Today's Issues continues on AFR with Steve Jordahl

Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the, August 13th. On August 13th, Tim with Fred. And now Steve Paisley. Jordan joins us. Good morning, Steve.

Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody.

Tim Wildmon: All right, so, Steve, what we were talking about, this very important subject that we were talking about before the break. What was your favorite outside game growing up?

Steve Jordahl: Oh, to play outside. I enjoyed baseball.

Tim Wildmon: baseball.

Steve Jordahl: Yeah, I love playing.

Tim Wildmon: How'd you play? Did you have 909 or did you play?

Steve Jordahl: I would. Well, it depends on, Sometimes there's a pickup game. We just.

Tim Wildmon: How'd you do that? I mean, how did. What were the rules?

Steve Jordahl: as best we could, we followed the rules of, at the time would be Little League, although, you know, we weren't necessarily.

Tim Wildmon: We didn't have umpires. We used to play baseball three on three.

Steve Jordahl: Never did that.

Tim Wildmon: You wonder, well, how can you do that? We had what's called pitcher's hand, and all you had to do was throw to the pitcher. First of all, the player batting. I know people don't care about this, but I do. Yeah, I do. It's, The player batting had to hit the ball on the left side of the field. That's number one. If you hit it to the right side of the field, it's an out.

Fred Jackson: Okay.

Tim Wildmon: Okay, follow me.

Steve Jordahl: So you gotta hit it to left field, not right.

Tim Wildmon: You have to hit it to the left side. Yeah, either. Yes, that's right. Either. Okay. Second thing. No bunny.

Steve Jordahl: Okay.

Tim Wildmon: Third thing is, the way you get an out is either you catch a ball, fly ball, or you throw the ball to the pitcher.

Steve Jordahl: Got it.

Tim Wildmon: Before the player reaches the base, first base, and then he's out. So, that's what we call pitcher's hand. That way you can play the picture.

Steve Jordahl: Have to be standing on the bag

Tim Wildmon: at the time pitchers at the pitcher's mound got it. So you could play three on three baseball. Pretty cool.

Fred Jackson: So. So kids with few friends got to play baseball. Yeah, I had more friends than that.

Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

Fred Jackson: Yeah.

Tim Wildmon: Sometimes we had 4 on 4 or 5 on 5, but if you had 3 on 3, you could still play.

Fred Jackson: There you go.

Tim Wildmon: There you go. So, anyway, so in Madagascar. What about it?

Steve Jordahl: Madagascar. We played kickball during recess at the American school in Madagascar when I was

Tim Wildmon: kickball, which is basically baseball with a.

Steve Jordahl: With a soccer ball. Basically, you roll a ball up from pitchers, mount up to where the batter would be, and you kick the ball and Then you have to. It was actually, technically, I think we called cross ball, which means the way you got out was you to throw the ball between the runner and the base. If it went between the runner and the base, he was out. So. Because you.

Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. All right. Anyway. All right.

One of the things Democrats have been talking about is unlimited nationalized health care

What's your first story?

Steve Jordahl: I want to talk about the Democrat Socialists of America and, the fact that they want to spend a whole bunch of your money. One of the things that they have been talking about is unlimited nationalized health care. And, it's going to cost a bit of money. I want a. Lou Bassanese, is, a Republican M. Commentator. And, he was talking about, this, possibility of, DSA getting, paid. Paying money for the health care. And this is what he has to say. This is fos and tribute to Lou Bass needs. And this is how much he thinks it would cost for the Democrats to, implement national health care. Cut three,

Fred Jackson: I think it's cut five cuts.

Speaker D: It's going to cost upwards of $70 trillion over 10 years. On the high end. On the low end, you're talking about 30 trillion. So this is money that doesn't exist. He talks about a little bit more tax. And that's the tease of democratic socialism. we're going to give you away things, but it's a gotcha. The money's not there. You can't. Even if you taxed every man, woman and child in America, you still don't have the money. So you even said, for example, the richest people, the Forbes 400. Yes. So they're the problem.

Speaker D: The rich are the horrible people. So they're going to pay. What should they do?

Speaker D: So if they take the taxes from, or if not even confiscate all the wealth from the Forbes 400, that's $6.6 trillion that maybe funds this for one year. Now, if you go, all right, that's gone, that pot's gone. We've confiscated. They're broke, they're broke. We're going to corporate America. That's $30 trillion roughly. We take that. But here's the key. If you take it, you can't take it again. If you confiscate all the wealth.

Tim Wildmon: Well, that's. You're not going to confiscate all the wealth. I think he was making a point.

Steve Jordahl: That's the point he was making. Yeah.

Fred Jackson: The reality is, And I came from a country that has socialized medicine.

Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

Fred Jackson: And here's where you run out of money very quickly. and what happens is the service goes down for everybody. You may have to wait six months to go see a doctor. May have to wait.

Tim Wildmon: They don't tell you that about.

Fred Jackson: Of course not. And I lived in an area where, let's say there's three, there's three or four cities in a given area and on the weekend one hospital would have to shut down its emergency room because it can't afford to operate. So if you live in that city, you have to go to the next city to an emergency room. doctors are getting fed up in Canada. They're getting fed up with, you know, they want to service people, they want to service the patients. But there's only a limited amount of money. You can only have so many patients, doctor, so, and so you can only keep your hours, for a limited amount of time. This is what is not being talked about by these Democrat socialists here. They want, they're making these promises and they know, they know socialized medicine doesn't work.

Tim Wildmon: The socialized medicine argument appeals to ignorant people.

Fred Jackson: Yes, it does.

Steve Jordahl: What they are, now arguing is that, yeah, okay, so the billionaires and the rich people aren't going to be able to pay for it. So everybody's tax is going to go up. But Abdul El Sayed, who was, the Democrat candidate for Senate in Mexico, in Michigan, has an argument for you. He says that people would rather pay for the government to give them their health care and have it be guaranteed than from the way that it is, right now under private care. Listen to cut 4. Sorry. 3. Healthcare should be a choice made by a patient and their doctor if that patient is under the age of 18, the parents as well.

Fred Jackson: Right. And I believe that Medicare for all should cover all health care. So that includes reproductive rights. Right. That includes, gender affirming care.

Steve Jordahl: It was four, cut four.

Tim Goeglein: So imagine instead of paying that to your health insurance company whose CEO makes $20 million a year, instead you paid a little bit more in taxes for health care that you wouldn't lose if you lost your job or turned 26 or got married or got divorced. So there's an opportunity here, I think, to trade what we give to a big corporation who gets to decide who we get to see and who we don't for a little bit more, paid into fica. And I think that's a trade that's worth making.

Steve Jordahl: Would you rather pay more government taxes?

Tim Wildmon: Let me just say what he's talking about right there, appeals to a lot of people. The Democrat Socialists, their main arguments are economic. They're not a lot of woke. They're woke ideas like no prisons, no borders, all this that's nutty stuff that even people who would listen to them otherwise would reject. But when you start talking and you don't flesh it out, the arguments, you don't get somebody, the other side to take a moment and say, well that sounds good. Let me tell you what the real life results are. So he said Medicare for all, isn't that what he said? and there are places in the world like many European countries like Canada that do have socialized medicine or government pays for everybody's medical care. They don't tell you the downside of that, which as you mentioned Fred, number one is waiting times.

Tim Wildmon: For doctor's visits. Number two is they tell you what doctor you can see.

Tim Wildmon: Right.

Fred Jackson: That's right.

Tim Wildmon: Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Fred Jackson: No.

There are strings attached to Medicare for All or taxpayer funded health care

Tim Wildmon: So while you would get Medicare for All or taxpayer funded health care, you're also going to get told what you can get, who you can get it from and where you can get it. There are strings attached to quote, universal health care as they say it now. So why would the American system be better that we've stuck with it? We do have a safety net for poor people. Yes. And for people who don't have. It's called Medicare. Yep.

Fred Jackson: Medicaid.

Tim Wildmon: And Medicaid.

Fred Jackson: Yeah.

Tim Wildmon: So we, we do. But the vast m. But, but. And health insurance is expensive. Why? Because you, you, you're paying for people who've been to medical school for eight or 10 years who can, who can do things that very few people can do. And hospitals and, and, and, and x rays and MRIs and testing. I mean all this stuff is very expensive. and so if you wonder why is it. You know, I remember seeing an itemized statement from a hospital a few years ago. It was like $5 for a band Aid. I'm going like I may be exaggerating there a little bit. $3. I'm going like a Band Aid. Well, they're having to pay also in the case of charitable hospitals, they have to pay for people who don't come. I remember one time there was a. We were at the where they baby's hospital. I forgot what's it called, you know, where the baby Maternity wards. So there were, there was a woman and a man in there like two doors down from people we were visiting. And they were Hispanic, people who couldn't speak English. Well, they were Here, I don't know. They may have been here, you know, illegally, but they couldn't be turned down. And I understand that. but now some hospitals would. They would just say, I'm sorry, if you can't pay, you can't come here. But there are a lot of charitable hospitals that have to take everybody. And in this case. And I think that's the humane thing to do, if you can at all do it if possible. But I'm just saying, I was thinking to myself, well, maybe one of the reasons that insurance costs so much is because we who pay insurance also have to pay for that couple who is here who don't have insurance.

Fred Jackson: Yeah.

Tim Wildmon: You know, and I'm not dehumanizing or demeaning that couple by any. I'm just saying that's a reality. Yeah, that's a reality. And drugs cost a lot. And, and the reason for that is the R and D that's put into, research and development and marketing, that's put into all these drugs that, you know, a lot of them do a lot of good for a lot of people, keep on. Keep people, ah, with a healthy standard of living that they wouldn't otherwise have. Then that costs a lot of money and somebody has to pay for it. So I'm just saying that I would rather have that system where I can pick my doctor, where I can, you know what I'm saying, and get treatment quicker than you do in these socialized. In these m. Countries that have socialized medicine. But, but when you just say it in a sound bite, hey, why can't we do like, Canada? they have health care for everybody. They care for their citizens. You see what I'm saying? And you don't. Well, draw out the pros and cons for everybody to see. And a lot of times when Republicans, for example, do draw out the pros, of, privatized medicine in health care, then they're called heartless. You see what I'm saying? So it's very easy to say, well, you don't care. Oh, so you don't care about. You don't want them to get treatment? no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying what is the best for the most. That's what you have to look at.

Steve Jordahl: The cost, for universal healthcare is estimated to be somewhere north of $3 trillion a year. An extra $3 trillion a year, and there's no way to get that money from.

Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I'll tell you another reality. A lot of People my age and your age, ren. Steve's age, 60s, 70s, they're going to work just to get insurance. It's not to make extra money. It's because they want that. Stay on a. Stay on a corporate insurance plan.

Fred Jackson: Yeah.

Tim Wildmon: all right, next story. Steve.

A couple in Alaska hired a surrogate to carry their baby with a heart defect

Steve Jordahl: All right, let's talk about. There's a case that has been in the news. a baby has been born in Texas to a woman who was a surrogate. A couple in Alaska by the names of Nasheen Gilkar and Omar Ahmed hired this woman to carry their baby. through a little partway through the pregnancy, they discovered that the baby had a heart condition. And the couple now, Sheen and Omar, told the lady, we don't want a defective child. You must abort this baby. The, woman, whose name is McKenna west, she's the surrogate. She says, I'm not doing that. I'm not going to kill this baby. And this baby now has been born in Texas. It's a boy. they named. He has been known, publicly as Baby Gabriel. And, it turns out that there are surgeries that can correct the heart defect. So, But, let me ask you this.

Tim Wildmon: This isn't a debate about surrogacy. Isn't. While we're talking about this issue, basically, we're celebrating the fact that this woman, went ahead and had the baby, even though she was being pressured to abort. By the time she found out about this heart defect, the baby was 24 weeks.

Fred Jackson: 20 some weeks into the 24 weeks.

Tim Wildmon: That's six months. Right. So. Wow. But, they wanted her to abort. How does that. Like I said, I don't want to get too detailed, bogged down on this, but how does that work? Does like, this couple. Would they, like, pay this woman a certain amount of money to be, have her eggs fertilized with this man's, you know, energy. Yeah. And then. And then. And then she carries that baby because the mother maybe is unable to have a child.

Steve Jordahl: We don't know why they asked.

Tim Wildmon: We don't know exactly why. But would that be calm? Would that be the most common way? Yeah.

Fred Jackson: There's a contract that's signed. The surrogate mother gets a certain amount of money to carry the child. Ah, contract is signed. Now, I read a little bit about this, and,

Tim Wildmon: The tyranna wound.

Fred Jackson: Yeah, I'm sorry, The biological mom and dad. part of the contract, I think, was that they would have the right to call for an abortion. So there is the.

Tim Wildmon: So she knew this ahead of time, but she didn't. But she, a week, she had reached the pregnancy level that she

Fred Jackson: couldn't do that and she wanted to keep the baby. She did not want to be part of an abortion. and also I think the medical staff was able to tell her that there are ways to correct that problem that the baby was experiencing with its heart.

Tim Wildmon: Right. The baby's alive and has had surgery. Right, Steve?

Steve Jordahl: Yes, the baby is, doing well. The biological parents filed a $250,000 lawsuit demanding that the surrogate mother return the money that they had paid her to have this child because they don't want the child even though it's now healthy. So, there's that there's a lot of complications that go along with 250 grand.

Fred Jackson: Yeah, they're so, yeah. Suing the surgeon.

Tim Wildmon: Suing her for that much.

Fred Jackson: Yep.

Tim Wildmon: that's. Why can't they just let her keep the baby and be. Everybody's happy. Well, because they don't.

Steve Jordahl: Because they paid her for a baby.

Tim Wildmon: Well, she can't help it. That baby, had a heart defect. No, I know you're, you're not arguing for. I'm not arguing on behalf of them. I'm just saying surely there was something in the contract. Anyway, I just. 24 weeks, that's six months. You talking about forcing her to go in to get an abortion? That's extremely dangerous for the mother.

Fred Jackson: Not when you know the problem can be corrected.

Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I didn't like, Yeah, so it wasn't life threatening to the mother. No, I'm talking about the mother, the physical mother of the child.

Rosie has a daughter who identifies as non binary

All right, you're listening to today's issues. What's your next story? Steve?

Steve Jordahl: let's talk about Rosie o'. Donnell. Rosie o', Donnell, is, in the news again and she has a show now called Common Knowledge. But, one of the things that she's talking about and a book to go along with it is that she's got a, child who has a daughter that now, identifies as non binary. What are the odds that.

Tim Wildmon: How old is she? The daughter?

Steve Jordahl: The daughter is somewhere in the teen years, I believe. But Rosie's having a hard time remembering the pronouns. This is important. The daughter wants to be called they, not she. So Rosie has a particular solution to this problem that she's going to, so that she can remember, what to call the what pronoun to

Tim Wildmon: use the person who's her daughter.

Steve Jordahl: So this is how she saw this cut 13.

Speaker F: She. they, they. And it's a they them.

Tim Goeglein: Yep.

Speaker F: That's the pronouns that they choose. But it's very hard, honey.

Steve Jordahl: I know.

Speaker F: And I love that you're constantly correcting in real time, like we all. It's really beautiful. And it really matters to them. And I know it matters to them. And so when they first told me that it was they them, I tried my best, but I kept saying she. And so they wrote on a cardboard paper they, and then they would hold it up above their head every time I said she like Jon Cusack and say anything with the boombox just staring at me, you know? And so I took her to my cousin's tattoo shop with the they in her handwriting, and I had it tattooed on my wrist so that I would never forget that it would remind me.

Steve Jordahl: Yeah. So she has a tattoo of the word they on her wrist so she can remember.

Steve: Non binary would be that they don't believe that there's two

Tim Wildmon: Let me ask you this question. First of all, it's been 10 years since the word non binary is that. What is that? What's.

Steve Jordahl: That's what they're using? Yes.

Tim Wildmon: And, I still don't even know what that means. What does that mean?

Steve Jordahl: Well, binary would be a, two. So there's two genders, man and woman, boy and girl. Non binary would be that they don't believe that there's two. There's more than two.

Tim Wildmon: Okay, that's nuts. But anyway, so I want to ask you this. I think I did have some concept of what non binary meant, but I just. When you start talking that I'm thinking that's in the algebra family or something, you know, non binary, that word I'm talking about. So she's talking about, her child wants to be called the pronoun they.

Steve Jordahl: Yes.

Tim Wildmon: Okay. And I'm not playing dumb here, okay. I'm trying to. I'm trying to understand. That's. First of all, that's very disturbed person. You can't be they. No, they is somebody who has. Who you would say that person has a mental illness because they think they're plural. They think they're two or three different people, and that's a mental illness. So when you use the word they, they is plural for multiple human beings, right?

Steve Jordahl: Correct.

Tim Wildmon: So why do they insist on going with that kind of thing that you can't. Rosie o' DONNELL won't be able to hold up to that.

Steve Jordahl: there's a lot of people who are very, very adamant that you change your language to conform to my perception of reality, even if my perception of reality is Complet.

Fred Jackson: It's amazing to me, you know, the climate change people, they dump all over people like us who say man made climate change. No, the climate may change, but God changes it, not man. But they say you're not believing the science. Well, wait a minute. But then we go to a case like this. The scientific fact is you are either born a male or, or a female.

Tim Wildmon: That's science.

Fred Jackson: That's science. So here we are, conservatives. We're following the science here, folks. We're following the science. There isn't anybody who is born who's a they. All, Right.

Tim Wildmon: Everybody knows that.

Fred Jackson: Yes, but we're now. The left is now expecting the world to say, you must obey how I feel. I feel I'm a they, therefore, you must address me as a they. And unfortunately, this is being put into laws. Now, we're laughing at Rosie o' Donnell here, but this whole pronoun thing is becoming, is going in law books in certain states in this country, and that, if you have a co worker, you're working somewhere for a company, and you have a co worker who says, I feel I'm a they, and you address them as Bob or Jane or whatever the case may be, you can get yourself fired.

Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I understand, a woman who says, I'm a man, so they call me a, he. I understand that part. I don't agree with it, but I understand that. But for a person to say I want to be called they, that's incorrect English. They is. Unless they're saying I have multiple personalities.

Steve Jordahl: That's not what they're saying. They even make up words. They have, some demand to be called G

Tim Wildmon: X, E. All right, well, we, we're gonna, we're gonna drop this. That's, that's all. I'm gonna think about that today.

Fred Jackson: Follow the science.

Tim Wildmon: Yeah, right. Thank you, Fred Cvette. Steve.

Steve Jordahl: My pleasure.

Tim Wildmon: Thanks to Krish. Earl Walker Jackson was on with us. Adam Sudduth ran the control board, and, Cole Greene's in there doing the video for us today, so we thank him. We'll see you tomorrow, everybody. Trivia.