>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for joining us. Steve Jordal is in the house now.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody. I am here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Good to see you, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Thank you. Good to be seen.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, Tim, Wesley, Ray, and now Steve. And, Ray, are you done traveling? Are you? for the.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, ironically, I'm gone the next two weeks up to NewSong York to teach Galatians and then teaching Galatians down here. But after that, Tim, I'm basically going to be home here in Florida, for the rest of the year.
>> Steve Jordahl: Got any college football games? You're going to be. Did. Do you. Did you, have you switched your sports allegiance now? Are you still an NFL Chiefs fan or are you now a college fan?
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, look, I've always.
>> Steve Jordahl: Tampa Bay Bucks fan.
>> Tim Wildmon: I will. What now?
>> Steve Jordahl: Tampa Bay Bucks?
>> Tim Wildmon: What, do they have a team?
>> Steve Jordahl: They might.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, look, look, I gotta love Patrick Mahomes. I'm interested to see his comeback and all of that, so. But it's college football, Tim, right? College football rules the world. Or should.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me, I'm big. I agree with you. Right. I'm more college than NFL. guy. College just has more pageantry and more at stake each and every week is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Way I look at it, this. This is a big week. Week one. All the teams are playing this week.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, this is. You're right. This is a big week. This is the first big weekend for the, for the college football team. So everybody's optimistic because everybody's undefeated right now.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. You know, except the few people who lost last weekend.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's true.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, a few of those. But.
>> Tim Wildmon: Were you going to say something?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I was going to distinguish between something that I just thought about over the last couple years with sports, that professional sports is first a, job before it's a sport. The professional athletes are getting paid to provide for their families and themselves. So it has a little bit. It's what you're describing, but I'm just connecting some dots there. Whereas college football up into the last two, three years was not, where you weren't getting paid for it. You were doing it out of the love for your team and your sport, your school, the fans and things like that. Now, there's still some of that there, which is why we still watch it like we do. but, and m. I think they're in the progress of realizing. They mean the NCAA and college sports have made some mistakes the last couple years, and they're trying to fix it. They're a little late to the game, but they're working on making some rule changes that will help provide our, back to what it was before that. However, there is a distinguishable difference between professional sports and college sports. And primarily, one is a job first and foremost, and the other one is more of a sport. Mm.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's kind of the lines are being blurred right now because they're paying them straight up. The, the athletes. All right, though, what's your first story there?
>> Steve Jordahl: we have been talking frequently, about the DSA and the battle within the Democrat Party between.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're really worried about them.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, so there seems to be a moderate wing of the Democrat Party and then this radical socialist DSA wing. I'm going to suggest you that maybe the moderates are not so moderate. one of them is. You said that James Talarico, he's being billed as the moderate in. In Texas. He's, running for Senate there, and he, he was talking with the Sierra Club, the other day, and this was recorded. And, I want you to hear his designs for capitalism. Listen to cut 17.
>> Tim Wildmon: Tell us about one of the committees
>> Steve Jordahl: you are on or hope to be on, and the most important actions that committee could take to fight for climate justice and mitigate the impacts of climate change for all Texans. Yeah, and I am so thankful that you asked this question, and also thankful that young activists have really drawn the link between climate change and white supremacy and capitalism in our country. And I think only in the ways that all three of those oppressive systems work together are we going to be able to begin the process of dismantling them. So he wants to dismantle white supremacy, whatever that is, and capitalism. He wants to dis. He just said he wants to dismantle capitalism. If that is the moderate. The moderate. That's not moderate.
>> Wesley Wildmon: yeah, I don't think there's that big of a gap between the two. As much as we're making it seem to be the last couple of months, as the DSAs are winning some of these office seats. I don't think there's that much, because if you look at what they've allowed to take place on their platform, just because some of them are not saying it as clear or as bold as others, they're allowing it. They've allowed it for years.
>> Steve Jordahl: the, House of Representatives, is going to be Voting on Representative, Maria Salazar has introduced a motion called denouncing the horrors of Socialism. And she wants to get Democrats on the record as to whether they support socialism in this bsa. this is a, this is going to be a resolution for all members of the House.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: And she's going to put every member of the House of Representatives on record.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So this separating the wheat from the chaff, kind of.
>> Steve Jordahl: And here's what this resolution says. Do you denounce. The resolution denounces socialism in all its forms. It opposes implementing socialist policies in the United States. It, it describes historical socialist regimes and their consequences and it specifically discusses organizations and movements associated with socialism. It is non binding but it will mark and put every member of the House down as to whether or not they are for these socialist things.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I know I said we're on live talk radio so sometimes we repeat ourselves and I'm going to repeat something I said a couple weeks ago and that's that the, the DSA and what's taking place in the Democrat Party will all is offsetting or more than offsetting any of the issues that the Republican Party is having within its own camp. And it's not many, but it's some, but it's some significant things. You know, we expect cost of living to haven't gone down by now. We're expecting, you know, no one in the, no one who voted for Trump voted for what are we, eight month war now. So there's some things that we have some problems we're doing. He's doing a great job on the border and deportation. I think he could do more, however, any concerns that any blows or holes that are in the Republican party during this, Trump's administration, during his, this, his second term is being offset or more by what's taken place within the Democrat Party, especially with the dsa. Most recently.
>> Steve Jordahl: Ray, do you think the Democrats can run from the socialism thing at all as we were?
>> Tim Wildmon: No, because they've been moving in that direction.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Years and years. I mean we, we've talked about this, the left, the far left, the extreme far left. And then whatever this DSA stuff is, it feels to me, Steve, like, like with the DSA they have jumped off the cliff. Okay. And the party, I think Schumer and the others don't know what to do with the dsa. I don't see how they can, they
>> Tim Wildmon: can't win without them. Right. And they can't. And it makes it harder for them to win in a general election with them. So that's right. Kind of the dilemma they're in. However, I. It's going to be interesting to see after the November midterm elections across the country. We may be overstating the unpopularity of the Democrat socialist movement in terms of, are more Americans willing to accept socialism more than we think?
>> Steve Jordahl: So James Carville is hoping not. he had something to say directly about.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hoping not what?
>> Steve Jordahl: That he's hoping. Hoping that Americans are not more in. Tuned to socialism. Let's listen to cut four.
>> Tim Wildmon: The reckoning will be in a nominating process for the nominee of the Democratic Party in 2028. This has to be taken to Democratic voters. And let me assure you that Democratic voters are not going to nominate the DSA or, anybody close to the dsa. The Democrats have never nominated the most liberal candidate and they're not going to do it in 2028. Well, I don't know about that.
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm with you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I don't know about that. We'll have to say next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, so one of the discussions we're having in this country is whether or not we need to put up a whole bunch of data centers for AI. President Trump was, is pushing for them. He, he tweeted out the only reason that communities throughout the USA would not want data centers is if they want to end backwards and poor, if they want to be successful and rich with far lower taxes and jobs all over the place. Let data rain. If we kill the golden goose, we will have ourselves to blame. There's a lot of opposition to data centers. Have a couple polls we can get into as well.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. what do you think about this, Ray?
>> Tim Wildmon: Look, Trump says it's the goal. You know, if you're against the data centers, you're killing the golden goose. He sees the money in it. there are a whole lot of legitimate questions, including the energy drain these data centers are going to use. But on the other hand, everybody I know, everybody I know is using Chat GPT and using Grok and using Claude and the other. The other. There's no going back to the world before AI. Right? There is no going back. And I think, aren't they saying that the purpose of the data centers is to provide the power to keep the AI bots going?
>> Steve Jordahl: That is correct. Not just the bots. AI is going to be everywhere. It's the back end of every system that we have. it's not just, you know, talking, to chatgpt that's just.
>> Tim Wildmon: What did President Trump say? If you're opposed to them, what did he say?
>> Steve Jordahl: The only reason communities throughout the USA should not want data centers is if they want to end up being backwards and poor. If they want to be successful and rich with far lower taxes and jobs all over the place, let data reign.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't have a problem with that comment.
>> Steve Jordahl: According to. I didn't break. I didn't want to trigger anybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't want to be pouring backwards. Well, I want that day to rain.
>> Steve Jordahl: According to the latest, EMERSON RESEARCH Poll, 75% of Americans or those polled oppose data research centers being built in their areas. Gallup has it at 71%, in March of those people being opposed to data centers. And it's kind of a NIMBY thing. They don't want it built in their backyard. I don't know that some of this is fear of AI in general. and remember Elon Musk's vision? He's launching a whole bunch of satellites. The data centers are going to be in space. They're not going to be taking up room in anybody's backyard.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's the only. Or not the only. That was one legitimate concern I'm hearing more so the latter. Not concerned about necessarily AI, although that is a concern for a lot of people. I think the bigger concern is where these data centers are being located though. You hear, you read about a story where they're placed near a very nice neighborhood and they get the sounds annoying. Maybe some of the, energy is taken up in the community and their electrical bills go up or something. Those are some things that I can understand that need to be sorted through and discussed and debated. But the idea in and of itself, it's inevitable. I believe that you are going to have more data centers. It's just part of the natural progression.
>> Steve Jordahl: They have to be close to water, Ray, and they have to be able
>> Tim Wildmon: to have some, people that this, this. I don't understand the, I don't understand a lot of the opposition to these data centers. We're going to run out of water because of them. We're going to be all, we're going to be all in a thirst.
>> Steve Jordahl: And water consumption is part.
>> Tim Wildmon: So we use water consumption for a lot of stuff. What's the big deal?
>> Steve Jordahl: well, that's just, this is what's behind. I'm not, I'm not worried about it,
>> Tim Wildmon: but I know I'm not, I'm m not, I'm not, I'm not acting like I'M arguing with you. I'm just saying, I'm not sure what. We got plenty of water.
>> Steve Jordahl: facilities generate tremendous amounts of heat. They need to be cooled.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: And they depend on water to cool them.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: And so, if you're. And especially like now, we're in the middle of a drought in the Southwest,
>> Tim Wildmon: but you turn them off.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, you turn them off, then you lose your AI. You turn off.
>> Tim Wildmon: You lose your AI.
>> Steve Jordahl: You know, just.
>> Tim Wildmon: You need to have a garden.
>> Steve Jordahl: It's not just chat bots. You turn off AI and you're turning off businesses.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, they need to have backup plan. So I got to say.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, put one together.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know. I don't know. Listen, I don't even know what I'm talking about. I'll just readily admit that, Ray. I'll just say this. President Trump says, basically saying, we got to move forward with this technology if we're going to keep up with the world. And I believe that's true. And we going to have to make some kind of, Yeah, you got to have environmental safety. Nobody wants to run out of water, for goodness sakes. I don't. But I mean, we have all kind of big plants that use energy and all over the country in, you know, car manufacturing, plants. You got Amazon, Walmart distribution centers. I mean, I know that this AI, is different in terms of the water that it uses and in energy, but I'm just saying that we've always had challenges when it comes to, you know, making progress with,
>> Wesley Wildmon: Technology.
>> Tim Wildmon: Technology. Go ahead, Ray.
>> Tim Wildmon: Look, what. I don't even know what we're supposed to say about this, because they're coming, right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, they're going to be built. There is no possibility that they aren't going to be built. And, some governor is going to say, not in my state, Fine, they're going to be built.
>> Tim Wildmon: Governor Abbott's been. He's been fighting with him. Hadn't he been somewhat. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what his reasons are. Go ahead.
>> Tim Wildmon: Can he mean Texas is a big state.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Can you keep the data centers completely out of Texas? That just. On the surface, that seems very doubtful.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know if Abbott is completely opposed to the data centers per se, or if he wants changes made in how they operate. You know, for example, I'm not sure exactly, but I do think it's inevitable. And these data centers are going to go up around the country. And, I don't necessarily Think I'd have phrased it like President Trump did. He said, if you want to stay poor and ignorant. What did he say? Poor and what the phrase is backwards. He said backwards.
>> Steve Jordahl: Backwards and poor.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you want to stay, backwards and poor, then you oppose these AI.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ah.
>> Steve Jordahl: So Abbott says he's going. He wants to require, data centers or, AI companies to pay their own way. In other words, they should pay for the transmission and other electrical infrastructure that they use. he wants him to provide and help generate power for their communities. He wants to protect the water supplies and protect neighborhoods from noise and light and traffic.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't have a problem with that either. I think that's the best of both worlds.
>> Steve Jordahl: This Abbott says those are the requirements he wants before he's going to allow all.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Very reasonable, Very reasonable.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now, did you say Elon Musk wants to put these data centers up space?
>> Steve Jordahl: He want. He is.
>> Tim Wildmon: He is.
>> Steve Jordahl: He's launching them. Yeah, he's putting, he's launching, servers and server farms up in space where cooling is not an issue because it's just. And energy is not an issue because the sun 247 and, it's, you can cool, in space.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I, stayed up late last night working on that with him.
>> Steve Jordahl: Did you?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, getting, getting it up there.
>> Steve Jordahl: Good.
>> Wesley Wildmon: We need more getting it up there.
>> Tim Wildmon: How do you get the power back down to the earth? It's going to take some really, really long.
>> Steve Jordahl: They don't get. See, the power that the data centers are using is to run the AI computers. Okay, now that, that the power is being generated by the sun in space, what is going to be transmitted from space isn't power. The data centers don't give power. They give data.
>> Tim Wildmon: And the data, when you talk, your answer on chat. GPT may not be coming from Utah, may be coming from outer space.
>> Steve Jordahl: What. What these data farms in space or on land are providing is data. They are giving. They are giving power. So it's computing power. It can be transmitted wirelessly.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Is it data or data? I'm just kidding.
>> Tim Wildmon: data or data? That's a good question.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Tomato, tomato.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, tomato. All right, next story. Steve, I'm dadded out, man. I don't know. I don't. I'm data centered out.
>> Steve Jordahl: The Supreme Court has ruled 5 to 4 that President Trump can continue construction of his White House ballroom. The vote, was down like this. It was, it was Chief Justice Jon Roberts, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Kentaji Brown Jackson that opposed this the majority, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsas, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett voted to allow it. And so the five beats, the four in the President's ballroom will continue.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That had to go to the Supreme Court.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's one of those things where. What are you going to do? They're almost halfway through with it. You're going to say, nope, you got to put everything back like it was. This is a ballroom.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Such a. And such a waste of time and
>> Tim Wildmon: politics trying to prevent him from doing that. Listen, this.
>> Wesley Wildmon: To have to go to the Supreme. Out of all the.
>> Tim Wildmon: I didn't know the Supreme Court could rule on something like this. I mean, I thought it was the
>> Steve Jordahl: really, the National Trust for Historic Preservation brought suit saying that he didn't have the right. This is an anti Trump group saying he didn't have the right to do it or spend money to do it or whatever.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, President Trump raised most of the money himself. Privately. Okay. But really, listen. Yes. You always need to be careful in our nation's capital about making changes because in putting up new stuff and new monuments and new. yes, that is true. because that's our national treasure, our nation's capital. We people, from all over the world visit there. But at the same time, when you're talking about the White House grounds, it's always been the purview of whoever's in the White House to basically do what they want to. And, I mean, we've. We've had all kind of. I mean, President, Obama added a basketball court. You had, there's not a lot of space there to do. I think President Trump's adding a helipad. Right. for hit for the Air Force. excuse me, for Marine One, this ballroom, needed to be built because all the events that are any size that they were having there at the White.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, go ahead.
>> Tim Wildmon: The White House. We're on the South Lawn and it was under canopy, under tents and cannabis. Like a. Like you'd see, in your town at a circus, a wedding ceremony or something like that. You know, the reception, it was just ridiculous. And so you couldn't. Weather would interrupt things. You got a head of state coming from somewhere around the world and you got a weather about a thunderstorm rolling in. It's, security issues and security out in the open.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Out in the open. Because I forget, was it President Trump or the Vice President Vance at an event where that they had a guy that gunman come through the hotel, and he ran through, the security, and he opened fire.
>> Tim Wildmon: That was the correspondence dinner.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Correspondence dinner. That's right, the correspondence dinner. After the fact, we look back and realize that it would have been much more convenient if that event was hosted on the White House grounds from a security standpoint, too, as well. So, yeah, there's. It's just. Just mind blowing. Out of all the serious, serious, serious issues that our country's facing, that. That would make it.
>> Tim Wildmon: And listen, by all the designs of it, right, I saw it. it's going to be a. Yes. It's going to be massive. It may be as big. It may be as big or bigger than the White House, I don't know. but it's going to be a grand place that you can have events that you don't have to worry about. Security, weather. It's going to be, It's going to be.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know what, Tim? In the years to come after President
>> Tim Wildmon: Trump, they're going to be glad he did it.
>> Tim Wildmon: They're going to be glad Democrat and Republican presidents both be glad he did it.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. So. But I didn't know the White House would. I mean, I didn't know the Supreme Court. When I saw that story, I was going, what in the world's the Supreme Court got to do with building, a ballroom at the White House by the White House. Now you've been by the. I haven't been there in a while. Do you see the construction?
>> Wesley Wildmon: I have seen it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You saw it a few months ago, right?
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. They moved the fence line or barriers back a couple blocks, and, you can see where the construction is taking place right there. Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: And let's face it, President Trump, how did he become famous in the first place?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Building. Nice stuff.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what I'm saying. So, whether you like. I think you got Trump derangement syndrome. If you're opposed to him building this, I think you got.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Would that be the test?
>> Tim Wildmon: I think you need to look inside yourself and see where the problem. All right. We're out of time. Thank you, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: My pleasure.
>> Tim Wildmon: My thanks to Wesley and Ray, Brent Creeley, our producer, Cole Greene, our video man, Frank Turek was on. Krish, Woodward, big fan of the Carpenters.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And y' all kept me awake the whole time.
>> Tim Wildmon: We did. Yeah. Eating that big breakfast buffet. All right, have a good day, everybody. Keep listening to AFR and we will see you back here tomorrow. Don't m.
>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for joining us. Steve Jordal is in the house now.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody. I am here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Good to see you, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Thank you. Good to be seen.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, Tim, Wesley, Ray, and now Steve. And, Ray, are you done traveling? Are you? for the.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, ironically, I'm gone the next two weeks up to NewSong York to teach Galatians and then teaching Galatians down here. But after that, Tim, I'm basically going to be home here in Florida, for the rest of the year.
>> Steve Jordahl: Got any college football games? You're going to be. Did. Do you. Did you, have you switched your sports allegiance now? Are you still an NFL Chiefs fan or are you now a college fan?
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, look, I've always.
>> Steve Jordahl: Tampa Bay Bucks fan.
>> Tim Wildmon: I will. What now?
>> Steve Jordahl: Tampa Bay Bucks?
>> Tim Wildmon: What, do they have a team?
>> Steve Jordahl: They might.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, look, look, I gotta love Patrick Mahomes. I'm interested to see his comeback and all of that, so. But it's college football, Tim, right? College football rules the world. Or should.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me, I'm big. I agree with you. Right. I'm more college than NFL. guy. College just has more pageantry and more at stake each and every week is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Way I look at it, this. This is a big week. Week one. All the teams are playing this week.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, this is. You're right. This is a big week. This is the first big weekend for the, for the college football team. So everybody's optimistic because everybody's undefeated right now.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. You know, except the few people who lost last weekend.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's true.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, a few of those. But.
>> Tim Wildmon: Were you going to say something?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I was going to distinguish between something that I just thought about over the last couple years with sports, that professional sports is first a, job before it's a sport. The professional athletes are getting paid to provide for their families and themselves. So it has a little bit. It's what you're describing, but I'm just connecting some dots there. Whereas college football up into the last two, three years was not, where you weren't getting paid for it. You were doing it out of the love for your team and your sport, your school, the fans and things like that. Now, there's still some of that there, which is why we still watch it like we do. but, and m. I think they're in the progress of realizing. They mean the NCAA and college sports have made some mistakes the last couple years, and they're trying to fix it. They're a little late to the game, but they're working on making some rule changes that will help provide our, back to what it was before that. However, there is a distinguishable difference between professional sports and college sports. And primarily, one is a job first and foremost, and the other one is more of a sport. Mm.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's kind of the lines are being blurred right now because they're paying them straight up. The, the athletes. All right, though, what's your first story there?
>> Steve Jordahl: we have been talking frequently, about the DSA and the battle within the Democrat Party between.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're really worried about them.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, so there seems to be a moderate wing of the Democrat Party and then this radical socialist DSA wing. I'm going to suggest you that maybe the moderates are not so moderate. one of them is. You said that James Talarico, he's being billed as the moderate in. In Texas. He's, running for Senate there, and he, he was talking with the Sierra Club, the other day, and this was recorded. And, I want you to hear his designs for capitalism. Listen to cut 17.
>> Tim Wildmon: Tell us about one of the committees
>> Steve Jordahl: you are on or hope to be on, and the most important actions that committee could take to fight for climate justice and mitigate the impacts of climate change for all Texans. Yeah, and I am so thankful that you asked this question, and also thankful that young activists have really drawn the link between climate change and white supremacy and capitalism in our country. And I think only in the ways that all three of those oppressive systems work together are we going to be able to begin the process of dismantling them. So he wants to dismantle white supremacy, whatever that is, and capitalism. He wants to dis. He just said he wants to dismantle capitalism. If that is the moderate. The moderate. That's not moderate.
>> Wesley Wildmon: yeah, I don't think there's that big of a gap between the two. As much as we're making it seem to be the last couple of months, as the DSAs are winning some of these office seats. I don't think there's that much, because if you look at what they've allowed to take place on their platform, just because some of them are not saying it as clear or as bold as others, they're allowing it. They've allowed it for years.
>> Steve Jordahl: the, House of Representatives, is going to be Voting on Representative, Maria Salazar has introduced a motion called denouncing the horrors of Socialism. And she wants to get Democrats on the record as to whether they support socialism in this bsa. this is a, this is going to be a resolution for all members of the House.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: And she's going to put every member of the House of Representatives on record.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So this separating the wheat from the chaff, kind of.
>> Steve Jordahl: And here's what this resolution says. Do you denounce. The resolution denounces socialism in all its forms. It opposes implementing socialist policies in the United States. It, it describes historical socialist regimes and their consequences and it specifically discusses organizations and movements associated with socialism. It is non binding but it will mark and put every member of the House down as to whether or not they are for these socialist things.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I know I said we're on live talk radio so sometimes we repeat ourselves and I'm going to repeat something I said a couple weeks ago and that's that the, the DSA and what's taking place in the Democrat Party will all is offsetting or more than offsetting any of the issues that the Republican Party is having within its own camp. And it's not many, but it's some, but it's some significant things. You know, we expect cost of living to haven't gone down by now. We're expecting, you know, no one in the, no one who voted for Trump voted for what are we, eight month war now. So there's some things that we have some problems we're doing. He's doing a great job on the border and deportation. I think he could do more, however, any concerns that any blows or holes that are in the Republican party during this, Trump's administration, during his, this, his second term is being offset or more by what's taken place within the Democrat Party, especially with the dsa. Most recently.
>> Steve Jordahl: Ray, do you think the Democrats can run from the socialism thing at all as we were?
>> Tim Wildmon: No, because they've been moving in that direction.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Years and years. I mean we, we've talked about this, the left, the far left, the extreme far left. And then whatever this DSA stuff is, it feels to me, Steve, like, like with the DSA they have jumped off the cliff. Okay. And the party, I think Schumer and the others don't know what to do with the dsa. I don't see how they can, they
>> Tim Wildmon: can't win without them. Right. And they can't. And it makes it harder for them to win in a general election with them. So that's right. Kind of the dilemma they're in. However, I. It's going to be interesting to see after the November midterm elections across the country. We may be overstating the unpopularity of the Democrat socialist movement in terms of, are more Americans willing to accept socialism more than we think?
>> Steve Jordahl: So James Carville is hoping not. he had something to say directly about.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hoping not what?
>> Steve Jordahl: That he's hoping. Hoping that Americans are not more in. Tuned to socialism. Let's listen to cut four.
>> Tim Wildmon: The reckoning will be in a nominating process for the nominee of the Democratic Party in 2028. This has to be taken to Democratic voters. And let me assure you that Democratic voters are not going to nominate the DSA or, anybody close to the dsa. The Democrats have never nominated the most liberal candidate and they're not going to do it in 2028. Well, I don't know about that.
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm with you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I don't know about that. We'll have to say next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, so one of the discussions we're having in this country is whether or not we need to put up a whole bunch of data centers for AI. President Trump was, is pushing for them. He, he tweeted out the only reason that communities throughout the USA would not want data centers is if they want to end backwards and poor, if they want to be successful and rich with far lower taxes and jobs all over the place. Let data rain. If we kill the golden goose, we will have ourselves to blame. There's a lot of opposition to data centers. Have a couple polls we can get into as well.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. what do you think about this, Ray?
>> Tim Wildmon: Look, Trump says it's the goal. You know, if you're against the data centers, you're killing the golden goose. He sees the money in it. there are a whole lot of legitimate questions, including the energy drain these data centers are going to use. But on the other hand, everybody I know, everybody I know is using Chat GPT and using Grok and using Claude and the other. The other. There's no going back to the world before AI. Right? There is no going back. And I think, aren't they saying that the purpose of the data centers is to provide the power to keep the AI bots going?
>> Steve Jordahl: That is correct. Not just the bots. AI is going to be everywhere. It's the back end of every system that we have. it's not just, you know, talking, to chatgpt that's just.
>> Tim Wildmon: What did President Trump say? If you're opposed to them, what did he say?
>> Steve Jordahl: The only reason communities throughout the USA should not want data centers is if they want to end up being backwards and poor. If they want to be successful and rich with far lower taxes and jobs all over the place, let data reign.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't have a problem with that comment.
>> Steve Jordahl: According to. I didn't break. I didn't want to trigger anybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't want to be pouring backwards. Well, I want that day to rain.
>> Steve Jordahl: According to the latest, EMERSON RESEARCH Poll, 75% of Americans or those polled oppose data research centers being built in their areas. Gallup has it at 71%, in March of those people being opposed to data centers. And it's kind of a NIMBY thing. They don't want it built in their backyard. I don't know that some of this is fear of AI in general. and remember Elon Musk's vision? He's launching a whole bunch of satellites. The data centers are going to be in space. They're not going to be taking up room in anybody's backyard.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's the only. Or not the only. That was one legitimate concern I'm hearing more so the latter. Not concerned about necessarily AI, although that is a concern for a lot of people. I think the bigger concern is where these data centers are being located though. You hear, you read about a story where they're placed near a very nice neighborhood and they get the sounds annoying. Maybe some of the, energy is taken up in the community and their electrical bills go up or something. Those are some things that I can understand that need to be sorted through and discussed and debated. But the idea in and of itself, it's inevitable. I believe that you are going to have more data centers. It's just part of the natural progression.
>> Steve Jordahl: They have to be close to water, Ray, and they have to be able
>> Tim Wildmon: to have some, people that this, this. I don't understand the, I don't understand a lot of the opposition to these data centers. We're going to run out of water because of them. We're going to be all, we're going to be all in a thirst.
>> Steve Jordahl: And water consumption is part.
>> Tim Wildmon: So we use water consumption for a lot of stuff. What's the big deal?
>> Steve Jordahl: well, that's just, this is what's behind. I'm not, I'm not worried about it,
>> Tim Wildmon: but I know I'm not, I'm m not, I'm not, I'm not acting like I'M arguing with you. I'm just saying, I'm not sure what. We got plenty of water.
>> Steve Jordahl: facilities generate tremendous amounts of heat. They need to be cooled.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: And they depend on water to cool them.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: And so, if you're. And especially like now, we're in the middle of a drought in the Southwest,
>> Tim Wildmon: but you turn them off.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, you turn them off, then you lose your AI. You turn off.
>> Tim Wildmon: You lose your AI.
>> Steve Jordahl: You know, just.
>> Tim Wildmon: You need to have a garden.
>> Steve Jordahl: It's not just chat bots. You turn off AI and you're turning off businesses.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, they need to have backup plan. So I got to say.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, put one together.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know. I don't know. Listen, I don't even know what I'm talking about. I'll just readily admit that, Ray. I'll just say this. President Trump says, basically saying, we got to move forward with this technology if we're going to keep up with the world. And I believe that's true. And we going to have to make some kind of, Yeah, you got to have environmental safety. Nobody wants to run out of water, for goodness sakes. I don't. But I mean, we have all kind of big plants that use energy and all over the country in, you know, car manufacturing, plants. You got Amazon, Walmart distribution centers. I mean, I know that this AI, is different in terms of the water that it uses and in energy, but I'm just saying that we've always had challenges when it comes to, you know, making progress with,
>> Wesley Wildmon: Technology.
>> Tim Wildmon: Technology. Go ahead, Ray.
>> Tim Wildmon: Look, what. I don't even know what we're supposed to say about this, because they're coming, right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, they're going to be built. There is no possibility that they aren't going to be built. And, some governor is going to say, not in my state, Fine, they're going to be built.
>> Tim Wildmon: Governor Abbott's been. He's been fighting with him. Hadn't he been somewhat. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what his reasons are. Go ahead.
>> Tim Wildmon: Can he mean Texas is a big state.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Can you keep the data centers completely out of Texas? That just. On the surface, that seems very doubtful.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know if Abbott is completely opposed to the data centers per se, or if he wants changes made in how they operate. You know, for example, I'm not sure exactly, but I do think it's inevitable. And these data centers are going to go up around the country. And, I don't necessarily Think I'd have phrased it like President Trump did. He said, if you want to stay poor and ignorant. What did he say? Poor and what the phrase is backwards. He said backwards.
>> Steve Jordahl: Backwards and poor.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you want to stay, backwards and poor, then you oppose these AI.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ah.
>> Steve Jordahl: So Abbott says he's going. He wants to require, data centers or, AI companies to pay their own way. In other words, they should pay for the transmission and other electrical infrastructure that they use. he wants him to provide and help generate power for their communities. He wants to protect the water supplies and protect neighborhoods from noise and light and traffic.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't have a problem with that either. I think that's the best of both worlds.
>> Steve Jordahl: This Abbott says those are the requirements he wants before he's going to allow all.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Very reasonable, Very reasonable.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now, did you say Elon Musk wants to put these data centers up space?
>> Steve Jordahl: He want. He is.
>> Tim Wildmon: He is.
>> Steve Jordahl: He's launching them. Yeah, he's putting, he's launching, servers and server farms up in space where cooling is not an issue because it's just. And energy is not an issue because the sun 247 and, it's, you can cool, in space.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I, stayed up late last night working on that with him.
>> Steve Jordahl: Did you?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, getting, getting it up there.
>> Steve Jordahl: Good.
>> Wesley Wildmon: We need more getting it up there.
>> Tim Wildmon: How do you get the power back down to the earth? It's going to take some really, really long.
>> Steve Jordahl: They don't get. See, the power that the data centers are using is to run the AI computers. Okay, now that, that the power is being generated by the sun in space, what is going to be transmitted from space isn't power. The data centers don't give power. They give data.
>> Tim Wildmon: And the data, when you talk, your answer on chat. GPT may not be coming from Utah, may be coming from outer space.
>> Steve Jordahl: What. What these data farms in space or on land are providing is data. They are giving. They are giving power. So it's computing power. It can be transmitted wirelessly.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Is it data or data? I'm just kidding.
>> Tim Wildmon: data or data? That's a good question.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Tomato, tomato.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, tomato. All right, next story. Steve, I'm dadded out, man. I don't know. I don't. I'm data centered out.
>> Steve Jordahl: The Supreme Court has ruled 5 to 4 that President Trump can continue construction of his White House ballroom. The vote, was down like this. It was, it was Chief Justice Jon Roberts, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Kentaji Brown Jackson that opposed this the majority, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsas, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett voted to allow it. And so the five beats, the four in the President's ballroom will continue.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That had to go to the Supreme Court.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's one of those things where. What are you going to do? They're almost halfway through with it. You're going to say, nope, you got to put everything back like it was. This is a ballroom.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Such a. And such a waste of time and
>> Tim Wildmon: politics trying to prevent him from doing that. Listen, this.
>> Wesley Wildmon: To have to go to the Supreme. Out of all the.
>> Tim Wildmon: I didn't know the Supreme Court could rule on something like this. I mean, I thought it was the
>> Steve Jordahl: really, the National Trust for Historic Preservation brought suit saying that he didn't have the right. This is an anti Trump group saying he didn't have the right to do it or spend money to do it or whatever.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, President Trump raised most of the money himself. Privately. Okay. But really, listen. Yes. You always need to be careful in our nation's capital about making changes because in putting up new stuff and new monuments and new. yes, that is true. because that's our national treasure, our nation's capital. We people, from all over the world visit there. But at the same time, when you're talking about the White House grounds, it's always been the purview of whoever's in the White House to basically do what they want to. And, I mean, we've. We've had all kind of. I mean, President, Obama added a basketball court. You had, there's not a lot of space there to do. I think President Trump's adding a helipad. Right. for hit for the Air Force. excuse me, for Marine One, this ballroom, needed to be built because all the events that are any size that they were having there at the White.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, go ahead.
>> Tim Wildmon: The White House. We're on the South Lawn and it was under canopy, under tents and cannabis. Like a. Like you'd see, in your town at a circus, a wedding ceremony or something like that. You know, the reception, it was just ridiculous. And so you couldn't. Weather would interrupt things. You got a head of state coming from somewhere around the world and you got a weather about a thunderstorm rolling in. It's, security issues and security out in the open.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Out in the open. Because I forget, was it President Trump or the Vice President Vance at an event where that they had a guy that gunman come through the hotel, and he ran through, the security, and he opened fire.
>> Tim Wildmon: That was the correspondence dinner.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Correspondence dinner. That's right, the correspondence dinner. After the fact, we look back and realize that it would have been much more convenient if that event was hosted on the White House grounds from a security standpoint, too, as well. So, yeah, there's. It's just. Just mind blowing. Out of all the serious, serious, serious issues that our country's facing, that. That would make it.
>> Tim Wildmon: And listen, by all the designs of it, right, I saw it. it's going to be a. Yes. It's going to be massive. It may be as big. It may be as big or bigger than the White House, I don't know. but it's going to be a grand place that you can have events that you don't have to worry about. Security, weather. It's going to be, It's going to be.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know what, Tim? In the years to come after President
>> Tim Wildmon: Trump, they're going to be glad he did it.
>> Tim Wildmon: They're going to be glad Democrat and Republican presidents both be glad he did it.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. So. But I didn't know the White House would. I mean, I didn't know the Supreme Court. When I saw that story, I was going, what in the world's the Supreme Court got to do with building, a ballroom at the White House by the White House. Now you've been by the. I haven't been there in a while. Do you see the construction?
>> Wesley Wildmon: I have seen it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You saw it a few months ago, right?
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. They moved the fence line or barriers back a couple blocks, and, you can see where the construction is taking place right there. Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: And let's face it, President Trump, how did he become famous in the first place?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Building. Nice stuff.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what I'm saying. So, whether you like. I think you got Trump derangement syndrome. If you're opposed to him building this, I think you got.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Would that be the test?
>> Tim Wildmon: I think you need to look inside yourself and see where the problem. All right. We're out of time. Thank you, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: My pleasure.
>> Tim Wildmon: My thanks to Wesley and Ray, Brent Creeley, our producer, Cole Greene, our video man, Frank Turek was on. Krish, Woodward, big fan of the Carpenters.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And y' all kept me awake the whole time.
>> Tim Wildmon: We did. Yeah. Eating that big breakfast buffet. All right, have a good day, everybody. Keep listening to AFR and we will see you back here tomorrow. Don't m.
In this episode of Today's Issues, host Tim Wildmon is joined by Steve Jordal and Ray as they discuss the latest in college football, the evolving landscape of professional and college sports, and the ongoing debates within the Democratic Party regarding socialism. The conversation delves into the implications of data centers for AI technology, the recent Supreme Court ruling on President Trump's White House ballroom, and the impact of political narratives on American society. Tune in for an engaging discussion that connects sports, politics, and technology!
Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(00:15) College Football Discussion
(05:00) Democratic Party Dynamics
(15:30) Data Centers and AI
(22:00) Supreme Court Ruling on Trump's Ballroom
(24:00) Conclusion
In this episode of Today's Issues, host Tim Wildmon is joined by Steve Jordal and Ray as they discuss the latest in college football, the evolving landscape of professional and college sports, and the ongoing debates within the Democratic Party regarding socialism. The conversation delves into the implications of data centers for AI technology, the recent Supreme Court ruling on President Trump's White House ballroom, and the impact of political narratives on American society. Tune in for an engaging discussion that connects sports, politics, and technology!
Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(00:15) College Football Discussion
(05:00) Democratic Party Dynamics
(15:30) Data Centers and AI
(22:00) Supreme Court Ruling on Trump's Ballroom
(24:00) Conclusion
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