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Fred Jackson joins us this morning to talk about today's Issues
>> Ed Vitagliano: And welcome to Today's Issues. Ed Vitagliano sitting in for Ray Prtichard M. This week, I am joined in studio by Fred Jackson. Good morning, Sir Fred. Howdy there, Sir Frederick.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes, Frederick.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The great Chris, Woodward is joining us. He's going to be our news guy this first hour. Good morning to you, Chris.
>> Chris Woodward: Good morning. Only 344 days till Christmas.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, okay. I do that periodically, but I at least wait till June start. doing the countdown. And that, that laughter you heard in the background is Dr. Ray Pritchard. Good morning to you, sir.
>> Ray Prtichard: Good morning, Ed. How are you this morning?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm doing great. Now, we did kind of mock you a little bit this morning during our story meeting because you, you look like you were wearing, warm, clothes for cool weather. And you're in Florida.
>> Ray Prtichard: I got a track suit on, which is, when you're my age, that's what you wear every single day. But it was a little chilly this morning down in the lower 50s. Going down to the. It's getting colder as the day is going on, so I am trying to stay warm this morning.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, the tracksuit, I, don't know how many times I, I joke about eating. so I've rarely, I rarely go to a buffet, but I remember the old days going to, like, Bonanza Steakhouse and all that kind of thing with the buffet. And, man, you'd see a lot of people in tracksuits because you can, you don't have to mess with the belt.
>> Ray Prtichard: That's right. It just kind of expands as the meal goes on, you know, so you put this on, you just feel relaxed all day long.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, yeah, that's right. It'd be hard to get some work done if you're in a tracksuit here at work.
>> Fred Jackson: Well, Ray, if the temperature keeps dropping there where you are in Florida, you know, your neighbors are going to get upset, saying, going to blame that Guy from Kansas.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Ray Prtichard: Cold weather with me.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right.
>> Ray Prtichard: I meant to leave all this behind, you know.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, we just thought it was funny that you did leave a pretty cold weather state, especially in terms of the wind. And you're in Florida with a tracksuit.
>> Ray Prtichard: And so Chris is in the studio. Got looks like a kind of a, like a polo shirt on or something like that. You look pretty relaxed, Chris.
>> Chris Woodward: It's, I, it's, I have to dress in layers. I'm not made for winter. Okay. I was mocked and ridiculed today for having a big coat on.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, I did.
>> Chris Woodward: But in one of our studios, actually both of our studios where we do the news, when you have that door shut in there for even a few minutes, I'm not making it up. It gets into, like the 80s in there. So when you go in there to prepare audio for this show or whatnot, you almost need to dress light as if it's summer, because it's about to be. After I sit in here for a few minutes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So going. So going from the hallway or offices to studios, there's actual climate change.
>> Chris Woodward: There sure is. There sure is. In the event of a power outage, here in the Tupelo area, where, God forbid we don't have heat, I'm coming here and hunkering down in News one or news two because it's warm. It's like the equator.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The equator, the equator at afa.
President Donald Trump threatens to invoke Insurrection act as Minneapolis protests continue
All right, Chris, let's get, started. There's tons of news once again.
>> Chris Woodward: There sure is. And our top story at the moment is something, something fred posted on afn.net before the show started, President Donald Trump today threatened to invoke the Insurrection act, allowing him to deploy troops as violent protests against ICE continue in Minneapolis. Everybody knows the story where a week or so ago an ICE involved shooting occurred in Minneapolis where a woman who was obstructing traffic with her significant other, ended up trying to hit an ICE officer with a car, or did hit him with a car. He returned fire in self defense, shot and killed that lady. There have been a lot of violent protests and uprising in Minneapolis and in other parts of the country due in part to this ICE involved shooting. Trump's threat, occurred after a federal officer shot a man in the leg in Minneapolis Wednesday after being attacked with a shovel and a broom handle. So chaos is pretty, much the name of Minnesota now. And President, Trump is wanting to do something about it by again, threatening to invoke the Insurrection act. To deploy troops there.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, Fred, we'll start with you first. this. See, this seems to be exactly what many on the left want. They, they want violent protests. They don't just simply want people, standing on the sidelines when ICE moves in to capture someone who is wanted, someone who's here in the country illegally, but also wanted for crimes. They're not just standing on the, on the sidelines protesting or yelling or even with a, you know, you know, a bullhorn or something like that. There are people on the left, and I know we're going to explore this a little bit more here. but this seems to be exactly the recipe for whatever they, whatever they think is going to happen on the other end of this. This seems to be what they're after. What we're seeing now in Minneapolis.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. President Trump, in this announcement this morning that he is threatening to use the Insurrection act, says if the corrupt politicians of Minnesota don't obey the law and stop the professional agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the patriots of ICE or only trying to do their job, I will institute the Insurrection act, which many presidents have done before. Now, the last time this Insurrection act was used, by the way, it was brought in in 1807. 1807. It was invoked, in 1992 during the La riots. Some of us remember that. Yeah, the order allows the President to deploy the military to suppress rebellions and enforce federal laws. If invoked, it would grant Trump the authority to federalize the National Guard and deploy active duty forces to restore order. Probably most of us have not seen the kind of disorder that we are seeing, particularly in Minneapolis, not across Minnesota, but in Minneapolis right now. one of our editors, in our news department was just showing me some pictures on social media of what is going on. I cannot repeat what is being written on some of these ICE vehicles by these anarchists. that's what it is. What's going on there? just horrible things. in some cases, there are reports of even breaking into some of these ICE vehicles and, taking out packages that they have in the back. Even perhaps some documents which may have some very sensitive information. You know, when we listen to, Jacob Fry, the mayor of Minneapolis, earlier this week, he painted the picture. He was interviewed on Fox. He paints the picture of ICE being the problem, that ICE is creating this tension in Minneapolis, when in fact ICE is simply trying to remove the bad guys from that population and arrest them and in the end, deport them. Somebody, was telling me there's a poll of Minnesotans in general out there. They are supporting isis. They don't want these bad guys in their communities. By the way, in that incident last night, it wasn't just, an ICE agent trying to take down one individual. In attempting to do that, two other people came out of an apartment building and they all ganged up on this ICE agent. He managed to get away, but in doing so, he shot one of the bad guys in the leg.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, Ray, it's interesting what kind of. And we're gonna. Chris has got some more stuff on this, but, something that Fred said just kind of triggered this point I'm triggered about Minneapolis anyway, but, he mentioned professional protesters. and I'm not sure we'll ever know the extent to which national groups or even foreign groups have been funding these protesters. You have to catch them first and then they have to spill who they're getting paid by. But meanwhile, the actual professional professionals in Minneapolis who are supposed to keep order, that is law enforcement, they're not doing their jobs. Now they may, the police department may want to, but they're being told by those running the city that they are not to help ICE carry out their tasks. Which means there are people running rampant in the streets where ordinarily you'd have the police, you know, isolating, the streets so that the federal agents can do their jobs. Now these people are very close to the ICE agents themselves, which is resulting and will probably continue to result in clashes that could result in people getting shot. It's, it's an abhorrent, behavior. It's abhorrent behavior on the part of those running the city of Minneapolis.
>> Ray Prtichard: Look, if people want to know what lawlessness looks like, just focus your eyes on Minneapolis. I think it goes back several years when we allowed cities. I suppose that's the right way to say it, when we allowed some of these, Democrat controlled cities to become sanctuary cities. What's a sanctuary city? It's a city that said when we decide what we're not going to enforce federal law. Well, you guarantee at that point that the bad actors are going to gather there because they know they can get away with whatever it is they want to do. So you have lawlessness at an official level. And I want to say I think you're 100% right. I have no doubt that the average, or that's not even a good word, but that the typical, the typical Minneapolis police officer is there for good purposes and wants to enforce the law, but they are being withheld from doing their duty. So now you have situations created like we've seen in the last week what happened last night. And I'm afraid, Ed, this is not the end of it. I'm afraid we're going to see more people are going to be shot and maybe others are going to be killed. And it's completely avoidable in if the city government would say we are going to cooperate with the federal government and enforce immigration law in our own city.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, and before I pitch back to you, Chris, I just want to remind our listeners that Minneapolis, in the wake of the George Floyd killing, okay, Minneapolis, was a city that city, and state officials allowed to burn. I mean, we've, we've had folks on the show from the Minneapolis area that have said, listen, there, there are parts of Minneapolis that have never been rebuilt. It blocks and blocks and blocks. They let it burn because they sided with the protesters and basically said, get it out of your system. And they didn't enforce the law. And so Minneapolis, Minnesota always struck me as a, a state that was filled with well behaved people. I don't know why I had that in mind. Maybe Mary Tyler Moore, shows from way back when, but, that state's filling up with radicals and they're doing what radicals do.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.
Ken Martin compared protesters in Minneapolis to Iran over clashes with ICE agents
talking about the situation in Minnesota Democratic, ah, National Committee chair Ken Martin has compared the M US To Iran in social media posts claiming both countries are guilty of, quote, killing protesters. Martin made his first comparison on X, expressing support for both protesters in the US And Iran for rising up against what he called systems that wield violence without accountability. Somebody not happy with Ken Martin's comments is South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, who had this to say on Fox. Clip 4 these people are out in the street because they believe in Trump. He's the first president since 1979 to pick the people over the Ayatila and the leader of the Democratic Democratic Party.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You're sick, pal.
>> Chris Woodward: Where are the Democrats?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, that's a good point, Fred. The sad thing is, with a few exceptions, like John Fetterman, the senator from Pennsylvania, most Democrats are either silent about what's happening, and I'm not just talking about the riots and the, antagonizing, protesters who are coming, you know, to blows with ICE agents. There are Democrats who are silent about that. They're also silent about the U.S. citizens in Minneapolis and in Minnesota and elsewhere that have been murdered and sexually assaulted by some who are here illegally. They're silent about that. But then there is that Part, which is what Chris was just talking about, that portion of the Democratic Party leadership who are giving full throated support to people and egging them on to violent confrontation with the Feds.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, and those Democrats like Congresswoman, Ilhan Omar and Governor Tim Walz and the Mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, they are aided by the media. When I see interviews with Ilhan Omar at ah, CNN or whatever the case may be, she is not challenged.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: With the facts. She is not challenged. The the ICE agents are there under federal law to lawfully arrest and take into custody very bad people who have done very bad things. they have the support of the law. You want to change the law, go to Congress. But the reality is they're just carrying out the law. They are, they are having to work against what we're seeing in Minneapolis is a rebellion by politicians like Ilhan Omar, like Jacob Fry, the mayor. Who are. These are all Democrats, folks. They're all Democrats and they are fighting against these ICE agents. And I want to go back to the media. What disgust me is that they will do stories, the media, the mainstream media will do stories about a protester being injured with the exception maybe of FOX and a few others. You see what these protesters are doing to force the ICE agents to, to take action. You know, so they're dealing there. You're seeing pictures in the mainstream media of an ICE agent pushing back against a protester. But the reason they're having to do that, these protesters are entering federal properties right in Minneapolis. So the, the, the whole story is not being told. Again, with the exception of perhaps Fox and a few others, the whole story is not being told. And I tell you what, you don't like to see the Insurrection act imposed, but if that's what it's going to take to calm things down. As I mentioned, there was one report this morning of this poll that most Minnesotans want the ICE agents there to take the bad guys off the street.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, it's one thing for the Insurrection act to be triggered. I keep using the word triggered. I'm triggered. Okay? For it to be triggered because of protests that have gotten out of hand that exceed the capacity of local or state law enforcement to contain. It's something else entirely when law enforcement is being told not to try to rein in these protests. Now you're having to use federal troops to do and federal agents to do what local law enforcement is m already empowered and authorized to do, by the way.
Fred: Some mainstream media outlets ignored body cam footage about Rebecca Good
Before we, Chris, come back to you, I do want to let people know. Fred, isn't it true that some of these mainstream media outlets, like cnn, Chris, had mentioned the body cam footage that showed that, was it Rebecca Good? What's her.
>> Chris Woodward: Renee Good.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Renee Good. That she actually did hit with her vehicle, the agent.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But before that actually came out, CNN and others were running with the narrative that he didn't need to shoot her. Once this video footage came out. Did they not say anything about this? I, I thought I read where a lot of these, media outlets just ignored the body cam proof.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, they either ignored it or reported in such a fashion that, that was just an opinion. All right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: that, he should not have been there, standing where he was.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, I see.
>> Fred Jackson: The other latest details was, was a, a bit of a medical report on the injuries that that ice, agent suffered from that being hit by that woman's car. So the evidence is out there, but the mainstream media is so far left. They hate Donald Trump so much.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes.
>> Fred Jackson: That everything that they report is colored with their own political biases.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, Chris, before we get to what, you just want to say, please run a commercial for American Family News, because while you're not going to get the truth from cnn, msnbc and the usual suspects, you can find the truth on American Family News. Right.
>> Chris Woodward: Amen. Yes. American Family News is the news division of American Family Association. We do radio news and broadcast print. our website is afn.net and what's cool about afn.net is we have a ton of content there that you might not hear at the top of every hour on American family radio and 100 or so other stations that also air our, newscast. So afn.net, check it out today. When you're there, look on the right side of the page, give us your email address, and once a day we'll send you about 5 or 6 stories to keep you and yours informed. And you'll know what CNN and msn, NBC, or whatever I'm supposed to call it now, Ms. Now, you'll know what they're saying and what's really the truth here.
CNN did a ride along with ICE during the Obama administration
Speaking of cnn, one of the things that Fox and Town hall have, shared for the last, 24 hours or so to prove, Fred's point that basically everybody's just out because they hate Trump. in 2016, during the Obama administration, CNN did a ride along with ICE where they supported operations. As a matter of fact, the reporter says, quote, that's the purpose of ice? To focus on criminals and make the community safer by taking criminals out in 2026. ICE is the Gestapo and Trump's Hitler, basically.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. And this is, you said that this CNN Ride along was in 2016.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes, and I have shared that video on our Today's Issues Facebook page.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And that was that still, who was president when that aired? Was it Truck?
>> Chris Woodward: Obama?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, it was Obama. So it was before the 16th, before the election. Trump wouldn't have been inaugurated. Yes, 2016.
>> Chris Woodward: And that's the difference between AFN and Ms. Now, like we'll air what the other side says, but then we're going to bring in the. Yeah, but that they leave out. That's what makes us different.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Did, we have some. I thought we had, something from Tim Walls Waltz. We do Waltz, because he's, he's been attacked. He's been pouring fuel on the fire maybe to get attention away from his own political woes with the fraud investigations that are going on in his state. What did he have to say? And then we'll get Ray to comment.
>> Chris Woodward: yeah, this is, Tim walls here.
Governor Tim Walls says ICE agents are committing atrocities against Minnesotans
>> Ed Vitagliano: Clip 11 Tonight, I want to share another way you can help witness. Help us, establish a record of exactly what's happening in our communities. You have an absolute right to peacefully film ICE agents as they conduct these activities. So carry your phone with you at all times and if you see these ICE agents in your neighborhood, take out that phone and hit record. Help us create a database of the atrocities against Minnesotans. Not just to establish a record for posterity, but to bank evidence for future prosecution. You know, Ray, this, this man's a bald faced liar. Okay? First of all, he is encouraging people to show up, which we already know that that is going to cause tempers to flare. If you have big crowds, you're going to have one or two knuckleheads who are going to start the violence and then others can join in. But he said that ICE agents are committing atrocities against Minnesotans. Well, ICE is not there for Minnesotans. Okay? They're not there for US Citizens. They are there to get people who aren't supposed to be in the country and then to say they're going to be prosecuted. it was two or three lies in what the governor of Minnesota said. But he also seems to be trying to create a scenario in which the violence continues. You think I'm out of line with that?
>> Ray Prtichard: No, I was. As he was talking, exactly what came into my mind. You know that word Atrocities. This is what you, this is what you do for totalitarian regimes around what's happening in Tehran. Yeah, that's what atrocity looks like. That's government sponsored killing of, of their own citizens.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Ray Prtichard: Okay. That's what an atrocity is. You take that word and apply it to what's happening in Minnesota. It's completely, a completely unsuitable word. But it is so incendiary. it's not as if the government, we want to just get a record. No, we assume in advance, we're telling you in advance that their presence here, their very presence is an atrocity. And take out your phone and videotape them because we're going to use it when we prosecute the evil ICE agents. That is that is truth turned upside down.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I like your word incendiary. And by the way folks, I have no problem with people as long as they keep a safe distance away from law enforcement recording what's happening.
>> Ray Prtichard: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, so if, if people there on the street when it happens. But it sounds to me that govern like Governor Tim Walls was encouraging people to show up knowing good and well that's not going to end well, when the conflicts continue to grow. Alright folks, we're gonna take a short break. When we come back, Dr. Alex McFarland is going to be joining us. We're going to be talking about whether men can have babies and what the Supreme Court is talking about. We'll be right back folks.
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Alex McFarland hosts Exploring the Word on American Family Radio
>> Fred Jackson: To more, of Today's Issues.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And welcome back to Today's Issues. Ed Vitagliano sitting in for Ray Prtichardd. Ray Prtichard. For the remainder of the week today and tomorrow, I'm joined in studio by Fred Jackson and Chris WOODWARD and remotely Dr. Ray Pritchard. And now we want to welcome back to today's issues. Dr. Alex McFarland M, who is co host of Exploring the Word, heard weekdays at 3pm Central Time on American Family Radio. Alex co hosts that show with, Bert Harper, very popular show. And, Alex, welcome back.
>> Alex McFarland: Well, good morning everybody. It's great to be on.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Where are you, at home today or you on the road? You, out preaching and teaching or what are you doing?
>> Alex McFarland: this is one of the rare times I'm at my house, but I spend a lot of time on the road. And, my, life for the last 15 years has been, the search for, an Internet, Jack. Because I take with me, the gear and do the live show. You know, I give God the glory. But Ed, in. Now in our 16th year of exploring the word, I probably haven't missed more than a couple of dozen times, really. And I've even done the show from JFK airport in NewSong York City. And, I bet that was hard.
>> Ed Vitagliano: To find a quiet spot.
>> Alex McFarland: It is. I've done it from DFW a couple of times. And, you know, Bert, is so gracious. And then the guy that produces our show, his name Brent Austin. Because I've been in airports with the radio gear. And what's interesting is like, I'll. I'll see an Internet jack on the wall somewhere, and I plug in the Ethernet cable and I can, you know, run the, Comrex, which is this device. It's basically a computer with a mic jack. And, I can, you know, connect to AFR in Tupelo, and then we go out to stations across America. But, whenever I set up the radio gear in an airport, like dfw, you know, people gather round. Like, I'll get a little. Four or five people will sit down and listen. It's like, we don't know what this guy's doing, but we want to hear it. And So, yeah, it was, it was interesting when I was in JFK airport, a year ago, and I called Bert, I said, hey, I'm. My flight is delayed. And he goes, well, you know, you can do it from the airport. I probably had 22, 23 people, a little congregation, sitting, listening, and, Anyway, but, I'm very blessed to, AFR has been so good to me to, allow me to do exploring the word and. And also accommodate my travel schedule. So,
Have you ever been harassed in an airport while doing a show
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, anyway, I've always wanted to ask you something, and now that you were talking about this, I am reminded. So I'm going to ask you. Have you ever been. When you've been in an airport doing the show and you get your gear out, have you ever been harassed by the man, Alex? I mean, airport officials come up or security ever come up and try to shut you down, or do they let you. Just let you do what you're doing?
>> Alex McFarland: Yeah, I was in DFW Dallas, Fort Worth. And I found this somewhat quiet place in a hallway. So I sat on the floor. I sat, you know, cross leg on the floor, and I. The, pelican case, which is the box I have all this stuff in, and this guy came up and he goes, hey, you can't sit on the floor. I'm like, really? You can't? And I didn't want to be smart and say, no. It was easy. I just. I can sit on the floor. But, yeah, they. They had me pack up and move along. And he. The guy was like, yeah, you're not allowed to sit on the floor. I was like, okay, whatever. But anyway, well, that's.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It should say nothing else at this point.
>> Chris Woodward: which city was this?
>> Alex McFarland: Dallas. Fort Worth. apparently in the DFW airport, they don't like you to sit on the floor.
The Supreme Court is hearing a case involving men playing in women's sports
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, well, you know, Karen's come in all shapes and sizes and all genders. Well, both genders, I should say, which, Let me just segue about genders. The Supreme Court is hearing, a, case involving men playing in women's sports. The men are, quote, unquote, transgender women. And, Chris, why don't you set this up for us? We've got a clip to play. Alex, I don't know if you've heard this. It's going to be hard for you to believe it. We'll come back and get your reaction.
>> Chris Woodward: So, in addition to saying that men should be able to compete against females, despite the physiological differences, clear differences between males and female bodies when it comes to things like athletics, there's also this notion amongst medical professionals, and PhDs, that men can get pregnant, which obviously is very silly. I can't believe we're even talking about this.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Men who identify as women.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes. Thank you very much. So, this. This notion that's been, around for a couple of years now, is still around in 2026. And this week at a hearing, including, OB GYN's, Missouri Senator Josh Hawley asked a lady several times if men can get pregnant. And she.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Who was the lady around?
>> Chris Woodward: The, Nisha Verma or something of that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: She's an ob gyn?
>> Chris Woodward: Yes.
>> Alex McFarland: Yes.
>> Fred Jackson: She's actually a professor at Emory.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, so this is not someone they pulled off the street. This is a person who's teaching young people. Yes. Okay.
>> Chris Woodward: And she's teaching the young people of tomorrow that men can get pregnant. Josh. Holly, like us, thinks that silly. And you'll see from the audio, how he views this. It's a little over a minute's worth of audio. Clip 9.
Do you think that men can get pregnant? You paused there
>> Alex McFarland: Do you think that men can get pregnant?
>> Fred Jackson: I hesitated there because I wasn't sure where the conversation was going or what the goal was.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I mean, I do take care of patients with different identities. I take care of many women.
>> Fred Jackson: I take care of people with different identities. and so that's where I paused. I think, I wasn't sure where.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You were going with that.
>> Alex McFarland: Well, the goal is just the truth. So can men get pregnant?
>> Chris Woodward: Again, the reason I paused there is.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm not really sure what the Is goal.
>> Chris Woodward: Goal of the question.
>> Alex McFarland: The goal is just to establish a biological reality.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You just said a moment ago that.
>> Alex McFarland: Science and evidence should control, not politics. So let's just test that proposition. Can men get pregnant?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I take care of people with many identities, but, can men get pregnant? Many women that can get pregnant? I do take care of people that don't identify as women.
>> Alex McFarland: Can men get pregnant?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Again, as I'm saying, let me just.
>> Alex McFarland: Remind you, you testified to a moment ago, science and evidence should control, not politics. So should. Can men get pregnant?
>> Ed Vitagliano: You're a doctor.
>> Fred Jackson: Science and evidence should guide medicine.
>> Alex McFarland: Do science and evidence tell us that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Men can get pregnant?
>> Alex McFarland: Biological men m. Can they get pregnant?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I also think yes. No questions like this are a political tool.
>> Alex McFarland: No. Yes. No questions are about the truth. Doctor, let's not make a mockery of this proceeding.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Alex, I'm not sure what to say about that, but we have you on the show because we think you can think of something to say about that.
>> Alex McFarland: Well, this is amazing. And let me just applaud Josh Hawley from, you know, senator from Missouri. one of the reasons that I love to, preach and minister in the Midwest is because Midwesterners are. Are Just very forthright and very truthful. And, listen, Josh Hawley is a rock star because he. Eleven times he said, yes or no, can men get pregnant? And Dr. Verma would not, could not answer. You know, it's very telling that she said. I'm not sure what the goal of the question is, because when there's, narrative over truth, there's ideology over reality. You know, you ameliorate your answer based on what you're, your goal. And, you know, expected outcome is. That's not how truth works. Truth is, is yes or no, you know, right or wrong, black or white, objective versus subjective. And let me just say this, folks. transgenderism is demonic. And I'll tell you why. Because it's one thing to have this attitude, you know, God can't tell me what to do or not do. You know, the Bible says repent. The Bible says forsake unrighteousness. You know, it's one thing to have the mindset, you know, God can't tell me how to behave, but, the transgender ideology says God doesn't even have the right to define what I am or who I am. You know, there's xxxy. guys, I spoke at the University of Kentucky Medical School at Louisville a couple of years ago. They had a panel discussion on what is a human being? And I had the great privilege of being on this panel. there were a couple of Christians in the organization, and I was not, as a minister, but, as a philosopher. I was allowed to be on this panel on what is a human being? And the subject of gender identity came up, and I asked 400 medical students, many of whom got very visceral and angry at me, saying that maleness and femaleness is objective. you know, no one really can legitimately identify, quote, unquote, as something other, you know.
Michael Shermer: How at risk is Bruce Jenner for ovarian cancer
So Bruce Jenner was much in the news. This was a couple of years ago. And I asked these medical students, because they said, you know, we should acknowledge someone's preferred gender identity. And I said, so you. When you get your medical degrees, you know, if a male identifies as a female, is it ethical and moral to go along with that delusion? So I asked, I said, how at risk is Caitlyn Jenner for ovarian cancer? And nobody could give me an answer. I said, because, you know, Bruce Jenner is a genetic male. he's identifying as a female, calls himself Caitlyn. I said, so how at risk? Because I would submit that he is at zero risk. For ovarian cancer, because as a genetic male, he doesn't have ovaries. But we're living in a time. And I'll summarize. I'll say this. People want to be their own God, create their own reality. And, that's just blindness from Satan. And it's indicative of how desperately our nation needs a holy Spirit revival.
>> Fred Jackson: Alex, Fred here. I have no doubt this woman is very intelligent. I have no doubt she knows the right answer to Josh Hawley's question. I have no doubt about that. But she is part of an agent right now that is willing to say what she said publicly. And one of the reasons is. And I was listening to, an interview on this on Fox this morning. And the person being interviewed brought this point up. We are at a point where our medical schools are indoctrinating these young people to say these things. And one of the motivations is money. Because, operations done on individuals are worth a whole lot of money. Remember what happened at Vanderbilt? And there was that audio back more than a year ago, and it was in a meeting of doctors, and they talked about, you know, removing the breasts of a young woman who. Who felt or said she was transitioning to a man. Hey, that's worth $40,000 to us.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: Remember that?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right?
>> Alex McFarland: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: It was amazing. It is. It is amazing to think that because of money, intelligent people like this. Who I like this woman, a professor at Emory, they're willing to lie to the. They know they're lying, yet they're willing to say these ridiculous things.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, before you answer that, Alex, let me just say this, just kind of piggyback on what Fred is saying. Absolutely. This is going on in colleges and universities and medical schools, but it's also happening to our young people. I thought this would, This was still the same kind of circumstances. While you were talking, Alex, I pulled up my phone and I started. You can type for these emojis when you add them, your smiley face, you know, crying, whatever. And I typed pregnant. And the three images pop up. two are women, one is a pregnant man, the emoji. And so that young people are. Are doing that and immediately getting that feedback that a man can get pregnant. So, please proceed with your answer, especially with what Fred was suggesting about the money aspect of this kind of propaganda.
>> Alex McFarland: Well, inclusivity has become the religion of the world in recent years. you know, inclusivity, the only thing that's not allowed or included, though, are those of us that believe in objective truth and Let me say, I want to encourage everybody to please pray that our U.S. supreme Court will have the courage and the presence of mind to, you know, rule against transgenderism for sports. because here's the thing, folks, our government, and this is my little soapbox next to preaching the gospel. you know, Ed and those that know me well, it's almost like regardless of the topic, I go toward natural law. and folks, this is part of what makes America unique. I love to preach the gospel, but almost second to the gospel itself. I love to talk about the absolute uniqueness of the U.S. constitution. Where, Jefferson in the Declaration said, we hold these truths to be self evident. Now, whenever you hear the term like self evident truth or objective truth or natural law, what that means is, and this is in Romans 1 and 2, that all humans know truths. We know God exists. We know every human does. Folks, there's no such. And I've interviewed 32 of the world's most, famous atheists like Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Micah Shermer. And it became two books. 10 answers for skeptics, 10 answers for atheists. All atheists, deep down, know that God exists. We know that there's right and wrong. We feel our conscience when we do wrong. Here's my point. Natural law includes the knowledge, we call it the birds and the bees. there are males and there are females. And the philosophy of natural rights, which is the operating system of the US Constitution, Natural law, natural rights, the colonial leaders, Jefferson, Washington, James Madison, George Mason, Peyton Randolph, Patrick Henry, Richard Henry Lee, George Wythe, Richard Bland, all of these that were part of our founders and signers of the Declaration, they would be aghast that we're even having to have this conversation. Can men get pregnant? And so, guys, I'll tell you what's going on here. Satan wants individuals to believe that they can create their own reality. You know, we're born either male or female, you know, X, Y, xx. but we think, oh, I'll identify as this or that, I'll create my own reality. And, and I mean, the fact that there's an emoji of a pregnant man shows just how far, down the river we have gone. And, I will tell you, there's two issues that should inform how you vote. Number one, where does a candidate stand on the issue of abortion and the sanctity of human life? But the other, and I've asked many elected officials, and you know, most don't even know what natural law Is. But natural law is the philosophical foundation of the U.S. constitution. That's why, like ah, Ketanji Brown, has no business on the U.S. supreme Court because you know, any justice or any jurist who doesn't understand or acknowledge natural law, they're not competent to sit on the judiciary, because they can't. You can't thoroughly adjudicate from a constitutional basis if you don't even know the worldview on which our Constitution Bill of Rights declaration preamble was framed.
Alex: It's possible to have a seared conscience
>> Ed Vitagliano: Ray.
>> Ray Prtichard: Alex, just a moment ago you mentioned the issue of the conscience in that sort of rang a bell in my head. I remember watching a video of Billy Graham preaching to some great crowd about the conscience. And he got to a portion of his message and he said it's possible to have a seared conscience. And he said that happens when you deny the truth and deny the truth and deny the truth over and over again. Finally, you can't even recognize truth from error. It's just your conscience has become seared to the truth. Only the Holy Spirit can break through at that point. And I wonder, and I just want to get your comment on this. I wonder if these people, like the doctor that Senator Hawley was interviewing, she knows the truth. People know the truth on this issue. But if you consistently, repeatedly lie and lie and lie and deceive and cover up and obfuscate and change the subject and refuse to speak the truth, I wonder if the end of all of this demonic madness that's going on, we're going to have a generation of people, probably already do have a generation of people with a seared conscience. Because I think that's what happens when you continue to deny what you know to be the truth.
>> Alex McFarland: Exactly. Hey, fascinating. You mentioned Billy Graham. Okay. He was preaching on First Timothy 4:2. First Timothy 4:2, says people speak lies in hypocrisy. Having their conscience seared with a hot iron. It's like spiritual scar tissue. Now it's fascinating guys. Listen to this folks. In the Greek, the word that is translated in English, seared, S E A R E D is in Greek the word cauterized literally is that word. And, and when something is cauterized, like it's a part of our skin that's burned or seared, like you, you accidentally burn yourself or something. and cauterization, it's a medical technique as well where you know, with heat they conceal a blood vessel, but the tissue is no longer capable of feeling, you know. And when our flesh is burned or cauterized, it's seared. Well, this really should put the fear of God in people, our conscience, that moral compass, our ability to tell between right and wrong. And it's really our conviction that should draw us to Jesus because we need to be saved. When your conscience can no longer even feel conviction, you're at the point of no return. And that's why I would call on every minister and every Christian. We need to pray for the Holy Spirit of God to sweep across our country and convict us, open our eyes and bring revival.
Alex Verma: People harden their own heart against God
>> Ed Vitagliano: So, Alex, last question. We'll let you go because I like this conversation we're having here.
>> Alex McFarland: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: so this, the act of searing the conscience, is that done by, You may not have an answer to this. It may be more than one thing, but is that done by the person as they, as Ray mentioned, just continually refuse to accept the truth that they. Something that they know to be true? or does God apply the instrument of cauterizing, or is it a combination?
>> Alex McFarland: Well, I, I think people harden their own heart against God. See, Jeremiah 17, verse 9 says the heart is deceitful and wicked. who can know it? And, and what that really means is that we don't even comprehend our incapacity for sin, you know? and that's why, folks, the time to turn to Jesus and the time to repent, to come to Christ or to come back to Christ, is the moment you feel the need. Because, Jesus said no one can come unless the Holy Spirit calls him. Now, if you're feeling conviction of sin or the need for Jesus, it's not the world, the flesh or the devil. So if you're even thinking about your relationship with God, that's the Holy Spirit. And it's like this. Let's say somebody rings your doorbell or knocks on your door, and they knock and they knock, but nobody ever opens the door. Eventually they'll walk away. That's how the Lord is. I mean, if God calls and calls and calls and an individual, not only doesn't open their heart to Christ, but in fact open. Shuts their heart harder against Christ, you know, God is a gentleman. He'll. He won't bother you any further, you know, and so, when someone's heart is hardened and they reach. It's a theological term, reprobation. And, and I will virtually guarantee probably nobody has ever heard a preacher preach on, reprobation. But a reprobate mind, which is probably where this Dr. Verma is I believe, and I'm just going to say it. People like Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, in other words, Democrats, they have so long lived in the world of falsehood and rejection of truth and, you know, they can be bought by the highest bidder that, they can't even hear the voice of God anymore. And I'm saying this as a minister and I've preached in a lot of places, talked to a lot of people. there are people, and one day they are savable, and the next day they're not. Because. And the frightening thing is they don't even realize it, but they have said no to the voice of the Holy Spirit for the last time. And God is a gentleman and he doesn't bother them any further.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Alex, I know this is a tough spot to put you in. We're coming up to a hard break. 30 seconds. Let's say someone is listening to this and they go, oh, I don't want to get to that place. What should they do?
>> Alex McFarland: Well, the good news. Thank you, Ed. Jesus is as close by as a prayer. And the Bible says in Romans 10:13 that whoever calls on the name of the Lord, will be saved. And if you're under conviction and you're thinking about your soul, Jesus loves you and he will forgive you. Turn to Christ. there's a number burden I give out. 1-800- need him, but turn to Jesus and he will save you.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Amen. Alex, thank you so much for being on with us, today. And, we hope your next trip to DFW goes better than the one you're talking about. God bless you, brother. Thank you, Alex.
>> Alex McFarland: Bless you all. Thanks.
All right, folks, we are going to take a five minute break for news
>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, folks, we are going to take a five minute break for news. That's right. We got more news coming your way, Ed. VITAGLIANO, Fred Jackson, Dr. Ray Pritchard, Chris Woodward, thank you for being on with us this hour. Thank you, Doctor. Dr. Steve. Steve Paisley Jordal will be joining us. You're listening to American Family Radio and Today's issues. We'll be right back.
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