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>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

Tim Wildmon Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr. I'm Tim Wildmon with Ed Intagliano, the birthday boy.

Ed Vitagliano Birthday boy. That's me.

Tim Wildmon 67. You said 68. Let me change that number. 6.

Ed Vitagliano What are you writing?

Tim Wildmon You're writing how old you are so

Steve Jordahl I can remember there's not any candles to put on the cake.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. Steve. Steve Paisley, Draw dog.

Steve Jordahl Good morning, everybody.

Ed Vitagliano They would have enough candles to put on my cake, but we were in a trade war with Canada.

Steve Jordahl That's true.

Tim Wildmon Hey, where along that 60 train are you, Steve?

Steve Jordahl 6.

Tim Wildmon 66.

Steve Jordahl Yep.

Tim Wildmon You just don't want to be 666, that's all.

Steve Jordahl No, I don't think I'll get to

Tim Wildmon there, but I don't think you will. But, who knows some of the biblical characters. so 68 years old Ed is.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon today I wish I had something to give you as a gift, but,

Ed Vitagliano here, just your well wishes is all I need. Tim.

Tim Wildmon That's touching.

Ed Vitagliano Yes.

Tim Wildmon Here, have this pen.

Ed Vitagliano It's an AFA pen. That's not costing you anything.

Tim Wildmon Oh, okay. Well, you're right, so I'll take the pen back. all right. So, Steve.

Steve Jordahl Yes, sir.

95 dead, hundreds missing following mudslide in Tibet and Nepal

Tim Wildmon What do you got leading off today here, Some terrifying.

Steve Jordahl Scary, just terrifying pictures coming out of Tibet and Nepal. There has been a mudslide, because of torrential rain that has inundated a river and a city there in Tibet. 95 dead, hundreds missing. I've, sent some of the video to, Brent, who's going to post it on our Facebook page. You could look. I was showing you some of this, Ed, before. It was overwhelming. And a six story building.

Ed Vitagliano yes, some of the earlier video I saw of this, it was sweeping away, obviously. homes that are, are not probably well built up to code kind of thing. Probably very poor people. But that six story building that looked modern. It looked like it was made out of, you know, concrete or something sturdy. But it got blasted.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano frightening images we were talking about in our story meeting. I had not at the time seen video of it. but, I said, of course, there may not be great ways to die except dying in your sleep. But that to me is one of the worst ways. Just getting suffocated in a river of mud, that must have been terrifying.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, Just.

Tibet under control of China; all current nations officially recognize Tibet

Anyway, prayers for Nepal in this

Tim Wildmon Tibet and Nepal is Tibetan that's a country, right?

Steve Jordahl Tibet is a country.

Tim Wildmon So Tibetan, Tibet and Nepal are side by side.

Ed Vitagliano I think that's a country. Or is it, under the control of China?

Steve Jordahl It's under control of China. Okay.

Ed Vitagliano But I think it's.

Tim Wildmon So it's not a sovereign country.

Ed Vitagliano well, I'm going to check on that.

Steve Jordahl I don't know what it's politically like.

Tim Wildmon well, ah, you hear a lot about the monks over there.

Steve Jordahl It does have a border with Nepal. It is on the, western side of China.

Tim Wildmon Okay.

Steve Jordahl and of course the, the border between Nepal and Tibet is the Himalayan mountains. Mount Everest is on that border.

Tim Wildmon Okay.

Steve Jordahl so it's very mountainous country, but

Tim Wildmon they've had a much a mudslide or a landslide.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, one of the two.

Tim Wildmon Hundreds of people are missing.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon And these, this footage is. Looks like something out of a. A terrifying movie.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, it does. It looks like Hollywood.

Tim Wildmon Just a complete slide of mud and

Steve Jordahl earth coming down and water, overwhelming

Tim Wildmon and inundating like an avalanche. Only with mud.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano So Tibet is not a sovereign country. it is controlled by China as the Tibet Autonomous Region, a province level entity within the People's Republic of China. And all current nations officially recognize Tibet as part of China. So I'm reading the.

Tim Wildmon Is that where the Uyghur Muslim wer. Uyghur Muslims are that the. That been in the news prefer. because the Chinese have been Communist Chinese have been, oppressing them so to speak, and persecuting them. Is that true? you know what I'm talking about.

Ed Vitagliano I do. Because we've seen the pictures, of some of the oppression them being kept in, in very difficult situations. And I'm looking.

Steve Jordahl I'm located in, in northwestern China.

Tim Wildmon Who is?

Steve Jordahl Uyghurs. The Uyghurs spelled U, Y, G H

Tim Wildmon U R. Yeah, it.

Ed Vitagliano This says, the vast majority. So they're scattered around, their Turkic speaking. So the actual. The Turks and all that resulted from migration, of Turkic speaking peoples. But the vast majority, it says, live in China's Xingyang Uyghur Autonomous Region. So they're got to have a yang

Tim Wildmon in there if it's China.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, you're safe. You're pretty safe.

Tim Wildmon A yin yang or something. anyway.

State Department finds link between Portland antifa group and Hamas in Iran

All right, so next story, Steve.

Steve Jordahl All right, the State Department is releasing a memo that has found a link between Portland's antifa group and Hamas and the IRGC in Iran. They are both, being coordinated and funded by this group called The AI Collective. It is, Autistici in Evente. It's an Italian group. And I'll probably give it to,

Tim Wildmon The Italians are involved, my friend Ed, to figure out how are the Italians involved? This is,

Steve Jordahl But yeah, it's a. It's a group that funds and coordinates terror groups. And they, And they are. They're coordinating, they're sending. Yeah. So there's a link between Hamas and Antifa in Portland. They're both,

Tim Wildmon Does Antifa. Do they. Do they have, like, an annual convention or anything like this? Do they elect delegates? Well, how does Antifa operate? You hear Antifa, but I never see a spokesperson on TV saying, hey, these are the things we stand for.

Ed Vitagliano I think it's pretty decentralized. It's not going to be. It's not going to be like Black Lives Matter, where you have, you know, a president or director of IT and chapters. I think it's pretty decentralized, but there is. There are connections.

Steve Jordahl I have a feeling it's not as decentralized as. But they. But they keep their central, very under wraps, I don't think.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon What does Antifa stand for?

Ed Vitagliano Anti fascist, I think is where it comes from.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, okay. They're anti fascist. That's their agenda.

Ed Vitagliano That's their agenda.

Tim Wildmon Who's fascist? Who are the fascists?

Ed Vitagliano Whoever they don't like.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, exactly.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Steve Jordahl It's kind of a conservative, fluid definition.

Tim Wildmon Are we fascist today?

Ed Vitagliano We would be probably considered fascist because, you know, we're in favor of shutting down the border and other.

Steve Jordahl It has nothing to do with the actual technical definition of fascism as Nazi, as described as.

Ed Vitagliano Italy actually is not easy to define because there were all sorts of different fascist groups. Fascism m. Originated with the Italians.

Steve Jordahl There you go.

Ed Vitagliano Okay, so under Benito Mussolini. That's. And the reason the name came about is because I, don't want to call it a logo, whatever the design was for the fascist group in Italy.

Steve Jordahl Bundle of sticks.

Ed Vitagliano The bundle of sticks which. Which was a symbol of authority under the Roman Empire. So fash. The fascies. Any group that originated from that ideologically was called a fascist.

Steve Jordahl Yeah. But if you ask any of these young idiots that are out, protesting the streets, what fascism is, they wouldn't have any clue. It's just some bad thing. They know it's bad, and they're going to try to pin it to you.

Ed Vitagliano Because there were Italian fascists. There were fascists in Spain. The Nazis were fascists. So there were different fascist groups, and it's not easy to, to define it. I, I think it's. It is, it has to be, an authoritarian group and it has to be a totalitarian group. And and it's usually an atheistic or antagonistic towards Christianity. Because both Hitler and Mussolini was a little more favorable to the Catholic Church. Hitler planned to get rid of it. So, it's authoritarian, it's totalitarian. So the totality of human life is controlled. And under, Mussolini in Italy, the state.

Tim Wildmon Well, sound like to me it's just a straight up dictatorship.

Ed Vitagliano It is.

Tim Wildmon Okay, then what's the difference between the communist and the fascist?

Ed Vitagliano Because fascism is generally nationalistic. So that means it is a dictatorship promoting the, state and nationality in which the fascist party, what the fascist party controls. Communism, in my opinion, is a fascist movement that is international. So they have no loyalty to.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, but Hitler was considered a fascist and he went after the world.

Ed Vitagliano He tried to conquer the world for the sake of Germany. So he was trying to give what he called Lebensraum. I probably slaughtered that living space for the German people. And in order to accomplish that he had to wipe out the inferior peoples. So that was all done in. In loyalty to the country of Germany. And that's why. That's why Hitler and the fascists, or the Nazis in Germany hated the communists because the communists wanted to take over Germany not for the sake of the people of Germany, but for the univ.

Tim Wildmon International collective to make a part of the Soviet empire. Which, which at that time. Yeah, worldwide.

Steve Jordahl Which according to chat. Fascism, the nation state and national unity come first. Communism, class equality and elimination of economic classes comes first.

The Borg collective would go along and enslave all kinds of different people groups

your focus.

Ed Vitagliano But it's, but it's international. It's an international movement. So that's why you'd have communism in the Soviet Union working with communism in Cuba and communism in China. Because it is a worldwide move. If you're. I know you're a big Star Trek fan, Tim. It's the Borg collective. The Borg would go along and enslave all kinds of different people groups.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano to bring them under the control of the.

Tim Wildmon Of the Borg for five years.

Ed Vitagliano Resistance is futile because Star.

Tim Wildmon Are we talking about Star wars or Star Trek?

Ed Vitagliano Star Trek.

Tim Wildmon They had the five year boys. Right?

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano Yes. The television series was.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. Beam me up, Scotty. Beam me up, Scotty.

Ed Vitagliano Documenting the.

Tim Wildmon Just make sure you beam up all four limbs.

Speaker D Yes.

Tim Wildmon You know what I'm saying? Don't beam up like, leave my ears off or something like that.

Ed Vitagliano It exploded.

Tim Wildmon All right, next story.

Ed Vitagliano Steve, some people understand that reference.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Lindsay Clancy is accused of murdering her three children because she was mentally ill

Steve Jordahl I continue to be fascinated and a little disturbed by the Lindsay Clancy case and the women that are defending her. I've come. I've trying to figure out what it is behind them. I came across this doctor who has something to say about it, which is kind of. I'll help share with you. Cut 18.

Speaker D Hi, Lindsay. I'm Dr. Sterling. I don't even know if you're allowed to watch videos like this. If someone can show it to you. I don't know. But I want you to know that I believe you. From my perspective as an OB gyn, I believe that you were over functioning throughout your entire postpartum period. I am, blown away by how hard you were working to get better while also working as a mom. I've got three kids. Know how much work it is even when you are mentally well. It's so hard to take care of three kids. Obviously, hindsight's 20 20, but I don't know what else you could have done. You were far beyond what should be expected of a single individual. You have galvanized us, women in a really powerful way. And I'm not quite ready to tell my story yet, but when I eventually do, it's going to be because.

Tim Wildmon Who are we listening to?

Steve Jordahl This is an obgyn that is, lbg. Doctor, gynecologist, obstetrician.

Tim Wildmon She's testifying on behalf of.

Ed Vitagliano No, she's. This just a post.

Steve Jordahl It's just a video post.

Ed Vitagliano This is just. He's explaining where some of these women.

Tim Wildmon Oh, I got you.

Ed Vitagliano Lindsey Clancy. Are coming from. You know, she said, I don't know what else you could have done. Yeah, well, here's something. Not strangle your children.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, that might be one of the things.

Ed Vitagliano Okay, now listen, I. I want to be careful here. I know this woman, this OB GYN who's posting this, and other women who seem to be in support of Lindsey Clancy.

Tim Wildmon Really? There's more than one?

Ed Vitagliano Oh, yeah. I'm not saying it's the m. Vast majority. It's probably a m minority.

Steve Jordahl There are dozens that are gathering outside in and wearing pink, at her trial.

Ed Vitagliano these women apparently have suffered a lot. Okay. And I understand the frustration that they have with throwing pills, you know, at every problem in our country and not giving women the help they need. But there should be little to no sympathy for Lindsey Clancy in terms of what she did, because she. She's admitted, her attorney's admitted that she murdered her Children.

Tim Wildmon Three of them. Strangled them. Right, Strangled them and sent her husband out so she could do it. So it was,

Steve Jordahl I think maybe Molly Hemingway kind of has my, take on this. Cut 15.

Molly Hemingway But one of the things about society is that we reward people who do good and we punish those who do evil. And no matter what the situation was here, these children are dead. The husband lost his three children, and these are the victims in this scenario. And I have been pretty disgusted watching some people try to flip that somehow. And we, as people, as, citizens, need to also have responsibility for understanding that society cannot operate if people are not punished for wrongdoing. And if we have this problem, society wide. I mean, we see people who are benefiting from fraud and grifting and committing crime. And this is. This is a complete breakdown of civilization.

Tim Wildmon So Lindsay, What's her name?

Ed Vitagliano Clancy.

Steve Jordahl Clancy.

Tim Wildmon Her attorneys are trying to argue that she shouldn't be criminally charged for her murdering her three young children because she was mentally ill. Is that the. Is that where this is stemming from?

Steve Jordahl Yes.

Tim Wildmon Okay. And these women you're talking about are supporting Lindsay.

Ed Vitagliano They think she's a victim.

Tim Wildmon A victim of what?

Steve Jordahl A hero, actually is. What?

Ed Vitagliano Well, she's. She's. She's a. I mean, you go ahead, say you characterize it any way you want. I. I think they think she's a victim of, this postpartum psychosis. Some think she was victimized, gaslit or whatever, by her husband. I think he's got a girlfriend. And, And the approach to mental health, which is dismissive of the root causes that women suffer from. And all they do is get thrown pills as. I think that's what they're saying, that she was abandoned by the medical and mental health community, and that's why she did what she did. Now, what are you saying in terms of she's, a hero?

Steve Jordahl Well, these women are. They have found a collective, a group identity in the. They think that the health. Mental health, has abandoned them in their. Their distress. but why?

A. M. Bennett: I'm shocked if she's not found guilty

Tim Wildmon They're. They're organized.

Steve Jordahl They're there.

Tim Wildmon They took off time from work or whatever to be.

Steve Jordahl If they work at all.

Tim Wildmon So they. So they. Well, anyway, I just, M. There's. Listen, there's always a few in the crowd, right, that are going to go contrary. And so I think she's going to be. I'll be shocked if she's not found guilty. if you. You know, there's a difference between a, Let's see. A. An Excuse and a reason, Right. There's a difference between an excuse and a reason. And there may be a reason why she did this. She was, suffering from this postpartum, what do you call it?

Ed Vitagliano Psychosis.

Tim Wildmon Psychosis. Although, when you premeditate something to the point of having your husband leave the house so that he could not be there to prevent her from doing what she's about to do, and then she can strangle all three of her children, that's not insane. yes, it's insane in the generic sense of us saying that's crazy. Who in the world would do that? But it's not. It's evil, it's wicked. And, and she must be punished to the full extent of the law. Otherwise we're gonna have everybody saying, you know, they, when they do crimes, of this, you know, crimes like this, they're going to say, hey, I was insane. I had, you know.

Ed Vitagliano Well, I, if you're, if you're under that much strain, just abandon your kids. I'm not sure why. Killing your kids, right. Why you think that.

Tim Wildmon Drive away or go live in some, somewhere. Why do you have.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah, and maybe that's what the. I, I'm with you and Steve. I'm with you fellers. This is just, this is a bizarre, bewildering, incident here, and it's a terrible thing she did in strangling her kids. And there may be other problems that society needs to address, but, it seems that she showed some degree of premeditation and was therefore in their charge of her actions.

Tim Wildmon There already are degrees of accountability in the, it comes to crimes, and that's the reason we have first degree murder, we have second degree, we have, I don't know, is there a third degree? Is it called manslaughter?

Ed Vitagliano There's manslaughter, depends on the.

Tim Wildmon And then there's involuntary manslaughter. I mean, there's, there's levels of accountability based on your, actions and your thoughts and your premeditation and all those things go into it. So, I don't know. But to argue that you shouldn't, I don't. To argue that you shouldn't have to serve prison, a prison sentence for murdering three young children, strangling them to death, in a form of premeditation. That is ridiculous.

Ed Vitagliano I agree.

Tim Wildmon ridiculous.

SpaceX has announced a massive new spaceport in Louisiana

Next story. Steve.

Steve Jordahl All right, SpaceX has announced a massive new spaceport in Louisiana. They're going Elon Musk.

Tim Wildmon That's on Earth, though. They know that, right?

Steve Jordahl Yeah, I think so.

Tim Wildmon Okay. Louisiana is exactly the moon.

Steve Jordahl Well, but they're going to be there. It's a launching facility. They're going to, put $100 billion into building this, and they hope to launch thousands of, spaceships per year from this place in Louisiana where it's down by the coast.

Ed Vitagliano Vermilion. Vermin. Vermillion.

Tim Wildmon Drive by hurricanes.

Ed Vitagliano Vermillion. I'm not sure how you pronounce that.

Steve Jordahl Vermillion, I think.

Ed Vitagliano Sorry, L.A. vermilion Parish, listeners.

Steve Jordahl It's, on the shoreline. So I, I didn't know this. It makes sense, from a geography, geometry. But the Earth spins faster at the equator, which helps boost the rockets into space. Why all know that? Steve, you didn't.

Tim Wildmon Does the, does the Earth slow down in Louisiana?

Steve Jordahl It. No, it goes faster.

Tim Wildmon Oh, it goes faster in Louisiana.

Steve Jordahl Yes. That's why it, that's why it helps push the rocks.

Ed Vitagliano Simple physics. Tim.

Tim Wildmon Okay, I will just call.

Ed Vitagliano I could explain it, but it's very confusing.

Tim Wildmon Cajun physics then. How about that, folks?

Ed Vitagliano I don't really know.

Tim Wildmon So, so these rockets that you said, what now?

Steve Jordahl How many thousands of space flights?

Tim Wildmon Okay, when we think, when most Americans think of rockets, we're thinking of watching Cape Canaveral.

Steve Jordahl Right?

Tim Wildmon Right. And, and okay, but probably not going to be like that. It's probably going to be like little

Ed Vitagliano small rockets going up, delivering satellites. But these rockets come back down some of.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, they will, they will do that, but they're not small by like, you

Tim Wildmon know how much clutter there is in orbiting the Earth right now. They say. Yeah, already.

Ed Vitagliano I read that it's a lot.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, you read that it's a lot. I mean, just a lot of space.

Ed Vitagliano Space junk.

Tim Wildmon Space junk. I'm just saying, I don't know about putting some more up there. I'm not saying Elon Musk is, what do you call him? Starlink.

Steve Jordahl Starlink is his, Internet service.

Ed Vitagliano This is, SpaceX.

Tim Wildmon SpaceX is going to deliver more.

Ed Vitagliano Going to build Starbase Louisiana. That's pretty cool.

Tim Wildmon That's going to be the name of the new town. Or is that an existing town?

Steve Jordahl That's the name of the parish. The name of what they're going to build Starbase Louisiana.

Ed Vitagliano And it's going to be the biggest launch site on Earth. And listen, to your point about space junk, I wouldn't doubt that Elon Musk, creates a company to go, collect.

Tim Wildmon Clean up the space junk.

Ed Vitagliano Clean up the space junk. You know, guys, a genius. Yeah, he knows like twice as much as I do. More than twice as much.

Steve Jordahl Maybe twice and a half as much, maybe.

Ed Vitagliano listen, that's twice and a half as rich. That's going to be good for Louisiana. I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of jobs, a lot of economic impact. you know, Cape Canaveral is a tourist destination for people. I'll bet this becomes a tourist destination where you go and walk a lock. A rocket launch.

Tim Wildmon Can you tell me where that is in Louisiana? Is it like on the coast?

Steve Jordahl It is on the coast.

Tim Wildmon It's on the coast.

Steve Jordahl So this is thousands a year. Are 10 a day. I mean, every day you're going to be able to see dozens of or a dozen or more.

Tim Wildmon Wow.

Steve Jordahl 10 a day would be, well, thousands a year.

Tim Wildmon You know what? They needed to create a theme park there for that, too, to go along with that.

Steve Jordahl You know, if you can make money, Elon Musk might be doing it.

Abbeville is the parish seat of this parish

Ed Vitagliano Abbeville is the parish seat of this parish.

Steve Jordahl New map, though, huh?

Ed Vitagliano Huh? I'm, looking for a map.

Tim Wildmon For those who don't know, parish is a county, just north equivalent of a county in Louisiana. We'll see you tomorrow, everybody.