Tim Wildman welcomes back American Family Association president Tony Battagliano
>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon. president of the American Family Association.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Bill battle.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to AFR. Be here for another 24 and a half minutes. I'm, Tim Wildmon with Wesley Wildmon and, oh, Tony Battagliano. And now joining us also in studio is Steve Paisley Jordal.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody. I'm glad to see you. Tony, I'm glad you're here.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, I'm glad.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm glad. Sorry. Tony. Tony. Tony's gonna be making more and more appearances on this, show.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's not that his dad did anything wrong. Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, no. Ed. His dad's, you know, he's out gallivanting at the beach or something like that.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: so, no, Ed took a little break and be back next week. And Tony will be,
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's why he's filling it.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Nobody's done anything wrong.
>> Tim Wildmon: No. Tony will be here next week to grow in the bench when we're gallivanting at the beach. I'll be here and you'll be here. Working, slaving.
>> Wesley Wildmon: My word is m. Lately has been. Yours is gallivant. Mine's been meandering.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'd like meandering. You can gallivant and meander at the same time, though.
>> Steve Jordahl: Gallivanting has purpose than meandering.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, right. You gallivant. You're headed somewhere in life. You know, you want to gallivant through life. You don't want to have a meandering attitude.
>> Steve Jordahl: Meandering is. Will get you there maybe eventually.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I've traveled a good bit with our team, some of our staff here for different AFA events lately. Tony oversees the security operations. And so if you would humor me here and just go around some of the security team and just use the word meandering a couple bit, because I got to the point where I did it just to get their attention. We were traveling.
>> Tim Wildmon: You want to go meander?
>> Wesley Wildmon: I was. I got to the point where I was creating ways just to use the.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Word starts making them sweat. No, no, no, no. We've got to go here and here.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, I mostly was talking about the obnoxiousness of me saying it. I know it was getting annoying.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Joe Biden used to meander, right. His staffers try to catch a meandering. They're going to.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They're going to know you. They're going to know either I put you up to that or I'm rubbing.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Off one of the two.
Steve Wildmon has some great tours lined up for the year 2026
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, let me real quickly tell folks and then we'll get to Steve's news storyline up here. But we got some tours, lined up for the year 2026 and I know a lot of people make travel plans, you know, six, eight, ten months out in advance. You have to get off work or whatever the case may be, make, make plans. We've got a, list, of tours that we're taking. We're going to go in in June and September. We're taking a Christian, heritage tour of Washington D.C. our nation's capital, and also Mount Vernon, George Washington's Mount Vernon. Then we're going also to Colonial Williamsburg, Jamestown and Yorktown. So much history there and you can see God's hand in our country. We're going to eat good and laugh and have a wonderful time. So if you want to travel with Christians on some of these tours, those two tours are available. Also Wesley and Walker are leading our another Boston area tour coming up in September.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yep, that's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Yeah, you already got registrations for that, by the way. I saw that today.
>> Wesley Wildmon: People already signed up. I mean it filled up last,
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, three months in advance. So, so, and then we've got Israel and Greece, Wesley and Walker going to Greece. The footsteps of Paul Allison, My wife and I are going over to Israel again in March. I don't think we got like, but 10 seats left on that Israel trip.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Israel's got about 10 seats left. We've got about 15 or 20,
>> Tim Wildmon: On the Greece tour.
>> Wesley Wildmon: On the Greece tour. And the reason those two, we need to stop there and emphasize those. Because the Registration deadline is the 1st of December. I believe in that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Or sooner depending on it. If we get full.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, if you want details about dates, the itinerary, what all is going to be happening, check it out. here's the website for any of the tours that I just mentioned coming up in 2026, go to wildmon group.com wildmon m group.com wildmon group.com and everything you need to know is there.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And we look forward to the fellowship. a lot of the idea, A lot of ideas that we get for things that we do around the office come from sitting.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Eating and fellowshipping with our listeners are supported. So. And it's more than one night too. So a lot of nights, a lot of days of being on a bus with.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, we've done the one Night Israel tour and it's just a lot to squeeze in. You know what I'm saying? People, people did complain. People in pajamas everywhere, they're in their pajamas. You hit the ground, you try to take it as much as you can, you know, and only stay one night. But, it just didn't work. It didn't work for us. I'm not saying it can't work for others.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You couldn't even watch a video in one night that would cover all that. You cover.
>> Tim Wildmon: We tried it out of that, you.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Tried Paul's Journey, where you go by boat and foot everywhere. Also too long.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: And people complaining. I didn't bring the right shoes for this 30 mile track. And I'm going like, it's not miles over here. It's right meters. You need to get your math right before you start complaining.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And then the on and off of the camel.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. On and off of the donkey.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Whatever, whatever.
>> Tony Vitagliano: The deep to the islands, whatever kind.
>> Tim Wildmon: Of biblical animal you can get on, you have to get off of it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
Council on American and Islamic Relations is giving money to anti-Semitic agitators
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Steve, what's your first story?
>> Steve Jordahl: I just got to say I have more than a feeling the Boston trip is going to be very good for you, though.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know what you did there. Wesley probably does. Tony does, because he had to grow up with it.
>> Tony Vitagliano: That's right.
>> Steve Jordahl: M. All right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Classic 70s rock there. Brought you by Steve Jordan, one of.
>> Steve Jordahl: The best bands ever.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you guys, Steve, Amanda Jordan.
>> Steve Jordahl: Amanda.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just look it up, okay? Amanda's a song by said group.
>> Tony Vitagliano: All right, I see what.
>> Tim Wildmon: You see what they did there.
>> Steve Jordahl: We'll have to look it up. you might remember in the, wake of the terrible, October 7th terrorist attack in Israel, that, anti Israel, sentiment exploded on American college campuses. Columbia, among others. And students, started taking over buildings and harassing Jewish students. And, some even went so far as to get disciplined by their schools, kicked out of college if they, like took over a building or did something that was against the rules and the college decided to force it. Well, the group care, which is the Council on, American and Islamic Relations, has decided to cut some of these children, babies, these anti Semites checks. They're getting $1,000 checks. Some of these are to, make up for the fact that they got kicked out, lost scholarships, lost job offers. So CARE is cutting thousand dollar checks to some of the agitators who've been disciplined by colleges. Kind of reminds me of the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund. so I don't know, what do you all think about, them getting rewarded for their anti Semitism.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I think it should be illegal.
>> Tim Wildmon: Care.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, care. Giving money out to support.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that, you know, that does. That's an indictment against them as a so called peaceful, group.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Well, didn't.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're paying money. You're paying money for people to act out on their anti Semitism.
>> Tony Vitagliano: So, you know, they have a, A, first amendment right to, to, you know, to say what they want to say. If they want to speak out against, obviously violence is a whole nother issue. and care. Can we all know who CARE is at this point? Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: some people listening don't know.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Well, Governor Abbott just designated them, and the Muslim Brotherhood as terrorist groups. So there you go. You can see where their allegiance lies. So if they giving money to these, agitators or these people got kicked out of campuses, I think that just tracks as to who they are.
>> Steve Jordahl: The California chapter of care, which is kind of cutting most of these checks, raised $164,000 for this purpose. In other to support or to pay some of these college agitators.
>> Tim Wildmon: A lot of these people on the left who are Rent a protester.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And they also, a lot of them are at the same rallies. They say, you know, one rally they go to this rally and then they go to. It's a, it's a business, you know, it's free enterprise. You have to rent a protester. And they.
>> Steve Jordahl: There's actually a group called Rent A. Rent a Crowd.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I think it's called Rent a Crowd.
>> Tim Wildmon: I've used them.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: For how?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, for one of, our baseball games. You don't know this, do you?
>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't know this. Keep going.
>> Tim Wildmon: I read it. I rented some fans for your team.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, I'm track.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I didn't know where you're going with.
>> Tim Wildmon: Make the crowd bigger than the other teams. Paid them a little bit.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Fill up the tours.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, next story. Steve.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. There you go.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right. and this is good. I'm glad Tony's here to talk about this because they're here too.
Chatbots are often trained to provide an answer rather than admit uncertainty
Researchers are talking about, what they're calling hallucinations with ChatGPT or with chatbots. So a Deakin University study found that when they were talking about mental health literature, they tasked CHAT GPT to, write six literature reviews on mental health topics. They found that half of of the references that ChatGPT gave them were made up. And they just were making stuff up that. It's called hallucinations. They will give you the wrong Answers. I looked this up. Chatbots. And this is where they say hallucinations come from. Tony, I'd love to get your thoughts on this. Chatbots are often trained to provide an answer rather than admit uncertainty. And they are rewarded for, generating plausible text even if it's incorrect. Therefore, they are conditioned to fill the gaps with made up information instead of admitting ignorance. This is a phenomenon known as hallucinations. Got to be careful when you're using chatbots, huh? Huh?
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, I mean, they are. They're trained by people and part now they've been trained for years. So I'm not going to take away from the hard work and the effort and the amazing, technology that's gone into it, but they have been trained for years off of human interaction. So positive or negative reinforcement on an answer that's provided by the AI when asked a question, and then corrections that are given. But you're right, this doesn't surprise me because they are by default designed to give you an answer or, or at least somewhere, you know, close to an answer. It doesn't do any good. People are going to stop using an AI if the AI is like me when my wife asked me, you know, did you do the dishes? You know, I forgot, or I don't know. I mean, no one's going to use an AI that's just like, I don't know. That's a good question. People are going to stop using it. So it's trained to give an answer. And, however, it doesn't take away from the fact that that's a scary. That's an awful high percentage, especially when it comes to topics like mental health. you know, we have people going to an AI asking questions about their mental health and treatment options. What, you know, give me a diagnosis. that's not, that's not a subject, you want to be hallucinating.
>> Steve Jordahl: We're hearing a lot of advances in AI medicine. In other words, diagnosis, help with surgeries. That's another area that I would really quite. And if that's. If they're hallucinating, giving me a, diagnosis or what medicine I need to take.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, to me that's the most.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sorry.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I was going to ask who gets blamed here if they get it wrong is AI gets blamed, who's held accountable?
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, I don't know if there's been a legal test, to this. We keep thinking. I keep thinking in my mind, well, they're embarrassed if they don't know. So they're going to make something up so they don't look bad. There's no emotion going on here though, right Tony?
>> Tony Vitagliano: No, no, there's no emotion. It's just. It's a matter of the perception of quality of the product you're using, right. If something keeps coming back to you saying they don't know, to me, to your point Steve, that would be the more concerning. I'm not so concerned about a a student who's working on their PhD or their thesis going to chat GPT and, and they get some wrong info. You know, when they're writing a paper that's not so much concerning to me. You're using it, you know, as an information source. It could be wrong. What is more concerning to me is if we start looking to AI for medical diagnosis and even recommendations of treatment, you definitely don't want to get a misdiagnosis from an AI.
>> Steve Jordahl: let me ask you this. What types of queries for ChatGPT or from chatbots would you feel most comfortable doing? Is there a certain topic like data, tell me the population of Cambodia or something like that? Probably get that, right?
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, historical, geopolitical, political science. Anything where there is solid, concrete, documentation readily available that the AI can access. those are all safe, safe topics in my opinion and in my experience. technology questions also it's, I've used it for troubleshooting multiple times. I would, I tend to stay away from like medical or you know, I would say away from mental health recommendations. you know. Yeah, all the questions I've asked them about my mental health. Poor answers. But that, that's yeah engineering questions.
>> Steve Jordahl: How you know, what kind of load does this bridge hold that I don't.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Want structural ah, engineers asking Chad GPT when they're out on the field. You know, how much weight can this.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
Steve Malt: I'm having trouble telling fact from fiction as a reporter
>> Steve Jordahl: I have another question if I may for on kind of a related topic.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'll just wait. No, I'll just wait right here. No, I don't mean anything about that. I'm just saying. You asked me you want to continue and I'm just saying yes, go right ahead. You and Tony and yeah, I'd like.
>> Steve Jordahl: To your information on this too. Tim. Is there What I'm having trouble with as a reporter now is telling fact from fiction. When it comes to like some of these videos or some of these news stories that are sometimes made up. Is that video of President Trump throwing an ice cream cone at Joe Biden, Is that made up AI or is it real? is there any software that you guys know about that would be able to, fact check a video or a legitimate claim, a journalistic claim?
>> Tim Wildmon: you asked Tony that. Because I just believe everything. Yeah, until I've proven otherwise, I just, I believe everything.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I assume the best in everybody.
>> Tony Vitagliano: There are, there are, there are sites out there that, you can submit AI images or videos to that will, will check it.
>> Tim Wildmon: And have you been running into this, Steve?
>> Steve Jordahl: I think about it every day because I decide what news to cover. I decide how to cover it, I decide what to say based on what I'm finding. The Internet is almost exclusively what we have to use these days. I mean, there was a time when I used to go actually look at phone books to find a number, then call a company to get a statistic. It's all online now. And, and if you can't trust it, then that, that makes sense.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, if I. Let me ask you this, because I've had, I use this, and I'm not sure what it is exactly, but I think everybody uses something nowadays if you have Internet connection, especially on your cell phone. So I'm going to type in something and on, Safari, because I have an iPhone. Well, no, it's Google. It's Google. Safari is not the Safari browser. Okay. So Google's a search engine. So using Google as a search engine, if you type in a subject, then it's going to pop up with. What is that thing that, what is that information that pops up first?
>> Steve Jordahl: The AI answer.
>> Tim Wildmon: The AI generated answer. It's generated and it's been in use for about two or three years now, maybe a little bit longer.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Oh, that's.
>> Wesley Wildmon: No, that's actually much newer. What you're talking about is much newer.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Much newer. Yeah, I'd say probably within a year, last year.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, what is that called?
>> Tony Vitagliano: that's just their AI that they're using.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's AI though. Yeah, that's what I wanted to know. what's Gemini?
>> Tony Vitagliano: Gemini is Google's AI.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm talking about if you type a. If I'm at Google right now and I type in, let's just say SEC football. Okay. And it comes up and, well, it's got schedule now, but anyway, on most topics, it'll come up with the basic information that you're looking for on said topic. Right. And that's pretty neutral most of the time. I mean, I've found.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Usually contain links, references within the information.
>> Tim Wildmon: But it's not politically driven, but you could.
>> Steve Jordahl: It depends. I've. I've come across like, for example, if I'm trying to find out what a conservative news outlet or conservative perspective on a certain topic, if it's a political topic, it might not come up on my chat GPT feed or the, the AI feed because it has been programmed to give me all of the liberal outlets first. And I, you know, so, that you have to be kind of careful about that too.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, it's trained by people and people are going to have inherent biases.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, I just did, I just did. For example, what is a Maltese? Our dog is a Maltese M. And it brings up all kind of good stuff in a matter of two seconds. One or two seconds.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's compiling the way I understand it, compiles a bunch of articles and information and summarizes it down in the.
>> Tim Wildmon: How does it do it though, in, in one second?
>> Tony Vitagliano: It's trained, it's, it's. Well, there's a lot of computing power behind it first of all, that takes your query. But it's trained on the, the Internet basically. And so a lot of that can be cached too. So you're probably not the first person to ask what is a Maltese? So you know, the answer may be cash to a, to a degree. And, and that's why it's brought up so quickly.
>> Wesley Wildmon: There's a lot of ca.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think you should, I'd say use cash when possible. Yes, that's right.
>> Steve Jordahl: Here's another problem I think with it too though is if you are, for example the American Kennel Society, Kennel Club, whatever it's called akc and you use advertising in your website to help raise money for the. So when you go to akc.org if that's what the website is, you see ads. And that's one of the ways that a American, kennel club gets money to help do their operations. Well, if it's being shown to me in ChatGPT, I never go to akc.org and therefore I don't see the ads.
>> Tim Wildmon: And same's true about kfc.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes, And AFA too by the way.
>> Tony Vitagliano: That is a common, that's a growing complaint amongst online e commerce businesses is that a lot of their traffic was generated off of paid advertisements, or Priority in the Google search results. And they're seeing reduced traffic because people aren't even using traditional Google, so to speak. They're going to AI and asking the questions.
Shador Sanders had a bad NFL day Sunday for the Cleveland Browns
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to today's issues on the, American Family Radio Network. I'm Tim with Wesley, and, Tony's with us, and Steve's with us. Steve Paisley. Jordo. Steve. you said, allow two or three minutes at the end of the show. We're down to four.
>> Steve Jordahl: Okay, we can do that.
>> Tim Wildmon: What do you want to do here?
>> Steve Jordahl: Man, I tell you, if I was, Shador Sanders had probably the worst day that any NFL quarterback could possibly have, and I'll tell you why. He came in in the middle of a game. Ah, for the Browns. Playing for the Browns this week.
>> Tim Wildmon: And, this is Deion Sanders.
>> Steve Jordahl: Deion Sanders Sons. The starting quarterback. Gabriel was taken out with an injury, and, he had to fill in and everything. So he had a bad NFL day. He was.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sanders did.
>> Steve Jordahl: Now, this is one of his first times on the field, so I'm not saying he's a bad quarterback. He might have a big upside, but it's a learning curve. He went 4 for 16 for 47 yards with one interception and lost fumble and a quarterback rating of 13.5, which is not good, which is very bad. You know what the kicker is?
>> Tim Wildmon: What's the kicker?
>> Steve Jordahl: When he was on the field, somebody went in and broke into his home because they knew he wouldn't be home and robbed him.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, man, that's what you call insult.
>> Steve Jordahl: To injury, isn't it?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right there.
>> Tim Wildmon: Poor fella, they robbed his house while he's having the worst day of his life on the football field.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's what. Well, worst day of his football life.
>> Tim Wildmon: So he's probably thinking to himself, I'm gonna drive home, lick my wounds. At least I can have my haven.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Of my, you know, turn on my tv.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Ah.
>> Tony Vitagliano: You know, you get home and your TV isn't there.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: that's all really unfortunate.
>> Steve Jordahl: 47 yards, one interception, two sacks, two, by the way.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Well, and the sad thing is, is his NFL salaries is not going to cover.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, he was Sanders, and maybe he'll end up making it, but he was the one in the NFL draft who was projected to go in the first round and then fell way, way down m. Because a lot of teams didn't want to draft. I don't know if. Because they didn't want to draft. Well, he had come off as a prima donna. Okay. Which is. That's unusual for NFL players. Right? I mean, most of them are just full of humility and. And self sacrifice.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, Dion's pretty muted.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. But, but so Shador, his name, he's. He's going to have to make it, in last Sunday. Didn't help him.
>> Steve Jordahl: Probably not.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Somewhere his career. We wish him the best. He's a young guy.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: 23 years old.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: First. First year in the league. Like a lot of talent. We'll see talent. That.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's bad.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But I've seen worse.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, your house robbed.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, that's bad, too.
>> Tony Vitagliano: If you're gonna have performance. If you're gonna have an awful start, though, you want it to be with the Browns because their expectations. I say this as a Browns fan. Their expectations are just Brown on the floor to begin with.
>> Tim Wildmon: So they are, I think the Cleveland Browns, I'm convinced of this, built their stadium over Indian grounds. And so you just don't get past that.
>> Tony Vitagliano: It's their offensive name.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They're cursed.
>> Steve Jordahl: Huh?
>> Tim Wildmon: Huh? They're cursed.
>> Steve Jordahl: They're named after the original owner of the team, by the way.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, not Brownies.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, A guy named Brown owned them and named the team after himself.
>> Tim Wildmon: There's the music. It's a good thing we're out of time. I've seen.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I've seen quarterbacks that have thrown as many as six interceptions in the game. Six?
What's the most interceptions a quarterback has thrown in an NFL game
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. But they were transferred to a mental home immediately after the game. Go to hospital.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Could have been both. Both are possible.
>> Tim Wildmon: Six interceptions in a game.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I've seen it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. that will break a man.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes, it would.
>> Wesley Wildmon: but see, I don't know who to blame there, the coach or the quarterback. The coach kept putting him back.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, chat GPT. What's the most interceptions a quarterback has ever thrown in an NFL game?
>> Wesley Wildmon: It'll be seven.
>> Steve Jordahl: It says. It's searching. eight. Eight by Jim Hardy on September 24, 1950.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, well. And the Hardy family had hoped that would never be brought up again. Steve just brought it up again. All right, we'll see you tomorrow, everybody.
