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Welcome to Today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family radio network. Today's August 12, 2026. And as always, we thank you for listening to AFR and joining me in studio today. Slightly better than average panel. Whoa.
Fred Jackson: Whoa.
Wesley Wildmon: I was ready to say I'm thankful to be part of the A team. Well, but didn't.
Tim Wildmon: It is an A team. average.
Tim Wildmon: Just kidding. Just kidding.
Ed Vitagliano: A for average. That's. You got it. You're right on.
Tim Wildmon: Ed Vitagliano. Good morning, brother.
Ed Vitagliano: Good, morning, Tim.
Tim Wildmon: All right. And Wesley Wildmon. Good morning, Wesley.
Wesley Wildmon: Glad to be here.
Tim Wildmon: And Fred Jackson.
Fred Jackson: I'm. I'm glad to be here.
Tim Wildmon: You're glad if people who aren't watching us in the studio on YouTube, Facebook, or our own streaming service, stream.aca.net Correct. And X. We're streaming on X too. don't know that Fred is, in a chair that's elevated above us all. Like Fred's knees are hitting the table.
Fred Jackson: That's right. He sat here last.
Tim Wildmon: He is peering down on us.
Ed Vitagliano: I'm not sure I like being peered upon.
Tim Wildmon: He's kind of like the Pope with Catholics right now. You know what I'm saying? Sort of. He's at the top about to pontificate unto us. Is that the right word?
Ed Vitagliano: Well, you know what that I want. I've been. I'm wondering if that is related to the word pontiff.
Tim Wildmon: Pontiff. It is.
Ed Vitagliano: Pontificate.
Tim Wildmon: It is.
Tim Wildmon: You're just now learning this.
Ed Vitagliano: I'm catching up. That's a personal question. However, since you brought it up, I am 14 days away from being 68 years old.
Tim Wildmon: Oh, you're really all right, then you can elevate your chair.
Ed Vitagliano: I'm elevating.
Tim Ferriss: It still bothers me to sit on the left
Wesley Wildmon: I have my own problems over here.
Tim Wildmon: What's that?
Wesley Wildmon: I'm like two or three years in on this show and it's still bothers me to sit on the left over here. Oh, because you're so far right.
Tim Wildmon: You're to the far left as we face the window. You are. You're on the far left.
Wesley Wildmon: And I, I'm so. I'm such a far right conservative that I have to walk on the right and do things with the right hand. That's how I'm just kidding. And so I walk in the room and it's still. I mean, I sit down and it Cringes, man. It takes a couple minutes to get in the program, to get my mind off of it, you know?
Ed Vitagliano: You know, it's. It's interesting you say that. And I wonder. This is an interesting phenomenon because as far as I can tell, you and your brother, Walk Walker are to the right of Tim. My son Tony is to the right of me.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: You know, I just wonder because normally you would think that the next. The second generation, the younger generation would be a little bit more moderate.
Fred Jackson: Sure.
Ed Vitagliano: You know, a little bit more liberal. No, you guys are. You guys are. Have swerved. Right.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: In your lives.
Wesley Wildmon: There's a little bit of seriousness here for a minute. I know we're having fun. A lot of that does come with. With growing up in the middle of the WOKE movement or. Or living life in. In the woke because of the insanity. And co was one of the big things that shifted me a little farther going.
Ed Vitagliano: That makes sense.
Wesley Wildmon: Cuz, back in there in the CO days when they were shutting down churches.
Fred Jackson: Yeah.
Wesley Wildmon: And keeping. I mean, your first. Our First Amendment was such, On a. Owner attacked.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Wesley Wildmon: That it was under attack. Under attack. Those couple of things. The WOKE movement, the, Covid. There's some other things. Dei. Ah, yeah. Those are things that really shifted. And that's the case for a lot of my generations and generations. Generation.
Tim Wildmon: So, anyway, I'm softer and I'm more. I have a bigger heart. And so I am to the.
Wesley Wildmon: I'm not gonna argue that.
Tim Wildmon: I guess I'm. I don't know how I ended up to the left of my son, but.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I just gave you a partial of my sons.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So anyway, so you're to the. You're not far right as Tony, are you?
Ed Vitagliano: No, I'm usually trying to calm him down.
Tim Wildmon: You're a moderate.
Fred Jackson: Listen, I'm so far right. I left the country.
Tim Wildmon: Literally.
Fred Jackson: Did
Tim Wildmon: change this to far right. Today's issues. I don't know.
Fred: We don't get near the response that we used to when Tim
All right. Lot to talk about on, the program today. As always, we appreciate you, joining us. Listen, I don't feel. I just feel the need to say this. We didn't get a. And I've said it before, and I want everybody to listen to what I have to say.
Ed Vitagliano: Right.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. We, we don't get near the response that we used to when Tim talks about President Trump.
Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: And some of you too, here.
Ed Vitagliano: but not as much as you.
Tim Wildmon: No, no. I just want people to know I do have respect for the presidency. I shouldn't have to Say this, the office of the presidency and I do, have greatly admired President Trump for many things that he's done and stood for. And I understand he's been under attack from the left wing media and other people over the years. But if we can't have honest conversations about things he does that are wrong, then that's man worship. Okay. And so, as I said, I, we're not getting, at first when I was say something critical of President Trump, it was like, oh man, you talked about, yeah, an apostle. You know what I'm saying?
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Tim Wildmon: And I just wanted people to know that, we, ah, that I have great admiration for many things President Trump does and says and his policies for the most part have been wonderful. But that doesn't mean that he isn't he's beyond criticism when he, if we don't, if we aren't fair in our criticism. When things happen that he does that are, and most of his things that he does. Are his words unforced. Yeah, they're unforced errors. But you can't just let everything pass without being about noting them or being critical. Otherwise you just be gonna become a partisan hack.
Ed Vitagliano: Well, what will be no different than the liberal media, but from the other side.
Tim Wildmon: That's what I'm saying.
Ed Vitagliano: And we're Christians. This is a Christian ministry. We have got to say what we believe to be true. and we hope our listeners understand periodically we do get. This is in regards to one person who called in. This isn't a slew of things.
Tim Wildmon: Right. We didn't get a lot of response, but we got a couple the other day. Yeah, it hurt my feelings.
Ed Vitagliano: Well, that's because you have a big heart. We just established that.
Tim Wildmon: Like to be criticized.
Ed Vitagliano: Right.
Tim Wildmon: Some people might, but it bothers me.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, it, it's, well, that's because you have a big heart and we just talked about that.
Tim Wildmon: Big heart.
Ed Vitagliano: You have a tender heart.
Tim Wildmon: A tender heart. So I'm not a bleeding heart yet.
Ed Vitagliano: So we're going to say, listen, and sometimes I, I can be wrong about, you know, maybe my criticisms. I, I am looking at, I, I, I don't, I don't like the fix we've gotten into in Iran. I, I was going to joke and
Wesley Wildmon: say that's our first story.
Ed Vitagliano: Oh man, I don't know if we're even doing that story, but I am looking from an outside outsider's perspective. If I find out, well, this is what President Trump was dealing with and okay, I'll admit, well, I had that Situation wrong. But we're human. So we, we have to look at these situations. We're not in the situation room. We have to do our, do our best to talk about what's happening and what we think the consequences might be. And sometimes we're wrong, folks.
Tim Wildmon: All right, Fred, what's your first story?
Far right program says Democrat Party is almost split between far left and traditionalists
Fred Jackson: Well, the far right program that we are part of has spent, a good deal of time talking about a far left, Francisca Hong. She was leading in the polls, leading up to the Democrat primary substantially in Wisconsin. Double digits for governor, for governor. And but she lost last night to David Crowley, by a very narrow margin. Less than 1% was rigged. That's how close it was.
Tim Wildmon: She lost. Somebody was rigged. But we can talk about that later. So she, she, this is the far, far lefty, more traditional Democrat.
Fred Jackson: Yes, the more traditional Democrat. This was another case, much like in Michigan, where Abdul El Sayed, a Democrat, Socialist in description, he didn't like that title, but he won narrowly last week in the Michigan primary, for senator there. So, there was an expectation that Francesca Hong was going to run away with it and be the Democrat nominee. It didn't happen last night. A lot of it has to do with the leaders of the Democrat Socialist movement refused to endorse her. People like Bernie Sanders, they thought she was way too far left when, when it came out, she wanted to cancel Thanksgiving. Yeah, that was a big one.
Tim Wildmon: Bernie Sanders thinks you're too far left. This is alternative universe stuff here.
Fred Jackson: Yeah.
Tim Wildmon: Wow. Okay.
Fred Jackson: But as I say it again, like in Michigan, it was very close and it points to the division within the Democratic Party.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Fred Jackson: They're still having to deal with this because, in Abdul El Sayed case, he had 750,000 people who voted for him. That's a lot of Michiganers.
Wesley Wildmon: Michigan.
Tim Wildmon: Is that all that voted in a primary in Michigan?
Fred Jackson: Well, that's who voted for him. But, the more traditionalist, Haley Stevens, the woman congressman, she was running for the fourth term. I think she was a well established Michigan Democrat congresswoman. She lost and it was a, close margin, 1%. So there was over a million people voted in that Democrat primary, but he got 750,000 of the votes.
Ben Shapiro: Okay.
Tim Wildmon: What this is demonstrating is the Democrat Party, as we've said here, is divided almost evenly, at least in these northern states so far. the upper Midwest, the NewSong England, it's been, and some out west, it's been divided when they've had primaries now and we are in primary season August because we're leading up to the general election in November, Election day, or as we call it in America, election season. do you see what I did there? Yeah, yeah. So, election. We got the elections coming up. So what is proven is that the Democrat Party is almost split now between people that are literally far left wackadoodles, versus more traditional Democrats. And they're divided. And the more traditional Democrats, while they're still left, they on the left wing of the spectrum of the political spectrum, they are, they're worried that these far, far lefters are going to cost them the elections in the general election in November. Right. Is that, does that lay that out?
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, because when we talk about far left wackadoodles, we're talking about people who are saying, get rid of ice, defund the police, defund the Pentagon, get rid of jails, no prisons, no borders.
Wesley Wildmon: And exaggerating though, because, and it's that 10 years, five years ago, if we would have said this is what's about to happen. You say that we're exaggerating. These are what they are asking.
Tim Wildmon: They're saying this out loud.
Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: And honestly some of these left wing candidates that are saying these things out loud, when they're put on the spot, they try to, they're trying to hit, they're trying to hem haw. Okay, but when they put it down on paper and say these are our policies that we're trying to advance, it says the very same things that you've said.
Ed Vitagliano: I did.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. I'm sorry, we're sorry we pontificated on you there, Fred.
Fred Jackson: That's okay.
Ed Vitagliano: Even though we're not sitting as high as you are.
One of the themes of the Democrat Socialists of America is anti Israel
Tim Wildmon: What's next?
Fred Jackson: Well, one of the themes, and Ben Shapiro was on Fox and Friends this morning, one of the themes of the Democrat Socialists of America, and it bleeds over into what would be called moderate Democrats, is this anti Israel attitude. And DSA co chair Megan Romer. Now we played some clips from her before she was interviewed recently and did not do well in the interview when challenged on some of these things, you know, shut down, no M money for police, no jails, etc. Etc. Well, she was asked about the Israel question. Megan Romer was, and this is what she had to say about a, ah, one state solution without Israel. Believe it or not, this was her response. Cut number four. What in fact is the position of dsa?
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, so our position is a free Palestine with the capital in Jerusalem.
Abraham Hamilton III: and so I think that could be safely read as a one state solution.
Fred Jackson: So the Camp David Accords that were being negotiated at the beginning of the century under the Clinton administration, had the Palestinians accepted it, that would have satisfied you?
Ben Shapiro: Good question.
Abraham Hamilton III: I need to look at what the
Ben Shapiro: actual specifics there were.
Ed Vitagliano: I don't know them off the top of my head.
Fred Jackson: Do you hear what she said? A, Palestinian state capital in Jerusalem.
Ed Vitagliano: But she said a one state, a one state solution.
Fred Jackson: What happened to Israel in her mind?
Ed Vitagliano: I'm surprised that the. Well, I shouldn't say I'm surprised. That's the next question you ask.
Fred Jackson: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: Whose state are you saying there is no Israel? State of Israel and state of Palestine.
Fred Jackson: Yeah. She was challenged about you want to eliminate what was achieved at Camp David to a certain extent. Two state solution. All right. She didn't know enough to talk about that. She talks about a one state solution, Palestinian state with a capital in Jerusalem.
Ed Vitagliano: And who is this? This is the dsa. Lady Romer, co chair.
Fred Jackson: Yeah. Megan Romer.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Fred Jackson: Ben Shapiro was asked to respond to that and you can only imagine how he responded. Cut number five.
Ben Shapiro: The DSA is an anti American, anti Western organization. That is what they are at their essence. Their basic argument is that capitalism itself is what drives imperialism and colonialism and racism and settler colonialism and all the buzzwords that they learned at their Columbia undergrad classes or NYU undergrad classes. And the Democratic Party is ingesting this stuff wholesale. The only question for the Democratic Party is are they fully willing to go all the way DSA or just sort of pretend dsa?
Fred Jackson: Yeah. And the DSA is not through with their Israel problem because there's another Democrat primary next week in Florida. And there, one of the candidates that people like Ben Shapiro are looking at is a guy by the name of Oliver Larkin. Oliver Larkin. This is what he has had to say about Israel. Cut number two.
Ed Vitagliano: I think that Israel should be a, ah, secular and democratic state with equal rights for all people.
Tim Wildmon: And the current configuration of the state
Ed Vitagliano: of Israel is a religious supremacist, one that privileges Jewish citizens above Palestinians.
Tim Wildmon: Israel has been rightfully attributed as committing
Ed Vitagliano: a genocide and apartheid. If it were up to me, I
Tim Wildmon: do not think that we should be
Ed Vitagliano: aiding and abetting a genocide by either providing taxpayer funded weaponry or selling it.
Fred Jackson: Now listen to what Ben Shapiro had to say about this guy because we both know he's not telling the truth. Cut number three.
Ben Shapiro: I mean all of that is lies. Obviously. 20% of Israel's citizenry is Arab and Palestinian. the Palestinians he's talking about are governed by the Palestinian Authority or by Hamas, whom they actually elected in the Gaza strip back in 2005. And obviously there was no genocide in the Gaza Strip by any stretch of the imagination. But this has become the talking point, and the reason that it has become the talking point is because every argument that the DSA makes about Israel is an argument they actually make about America. When they say that Israel is a settler colonialist state, what they mean is that the west is a settler colonialist regime. America is a settler colonialist state. By the same exact argument, when they suggest that Israel committed a genocide in Gaza, they will say the same thing about America. America, genocide of the Native Americans. America is responsible for all of the genocides happening all over the world.
Tim Wildmon: Let me ask you this. This fellow that we heard before, Ben Shapiro, Oliver Larkin.
Fred Jackson: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: Who is a Democrat candidate for governor in Florida.
Fred Jackson: Congressional candidate.
Tim Wildmon: Oh, he's a congressional candidate, not gubernatorial.
Fred Jackson: That's right. In fact, he's taking on a Jewish Democrat.
Tim Wildmon: Okay, so, here's the deal. I don't understand. I do understand, but I'll ask this rhetorically. In a way. Why the obsession, by these Democrat. Again, again, what do they call themselves? Democrat. What?
Wesley Wildmon: Socialists of America. Dsa.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. These Democrat Socialists of America. What's their obsession with Israel? I mean, why is he, Why, why. maybe they would probably say, well, what's your obsession with Israel? But I would say, why aren't you talking. If you're talking about human rights, which you say you are, let me tell you, we got. There's a country you may have heard of called China, which is a communist country that brutally, that brutally controls, probably a quarter of the world's population. You don't hear them talking about China.
Yarl King: Leftists use human rights as weapon against Western civilization
These same people, they want to talk about this little tiny state on the world stage over in the Middle east, and they're not telling the truth about that, situation. So why are they obsessed with Israel here?
Wesley Wildmon: That's a good point.
Tim Wildmon: I have a lot of them. There's just one.
Wesley Wildmon: Well, if you think about it, anybody on the left that talks about human rights, they always leave out whether. Whether we can. There's a, You know, obviously they're not telling the truth about the human rights that they are describing in America. They'll say, human rights of trans or homosexuals. That's one thing. That's a discussion. And we disagree. We can agree to disagree a lot. But they never, ever, ever discuss the human rights of other countries. But they put our country down to say we lack human rights or Israel doesn't have human rights, but these there are. So on the, on the scale of most human rights, we're going to be in the top two or three, right?
Tim Wildmon: That's why people. That's why people flood through the. Cross over the border by the millions to get here.
Wesley Wildmon: But the human rights in other countries, the best. Another example that I'm gonna one up you. You ready?
Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Wesley Wildmon: What about the. What about the human rights of, of the LGBT community and the Islam. And the Islam community?
Tim Wildmon: they don't exist.
Wesley Wildmon: They don't exist. But you never hear them, when they, when they collide, they stop talking.
Tim Wildmon: Why. Why don't. Why don't these people every other day, instead of talking about Israel, why don't you hear them talking about, hey, in Saudi Arabia, they, they throw gays off buildings.
Ed Vitagliano: I got the answer. In Africa, you guys. Okay, when you guys are done talking, just.
Wesley Wildmon: What about the human rights in Africa? Yeah, for the Christians.
Tim Wildmon: Right?
Ed Vitagliano: Okay, here. Here's the answer. You guys ready? These folks are at war against the west, okay? They hate Western civilization. They hate Western civilization because it is based on Christianity and they hate God.
Wesley Wildmon: That's it.
Ed Vitagliano: And so this is not really about human rights, to Yarl's point, because if it was about human rights, they'd be talking about Saudi Arabia. They'd be. Yeah, they'd be consistent. This is not. They're using human rights as a weapon, one of many, against Western civilization because.
Tim Wildmon: Including Israel.
Ed Vitagliano: Including Israel.
Tim Wildmon: Even though it's in the Middle East.
Ed Vitagliano: Even though it's in the Middle east, it is a democracy. It is a capitalist country. And this is all about worldview. It's all about the paradigm. It's about the way you see the world. We, come from a Christian perspective. We see Israel as being a unique nation. I know not everyone who's listening to us sees it that way, but for the most part, from a. A biblical perspective, that sees Israel, the nation of Israel, as having been reconstituted. I don't want to get into eschatology, but having been reconstituted by actions that appear to most of us to have been divine and miraculous. Okay? And because of their hatred for God and hatred for. For the West. Listen, there are, sometimes friends of mine will say, well, you're always talking about, you know, Muslim Arabs. There are Christian Arabs. And I have to go. I have to say, you know, you're right. Not. Not all Arabs are Muslim.
Tim Wildmon: Right?
Ed Vitagliano: I. Because I view the world from a certain perspective. So to me, this is the reason why these people are inconsistent. Why all their anger and hatred is directed towards Western civilization. When when Iran says, refers to the little Satan and the big Satan, we get the brunt of all these attacks because we are at the top of the heap, at least for the time being in Western civilization. And if you can beat America and if you can destroy America, you can
Tim Wildmon: overthrow the west, well then this is the enemy within.
Ed Vitagliano: Yes, it is.
Tim Wildmon: Because these people are running for office in the United States and they're winning some elections. The people you've just described.
Wesley Wildmon: Yep.
Fred Jackson: Democratic Party.
Tim Wildmon: Now I don't think it could be wrong, would be rare. But I don't think their number one appeal to the voters is we hate God, we hate Christianity, we hate America and we hate Israel. I think that is under the surface what's part of their agenda. But I think they lead with tax, the rich. the system is rigged against the average person in America. We need universal health care. We need. In other words, we need. We need, they lead with economics. We need to level the playing field.
Far left wackadoodles are infiltrating the traditional Democratic party
This is how they put it. We need to. In other words, we need to become a socialistic state that takes care of everybody because otherwise living in America is unfair. Does that make sense? They lead with that.
Wesley Wildmon: Go ahead, Fred, help me out here. Is it.
Tim Wildmon: I can help you.
Wesley Wildmon: You can help me out.
Tim Wildmon: I mean, you're looking at me. Are you looking at Fred?
Wesley Wildmon: Well, this Fred story, he brought it up so he may know a little more than us.
Tim Wildmon: Be quiet.
Wesley Wildmon: The dsa, are they not winning against other democr. Traditional Democrats? They're not necessarily, necessarily beating out a Republican.
Fred Jackson: Oh no, not yet. These are primaries.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, so yeah, these are primaries, but
Tim Wildmon: they're 50, 50 a lot of times which show they should be. 10 years ago they would be 90 to 10. The traditional Democrats would be not even worried about these far left wackadoodles. Yes, but now they're having the far left wackadoodles are, have made such inroads into the Democrat party that they're almost even the traditional Democrats. And traditional Democrats don't know what to do about them.
Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
Tim Wildmon: Because they need, they need their votes in the general. But they don't know.
Ed Vitagliano: Huh?
Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
Tim Wildmon: So they're going like what do we do about this? So anyway, we shall. Abraham Hamilton III will be with us in a few moments.
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Abe Hamilton: I've had some problems with my air conditioner
Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr. Ed is here with me. He's texting right now. Wesley's texting. Fred's panicking.
Wesley Wildmon: Hey, it's your show. You just let us know when you need us, okay? We're here. We're ready for you.
Ed Vitagliano: You know, this, this happens every time I text.
Tim Wildmon: I didn't make them all on the show, did I? Make a judgment.
Ed Vitagliano: You tell a national audience that I'm doing it right.
Tim Wildmon: I was just letting people know if Ed and Wesley aren't responsive right now, it's because they are.
Ed Vitagliano: Now I got it. Now I got to tell everybody. Why.
Fred Jackson: What.
Ed Vitagliano: What happened? So I've had some AC issues and you've had some. Supposed to get, a visit at her house and I just got a text from them saying they the place sent the wrong part, so I'm out of luck. And so now I'm just. So I had to tell my wife that, you know.
Tim Wildmon: You mean you have. No. Do you have any air conditioner?
Ed Vitagliano: Oh, no, no. We've. We've got.
Wesley Wildmon: This is an update. We went over this. Two weeks.
Ed Vitagliano: That's right. This. It's been going on this is an update. I need a surge protector on it. Because when we, when the, when the power, when the power kind of glitches off and on real quick, the AC unit does not have time to reset and it makes a terrible racket. And they told me you can burn out your compressor. So I have air conditioning. But, if we're away from the house, because what we have to do is we have to shut the air off, let it reset, put it back on, and when we're away from the house, I don't want that to happen and burn up the compressor. So this has been back and forth and I thought, yes, I get they're coming today. They're going to put this on. So now, now they said they, the place they ordered the part from the surge protector sent the wrong one and we got a little mini heat wave coming.
Tim Wildmon: I think these people giving you the run around. Well, I don't know if they're getting the run around. I think it's highest bidder. So I, I think the compressor. What did they say tell you it
Ed Vitagliano: was a surge protector?
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, they tell you the surge protector, the wrong one came in, right?
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. So then I burn out the compressor.
Tim Wildmon: I think if you offered them more money, magically the surge protector would
Ed Vitagliano: come in, would come in on time. So that's why I was. So that was. I understand that was four minutes that
Tim Wildmon: our listeners won't get back, especially today because ladies and gentlemen, well, we got
Ed Vitagliano: a little heat wave coming.
Wesley Wildmon: Monday's gonna be 102 in Tupelo.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. I'm not happy. I'm guessing we bought our unit from these folks.
Tim Wildmon: I'm guessing this is all across,
Wesley Wildmon: all
Tim Wildmon: across the country, but I don't know. But by the way, Abraham Hamilton the third with us. Hey, brother Abe.
Abraham Hamilton III: Good morning.
Ed Vitagliano: How's the AC at your house?
Tim Wildmon: Abe's a law. You're not charging us by the hour right now, are you?
Wesley Wildmon: Okay?
Tim Wildmon: Could you just be sitting over there,
Ed Vitagliano: not saying a word?
Tim Wildmon: So, yeah. Where we live here in the Tupelo, Mississippi area, we're talking 101 coming up. 101 coming up in Sunday.
Fred Jackson: and Monday.
Tim Wildmon: Huh?
Abraham Hamilton III: Huh?
Fred Jackson: Sunday and Monday.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So I hope you get JC fixed before then.
Ed Vitagliano: I do too.
Tim Wildmon: How's it gonna look? Huh? What's it, what? So it doesn't look promising right now?
Ed Vitagliano: Well, they said, sorry for, sorry for any inconvenience. They have to reorder the part.
Fred Jackson: Yeah, don't worry. The postal service will have It.
Tim Wildmon: So you're just clear. And we'll move on from this subject that nobody cares about except for me and my wife.
Ben Shapiro: Limits.
Tim Wildmon: You care about it.
The surge protector protects the air conditioner when the power flickers
So you're telling us your, your compressor, what you call it, the,
Ed Vitagliano: the, the surge protector.
Tim Wildmon: Surge protector.
Ed Vitagliano: That, that protects the air conditioner.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: When the power flickers and you're waiting on it because it's been so hot sometimes that happens where we live out in the county.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: It come. Shuts off, comes right back on.
Tim Wildmon: Like, how loud a noise does it make?
Ed Vitagliano: It, it makes. It sounds like someone stuck something in the fan because it's going backwards. Oh, that's what, that's what's happening. Something like that.
Tim Wildmon: I've seen this in a movie one time. It's called An Exorcist, I think.
Ed Vitagliano: Anyway, I, I, they're good people. I like, I like the, the folks we, we use.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Ed Vitagliano: So I don't think they're doing it on purpose, despite your slur.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Ed Vitagliano: But, but it is, it is frustrating. And, and you know, someone's basically gonna have to stay at the house.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Ed Vitagliano: If the, if the power flickers, turn the air off, wait five minutes, and put it back on.
Tim Wildmon: I got you. Well, all right, brother. We wish you the best. I don't know if that's a issue of prayer.
Ed Vitagliano: I'm not praying hard enough, apparently. All right.
Tim Wildmon: hey, good morning to you.
Abraham Hamilton III: Good morning again.
Tim Wildmon: Are you air conditioning repair man on the side?
Abraham Hamilton III: I am not.
Tim Wildmon: Okay.
Abraham Hamilton III: I am not.
Tim Wildmon: I tell you what. GHC goes out in the summertime, you know.
Wesley Wildmon: You know, quickly.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah. You sleep in your car?
Wesley Wildmon: We got ours fixed. We got ours fixed in 24 hours.
Fred Jackson: Huh?
Tim Wildmon: Huh?
Wesley Wildmon: We were praying.
Ed Vitagliano: Oh, man.
Wesley Wildmon: And living. Right. Yeah,
Tim Wildmon: that could be the problem. It's a great time for business for AC repair man. Right?
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Is there rise in the influence of Islam in the United States
Tim Wildmon: All right. okay, so we're gonna, do some, whiplash here. We're gonna get serious people and talk about something. okay, we're going to talk about what? Is there a rise in the influence of Islam in the United States and what that means, if it is true and to what degree it is true. So that's what we're going to talk about for the next few minutes because, number one, we've seen what's happened in Europe. 10 to 12% of people in France now are Muslims. Okay. And they have a lot of influence. And does that mean that down the road they're going to switch over to a, Muslim rule of law like Sharia, and is that coming to the United States. so we're going to talk about that.
Abe Rogers: Democrat Abdul El Sayed won Michigan Senate primary
but, there is a, gentleman, in state of Michigan.
Fred Jackson: Mm. Just won the primary there.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. He won the Democrat primary for the United States Senate seat.
Fred Jackson: That is Abdul El Sayed. He.
Tim Wildmon: Is he the first Muslim to possibly end up in the U.S. senate or. Abe, is that.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah, if he wins.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. He's got to win. Now, Michigan is a purple state, and we don't know whether the Republican. What's the fellow's name? Rogers.
Fred Jackson: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, he's the Republican candidate. He is. I've seen him, Abe. As favored to win over Abdul El Said. but we got a long way till November. A lot of things can happen. And as I say, Democrats, have been winning in statewide elections in Michigan for a few years now, even though it's still a purple state.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah. That seat was previously held by Gary, Peters, who.
Tim Wildmon: Democrat.
Abraham Hamilton III: Democrat. Who just announced his retirement from the Senate, which is why the seat is available.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. there was a story yesterday that went, that quoted El Sayed, the Democrat Muslim candidate from a few years back. It isn't a recent interview that he did, but it was from a few years back. What did he. Do we have that audio?
Fred Jackson: We don't have the audio.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. What did he.
Fred Jackson: The story is that he, Comments he made to the NewSong York Times in 2009 as a young man buying his first home. And what he basically said, and I'm, paraphrasing to a certain extent, he once declared his sacred obligation to follow Sharia law in every aspect of his life until he meets his maker on the day he dies.
Tim Wildmon: When did he say this?
Fred Jackson: In 2009.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. That is a. That is the proclamation, of a devout Muslim.
Fred Jackson: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. A devout Muslim. They're going to follow Sharia law until the day they die. I don't know what's happened to him, if anything, between then and what he's talking about in his campaign today. Abe, give us your overview on this.
Abraham Hamilton III: Well, do you think he's changed his position since 2009 as to whether or not he has. He's committed to following Sharia to the day he dies?
Tim Wildmon: I don't know.
Abraham Hamilton III: Right. I mean, I don't know, but I do know what the Quran teaches. I know what the Hadith say. I do know what others in this country have expressed. I do know. for example, you had the McKinney, Texas city council that just voted 7 to 0 to expand the Islamic association of McKinney there. And I, I do think, I don't think I. We see a, a rise in the influence of Islam in our own country. You know, we. There was just a march downtown Houston, Texas. 30, 000 Muslims downtown Houston, Texas. the McKinney situation I just revealed is just.
Tim Wildmon: That's north of, that's north of north
Abraham Hamilton III: of Dallas, which is McGinnis, slightly north of north of Plato, which is where you had Epic city. The, the east. Sorry. Yeah, the, the East Plano Islamic center where they promulgated an entire Muslim community that you can only move in and buy a home if you're Muslim. You have the mosque if you're Muslims. Great. Governor Greg Abbott has stepped in now to try to hold some of those things. but it's happened all around the country. Just had a rally in Chicago. you, you have the influence of Ilan Omar and then the Somalian Muslims in Minnesota. you have this happening going around the country. NewSong Jersey, you know, we have Ham Trammck, Michigan, the first majority Muslim city in the United States of America, which is not too far from Dearborn. It's here, folks. And we have to, we have to tangle with this. And I know Fred has a story where the Massachusetts state legislature is considering a bill that. To create a commission to advocate for and advance Muslims in governmental office. Explicitly Muslims. Exclusively Muslims. And what I wonder if the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State is ready to file a lawsuit against that in, Massachusetts. But we see this happening all over the country.
Tim Wildmon: Okay, how do we handle this? Because here's what I. How do we handle this as Christians and as Americans who believe in the Constitution?
Sharia law is in direct conflict with the United States Constitution, Western values
Wesley Wildmon: that's a great question.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Because, you can't discriminate on people coming to live in our country based on their religion. You, do a religious test. So, you know, before you enter, do you say you really. So it's not the religion per se? Maybe it is. Maybe I'm wrong about this. It's the, positions that strict Islam holds to the, what do you call it? The Sharia law. Sharia law is in direct conflict with the United States Constitution, Western values and our Judeo Christian roots. Right?
Abraham Hamilton III: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. So can that be reconciled?
Abraham Hamilton III: No. Sharia compliance and constitutional ordered liberty cannot be reconciled.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. That's why they're, that's why the Muslims are wanting to carve out their own communities, areas. And they've done that in Europe right there. I've heard people talk about no go zones in Great Britain.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yes, yes.
Wesley Wildmon: They Don't. They're not policed anymore.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah, yeah. And this is what has happened in places like that. And I think for, for us, the way that we navigate it. And, and, and I've talked about this on my show before, the Barbary wars of the 17, late 1700s, all the way up to 1805. The way that we, we evaluate this as Christians. Yes. And as Americans in the United States of America, where the supreme law of our nation is our Constitution is we require compliance with our laws. Like, we. We cannot have competing legal system. Legal systems, because the reality is that strict adherence to Islam is not merely a religion, it is a political supremacist ideology. And that is exactly what it is.
Tim Wildmon: That's why in Middle Eastern countries where Islam reigns, there is no separation of church and state. They're merged.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: that's why you have. And you see what happens in Iran, with the emergement. When Iran, speaks, they talk about. The first thing they lead with is Allah almost. You know, go ahead.
Wesley Wildmon: any Muslim countries that have Sharia law, which. That'd be all of them. They also exclude the Christian worldview or anything, really. Anything other than. So they don't allow for a mix
Tim Wildmon: because it's blasphemy to them.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yes.
Wesley Wildmon: So that's why. That's why I say you can.
David Frum: I support the Muslim ban. I think you should
This is Wesley here. Not a constitutionalist. I think you can.
Abraham Hamilton III: I would say you are a constitutionalist, but you're not a constitutional attorney.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, Abe. that's why I think you should. I think you should, block or. With our halt. well, let me back up. That's why. That's why I supported Trump in his first term when he said these certain countries, they didn't say everybody. He said these countries for a time period were halting their immigration because they have terrorist activity there. And they support it. The idea.
Tim Wildmon: I think you can do that. I think, I support it. That was called the Muslim ban, you call it, even though we know where you stand. it was called the Muslim ban, even though it wasn't all Muslim countries that Trump was citing. And he did have evidence for a lot of terrorism being exported from those countries that he cited. But the left said, oh, this is Islamophobe, Islamophobic and everything like that. So, Ed, do you.
Ed Vitagliano: Well, so let me add some numbers here. So I looked up about the Muslim population in America, and, between 2007 and 2020, the Muslim population in this country almost doubled. Now, according to Pew Research, center projections the Muslim population is expected to more than double again by 2050. That is still only going to represent about 2% of the US population. That'll be to roughly 8.1 million by the middle of our century. However, with that growth rate, Muslims in America will replace Jews as the second largest religious group in America by 2040.
Tim Wildmon: After Christians.
Ed Vitagliano: Yes. Well, yes, the second largest. The Jews are second largest now. Still small, but Muslims are expected to surpass that. Now, the reason for this doubling is immigration. It is also higher fertility rates.
Tim Wildmon: They have big families.
Ed Vitagliano: They have big families.
Abraham Hamilton III: It's four wives mentioned in there.
Ed Vitagliano: It's four wives. Isn't my, my concern, even beyond what we've been talking about, is what happens if people start converting to Islam?
Ed Vitagliano: Okay. I know that that is a reality inside prisons a lot and sometimes in inner cities. I don't think that's fueling, a lot of the growth of Islam in our country. But what happens. What happens if young people start flocking to Islam?
Tim Wildmon: Okay, that ain't gonna happen.
Ed Vitagliano: All right, okay, just hang with me here.
Tim Wildmon: It's just me commenting. I'm not saying you're a bad person.
Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
Tim Wildmon: I'm just saying that ain't. Ain't gonna happen.
Ed Vitagliano: How do you know that? How do you know people aren't going to convert to Islam?
Tim Wildmon: We do got David here. Let him finish his point. Then Fred wants to.
Ed Vitagliano: Well, if you guys stop interrupting me, I'll get through my point. Okay, all right, I'm done. That was it.
Tim Wildmon: Wait a minute. you shut us down to make. And that's. That's it?
Ed Vitagliano: No, I was going. What I was going to say is we could be dealing with Muslim majority communities in this country sooner than we expect. And they follow the laws of this country until they don't. All right? We could have inner cities, erupt because we're trying to re. Establish constitutional law in places that reject it. Then what do you do when you've got 16 million Muslims?
Fred Jackson: I agree with everything you've said, but I would add this. You don't have to convert to Islam to support it. That, that worries me more because look what happened 48 hours after October 2023 in Israel. We had people supporting Hamas in the streets. Outside of Columbia University and Harvard. They were supporting Muslims.
Ed Vitagliano: Right.
Fred Jackson: And attacking Hamas in particular and attacking Jewish students.
Ed Vitagliano: That is an additional. Yes, that's an additional problem.
Fred Jackson: So, you know, you can talk about critical race theory. Our universities have been teaching our kids that, Islam is oppressed and Israel is an oppressor. And that, because we go to war against Iran, we are the oppressor. And Islam, Iran is the oppressed. So it's taking over the minds of our young people in particular, without having to convert them to the religion. All right, I want a fair comment.
Tim Wildmon: That's a fair comment, by the way. I do. I do reserve the right to speak before the hour's over.
Tim Carney: I'm not worried about American young people converting to Islam
So, Wesley, if you want to go
Wesley Wildmon: ahead, I got a question for Abe.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, okay. We'll go right ahead, but I. I do. I. I got some things to say right here.
Wesley Wildmon: All right, you want to go first?
Abraham Hamilton III: I see the floor to you, sir.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, you're the go.
Tim Wildmon: You mean go. You want to write down what you.
Wesley Wildmon: I wrote it down. I got it right now.
Tim Wildmon: So, I said ain't gonna happen to your response about, American young people converting to Islam. The reason I say that is the American younger generation in this country don't want the rules of religion. In fact, they're running from it. With Christianity, we see the, You know, the reason. The reason people want to get away is they want to live their own life without the. Without having to be committed to following the moral teachings of the Bible. Does that make. Does that make sense?
Fred Jackson: Sure.
Ed Vitagliano: No, I understand what you're saying.
Tim Wildmon: So why would those same. That same generation, that same people want to adhere to something that's even more strict than the Ten Commandments in the Sermon on the Mount, and that is Sharia law? So I don't. I don't see that happening. Now, having said that, I, can still see Islam's numbers, Islamic followers, numbers rising slightly over time in the US because they have big families. Okay. And because of immigration. So that could happen. But I personally am not worried about the American, you know, 35 and under, having, you know, having mass conversions to, the Islamic religion that's. That's. Now, go ahead. Does that make what I said just make sense? Everybody nod?
Fred Jackson: Yes, sure.
Tim Wildmon: Thank you. Appreciate it, because I thought about that. Go ahead, Wesley. No, I don't. Listen, I don't need your applause, but I appreciate it.
Wesley Wildmon: One of the biggest concerns for me with Islam, and this goes back from the very beginning, when I. 15 years ago, when I started studying it, as it relates to them coming to our country and all the problems they caused with terrorism and Sharia law. The deciding factor for me to hold such a strong position is when I discovered that their teachings, Sharia law, teaches you to lie to advance the religion. Is that true?
Ed Vitagliano: Taqiyah.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah, It's a doctrine called taqiyyah. in this McKinney, Texas City Council hearing you just had last week, you had, a gentleman who testified, and he described himself as a survivor of sharia law from Iran. His name was Eddie Issa. And he pointed that out. He said that Islam teaches the doctrine of the kia, that when Islam is of a smaller influence, that you can lie in order to advance Islam. So you can say, for example, oh, I no longer believe sharia law is what I will adhere to until I meet my creator. While behind your back, your fingers are. Are crossed.
Tim Wildmon: So lion's okay with Allah according to
Abraham Hamilton III: the Takia doctrine because you deny Allah? because.
Ed Vitagliano: No, not to deny.
Abraham Hamilton III: Not to deny Allah to advance Islam.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
Abraham Hamilton III: So you can. You can.
Ed Vitagliano: You can consider my friend. You're my friend, Tim. I would never hurt you.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Abraham Hamilton III: Our beliefs are clearly compatible with u. S. Constitutional right.
Wesley Wildmon: They're not denying Allah. They're saying, no, we can. We can make this work.
Abraham Hamilton III: We stand with the DSA and the rights of our LGBTQ comrades.
Tim Wildmon: Well, that's denying the laws, of the. Of the Quran. And that's. So I guess.
Ed Vitagliano: How do you know it's.
Abraham Hamilton III: Well, they would say they're complying with the laws of Quran in the. In the effort to advance LGBTQ actions
Tim Wildmon: are incompatible with the Quran.
Abraham Hamilton III: Now, notice they're not practicing them. They're saying they're standing with their LGBTQ
Ed Vitagliano: comrades, with the sinners in order. In order to get political, to get power in America.
Wesley Wildmon: You don't look past the part where they is. They're crossing their fingers behind the back.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah. And this is. These are the kind of things that
Tim Wildmon: are the applications person and I. I believe the best about everybody. That's what my mama taught me.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I'll help you with that. I'm messing with you. All right. it's a father son thing.
Tim Wildmon: We're good. Yeah.
Wesley Wildmon: Nobody to wants worry.
Fred Jackson: You two need your own program.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Okay, we're going to take a short break right here
Tim Wildmon: Okay, we're going to take a short break right here. It's probably a good thing. We're going to regroup.
Wesley Wildmon: We're going to.
Tim Wildmon: We're going to huddle up, and I'm going to call a play. And you're going to do it. Okay. You're going to run the route that I say. All right. We'll be back in a minute. Stay with us.
Ben Shapiro: It.
Welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family radio network
Welcome to Today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family radio network. Today's August 12, 2026. And as always, we thank you for listening to AFR and joining me in studio today. Slightly better than average panel. Whoa.
Fred Jackson: Whoa.
Wesley Wildmon: I was ready to say I'm thankful to be part of the A team. Well, but didn't.
Tim Wildmon: It is an A team. average.
Tim Wildmon: Just kidding. Just kidding.
Ed Vitagliano: A for average. That's. You got it. You're right on.
Tim Wildmon: Ed Vitagliano. Good morning, brother.
Ed Vitagliano: Good, morning, Tim.
Tim Wildmon: All right. And Wesley Wildmon. Good morning, Wesley.
Wesley Wildmon: Glad to be here.
Tim Wildmon: And Fred Jackson.
Fred Jackson: I'm. I'm glad to be here.
Tim Wildmon: You're glad if people who aren't watching us in the studio on YouTube, Facebook, or our own streaming service, stream.aca.net Correct. And X. We're streaming on X too. don't know that Fred is, in a chair that's elevated above us all. Like Fred's knees are hitting the table.
Fred Jackson: That's right. He sat here last.
Tim Wildmon: He is peering down on us.
Ed Vitagliano: I'm not sure I like being peered upon.
Tim Wildmon: He's kind of like the Pope with Catholics right now. You know what I'm saying? Sort of. He's at the top about to pontificate unto us. Is that the right word?
Ed Vitagliano: Well, you know what that I want. I've been. I'm wondering if that is related to the word pontiff.
Tim Wildmon: Pontiff. It is.
Ed Vitagliano: Pontificate.
Tim Wildmon: It is.
Tim Wildmon: You're just now learning this.
Ed Vitagliano: I'm catching up. That's a personal question. However, since you brought it up, I am 14 days away from being 68 years old.
Tim Wildmon: Oh, you're really all right, then you can elevate your chair.
Ed Vitagliano: I'm elevating.
Tim Ferriss: It still bothers me to sit on the left
Wesley Wildmon: I have my own problems over here.
Tim Wildmon: What's that?
Wesley Wildmon: I'm like two or three years in on this show and it's still bothers me to sit on the left over here. Oh, because you're so far right.
Tim Wildmon: You're to the far left as we face the window. You are. You're on the far left.
Wesley Wildmon: And I, I'm so. I'm such a far right conservative that I have to walk on the right and do things with the right hand. That's how I'm just kidding. And so I walk in the room and it's still. I mean, I sit down and it Cringes, man. It takes a couple minutes to get in the program, to get my mind off of it, you know?
Ed Vitagliano: You know, it's. It's interesting you say that. And I wonder. This is an interesting phenomenon because as far as I can tell, you and your brother, Walk Walker are to the right of Tim. My son Tony is to the right of me.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: You know, I just wonder because normally you would think that the next. The second generation, the younger generation would be a little bit more moderate.
Fred Jackson: Sure.
Ed Vitagliano: You know, a little bit more liberal. No, you guys are. You guys are. Have swerved. Right.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: In your lives.
Wesley Wildmon: There's a little bit of seriousness here for a minute. I know we're having fun. A lot of that does come with. With growing up in the middle of the WOKE movement or. Or living life in. In the woke because of the insanity. And co was one of the big things that shifted me a little farther going.
Ed Vitagliano: That makes sense.
Wesley Wildmon: Cuz, back in there in the CO days when they were shutting down churches.
Fred Jackson: Yeah.
Wesley Wildmon: And keeping. I mean, your first. Our First Amendment was such, On a. Owner attacked.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Wesley Wildmon: That it was under attack. Under attack. Those couple of things. The WOKE movement, the, Covid. There's some other things. Dei. Ah, yeah. Those are things that really shifted. And that's the case for a lot of my generations and generations. Generation.
Tim Wildmon: So, anyway, I'm softer and I'm more. I have a bigger heart. And so I am to the.
Wesley Wildmon: I'm not gonna argue that.
Tim Wildmon: I guess I'm. I don't know how I ended up to the left of my son, but.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I just gave you a partial of my sons.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So anyway, so you're to the. You're not far right as Tony, are you?
Ed Vitagliano: No, I'm usually trying to calm him down.
Tim Wildmon: You're a moderate.
Fred Jackson: Listen, I'm so far right. I left the country.
Tim Wildmon: Literally.
Fred Jackson: Did
Tim Wildmon: change this to far right. Today's issues. I don't know.
Fred: We don't get near the response that we used to when Tim
All right. Lot to talk about on, the program today. As always, we appreciate you, joining us. Listen, I don't feel. I just feel the need to say this. We didn't get a. And I've said it before, and I want everybody to listen to what I have to say.
Ed Vitagliano: Right.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. We, we don't get near the response that we used to when Tim talks about President Trump.
Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: And some of you too, here.
Ed Vitagliano: but not as much as you.
Tim Wildmon: No, no. I just want people to know I do have respect for the presidency. I shouldn't have to Say this, the office of the presidency and I do, have greatly admired President Trump for many things that he's done and stood for. And I understand he's been under attack from the left wing media and other people over the years. But if we can't have honest conversations about things he does that are wrong, then that's man worship. Okay. And so, as I said, I, we're not getting, at first when I was say something critical of President Trump, it was like, oh man, you talked about, yeah, an apostle. You know what I'm saying?
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Tim Wildmon: And I just wanted people to know that, we, ah, that I have great admiration for many things President Trump does and says and his policies for the most part have been wonderful. But that doesn't mean that he isn't he's beyond criticism when he, if we don't, if we aren't fair in our criticism. When things happen that he does that are, and most of his things that he does. Are his words unforced. Yeah, they're unforced errors. But you can't just let everything pass without being about noting them or being critical. Otherwise you just be gonna become a partisan hack.
Ed Vitagliano: Well, what will be no different than the liberal media, but from the other side.
Tim Wildmon: That's what I'm saying.
Ed Vitagliano: And we're Christians. This is a Christian ministry. We have got to say what we believe to be true. and we hope our listeners understand periodically we do get. This is in regards to one person who called in. This isn't a slew of things.
Tim Wildmon: Right. We didn't get a lot of response, but we got a couple the other day. Yeah, it hurt my feelings.
Ed Vitagliano: Well, that's because you have a big heart. We just established that.
Tim Wildmon: Like to be criticized.
Ed Vitagliano: Right.
Tim Wildmon: Some people might, but it bothers me.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, it, it's, well, that's because you have a big heart and we just talked about that.
Tim Wildmon: Big heart.
Ed Vitagliano: You have a tender heart.
Tim Wildmon: A tender heart. So I'm not a bleeding heart yet.
Ed Vitagliano: So we're going to say, listen, and sometimes I, I can be wrong about, you know, maybe my criticisms. I, I am looking at, I, I, I don't, I don't like the fix we've gotten into in Iran. I, I was going to joke and
Wesley Wildmon: say that's our first story.
Ed Vitagliano: Oh man, I don't know if we're even doing that story, but I am looking from an outside outsider's perspective. If I find out, well, this is what President Trump was dealing with and okay, I'll admit, well, I had that Situation wrong. But we're human. So we, we have to look at these situations. We're not in the situation room. We have to do our, do our best to talk about what's happening and what we think the consequences might be. And sometimes we're wrong, folks.
Tim Wildmon: All right, Fred, what's your first story?
Far right program says Democrat Party is almost split between far left and traditionalists
Fred Jackson: Well, the far right program that we are part of has spent, a good deal of time talking about a far left, Francisca Hong. She was leading in the polls, leading up to the Democrat primary substantially in Wisconsin. Double digits for governor, for governor. And but she lost last night to David Crowley, by a very narrow margin. Less than 1% was rigged. That's how close it was.
Tim Wildmon: She lost. Somebody was rigged. But we can talk about that later. So she, she, this is the far, far lefty, more traditional Democrat.
Fred Jackson: Yes, the more traditional Democrat. This was another case, much like in Michigan, where Abdul El Sayed, a Democrat, Socialist in description, he didn't like that title, but he won narrowly last week in the Michigan primary, for senator there. So, there was an expectation that Francesca Hong was going to run away with it and be the Democrat nominee. It didn't happen last night. A lot of it has to do with the leaders of the Democrat Socialist movement refused to endorse her. People like Bernie Sanders, they thought she was way too far left when, when it came out, she wanted to cancel Thanksgiving. Yeah, that was a big one.
Tim Wildmon: Bernie Sanders thinks you're too far left. This is alternative universe stuff here.
Fred Jackson: Yeah.
Tim Wildmon: Wow. Okay.
Fred Jackson: But as I say it again, like in Michigan, it was very close and it points to the division within the Democratic Party.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Fred Jackson: They're still having to deal with this because, in Abdul El Sayed case, he had 750,000 people who voted for him. That's a lot of Michiganers.
Wesley Wildmon: Michigan.
Tim Wildmon: Is that all that voted in a primary in Michigan?
Fred Jackson: Well, that's who voted for him. But, the more traditionalist, Haley Stevens, the woman congressman, she was running for the fourth term. I think she was a well established Michigan Democrat congresswoman. She lost and it was a, close margin, 1%. So there was over a million people voted in that Democrat primary, but he got 750,000 of the votes.
Ben Shapiro: Okay.
Tim Wildmon: What this is demonstrating is the Democrat Party, as we've said here, is divided almost evenly, at least in these northern states so far. the upper Midwest, the NewSong England, it's been, and some out west, it's been divided when they've had primaries now and we are in primary season August because we're leading up to the general election in November, Election day, or as we call it in America, election season. do you see what I did there? Yeah, yeah. So, election. We got the elections coming up. So what is proven is that the Democrat Party is almost split now between people that are literally far left wackadoodles, versus more traditional Democrats. And they're divided. And the more traditional Democrats, while they're still left, they on the left wing of the spectrum of the political spectrum, they are, they're worried that these far, far lefters are going to cost them the elections in the general election in November. Right. Is that, does that lay that out?
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, because when we talk about far left wackadoodles, we're talking about people who are saying, get rid of ice, defund the police, defund the Pentagon, get rid of jails, no prisons, no borders.
Wesley Wildmon: And exaggerating though, because, and it's that 10 years, five years ago, if we would have said this is what's about to happen. You say that we're exaggerating. These are what they are asking.
Tim Wildmon: They're saying this out loud.
Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: And honestly some of these left wing candidates that are saying these things out loud, when they're put on the spot, they try to, they're trying to hit, they're trying to hem haw. Okay, but when they put it down on paper and say these are our policies that we're trying to advance, it says the very same things that you've said.
Ed Vitagliano: I did.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. I'm sorry, we're sorry we pontificated on you there, Fred.
Fred Jackson: That's okay.
Ed Vitagliano: Even though we're not sitting as high as you are.
One of the themes of the Democrat Socialists of America is anti Israel
Tim Wildmon: What's next?
Fred Jackson: Well, one of the themes, and Ben Shapiro was on Fox and Friends this morning, one of the themes of the Democrat Socialists of America, and it bleeds over into what would be called moderate Democrats, is this anti Israel attitude. And DSA co chair Megan Romer. Now we played some clips from her before she was interviewed recently and did not do well in the interview when challenged on some of these things, you know, shut down, no M money for police, no jails, etc. Etc. Well, she was asked about the Israel question. Megan Romer was, and this is what she had to say about a, ah, one state solution without Israel. Believe it or not, this was her response. Cut number four. What in fact is the position of dsa?
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, so our position is a free Palestine with the capital in Jerusalem.
Abraham Hamilton III: and so I think that could be safely read as a one state solution.
Fred Jackson: So the Camp David Accords that were being negotiated at the beginning of the century under the Clinton administration, had the Palestinians accepted it, that would have satisfied you?
Ben Shapiro: Good question.
Abraham Hamilton III: I need to look at what the
Ben Shapiro: actual specifics there were.
Ed Vitagliano: I don't know them off the top of my head.
Fred Jackson: Do you hear what she said? A, Palestinian state capital in Jerusalem.
Ed Vitagliano: But she said a one state, a one state solution.
Fred Jackson: What happened to Israel in her mind?
Ed Vitagliano: I'm surprised that the. Well, I shouldn't say I'm surprised. That's the next question you ask.
Fred Jackson: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: Whose state are you saying there is no Israel? State of Israel and state of Palestine.
Fred Jackson: Yeah. She was challenged about you want to eliminate what was achieved at Camp David to a certain extent. Two state solution. All right. She didn't know enough to talk about that. She talks about a one state solution, Palestinian state with a capital in Jerusalem.
Ed Vitagliano: And who is this? This is the dsa. Lady Romer, co chair.
Fred Jackson: Yeah. Megan Romer.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Fred Jackson: Ben Shapiro was asked to respond to that and you can only imagine how he responded. Cut number five.
Ben Shapiro: The DSA is an anti American, anti Western organization. That is what they are at their essence. Their basic argument is that capitalism itself is what drives imperialism and colonialism and racism and settler colonialism and all the buzzwords that they learned at their Columbia undergrad classes or NYU undergrad classes. And the Democratic Party is ingesting this stuff wholesale. The only question for the Democratic Party is are they fully willing to go all the way DSA or just sort of pretend dsa?
Fred Jackson: Yeah. And the DSA is not through with their Israel problem because there's another Democrat primary next week in Florida. And there, one of the candidates that people like Ben Shapiro are looking at is a guy by the name of Oliver Larkin. Oliver Larkin. This is what he has had to say about Israel. Cut number two.
Ed Vitagliano: I think that Israel should be a, ah, secular and democratic state with equal rights for all people.
Tim Wildmon: And the current configuration of the state
Ed Vitagliano: of Israel is a religious supremacist, one that privileges Jewish citizens above Palestinians.
Tim Wildmon: Israel has been rightfully attributed as committing
Ed Vitagliano: a genocide and apartheid. If it were up to me, I
Tim Wildmon: do not think that we should be
Ed Vitagliano: aiding and abetting a genocide by either providing taxpayer funded weaponry or selling it.
Fred Jackson: Now listen to what Ben Shapiro had to say about this guy because we both know he's not telling the truth. Cut number three.
Ben Shapiro: I mean all of that is lies. Obviously. 20% of Israel's citizenry is Arab and Palestinian. the Palestinians he's talking about are governed by the Palestinian Authority or by Hamas, whom they actually elected in the Gaza strip back in 2005. And obviously there was no genocide in the Gaza Strip by any stretch of the imagination. But this has become the talking point, and the reason that it has become the talking point is because every argument that the DSA makes about Israel is an argument they actually make about America. When they say that Israel is a settler colonialist state, what they mean is that the west is a settler colonialist regime. America is a settler colonialist state. By the same exact argument, when they suggest that Israel committed a genocide in Gaza, they will say the same thing about America. America, genocide of the Native Americans. America is responsible for all of the genocides happening all over the world.
Tim Wildmon: Let me ask you this. This fellow that we heard before, Ben Shapiro, Oliver Larkin.
Fred Jackson: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: Who is a Democrat candidate for governor in Florida.
Fred Jackson: Congressional candidate.
Tim Wildmon: Oh, he's a congressional candidate, not gubernatorial.
Fred Jackson: That's right. In fact, he's taking on a Jewish Democrat.
Tim Wildmon: Okay, so, here's the deal. I don't understand. I do understand, but I'll ask this rhetorically. In a way. Why the obsession, by these Democrat. Again, again, what do they call themselves? Democrat. What?
Wesley Wildmon: Socialists of America. Dsa.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. These Democrat Socialists of America. What's their obsession with Israel? I mean, why is he, Why, why. maybe they would probably say, well, what's your obsession with Israel? But I would say, why aren't you talking. If you're talking about human rights, which you say you are, let me tell you, we got. There's a country you may have heard of called China, which is a communist country that brutally, that brutally controls, probably a quarter of the world's population. You don't hear them talking about China.
Yarl King: Leftists use human rights as weapon against Western civilization
These same people, they want to talk about this little tiny state on the world stage over in the Middle east, and they're not telling the truth about that, situation. So why are they obsessed with Israel here?
Wesley Wildmon: That's a good point.
Tim Wildmon: I have a lot of them. There's just one.
Wesley Wildmon: Well, if you think about it, anybody on the left that talks about human rights, they always leave out whether. Whether we can. There's a, You know, obviously they're not telling the truth about the human rights that they are describing in America. They'll say, human rights of trans or homosexuals. That's one thing. That's a discussion. And we disagree. We can agree to disagree a lot. But they never, ever, ever discuss the human rights of other countries. But they put our country down to say we lack human rights or Israel doesn't have human rights, but these there are. So on the, on the scale of most human rights, we're going to be in the top two or three, right?
Tim Wildmon: That's why people. That's why people flood through the. Cross over the border by the millions to get here.
Wesley Wildmon: But the human rights in other countries, the best. Another example that I'm gonna one up you. You ready?
Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Wesley Wildmon: What about the. What about the human rights of, of the LGBT community and the Islam. And the Islam community?
Tim Wildmon: they don't exist.
Wesley Wildmon: They don't exist. But you never hear them, when they, when they collide, they stop talking.
Tim Wildmon: Why. Why don't. Why don't these people every other day, instead of talking about Israel, why don't you hear them talking about, hey, in Saudi Arabia, they, they throw gays off buildings.
Ed Vitagliano: I got the answer. In Africa, you guys. Okay, when you guys are done talking, just.
Wesley Wildmon: What about the human rights in Africa? Yeah, for the Christians.
Tim Wildmon: Right?
Ed Vitagliano: Okay, here. Here's the answer. You guys ready? These folks are at war against the west, okay? They hate Western civilization. They hate Western civilization because it is based on Christianity and they hate God.
Wesley Wildmon: That's it.
Ed Vitagliano: And so this is not really about human rights, to Yarl's point, because if it was about human rights, they'd be talking about Saudi Arabia. They'd be. Yeah, they'd be consistent. This is not. They're using human rights as a weapon, one of many, against Western civilization because.
Tim Wildmon: Including Israel.
Ed Vitagliano: Including Israel.
Tim Wildmon: Even though it's in the Middle East.
Ed Vitagliano: Even though it's in the Middle east, it is a democracy. It is a capitalist country. And this is all about worldview. It's all about the paradigm. It's about the way you see the world. We, come from a Christian perspective. We see Israel as being a unique nation. I know not everyone who's listening to us sees it that way, but for the most part, from a. A biblical perspective, that sees Israel, the nation of Israel, as having been reconstituted. I don't want to get into eschatology, but having been reconstituted by actions that appear to most of us to have been divine and miraculous. Okay? And because of their hatred for God and hatred for. For the West. Listen, there are, sometimes friends of mine will say, well, you're always talking about, you know, Muslim Arabs. There are Christian Arabs. And I have to go. I have to say, you know, you're right. Not. Not all Arabs are Muslim.
Tim Wildmon: Right?
Ed Vitagliano: I. Because I view the world from a certain perspective. So to me, this is the reason why these people are inconsistent. Why all their anger and hatred is directed towards Western civilization. When when Iran says, refers to the little Satan and the big Satan, we get the brunt of all these attacks because we are at the top of the heap, at least for the time being in Western civilization. And if you can beat America and if you can destroy America, you can
Tim Wildmon: overthrow the west, well then this is the enemy within.
Ed Vitagliano: Yes, it is.
Tim Wildmon: Because these people are running for office in the United States and they're winning some elections. The people you've just described.
Wesley Wildmon: Yep.
Fred Jackson: Democratic Party.
Tim Wildmon: Now I don't think it could be wrong, would be rare. But I don't think their number one appeal to the voters is we hate God, we hate Christianity, we hate America and we hate Israel. I think that is under the surface what's part of their agenda. But I think they lead with tax, the rich. the system is rigged against the average person in America. We need universal health care. We need. In other words, we need. We need, they lead with economics. We need to level the playing field.
Far left wackadoodles are infiltrating the traditional Democratic party
This is how they put it. We need to. In other words, we need to become a socialistic state that takes care of everybody because otherwise living in America is unfair. Does that make sense? They lead with that.
Wesley Wildmon: Go ahead, Fred, help me out here. Is it.
Tim Wildmon: I can help you.
Wesley Wildmon: You can help me out.
Tim Wildmon: I mean, you're looking at me. Are you looking at Fred?
Wesley Wildmon: Well, this Fred story, he brought it up so he may know a little more than us.
Tim Wildmon: Be quiet.
Wesley Wildmon: The dsa, are they not winning against other democr. Traditional Democrats? They're not necessarily, necessarily beating out a Republican.
Fred Jackson: Oh no, not yet. These are primaries.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, so yeah, these are primaries, but
Tim Wildmon: they're 50, 50 a lot of times which show they should be. 10 years ago they would be 90 to 10. The traditional Democrats would be not even worried about these far left wackadoodles. Yes, but now they're having the far left wackadoodles are, have made such inroads into the Democrat party that they're almost even the traditional Democrats. And traditional Democrats don't know what to do about them.
Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
Tim Wildmon: Because they need, they need their votes in the general. But they don't know.
Ed Vitagliano: Huh?
Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
Tim Wildmon: So they're going like what do we do about this? So anyway, we shall. Abraham Hamilton III will be with us in a few moments.
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Abe Hamilton: I've had some problems with my air conditioner
Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr. Ed is here with me. He's texting right now. Wesley's texting. Fred's panicking.
Wesley Wildmon: Hey, it's your show. You just let us know when you need us, okay? We're here. We're ready for you.
Ed Vitagliano: You know, this, this happens every time I text.
Tim Wildmon: I didn't make them all on the show, did I? Make a judgment.
Ed Vitagliano: You tell a national audience that I'm doing it right.
Tim Wildmon: I was just letting people know if Ed and Wesley aren't responsive right now, it's because they are.
Ed Vitagliano: Now I got it. Now I got to tell everybody. Why.
Fred Jackson: What.
Ed Vitagliano: What happened? So I've had some AC issues and you've had some. Supposed to get, a visit at her house and I just got a text from them saying they the place sent the wrong part, so I'm out of luck. And so now I'm just. So I had to tell my wife that, you know.
Tim Wildmon: You mean you have. No. Do you have any air conditioner?
Ed Vitagliano: Oh, no, no. We've. We've got.
Wesley Wildmon: This is an update. We went over this. Two weeks.
Ed Vitagliano: That's right. This. It's been going on this is an update. I need a surge protector on it. Because when we, when the, when the power, when the power kind of glitches off and on real quick, the AC unit does not have time to reset and it makes a terrible racket. And they told me you can burn out your compressor. So I have air conditioning. But, if we're away from the house, because what we have to do is we have to shut the air off, let it reset, put it back on, and when we're away from the house, I don't want that to happen and burn up the compressor. So this has been back and forth and I thought, yes, I get they're coming today. They're going to put this on. So now, now they said they, the place they ordered the part from the surge protector sent the wrong one and we got a little mini heat wave coming.
Tim Wildmon: I think these people giving you the run around. Well, I don't know if they're getting the run around. I think it's highest bidder. So I, I think the compressor. What did they say tell you it
Ed Vitagliano: was a surge protector?
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, they tell you the surge protector, the wrong one came in, right?
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. So then I burn out the compressor.
Tim Wildmon: I think if you offered them more money, magically the surge protector would
Ed Vitagliano: come in, would come in on time. So that's why I was. So that was. I understand that was four minutes that
Tim Wildmon: our listeners won't get back, especially today because ladies and gentlemen, well, we got
Ed Vitagliano: a little heat wave coming.
Wesley Wildmon: Monday's gonna be 102 in Tupelo.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. I'm not happy. I'm guessing we bought our unit from these folks.
Tim Wildmon: I'm guessing this is all across,
Wesley Wildmon: all
Tim Wildmon: across the country, but I don't know. But by the way, Abraham Hamilton the third with us. Hey, brother Abe.
Abraham Hamilton III: Good morning.
Ed Vitagliano: How's the AC at your house?
Tim Wildmon: Abe's a law. You're not charging us by the hour right now, are you?
Wesley Wildmon: Okay?
Tim Wildmon: Could you just be sitting over there,
Ed Vitagliano: not saying a word?
Tim Wildmon: So, yeah. Where we live here in the Tupelo, Mississippi area, we're talking 101 coming up. 101 coming up in Sunday.
Fred Jackson: and Monday.
Tim Wildmon: Huh?
Abraham Hamilton III: Huh?
Fred Jackson: Sunday and Monday.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So I hope you get JC fixed before then.
Ed Vitagliano: I do too.
Tim Wildmon: How's it gonna look? Huh? What's it, what? So it doesn't look promising right now?
Ed Vitagliano: Well, they said, sorry for, sorry for any inconvenience. They have to reorder the part.
Fred Jackson: Yeah, don't worry. The postal service will have It.
Tim Wildmon: So you're just clear. And we'll move on from this subject that nobody cares about except for me and my wife.
Ben Shapiro: Limits.
Tim Wildmon: You care about it.
The surge protector protects the air conditioner when the power flickers
So you're telling us your, your compressor, what you call it, the,
Ed Vitagliano: the, the surge protector.
Tim Wildmon: Surge protector.
Ed Vitagliano: That, that protects the air conditioner.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: When the power flickers and you're waiting on it because it's been so hot sometimes that happens where we live out in the county.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Ed Vitagliano: It come. Shuts off, comes right back on.
Tim Wildmon: Like, how loud a noise does it make?
Ed Vitagliano: It, it makes. It sounds like someone stuck something in the fan because it's going backwards. Oh, that's what, that's what's happening. Something like that.
Tim Wildmon: I've seen this in a movie one time. It's called An Exorcist, I think.
Ed Vitagliano: Anyway, I, I, they're good people. I like, I like the, the folks we, we use.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Ed Vitagliano: So I don't think they're doing it on purpose, despite your slur.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Ed Vitagliano: But, but it is, it is frustrating. And, and you know, someone's basically gonna have to stay at the house.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Ed Vitagliano: If the, if the power flickers, turn the air off, wait five minutes, and put it back on.
Tim Wildmon: I got you. Well, all right, brother. We wish you the best. I don't know if that's a issue of prayer.
Ed Vitagliano: I'm not praying hard enough, apparently. All right.
Tim Wildmon: hey, good morning to you.
Abraham Hamilton III: Good morning again.
Tim Wildmon: Are you air conditioning repair man on the side?
Abraham Hamilton III: I am not.
Tim Wildmon: Okay.
Abraham Hamilton III: I am not.
Tim Wildmon: I tell you what. GHC goes out in the summertime, you know.
Wesley Wildmon: You know, quickly.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah. You sleep in your car?
Wesley Wildmon: We got ours fixed. We got ours fixed in 24 hours.
Fred Jackson: Huh?
Tim Wildmon: Huh?
Wesley Wildmon: We were praying.
Ed Vitagliano: Oh, man.
Wesley Wildmon: And living. Right. Yeah,
Tim Wildmon: that could be the problem. It's a great time for business for AC repair man. Right?
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Is there rise in the influence of Islam in the United States
Tim Wildmon: All right. okay, so we're gonna, do some, whiplash here. We're gonna get serious people and talk about something. okay, we're going to talk about what? Is there a rise in the influence of Islam in the United States and what that means, if it is true and to what degree it is true. So that's what we're going to talk about for the next few minutes because, number one, we've seen what's happened in Europe. 10 to 12% of people in France now are Muslims. Okay. And they have a lot of influence. And does that mean that down the road they're going to switch over to a, Muslim rule of law like Sharia, and is that coming to the United States. so we're going to talk about that.
Abe Rogers: Democrat Abdul El Sayed won Michigan Senate primary
but, there is a, gentleman, in state of Michigan.
Fred Jackson: Mm. Just won the primary there.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. He won the Democrat primary for the United States Senate seat.
Fred Jackson: That is Abdul El Sayed. He.
Tim Wildmon: Is he the first Muslim to possibly end up in the U.S. senate or. Abe, is that.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah, if he wins.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. He's got to win. Now, Michigan is a purple state, and we don't know whether the Republican. What's the fellow's name? Rogers.
Fred Jackson: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, he's the Republican candidate. He is. I've seen him, Abe. As favored to win over Abdul El Said. but we got a long way till November. A lot of things can happen. And as I say, Democrats, have been winning in statewide elections in Michigan for a few years now, even though it's still a purple state.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah. That seat was previously held by Gary, Peters, who.
Tim Wildmon: Democrat.
Abraham Hamilton III: Democrat. Who just announced his retirement from the Senate, which is why the seat is available.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. there was a story yesterday that went, that quoted El Sayed, the Democrat Muslim candidate from a few years back. It isn't a recent interview that he did, but it was from a few years back. What did he. Do we have that audio?
Fred Jackson: We don't have the audio.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. What did he.
Fred Jackson: The story is that he, Comments he made to the NewSong York Times in 2009 as a young man buying his first home. And what he basically said, and I'm, paraphrasing to a certain extent, he once declared his sacred obligation to follow Sharia law in every aspect of his life until he meets his maker on the day he dies.
Tim Wildmon: When did he say this?
Fred Jackson: In 2009.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. That is a. That is the proclamation, of a devout Muslim.
Fred Jackson: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. A devout Muslim. They're going to follow Sharia law until the day they die. I don't know what's happened to him, if anything, between then and what he's talking about in his campaign today. Abe, give us your overview on this.
Abraham Hamilton III: Well, do you think he's changed his position since 2009 as to whether or not he has. He's committed to following Sharia to the day he dies?
Tim Wildmon: I don't know.
Abraham Hamilton III: Right. I mean, I don't know, but I do know what the Quran teaches. I know what the Hadith say. I do know what others in this country have expressed. I do know. for example, you had the McKinney, Texas city council that just voted 7 to 0 to expand the Islamic association of McKinney there. And I, I do think, I don't think I. We see a, a rise in the influence of Islam in our own country. You know, we. There was just a march downtown Houston, Texas. 30, 000 Muslims downtown Houston, Texas. the McKinney situation I just revealed is just.
Tim Wildmon: That's north of, that's north of north
Abraham Hamilton III: of Dallas, which is McGinnis, slightly north of north of Plato, which is where you had Epic city. The, the east. Sorry. Yeah, the, the East Plano Islamic center where they promulgated an entire Muslim community that you can only move in and buy a home if you're Muslim. You have the mosque if you're Muslims. Great. Governor Greg Abbott has stepped in now to try to hold some of those things. but it's happened all around the country. Just had a rally in Chicago. you, you have the influence of Ilan Omar and then the Somalian Muslims in Minnesota. you have this happening going around the country. NewSong Jersey, you know, we have Ham Trammck, Michigan, the first majority Muslim city in the United States of America, which is not too far from Dearborn. It's here, folks. And we have to, we have to tangle with this. And I know Fred has a story where the Massachusetts state legislature is considering a bill that. To create a commission to advocate for and advance Muslims in governmental office. Explicitly Muslims. Exclusively Muslims. And what I wonder if the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State is ready to file a lawsuit against that in, Massachusetts. But we see this happening all over the country.
Tim Wildmon: Okay, how do we handle this? Because here's what I. How do we handle this as Christians and as Americans who believe in the Constitution?
Sharia law is in direct conflict with the United States Constitution, Western values
Wesley Wildmon: that's a great question.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Because, you can't discriminate on people coming to live in our country based on their religion. You, do a religious test. So, you know, before you enter, do you say you really. So it's not the religion per se? Maybe it is. Maybe I'm wrong about this. It's the, positions that strict Islam holds to the, what do you call it? The Sharia law. Sharia law is in direct conflict with the United States Constitution, Western values and our Judeo Christian roots. Right?
Abraham Hamilton III: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. So can that be reconciled?
Abraham Hamilton III: No. Sharia compliance and constitutional ordered liberty cannot be reconciled.
Tim Wildmon: Okay. That's why they're, that's why the Muslims are wanting to carve out their own communities, areas. And they've done that in Europe right there. I've heard people talk about no go zones in Great Britain.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yes, yes.
Wesley Wildmon: They Don't. They're not policed anymore.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah, yeah. And this is what has happened in places like that. And I think for, for us, the way that we navigate it. And, and, and I've talked about this on my show before, the Barbary wars of the 17, late 1700s, all the way up to 1805. The way that we, we evaluate this as Christians. Yes. And as Americans in the United States of America, where the supreme law of our nation is our Constitution is we require compliance with our laws. Like, we. We cannot have competing legal system. Legal systems, because the reality is that strict adherence to Islam is not merely a religion, it is a political supremacist ideology. And that is exactly what it is.
Tim Wildmon: That's why in Middle Eastern countries where Islam reigns, there is no separation of church and state. They're merged.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yes.
Tim Wildmon: that's why you have. And you see what happens in Iran, with the emergement. When Iran, speaks, they talk about. The first thing they lead with is Allah almost. You know, go ahead.
Wesley Wildmon: any Muslim countries that have Sharia law, which. That'd be all of them. They also exclude the Christian worldview or anything, really. Anything other than. So they don't allow for a mix
Tim Wildmon: because it's blasphemy to them.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yes.
Wesley Wildmon: So that's why. That's why I say you can.
David Frum: I support the Muslim ban. I think you should
This is Wesley here. Not a constitutionalist. I think you can.
Abraham Hamilton III: I would say you are a constitutionalist, but you're not a constitutional attorney.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, Abe. that's why I think you should. I think you should, block or. With our halt. well, let me back up. That's why. That's why I supported Trump in his first term when he said these certain countries, they didn't say everybody. He said these countries for a time period were halting their immigration because they have terrorist activity there. And they support it. The idea.
Tim Wildmon: I think you can do that. I think, I support it. That was called the Muslim ban, you call it, even though we know where you stand. it was called the Muslim ban, even though it wasn't all Muslim countries that Trump was citing. And he did have evidence for a lot of terrorism being exported from those countries that he cited. But the left said, oh, this is Islamophobe, Islamophobic and everything like that. So, Ed, do you.
Ed Vitagliano: Well, so let me add some numbers here. So I looked up about the Muslim population in America, and, between 2007 and 2020, the Muslim population in this country almost doubled. Now, according to Pew Research, center projections the Muslim population is expected to more than double again by 2050. That is still only going to represent about 2% of the US population. That'll be to roughly 8.1 million by the middle of our century. However, with that growth rate, Muslims in America will replace Jews as the second largest religious group in America by 2040.
Tim Wildmon: After Christians.
Ed Vitagliano: Yes. Well, yes, the second largest. The Jews are second largest now. Still small, but Muslims are expected to surpass that. Now, the reason for this doubling is immigration. It is also higher fertility rates.
Tim Wildmon: They have big families.
Ed Vitagliano: They have big families.
Abraham Hamilton III: It's four wives mentioned in there.
Ed Vitagliano: It's four wives. Isn't my, my concern, even beyond what we've been talking about, is what happens if people start converting to Islam?
Ed Vitagliano: Okay. I know that that is a reality inside prisons a lot and sometimes in inner cities. I don't think that's fueling, a lot of the growth of Islam in our country. But what happens. What happens if young people start flocking to Islam?
Tim Wildmon: Okay, that ain't gonna happen.
Ed Vitagliano: All right, okay, just hang with me here.
Tim Wildmon: It's just me commenting. I'm not saying you're a bad person.
Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
Tim Wildmon: I'm just saying that ain't. Ain't gonna happen.
Ed Vitagliano: How do you know that? How do you know people aren't going to convert to Islam?
Tim Wildmon: We do got David here. Let him finish his point. Then Fred wants to.
Ed Vitagliano: Well, if you guys stop interrupting me, I'll get through my point. Okay, all right, I'm done. That was it.
Tim Wildmon: Wait a minute. you shut us down to make. And that's. That's it?
Ed Vitagliano: No, I was going. What I was going to say is we could be dealing with Muslim majority communities in this country sooner than we expect. And they follow the laws of this country until they don't. All right? We could have inner cities, erupt because we're trying to re. Establish constitutional law in places that reject it. Then what do you do when you've got 16 million Muslims?
Fred Jackson: I agree with everything you've said, but I would add this. You don't have to convert to Islam to support it. That, that worries me more because look what happened 48 hours after October 2023 in Israel. We had people supporting Hamas in the streets. Outside of Columbia University and Harvard. They were supporting Muslims.
Ed Vitagliano: Right.
Fred Jackson: And attacking Hamas in particular and attacking Jewish students.
Ed Vitagliano: That is an additional. Yes, that's an additional problem.
Fred Jackson: So, you know, you can talk about critical race theory. Our universities have been teaching our kids that, Islam is oppressed and Israel is an oppressor. And that, because we go to war against Iran, we are the oppressor. And Islam, Iran is the oppressed. So it's taking over the minds of our young people in particular, without having to convert them to the religion. All right, I want a fair comment.
Tim Wildmon: That's a fair comment, by the way. I do. I do reserve the right to speak before the hour's over.
Tim Carney: I'm not worried about American young people converting to Islam
So, Wesley, if you want to go
Wesley Wildmon: ahead, I got a question for Abe.
Tim Wildmon: Yeah, okay. We'll go right ahead, but I. I do. I. I got some things to say right here.
Wesley Wildmon: All right, you want to go first?
Abraham Hamilton III: I see the floor to you, sir.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, you're the go.
Tim Wildmon: You mean go. You want to write down what you.
Wesley Wildmon: I wrote it down. I got it right now.
Tim Wildmon: So, I said ain't gonna happen to your response about, American young people converting to Islam. The reason I say that is the American younger generation in this country don't want the rules of religion. In fact, they're running from it. With Christianity, we see the, You know, the reason. The reason people want to get away is they want to live their own life without the. Without having to be committed to following the moral teachings of the Bible. Does that make. Does that make sense?
Fred Jackson: Sure.
Ed Vitagliano: No, I understand what you're saying.
Tim Wildmon: So why would those same. That same generation, that same people want to adhere to something that's even more strict than the Ten Commandments in the Sermon on the Mount, and that is Sharia law? So I don't. I don't see that happening. Now, having said that, I, can still see Islam's numbers, Islamic followers, numbers rising slightly over time in the US because they have big families. Okay. And because of immigration. So that could happen. But I personally am not worried about the American, you know, 35 and under, having, you know, having mass conversions to, the Islamic religion that's. That's. Now, go ahead. Does that make what I said just make sense? Everybody nod?
Fred Jackson: Yes, sure.
Tim Wildmon: Thank you. Appreciate it, because I thought about that. Go ahead, Wesley. No, I don't. Listen, I don't need your applause, but I appreciate it.
Wesley Wildmon: One of the biggest concerns for me with Islam, and this goes back from the very beginning, when I. 15 years ago, when I started studying it, as it relates to them coming to our country and all the problems they caused with terrorism and Sharia law. The deciding factor for me to hold such a strong position is when I discovered that their teachings, Sharia law, teaches you to lie to advance the religion. Is that true?
Ed Vitagliano: Taqiyah.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah, It's a doctrine called taqiyyah. in this McKinney, Texas City Council hearing you just had last week, you had, a gentleman who testified, and he described himself as a survivor of sharia law from Iran. His name was Eddie Issa. And he pointed that out. He said that Islam teaches the doctrine of the kia, that when Islam is of a smaller influence, that you can lie in order to advance Islam. So you can say, for example, oh, I no longer believe sharia law is what I will adhere to until I meet my creator. While behind your back, your fingers are. Are crossed.
Tim Wildmon: So lion's okay with Allah according to
Abraham Hamilton III: the Takia doctrine because you deny Allah? because.
Ed Vitagliano: No, not to deny.
Abraham Hamilton III: Not to deny Allah to advance Islam.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
Abraham Hamilton III: So you can. You can.
Ed Vitagliano: You can consider my friend. You're my friend, Tim. I would never hurt you.
Tim Wildmon: Right.
Abraham Hamilton III: Our beliefs are clearly compatible with u. S. Constitutional right.
Wesley Wildmon: They're not denying Allah. They're saying, no, we can. We can make this work.
Abraham Hamilton III: We stand with the DSA and the rights of our LGBTQ comrades.
Tim Wildmon: Well, that's denying the laws, of the. Of the Quran. And that's. So I guess.
Ed Vitagliano: How do you know it's.
Abraham Hamilton III: Well, they would say they're complying with the laws of Quran in the. In the effort to advance LGBTQ actions
Tim Wildmon: are incompatible with the Quran.
Abraham Hamilton III: Now, notice they're not practicing them. They're saying they're standing with their LGBTQ
Ed Vitagliano: comrades, with the sinners in order. In order to get political, to get power in America.
Wesley Wildmon: You don't look past the part where they is. They're crossing their fingers behind the back.
Abraham Hamilton III: Yeah. And this is. These are the kind of things that
Tim Wildmon: are the applications person and I. I believe the best about everybody. That's what my mama taught me.
Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I'll help you with that. I'm messing with you. All right. it's a father son thing.
Tim Wildmon: We're good. Yeah.
Wesley Wildmon: Nobody to wants worry.
Fred Jackson: You two need your own program.
Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Okay, we're going to take a short break right here
Tim Wildmon: Okay, we're going to take a short break right here. It's probably a good thing. We're going to regroup.
Wesley Wildmon: We're going to.
Tim Wildmon: We're going to huddle up, and I'm going to call a play. And you're going to do it. Okay. You're going to run the route that I say. All right. We'll be back in a minute. Stay with us.
Ben Shapiro: It.
Tim Wildmon and his panel delve into a range of pressing topics, including the current political landscape, the influence of Islam in the United States, and the ongoing divisions within the Democratic Party. With humor and insight, they discuss the implications of recent primaries and the challenges posed by the rise of far-left ideologies. The conversation also touches on the importance of honest discourse about political figures, including President Trump, and the necessity of addressing issues of faith and governance in a rapidly changing world.
(00:00) Welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family radio network
(02:07) Tim Ferriss: It still bothers me to sit on the left
(04:32) Fred: We don't get near the response that we used to when Tim
(08:00) Far right program says Democrat Party is almost split between far left and traditionalists
(12:43) One of the themes of the Democrat Socialists of America is anti Israel
(18:10) Yarl King: Leftists use human rights as weapon against Western civilization
(23:06) Far left wackadoodles are infiltrating the traditional Democratic party
(24:21) 80% of abortion vulnerable women choose life after seeing baby on ultrasound
(26:12) Abe Hamilton: I've had some problems with my air conditioner
(29:58) The surge protector protects the air conditioner when the power flickers
(31:33) Is there rise in the influence of Islam in the United States
(32:29) Abe Rogers: Democrat Abdul El Sayed won Michigan Senate primary
(37:04) Sharia law is in direct conflict with the United States Constitution, Western values
(39:40) David Frum: I support the Muslim ban. I think you should
(44:44) Tim Carney: I'm not worried about American young people converting to Islam
(49:29) Okay, we're going to take a short break right here
Tim Wildmon and his panel delve into a range of pressing topics, including the current political landscape, the influence of Islam in the United States, and the ongoing divisions within the Democratic Party. With humor and insight, they discuss the implications of recent primaries and the challenges posed by the rise of far-left ideologies. The conversation also touches on the importance of honest discourse about political figures, including President Trump, and the necessity of addressing issues of faith and governance in a rapidly changing world.
(00:00) Welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family radio network
(02:07) Tim Ferriss: It still bothers me to sit on the left
(04:32) Fred: We don't get near the response that we used to when Tim
(08:00) Far right program says Democrat Party is almost split between far left and traditionalists
(12:43) One of the themes of the Democrat Socialists of America is anti Israel
(18:10) Yarl King: Leftists use human rights as weapon against Western civilization
(23:06) Far left wackadoodles are infiltrating the traditional Democratic party
(24:21) 80% of abortion vulnerable women choose life after seeing baby on ultrasound
(26:12) Abe Hamilton: I've had some problems with my air conditioner
(29:58) The surge protector protects the air conditioner when the power flickers
(31:33) Is there rise in the influence of Islam in the United States
(32:29) Abe Rogers: Democrat Abdul El Sayed won Michigan Senate primary
(37:04) Sharia law is in direct conflict with the United States Constitution, Western values
(39:40) David Frum: I support the Muslim ban. I think you should
(44:44) Tim Carney: I'm not worried about American young people converting to Islam
(49:29) Okay, we're going to take a short break right here
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