places and said things like, quote, these would not be the books I would be reading to kids who are 4 to 6 years old.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And she's, president of the American Federation.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes. Very liberal. And for her to say that on Fox News Channel, I think pretty much shuts the door on this case, which.

>> Tim Wildmon: Is why she'd be drinking.

>> Christopher Woodward: not that I'm aware of.

>> Tim Wildmon: It doesn't sound like her at all.

>> Christopher Woodward: It does not. It does not.

>> Tim Wildmon: But I have to bring lunchtime martini sound like to me.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, go ahead.

>> Fred Jackson: You know, she was being interviewed by Fox, which to the best of my knowledge is the first time that she has been interviewed on Fox News. Yeah, she did a very lengthy interview with Marshall McCollum yesterday and I was shocked at that statement, but we did.

>> Tim Wildmon: What we just heard.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, I was shocked by what she, she said. These are not the type of books I parents would be.

>> Tim Wildmon: It must be really bad.

>> Fred Jackson: Oh, they are to say that they paint homosexuality, transgenderism in a very, these books. Yeah, A very positive light. And keep in mind, this school district, Montgomery county school district wants kids as young as 4 years old to be Exposed. This is not books on a shelf. These are teachers reading these books to these students.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Let me tell you another thing here. Just put the Supreme Court argument aside that these parents are wanting the right to opt out. They need to take over that school board. They need to.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Parents, you mean?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, they need to. Those who are opposed to what we've just been talking about here. These pornographic books being, I. I.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Don'T think these are all pornographic.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Yeah, well, they're not pornographic in the sense of, graphics. Yeah, but they are, they're advocating.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: And promoting a. Homosexuality and bisexuality and transgenderism and all those things. The LGBTQ to small children.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: What grades are we talking about here?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Kindergarten.

>> Fred Jackson: Kindergarten.

>> Christopher Woodward: Third elementary.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's. It's, like K4.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. It shouldn't be too hard to rally the parents in that school district to get the, school board to get these books out. And if they don't get the books out, then you get that school board out. And maybe they are trying this. Maybe there's a dual track here.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It is a very liberal county. I will say that. So that.

>> Tim Wildmon: That may be more liberal than Randy Weingartner.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, no, I have a. I have a different. I have a different take on why Randy Weingarten might be saying that. What she said. But Montgomery county, if I'm not mistaken, this is a county that, if I've got the right, Montgomery county, that they want. That wants, to hand out condoms even to grade schoolers. I mean, this is a very pro sexual revolution county. so what I'm saying is, I got you. The percentage of parents who want to see the school board change might not be large enough to vote all these whack jobs off.

Randy Weingarten appeared on Fox News with Martha McCallum yesterday

>> Tim Wildmon: This is San Francisco East.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. and Maryland generally is fairly liberal on cultural issues. But I do want to just mention that I'm not sure that Randy Weingarten is suddenly becoming reasonable on these issues. I think she is. And others on the left are starting to see that the tide has turned somewhat and that going pro, 100% pro trans is not a winning formula if you're the Democratic Party, which the American Federation of Teachers is absolutely in bed with. And so, and also I think there's some worry amongst public schools and teachers unions that more and more parents are going to jerk their kids out of school and homeschool or send them to Christian school.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And they could wind up seeing a continue continuation of the drain of, of, students in public School to.

>> Christopher Woodward: Give people more of the experience. That was Randy on Fox News with Martha McCallum.

>> Tim Wildmon: We have wine gardener or wine garden?

>> Christopher Woodward: Wine garden.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Wine guard.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Wine guard. Like a wine garden.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Basically, it's garden. It's TRTN garden.

>> Christopher Woodward: I'm just Southern.

>> Tim Wildmon: Just so people who don't follow this closely. She's the number one spokesman for the teachers unions in the country.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Because her organization represents more public school teachers than any other. True.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Maybe the NEA might be up there with the National Education association, but she is the one that I see the most representing teachers.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's who we're talking about.

>> Christopher Woodward: It was a very lively discussion that lasted almost 15 minutes. And I'll post the link to the entire video on our Today's Issues Facebook page so that you, too can see what I witnessed for 14 minutes and 51 seconds yesterday. But for the time being, here's a 44 second excerpt between, Martha and Randy. Clip 8.

>> Tim Wildmon: I say this as someone who is a gay person, who understand.

>> Amber Brown: Who understands that we have to actually.

>> Tim Wildmon: Make sure that families are respected and families are safe and kids are safe, and that differences are acknowledged and differences are embraced. but, you know, once you get a case like this where, you know, parents are uncomfortable about what is being read to their kids, to their kids in a classroom, this is something that has to be dealt with in a local level, not in the Supreme Court. And so parents have rights, and they should have rights in terms of what is being taught in classrooms.

>> Amber Brown: You have very, very difficult.

>> Tim Wildmon: Martha, Martha, sweetheart, sweetheart, listen to me. Please don't call me sweetheart. She does.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm sorry, My.

>> Tim Wildmon: My bad.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I didn't know this until just now. This is why this show exists. Randy Weingarten. I didn't know she was a lesbian.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Okay, well, that, that, that's.

>> Fred Jackson: That even adds to this.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That adds. Because she said, as a gay person, lgbtq. all right, well, that's why we're here. That's why we're here.

American Federation for Teachers head is a lesbian

>> Tim Wildmon: Next story.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Chris the head. The head of the American Federation for Teachers is a lesbian. Now, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with there. You are gay people working. But in terms of.

>> Tim Wildmon: If you have to say that there's nothing, not there's anything wrong with that, then you really believe there is something wrong.

>> Ed Vitagliano: The point I was trying to make, I'm, surrounded by wise guys. All right? I have no problem with LGBTQ people having a job, but if you're going to have a job that helps to determine public policy for schools and our kids, then it does matter if you have a lesbian over a teacher's union when we're discussing whether to have these books.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So that. That does concern me. But if you're. If you're working at, at the local Chipotle. I don't care.

>> Tim Wildmon: In Mexico City.

>> Ed Vitagliano: In Mexico. Yes. All right. All right.

>> Christopher Woodward: In other news.

>> Tim Wildmon: Three minutes left here, Chris.

Minnesota AG Keith Ellison files lawsuit against President Trump over transgender sports ban

>> Christopher Woodward: In other news, the list of states fighting President Trump and his executive order barring males from female sports. The list of states fighting him.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Christopher Woodward: Is growing.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Christopher Woodward: Minnesota is now on that list. Because on AFN Net, you will see a story of how Democratic Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison has filed a lawsuit against President Trump seeking to block his administration from acting against Minnesota in the way it's taking on Maine under federal push to ban dudes from female sports. I have some audio from Keith Ellison, if you're interested.

>> Tim Wildmon: that's the ag there. It sure is wackadoodle.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes. Clip 10 I'd like to announce that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm suing the President of the United.

>> Fred Jackson: States, Donald Trump, and Attorney General Pam.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Bondi and the United States, Department of Justice. here is the opening line of our lawsuit. Minnesota brings this lawsuit to stop President.

>> Fred Jackson: Trump and his administration from bullying vulnerable.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Children in this state.

>> Fred Jackson: In January and February, President Trump issued.

>> Ed Vitagliano: A series of executive orders targeting transgender people. One in particular banned transgender girls and women participating on sports teams with other girls and women.

>> Fred Jackson: Complying with the sports executive order from the president would violate Minnesota Human Rights Act.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, that's just crazy.

>> Christopher Woodward: Yes. At least one person in government in Minnesota agrees with Trump here. And I say that based on the fact that House Speaker Lisa DeMuth of Cold Spring, Minnesota backs Trump's position and.

>> Tim Wildmon: Disagrees with Ellis, continues to be a loser for Democrats. I don't know why this guy is, He must really be a true believer that dudes who say they're girls are girls. That's. That's what. That's the way he spoke right there. And instead of saying President Trump is trying to protect young women in athletics and their privacy, by the way, in gyms and changing areas and showers, he's saying. He's, framing it as, no, Trump's bullying transgendered kids.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So it's your whole. It's just your worldview. But these, people like Keith Ellison right there, he's. He's the AG of Minnesota, you know? I wouldn't be. Once Trump learns about this, he'll probably give Minnesota to Canada. You know what I'm saying?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Or he's gonna slap him with a tariff.

>> Tim Wildmon: Canada.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's a Minnesota coming your way.

>> Tim Wildmon: How they, On this issue in Canada, how is this playing out?

>> Fred Jackson: Well, the Liberal Liberal Party. The ruling Liberal Party. there's an election this coming Monday. The ruling Liberal Party is all in on the lgbt.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. They're just like him.

>> Fred Jackson: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: They were ahead of the curve. This is what, made Jordan Peterson famous.

>> Christopher Woodward: I got you that. In his suits.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, we shall return momentarily with more of today's issues on American Family Radio. Stay with us.

>> Ed Vitagliano: The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.

Tim, Ed and Fred talk with Chris on top news headlines of the day. Also, Jenna Ellis joins the program to discuss the Supreme Court 7-2 ruling on the temporary hold on deportations.