Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildman

Steve Jordahl Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

Tim Wildmon Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues. That's the name of this show on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Ed Wesley. And now Steve Paisley Jordan joins us. Good morning, Steve.

Steve Jordahl Good morning, everybody.

Tim Wildmon How are you doing?

Steve Jordahl I'm well, I'm well.

Tim Wildmon Well, busy morning, but busy morning. Busy in the, Busy in the news department.

Steve Jordahl A lot of news going on. Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Well, that's why you're here.

Steve Jordahl That's his.

Tim Wildmon It is what you live for.

Steve Jordahl I got four stories I, I'd like to get to. If we get to go. Okay.

Tim Wildmon I'm serious. We're not going to sit here and argue about what puns are.

Wesley Wildmon We're not gonna do. We did that during the break. We did not do anything.

Tim Wildmon First. It divides Christian brethren.

Ed Vitagliano it's divisive.

Tim Wildmon It's. Life's too short. Yes, go ahead.

Ed Vitagliano Not that important.

Massachusetts Department of Children and Families takes custody of five children

Steve Jordahl This from LifeSite News Massachusetts. Department of Children and Families is under fire for taking custody of five children from a family, a homeschooling family, after a pediatrician reported that they refused to vaccinate their nine month old healthy baby due to religious reasons.

Tim Wildmon Is this, is this today, this story breaking?

Steve Jordahl this. But it's been going. The fifth, I think is when they were first got into trouble.

Tim Wildmon When 5th of April.

Steve Jordahl so basically what happened is the pediatrician sent a note to Family Child Services. They came knocking on the door in Massachusetts and, they wouldn't let them in. And so they came back to the next two with more. And this family thought, well, we can't do this. We're going to Texas because a lot of freedom in Texas. So they went to, this their biological child.

Wesley Wildmon Yes. I'm just trying to get all the information possible.

Steve Jordahl They were in Fitchburg, Massachusetts and they went to, Whitney, Texas on March 8th. They asked for extradition. They went and arrested them in Texas. And the Texas Department of Child and Family services, according to LifeSite News, took the children away, placed them with family members back in Massachusetts, but, and arrested the parents.

Ed Vitagliano Arrested the parents.

Wesley Wildmon You can't be the only ones that are not this. Are saying, no, we're not vaccinating our kids.

Steve Jordahl Well, what Pediatrician.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, I do need to add a little bit on this. When this went to. Is it, is it, dhs, what do they call it in Massachusetts?

Steve Jordahl Department of Department, of Children and Families.

Ed Vitagliano Okay. So they told the parents, we are going if the baby is not Vaccinated. We're taking all five of your kids away. And after they heard that, that's when they went to Texas and the Department of Children and Families called the police and. And said the parents have kidnapped the kids.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Ed Vitagliano Because the kids are now, since we said we're going to take them away, are, ah, now wards of the state. These parents have kidnapped their own.

Steve Jordahl Their own children. It takes a village, Ed.

Ed Vitagliano yeah, this. This is. This is the kind of insanity that's going on in blue states.

Tim Wildmon Yep.

Ed Vitagliano But you better. You better make sure it doesn't go on in your. Your own.

Steve Jordahl There's a red state that's complicit in.

Ed Vitagliano This because Texas honored the extradition.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano request from Massachusetts. So the kids are now in. Whatever they call it there in Massachusetts. Foster care or whatever.

Steve Jordahl They're with family members.

Ed Vitagliano They're with family members. The parents are arrested for kidnapping their own children. And the. And some of the stories I saw on this that the headline says, couple arrested after kidnapping five children. It doesn't even mention in the headline that it's their own.

Wesley Wildmon I got a question. So did they. Again, did, Just don't throw stuff. I'm just asking.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, sure.

Wesley Wildmon Did they. Or did they move or did they go there for the weekend to escape, but that something they knew was coming into the house.

Steve Jordahl They fled.

Ed Vitagliano That they fled with the kids because Massachusetts told them, we're taking your children away.

Wesley Wildmon Okay. But they fled, meaning they were planning on coming back or they were moving. Meaning they were.

Ed Vitagliano I think they start new roots as.

Steve Jordahl Long as it took to. To clear it up. They didn't tell them.

Tim Wildmon So the pediatrician,

Wesley Wildmon I'm just having a heart. Yeah, go ahead.

Tim Wildmon The pediatrician called the law, called the.

Ed Vitagliano the Department of Children's and families.

Steve Jordahl Filed a 51 a child.

Ed Vitagliano I guess they're supposed to. Yeah, they're supposed to report.

Tim Wildmon Let me get right. The pediatrician can call the government to report on a client.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon A, client. A patient. But a sheriff's office can't call ICE to report on a illegal, immigrant potentially doing harm or has been arrested.

You get sanctuary city, not for parent rental rights, but for illegal aliens

Ed Vitagliano Yes.

Tim Wildmon so you get sanctuary city, not for parent rental rights, but for illegal, aliens. That's. That. That's a blue state for you.

Ed Vitagliano That's a blue state for you.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. All right.

States typically do, uh, extradite. I could see this happening in some states

So anyway. So what's the. Listen, I, would imagine I don't know the whole story, but I would imagine that states typically do, extradite. Help each other out without a lot of,

Wesley Wildmon Yeah, Somebody. Yeah, but there has to be, hopefully, a consequence of this for the government. There has to be some form of a. The Massachusetts, dhs. Is that what it is?

Steve Jordahl Their attorney's name is Kevin Larson.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah. So who. Whoever he works for needs to be countersued. Any. Or just sued by the. By the family for taking their kids. The family needs. The family. Where their kids were taken from, that family needs to sue them.

Steve Jordahl Sue Massachusetts.

Wesley Wildmon I would.

Tim Wildmon I could see this happening in states that are deep blue, like. Like Massachusetts.

Wesley Wildmon you know how crazy that sounds, though? I mean, I'm talking about, like, you want to get me off the couch quick, right?

Tim Wildmon I know. California. I could see this happening.

Wesley Wildmon I'm gonna. I'm gonna go pretty close.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Wesley Wildmon You save me if you need to. Okay. I'm gonna go real close.

Ed Vitagliano Okay.

Wesley Wildmon This is one of those, that you just. You just. You have to rebel against the government. And I. I. I would put hands on whoever came to the door, even if it was a government official. This is not one where I would concede. I wouldn't submit to the government on this one.

Ed Vitagliano I. I would have to agree with you.

Wesley Wildmon I would have to go to. I. If it can't. If they came to my house over this, even if it was an officer, even if it was a sheriff.

Tim Wildmon We get the idea.

Wesley Wildmon Okay. You mean.

Steve Jordahl I agree. You're.

Tim Wildmon You're. We understand what you're saying.

Wesley Wildmon Did I cross the line?

Tim Wildmon No, you didn't.

Wesley Wildmon Okay.

Steve Jordahl If they came to my house, I'm calling you.

Wesley Wildmon Mm.

Steve Jordahl I'm way too old.

Family in Massachusetts with five children accused of kidnapping on religious grounds

Tim Wildmon Let me ask you this. So. So. So what's. So where does this stand right now? Who's representing the. The parents?

Steve Jordahl An attorney named Kevin Larson, who I will call later on today.

Wesley Wildmon Okay.

Steve Jordahl And the parents, I believe, are still in, jail. And the kids are,

Tim Wildmon Keep us posted on this story.

Steve Jordahl I certainly will.

Tim Wildmon Okay. We will put this story on our Today's Issues Facebook page momentarily.

Ed Vitagliano And LifeSite News is a reliable news source.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, but this.

Tim Wildmon So just.

Steve Jordahl No, no.

Tim Wildmon Just to review. To synopsize a family in Massachusetts with five children. True.

Steve Jordahl Yes.

Tim Wildmon And there, they did not,

Ed Vitagliano Pediatrician wanted to give the newborn.

Steve Jordahl Upsize it for us a vaccine and a healthy newborn. The parents refused on religious grounds, which is, allowed under Massachusetts law. I read, department. The pediatrician reported them to Family Services. Family Services came to visit to do an inspection, and they weren't let in. Then they decided to take the kids away. The family and the five kids fled to Texas. Where? Massachusetts. Asked Texas to help them deport them back. Which Texas did. They took the five kids away placing with family members. And the two parents, I believe, are still in jail.

Ed Vitagliano And they are under arrest and charged with five counts of kidnapping, which means they could spend the rest of their lives in prison. Okay, this. This is.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano I'll tell you what. What might even happen is Massachusetts will say, we'll drop the kidnapping charges, but you drop all rights to get your kids back. They may offer that deal, but if they don't, these two parents are. Are on the hook for five counts of kidnapping. Kidnapping their own children.

Tim Wildmon The four oldest children have since been placed with, Encarnacion.

Steve Jordahl That's the mothers.

Tim Wildmon Their mothers with the mother. And youngest is with his sister.

Wesley Wildmon I hope that pediatrician feels real good about herself.

Ed Vitagliano He's a guy.

Wesley Wildmon Oh.

Tim Wildmon So he may identify as a she, but.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Message m. He in the story here. Next story. Steve.

Three Democratic congressmen are going to El Salvador to visit missing gang member

Steve Jordahl All right. Democrats continue to, endear themselves to the American people with their political stances. Absolutely, absolutely. I want you to listen. there's a congressional delegation of Democrats.

Tim Wildmon What's that. What he did right there? Sarcasm.

Ed Vitagliano Oh, yes, that's right. Absolutely.

Tim Wildmon Go ahead.

Steve Jordahl Yes, a congressional delegation of three, Democrat congressmen. Right. Robert Garcia, Maxwell Frost, and Chris Van Hollen. Senator Chris Van Hollen are going on a congressional fact finding mission to El Salvador to visit Ms. 13 gang member Kilmar Albergo Garcia. They want to show solidarity with him if he's not returned. I kid you not.

Ed Vitagliano Gang member.

Steve Jordahl Yes. Cut one.

Speaker E I don't even know if we announced this, but I am planning tomorrow to go to El Salvador to work. To bring. To work to bring him home. The Trump administration themselves admitted in federal court that he was wrongfully abducted from the United States.

Steve Jordahl I don't think they said abducted.

Ed Vitagliano So this. Who was that? That was,

Steve Jordahl That was Maxwell Frost. No, that was Senator Chris Van Hollen.

Ed Vitagliano Okay. I had to do that.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano When I heard the name Maxwell, I. I had to go with Maxwell.

Tim Wildmon Maxwell M. I was thinking good to the last drop.

Ed Vitagliano Ok. Yeah, listen. That.

Tim Wildmon This.

Ed Vitagliano The Democratic Party is. They're siding with gang members.

Tim Wildmon All right, listen.

Ed Vitagliano And this guy's allegedly a human trafficker.

Steve Jordahl What could possibly go wrong in two years for the return?

Tim Wildmon All right, listen, I'm gonna play the part of the liberal here, okay? I'm gonna explain. So I'm gonna tell you, but I'm not. Do not call me or email me or text me saying you believe such. I. I'm having to say this so that we can at least have a conversation. What might Right. Be wrong with this story or might. Okay. What. What I think they need to be really, really careful of.

Ed Vitagliano Okay.

Tim Wildmon I'm sure they are. By they, I mean ICE and the people.

Ed Vitagliano The Trump administration.

Tim Wildmon Trump administration. I would hate for a innocent person. My word. To be picked up and put on a plane to El Salvador.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Tim Wildmon And then, you know what I'm saying, languish there with nobody advocating for them.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon so I'm not saying that's what happened here. I'm just saying if that happened, that would be horrible. Can we all agree?

Ed Vitagliano Oh, yes. No, Absolutely. In the rush to get as many people out as possible, you have some people who aren't members of the gang of a gang, have the same name or something. Something like that.

Tim Wildmon Yes. So I don't mind, if somebody needs to admit a mistake, you know, and if. And I'm sure it might happen and you might have to go get somebody back from the prison. Once you learn that you've made a mistake, it's a serious. It's a, You understand what I'm saying, Right. It doesn't mean you don't continue with your mission. You can't stop it because there's a mistake made. But at the same time, I, can understand the feelings of a family that this happens to one of their loved ones or friends or something like that. So if that happens, that's. That needs to be rectified and corrected and changed and a wrong made right in that. But I think what we're arguing over here. When I will. We're arguing. But the arguments over here is the Trump administration is saying we can prove this guy is a gang, has gang connections or gang member.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Tim Wildmon Ms. 13.

Ed Vitagliano And he's a leader.

Steve Jordahl He had an order from the U.S. like ICE or somewhere, the U.S. government to hold him here because he would be in danger if he went back. El Salvador. The Trump administration missed that, but,

Tim Wildmon What do you mean, missed it?

Steve Jordahl Well, they, they sent him regardless. I don't think they. I think they did not see the order to.

The White House has defended the deportation, alleging his ties to MS

It was late in coming or. I don't know why.

Ed Vitagliano And this was. And that. This is the whole thing. When he was in midair and the judge said, you got to bring him back, though. I think the same guy.

Steve Jordahl That's a different.

Tim Wildmon That was a bunch of guys that happened. They had planeloads of people.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Headed to El Salvador. When that judge said, turn the planes around. And they didn't. They went on ahead and took them down.

Ed Vitagliano It's a valid point, you're saying, because just because someone is an illegal immigrant here in the country illegally doesn't make them a gang member. And you can't put them in a prison with gang members is what you're saying. And the worry would be that once they're in an El Salvadoran prison, who's going to get them out if they're there?

Steve Jordahl Well, they're wrongly. If that was the case. The White House has defended the deportation, alleging his ties to MS.13, a designated terrorist organization, and said his release is up to El Salvadorian President Nayib Bukele, who Donald Trump, refers to as President B.

Ed Vitagliano President B.

Steve Jordahl so, that's ongoing. But the Democrats. I think I see a Republican campaign commercial tomorrow.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, they side with Democrats going, gang members.

Steve Jordahl Show solidarity with gang members. Cuban traffic.

Tim Wildmon I know these violent criminals are let out, you know, with no cash bail and so forth in the, in these big, in the big blue states. And yet they're worried, so. But they're going to go protect, Go try to defend a gang member.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon In prison.

Steve Paisley: Good news out of South Africa about kidnapped preacher

Anyway, next story.

Steve Jordahl Steve, good news. Good news out of South Africa. Huh?

Tim Wildmon Are y'all hearing this good news?

Wesley Wildmon I heard it.

Tim Wildmon Steve is bringing the good news.

Steve Jordahl The good news. a week ago, an American pastor, missionary, his name was Josh Sullivan. He was a missionary out of Tennessee. He was preaching at a Fellowship Baptist church in Motherwell, Eastern Cape, South Africa. Armed men came and kidnapped him and abducted him and took him away. And the police in South Africa, everybody was looking for him. Well, they found him and. Let me read this, this is interesting. They found him at a safe house. So the SWAT team, whatever they call him in South Africa, goes out to the safe house. they find the criminals and, Mr. Sullivan in a car. The criminals start shooting at SWAT. SWAT returns fire. A high, I'm reading here, a high intensity shootout took place and three unidentified suspects were killed. Sullivan was found inside the same car that the suspects were in, but was miraculously unharmed. He's currently in an excellent condition.

Ed Vitagliano Wow. And he, I guess, on his way home.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, at some point.

Ed Vitagliano I can tell. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to go on a limb here, and guess what happened in this case. All right. These criminals heard there was an American preacher preaching at this church. They thought he was a televangelist, but found out he was just a poor Baptist preacher. And they couldn't get any money from him or from his family. I'm just, I'm I'm half kidding.

Steve Jordahl Well, they didn't give.

Ed Vitagliano They thought he was a televangelist and could come up with a bunch of money. because why, why kidnap a preacher?

Steve Jordahl No, no, kidnapping is almost always, if it's not for a political, like a hit job, it's almost always for ransom. And, so I don't know if a ransom note was delivered, but they did not get him back. The, South African police had to go get him and, a firefight, shoot it out with the kidnappers to get this guy back. But I think it's praise the Lord for this guy. My brother in the car, bullets going all around. The three men around him killed. looks like I'm good.

Ed Vitagliano Well, that is good news. And it does sound like God's divine protection.

Ed Vitagliano And this brother is going to.

Tim Wildmon Who died?

Steve Jordahl The three kidnappers.

Wesley Wildmon Oh, wow.

Tim Wildmon Okay.

Steve Jordahl We're still holding him.

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New study says dogs have extensive and multifarious environmental impacts

Steve Jordahl All right, we already talked about how Democrats are, endearing themselves to the American people. Well, so are global warming advocates. A new study.

Steve Jordahl Out. published in the Pacific Conservation Biology.

Tim Wildmon in the what now?

Steve Jordahl Pacific Conservation Biology Journal.

Tim Wildmon Okay. mine hasn't come. Did yours come in?

Steve Jordahl Yeah, mine is.

Tim Wildmon Mine's late again.

Steve Jordahl I peer reviewed this. So, and what they're finding is. What they're finding is dogs. Pet dogs are very bad for the environment. They have extensive and multifarious environmental impacts, disturbing wildlife, polluting waterways, and contributing to carbon emissions. According to the research, they're coming after Fido.

Ed Vitagliano Well, listen, Wesley's hackles are up again. He's fighting Matt again. Just start stirring them up. This is how to lose the debate on climate change. Yeah, okay. It was bad enough to say, hey, we got to do something with cows because of methane emissions. Most people are going, well, whatever,

Tim Wildmon How do they do that? Or is that all you're going to say about that.

Ed Vitagliano Let's move along. But if you're going to, if you're going to say dogs pose a threat to the environment.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano You're going to get all kinds of people saying, well, too bad for the environment.

Steve Jordahl That's right. this is my favorite, sentence in the whole article. I love this. While the environmental impact of cats is well known, the comparative effects of pet dogs has been poorly acknowledged. I know, I talk about the environmental impact of cats all the time. It is well known.

Ed Vitagliano This has got to be a government funded study joke. It's got to be way.

Wesley Wildmon It's coming, dad. Doge is coming on this.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. Most needs to know about this nuttiness. Good night.

Ed Vitagliano Can you imagine being told, you got to surrender, champ?

Tim Wildmon Well, no, like, Wesley said, them's fighting words. An Australian review of existing studies has argued that the environmental impact of owned dogs is far greater, more insidious and more concerning than is generally recognized.

Ed Vitagliano Nothing's more insidious than I tell you.

Tim Wildmon What we need to do. Who is it? Who are these people, Steve?

Steve Jordahl there are scientists out of a, university, I believe in Australia.

Tim Wildmon Do they know where El Salvador is?

Steve Jordahl I think they do.

Tim Wildmon We're about to round them up and send them down there. Hey, shave their heads, put tattoos on them and wish them good luck.

Steve Jordahl There you go.

Ed Vitagliano You ever think about getting some of these kind of whack jobs on the phone and doing a story with them and just let them talk and talk and talk and then, and then we just make fun of them?

Wesley Wildmon Oh, we don't do satirical stuff on our. Oh, wait, they would be you talking about for real?

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, just, just because, you know they're going to say something stupid.

Wesley Wildmon Oh, yeah, you know they're going to.

Ed Vitagliano Say dogs, should, not. We should shut down Petco and all these pet places where they give dogs out because they're bad for the environment. Then we publish that a lot of.

Wesley Wildmon Environmentalists are either single or married with no kids, older in life, with all kind of pets.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Wesley Wildmon So, like, they're not going to be the ones that's going to.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, that's just a bunch of garbage.

Steve Jordahl The authors, do recognize, they say, to a certain extent we give a free pass to dogs because they're so important to us. Not just as working dogs, but also as companions. They provide, huge benefits to their owners in mental and physical health. He also noticed dogs played a vital role. Conservation work, as in wildlife detection.

Tim Wildmon Well, then why are you bringing this.

Wesley Wildmon Up that's what I. Where's the butt here?

Tim Wildmon Well, you're gonna offset it with. They do so much good.

Steve Jordahl They have a huge environment. Carbon paw print.

Ed Vitagliano I'm telling you, kind of like what Wesley was. Was implying. At least I'll go right out and say it. I think cat ladies are behind this.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Do you really?

Ed Vitagliano They. They.

Tim Wildmon They have their cat Letty, cat lady littered all over it.

Ed Vitagliano Well, well, because cat ladies are notoriously liberal. that's probably an overgeneralization, but I'm sticking with it.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano and they want to get revenge on dogs.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Steve: People are wanting people to not have pets voluntarily

That's all. I saw a, meme underneath the story in one of the responses. It was a picture of a cat typing on a computer, and it said, the author of this story.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Oh, my word. Okay.

Wesley Wildmon But, but hold on. Did I miss something? That they provide a solution. What was their solution?

Steve Jordahl No, no, we're just letting you know the dangers. Oh, guilty.

Wesley Wildmon See, I don't. Listen, I don't care how serious or unserious someone is. If they don't provide a solution to the problem, I don't listen to them.

Ed Vitagliano Well, they're wanting people to, act, not have pets. To not have pets voluntarily.

Wesley Wildmon Okay.

Ed Vitagliano They're not going to say, we're gonna. We're gonna grab up all the pets you do have. All the dogs you do have. They just want people to kind of, you know, when they want you to self censor, they want you to just say, no, dear, we're not going to get a dog. They're bad for the environment.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano You can have a turtle.

Wesley Wildmon That's not gonna work.

Tim Wildmon You can have a turtle. All right. thank you, Steve.

Steve Jordahl My pleasure.

Tim Wildmon Thank you, Ed.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Steve Jordahl Huh?

Wesley Wildmon I don't know. For real.

Tim Wildmon Thank you, Wesley.

Wesley Wildmon Welcome.

Tim Wildmon Appreciate Fred and Brent, our producer, Abe Hamilton iii. We'll see you tomorrow, everybody. Have a great day.