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Tim Wildman: American Family Association plans historical spiritual heritage tours in 2026

>> Ed Vitagliano: Hello, everyone.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm, Tim Wildmon, president of American Family association and American Family Radio.

>> Fred Jackson: Hey.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, the tours we've got planned in 2026 are going to be fantastic. They're historical spiritual heritage tours. For the information all about them, the DC, the Williamsburg, the Boston tours, go to wildmangroup.com w I L-M-O-N group.com and we hope to see you on one of our 2026 spiritual heritage tours.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Welcome to Today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues for this Tuesday, January 27, 2026. Thanks for listening to American Family Radio. we're in studio here in Tupelo, M, Mississippi. And joining me is Ed Battagliano. Good morning, Ed.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Good morning, Tim.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley Wildmon.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Good morning.

>> Tim Wildmon: And Fred Jackson.

>> Fred Jackson: Good morning to you.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so, Fred, Sir, I'll say it again.

>> Fred Jackson: Good morning to you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, thank you, Fred. Your microphone wouldn't turn off.

>> Fred Jackson: It was frozen.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I was gonna say his teeth were chatty.

>> Tim Wildmon: The microphone was frozen.

130,000 people in Mississippi without power as of about an hour ago

Okay, so, we weren't able to be live on the air yesterday here for this program because the weather, effects of the weekend.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I hope people were able to tell the difference when we're live and when we're not.

>> Tim Wildmon: yeah, we remember X yesterday. Wesley wouldn't know what I'm talking about. Are you live or you memorize? Remember that commercial?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I do. Ella Fitzgerald.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ella Fitzgerald. we weren't able to be on the air live yesterday because some of our staff, a lot of our staff didn't have power because the ice storm that hit our area and then, some of the roads were bad. Anyway, we closed our offices and studios yesterday, and we're still closed today. But some of us were able to come in and be here for this radio show. It's very important what we're going to be talking about today, a lot going on in the news. But, Fred, right now, a big story is the weather.

>> Fred Jackson: No question about it. we still, across the country, at least 500,000 people without power. And in our home state here, Mississippi is one of the worst. As of about an hour ago, 130,000 people, in this state alone without power. And, a city just to our west here, Oxford, home of Ole Miss, one of the worst hit in the country. talking to people from there, watching some of the reports on Fox this Morning from Oxford. it looks like a war zone. that's the best way to describe it. The governor of the state, Tate Reeves was interviewed just a couple of hours ago on Fox and Friends and he kind of gives an update on the situation in this state. Cut number three.

>> Tate Reeves: Well, we have deployed the Mississippi National Guard. they do a lot of things really well. we are ensuring that they're going to be involved in the logistics play here. Because what we're going to be looking at is as we hopefully get a lot of those 140,000 customers that currently do not have power. We're hoping to get a good percentage of them back on today or tomorrow. We're down from a peak of 180,000 which is the number where a couple of days ago where we peaked. but we also know that, that we've got to get, we've got to get things like generators into water pumping stations in rural parts of our state, Rural Water association to ensure that we can keep the water pumping into homes because we not only have electricity challenges, we have water challenges as well, in certain areas of our state. And so the Guard's going to be very intricately involved in logistics and moving supplies into and around the area getting food, MREs, cots into our warming centers. We have 67 warming centers open throughout the state in 35 different counties, of Mississippi. Again this is a storm that is very large and is affecting a large percentage of our state.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So Governor, what percentage of your lines are buried?

>> Tate Reeves: A very small percentage of our lines are buried in Mississippi. And that creates challenges of course, when you have tornadoes, when you have hurricanes. And it certainly creates challenges when the right of ways are not cleaned adequately and you have ice and now you have limbs falling on above ground power lines.

>> Fred Jackson: So there you have it. That's the governor of the state, Tate Reeves mentioned, Oxford, Mississippi, home of Ole Miss. I understand the classes will not resume until sometime next week at Ole Miss. And also Christian, college very close to us there, Blue Mountain, that area of the state which is to kind of our northwest here very badly hit.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well our own Ed Vitagliano right here doesn't have power at his house.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, we got ours last night.

>> Tim Wildmon: Four o'?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Clock. Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: How did you know?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Four o'?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Clock.

>> Tim Wildmon: You were waiting on it. Were you four o' clock in the morning?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, we were at my son and daughter in law's house because they had power and they Lived just north of us. And then we got a call from our daughter who was at our house and she said, power's back on. That was 4 o' clock in the afternoon. So we were not quite 48 hours without it, but pretty close. It got down. It was because in the last night was in the. The teens.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So, it's been a very difficult situation for a lot of people. Not just us either. States, just to the west of us, got hammered. My sister who lives in Frisco, Texas, she texted me, they've got power, but it was 7 degrees. So this was a brutal storm that stretch two thirds of the country. And Mississippi got hammered.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. and we had to deal with a lot and it was rough. Unless you were a kid.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We joked this morning because my kids went outside, got their gloves on, their boots on and they played with the icicles because they don't get to see that. But once a year at most, sometimes longer. Longer than that, exactly.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. It was a three pronged storm. It was freezing rain, which is what we received here in Mississippi for the most part, and parts of Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana and Arkansas, Texas. And then it was a major snowstorm as it went up the Mid M Atlantic and into NewSong York City and that part of the country. So it was a bad deal. It was a major winter storm. Probably unlike we've seen in a few years.

>> Fred Jackson: Absolutely. Boston, I think somebody reported what, 20 inches there and they were the worst hit. Airport, Logan Airport was the worst hit as far as cancellations, cancellations there and bad news for the East Coast. this morning they're saying there's another storm that is developing down to the Southeast in the Atlantic there, which may hit another blast of cold air as it moves up. Yeah, they may get pounded again.

>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, you know it's dangerous when you get down where you're like, you're talking about what they're going through in Pennsylvania and NewSong York, even as hardy as those folks are to cold weather like you grew up in. Fred, it's dangerous. It is for when you, when you're dealing with zero and sub zero temperatures.

>> Ed Vitagliano: well, you lose, you lose power. You think you've got enough food to last for X number of days and then you go beyond X number of days.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And don't get hurt. You have to go to the hospital.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Emergency.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, a tip of the hat here in our state where our flagship station is to the power companies and to the men.

To those who are getting power lines back up, it's dangerous work

Ah, primarily men. I'M sure there are women also involved in this, but who go out in this weather. A lot of our first responders, but. But to those who are getting power lines back up, it's dangerous work. It's exhausting work. These teams go out for. I don't know what their shifts are, but, you know, 48 hours, we, my wife and I went with without power, but we got our power back. And it's not magic. People are up there, you know, and working to get that restored, so.

Fred Whitaker: Change in strategy coming to Minneapolis after protester's death

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Ed, Wesley and Fred, and we thank you for listening to afr. the big national story, other than the weather, is what's happening in, Minneapolis, Minnesota. And, Fred, you want to set this story up for us?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: There's a change coming. The Trump administration. As a result of the death of one of the protesters in Minneapolis in the last several days, there's been a lot happening between Washington and Minneapolis. Conversations. President Trump has had conversations with the governor of Minnesota, Tim Waltz. He's had conversations with the mayor of Minneapolis, Mayor Frye there. And it looks like, there's going to be a change in strategy by the federal government, and that has some people concerned, some people celebrating. one of the big parts of this story that's developed over the weekend is that President Trump's border czar, Tom Holman, is now. Apparently, he arrived in Minneapolis last night and he is going to be part of this change, that's coming about. White House spokesperson Caroline Levitt announced, that yesterday it's cut number five. Brent.

>> Tim Wildmon: Mr. Homan is the point person, for cooperating with state and local authorities in corresponding with them again to achieve this level of cooperation to subdue the chaos on the streets of Minneapolis. And I would just point out that Mr. Homan is someone who has been lauded for many, many decades for his experience working in law enforcement.

>> Fred Jackson: Now, a former spokesperson for the White House, is, Ms. McAnee, Haley. Haley Macinee.

>> Tim Wildmon: Remember, she was the spokesperson after Sarah Huckabee.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes, yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: she took over after that.

>> Fred Jackson: She gave a very interesting interview this morning on Fox. Of course, she works for Fox now, but, I think she's got some inside information as to the changes that are going on in the White House with regards to strategy for Minneapolis. I want you to have a listen to this. cut number 11.

>> Tim Wildmon: It is a massive problem when the message being set by the person elected by the American people is lost. It's a massive problem when the direction of the President of the United States is lost. And that is precisely what has happened on this weekend. President Trump spoke to the Wall Street Journal. We all know this. He declined to characterize the shooting of Alex Preddy. He said he is reviewing everything. But let's go back further than that. Let's go back to Tuesday. Tuesday, President Trump stood at the podium, said, I felt terribly about the death of Renee Goode. I understand both sides. He told his immigration folks, you've got to lighten up on this. That was Tuesday. That was before Alex Preddy. Let's go back even further. Let's go back to January 11th. Donald Trump talks to the NewSong York Times, and he tells the NewSong York Times, I want comprehensive immigration reform. They say a path to citizenship. He says, possibly, possibly. He has been laying out the appropriate message for weeks now. He has sent a very direct action. Lighten up. And when that order is not taken by the Department of Homeland Security, and when the messaging is done wrong, not once but twice, the domestic terrorism, snapping to that conclusion right away, that's a problem. And President Trump has done the right thing by setting it straight, getting order. And I'm sure he's reiterated, I was the one who was elected, guys. I set the message.

>> Tim Wildmon: that's very confusing to me. What she just said is, anybody. You think that's clear, Fred?

>> Fred Jackson: I think her message is clear. In that interview this morning, there's been a change in strategy at the White House and that, the people on the ground, the National Guard, the ICE people on the ground in Minneapolis are not listening to the President's direction. I think that's what she was asserting in that interview.

Tim Lightman: I think the Trump administration needs clear immigration policies

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, let me just say this, because this is. There's a lot of moving parts here. So we're going to get to this as much as we can. Let me say from the outset. Okay, I'm just going to take a few things off. I hope I don't take any of our listeners off. I just could say, let me just make a couple of bullet points.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Check them. Okay. what ICE has been doing has gone fairly flawlessly in cities and states around the country where local law enforcement and politicians cooperate with ice. Okay, so places like NewSong Orleans, Dallas, other places, we've not had what we've had in Minneapolis. Second of all, I would say that these blue cities and blue states are becoming almost ungovernable when it comes to Donald Trump and the federal government. So let me just say there's a Lot of blame to be placed there. Blue cities, blue states, their political leaders. But I'm with Tim. Okay. I, I have not. Until she just said this, I have not heard a consistent, clear policy laid out by the Trump administration with regards to immigration, except for we're going to get rid of the bad guys who came here illegally. Okay. And that seems to be what ICE has been charged with. I think that the Trump administration needs to carefully and clearly going forward, lay out where it's wants, it wants this policy to go, and, and then make sure those charged with carrying out that policy are clear on it. Because the American people are very confused about it. And I'm not sure that I didn't.

>> Tim Wildmon: Get what Kayleigh McEnany was saying. I don't understand her point. Am I the only one?

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I think she's.

>> Tim Wildmon: Play that again. Play her a comment, because I respect her greatly. She was wonderful. But I don't understand. She seems to be. She seems to be, praising President Trump while criticizing President Trump at the same time. Like the people who work for him aren't doing the job he says they should do. But that. Listen to her comments again. Go ahead.

>> Tim Wildmon: It is a massive problem when the message being set by the person elected by the American people is lost. It's a massive problem when the direction of the President of the United States is lost. And that is precisely what has happened on this weekend. President Trump spoke to the Wall Street Journal. We all know this. He declined to characterize the shooting of Alex Preddy. He said he is reviewing everything. But let's go back further than that. Let's go back to Tuesday. Tuesday, President Trump stood at the podium, said, I felt terribly about the death of Renee Goode. I understand both sides. He told his immigration folks, you've got to lighten up on this. That was Tuesday. That was before Alex Preddy. Let's go back even further. Let's go back to January 11th. Donald Trump talks to the NewSong York Times, and he tells the NewSong York Times, I want comprehensive immigration reform. They say a path to citizenship. He says, possibly, possibly. He has been laying out the appropriate message for weeks now. He has sent a very direct action. Lighten up. And when that order is not taken by the Department of Homeland Security, and when the messaging is done wrong, not once, but twice, the domestic terrorism, snapping to that conclusion right away, that's a problem. And President Trump has done the right thing by setting it straight, getting order. And I'm sure he's reiterated, I was the one who was elected, guys I set the message.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, see, I think what she's doing. This is. This is my opinion. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm talking, you know, those who are listening. I think she's covering for the Trump administration and President Trump. You can't say he's been very clear when he. When you also say, talk about hints and you talk about statements before the NewSong York Times, I haven't read anything where I've seen a comprehensive plan for how this is going to be done. Now, I'm not blaming President Trump because I don't know if he has been specific, if he's been specific to Kristi Noem and others who are supposed to carry out his policies and they're ignoring those instructions from the president, then they're at fault. But if President Trump has not clearly. Lighten up. Is not a policy position.

>> Fred Jackson: No.

>> Tim Wildmon: And that's what Kayleigh McEnany is saying. That, that President Trump told him.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Lighten up.

>> Tim Wildmon: Told him to light. What does that mean?

>> Ed Vitagliano: What does it mean? You've got it. Now, maybe he has been specific. I know what Wesley's chomping at the bit here, but if he's been specific, I'd like to know a little bit more about what he told them to do.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We, eventually, we need to get to the shooting side of this.

ICE officer was going in to arrest illegal immigrant when protesters crossed street

But to finish up with McEnany, Is that how you pronounce it? Haley McEnany, there is no way. You can't do this type of job lightly. You're either deporting people or you're not. There is no. This is lighten, up.

>> Tim Wildmon: What does that mean?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, because that's very subjective. Because they go in light, these people moving, out of the shooting. This was a light thing. They were going in there to arrest an illegal immigrant who had committed violent crimes, and the protesters crossed the street and interfered with their operation.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So it was a light. They were doing it. I mean, subjectively. They weren't causing problems. the problems. Problems were being caused. We don't have any instances, any instances in Minneapolis where the protesters were on the sidewalks with their permits protesting and there being any confrontation.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right. If they were staying away from the.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Officer, to stay away from the ICE officer. So the confrontations have been. Have come when. When the agitators interfere with the ICE doing their job.

Tim Ferriss: Minneapolis is ground zero for the radical left

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Again, we're talking about, you're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. We're talking about what's going on, what's going on, and what's going on. In, in Minneapolis, because the left wing agitators and activists and your, anarchists, your anarchist and your antifa types, they are organized and what they decided to do in Minneapolis was physically resist ice and they have, it's a network, they have communications and they have the support of the mayor and the governor to resist. The governor of Minneapolis, is telling them m. Minnesota is telling them to go and videotape ice. so when you have, and in the case of the man who got shot and killed, we don't know all the details there, there's body cam footage to be released, yet by the Department of Homeland Security. So we don't know the whole story there yet. But in the case he, he was physically resisting, is that inaccurate?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I think, I don't think.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know if he was fighting him, but he was there. He was there to. Excuse me for interrupt. He was there to interfere. Well, that was his point.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We probably could just leave it at that. We waiting on all the details to come back. But we do know something, so I don't know how much of that we want to cover. What we do know that as he was resisting arrest, they had him pinned on the ground and he was fighting to stand up. As he was reaching for his firearm.

>> Tim Wildmon: He was carrying a gun.

>> Wesley Wildmon: He was carrying a gun.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He would. Legally. He was carrying a gun legally.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But the, the, the part of the problem here is Minneapolis is ground zero for the radical left. They are making their stand in that city with the full support of Mayor Fry and the governor of the state who is fighting off fraud allegations in his administration. And I think loves the fact that he can push the spotlight onto something else. And the radical left has said, we are going to resist Donald Trump and ICE because as you've said, Tim, on this show many times, the radical left doesn't believe in borders. Nothing should happen to these people and nothing bad would have happened with Renee Good or Alex Preddy had these, protesters not physically engaged with ice. Okay, now part of the issue is my personal belief is the radical left wants this violence. And I'll come to you, Fred, here in just a second. and so, what's, what is happening in these places is that they, they are, wanting the confrontation to continue so that violence erupts and they can force a retreat, which it looks like may have been successful.

>> Fred Jackson: Well, to Ed's point, listen to the words of self described antifa protester Kyle Wagner as he calls for armed resistance to ice in Minneapolis. Cut number six.

>> Kyle Wagner: I'm Kyle. I'm Antifa. And everybody in my DMs and calling me and blowing me up. I love all of you. I understand that the women who see this are really scared that their husbands are going to go and not come back. And that's real. And I am very sorry, ladies, that that is what is happening. But I don't understand how you're struggling to follow that. They're going to keep killing us if we don't end this. And we can't end this without good men in the streets armed and ready to protect innocent people from being gunned down by these masked murderers, these fascist occupiers. I need boots on the ground and I need them prepared to do what needs to be done so that this does not cost more innocent lives. We do not have any more time to let this drag out. I know it sucks, but this is the iron front. It's an individual choice. There are no generals in this fight. Viva la resistance. I'm going back to the streets.

>> Tim Wildmon: That was Antifa.

>> Fred Jackson: Self described antifa protester Kyle Wagner.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Look, I, we're going to Wesley's Point. We're going to find out if the death of Alex Preddy was what they call a bad shoot. Okay? You may have an ICE officer charged. I don't know. Okay. But, that does not mean that what ICE was doing in terms of a policy is wrong. And the reason it happened, I'm convinced, is these agitators want the confrontation. They, they want more bad shoots. They want people dying as quote, unquote.

>> Tim Wildmon: He was saying, he was saying, hey, wives, you may lose your husband here, but it's worth it in the greater scheme of things.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. And that's what ICE is up against. And I am convinced, with no help.

>> Tim Wildmon: From the, from the.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Minneapolis, Minneapolis and Minnesota are becoming ungovernable when it comes to the federal government because Trump's at the head of the federal government. That's how much they hate him.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Let's, let's connect a few more things. Remember, ICE is going in to remove people that have come here illegally. And they're starting with those that are child molesters and, rapists and drug convicted murderers.

>> Tim Wildmon: Bad dudes. That's what they were doing here. They were going after a bad dude.

>> Wesley Wildmon: They're trying to get him out. And this person, this per, this antifa, mischaracterizes, ICE is going out killing people. Right, right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Fascist, mask. Just killing people in our streets.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Killing people in our streets.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, they're the people on the left have compared ICE to Iran.

>> Tim Wildmon: right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Shooting, shooting protesters down in the streets. These people are unhinged on the left.

>> Tim Wildmon: Alright, we'll be back momentarily. We got a lot more to cover on this story. This is a big deal for our country right now.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It is.

>> Tim Wildmon: We'll be back momentarily. Stay with us.

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Tim Ferriss: Minneapolis ICE agents face protesters who physically resist them

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back everybody to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Ed, Wesley and Fred, we've been talking about what's happening in Minneapolis. And it's a very fluid situation with respect to the ice, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Border Patrol officers who are there. again they, as Wesley pointed out, ICE has been carrying out, you know, operations in many places across the country without incident. They, they go in, they they're.

>> Wesley Wildmon: There for eight or 10 days, 15 days.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're there to arrest drug dealers, child, rapists. Yeah. Bad people who committed crimes, who are, drug traffickers, things like that. To deport them. Right, right. Or arrest them and, and, and, and then they go to trial and everything. So, but what's happened here in Minneapolis is that the political left agitators and they, they organized to physically resist ICE in the street. And because of that, the, I'm telling people things they already know. I know. But just to set the stage again here on what led up to this situation where two people have been killed by I.C.E. that is, so I.C.E. is told to go and get the bad guy. They tell them where they are. They have an operation for that day or that hour or whatever like that. They go, and then they're met with these protesters, these agitators, these, antifa types.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And we had. We just right before the break, we played the audio of one of the leaders of antifa.

>> Tim Wildmon: Get cameras, get in the face, interfere. All right, if you're a, These ICE people are not, trained for crowd control. Okay?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And they can't call the Minneapolis Police Department to come help them, so they're left on their own.

>> Wesley Wildmon: they could in other states.

>> Tim Wildmon: They have.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But you're saying in this case, because they've been.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Local law enforcement have been told don't help.

>> Tim Wildmon: I would say, okay, I'm just going to talk out of, just. I'm just thinking off a little bit off the top of my head. But if I'm ICE agents and I'm faced with this situation, listen, we're all human. Somebody starts throwing things at you, all right, and you don't know where it's coming from.

>> Ed Vitagliano: They're.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're shouting to you, they're cursing at you, they're putting cameras in your face, they're taunting you. you can either a double down, bring in more reinforcements and go do what you're there to do, or you can say, okay, we need to just back off. I know it means these people have won, but we need to back off. or else we're going to have bloodshed. because that's the two choices that these ICE agents are putting. We're left with now.

Two people have died at the hands of ice, right?

All right, now you're left now, President Trump, you have two people have died, right? Two.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Two people who died, at the hands of ice. Right. Again, the whole scenario I just laid before you on how this, the physical confrontation in the street, you can understand how this would go bad, especially if this guy's carrying a gun. Carrying. He was carrying a gun for a reason, this guy.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, now we do want to say, because we are going to cover a comment made by Cash Patel, that he.

>> Tim Wildmon: He legally care.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He was legally carrying on. He has a permit for that gun. Talking about Alex, I would say it's.

>> Tim Wildmon: Unwise if you're going to go confront ice. Don't carry a gun. That's what I would say.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But because we all know the training of an officer, when they see it, when you're fighting with an officer and they see a firearm, that's a problem because they're trained.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Why? My question to him, because then the.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Officer is going to say, well, his training would go, well, I'm being attacked by a man who has. And now I see a firearm. That firearm can be used to harm me. And the logical thinking is, well, he could use that against me because we're fighting. So, like, to Dad's point, if you're going to fight, first of all, it's not wise to fight an officer.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. I don't know. Was he fighting him?

>> Wesley Wildmon: He was fighting. He was fighting officers.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, yeah, they were trying to get him to the ground and then he was resting. He was trying to get back up.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, he was rest.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But that's what he was resisting.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Resisting.

>> Tim Wildmon: Resisting. so. And then, again, I go back to. I'm not sure we can. Politically, President Trump, he's. This is a very, what do you say, signature moment for his administration, would you say? But what's.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, this is. Yeah, this is what's going to happen in the road politically.

>> Tim Wildmon: There are a lot of people praising him for kicking Christy Gnome to the side. and what was the. What's the other gentleman.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, you talking about Tom Holman, bringing him into Minneapolis to replace Greg Bovino.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah, Greg. Who is Greg Ravino, for those.

>> Fred Jackson: Greg Ravino was basically head of the Border Patrol.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. He's been in Minneapolis.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Border Patrol commander.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes. And he has led the operation in Minneapolis.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. So Gnome and Bavino, have been sidelined now by Trump. President Trump.

>> Fred Jackson: But Vino, for sure, he's been sent back.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't think anything official has been done with Kristi Noem.

>> Fred Jackson: No.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But Trump has basically said, we're bringing in Tom Holland.

>> Tim Wildmon: You think she's going to be. You think she's going to be the scapegoat?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't. I don't know. I really don't. I don't know whether what's going to happen. But it sounded like from Kaylee McEnany and the. In this, clip we played before the, the break that the Trump administration is moving to. To say, the Trump. President Trump has not wanted what's happening in Minneapolis to happen, and now he's going to take the reins to.

>> Tim Wildmon: That they've gone. That insinuation is that. That they've, gone rogue or they're ice. Well, the ice has gone. When Katy.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, no, I don't know. I don't think they're going to say ICE has gone rogue because they, ICE feels like the President has their back. I think what the Trump administration is pivoting to is President Trump has not wanted this to happen. And like Kayleigh McEnany said, he wanted something else to happen. And the people in charge have not been carrying out.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hold on one other. Not wanted what to happen?

>> Ed Vitagliano: The two deaths in Minneapolis.

>> Tim Wildmon: Who does?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, no, that's why Kayleigh McEnany was saying President Trump has been saying, lighten up, take a less strong approach.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, listen, Fred, talk. That's, that's double talk. I'm gonna say to you, that's double talk. Either get in and tell them, you do your job and I got your back, or you get out. You don't tell them, go in there and knock on doors and say, hello, everybody in there, we got some gifts for you.

Guy Benson: President Trump is losing the PR battle over Minneapolis shooting

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right, but, but what I'm saying is President Trump has. He can't say, I've changed my mind about Minneapolis. Well, because that's political. Politicians don't do that.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's a politician.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I'm sorry. Okay, so you said you either tell them to go in and get out, to get their job done and get out, or, or, or you pull them out and not do it at all. I think President Trump actually wanted the first thing to happen. Now it's turned bad, badly. It's gone badly. And now he can't say I was wrong because politically, first of all, personality wise, he's not going to do that politically. That could cost, the Republican Party. So now your only option is to say, I didn't want them to go in and get the job done if it was going to lead to people dying. I want a different approach. And that's what I've been trying to communicate. That's what Kayleigh McEnany said. And that's going to be what President Trump is going to say, I think. So he can back out to all your points.

>> Fred Jackson: Guy Benson is a Fox contributor. He says the change sending Tom Holman in to replace Greg Bavino is because Trump. This is what Guy Benson said. Trump is losing the PR battle. Cut four.

>> Guy Benson: Well, it seems like a demotion at the very least. And my guess is President Trump and there were some sources whispering about this over the weekend. He was watching how everything went down in this terrible, deadly incident. The response, the statements that were made by high ranking officials and the backlash against the untruthfulness of some of those statements, or at least the debatable nature of what they were saying. And he Said, you know, enough of this. This is, among other things, a political and PR battle, and a way to lose it is to not have credibility with the public. And so he decided to send in Tom Homan, who's a very experienced guy. He understands the job through and through. He wants to take it very seriously and do it the right way. And I think that Trump, going out of his way to note that Homan hadn't been involved in Minneapolis or Minnesota, was sort of a blank slate moment to say, hey, this needs fresh eyes, fresh leadership. And by the way, he's reporting directly to me, that was a shakeup, and I think it needed one.

>> Fred Jackson: So, there you. Here's the only problem with this. Trump is the commander in chief. And if your troops in the field feel that your commander in chief is ready to throw you underneath the bus, the impact that that has on the overall battle. Because if I'm looking at this through Democrat leadership eyes, they're now going to say the governor of Minnesota and the mayor of Minneapolis fry. Look what they did. We need to copy that, because we know now that Trump will back down. And by the way, you know, we've talked about this. What did McNamee mean by quoting Trump as saying to, lighten up? How do you lighten up in an operation when you're told to go in and get the bad guys, the people who are in here, this country, illegally? What does lighten up mean? If you're a soldier in the field, what does it mean when you tell them to lighten up on the enemy?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's why I'm saying it's double talk. It's wanting it both ways. You want to do the operation without having the potential for things to go bad. And if you're going to be willing, if you're going to go in with this heavy, law enforcement, like ice, to get the bad guys, and they're confronted out on the streets with people and something goes bad, like with these two deaths. either you got to be willing to. Now, you. You can say we're gonna, we're gonna do an investigation, right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: But, what you've got to do seems to me is say, no, no, wait a minute. We're. We're there to do a job. Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: and we're being simple.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're being attacked and we're not.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We're getting no help by local, no help from.

>> Tim Wildmon: So. So either we're, we're gonna do the job or we're going to pull out.

>> Wesley Wildmon: one, there's no halfway doing it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Can't go. Lighten up. That that's just. To me that's silly. comment and this is a lot of people don't have any answers on this. Direct answers because they want to do something but if something goes bad then they don't want to take responsibility. Yeah. See what I'm saying?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well if I think this is. Brace yourself. Don't fall out of your but your seats here. But I think Trump's wrong here.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wait a minute.

Mago Wesley says if Trump pulls out, Antifa emboldens

Right now, ladies and gentlemen, Mago Wesley is now going to criticize President Trump at some point.

>> Wesley Wildmon: first time in six years of his term or going on six years.

>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead.

>> Wesley Wildmon: you can't do like you. Well, I won't articulate it better than you did, but you can't do this type of job softly. Well you can attempt to but when you're confronted with agitators across in the street getting in your way, then it becomes a problem. And so I think that if Trump pulls out and does not finish what he started there then and the other team wins, I think he's wrong for so many different reasons. And the ripple effect that that has on our own, the people that morale. The morale and for those that have and for Antifa the other way it emboldens them because a lot of them are organized from other states so they actually care about this beyond just Minneapolis. So they're going to take their crew and they're going to pack up and say we won this one. Here's how, here's what we did to win. This is like a, this is like I, I compared it to like a ah ministry ah or you know that that up and roots and goes to locations like disaster relief. Like these people are going to up and go to the next stop wherever that, wherever that issue. Wherever ice goes next and they're going to start all over again. Now can they get away with that in a small town in the south? Probably not. But if they go to another big city where you're not going to get any local help, they're going to just, they're going to duplicate their efforts here. And also too why can't there. I understand that we have a media the news and people follow that and that dictates a lot of politics. I understand. But why can't these two shoots just go to investigations and why can't I go back to doing their job and finish finishing the task? I don't understand why we have to be. It's so frustrating As a citizen who voted for Trump to do this right here, what he's doing, and then all of a sudden, it could be derailed because of some PR videos from a guy who. You know what I mean? It shouldn't alter what the mission was just. Because. Let the invest. If the investigation plays out and the guy is proven to have done something, the ICE officer has been proven to have done, wrongful trainings or whatever, let that play out. But that shouldn't dictate the.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Can I. Can I. Can I. Let me just draw attention to the deeper problem here in our country. Now, this is painting with a broad brush. So, I'm sure there are exceptions to this. You have, on the left, most of the. A good portion of the left, people who hate God, who are, as a result of that, by nature, rebellious against authority. And they're going to do this, what you're just talking about, Wesley. They're going to do this all day long because this is their nature. They are going to fight against legitimate authority. They're going to fight against righteousness. They're going to say, we don't care if you're out there to get rapists, or drug dealers. We want the border open. And if you don't like it, you're not just politically wrong, you're the enemy. That's on the. That's on the left. On the conservative side, again, there are. There are exceptions to this. You have Republicans whose number one job in Congress is to get reelected. They're not there primarily. They're there to serve their constituents. Yes, but that's not at the top of the list. At the top of the list is I want to get reelected. Okay? And they're going to collapse when the heat is on because this isn't about doing the right thing no matter the cost. This is about doing the right thing until it costs me, and then they fold. So.

>> Tim Wildmon: Including President Trump, you think?

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I think President Trump, I think, is a. Is a special. He's a. He's a different animal altogether. He's got his own issues, his own strengths. But I'm saying, in terms of what President Trump and his. And his, the people speaking into his ear, they're saying, you could lose the whole Republican Party in the midterms, and that'll be on you, Donald Trump. That'll be your legacy. Yeah, that moves President Trump.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. Well, he's going to lose me for a minute if he keeps doing. If he pulls out, because we're hours away from having another lake and Wriley and Then all of a sudden, we got to get illegals out again.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I mean, like, we. We voted for him to do exactly what he's doing now. Now, is there a dilemma here that because of the PR and two people were shot and blah, blah. Yeah, but that, we voted for him to get people out.

>> Tim Wildmon: That is true. I think the. I think, Donald Trump won the electoral college and he won the popular vote. And one of the big issues was that Biden had let 15 million people walk into our country. We didn't know who they were. A lot of bad people, a lot of people doing human trafficking, drug. And now I. Now. Now Trump was left the job of cleaning this mess up, trying to get these people out of our country or have him arrested, you know, deal with the ramifications, of it. But, okay, I'm. I'm like Wesley and what I hear you saying, and Wesley's more hardcore MAGA than I am. I'm, I'm more moderate. I share my heart.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You're a moderate, man. I share my heart, yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Am I donated?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Share my heart. no, I MAGA moderate.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I like it.

Wesley: I think President Trump is shifting strategy on immigration

I like that.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm really not very moderate.

>> Fred Jackson: I'm.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I'm pretty conservative. But, but as I said, this is a. This is a telltale moment for President Trump. no, not Kristi Noem. Not. Because she's being pushed to the side. She'll probably be fired.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, she. She as far to the side as the bond.

>> Tim Wildmon: Did he get tell. He got sent home, and I love.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That guy, so that's what irritates me.

>> Tim Wildmon: Did he get sent home?

>> Wesley Wildmon: He did get sent home.

>> Tim Wildmon: He got sent home to California, right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. So he got replaced.

>> Tim Wildmon: He.

>> Wesley Wildmon: This is why he got replaced by Tom Holman. But the problem. I mean, bon vino. He is. That dude's awesome. Like, it's so frustrating. He hadn't done anything wrong. It's not his problem.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's why I think he's. He's actually been carrying out.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: The instructions from the White House.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But now that. Now that it is kind of blowing up, I think the president is shifting strategy.

>> Tim Wildmon: What do you think? Okay. What do you mean by President? Trump's a different animal when he is doing. And listen, I'm not. I've been on President Trump's, but he. He is. Wesley's just expressed the feeling of a lot of MAGA type folks, and that is. Trump is about. Trump looks like he's folding on this and is going to Retreat and going to move out when. When you know. And how do you. How do you say, well, yes, he's strong, he is. He is unrelenting, he is man of conviction. And yet here he is about to pull out because the protesters won in.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, when I, When I said that, he's a different animal, I mean, he's different, let's say, from the Republicans. I was characterizing. I don't think President Trump, is swayed as much by public opinion polls as some in the Republican Party. Many in the Republican Party, whose number one job is to get reelected. But we have said on the show many times, President Trump is a pragmatist. He's a deal maker at that. That is who he is. He's a deal maker. And so if he can make a deal to try to continue to get this immigration, illegal immigration problem solved and at the same time back out of Minneapolis and maybe save some face, I think he's going to try to do that. And I think that's why, Bavino's out and Tom Holman is in. Does that, Am I explaining.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, it is. But deal making. What's the difference between deal making and compromising?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, so I can. I can be out here a little bit. So what I would say to kind of clarify or to add more clarification to what Ed's saying is that he has. Trump has done. Has had a history of doing things that the Republicans said they were going to do but never did, and he just did them. But then at the same time, he can. He still does a art of the deal where he can. That doesn't change the fact that he's got a long. I mean. Yeah, just trying to think of just one off the top of my head, but actually. Oh, here's one, actually. Shutting down the border. The Republicans been saying they were going to do that for years and they never did. They get in office and they quit doing it, but he did it. He's done a lot of things that are, I guess, really bold for the conservative movement, but yet at the same time, he's still a deal maker. So I think both are true at the same time.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. When I say a deal maker and you said. What was your question again?

>> Tim Wildmon: What's the difference between a deal maker and a compromiser?

Sometimes in politics you have to compromise, Fred says

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay. All right.

>> Tim Wildmon: So I'm not saying there's anything wrong with compromising something. Sometimes in politics you have to compromise. Sure.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So a compromiser would be someone that, let's say, let me just use myself as an example. Not of a compromiser, but what I'm talking about. If the Republican Party came out in favor of abortion and gay marriage and they said we are going to promote these two things, I would stop being a Republican or stop supporting a Republican, no matter what the consequences were to the country. I would say, those things are those principles. Marriage and life are too important for me, even if the country goes to. Haiti's in a handbasket. Okay. So to me, compromise is when you say, well, to get elected, even though I am, pro life, I'll vote for pro abortion policies. That's a compromiser because your principles aren't what you hold uppermost. It's getting to, Washington, D.C. that's more important. When I say President Trump is a dealmaker, President Trump is saying, listen, we need to solve this illegal immigration issue. But I'm open to the details of that. This is what I would like to see happen. I'd like to see us get all of these illegals out, and I'm going to turn ICE loose to do that. But if that blows up in my face because of leftist lunatics, I'm going to try a different way. And I'm willing to talk about that. Because he wants to try to get the illegal immigration solved. It doesn't matter how he gets that done. Does that make sense? I'm not sure that's.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It would be, looking, looking back now, he probably could have put Minneapolis at the bottom of the list as he's heading out instead of this early on.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Because he's got a. They've got.

>> Tim Wildmon: They.

>> Wesley Wildmon: ICE has a list and a plan for the next three years of their stops and where they're going. Probably would have moved this one to the bottom.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I would. And I would say that about. I would get it. I would get it done, in all the red states first. And maybe they've been pretty successful doing that. And. And then you turn to blue states and then you pick hardcore leftist enclaves like Minneapolis, St. Paul.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. I'm about to look at what states. Have ICE been to California? They've already been there.

>> Tim Wildmon: So don't go where it's the hardest.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's first.

>> Ed Vitagliano: First. First you wait.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're a year into this.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: ICE has been all over the country.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: go ahead, Fred. What are you going to say?

>> Fred Jackson: No, the other.

>> Tim Wildmon: Victorious,

>> Fred Jackson: Party in all of this is the mainstream media. And that bothers me the most. They basically, politically speaking, got in bed with the governor of Minnesota and the mayor of Minneapolis. mainstream media didn't call them out for comparing ICE to Nazis.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Fred Jackson: Trying to use, Waltz has brought up the Holocaust a number of times. The mainstream media has said nothing. So there, there is. When you're. If you're looking at this from the left of the political spectrum, you are praising, Mayor Fry today and you're praising Tim, Waltz today and you're praising the mainstream media. They got together and they defeated Donald.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Trump, at least in this particular instance. It looks like it. That's what it looks like. Like. Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, let's see what Tom Holman says today.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: After his meeting with Fry.

>> Tim Wildmon: I do trust him.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: To be a straight shooter, don't you?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, absolutely. I think he's a good pick for, for this.

>> Tim Wildmon: it's going to be interesting to see because the. They've got some conditions to pull ICE out that I've read about where Minnesota, has to hand over illegal criminals that would. That I don't think they're going to do that. But, but I could be wrong.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's hard, it's hard to take, though, like, like Fred saying, because the bad guys are winning, doing the. The bad. Doing it the bad way.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Illegally.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Illegally. And now we're sitting here going, well, I guess they win this round.

>> Tim Wildmon: We'll be back. Stay with us.

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