Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildman

>> Ed Vitagliano: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on American Family Radio. I'm Tim with Ed, and we're here for another 24 and a half more minutes, and again, we hope you're having a great day. Now, Steve Paisley Jordahl has stepped in the studio to join us. Good morning, brother Steve.

>> Steve Jordahl: Good morning. Afternoon, everybody.

>> Tim Wildmon: What do you care? What do you guys. That's not Paisley you got on today. It's a sort of a. What is that?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Another nice shirt. Another nice shirt. Pattern shirt.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's just a pattern shirt.

>> Steve Jordahl: Pattern shirt.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know.

>> Tim Wildmon: What kind of pattern is it?

>> Steve Jordahl: It's a, Ed, what do you call this pattern?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I have no idea. You're asking the wrong guy when it comes to fashion.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah, you are.

>> Speaker D: I know.

>> Steve Jordahl: I like it. For those of you can't see, it's got some kind of, greens and

>> Tim Wildmon: yellows, and so, yeah, it looks like maybe a science class shirt. You know what I'm saying? That diagrams inside protector, if you want one. Yeah. Anyway, we can get back to that later.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Absolutely.

>> Tim Wildmon: You can get back to that later. Thank you. All right. Ed, did you have anything you wanted to say, Ed, or before we jump into Steve's news stack of news, I do not. All right, Steve, it's all yours. Go ahead.

>> Steve Jordahl: Well, all right.

Lindsey Clancy is accused of murdering her three children because of postpartum psychosis

So today, the Lindsey Clancy trial continued. It should be the last day of testimony, and then they're going to get to closing arguments. The jury should have this by the end of the week. They say today, they are hearing from a psychologist the prosecutors have.

>> Tim Wildmon: Tell folks just briefly who don't know what this is about, please.

>> Steve Jordahl: Lindsey Clancy was a mom who, killed her three children, strangled them. And she, is claiming that she did this because she had something called postpartum psychosis, which is different than postpartum depression. She said she heard voices and, she strangled her kids. She sent her husband away on an errand and then took the kids into the basement and strangled them to death. To death. And now she's on trial, and her and her lawyers want to claim insanity, basically that this postpartum psychosis was the reason that she did this, so

>> Tim Wildmon: that she could be exonerated criminally.

>> Steve Jordahl: Correct?

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Steve Jordahl: For the not guilty by reason of insanity is what they're hoping for. but the prosecution is having its turn now, and Dr. Kirk Heilbein was, on there.

>> Tim Wildmon: Where is this? By the way. Where is this taking place?

>> Steve Jordahl: In Massachusetts.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Steve Jordahl: Plymouth, Massachusetts. And, so anyway, the 30. She's 36 year old. And this psychiatrist or psychologist is saying he doesn't think she actually heard a, hallucination. That she's kind of wanting to use this as a way of getting off, basically, his words, a convenient way of lessening your responsibilities are his words. So there are dozens and dozens of women who show up outside, that seem to be kind of the Lindsay Clancy fan club. We can talk about what it seems to be, but what these women are doing is they are saying we all have had, we all suffer from depression after we have kids. And, I don't know, it's hard to get into the mind of these women. but from what I've seen, they're very, very emotional about this. I've seen some.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, what I want to talk about for just a moment is. Well, first of all, I've known people with women, with the postpartum depression, depression, and most people probably listening to us, about a third of women have it, okay? So it's very common to have. And it makes sense. I mean, your body goes through tremendous changes. Hormones everywhere, whiplash, you know, so you can understand how that would affect your. Your chemical balance in your body and your psychological, Not to mention, you know, the birth experience itself. All those things combined. You could see how people would, would have some kind of issues. But what this woman, did. What's her name again?

>> Steve Jordahl: Lacey. Lindsay Clancy.

>> Tim Wildmon: She doesn't, deny doing this, right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, this is not what the trial's about, Right?

>> Tim Wildmon: This is about whether she's been to be held criminally responsible or not. So, listen, it wouldn't surprise me if she heard the voice of Satan, okay? That's how Christians would view this. If she's saying she's hearing voices and you strangle your own flesh and blood children. I don't know that I've ever heard of that, but I mean, I've heard of it. but not. First of all, as I've already said. First of all. Second of all, I wouldn't try to get off if it were me. I'd say, put me in the. Put me in the.

>> Steve Jordahl: Well, she did throw herself out of a window after she did this. Tried to cut her, ah, Wrists. tried to cut her wrists.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. She tried to commit suicide.

>> Steve Jordahl: She did. She landed. She broke her back and is in a wheelchair, paralyzed from the waist down now. Well, which shows some Regret. that m. That might be.

Lindsay Clancy pleads not guilty by reason of insanity in child murder case

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, the issue here is then, not this individual case. The idea of pleading insanity and getting off for your. For your crimes. I don't even know why we have this plea. can you tell me?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, I can tell you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Please do tell me. I'm trying to be serious.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. And I'm not defending the fact that this plea. Insanity plea exists.

>> Tim Wildmon: Please tell me. Because I'm open to, you know.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But criminal punishment, is dependent on a foundational idea, and that is that a person is responsible for their actions. This idea of insanity is that because of some sort of syndrome or set of circumstances, the person was not responsible for. For their actions. So, by reason of insanity and whatever you put in.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's what her lawyers are claiming here, right?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Whatever psychosis or syndrome or whatever you put in that basket. That is not responsible by reason of insanity. And this. You, remember this used to be a really big thing in the 70s and 80s when the pendulum swung. The Democratic Party was pushing this a lot in terms of not read, you know, not guilty by reason of insanity. The question that becomes, well, what. What makes a person responsible for their actions? Lindsay Clancy does not, as far as I know, does not argue this point that she was responsible enough for her actions to send her husband away to go get. Pick something up, I think, at a pharmacy and then take her children downstairs. She had a piece of.

>> Tim Wildmon: Premeditated.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It was premeditated. And to me, if, if your actions are premeditated, you're responsible.

>> Tim Wildmon: This wasn't a heat of the moment, right. Action. This was preached. She sends her husband away so she can have the children alone so that she can murder them.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. It's not like she. It's not like she thought she was a mountain lion and acted accordingly. In killing somebody, she planned this out enough to indicate to me that she was responsible, despite the fact that she had this psychosis.

>> Steve Jordahl: And here's why it makes a difference. Is because in our minds, I don't care if someone thinks they're Superman and dresses up and. And, kills somebody, because they still, in my mind and probably yours, need to be locked away. I don't care if it's a mental hospital or if it's in prison, but for the rest of their lives, you're a danger to society, shouldn't be let out. So whether they're criminally liable or that they're, you know, mentally ins. They still should be locked up. But in certain states, once, if you are judged not guilty by Reason of insanity and you clear up the m. Mental health issues, you could be released.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. And that is. That is what was abused in the 70s and 80s. And listen, I don't. I do not know why. Steve, maybe you can help me here. I do not know why. I don't know what the percentage is, but there's a percentage of women who are on Lindsay Clancy's side. I don't get this. This. To. To look into the face of your child and use whatever essentially is a big rubber band and strangle the light.

>> Tim Wildmon: Three of them.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Three of them. One right after the other while the kids are probably screaming. Okay, that. To your point, you should be locked up somewhere forever.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's demonic possession right there. People laugh about that, but that is absolutely.

>> Steve Jordahl: So, here's the thing, and this is me speculating and maybe making some assumptions that aren't due, but you have a whole bunch of women who are standing out in front of a trial, holding signs and standing out.

>> Tim Wildmon: What are they supporting? Are they saying that this, What do you call this again, this

>> Steve Jordahl: condition, postpartum psychosis?

>> Tim Wildmon: Are they saying that that's real and everybody. Are they saying, let her off?

>> Steve Jordahl: They are basically. So these are women who don't have jobs. So they are probably bored housewives sitting there watching and getting involved in the drama that's going on online. And they just have. It's like they're living.

>> Tim Wildmon: How many of them are there? Six?

>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know. No, there's, I don't know how many. Well, and here.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Here's another thing. And get back to the core issue though, is that a lot of. A lot of these people who are on Clancy's side think the husband did it. But, in terms of Clancy and her attorney or attorneys, that has not been an issue. No, her attorneys did not say she is innocent because her husband drugged her and set this whole thing up. And he's the one who killed. That has not been their defense. So they've admitted that, Lindsay, that scenes

>> Steve Jordahl: say that the husband did it. The ones that I've heard, say, they.

They do this because they're on. I think they're living a social media post

They do this because they're on. They see it on some horoscope that the stars line up and say that this type of a person under this whatever birth sign isn't a murderer. I mean, it's crazy. But, this is what I'm saying. I think they're living a, ah, social media post. You know how they. The drama they are so concerned with getting involved in. I think it's just a Drama that they're living out with her just because they're bored.

Ed: I'm opposed to insanity plea being used to get off hook

>> Tim Wildmon: All right? So I don't. I haven't thought this through a lot except to say so, but my gut reaction is I'm opposed to the insanity, plea being used to get off the hook for your crimes. if you committed crimes. I don't care if you're drunk, sober, sane, insane. If you. You commit murder, you're locked away, and you're not getting out of prison.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: you. You kill three children. Yeah. You know, most. A lot of states, you get the death penalty.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Massachusetts, they probably won't do that, but you get. You don't, And I don't know the. The purpose of fighting this. If she's pleaded guilty to doing this, why would you want to go through the court system to say, yeah, but I shouldn't be held accountable?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, she isn't. She hadn't pled guilty, has she? She said, I don't know, that she's admitted that she did it.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, she.

>> Tim Wildmon: But that's what I'm talking about. Whether that's a legal plea or not, I'm talking about she admitted she killed the three children.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: And to me, it's. It's.

>> Ed Vitagliano: The why is it makes it worse

>> Tim Wildmon: for you to then try to get off the hook. Unless you want to, say, prove a point. It wasn't really me. It was. It was. It was the devil inside.

>> Steve Jordahl: Well, that's kind of what they're saying.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. But I can buy that. But it still doesn't exonerate you from. From being. From having to suffer the consequences of the devil inside you. Because you willfully did that act, you're

>> Steve Jordahl: still a danger to society. Like I say, whether it's in a mental hospital or prison, you need to be locked up and put away, because if we're gonna.

>> Tim Wildmon: Then, like you said, Ed, like in the 70s, this kind of thing came into existence where you pleading insanity for, you know, running a stop sign. You know, people started abusing that and, that it may be a reason why somebody does the things they do. I mean, insanity. I'm not saying that's not real. but. But the crime should not be. Excuse me. The penalty for the crime should not be reduced because you can prove that you had temporary insanity. That's my point.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right. To me, it's like, it's different here in terms of premeditation and so on and so forth.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But for someone who. Kill a drunk driver, who kills somebody, you know, a mom and her kids in a head on collision.

>> Ed Vitagliano: you are, you are responsible for the fact that you were drunk right? Now, she may not be responsible for the fact that she has a psychosis, but she clearly acted in a premeditated way. So the psychosis did not take over

>> Tim Wildmon: her ability to reason.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

Enos Cantor Freedom says WNBA is not allowing transgender players

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. You're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Ed and Steve, next story.

>> Steve Jordahl: Steve, Enos Cantor Freedom is doubling down, saying he wants to be in the wnba. And, he says, they're not going to let, they're not letting him in because they're scared. Cut nine.

>> Speaker D: Everything they said is a lie.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Is he scared?

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know if you know that, Coach. I mean, I think they're all terrified. They're terrified of the lgbtqia, like, I don't know, Mafia.

>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know what people are calling

>> Tim Wildmon: them, but they're terrified.

>> Speaker D: They're terrified because I might actually get drafted next year and play against their big man. So. And I was, I'm going to probably drop around like 60 point and 40 rebound a game. I did not break any kind of rules. Did, not step over the baseline. I literally simply got out and just opened my arms. So they should not be banning me from any games. And you know what? I am so excited for the playoffs.

>> Steve Jordahl: He is saying that he is eligible based on their rules. He says Article 13, Section 1 of their rulebook says if you identify as a woman, then you're allowed to play.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You need to explain who this guy is.

>> Steve Jordahl: yeah. Enos Cantor Freedom is an ex NBA star.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's a guy who can dunk on you, Ed.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Steve Jordahl: He's massive.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He's, he's a guy who could dunk me.

>> Steve Jordahl: and so, yeah, and so he and another, NBA star, have.

>> Tim Wildmon: Former.

>> Steve Jordahl: Former.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He's Royce White. Yeah, he was not a star. He, he played, I think minimal games, but players. Cantor, I think he averaged a double double or something, points and rebounds.

>> Steve Jordahl: He was good all star and everything. and so, but, but, so the wnba, they had a whole meeting to discuss what to do about this and they decided that they were not going to allow, transgender people in. This is something that Chuck, Charles Barkley was talking about. He has a definite, idea about this. He says transgender people, if that's what Enos Cantor Freedom is, which isn't. But he says they shouldn't be allowed either. Listen to cut 16.

>> Speaker D: Adam should come out and Kathi. I like both of them a lot. Women Can. There's no transgender people going to play in the wnba. If you don't like it, kick rocks. We're not going and we're not going to discuss it anymore. And Ennis is trying to get attention because he. Listen, if, if he did all the operation things. No, we're not, no, we're not doing that either. The WNBA is for women. And listen, this is the last time we're going to discuss it. We're not going to turn it over to the fools on the Internet. We're not going to turn it over to Congress and things like m. The WNBA is for women only.

>> Steve Jordahl: Period.

>> Tim Wildmon: Now go to your room. The bigger question here is Charles Barkley. That's what it sounds like, a parent saying, we're not going to talk about this anymore.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But I agree with.

>> Tim Wildmon: Can you. Charles Barkley?

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, you can't cancel him. He's been a superstar for so long. He can't be canceled. here's what I disagree with Charles Barkley. I absolutely agree. The wnba, the Women's National Basketball association, should be for women only. But what Enos Cantor is trying to do is to get them to define what that is.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And. And that's the only way I think

>> Tim Wildmon: it's going to work.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I think so. I gotta say, biological women, they have

>> Steve Jordahl: only they have a problem because the WNBA is a woke racist, sexist league when, all of their players.

>> Tim Wildmon: Sexist. What do you mean by that?

>> Steve Jordahl: Look at the way they're treating Caitlin. This is a league that, before Caitlin Clark got there, was not drawing very well, and they were fine with it because what the only thing the players were about was we are oppressed black women. There's racism in the country.

>> Tim Wildmon: They were making money from playing basketball.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, well, they weren't making nearly as much as their mba.

>> Tim Wildmon: Not all of them are like that. you're making a generalization.

>> Steve Jordahl: But was generally like that. And Caitlin Clark came in a white girl and elevated the league's visibility and started drawing hundreds and thousands more fans to their games. And that set some of these black players off, too, because she's not playing the woke game either.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, well, first of all, I, I don't think we can say that it was a racist league. Okay. Now, I, I think there is a racist component to the way some of the players have been treating someone like Caitlin Clark. But I just want to say that you're entitled to your opinion, and I just think we need to be careful, about that. There have been. There are white players in the wnba. Caitlin Clark has certainly become a superstar and has drawn a lot of eyeballs to the.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, why Caitlin.

Charles Barkley says WNBA should only accept biological women

We're getting, You know, why Caitlin Clark's a superstar? Have you watched her play basketball?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: Doesn't matter whether you. I would. I would argue if she were black, she would still be getting the same attention. Maybe not drawing in, a lot of new viewers because, people are going, wow, this, white girl from Iowa's.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: like one of the top players in basketball. That's unusual because usually the top basketball players are always black. So this helps basketball, women's basketball, like Tiger woods help bring in black viewers for golf.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's just something that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Nothing wrong with.

>> Tim Wildmon: Nothing wrong with that. It's just something that's unusual.

>> Speaker D: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. but. But Caitlin Clark is, like, one of the top five NB WNBA players. five to ten. I mean, probably top five, some would argue. You know, anyway, guards, as guards go. but, well, what. Back to what Charles Barkley was saying right there. Charles Barkley was supporting Sophie Cunningham. And Charles Barkley is also saying that this. Ennis. Freedom, freedom has a point that needs to be addressed now. Charles Barkley can't be canceled. As you've said before, Charles Barkley is very outspoken. That's what he's known for on a variety of different topics. He's not one to hold back. Sometimes you vehemently disagree with him, and sometimes in this case, you agree with him. Charles Barkley. but what he's saying, but. But what he's saying is that the WNBA is going to have to say that they only accept, into their league, biological females. They don't want to do that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Because they do that, then they are, They would be viewed as going against the transgendered movement, which the transgender people, they say, I can say I'm a girl even though I have male genitalia, just because I feel like it. And what Enos is, he's doing a great job. He's saying, well, if all you have to do is feel like it or say you are, then I'm saying, I am, and I want to play in your league. So he's forcing the issue, which is great. It needs to be forced, and it's good. And what Charles Barkley is saying, the WNBA needs to shut this down now and say we only accept biological women and be done with it. Instead, they're. They're not saying anything. They're trying to, you know, obey the issue directly. And, listen, what this shouldn't even be controversial. And that's what Charles Barclay saying and what Sophie Cunningham was saying. She said, I don't hate anybody. I'm just saying girls play girls sports and boys play boys sports, and you can't claim to be a girl when you're a male. You're a biological male. Does that make sense? Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And another reason why I don't think the WNBA can do what Charles Barkley's saying is I've read estimates anywhere from 30 to 40% of the women playing in the WNBA are lesbians. And the transgender movement is part of the lgbtq, movement. And I think the WNBA is afraid that if they go the Charles Barkley route, they will cause trouble with.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're going to have to.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, they're going to have to pick

>> Tim Wildmon: a side because otherwise, Ennis is going to sue them and say, you're discriminating on me when I'm clearly the best woman.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: In the draft, scare quotes there for guys on the right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And he got kicked out of the ball game. He was sitting courtside.

>> Steve Jordahl: He got kicked out by the, the security people. He got into a fight with one of the players.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, he did not.

>> Steve Jordahl: He got into an argument, that one of the players from one of the teams walked over to him. He was standing on the sidelines. He had a shirt on that had the definition of a woman. And they had maybe been drawing beforehand, but, they got into a little verbal tussle, at the game. And then he was kicked out.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And the threat is he'll be banned.

>> Tim Wildmon: He wasn't the aggressor right here.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He, was not.

>> Tim Wildmon: He was not. He was wearing a shirt that defined a woman.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Adult, human, female.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That should be a no brainer for everybody.

>> Tim Wildmon: Also, Caitlin Clark is straight. She has a boyfriend, and so.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And Sophie Cunningham's straight.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So a lot of.

>> Tim Wildmon: Anyway, let's just. We'll stop right there. But if you want to, know why Caitlin Clark has so many eyeballs, just watch her play basketball.

>> Ed Vitagliano: She's outstanding. Well, and she. I forget the name of the. The black girl who plays on her team.

Kelsey Mitchell may be the best guard in the league

Oh.

>> Tim Wildmon: Kelsey Mitchell.

>> Ed Vitagliano: She's very good, too.

>> Tim Wildmon: She's. She may be the best guard.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, in the league.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Her. Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. All right, we will, see you tomorrow. Everybody takes.