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>> Tim Wildmon: Welcome to today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association. Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on American Family RA radio on this Tuesday, September 1st, 2026. That's right, September 1st. Our first. Whatever you prefer. And, we have in studio with me is Wesley Wildmon. Good morning, Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm glad to be here.
>> Tim Wildmon: And Krish Woodward.
>> Chris Woodward: Good morning.
>> Tim Wildmon: That was. You usually say hey.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I told. Everybody's gonna have to fight.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, tune in just one cup of coffee. So far.
>> Dave Williams: Huh?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Huh?
>> Chris Woodward: I've had probably. I'm on two and a half.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I was gonna give snore because if I. If I doze off here. I just walked across the street from our annual brunch staff. Brunch.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And I ate for three people. Well. And I didn't mean to do that. And,
>> Tim Wildmon: You did it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I did.
>> Tim Wildmon: And right before a radio show.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I know. I thought about that. So if I doze off, just shake me.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. We'll shake him, wake you up, shake, rattle and roll. I forgot all about that. What they have over there, you
>> Wesley Wildmon: name it, is a. Just a big buffet of homemade breakfast.
>> Tim Wildmon: How can I forget?
>> Wesley Wildmon: It was an email.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, can y' all do the show? I'm gonna go on.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It would be. It would. It would be worth it next year.
>> Chris Woodward: Alive.
>> Tim Wildmon: no, I can be back here at the bottom of the aisle.
>> Wesley Wildmon: now, one person that we're. That one person that's not good with us talking about this is someone who's not here, but. But with us.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. Yes. Brother Ray Pritchard. Good morning, Ray.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, would somebody please go over to the buffet?
>> Tim Wildmon: I know.
>> Tim Wildmon: Get me a plate because I haven't eaten anything yet.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, me either. And so I've been skipping breakfast, a long few years now, but, yeah, for the most part, but. But there.
>> Dave Williams: There.
>> Tim Wildmon: There are hardly three words in the English language that. That sound better to the ear than hot breakfast buffet. I'm talking. What?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Brunch.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just take a minute. Brunch. Brunch is for sissies.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. That's the way I look at it. I need a breakfast. A man's breakfast. So tell me what that break is for.
>> Tim Wildmon: People who can't make up their mind.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. Yeah, that's right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They had a big.
>> Tim Wildmon: Give me just. I know our listeners have already eaten breakfast. Go ahead and give me a, Tell me to give me three or four things we're looking at.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They had a big bowl of just freshly cooked bacon. It was perfectly cooked. Not. Not too crunchy, not too chewy.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They had a casserole, a sausage casserole. They had a, like a egg and breakfast casserole. They had biscuits from three different local restaurants here in town. They had.
>> Tim Wildmon: How did I miss this?
>> Wesley Wildmon: They had three layers of boxes of blueberry donuts.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, no.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Orange juice.
>> Tim Wildmon: Blueberry donuts. The warm blueberry donuts.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: That makes me. They make me cry.
>> Chris Woodward: I started speaking in tongues one time, and I'm about to. That's how good they were, Krish.
>> Tim Wildmon: That was a good one. Krish. Sprint. So that just started speaking in tongues.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And that's just to scratch the surface.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, wow, man. Maybe they have some left.
>> Tim Wildmon: you know, I can't believe you somehow missed this.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know what happened. I just. I think I saw the memo yesterday or something, and I just got away from you, I guess.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So you were preparing for the show,
>> Tim Wildmon: working too hard for the show, ready for this, getting ready to deliver a professional radio program right here. All right. so Dr. Frank Turek, our good friend, will be with us at the bottom of the hour. There's been a story, in the news for the last few years. Quite frankly, you'll see a story about Noah's Ark. Have they discovered. They. The, scientists, archaeologists, keep, talking about the possibility of Noah's Ark being in Turkey. And Frank Turek's actually been over there to look for it, and he's going to. We'll ask him about that at the bottom of the hour. Among other things, Frank is, home with us once a week. Ray, what do you think about, You follow that story over there?
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's your thoughts on.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, step one, we believe what the Bible says. And the Bible says it came to Noah's Ark, which was a real boat, right. Came to rest in the mountains, plural. The mountains of Ararat. Now, there is Mount Ararat, the mountain, but the Hebrew's plural. So it's either on that mountain or it's nearby. And so this, this, you know, people, they. For generations, Christian explorers have been going up and down coman the Mount Ararat, and they have found some, I would say here and there, tantalizing things. But nobody's clearly ever discovered Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat, clearly. So this place is, I think about 18 miles away. And, I wait to hear what Frank has to say, but I would rank it as a tantalizing possibility.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so we will talk about that with Frank Turk coming up at the bottom of the hour. Among other things, Krish, this, national story involving the, woman who killed her three children, she confessed to that. So that's not a layer.
>> Chris Woodward: Her lawyers do not dispute that she killed her children.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's her name?
>> Chris Woodward: Lindsey Clancy.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, it's been all over the news. People have seen that she says she and her lawyer say she has. She had What exactly what was her mental condition?
>> Chris Woodward: Postpartum psychosis has been the claim.
>> Tim Wildmon: And so therefore she was not responsible for murdering her kids because she wasn't in her right mind.
>> Chris Woodward: Correct?
>> Dave Williams: Correct.
>> Tim Wildmon: Base our right emotional state. So that's been a trial going on. Is that Massachusetts?
>> Chris Woodward: It is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so, the jury's been deliberating. What is the latest on that story?
>> Chris Woodward: They, told the judge today that they are deadlocked. They cannot reach a decision. But the judge said keep talking about it. And that is the the breaking story right now. It hit just before the show began. Fox, BBC, cnn, all the channels, have done coverage on it. We are on top of it. We have a story on AFN Net as well. they have been in and out of deliberations for about a week. we thought we would actually get some sort of decision on Friday, but the judge sent everybody home over the weekend. They came back yesterday, still no decision. And this morning they finally said we can't.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know you're not a lawyer here, but what happens if they can't reach a great question decision. Do you know?
>> Chris Woodward: The the best as I can understand it and explain it is there would be some sort of a new trial at a date to be determined.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They would go ahead with next question in the event that she is. Gets the pass, for lack of better word, of being acquitted. Acquitted. this. What's she. There starts to be some cont. Is it,
>> Tim Wildmon: Or something like that.
>> Chris Woodward: Do you know that has been one of the things that people have put out there as what the. What may happen to her if the jury were to Find her guilty that she would spend, but, what, a certain amount of time in a hospital.
>> Tim Wildmon: So you're saying, Ray, do you know any more about this than we're talking about here in terms of the. The outcome and what happened?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, well, if. Okay, if the jury. If it's a hung jury, it's a Hungary.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what. Yeah, Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, the judge is going to send them back, right? He's going to say, work harder. See if you can get to the bottom of this. But. But it may come out. I wouldn't think today, but maybe tomorrow or the next day. The jury just comes out and says, we're at loggerheads, and there is no possibility of a, of a decision. Then the jury is released, and at that point, the prosecution then has to decide, do they even want to try the case again? In this case, they certainly would. so what happened? She's in prison, right? I mean, she's. She's in custody. Right. So, what happens then? we wait for a second trial.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, is there any chance she's. She's back on the street? She's eating at Applebee's next week?
>> Chris Woodward: I think there is that chance. How likely it is is another argument. There is a difference between possible and likely.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So the details that I've been following this and the details that. In my opinion, of all the evidence, I think she is not crazy. I think she's should be tried for murder and be. And be prosecuted for murdering three children of her own. However, just for conversation here, if she. Let's play it the other way. Let's say she's, What's the technical term? I call it crazy. well, mentally ill. Let's say she's mentally ill. Okay. If you put her back out on the street and she does it again and she's still mentally ill, you can't. Either way, she can't go back out on the street.
>> Chris Woodward: I do. I do have some sort of an
>> Tim Wildmon: answer to your initial question because she's already pleaded guilty to the crimes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes. So in the event a mistrial is formally declared, meaning the jury says, we can't do this, judge. The judge says, forget it. mistrial is declared. The district attorney's office will have to decide whether to reach try the case, offer a plea bargain, or dismiss the charges. I cannot imagine any scenario where they would miss.
>> Dave Williams: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So. Yeah, Yeah, I just. What I've. The evidence. I've listened to and heard.
>> Tim Wildmon: She said she did it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: She's confessed. She did it. Yeah. I don't know. Listen, people do have, mental illnesses that cause them to do things they otherwise wouldn't do. in the same way that alcohol or drugs can lead people to doing things that they otherwise wouldn't do. Even heinous things. Now, I will say this. When it comes to alcohol and drugs, that's a voluntary choice. You choose to. You choose to turn the bottle and drink.
>> Chris Woodward: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: People might say, well, if they're an addict, they don't have a choice. I don't buy that. In terms of effects, on other people and. Or criminal actions.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But consequences aren't removed just because.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now, with mental illness, people. Ray, they go back and forth on this one. You got to have consequences for behavior.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Even if you're mentally ill. Either way, you got to. Or you just have everybody saying, what
>> Wesley Wildmon: if she does it next week to someone else?
>> Tim Wildmon: I know. You just. You can't let them off the hook. some people say, well, put them in a mental hospital, you know, instead of putting them in a jail or a prison, for example. So, I don't know what the exact right answer is on that. I just know that if you kill three kids, I don't care if you say you're crazy or I don't care if you say you're, psychotic. sure. Or not. Or not. You got it. You got to pay. The price for your, human life is valuable. Okay. And these three children are dead. Go ahead, Ray. And then we'll. We'll move on to another topic here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, the simplest thing we can say, Tim, And I agree 100% with your point that there are at least some people on the jury clearly, who bought into the theory that this woman's, you know, hearing voices. Hearing voices and all that, that somehow that is a diminished mental capacity.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So she is not responsible in the same way. But as you have said, if there are no consequences for killing your children, then everybody is going to claim.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Some form of temporary.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'll tell you one other thing. And then. Go ahead, Wesley. And then I'll tell you one other thing.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's very graphic. So, I won't go the details on radio, but if you want to. If you. If you want to know more about why I think that she should be charged with murder, you can go read how she killed them. And you can read the time lapse between each killing and how she chased one of them around the house.
>> Tim Wildmon: Did she strangle all three of them with.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. With a,
>> Tim Wildmon: No, go ahead and say it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: She strangled her three children with a exercise band from the house. And within a time period, one at a time, systematically, while one was running around screaming, she was finishing one. And then she moved on to the next. And then she moved on to the next. this is a clear case for me. I don't. I don't have anything.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're saying. You're saying somewhere along the way you would have, you know what to do. Okay. I need to get the cord. I need to strangle this first. I'm sorry. I know this is graphic, folks, and what you're saying. This. This is the details, in a sense, premeditated.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Chris Woodward: And that's why people don't buy the mentally unfit thing, because there have been claims that she investigated things, did some web searches, she sent her husband out to run some errands. A lot of things that she did.
>> Tim Wildmon: Planet.
>> Chris Woodward: That's why some people dismiss the, the psychosis aspect. Jenna actually wrote an iPad for AFN uh.net last week. And Jenna said Lindsey Clancy must be held criminally responsible for the deaths of Cora, Dawson and Kelly.
>> Tim Wildmon: I agree completely. I would anyway, knowing what I know, what you described, Wesley, how this all went down. I don't know how you don't find her guilty. but the jury may be hung. We don't know. They haven't come to an agreement. And you have to have unanimity, don't you, Ray? Doesn't have to be 100%.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think it has to be.
>> Tim Wildmon: Can't be 8 to 1 or 7 to 5 or something like that. You got to find a guilty. Find her guilty of something like that. You got to have, the jury find. Yes, in. In there, and they're all in agreement. You know, one other thing about the mental illness part, and I. I'm not saying she doesn't. You know anybody who does. What she did right here is, quote, crazy.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Quote. So, but, the. I think that's evil. What she did was evil and not crazy. And it was more evil than crazy. Crazy is you, do things that are unexplained. for example, if she goes out and howls at the moon. Okay, that's crazy. That's a mental illness. to do what she did may be a mental illness also, but it's also pure evil.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And I'll end with my.
>> Tim Wildmon: And criminal, and then we'll move on.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. And I'll end with the point that I started for argument's sake. Say she, say she's got the psychosis. All right, whatever. That doesn't change. What if she goes? If she's, if she's, if we agree that she has, that you can't go. She can't get. Like you said, she can't go to Applebee's next week and have a psychosis experience again. And then we're back here all over. No, because even if she has, in either case, she can't be left. She can't be let out.
>> Tim Wildmon: No. I know. You know. We'll see what happens. You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. Tim Westy, Krish and Ray, next story,
>> Chris Woodward: One other legal story that we have on our website.
>> Tim Wildmon: Legal stories, Krish.
>> Chris Woodward: That's what I'm here for. Dun Dun.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just. I love talking about attorneys and court cases, judges and juries. Go ahead, what you got?
>> Chris Woodward: Next in Utah will decide today if there is enough evidence to put the man accused of shooting and killing Charlie Kirk on trial for aggravated murder, which would make him eligible for the death penalty. This is the, 23 year old Tyler Robinson, who turned himself in after the shooting at Utah Valley University last September. He has not entered a plea and his lawyers have not offered alternative theories for Kirk's death. They've instead focused on blocking the case from proceeding to trial and trying to get that death penalty taken off the table. You know, Utah's, governor in the days immediately following, I think even hours after the shooting death of Charlie Kirk said the death penalty will be used in this case. And they're, they have not budged from that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, we might ask Frank about that because Frank Turek, I guess at the bottom of the hour was there when.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: As we talked about many times. But, so what they had for this alleged, killer was, a preliminary hearing. Yes, preliminary hearing. And to decide. And so the judge is going to say yes or no and going forward with the trial.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes. And I'm not sure why it's taken this long. when you, when you again, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a judge, I'm just the news guy. but they have presented a whole host of evidence, a lot of things that we've talked about on the show. He turned himself in at, no point have his parents who urged him to turn himself in ever said something like, you've got the wrong guy. None of that's ever happened.
>> Tim Wildmon: I got text.
>> Chris Woodward: They interviewed his male roommate that he had a romantic relationship with. They aired that video because the police Recorded it. That guy talked about the communications and conversations that he had with Tyler, after.
>> Tim Wildmon: There's also a video of him getting off the roof of the building.
>> Wesley Wildmon: His vehicle.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is that he's going to go to trial. That's just.
>> Chris Woodward: I would think so, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Next story.
>> Chris Woodward: All right, we do have some good news. I'm happy to bring in some good news here.
>> Tim Wildmon: They don't involve lawyers and.
>> Chris Woodward: Correct. Praise God for our first responders, because rescuers, in the last few days have saved some 80 people from those Grand Canyon floods. Two people are dead, one is missing. But again, rescuers have airlifted about 80 some odd people there to higher ground and safety, after these floods moved in. They had some really heavy rainfall on Saturday, and within minutes. I mean, you're talking about water gushing down areas that people were not expecting. A lot of people were camping, in the Grand Canyon, in this area.
>> Tim Wildmon: You've been there?
>> Tim Wildmon: I have been to the Grand Canyon. And to think, to think of the difficulty of getting down, getting down thousands of feet down to the bottom rushing river and all the rest. God bless the first responders who did that. I mean, some amazing pictures of. And video coming out of those, of those rescues.
>> Tim Wildmon: so at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, which is on my bucket list.
>> Tim Wildmon: That is going to the Grand Canyon. Allison and I talk about it every year. And then we back out because we say, oh, I don't, don't want to travel again, don't want to drive that far again. so. Because we're on the road a lot, but anyway, gonna do it one day. But the point is, at the bottom of the, Grand Canyon is Colorado River. Right, Right. So were these people, Ray, do you know, were these people camping, along the Colorado river and then the one of these monsoon type deluges, hit and causes almost instantaneous flooding. Is that.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think that's. I think that's a pretty good description.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Of what happened. And imagine, Tim, you're with the rescue people on the top, and in the midst of that, you got to get down to the bottom. Several thousand feet.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. I mean, how do you do that? Helicopters, maybe. Helicopters, I guess. Yeah. You know, another thing is, and I'm not faulting anybody by any stretch of imagination, but, it does make you wonder with all the, weather model models that we have now, and, you can look on your phone and tell what's going to happen in the next 15 minutes or 30 minutes or an hour. It just, seems odd. To me that this kind of thing could spring up as a surprise on campers, you know what I'm saying? Not that flash flooding doesn't happen, that's why it's called flash flooding. But to not say, okay, you have the ability to escape, in case of a flash flood by going over here or over there and you have communication with your phone.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You know, then you got people like me that's like, nah, it's not gonna happen.
>> Chris Woodward: Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's right. That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Who just goes, what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you would think, and I don't know what all the circumstances were here, but you would think you would get a flash flood warning probably, you know, half an hour in advance of it actually reaching your site. But again, it may. I don't know what the weather conditions were. May have been just a torrential, obviously was a torrential downpour that. And they had what they call monsoon season, the American Southwest. And these thunderstorms just drop inches of rain in hours.
>> Chris Woodward: I was actually in the, Grand Canyon area back in this time in 2021. we had gone to the Grand Canyon, and at one point we stopped to get some gas. This is, after dark, and we're kind of on a gas station on a hill, and it had been raining pretty hard. And then the weather alert went across about a flash full of warning. And I looked, we're staying safely under the big awning at the gas station next to the pump. And I look on the road, which is on a incline or decline, and water is just flowing, down that road. so, I mean, I guess, like,
>> Tim Wildmon: because it doesn't sink in the grass and the ground like it does here where we live. If, not that we don't have flooding, but in the, If you get, you know, if you get where you have a lot of rain, we get like 60 inches a year here where we live. Then, you know, your grass is going to grow and it's going to soak. But you get somewhere like the desert or prairie where the rain just, doesn't soak, it just runs off. So that's the reason it can happen so fast. All right, let's take our break a little early here, and then, we will be back with Dr. Frank Turek coming up momentarily. We thank you for listening to today's issues here on the American Family Radio Network. We'll be back in a few moments.
>> Dave Williams: Sam.
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>> Tim Wildmon: Greece and Italy. We're going there in the spring of 2027. Hello, everyone. I'm Tim Wildmon, president of American Family association and American Family Radio. My sons Walker and Wesley are going to be leading a tour of Greece which includes, many of the sites found in the book of Acts where Paul traveled. And then we, call it the Footsteps of Paul. And then we're going to Italy. By we, I mean Allison. My wife and I are leading a group to Italy to see the sights of, that great country, including Rome. We're going to visit Rome and that'll take a couple, three days to see all that's in Rome. And so we're going to visit the Sistine Chapel. Michelangelo, you may have heard of him, he was a slightly better than average artist. So we're going to be going there. If you want all the information on our tours of, Italy and Greece, go to tours.afa.net that's tours.afa.net give thanks
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>> Tim Wildmon: This is today's issues. Email your comments to commentsfr.net Past broadcast of today's issues are available for listening and viewing in the [email protected]. now back to more of today's issues. Hey, welcome back everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Today's Issues, the name of this here show. I'm Tim With Wesley and Krish and Ray. Ray's in Florida and we're in Mississippi. And, we're gonna stay in the south and go over to North Carolina and talk to our good friend Dr. Frank Turek. How you doing, Frank?
>> Dave Williams: we're heading up to Western Carolina University tonight for our first college event, Tim. It's going to be 7pm up here in Western Carolina. It's in Waynesville, North Carolina. But it's also live streamed. If they go to our Cross Examined YouTube channel, they can see it live streamed at 7pm tonight. We'll include a lot of Q and A too.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, what seven o' clock Eastern or Central?
>> Dave Williams: Eastern. B6 Central. Okay, Eastern, 6 Central.
>> Tim Wildmon: And what channel to go visit?
>> Dave Williams: Go to The Cross Examined YouTube channel. Two words, Cross Examined. You'll see it there.
>> Tim Wildmon: And you're gonna live stream?
>> Dave Williams: Yes, sir. That's the plan. So is the plan. We want it. We reach a lot more people online, obviously, than in person. We'll have a few hundred there tonight.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right?
>> Dave Williams: Hopefully. And then we'll reach a lot more online set.
>> Tim Wildmon: the Western Carolina. Is that the Catamounts?
>> Dave Williams: it. Oh, you mean their name?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Dave Williams: Oh, man, you're putting me on the spot now, bro. I can't.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's why I'm here.
>> Dave Williams: Mascot.
>> Chris Woodward: I'm looking at it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Dave Williams: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you're gonna go their campus, you got to know the name of their.
>> Dave Williams: I gotta know the name. Look it up.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. It's a cat amount. It's a cat. Tim was right. There's catamount.
>> Dave Williams: You're right, you're right, you're right. Now I'm googling.
>> Chris Woodward: What is a catamount now?
>> Wesley Wildmon: What is it?
>> Tim Wildmon: Catamount.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Is that like just like a bobcat in it?
>> Chris Woodward: It's a wild. It's a wild meat eating cat.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's a cougar.
>> Dave Williams: It's just like a. What's a buckeye? Nobody knows.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, that's what Yankees call cockle barrels.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. What now? yeah, from Krish.
>> Chris Woodward: No, no. A buckeye is like, it's very similar to the thing that southerners call a cockle barrel.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, I thought you said Yankees like the NewSong York Yankees.
>> Chris Woodward: No, no.
>> Tim Wildmon: Like over the baseball.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: No. Yes or no? you know, we wandered.
>> Chris Woodward: Not the baseball team.
>> Tim Wildmon: We had a path. We were headed down for this show and we've, we've veered right and we've taken, we've taken a detour.
>> Chris Woodward: A buckeye is a glossy brown nut that falls from a tree in Ohio.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're like going way off.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm sorry. I got buckeye trees at the hunting property I have.
>> Tim Wildmon: By the way, when you guys get through talking about buckeye, we're going to get back on topic here, but what do you.
>> Wesley Wildmon: What chat, man, is a cougar.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's a cougar.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Catamount. That's what I said.
>> Chris Woodward: Well, catamount sounds cooler because.
>> Tim Wildmon: But they probably had those. They may be native to the Carolinas here. I don't know.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah, sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so. Right. Frank, yeah. This story about every two months or whatever, the Daily Mail, which I read, it's a tabloid, but it has a lot of good news and information there. But they throw this Noah's Ark story out, you know, and get. They get me to click on it because I want to see what the latest is. So what do you. What do you tell us? What you. You went over there in search of Noah's Ark?
>> Dave Williams: I went to Iran 20 years ago because the Bible does not say that the Noah's Ark came to rest on the mountain on Mount Ararat. It says the mountains of Ararat.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.
>> Dave Williams: And that can be an area, which includes Iran. Mount Ararat was named about 1200 A.D. okay. Now if that's the mountain it came down on, okay. But I'm not so sure that is the true place. I think it's probably further east than that into Iran because that's the mountains of Ararat. Now, I see the story you're looking at, and I'm not an expert on that site, but I've been told by people who are experts it's not true. Okay. I don't have the details on it, but it's probably not the site.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I have to change my flight then, because I was. I'd already. I'd already booked it and planned everything, but thank you for telling me I'm going to see nothing.
>> Dave Williams: that's right. You're going to see a mountain. That's what you're going to see.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, well, I'll make the best of it, I guess. I had a donkey, you know, a guide with a donkey.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You were gonna do some back?
>> Tim Wildmon: I was gonna do the back of the donkey. You know, let's talk about for just a moment, because there are people listening to us right now who maybe don't, necessarily believe in the biblical account of Noah. And I mean, let's face it, there's no other story in the Bible that use more in children's books. And, you go in any church nursery in America, we got Noah's Ark sitting over there in the corner with all the little giraffes and you know, all the little animals, as many you get. So I want you first Frank, and then Ray, to talk about this story in the Bible, because could it. You really believe, Frank, you really believe that we had a man named Noah and he had his family on board an ark that he built by hand that was so big that it carried two by two animals on board and they floated around out there on a flooded earth for 40 days. And do you believe that's really. You believe the literal, you believe that literal story?
>> Dave Williams: I got no problem believing it. And I'll tell you why. Because it's not even all that impressive when you compare it to the greatest miracle in the Bible. The greatest miracle in the Bible is the first verse. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. If that verse is true, Tim, every other verse in the Bible is at least believable. And the interesting thing now is even atheists are admitting the universe had a beginning. of course they don't think it's God, but what else could it be if space, time and matter had a beginning out of nothing? Whatever created space, time and matter must transcend space, time and matter. In other words, the cause must be at least faceless, timeless, immaterial.
>> Tim Wildmon: I was gonna tell you what, you turn your back on a catamount and that's what, that's what's gonna happen. Frank, just what happened? yeah, you. You went around a mountain or something. I don't know. Go ahead.
>> Dave Williams: All right, well, yeah, I am up in the North Carolina mountains, but I. If space, time and matter had a beginning, the cause must at least be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal and intelligent to create this universe nothing. And in a fine tuned way. So if Genesis 1:1 is true, right? No, it's easy to believe. And by the way, so is Jonah, and so is the resurrection and every other miracle in the Bible, because the greatest miracle, the creation of the universe out of nothing, has already occurred. Also, I would add that every ancient civilization has a great flood story. Gee, I wonder why. Maybe because there was a great flood.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yep. by the way, people don't email me because I believe the biblical account. Like, like Frank just said, when you question the stories of the Bible, then I have to say we are talking about God here, you know, so as Frank said, so the Red Sea parting and the Hebrew people going through it is nothing for God because He created the planet. Okay, so, Ray, you comment, and then Wesley, comment. Go ahead.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, everything Frank said, 1, 1000% Frank. Thank you for being so clear. And I think you're standing it. You're putting the argument in the right place. The issue isn't really Noah's flood. The issue is, do we believe Genesis 1? What? In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. So there's really no problem with the idea of the animals coming in two by two. If God created the world, he could certainly do that. There's no problem with the gopher wood. I saw a discussion today. Exactly what was gopher wood? I don't know if we know for sure the answer, but whatever it was, God can create it. Noah could find it. He and his sons could build the ark, and it could float. If Genesis 1:1 is true, then we shouldn't have any trouble with the concept of a universal flood. Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I was going to ask, Dr. Frank, remind me, how many days did it take to build the ark, and what are some, key evidences that we have of how he built the ark? Because that is probably one of the more fascinating portions of the story for me personally, because nowadays we have all these heavy equipment, machinery, and things can be done in such a short time. but to think about the size of the ark that it was built, and it was built by hand, that part is a little bit harder to
>> Dave Williams: swallow, if I remember rightly. I want to say it's 120 years. maybe you guys could check me on that, since I'm in a car right now and I can't access it. I thought it was a long time. But I think we do know, Ray, what gopher wood was. It's when Noah said to his sons, hey, go for wood.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're gonna be here all week, folks.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hunter, how many years?
>> Dave Williams: 120. What was it, by the way? Yeah, have you guys been to the ark encounter in, in Kentucky?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes, we've been a couple of times. And we're going back again.
>> Dave Williams: Yeah. I mean, that is incredibly impressive. I don't agree with Ken Ham on everything, but that was. That's an impressive feat right there. It.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Absolutely.
>> Dave Williams: You gotta go see that. And they answer all these questions, you know, could they all fit on the ark? And, you know, what about food and all that? It's all there. It's. It's amazing.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right.
>> Tim Wildmon: so, let's see here. Anything else? Do you want to comment at all on situation with the man, who was Arrested for killing Charlie Kirk since you were there.
>> Dave Williams: Yeah. In fact, I'm going to be talking about that tonight at Western Carolina University. Again, people can watch it live streamed on our YouTube channel. Cross examine YouTube channel. But let me just say this. if Tyler Robinson is not really the killer of Charlie Kirk, would we have the following evidence? Would we have video of him on campus? Not just on campus, but actually shooting? Would we have his DNA on the murder weapon, the casing and other items? In fact, one of the experts at the trial says it's a trillion to one odds, it's not him. Right. You know?
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: would we have three confessions, one by text, one by a written letter and one verbally? Would we have the testimony of his lover, confirming all this? Would his parents have turned him in? And would he agree to be turned in if he was not the killer? And would that his defense team not dispute the evidence or cite any so called conspiracy claims? Would they, would they just try and avoid the death penalty? Which is. They're trying to, trying to do that now. That's probably what they're going to try and do today. They're going to try and push back on the aggravated assault charge because that's, that, that's what brings the death penalty. Not just the murder, but that he put other people in jeopardy when he, when he murdered Charlie. Would any of that evidence exist if he was not the killer?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: And the answer, the answer is no. None of this evidence would exist if he was not the killer. You say it was all planted. You got to have thousands of people in on this conspiracy to say that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: You would have to have thousands. That's impossible.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: Okay. It's nonsense to say these conspiracy theories are true.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Dave Williams: He's going to get a fair trial. He's innocent until proven guilty. But to suggest that he is not the killer and there's some better explanation than this. I haven't heard it. any, any. You know, in fact, my friend Dinesh d' Souza puts it this way. You know, Candace Owens has been pushing this nonsense for almost a year now. and somehow she has the Jews involved. It's Israel. And here's what Dinesh says. Imagine if this same evidence implicated, say, Ben Shapiro. Suppose Ben Shapiro was on the video. Suppose Ben Shapiro was seen shooting. Suppose Ben Shapiro was on the murder weapon in the casing. Suppose he had confessed, three different ways. Suppose his wife said he did it. Suppose his parents turned him in and he agreed to be turned in. Suppose his defense team doesn't cite any conspiracy theories or claims, but just tries to avoid the death penalty with Candace Owens right now be saying, oh, it's not Ben Shapiro.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I know.
>> Dave Williams: It's.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's just. I don't know what happened to her the last.
>> Wesley Wildmon: She's using the word proxy quite a bit. That's her out.
>> Tim Wildmon: what proxy?
>> Wesley Wildmon: In what way that he would. He's taken the paraphrasing hours of her. Tyler Robinson is the Tyler Robinson ball guy.
>> Tim Wildmon: But but Frank, he agreed to be the fall guy so he could go to. To the. To the electric chair. Yeah, that. That makes sense.
>> Dave Williams: No, Tim, in Utah, ironically, the death penalty punishment is by firing squad.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wow.
>> Dave Williams: Whoa.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Whoa.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, I think Frank made a good point that I have not thought about to just until you mentioned it. If. If it. If it was a proxy or whatever you want to call it. Thousands other conspiracy, and thousands of other people. At some point somebody's gonna break. To have that many people involved in something. Somebody's gonna say, I think she just
>> Tim Wildmon: must be interested in clicks and conspiracy theories.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes. Americans. Some Americans are fearful of things. They're angry about things. They're uninformed about things. And she feeds or finds a way to make a little business based on all those things.
>> Tim Wildmon: Tyler Rob. Anyway. Yeah. You know, another thing about this is the, What's the guy who killed the, United Health Care Net.
>> Dave Williams: Oh, that's Luigi. What's it Luigi Mangione. Like that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now he's pleaded guilty.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's the same. It's the same type situation. In terms of the overwhelming evidence against him, he's pretty guilty. Net. Net. Don't in any way, shape or form misunderstand what I'm about to say here. I'm not going to use the word respect, but I can. That's not even the right word. He, at least, admits to doing what he did for the And for the cause that he did it. That's right. He at least admits to that I did it because this guy was. It's evil, it's wicked. You can't be vigilantes. misunderstanding. But transfer that over to the situation with this Tyler Robinson. Same type deal, except he's trying. He killed for a cause too. According to everything we know, he wanted to take Charlie Kirk out because Charlie Kirk was promoting hate or. Right. I don't know what all he said.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, there were some, LGBTQ writings on the engraving and there's in his text, exchange. That was in There as well.
>> Tim Wildmon: But what I'm saying is, if you're going to go to that extent and then you're going to try to get off, you're not committed to your cause, because you're trying to say you should be committed to your cause and say, yeah, kill the guy. Because, A, B, and C. You see what I'm saying? I don't know if that is even relevant. Relevant to our conversation. Go ahead. Right. I mean, Frank.
>> Dave Williams: Well, yeah, none of these people are people of principle, quite obviously.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Dave Williams: Murder somebody for a cause, an innocent person for a cause. You're. You're not a person of principle anyway, so.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: Not expecting, any. Any virtue from any of these.
>> Tim Wildmon: I just think he's probably just trying to avoid the death penalty. That's probably the bottom line.
>> Dave Williams: That's what they're going to probably do today. By the way, the trial starts in 10 minutes, so please pray for Erica and her team that are there right now.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, they are? Okay.
>> Dave Williams: Earlier today. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is that taking place in Salt Lake? Is that Salt Lake City? Where is that taking place?
>> Dave Williams: It's Provo, Utah. Minutes from Salt Lake. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Salt Lake City. All right. We'll let you go, be safe through the mountains, and we'll be looking for you tonight on your YouTube channel.
>> Dave Williams: All right. Thank you, brother.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you. That's Dr. Frank Turek. They're driving through the mountains of Western Carolina. He's going to be at Western Carolina University tonight. where do you say that was, Ray? Do you remember what town? That's.
>> Tim Wildmon: no, but at home of the Catamounts. I got that much out of it.
>> Tim Wildmon: The Catamounts. That's where the Catamounts. where are.
>> Dave Williams: Where.
>> Tim Wildmon: Where's that school located?
>> Chris Woodward: And I'm about to mispronounce the name of this place.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just spell it out, Krish. I'll pronounce it for you. I got that kind of thing.
>> Chris Woodward: C, U, L, L, O, W, H,
>> Wesley Wildmon: U.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're gonna have to go a little slower than that. Go ahead. What now?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Color.
>> Chris Woodward: We see?
>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley knows.
>> Chris Woodward: L, L, O, W H, E, E. That sounds. Well, I mean, you know. You know,
>> Tim Wildmon: we.
>> Wesley Wildmon: North Carolina.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, Ray.
>> Chris Woodward: I mean, you've been in Mississippi. You know, we pronounce things. Kosciusko, for example, is not how other people might pronounce the name of that town.
>> Tim Wildmon: And let me. Let me say just one thing, Tim.
>> Tim Wildmon: a while back, I. I,
>> Tim Wildmon: was doing some kind of work for the ministry, which means I was surfing the Internet. Right. To see what I could find on that particular evening I happened upon Frank Turek. And this was at Wayne State University, this was about a little bit more than a year ago. And watched the livestream and then a few months ago I watched him again. It was the most fascinating things I ever heard. If you think Frank is good on AFR and he's amazing, you ought to watch him in front of, of of the students. He, he. Both times I watched him, he stood there, made his presentation fabulous. Right. But he stood there and took all questions from all comers and he never flinched. One of the most stunning things I have ever seen.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, I had the opportunity to go and cover his event at Ole Miss back a few days before Easter and there was a lady there that she was a self admitted atheist and she peppered him with a lot of questions but he stood his ground and he. I learned a lot just from that new hour event.
>> Tim Wildmon: Frank is one of the top Christian apologists in the world.
>> Dave Williams: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now, yes. let me just tell you folks now Frank has been, he's been a 25 year friend of mine but if you don't already you need to tune in. He does a live radio show for us right here on American Family Radio each Saturday morning it's at 9 o' clock central time. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. It's excellent. It's an hour long and then we re air it on Sunday afternoons I think at 4:00 Central time. So make sure you tune into that because Frank does that show for us. He doesn't have to, but he takes part of his Saturday morning because he wants to reach the American Family Radio listening audience to help equip us and train us and prepare us for the kind of questions we might get out there.
>> Chris Woodward: Hey, also I have shared a link to his event tonight on our Today's Issues Facebook page.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, great, great. And he'll be a western. And this is what Charlie, by the way, Charlie Kirk, learned about Frank Turek and said I've got to get in touch with this guy because he's such a good authority on defending the Bible. And so Charlie Kirk reached out, I think I got this story right to Frank Turek and said I want you to mentor me on the defense of the Bible because I'm going out to college campuses. This is Charlie Kirk all over the country debating and talking and taking questions from m, students at college campuses. Everywhere. And I want to be prepared more for my answers. I want to have good answers. he knew about politics, Charlie Kirk did, and cultural and social issues. He was already well versed on that. but the Bible, not so much. So that's why Frank was with him out in Utah when this happened because they had become such good friends. So anyway, you're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. What's next?
>> Chris Woodward: Krish, let's mention this real quick. yesterday the Trump administration announced it was shutting down 270 Commercial truck driving schools because according to the Trump administration, these schools have been handing out commercial truck driver's licenses to illegal immigrants and other people that cannot, show they are proficient in English. I've got some audio here of Transportation Secretary Shawn Duffy, followed by Vice President Vance. Clip 7.
>> Tim Wildmon: Every single illegal driver on American roads. We're gonna come for you. So maybe it's just better off cut up your commercial driver's license and find something else to do.
>> Chris Woodward: Today is about restoring the basic principle that if you want to drive a big truck on America's roads, you ought to be able to speak English, you ought to be a legal resident of
>> Dave Williams: the United States of America and you
>> Chris Woodward: ought to have basic qualifications. I got to tell you, I don't want anybody to think that's, that's in some far away state. I had a source yesterday tell me that this source was aware of a Department of Public Safety in the southeastern United States, giving out licenses to illegal immigrants.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, hold on just a minute. How many did they shut down?
>> Chris Woodward: 270.
>> Tim Wildmon: 200? You mean we have two hundred and seventy? What do they do?
>> Chris Woodward: Commercial truck driving schools.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wow. I wouldn't. Anyway, I guess in 50 states, I guess you're gonna have that many.
>> Chris Woodward: It is a big trade, school type thing that they try to market towards people that don't want to go to a university. It's a very well paying job driving a truck.
>> Tim Wildmon: So you go physically to a school though, you have, because you got to go physically learn how to drive a truck.
>> Dave Williams: Right.
>> Chris Woodward: And some one example that Transportation Secretary Duffy used yesterday, the school, and I'm using air quotes, was a bus they had in what he described as the backyard of the building.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but I stopped that, quit doing that. It was a little side gig.
>> Chris Woodward: There's your side hustle.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And I just said, you know what, this is not working because I couldn't talk to these guys, they didn't talk English, you know what I'm saying?
>> Chris Woodward: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So it's language barrier anyway. Well, good. I'm glad that you do read about this all the time. This problem of, people who are here illegally and yet they're out on our interstates and highways driving without being a, legal citizen. You just can't have that.
>> Tim Wildmon: So they're cracking down on that, is what you're saying? All right. You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. We will be back in a few minutes with Steve Paisley Giordal, and we will look back. Look to have you back then. The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of
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>> Tim Wildmon: Welcome to today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association. Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on American Family RA radio on this Tuesday, September 1st, 2026. That's right, September 1st. Our first. Whatever you prefer. And, we have in studio with me is Wesley Wildmon. Good morning, Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm glad to be here.
>> Tim Wildmon: And Krish Woodward.
>> Chris Woodward: Good morning.
>> Tim Wildmon: That was. You usually say hey.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I told. Everybody's gonna have to fight.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, tune in just one cup of coffee. So far.
>> Dave Williams: Huh?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Huh?
>> Chris Woodward: I've had probably. I'm on two and a half.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I was gonna give snore because if I. If I doze off here. I just walked across the street from our annual brunch staff. Brunch.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And I ate for three people. Well. And I didn't mean to do that. And,
>> Tim Wildmon: You did it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I did.
>> Tim Wildmon: And right before a radio show.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I know. I thought about that. So if I doze off, just shake me.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. We'll shake him, wake you up, shake, rattle and roll. I forgot all about that. What they have over there, you
>> Wesley Wildmon: name it, is a. Just a big buffet of homemade breakfast.
>> Tim Wildmon: How can I forget?
>> Wesley Wildmon: It was an email.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, can y' all do the show? I'm gonna go on.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It would be. It would. It would be worth it next year.
>> Chris Woodward: Alive.
>> Tim Wildmon: no, I can be back here at the bottom of the aisle.
>> Wesley Wildmon: now, one person that we're. That one person that's not good with us talking about this is someone who's not here, but. But with us.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. Yes. Brother Ray Pritchard. Good morning, Ray.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, would somebody please go over to the buffet?
>> Tim Wildmon: I know.
>> Tim Wildmon: Get me a plate because I haven't eaten anything yet.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, me either. And so I've been skipping breakfast, a long few years now, but, yeah, for the most part, but. But there.
>> Dave Williams: There.
>> Tim Wildmon: There are hardly three words in the English language that. That sound better to the ear than hot breakfast buffet. I'm talking. What?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Brunch.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just take a minute. Brunch. Brunch is for sissies.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. That's the way I look at it. I need a breakfast. A man's breakfast. So tell me what that break is for.
>> Tim Wildmon: People who can't make up their mind.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. Yeah, that's right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They had a big.
>> Tim Wildmon: Give me just. I know our listeners have already eaten breakfast. Go ahead and give me a, Tell me to give me three or four things we're looking at.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They had a big bowl of just freshly cooked bacon. It was perfectly cooked. Not. Not too crunchy, not too chewy.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They had a casserole, a sausage casserole. They had a, like a egg and breakfast casserole. They had biscuits from three different local restaurants here in town. They had.
>> Tim Wildmon: How did I miss this?
>> Wesley Wildmon: They had three layers of boxes of blueberry donuts.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, no.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Orange juice.
>> Tim Wildmon: Blueberry donuts. The warm blueberry donuts.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: That makes me. They make me cry.
>> Chris Woodward: I started speaking in tongues one time, and I'm about to. That's how good they were, Krish.
>> Tim Wildmon: That was a good one. Krish. Sprint. So that just started speaking in tongues.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And that's just to scratch the surface.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, wow, man. Maybe they have some left.
>> Tim Wildmon: you know, I can't believe you somehow missed this.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know what happened. I just. I think I saw the memo yesterday or something, and I just got away from you, I guess.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So you were preparing for the show,
>> Tim Wildmon: working too hard for the show, ready for this, getting ready to deliver a professional radio program right here. All right. so Dr. Frank Turek, our good friend, will be with us at the bottom of the hour. There's been a story, in the news for the last few years. Quite frankly, you'll see a story about Noah's Ark. Have they discovered. They. The, scientists, archaeologists, keep, talking about the possibility of Noah's Ark being in Turkey. And Frank Turek's actually been over there to look for it, and he's going to. We'll ask him about that at the bottom of the hour. Among other things, Frank is, home with us once a week. Ray, what do you think about, You follow that story over there?
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's your thoughts on.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, step one, we believe what the Bible says. And the Bible says it came to Noah's Ark, which was a real boat, right. Came to rest in the mountains, plural. The mountains of Ararat. Now, there is Mount Ararat, the mountain, but the Hebrew's plural. So it's either on that mountain or it's nearby. And so this, this, you know, people, they. For generations, Christian explorers have been going up and down coman the Mount Ararat, and they have found some, I would say here and there, tantalizing things. But nobody's clearly ever discovered Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat, clearly. So this place is, I think about 18 miles away. And, I wait to hear what Frank has to say, but I would rank it as a tantalizing possibility.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so we will talk about that with Frank Turk coming up at the bottom of the hour. Among other things, Krish, this, national story involving the, woman who killed her three children, she confessed to that. So that's not a layer.
>> Chris Woodward: Her lawyers do not dispute that she killed her children.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's her name?
>> Chris Woodward: Lindsey Clancy.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, it's been all over the news. People have seen that she says she and her lawyer say she has. She had What exactly what was her mental condition?
>> Chris Woodward: Postpartum psychosis has been the claim.
>> Tim Wildmon: And so therefore she was not responsible for murdering her kids because she wasn't in her right mind.
>> Chris Woodward: Correct?
>> Dave Williams: Correct.
>> Tim Wildmon: Base our right emotional state. So that's been a trial going on. Is that Massachusetts?
>> Chris Woodward: It is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so, the jury's been deliberating. What is the latest on that story?
>> Chris Woodward: They, told the judge today that they are deadlocked. They cannot reach a decision. But the judge said keep talking about it. And that is the the breaking story right now. It hit just before the show began. Fox, BBC, cnn, all the channels, have done coverage on it. We are on top of it. We have a story on AFN Net as well. they have been in and out of deliberations for about a week. we thought we would actually get some sort of decision on Friday, but the judge sent everybody home over the weekend. They came back yesterday, still no decision. And this morning they finally said we can't.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know you're not a lawyer here, but what happens if they can't reach a great question decision. Do you know?
>> Chris Woodward: The the best as I can understand it and explain it is there would be some sort of a new trial at a date to be determined.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They would go ahead with next question in the event that she is. Gets the pass, for lack of better word, of being acquitted. Acquitted. this. What's she. There starts to be some cont. Is it,
>> Tim Wildmon: Or something like that.
>> Chris Woodward: Do you know that has been one of the things that people have put out there as what the. What may happen to her if the jury were to Find her guilty that she would spend, but, what, a certain amount of time in a hospital.
>> Tim Wildmon: So you're saying, Ray, do you know any more about this than we're talking about here in terms of the. The outcome and what happened?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, well, if. Okay, if the jury. If it's a hung jury, it's a Hungary.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what. Yeah, Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, the judge is going to send them back, right? He's going to say, work harder. See if you can get to the bottom of this. But. But it may come out. I wouldn't think today, but maybe tomorrow or the next day. The jury just comes out and says, we're at loggerheads, and there is no possibility of a, of a decision. Then the jury is released, and at that point, the prosecution then has to decide, do they even want to try the case again? In this case, they certainly would. so what happened? She's in prison, right? I mean, she's. She's in custody. Right. So, what happens then? we wait for a second trial.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, is there any chance she's. She's back on the street? She's eating at Applebee's next week?
>> Chris Woodward: I think there is that chance. How likely it is is another argument. There is a difference between possible and likely.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So the details that I've been following this and the details that. In my opinion, of all the evidence, I think she is not crazy. I think she's should be tried for murder and be. And be prosecuted for murdering three children of her own. However, just for conversation here, if she. Let's play it the other way. Let's say she's, What's the technical term? I call it crazy. well, mentally ill. Let's say she's mentally ill. Okay. If you put her back out on the street and she does it again and she's still mentally ill, you can't. Either way, she can't go back out on the street.
>> Chris Woodward: I do. I do have some sort of an
>> Tim Wildmon: answer to your initial question because she's already pleaded guilty to the crimes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes. So in the event a mistrial is formally declared, meaning the jury says, we can't do this, judge. The judge says, forget it. mistrial is declared. The district attorney's office will have to decide whether to reach try the case, offer a plea bargain, or dismiss the charges. I cannot imagine any scenario where they would miss.
>> Dave Williams: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So. Yeah, Yeah, I just. What I've. The evidence. I've listened to and heard.
>> Tim Wildmon: She said she did it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: She's confessed. She did it. Yeah. I don't know. Listen, people do have, mental illnesses that cause them to do things they otherwise wouldn't do. in the same way that alcohol or drugs can lead people to doing things that they otherwise wouldn't do. Even heinous things. Now, I will say this. When it comes to alcohol and drugs, that's a voluntary choice. You choose to. You choose to turn the bottle and drink.
>> Chris Woodward: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: People might say, well, if they're an addict, they don't have a choice. I don't buy that. In terms of effects, on other people and. Or criminal actions.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But consequences aren't removed just because.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now, with mental illness, people. Ray, they go back and forth on this one. You got to have consequences for behavior.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Even if you're mentally ill. Either way, you got to. Or you just have everybody saying, what
>> Wesley Wildmon: if she does it next week to someone else?
>> Tim Wildmon: I know. You just. You can't let them off the hook. some people say, well, put them in a mental hospital, you know, instead of putting them in a jail or a prison, for example. So, I don't know what the exact right answer is on that. I just know that if you kill three kids, I don't care if you say you're crazy or I don't care if you say you're, psychotic. sure. Or not. Or not. You got it. You got to pay. The price for your, human life is valuable. Okay. And these three children are dead. Go ahead, Ray. And then we'll. We'll move on to another topic here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, the simplest thing we can say, Tim, And I agree 100% with your point that there are at least some people on the jury clearly, who bought into the theory that this woman's, you know, hearing voices. Hearing voices and all that, that somehow that is a diminished mental capacity.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So she is not responsible in the same way. But as you have said, if there are no consequences for killing your children, then everybody is going to claim.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Some form of temporary.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'll tell you one other thing. And then. Go ahead, Wesley. And then I'll tell you one other thing.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's very graphic. So, I won't go the details on radio, but if you want to. If you. If you want to know more about why I think that she should be charged with murder, you can go read how she killed them. And you can read the time lapse between each killing and how she chased one of them around the house.
>> Tim Wildmon: Did she strangle all three of them with.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. With a,
>> Tim Wildmon: No, go ahead and say it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: She strangled her three children with a exercise band from the house. And within a time period, one at a time, systematically, while one was running around screaming, she was finishing one. And then she moved on to the next. And then she moved on to the next. this is a clear case for me. I don't. I don't have anything.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're saying. You're saying somewhere along the way you would have, you know what to do. Okay. I need to get the cord. I need to strangle this first. I'm sorry. I know this is graphic, folks, and what you're saying. This. This is the details, in a sense, premeditated.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Chris Woodward: And that's why people don't buy the mentally unfit thing, because there have been claims that she investigated things, did some web searches, she sent her husband out to run some errands. A lot of things that she did.
>> Tim Wildmon: Planet.
>> Chris Woodward: That's why some people dismiss the, the psychosis aspect. Jenna actually wrote an iPad for AFN uh.net last week. And Jenna said Lindsey Clancy must be held criminally responsible for the deaths of Cora, Dawson and Kelly.
>> Tim Wildmon: I agree completely. I would anyway, knowing what I know, what you described, Wesley, how this all went down. I don't know how you don't find her guilty. but the jury may be hung. We don't know. They haven't come to an agreement. And you have to have unanimity, don't you, Ray? Doesn't have to be 100%.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think it has to be.
>> Tim Wildmon: Can't be 8 to 1 or 7 to 5 or something like that. You got to find a guilty. Find her guilty of something like that. You got to have, the jury find. Yes, in. In there, and they're all in agreement. You know, one other thing about the mental illness part, and I. I'm not saying she doesn't. You know anybody who does. What she did right here is, quote, crazy.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Quote. So, but, the. I think that's evil. What she did was evil and not crazy. And it was more evil than crazy. Crazy is you, do things that are unexplained. for example, if she goes out and howls at the moon. Okay, that's crazy. That's a mental illness. to do what she did may be a mental illness also, but it's also pure evil.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And I'll end with my.
>> Tim Wildmon: And criminal, and then we'll move on.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. And I'll end with the point that I started for argument's sake. Say she, say she's got the psychosis. All right, whatever. That doesn't change. What if she goes? If she's, if she's, if we agree that she has, that you can't go. She can't get. Like you said, she can't go to Applebee's next week and have a psychosis experience again. And then we're back here all over. No, because even if she has, in either case, she can't be left. She can't be let out.
>> Tim Wildmon: No. I know. You know. We'll see what happens. You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. Tim Westy, Krish and Ray, next story,
>> Chris Woodward: One other legal story that we have on our website.
>> Tim Wildmon: Legal stories, Krish.
>> Chris Woodward: That's what I'm here for. Dun Dun.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just. I love talking about attorneys and court cases, judges and juries. Go ahead, what you got?
>> Chris Woodward: Next in Utah will decide today if there is enough evidence to put the man accused of shooting and killing Charlie Kirk on trial for aggravated murder, which would make him eligible for the death penalty. This is the, 23 year old Tyler Robinson, who turned himself in after the shooting at Utah Valley University last September. He has not entered a plea and his lawyers have not offered alternative theories for Kirk's death. They've instead focused on blocking the case from proceeding to trial and trying to get that death penalty taken off the table. You know, Utah's, governor in the days immediately following, I think even hours after the shooting death of Charlie Kirk said the death penalty will be used in this case. And they're, they have not budged from that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, we might ask Frank about that because Frank Turek, I guess at the bottom of the hour was there when.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: As we talked about many times. But, so what they had for this alleged, killer was, a preliminary hearing. Yes, preliminary hearing. And to decide. And so the judge is going to say yes or no and going forward with the trial.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes. And I'm not sure why it's taken this long. when you, when you again, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a judge, I'm just the news guy. but they have presented a whole host of evidence, a lot of things that we've talked about on the show. He turned himself in at, no point have his parents who urged him to turn himself in ever said something like, you've got the wrong guy. None of that's ever happened.
>> Tim Wildmon: I got text.
>> Chris Woodward: They interviewed his male roommate that he had a romantic relationship with. They aired that video because the police Recorded it. That guy talked about the communications and conversations that he had with Tyler, after.
>> Tim Wildmon: There's also a video of him getting off the roof of the building.
>> Wesley Wildmon: His vehicle.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is that he's going to go to trial. That's just.
>> Chris Woodward: I would think so, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Next story.
>> Chris Woodward: All right, we do have some good news. I'm happy to bring in some good news here.
>> Tim Wildmon: They don't involve lawyers and.
>> Chris Woodward: Correct. Praise God for our first responders, because rescuers, in the last few days have saved some 80 people from those Grand Canyon floods. Two people are dead, one is missing. But again, rescuers have airlifted about 80 some odd people there to higher ground and safety, after these floods moved in. They had some really heavy rainfall on Saturday, and within minutes. I mean, you're talking about water gushing down areas that people were not expecting. A lot of people were camping, in the Grand Canyon, in this area.
>> Tim Wildmon: You've been there?
>> Tim Wildmon: I have been to the Grand Canyon. And to think, to think of the difficulty of getting down, getting down thousands of feet down to the bottom rushing river and all the rest. God bless the first responders who did that. I mean, some amazing pictures of. And video coming out of those, of those rescues.
>> Tim Wildmon: so at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, which is on my bucket list.
>> Tim Wildmon: That is going to the Grand Canyon. Allison and I talk about it every year. And then we back out because we say, oh, I don't, don't want to travel again, don't want to drive that far again. so. Because we're on the road a lot, but anyway, gonna do it one day. But the point is, at the bottom of the, Grand Canyon is Colorado River. Right, Right. So were these people, Ray, do you know, were these people camping, along the Colorado river and then the one of these monsoon type deluges, hit and causes almost instantaneous flooding. Is that.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think that's. I think that's a pretty good description.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Of what happened. And imagine, Tim, you're with the rescue people on the top, and in the midst of that, you got to get down to the bottom. Several thousand feet.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. I mean, how do you do that? Helicopters, maybe. Helicopters, I guess. Yeah. You know, another thing is, and I'm not faulting anybody by any stretch of imagination, but, it does make you wonder with all the, weather model models that we have now, and, you can look on your phone and tell what's going to happen in the next 15 minutes or 30 minutes or an hour. It just, seems odd. To me that this kind of thing could spring up as a surprise on campers, you know what I'm saying? Not that flash flooding doesn't happen, that's why it's called flash flooding. But to not say, okay, you have the ability to escape, in case of a flash flood by going over here or over there and you have communication with your phone.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You know, then you got people like me that's like, nah, it's not gonna happen.
>> Chris Woodward: Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's right. That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Who just goes, what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you would think, and I don't know what all the circumstances were here, but you would think you would get a flash flood warning probably, you know, half an hour in advance of it actually reaching your site. But again, it may. I don't know what the weather conditions were. May have been just a torrential, obviously was a torrential downpour that. And they had what they call monsoon season, the American Southwest. And these thunderstorms just drop inches of rain in hours.
>> Chris Woodward: I was actually in the, Grand Canyon area back in this time in 2021. we had gone to the Grand Canyon, and at one point we stopped to get some gas. This is, after dark, and we're kind of on a gas station on a hill, and it had been raining pretty hard. And then the weather alert went across about a flash full of warning. And I looked, we're staying safely under the big awning at the gas station next to the pump. And I look on the road, which is on a incline or decline, and water is just flowing, down that road. so, I mean, I guess, like,
>> Tim Wildmon: because it doesn't sink in the grass and the ground like it does here where we live. If, not that we don't have flooding, but in the, If you get, you know, if you get where you have a lot of rain, we get like 60 inches a year here where we live. Then, you know, your grass is going to grow and it's going to soak. But you get somewhere like the desert or prairie where the rain just, doesn't soak, it just runs off. So that's the reason it can happen so fast. All right, let's take our break a little early here, and then, we will be back with Dr. Frank Turek coming up momentarily. We thank you for listening to today's issues here on the American Family Radio Network. We'll be back in a few moments.
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>> Tim Wildmon: Greece and Italy. We're going there in the spring of 2027. Hello, everyone. I'm Tim Wildmon, president of American Family association and American Family Radio. My sons Walker and Wesley are going to be leading a tour of Greece which includes, many of the sites found in the book of Acts where Paul traveled. And then we, call it the Footsteps of Paul. And then we're going to Italy. By we, I mean Allison. My wife and I are leading a group to Italy to see the sights of, that great country, including Rome. We're going to visit Rome and that'll take a couple, three days to see all that's in Rome. And so we're going to visit the Sistine Chapel. Michelangelo, you may have heard of him, he was a slightly better than average artist. So we're going to be going there. If you want all the information on our tours of, Italy and Greece, go to tours.afa.net that's tours.afa.net give thanks
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>> Tim Wildmon: This is today's issues. Email your comments to commentsfr.net Past broadcast of today's issues are available for listening and viewing in the [email protected]. now back to more of today's issues. Hey, welcome back everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Today's Issues, the name of this here show. I'm Tim With Wesley and Krish and Ray. Ray's in Florida and we're in Mississippi. And, we're gonna stay in the south and go over to North Carolina and talk to our good friend Dr. Frank Turek. How you doing, Frank?
>> Dave Williams: we're heading up to Western Carolina University tonight for our first college event, Tim. It's going to be 7pm up here in Western Carolina. It's in Waynesville, North Carolina. But it's also live streamed. If they go to our Cross Examined YouTube channel, they can see it live streamed at 7pm tonight. We'll include a lot of Q and A too.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, what seven o' clock Eastern or Central?
>> Dave Williams: Eastern. B6 Central. Okay, Eastern, 6 Central.
>> Tim Wildmon: And what channel to go visit?
>> Dave Williams: Go to The Cross Examined YouTube channel. Two words, Cross Examined. You'll see it there.
>> Tim Wildmon: And you're gonna live stream?
>> Dave Williams: Yes, sir. That's the plan. So is the plan. We want it. We reach a lot more people online, obviously, than in person. We'll have a few hundred there tonight.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right?
>> Dave Williams: Hopefully. And then we'll reach a lot more online set.
>> Tim Wildmon: the Western Carolina. Is that the Catamounts?
>> Dave Williams: it. Oh, you mean their name?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Dave Williams: Oh, man, you're putting me on the spot now, bro. I can't.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's why I'm here.
>> Dave Williams: Mascot.
>> Chris Woodward: I'm looking at it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Dave Williams: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you're gonna go their campus, you got to know the name of their.
>> Dave Williams: I gotta know the name. Look it up.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. It's a cat amount. It's a cat. Tim was right. There's catamount.
>> Dave Williams: You're right, you're right, you're right. Now I'm googling.
>> Chris Woodward: What is a catamount now?
>> Wesley Wildmon: What is it?
>> Tim Wildmon: Catamount.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Is that like just like a bobcat in it?
>> Chris Woodward: It's a wild. It's a wild meat eating cat.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's a cougar.
>> Dave Williams: It's just like a. What's a buckeye? Nobody knows.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, that's what Yankees call cockle barrels.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. What now? yeah, from Krish.
>> Chris Woodward: No, no. A buckeye is like, it's very similar to the thing that southerners call a cockle barrel.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, I thought you said Yankees like the NewSong York Yankees.
>> Chris Woodward: No, no.
>> Tim Wildmon: Like over the baseball.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: No. Yes or no? you know, we wandered.
>> Chris Woodward: Not the baseball team.
>> Tim Wildmon: We had a path. We were headed down for this show and we've, we've veered right and we've taken, we've taken a detour.
>> Chris Woodward: A buckeye is a glossy brown nut that falls from a tree in Ohio.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're like going way off.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm sorry. I got buckeye trees at the hunting property I have.
>> Tim Wildmon: By the way, when you guys get through talking about buckeye, we're going to get back on topic here, but what do you.
>> Wesley Wildmon: What chat, man, is a cougar.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's a cougar.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Catamount. That's what I said.
>> Chris Woodward: Well, catamount sounds cooler because.
>> Tim Wildmon: But they probably had those. They may be native to the Carolinas here. I don't know.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah, sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so. Right. Frank, yeah. This story about every two months or whatever, the Daily Mail, which I read, it's a tabloid, but it has a lot of good news and information there. But they throw this Noah's Ark story out, you know, and get. They get me to click on it because I want to see what the latest is. So what do you. What do you tell us? What you. You went over there in search of Noah's Ark?
>> Dave Williams: I went to Iran 20 years ago because the Bible does not say that the Noah's Ark came to rest on the mountain on Mount Ararat. It says the mountains of Ararat.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.
>> Dave Williams: And that can be an area, which includes Iran. Mount Ararat was named about 1200 A.D. okay. Now if that's the mountain it came down on, okay. But I'm not so sure that is the true place. I think it's probably further east than that into Iran because that's the mountains of Ararat. Now, I see the story you're looking at, and I'm not an expert on that site, but I've been told by people who are experts it's not true. Okay. I don't have the details on it, but it's probably not the site.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I have to change my flight then, because I was. I'd already. I'd already booked it and planned everything, but thank you for telling me I'm going to see nothing.
>> Dave Williams: that's right. You're going to see a mountain. That's what you're going to see.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, well, I'll make the best of it, I guess. I had a donkey, you know, a guide with a donkey.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You were gonna do some back?
>> Tim Wildmon: I was gonna do the back of the donkey. You know, let's talk about for just a moment, because there are people listening to us right now who maybe don't, necessarily believe in the biblical account of Noah. And I mean, let's face it, there's no other story in the Bible that use more in children's books. And, you go in any church nursery in America, we got Noah's Ark sitting over there in the corner with all the little giraffes and you know, all the little animals, as many you get. So I want you first Frank, and then Ray, to talk about this story in the Bible, because could it. You really believe, Frank, you really believe that we had a man named Noah and he had his family on board an ark that he built by hand that was so big that it carried two by two animals on board and they floated around out there on a flooded earth for 40 days. And do you believe that's really. You believe the literal, you believe that literal story?
>> Dave Williams: I got no problem believing it. And I'll tell you why. Because it's not even all that impressive when you compare it to the greatest miracle in the Bible. The greatest miracle in the Bible is the first verse. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. If that verse is true, Tim, every other verse in the Bible is at least believable. And the interesting thing now is even atheists are admitting the universe had a beginning. of course they don't think it's God, but what else could it be if space, time and matter had a beginning out of nothing? Whatever created space, time and matter must transcend space, time and matter. In other words, the cause must be at least faceless, timeless, immaterial.
>> Tim Wildmon: I was gonna tell you what, you turn your back on a catamount and that's what, that's what's gonna happen. Frank, just what happened? yeah, you. You went around a mountain or something. I don't know. Go ahead.
>> Dave Williams: All right, well, yeah, I am up in the North Carolina mountains, but I. If space, time and matter had a beginning, the cause must at least be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, personal and intelligent to create this universe nothing. And in a fine tuned way. So if Genesis 1:1 is true, right? No, it's easy to believe. And by the way, so is Jonah, and so is the resurrection and every other miracle in the Bible, because the greatest miracle, the creation of the universe out of nothing, has already occurred. Also, I would add that every ancient civilization has a great flood story. Gee, I wonder why. Maybe because there was a great flood.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yep. by the way, people don't email me because I believe the biblical account. Like, like Frank just said, when you question the stories of the Bible, then I have to say we are talking about God here, you know, so as Frank said, so the Red Sea parting and the Hebrew people going through it is nothing for God because He created the planet. Okay, so, Ray, you comment, and then Wesley, comment. Go ahead.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, everything Frank said, 1, 1000% Frank. Thank you for being so clear. And I think you're standing it. You're putting the argument in the right place. The issue isn't really Noah's flood. The issue is, do we believe Genesis 1? What? In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. So there's really no problem with the idea of the animals coming in two by two. If God created the world, he could certainly do that. There's no problem with the gopher wood. I saw a discussion today. Exactly what was gopher wood? I don't know if we know for sure the answer, but whatever it was, God can create it. Noah could find it. He and his sons could build the ark, and it could float. If Genesis 1:1 is true, then we shouldn't have any trouble with the concept of a universal flood. Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I was going to ask, Dr. Frank, remind me, how many days did it take to build the ark, and what are some, key evidences that we have of how he built the ark? Because that is probably one of the more fascinating portions of the story for me personally, because nowadays we have all these heavy equipment, machinery, and things can be done in such a short time. but to think about the size of the ark that it was built, and it was built by hand, that part is a little bit harder to
>> Dave Williams: swallow, if I remember rightly. I want to say it's 120 years. maybe you guys could check me on that, since I'm in a car right now and I can't access it. I thought it was a long time. But I think we do know, Ray, what gopher wood was. It's when Noah said to his sons, hey, go for wood.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're gonna be here all week, folks.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hunter, how many years?
>> Dave Williams: 120. What was it, by the way? Yeah, have you guys been to the ark encounter in, in Kentucky?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes, we've been a couple of times. And we're going back again.
>> Dave Williams: Yeah. I mean, that is incredibly impressive. I don't agree with Ken Ham on everything, but that was. That's an impressive feat right there. It.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Absolutely.
>> Dave Williams: You gotta go see that. And they answer all these questions, you know, could they all fit on the ark? And, you know, what about food and all that? It's all there. It's. It's amazing.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right.
>> Tim Wildmon: so, let's see here. Anything else? Do you want to comment at all on situation with the man, who was Arrested for killing Charlie Kirk since you were there.
>> Dave Williams: Yeah. In fact, I'm going to be talking about that tonight at Western Carolina University. Again, people can watch it live streamed on our YouTube channel. Cross examine YouTube channel. But let me just say this. if Tyler Robinson is not really the killer of Charlie Kirk, would we have the following evidence? Would we have video of him on campus? Not just on campus, but actually shooting? Would we have his DNA on the murder weapon, the casing and other items? In fact, one of the experts at the trial says it's a trillion to one odds, it's not him. Right. You know?
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: would we have three confessions, one by text, one by a written letter and one verbally? Would we have the testimony of his lover, confirming all this? Would his parents have turned him in? And would he agree to be turned in if he was not the killer? And would that his defense team not dispute the evidence or cite any so called conspiracy claims? Would they, would they just try and avoid the death penalty? Which is. They're trying to, trying to do that now. That's probably what they're going to try and do today. They're going to try and push back on the aggravated assault charge because that's, that, that's what brings the death penalty. Not just the murder, but that he put other people in jeopardy when he, when he murdered Charlie. Would any of that evidence exist if he was not the killer?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: And the answer, the answer is no. None of this evidence would exist if he was not the killer. You say it was all planted. You got to have thousands of people in on this conspiracy to say that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: You would have to have thousands. That's impossible.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: Okay. It's nonsense to say these conspiracy theories are true.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Dave Williams: He's going to get a fair trial. He's innocent until proven guilty. But to suggest that he is not the killer and there's some better explanation than this. I haven't heard it. any, any. You know, in fact, my friend Dinesh d' Souza puts it this way. You know, Candace Owens has been pushing this nonsense for almost a year now. and somehow she has the Jews involved. It's Israel. And here's what Dinesh says. Imagine if this same evidence implicated, say, Ben Shapiro. Suppose Ben Shapiro was on the video. Suppose Ben Shapiro was seen shooting. Suppose Ben Shapiro was on the murder weapon in the casing. Suppose he had confessed, three different ways. Suppose his wife said he did it. Suppose his parents turned him in and he agreed to be turned in. Suppose his defense team doesn't cite any conspiracy theories or claims, but just tries to avoid the death penalty with Candace Owens right now be saying, oh, it's not Ben Shapiro.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I know.
>> Dave Williams: It's.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's just. I don't know what happened to her the last.
>> Wesley Wildmon: She's using the word proxy quite a bit. That's her out.
>> Tim Wildmon: what proxy?
>> Wesley Wildmon: In what way that he would. He's taken the paraphrasing hours of her. Tyler Robinson is the Tyler Robinson ball guy.
>> Tim Wildmon: But but Frank, he agreed to be the fall guy so he could go to. To the. To the electric chair. Yeah, that. That makes sense.
>> Dave Williams: No, Tim, in Utah, ironically, the death penalty punishment is by firing squad.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wow.
>> Dave Williams: Whoa.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Whoa.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, I think Frank made a good point that I have not thought about to just until you mentioned it. If. If it. If it was a proxy or whatever you want to call it. Thousands other conspiracy, and thousands of other people. At some point somebody's gonna break. To have that many people involved in something. Somebody's gonna say, I think she just
>> Tim Wildmon: must be interested in clicks and conspiracy theories.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes. Americans. Some Americans are fearful of things. They're angry about things. They're uninformed about things. And she feeds or finds a way to make a little business based on all those things.
>> Tim Wildmon: Tyler Rob. Anyway. Yeah. You know, another thing about this is the, What's the guy who killed the, United Health Care Net.
>> Dave Williams: Oh, that's Luigi. What's it Luigi Mangione. Like that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now he's pleaded guilty.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's the same. It's the same type situation. In terms of the overwhelming evidence against him, he's pretty guilty. Net. Net. Don't in any way, shape or form misunderstand what I'm about to say here. I'm not going to use the word respect, but I can. That's not even the right word. He, at least, admits to doing what he did for the And for the cause that he did it. That's right. He at least admits to that I did it because this guy was. It's evil, it's wicked. You can't be vigilantes. misunderstanding. But transfer that over to the situation with this Tyler Robinson. Same type deal, except he's trying. He killed for a cause too. According to everything we know, he wanted to take Charlie Kirk out because Charlie Kirk was promoting hate or. Right. I don't know what all he said.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, there were some, LGBTQ writings on the engraving and there's in his text, exchange. That was in There as well.
>> Tim Wildmon: But what I'm saying is, if you're going to go to that extent and then you're going to try to get off, you're not committed to your cause, because you're trying to say you should be committed to your cause and say, yeah, kill the guy. Because, A, B, and C. You see what I'm saying? I don't know if that is even relevant. Relevant to our conversation. Go ahead. Right. I mean, Frank.
>> Dave Williams: Well, yeah, none of these people are people of principle, quite obviously.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Dave Williams: Murder somebody for a cause, an innocent person for a cause. You're. You're not a person of principle anyway, so.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Dave Williams: Not expecting, any. Any virtue from any of these.
>> Tim Wildmon: I just think he's probably just trying to avoid the death penalty. That's probably the bottom line.
>> Dave Williams: That's what they're going to probably do today. By the way, the trial starts in 10 minutes, so please pray for Erica and her team that are there right now.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, they are? Okay.
>> Dave Williams: Earlier today. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is that taking place in Salt Lake? Is that Salt Lake City? Where is that taking place?
>> Dave Williams: It's Provo, Utah. Minutes from Salt Lake. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Salt Lake City. All right. We'll let you go, be safe through the mountains, and we'll be looking for you tonight on your YouTube channel.
>> Dave Williams: All right. Thank you, brother.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you. That's Dr. Frank Turek. They're driving through the mountains of Western Carolina. He's going to be at Western Carolina University tonight. where do you say that was, Ray? Do you remember what town? That's.
>> Tim Wildmon: no, but at home of the Catamounts. I got that much out of it.
>> Tim Wildmon: The Catamounts. That's where the Catamounts. where are.
>> Dave Williams: Where.
>> Tim Wildmon: Where's that school located?
>> Chris Woodward: And I'm about to mispronounce the name of this place.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just spell it out, Krish. I'll pronounce it for you. I got that kind of thing.
>> Chris Woodward: C, U, L, L, O, W, H,
>> Wesley Wildmon: U.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're gonna have to go a little slower than that. Go ahead. What now?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Color.
>> Chris Woodward: We see?
>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley knows.
>> Chris Woodward: L, L, O, W H, E, E. That sounds. Well, I mean, you know. You know,
>> Tim Wildmon: we.
>> Wesley Wildmon: North Carolina.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, Ray.
>> Chris Woodward: I mean, you've been in Mississippi. You know, we pronounce things. Kosciusko, for example, is not how other people might pronounce the name of that town.
>> Tim Wildmon: And let me. Let me say just one thing, Tim.
>> Tim Wildmon: a while back, I. I,
>> Tim Wildmon: was doing some kind of work for the ministry, which means I was surfing the Internet. Right. To see what I could find on that particular evening I happened upon Frank Turek. And this was at Wayne State University, this was about a little bit more than a year ago. And watched the livestream and then a few months ago I watched him again. It was the most fascinating things I ever heard. If you think Frank is good on AFR and he's amazing, you ought to watch him in front of, of of the students. He, he. Both times I watched him, he stood there, made his presentation fabulous. Right. But he stood there and took all questions from all comers and he never flinched. One of the most stunning things I have ever seen.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, I had the opportunity to go and cover his event at Ole Miss back a few days before Easter and there was a lady there that she was a self admitted atheist and she peppered him with a lot of questions but he stood his ground and he. I learned a lot just from that new hour event.
>> Tim Wildmon: Frank is one of the top Christian apologists in the world.
>> Dave Williams: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now, yes. let me just tell you folks now Frank has been, he's been a 25 year friend of mine but if you don't already you need to tune in. He does a live radio show for us right here on American Family Radio each Saturday morning it's at 9 o' clock central time. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. It's excellent. It's an hour long and then we re air it on Sunday afternoons I think at 4:00 Central time. So make sure you tune into that because Frank does that show for us. He doesn't have to, but he takes part of his Saturday morning because he wants to reach the American Family Radio listening audience to help equip us and train us and prepare us for the kind of questions we might get out there.
>> Chris Woodward: Hey, also I have shared a link to his event tonight on our Today's Issues Facebook page.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, great, great. And he'll be a western. And this is what Charlie, by the way, Charlie Kirk, learned about Frank Turek and said I've got to get in touch with this guy because he's such a good authority on defending the Bible. And so Charlie Kirk reached out, I think I got this story right to Frank Turek and said I want you to mentor me on the defense of the Bible because I'm going out to college campuses. This is Charlie Kirk all over the country debating and talking and taking questions from m, students at college campuses. Everywhere. And I want to be prepared more for my answers. I want to have good answers. he knew about politics, Charlie Kirk did, and cultural and social issues. He was already well versed on that. but the Bible, not so much. So that's why Frank was with him out in Utah when this happened because they had become such good friends. So anyway, you're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. What's next?
>> Chris Woodward: Krish, let's mention this real quick. yesterday the Trump administration announced it was shutting down 270 Commercial truck driving schools because according to the Trump administration, these schools have been handing out commercial truck driver's licenses to illegal immigrants and other people that cannot, show they are proficient in English. I've got some audio here of Transportation Secretary Shawn Duffy, followed by Vice President Vance. Clip 7.
>> Tim Wildmon: Every single illegal driver on American roads. We're gonna come for you. So maybe it's just better off cut up your commercial driver's license and find something else to do.
>> Chris Woodward: Today is about restoring the basic principle that if you want to drive a big truck on America's roads, you ought to be able to speak English, you ought to be a legal resident of
>> Dave Williams: the United States of America and you
>> Chris Woodward: ought to have basic qualifications. I got to tell you, I don't want anybody to think that's, that's in some far away state. I had a source yesterday tell me that this source was aware of a Department of Public Safety in the southeastern United States, giving out licenses to illegal immigrants.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, hold on just a minute. How many did they shut down?
>> Chris Woodward: 270.
>> Tim Wildmon: 200? You mean we have two hundred and seventy? What do they do?
>> Chris Woodward: Commercial truck driving schools.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wow. I wouldn't. Anyway, I guess in 50 states, I guess you're gonna have that many.
>> Chris Woodward: It is a big trade, school type thing that they try to market towards people that don't want to go to a university. It's a very well paying job driving a truck.
>> Tim Wildmon: So you go physically to a school though, you have, because you got to go physically learn how to drive a truck.
>> Dave Williams: Right.
>> Chris Woodward: And some one example that Transportation Secretary Duffy used yesterday, the school, and I'm using air quotes, was a bus they had in what he described as the backyard of the building.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but I stopped that, quit doing that. It was a little side gig.
>> Chris Woodward: There's your side hustle.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And I just said, you know what, this is not working because I couldn't talk to these guys, they didn't talk English, you know what I'm saying?
>> Chris Woodward: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So it's language barrier anyway. Well, good. I'm glad that you do read about this all the time. This problem of, people who are here illegally and yet they're out on our interstates and highways driving without being a, legal citizen. You just can't have that.
>> Tim Wildmon: So they're cracking down on that, is what you're saying? All right. You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. We will be back in a few minutes with Steve Paisley Giordal, and we will look back. Look to have you back then. The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of
>> Jeff Chamblee: the American Family association or American Family Radio.
In this episode, we address the profound emotional impact of reproductive loss and the journey towards healing. Host Tim Wildmon, along with co-hosts Wesley Wildmon and Chris Woodward, discuss current issues, including the ongoing trial of Lindsey Clancy, who faces charges for the tragic deaths of her children. They explore the complexities of mental health in legal contexts and the implications of postpartum psychosis. Additionally, Dr. Frank Turek joins the conversation to delve into the search for Noah's Ark and the significance of biblical narratives in contemporary discussions. Tune in for a thought-provoking dialogue that intertwines faith, law, and personal stories.
Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(00:30) Discussion on Reproductive Loss
(10:00) Lindsey Clancy Trial Update
(25:00) Dr. Frank Turek on Noah's Ark
(40:00) Closing Thoughts
In this episode, we address the profound emotional impact of reproductive loss and the journey towards healing. Host Tim Wildmon, along with co-hosts Wesley Wildmon and Chris Woodward, discuss current issues, including the ongoing trial of Lindsey Clancy, who faces charges for the tragic deaths of her children. They explore the complexities of mental health in legal contexts and the implications of postpartum psychosis. Additionally, Dr. Frank Turek joins the conversation to delve into the search for Noah's Ark and the significance of biblical narratives in contemporary discussions. Tune in for a thought-provoking dialogue that intertwines faith, law, and personal stories.
Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(00:30) Discussion on Reproductive Loss
(10:00) Lindsey Clancy Trial Update
(25:00) Dr. Frank Turek on Noah's Ark
(40:00) Closing Thoughts
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