Today's Issues continues on AFR with Steve Paisley Jordah

Jeff Chamblee Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

Tim Wildmon Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on American Family Radio. Tim, Ed, Wesley. And now, Steve Paisley Jordah. Good morning, Steve.

Steve Jordahl Hey, everybody.

Tim Wildmon Hey, Steve.

Steve Jordahl Yes, sir.

Tim Wildmon Wesley, Ed and I. And I think I speak for all three of us. We don't want to talk about Iran.

Steve Jordahl Your what?

Tim Wildmon I said we don't want to talk about Iran no more.

Steve Jordahl What's that? What's Iran?

Tim Wildmon That's what we want to hear.

Wesley Wildmon Let's get him started.

Steve Jordahl I don't know what that means.

Wesley Wildmon That could be counterproductive. He may start explaining it to you.

Tim Wildmon I think that was a song from the 80s, wasn't it? I Ran so Far Away or something. Remember that?

Steve Jordahl Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tim Wildmon I know you don't remember. You were. You and me were. But I just remember that was a pop song from the 70s or 80s, I should say. all right. You're listening to Today's Issues on afr. If we're not going to talk about

Ed Vitagliano Iran, which we're not.

Tim Wildmon Which we're not.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon We've all agreed this half hour. Steve, the floor is yours.

Steve Jordahl Well, thank you. I think what we're going to talk about is the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Tim Wildmon Oh, yeah.

Steve Jordahl So yesterday, when, when Congress calls hearings, and, the Southern Property Law center is up at Capitol Hill yesterday and today, and they're talking about the allegations that they are paying these hate groups that they list on their map. They're paying some of them continue the hate because the demand for racism and hate far outpaces the supply. So they need to foment this business. Right? They need. Right.

Brandon Gill accuses pro lifers of being white supremacists over abortion

Well, so yesterday, the president, Brian Fair was in the Senate. Today he's in the House. And I want you to hear this interaction between Texas Congressman Brian, Gill. He is an upcoming superstar young kid. And listen to him talk to Brian Fair, and ask him a question. This is about, ah, abortion. Now, he doesn't raise his voice. He is as calm and cool and collected as the other side of the pillow. But he puts Brian Fair into such a, bind that the Democrats on the panel have to come to his rescue. Listen to cut 16.

Pastor Jeff Schreve Your organization said, that restricting and banning abortion is a tool of the far. That the far right uses to maintain white supremacy. do you believe that pro lifers are white supremacists?

Speaker G I believe that reproductive, liberty is.

Pastor Jeff Schreve No. Do you believe that pro lifers are white supremacists?

Speaker G I will tell you what I believe.

Steve Jordahl If you're asking yes or no.

Speaker G I can't answer that question. Yes or no.

Pastor Jeff Schreve I don't think that pro lifers are white supremacists, do you?

Speaker G what I think is that reproductive, liberty is a right that every woman should enjoy.

Pastor Jeff Schreve How many babies in the United States that are aborted are black? About 40% of abortions nationwide are of black babies. Blacks represent about 13% of the population. Does that sound like something a white supremacist would oppose?

Speaker G what I would say again is that, SPLC supports reproductive.

Pastor Jeff Schreve Calling somebody a white supremacist is a pretty serious charge, isn't it? I mean, I would think you would be able to defend that if your organization says that. You clearly seem unable to.

Speaker G Mr. Gill, I'm not sure why you would think I'm able to do anything.

Pastor Jeff Schreve You're the president of the splc, which labels pro lifers as racists. Well, does your organization just hurl around epithets like that without any justification?

Speaker G Mr. Gill, what we do is.

Pastor Jeff Schreve I'm giving you the opportunity to.

Jeff Chamblee Mr. Chairman, what's he referring to? And can he let, the witness answer the question? This is outrageous.

Steve Jordahl No, it's not the time.

Jeff Chamblee Allow him to speak.

Pastor Jeff Schreve I know you don't.

Jeff Chamblee What are you referring to?

Pastor Jeff Schreve I know you don't like my question.

Jeff Chamblee What are you referring to?

Steve Jordahl Time belongs to the gentleman from Texas. Yeah, by the way, he wasn't stopping him from answering. I just didn't.

Tim Wildmon He couldn't answer.

Ed Vitagliano That was brilliant. That was brilliant.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, they need. They need to find a new spokesperson. Maybe that guy do better in the mail room. Or maybe even a, pr, you know, answering people, donors questions. But he doesn't need to be there.

Steve Jordahl Well, I'm thinking anybody that runs up against Brendan Gill might, find themselves better in the mail.

Tim Wildmon No, the reason he was, couldn't answer the questions because it's unanswerable. because if he does answer the question, he's going to disagree with his own, organization, which he's there to defend. So it's unanswerable and it's an indefensible

Ed Vitagliano charge for the SPLC to make. Yes, and he points that out by saying that a, white supremacist would want black babies aborted.

Tim Wildmon Right.

Ed Vitagliano But whites. But pro life people want all babies saved, so therefore they can't be white supremacists. It was brilliant.

Tim Wildmon And, the fellow was trying to work through, in his mind a proper. How do I answer this without disagreeing with my own self.

Ed Vitagliano Right.

Tim Wildmon And he couldn't come up with, a good answer in time.

Ed Vitagliano That's what's called being on the horns of a dilemma.

Tim Wildmon Yeah. On the horns of one.

Ed Vitagliano Yes.

Tim Wildmon Two horns.

Ed Vitagliano That's. That's right.

Tim Wildmon Horns.

Ed Vitagliano Either way you go, you're getting gored.

Tim Wildmon Anyway, listen, what was congressman's name? Who?

Steve Jordahl Brandon Gill.

Tim Wildmon Well, he's,

Ed Vitagliano He's only 32 years old, and he is.

Steve Jordahl He's the. He's on the bench. He's a rising superstar.

Tim Wildmon I think he's younger than Wesley.

Wesley Wildmon Is that right, Brandon?

Tim Wildmon 32 years old?

Ed Vitagliano Oh, yeah, sure is.

Wesley Wildmon Sure is.

Tim Wildmon What are you doing with your life?

Wesley Wildmon Well, you know, since. Yes.

Tim Wildmon Coaching baseball. Coaching baseball. And this guy's a congressman.

Wesley, your dad just put you on the horns of a dilemma

Does that make you feel good about yourself?

Ed Vitagliano You're doing God's will. That's what you're doing.

Steve Jordahl Wesley, your dad just put you on the horns of a dilemma. I don't.

Wesley Wildmon I want to get back to the horn on.

Tim Wildmon All right, hold on just a minute. I don't want anybody emailing me and calling me and say, Tim, is hurting, degrading his son's, life. And I'm. I was only. I was only kidding around. I was only joking you.

Wesley Wildmon But if you want to email him, here's his email.

Tim Wildmon I know you don't give me my email. I would just say everybody should grow where God plants you.

Wesley Wildmon right.

Ed Vitagliano You, like bloom where you're planted.

Tim Wildmon That's what I was gonna say.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon Balloon.

Ed Vitagliano Not balloon. That's what happens if you go to the buffet too often talking about bloom.

Tim Wildmon This an issue of weight. We can just pick with the facts. Okay.

Ed Vitagliano I think all people are beautiful no matter what they want, in their own way.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah.

Tim Wildmon All right, Wesley, go ahead. The floor is yours.

Wesley Wildmon I want to.

The horns of the dilemma comes from ancient logic and rhetoric rather than bull fighting

I want to get back to the horn thing with the tip of the horn.

Tim Wildmon No, it's the horn.

Wesley Wildmon I've heard the word. Obviously, I hate dilemma, but why would you add anything to just. Hey, it's a dilemma.

Tim Wildmon What is the origin of horn?

Steve Jordahl Of a dilemma? I'm asking.

Tim Wildmon It's a baby boomer expression.

Ed Vitagliano I think it's because horn getting gored by a bull, for example, is painful. Which one are you going to get gored by? So the dilemma is, no matter which answer you give, it's gonna hurt.

Wesley Wildmon How about me help y' all out? We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Could we just do that one?

Tim Wildmon yeah, but there's. Yeah. How about pick your Poison on this. Go ahead.

Steve Jordahl I have an answer from Chad GPT.

Tim Wildmon Bring it, Steve.

Steve Jordahl Horns of the dilemma comes from the ancient logic and rhetoric rather than from farming or bull fighting. The dilemma comes, from the Greek word that's dilemma. The media, with scholars called this a horned argument. The two alternatives were imagined as the two horns of a bull. Whichever horn you grabbed, you're in trouble.

Tim Wildmon Right there. See?

Ed Vitagliano It's what I said.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, that's what he said.

Ed Vitagliano And you didn't have to ask Chad GPT. You could have just asked me. I'm smarter. Or as smart. We're going to use it as AI.

Tim Wildmon edgpc.

Steve Jordahl Edgpt. That's what we're going to call it.

Tim Wildmon Whatever. Which was a good automobile, by the way, back in the day.

Ed Vitagliano GPT.

Tim Wildmon Did you. A lot of kids had those back in the day.

Ed Vitagliano I think we need to get back on track.

Tim Wildmon I think we need to get back on track. You're listening to today's issues. We're getting back on track. anyway, you get the idea now, Wesley. The horns of a dilemma.

Steve Jordahl Now.

Wesley Wildmon I get it.

Tim Wildmon Okay. All right, so, Wesley, Eddie, Tim, and now Steve. Steve, back to you.

Southern Baptists are meeting in Orlando, Florida for their annual meeting

Steve Jordahl All right. Southern Baptists are meeting in Orlando, Florida for their annual meeting. This is, where they basically, it's the only time the denomination is actually in. these are independent churches. But for these two days, the SPC is doing, their, They send messengers, what they call messengers, to Orlando, and, they will vote on different, resolutions and do. Do SBC business. Well, they elected a new president. His name is Willie Rice. He is the pastor of Calvary Church in Clearwater, Florida. And, he called me about, 45 minutes ago, about an hour ago now, he called. And, so I had a chance to talk to him, and I wanted to share a little bit of, what he had to say. I asked him what the state of the spc, how he feels it's going, and this is what he had to say. Cut 15.

Willie Rice There have been some stresses in the last decade in SBC life that have created both the appearance and, in some cases, the reality that there were some things that weren't as, grounded as they needed to be. There were concerns messengers had, and I think over the last couple of years that they've sent the message that, you know, the Southern Baptist Convention is not, eroding. we're not equivocating. we are, we're enduring, we're standing. We want to be a people who are Rooted in our conviction and our mission and our message.

Tim Wildmon That's who.

Steve Jordahl That's Willie Rice, the new president of the Southern Baptist Convention.

Tim Wildmon So new. Just elected yesterday. Okay. actually, yeah, the Southern Baptist Convention. they meet annually. They do as a denomination. you're right. They are independent churches, but they're still a denomination.

Steve Jordahl They are voluntary, Cooper. They are denomination, but they voluntarily cooperate. In other words, the Methodist denomination owns the Methodist church buildings and they set pastors will. Almost every other denomination will assign pastors to churches. This is a voluntary cooperation. Either side can terminate the membership at any time.

Tim Wildmon but they meet annually is what I'm saying. is the presidency, do you know, it lasts one or two years or is it annual?

Steve Jordahl It lasts one year, but it's kind of an accepted two year term. In other words, they'll vote again and nobody will run against Willie Rice the second.

Tim Wildmon unless something huge happens. Anyway, so they So he is. Is he considered a, what is he. You know how. He's right. The Southern Baptists have had their differences within themselves over theology and. Well, theology, some sexual and leadership and yeah, other things are, they. Is that all calmed down? Pretty much, yeah.

Steve Jordahl And that was. Yeah, he's considered a conservative. conservative and liberal are not the same. I mean there's no liberal. There's not even close to liberal like who we think of a liberal and like Democrat liberal. But he mean in the Southern Baptist. In the Southern Baptist, these are all conservatives. They're all Bible believing pastors. Everybody that's on the tickets and everything, very conservative. But he is m. More theologically conservative. I had a chance to talk to him about. He said, the splc, the erlc, which is the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. He said, he admitted had not been serving the denomination well over the last years. They've resolved that. They now have that in line. the sex scandal that the Houston Chronicle ginned up. Going to say this because there are. Sex abuse is terrible and it is a problem. And it happens in Southern Baptist churches, but it doesn't happen in Southern Baptist churches any more frequently than it happens in schools or every other way. And it is nowhere near what the Catholic Church went through where they were moving around priests. and so I will say that the sex abuse scandal was weaponized and used against the Southern Baptist Church. They've gone through that. They put some things in place, maybe needed changes in place, but they're past that. So now they are going on it's a new day at the sbc and things are looking up.

Tim Wildmon That's real nice, Clark.

Ed Vitagliano I would say my only comment is, my wife and I have made some serious steps, towards eating healthier. And Willy Rice is a lot better for you than just plain white rice. It's more fiber content.

Tim Wildmon So I. I don't know. I try to keep this show serious.

Wesley Wildmon He had a very positive good thing, guys. and y' all just mean just.

Tim Wildmon He did. He did.

Ed Vitagliano No, it was. Let me just say this.

Wesley Wildmon I got you.

Tim Wildmon He brought it.

Steve Jordahl That.

Ed Vitagliano A lot of the. There were some inroads. I think Willie Rice has said this in some of the interviews he's done that, m. In the wake of the George Floyd fiasco, in 2020, there were some attempts. Woke attempts to move the SPC towards a more quote, unquote, progressive kind of direction. But as Steve pointed out, the conservatives seem to have rebounded.

Florida sheriff gives alligator prize to deputy who almost got eaten by alligator

Tim Wildmon all right, so next door, Steve.

Steve Jordahl All right. Clearwater, Florida. Yes.

Tim Wildmon Well, that's just where the pastor was from. You just mentioned.

Steve Jordahl Oh, no, that's right. this is in St. Charles Parish, Florida.

Tim Wildmon I'm sorry, where is that? Do you know?

Steve Jordahl I. It's in.

Tim Wildmon People. You're going to want to listen to this story, even if you didn't.

Ed Vitagliano As opposed to what they.

Tim Wildmon Well, even if you've been bored the last five or 10 minutes with what we've talked about.

Steve Jordahl You know what? I'm going to take this back into Louisiana.

Ed Vitagliano it is Louisiana.

Steve Jordahl It's in Louisiana.

Tim Wildmon That's my bad. I told you was in Florida. My bad, Noel.

Steve Jordahl I was also taking.

Tim Wildmon Listen. Listen up, people. Listen to this.

Steve Jordahl All right, Sheriff. Great. Champagne in what now?

Tim Wildmon Drinking champagne.

Steve Jordahl Sheriff Greg Champagne.

Tim Wildmon Oh, okay.

Steve Jordahl Has awarded a prize to one of his deputies who happens to be an alligator.

Tim Wildmon Where's this fellow, the sheriff of.

Steve Jordahl He's sheriff, in Saint. Charles Parish. So there's a gentleman named Victor Rivas who was driving impaired and ran into a bridge and got his car messed up so that he couldn't drive it. The police were chasing him. So instead of just giving up, he jumped off of a little bridge into a swamp, started, running away, and got attacked by an alligator. And so the rest, the deputies had to rescue him from that, at which point they arrested him. So the sheriff has this funny.

Tim Wildmon Ed. Yeah, you're about to laugh. This man almost got ate up by an alligator. You think it's funny?

Steve Jordahl He's fine.

Ed Vitagliano Well, he's fine.

Tim Wildmon Okay.

Ed Vitagliano But, And he's got. Steve's going to tell the rest of the story. But as folks are listening, I want you to consider doing what I'm going to do, okay? Which is the next time my wife and I babysit, I'm going to use this, to. To. As a. Let that be a lesson to you, to my grandchildren.

Tim Wildmon Okay?

Wesley Wildmon Don't run from the cops.

Ed Vitagliano You don't run from the cops.

Tim Wildmon Okay?

Wesley Wildmon Don't worry about not getting confronted by the cops. That's okay. Just don't run from them.

Ed Vitagliano You'll be out of the cruiser into the.

Tim Wildmon Especially if you're in Louisiana. Jaws of an alligator run through a swamp. So tell us the jail cells more appealing.

Steve Jordahl There is a picture. I'll, give this to Brent to put up on our page. There's a picture of the sheriff giving this alligator, who is decked out in a sheriff's deputy outfit, obviously, AI, but he's giving him a reward and he, The sheriff is. His statement says the alligator was not injured and has since returned to its regular patrol of the swamp.

Tim Wildmon That's hilarious.

Ed Vitagliano Oh, is it funny? It is funny, isn't it?

Tim Wildmon Well, what the sheriff did, I, don't think the man almost being eaten by an alligator is funny.

Ed Vitagliano If he had been eaten or even lost, I would not have laughed.

Steve Jordahl He was not seriously injured.

Ed Vitagliano It's almost like a biblical thing is what I'm talking about.

Tim Wildmon I agree. I agree.

Ed Vitagliano The Bible does say that, during the day of the Lord, that people will fall into a pit. And when they climb out of a pit, a bear will grab them or they'll lean their hand on a. On a building and a snake will bite.

Tim Wildmon In the Bible, it's in there. Okay. I'll tell you, since you've asked, it's in there somewhere. If it ain't, it ought to be.

Ed Vitagliano I'm gonna find it. Now that you've questioned. All right, go ahead with the only.

Man in Louisiana trying to escape from cops with alligator gets caught

Wesley Wildmon Would have been more fitting, though, if this would have taken place in what y' all thought had been the state, which would. Florida.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, in Florida, too. But this. They're in Louisiana. So to. To recap, a man in Louisiana was trying to, Let's see his car.

Steve Jordahl He's driving drunk and. Drunk.

Tim Wildmon He was driving drunk, so, That's terrible. And while impaired, say he tried to escape across the swamp because he didn't want the cops to catch him. He was running from the cops.

Steve Jordahl He was.

Tim Wildmon And they jumped in the swamp. An alligator got him. And that's when the, sheriff's deputies caught up with him, right?

Steve Jordahl That's correct.

Tim Wildmon So, Eda.

Ed Vitagliano And since I was questioned, I would like an opportunity to respond.

Tim Wildmon Please do.

Ed Vitagliano Amos. 5:19. When God comes, it will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear. As though he entered his house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him.

Tim Wildmon What does that mean?

Ed Vitagliano It means that you cannot escape God's judgment.

Steve Jordahl Right.

Ed Vitagliano Even if you run. Even if you get away from one punishment.

Tim Wildmon You can run, but you can't hide.

Ed Vitagliano That's. That is.

Tim Wildmon Wesley, What I did

Steve Jordahl is that.

Wesley Wildmon Idiom.

Ed Vitagliano Idiom.

Wesley Wildmon Idiom.

Tim Wildmon Idiom. Or an alligator. One of them.

Wesley Wildmon This guy was an idiot.

Tim Wildmon Yeah, he was an idiot. Anyway, he's. He. He's, He went to jail. he was driving drunk. That was his first big mistake. And then. But the. And the alligator. The sheriff, said the alligator was not injured, as Steve said, and returned to his patrol of the swamp. But the funny thing that got my attention was of this was the sheriff's department put a picture up of the, sheriff, giving an award, Deputy of the Year, to the alligator in the uniform. And the alligator has the sheriff's deputy's uniform on. Can you put that on our Today's Issues Facebook page?

Ed Vitagliano Now, now, folks should understand that we're having a little fun with this.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano So please give this guy's name, this, guy who got. Did some alligator wrestling.

Steve Jordahl His name is Victor Rivas, 40 years old.

Ed Vitagliano And Hector, pray for him because God spared his life.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Ed Vitagliano He needs to reconsider his ways to give his heart to Jesus.

Steve Jordahl He's being held on a $17,000, bond.

Ed Vitagliano So if any of you feel led.

Tim Wildmon He'd rather be. Rather be held by a bond than an alligator mouth right now. Am I right about that?

Ed Vitagliano you're right.

Tim Wildmon Amen.

Ed Vitagliano You're right. You're right.

Tim Wildmon All right, five minutes left. Steve, what do you got?

British Coast Guard rescues Alsatian from kayak three miles out

Steve Jordahl All right. hey, Bruce the Alsatian, dog is fine. I know you were worried about him. So Bruce the Alsatian, and his own.

Tim Wildmon Is that a kind of dog, a breed of dog?

Steve Jordahl As a kind of.

Tim Wildmon So we got a dog to establish the facts of the story, right now we got a dog named Bruce who's an Alsatian.

Steve Jordahl Alsatian.

Pastor Jeff Schreve Okay.

Steve Jordahl And he and his owner were, near the Farne Islands in England. And, they were playing in the. In the ocean. And the owner, which I don't think we have his name, the owner's name, but the Owner put Bruce on a little inflatable, kayak and was. They were playing around, and the kayak got away from the owner and went, out to sea. In fact, three miles out, the dog was.

Tim Wildmon Wow.

Steve Jordahl The dog was trapped on this kayak three miles out the ocean. And so they called the, Coast Guard, whatever the British version of the Coast Guard is, and they went out and they found the dog and they rescued the dog.

Tim Wildmon Amen.

Steve Jordahl The dog will be okay.

Tim Wildmon Bruce. Bruce, the dog jumped off of the

Steve Jordahl kayak and tried to. He was a little scared, a little freaked out. So he tried, but they. They grabbed him by the scruff of the neck, dropped him onto the boat, and he's gonna be.

Tim Wildmon I never heard of a dog named Bruce, have y'? All?

Ed Vitagliano Well, just don't let me down. That's all I'm gonna say.

Steve Jordahl Just don't let me down. Bruce, you had to play Beatles song in my head.

Tim Wildmon No, D. O in that even.

Steve Jordahl Oh, it is.

Tim Wildmon It only sounds like Bruce.

Ed Vitagliano It's not really br. By the way, I didn't know this. An Alsatian is the British word for German shepherd. Really? Yeah, the German shepherd, also known in Britain as an Alsatian.

Steve Jordahl I guess that's because, of course, they wouldn't want to.

Tim Wildmon Germany.

Ed Vitagliano I got to go buy a German shepherd.

Tim Wildmon Imagine watching your pet float out to sea.

Ed Vitagliano Oh.

Tim Wildmon you know, and at least it was on a, kayak. A kayak. Because otherwise it would have drowned. Probably.

Steve Jordahl Yeah.

Tim Wildmon But three miles out into the sea must have been one of those. What do you call them when.

Steve Jordahl The inflatable, kayak.

Tim Wildmon The undertows, rip kite. Rip tides and everything like that. So if, you're.

Steve Jordahl If you're.

Ed Vitagliano If you love your dog enough to take him. Hm. Along with you when you go into the water, then you don't. You'd be terrified to see him floating.

Tim Wildmon Right. But. But the good news is a happy ending to this story. The, what. What amounts to the British Coast Guard three miles out into the ocean and retrieved this dog who was in the kayak.

Steve Jordahl They did indeed.

Wesley Wildmon A long ways reunited. Three miles.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

Tim Wildmon The kayak floated three miles out into the ocean. I guess the ocean.

Ed Vitagliano So I know dogs well enough that next time this guy goes, hey, hey, come on. Come on, Bruce, we're going.

Tim Wildmon Go get him. Go get him.

Ed Vitagliano Boy. Going to be going, not me.

Tim Wildmon I'm not going out in that water.

Ed Vitagliano You remember the last time?

Tim Wildmon Right, Right, right.

Ed Vitagliano You lost me.

Tim Wildmon Right. So it sounds like to me they were they were both in the kayak.

Ed Vitagliano Maybe at one time he was swimming next to it.

Steve Jordahl Yeah, he put up on the kayak and he was guiding the kayak in the waves. He got away from him.

Tim Wildmon I gotcha.

Wesley Wildmon But we've seen the movies with the dog that talks.

Tim Wildmon Yeah.

Wesley Wildmon This will be a good movie where the dog. Where you can hear what the dog's thinking.

Tim Wildmon Right.

Ed Vitagliano You guys ever seen the movie Max? Yeah, it's about a military like.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah, I've seen that.

Ed Vitagliano Yeah.

That's a good movie. Yeah, good dog movie. Uh, that's based on a true story

That's a good movie.

Tim Wildmon That's a good dog movie.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah, good dog movie. that's based on a true story.

Ed Vitagliano I think, I think you're. I think you're right.

Wesley Wildmon Yeah.

All right. Uh, thank everybody for listening to the show today

Tim Wildmon All right. thank everybody for listening to the show today. Today's issues. The name of this program and you can get it on podcast if you want to at our website. We, we post the podcast every [email protected] afr.net My thanks to Ed and Wesley. Steve, Brent, our producer. Cole, our video man, and Fred, our Canadian.

Steve Jordahl And ah, Jenna.

Ed Vitagliano Yes, you don't forget Jenna.

Tim Wildmon And Jenna, you interrupt her. Jenna, our, American lawyer. We'll be back tomorrow.