Today's Issues features Steve Paisley on American Family Radio Network
>> Ed Vitagliano: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your
>> Steve Jordahl: host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. That's the show you're listening to right here on AFR. Ah, on this Monday, May 11, 2026. I'm Tim with Ed. And now Steve Paisley. Jordan joined us. Good morning, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: how you doing, Steve?
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm well, I'm well, I had a good Mother's Day. I took my mother in law and my wife out to lunch or dinner at a brand new Italian restaurant in Columbus, Mississippi.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Nice.
>> Steve Jordahl: I gotta tell you, it was great.
>> Tim Wildmon: You have Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: I had shrimp. shrimp. Ah, ditch shrimp.
>> Tim Wildmon: scampi.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, it was a ravioli type dish.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, shrimp ravioli.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: They packed shrimp and ravioli. Well, I know they do lobster.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, it's pieces of shrimp. And then there was. And I'm trying to remember the name of the pop.
>> Tim Wildmon: With the ravioli. Separate. Okay, I got you. But delicious.
>> Steve Jordahl: So good.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's hard to, it's hard to ruin Italian food. Well, I'm saying if it's, if it's cooked the way it's supposed to be cooked.
>> Steve Jordahl: If you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Good point.
>> Steve Jordahl: A lot of Italians, you tell you that you can just buy like, if you like a can of spaghetti, sauce off the shelf. Ruins Italian food by itself without, if it's not homemade. Well, a lot of, lot of snobs. A lot of food snobs in the Italian.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, no, that, that's probably true about any kind of, you know, French cuisine and, and things like that. You, you do it from scratch. I, I buy. When I make my sauce. I do buy, cans of tomato puree. Hunts.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Or not so much tomato sauce, but the puree and the puree and the, tomato paste and start with that. But a lot of pastas, you start with, the tomatoes and you crush those and you take the skin off and, and that. And that is very nice. But you have to get really good tomatoes to pull that off.
>> Steve Jordahl: Ah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: and they got to be fresh and they can't be store bought. And the tomato sauce is good enough. I'm not cooking for a restaurant, so I know nobody cared about that, but I just thought.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, Tim did you know he was going to be a chef?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Tim wasn't even listening.
>> Tim Wildmon: I was going to be a chef.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: He decided and I had, No, this.
>> Ed Vitagliano: When your tech job fell through, your
>> Tim Wildmon: tech career back, some back issues and, I was going to be a world class chef though. I was headed that direction.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: I was being recruited.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Were you? They recruit chefs? Is that how they go about that?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. NewSong York and NewSong Orleans, Los Angeles.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Seriously. When I was going to Boston College, my, roommate, I was in a, ah, three bedroom apartment on campus and six, guys, three bedrooms. So my roommate, roommate, the guy I was in the room with, he, part time and during the summer was a chef at a restaurant.
>> Tim Wildmon: You can make a lot of money doing that if you're good at it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: In the Boston area, he made a killing. In fact, he went on into finance, and did, very well there. But he, now, now that he's retired, he visits, famous restaurants and writes reviews.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, really?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. This is a job.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, what a job.
>> Ed Vitagliano: but he, he was, he was, ah, an amazing chef, I think so Even in college.
>> Steve Jordahl: So much of what comes out of the kitchen depends on the quality of ingredients you put in. In other words. Absolutely. The fresh tomatoes make a big difference over.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, and your attitude.
>> Steve Jordahl: And yet I think that makes a big difference.
>> Ed Vitagliano: My understanding is chefs don't have a good attitude.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, is that right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, what's your first story, Steve?
If Trump can get gasoline under control, Republicans could win historic election
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, I know you guys played the, ad. Aoc. The aoc, bite, where she said that the American Revolution was, fought, over billionaires. Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: She was wrong.
>> Steve Jordahl: She was. And, see the Democrats continuing to, throw these kind of candidates out. And Newt Gingrich has a theory. Newt Gingrich, speaker of the House. Former speaker of the House, has a theory, and I would like you to hear his theory. Cut nine.
>> Speaker D: If Trump can get gasoline under control, the Republicans will have a historic victory this fall of huge proportions. Not just, not just because of the maps, but because the Democrats. We saw AOC earlier. I mean, Democrats are now crazy, right? and so this is a race between weak woke and crazy Democrats. And the Republicans, even though the Republicans may not be perfect, they're not nuts. And so I think you could see this fall, both in the House and Senate, a truly historic election.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that would be historic because, under normal circumstances, the, the House and the. Excuse me, the party in power loses.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Loses seats.
>> Steve Jordahl: It does. That's, that's been the.
>> Tim Wildmon: Loses seats. A lot of them. and that. So the party in power in the White House, I'm talking about in this case the Republicans, because President Trump's a Republican. So, but we'll see what happens. New gamers. The caveat he did put on that was, gas prices coming down. so I don't know. I know where we live, and it's the same. We're where we live here in northeast Mississippi. It's, $4.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: So I think. But. But maybe we're on the low side.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I think we are on the low side.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But it's gone up. I filled up yesterday and it was 399. It was actually three, nine, nine, nine. I don't know why they do that.
>> Steve Jordahl: Four. Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Four bucks. That's. That's four dollars. But I think nationally we are probably under the national average, but it's still high for here. Listen, I've always liked Newt Gingrich. that was a very optimistic assessment. Now, I think he's exactly right. The Democratic Party has become the party of crazy. And. But it's not only gas prices need to come down. People need to see some relief, just in terms of grocery bills, etc. and I think that's a long shot, getting that. You always say, Tim, that what you don't want is for the voters perspective to kind of become, like, concrete. Where they say, this is. These are the good guys, politically, these are the bad guys. You can't just simply say, well, if by September prices come down, that'll turn the election. No, because people have probably already made up their minds by then.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. This is kind of arbitrary, but I put the date as Memorial Day, that, that the war in Iran needs to end. or. And listen, I'm not in. I'm not the,
>> Ed Vitagliano: Obviously, that's two weeks from today.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm not. Again, I'm just. I've been saying that for a few weeks.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, you have.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, again, this is just one person's opinion. Okay, but you mentioned, You mentioned what I had said before, that once you get a public, opinion decision fixed in the minds of the American people, then that can hold true even if the facts on the ground, change. So I'm saying that I think one way we need to get this war. If. If the war is not going to be over with by Memorial Day, it's going to stretch into the summer. Gas prices are going to go higher and people are going to get ticked. And who are they going to get ticked at? They're going to get ticked at Trump. Well, who's Trump? He's a Republican. Oh, so it's the Republicans. Right. Okay. So the Republicans are causing my gas to be $6 a gallon or $5 a gallon, which is causing me not to be able to take a vacation are causing me to, you know, not pay my bills. And so who do I blame? Well, I blame the party in power. Who's the party in power. So I'm not. I'm not saying that's fair, but I'm just saying that's how the American people have traditionally looked at the economy going into an election. So the big caveat that NewSong Gingrich put on everything he just said, which I don't know where he's getting that information from, in terms of is polling that he's citing, that he's saying the Republicans are going to have a historic win in the fall. But he did say get gas prices under control. Well, what does that mean?
Steve Dahl: It does sound like something's imminent with Iran
Is that bring them down to, stop the word going up further or bring them back. Bring them back down. Way the gas prices are going to come back down is the war ends. That's it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And even then, it'll take time.
>> Tim Wildmon: Then it'll take time. So I say Memorial Day after that, people are going to get locked bad. Does sound like something. It does sound like. Despite the fact that President Trump says one thing one day, and one day that and different thing the next, which is very frustrating on the war effort, it does sound like something's imminent. By imminent, I'm talking about in the next, certainly in the next week, we will either go full board at war with Iran, at which point I'm not sure do we need a declaration or do we. Or do we just say, you know, like we said, we're pulling out. We can't accomplish the goal of keeping them from developing a nuclear weapon, at least in this effort. In this particular effort. But that isn't what President Trump is sounding like. He's sounding like that we're fixing to. Fixing that. Would be about to. To interpret that for non Southern. For non Southerners, F I X I n G means or F I X I N apostrophe. Either one you want to use. that means about to. About to. Just, as President Trump said a few weeks ago, bomb a low hard sell. Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Ah, so.
>> Tim Wildmon: so that's what it sounds like to me. Does it sound like anything? What do you think about my analysis? There's no.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I think that's spot. I think those are the two choices.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The two, the two possible pathways forward is, that that behind the scenes, there are people in charge in Iran who are going to come, on board with what Trump wants, or the bomb our hearts out I think
>> Tim Wildmon: they don't have to our little hearts out.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Or, or we could just say there's probably three options. Okay. Or we could say we're just going home, we did the best we could, we bomb them some more. Or behind the scenes there's somebody who says all right, we'll make a deal for sure with the Trump administration.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Steve, back to you.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, well I'll just let that go.
Republican Spencer Pratt is running for mayor of Los Angeles against Democrat Karen Bass
one of the things that the reason that Newt was saying that we had a chance was his logic is that the Democrats keep sending up less than stellar candidates. And I wanted to play you an example. this is an ad, is it loaded? This is an ad that the union in la, this is the LA County Federation of Labor put out. And it's one of the Republican candidate for mayor of Los Angeles. His name is Spencer Pratt. And the LA County Federation of Labor put out an ad that's supposed to be bad for him. It's supposed to be an anti Pratt ad. But you tell me after listening to this whether or not this is an anti Pratt ad. M. I'm floored. Is this what now an anti Pratt. This is supposed to get Pratt, this is supposed to reflect poorly on Pratt.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Now who is he?
>> Steve Jordahl: He is the Republican, mayoral candidate for la. He wants to replace Karen Bass, Republican. And this is what, this is how the LA County Federation of Labor is going to convince people not to vote for him. Cut 15.
>> Speaker E: Republican Spencer Pratt is the last thing Los Angeles needs for mayor. Pratt opposes using taxpayer money to build brand new houses for our unhoused neighbors, saying it's time for the homeless to get help or get out. Pratt thinks LA needs thousands more police officers rather than more social workers. And Republican Spencer Pratt thinks public employee unions should have less power, not more. LA is on the right track and needs to stay the course. Vote no on Republican Spencer Pratt.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Is that for real?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes, that's for real.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's what he talk about.
>> Steve Jordahl: The best ad that Spencer Pratt could have possibly put out.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Now he is becoming nationally known, I don't maybe internationally known, not necessarily just because of him, but there are people outside his campaign that are creating some of the funniest AI generated ads I've ever seen. and and some of them are a little bit ugly at times so we're not going to play any of them but they go right to the heart of the, the machine that is the Democratic Party in California. But that ad you just played,
>> Steve Jordahl: that, that sounds like not to be. That's a legitimate ad from.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That sounds like a tongue in cheek ad in favor of the Democrats, when in reality, it does nothing but help Spencer Pratt.
>> Steve Jordahl: Which is why the headline and not the bee was titled, I was already going to vote for Spencer Pratt. This liberal ad need to convince me.
>> Ed Vitagliano: What is he polling at? any idea? Because now, he is, while you're looking that up, see an actor or something. Yeah, he's an American reality television personality. That's the way he's being described. he's been in, the Princes of Malibu, the hills. I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. Celebrity Big Brother. Okay, so he. But he's fed up with the way Los Angeles is being run. All the things that this quote unquote, union ad in favor of the Democrats is talking about.
>> Tim Wildmon: He.
>> Ed Vitagliano: He does not want homeless people, you know, living on the streets, needles on the sidewalks, all that. He wants crime, crackdown on crime. So I'm just. I'm curious as to how this message is playing. I've watched a couple of clips from one of the debates with Karen Bass and maybe a couple others who are in the mayoral race, and he does pretty well for himself.
>> Steve Jordahl: He's within striking distance. He's down according to three polls that I just brought up. he's down, by a significant, significant number. But, it's there. Everybody's. I mean, there's a lot of candidates still, so there's a lot of undecideds out there. But according to the La Luskin poll, he is pulling at 11%. Karen Bassett, 25%. the UC Berkeley, Louisiana. Times poll, Spencer Pratt at 14%. Bassett 25%. And an Emerson College poll, Spencer Pratt at 10 and Karen Bassett, 19.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, so this is going to come down to turnout.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yep.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Is, you know, who comes, goes out
>> Steve Jordahl: to vote, or more ads like that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: yeah. Which could influence turnout and whether other candidates who are to the left of Spencer Pratt divide up the Democratic vote to the point where he can squeak in. But then he's still not going to have a city council that's on his side. It's a tall order. Even if he wins.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. If a Republican wins a mayoral contest in Los Angeles, I'll take, you guys both out to lunch to your favorite Italian restaurant.
>> Steve Jordahl: We'll take it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I've heard these kinds of promises before, Tim. I'm just going to say none of them to me. None of them. Have come true.
If a Republican wins California, the gubernatorial race? That ain't happening
>> Steve Jordahl: Now, there are some Republican names in the governor's race that are still. I mean, they have a jungle primary in the governor. Could be that there's a governor candidate. on the Republican. On the.
>> Ed Vitagliano: What does Steve and I get if. If a Republican wins California, the gubernatorial race?
>> Tim Wildmon: That ain't happening either. Y' all can go on a dream if you want, but, go ahead. But I do promise the, Italian speak here before our listeners. So you can hold me accountable to this, I'll take you to you out to an Italian restaurant of your.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Of our choosing.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's recorded, Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, now you're choosing, but we can't get carried away on the entree price. Okay. Need to stay within the 25 range. All right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm part of the team, though, right? They can go to this dinner.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, if this all. If this all works out, Brent and
>> Tim Wildmon: the Republican wins the LA mayor's race
>> Ed Vitagliano: and Tim takes us out. I'll take you out with us.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Ah, I'll pay your way.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. All right. Yeah. You join.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Cole's coming.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wait a minute. Now we're getting carried away.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'll take care of Brent and Cole.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. All right. So plan on a bowl of spaghetti.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, listen, we're all making promises. We don't think it's going to happen.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. All right, next story. Steve.
Scott Conray: Scottish elections are a little bit confusing
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, you think our elections are messed up in Scotland? They just elected a non binary Indian who's on a three year student visa to a five year term in the Scottish Parliament.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, that sounds like a song from the 70s. You see, I went through the desert, on a non binary horse with no name.
>> Ed Vitagliano: With no name.
>> Tim Wildmon: Scotland.
>> Steve Jordahl: Something like that.
>> Tim Wildmon: What did you just say? Has a mouthful.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, I know. this is a non binary man.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. What does that mean?
>> Steve Jordahl: It means that he. He doesn't claim to be a man or a woman. He is.
>> Tim Wildmon: You just called him a man.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. You can't.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, I know he's a man.
>> Tim Wildmon: Non binary. Non binary individual.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. That. That simply means they do not declare themselves to be either male or female.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right. His name is binary. Is man of an M M A N I V A n nan.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. What do you do? Why we. Why are we talking about him on national radio?
>> Steve Jordahl: He's a transgender Indian immigrant who is here on a student visa in Scotland. On, a student visa for three years.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: And he was just elected to a five year term in Scotland's parliament.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. All right, then.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So I guess he'll get an Extension on his visa.
>> Steve Jordahl: He might have to or it send
>> Ed Vitagliano: his vote in from not trying to
>> Steve Jordahl: be India, wherever he came from.
>> Speaker D: Just.
>> Steve Jordahl: I mean, I'm just saying we're not the only people who say. Whose elections are a little bit confusing.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Scott, listen, there are a lot. These countries in the uk they're run by leftists.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, for the most part, I don't know what the average person thinks in Scotland. Scotland.
>> Steve Jordahl: Scotland. Scotland.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm Sean Conray.
>> Tim Wildmon: Been about 50 years. There's not going to be any more Scottish people. Well, in Scotland or Irish people in Ireland. They're going to be a minority. Yeah, well, because, the Muslims are taking over.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Let it go, junior.
>> Tim Wildmon: And they're having m. Muslims are having, you know, five kids each and the native Scotland or Ireland or Germans or whoever. They're not having any children. So you do the numbers on that. After about four or five more decades.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Indiana. Take my hand. I'm just going all Sean Connery.
>> Tim Wildmon: You are. What did you do that for?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Because Indiana Jones is Indiana. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is that where that came from?
>> Ed Vitagliano: He was Scottish, wasn't he?
>> Tim Wildmon: He. Yes, he was. Yes, you're right about that, Sean Connery.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But if I keep doing my Scotland accent, it eventually turns into Russian. My accent. My accent drifts.
>> Tim Wildmon: You have accent drift.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, accent drift. It can be painful. You and AOC and, listen, don't compare me to aoc even having fun, they call it.
>> Tim Wildmon: He were going to do aoc, we'd have to get some helium in here.
>> Ed Vitagliano: A lot of helium.
Tom Green is a survivor of stage four kidney cancer at 60 years old
>> Tim Wildmon: All right. You're listening to Today's issues. That's the name of the show with four and a half more minutes to go. I'm Tim with Ed. and Steve. You're listening to American Family Radio. What do you got up next, Steve?
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, the dream is not over for us, gentlemen.
>> Tim Wildmon: We can dream.
>> Steve Jordahl: We can dream and it can come true. Okay, I want to introduce you to Thom Greene, who is a survivor of stage four kidney canc.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Wow.
>> Steve Jordahl: And who is now a, walk on at McDaniel College in Maryland as a freshman football player at 60.
>> Tim Wildmon: What?
>> Steve Jordahl: 60 years old. Survivor.
>> Tim Wildmon: Why do you want to die playing football?
>> Steve Jordahl: I know, right?
>> Tim Wildmon: You just survived cancer.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's what you should let 18 year olds pop me in practice.
>> Tim Wildmon: How did grandpa die? Well, he decided to take on 18 year olds on a football field. I thought granddad was smart.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, the treatments affected.
>> Steve Jordahl: Anyway, he died at 48. Hitch left, right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Across the, huge catch in a Pass across the middle.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I guess we're supposed to admire that.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, he's a defensive lineman, so if he's catching a pass, that's.
>> Ed Vitagliano: He's a defensive lineman.
>> Steve Jordahl: He is a 60 year old cancer survivor who is, freshman walk on at McDaniel College in Maryland, believed to be the oldest player in the country.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, I do admire him. If he's in shape enough at 60, I'd, like to see a picture of this guy. I'm gonna look it up. if he's in shape enough to. To do a walk on As a freshman at. For college football.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's amazing.
>> Steve Jordahl: The guy might have it, you know. Now there's. You better put. Thom Greene is, an actor as well, so don't get the wrong. Thom Greene.
>> Ed Vitagliano: McDaniel.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thom Jones was a singer.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thom and Jerry were like actors.
>> Steve Jordahl: There's his picture.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, he's. He's in pretty decent shape, this guy.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, you looking?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I looked at his picture. That's him right there. He got a little bit of a. Of a jiggle around the middle, but he's got pretty good shoulders and everything.
>> Speaker D: Ah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: listen, I. I do admire the guy for. For doing that. And you've survived stage four kidney cancer.
>> Steve Jordahl: I'll ask Brent to see if he can find a picture and put it up on our Facebook page.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You can survive stage four kidney. The world is your oyster.
>> Steve Jordahl: There you go.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You go for it.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you and Steve will try out and make a college football team, I'll buy you Italian lunch and restaurant dinner. Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: you want to do that?
>> Tim Wildmon: Because I need pictures and video.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Because there'd be nobody left to take you up on your offer. I was going to take Ed out.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. But the game took him out.
>> Steve Jordahl: He's in traction at the hospital.
>> Ed Vitagliano: He's not going to be. In fact, he can't eat. He's got a feeding tube.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Because he. Watch this hit. Here's Ed. here's the linebacker.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, man. All right, about that.
>> Tim Wildmon: We are out of time. It's probably a good thing. thank you for listening. Thank you, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: My pleasure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thanks to Ed.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And Brent Creeley, our producer. Cole Greene, our video man.
Sam gives Fred Jackson an honorary Joel Osteen award
>> Ed Vitagliano: Video man.
>> Tim Wildmon: And Fred Jackson. And our Fred just delivered so much good news today. I just want to.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Mondays are bad enough.
>> Tim Wildmon: I just want to give him a honorary Joel Osteen award. Fred. Fred Jackson.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Joel Osteen Award.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Happy news for everybody. We'll be back tomorrow. See you then, Sam.
